Federer Faces Russian Challenge in Andreev Today at US Open
by Sean Randall | September 2nd, 2008, 1:26 pm
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Roger Federer hasn’t won four matches at a hardcourt tournament since the Australian Open. With three wins under his belt, Federer tries for No. 4 today at the US Open against the heavy-hitting Igor Andreev.

Radek Stepanek was the guy most people circled as the danger man for Fed in his section, but it may very well turn out to be Andreev, who like Fed has not dropped a set in reaching this stage.

Federer did play well, really raising his game against Stepanek, but Andreev is a totally different player than Mr. Vaidisova. Igor is going to pound and pound and pound his groundstrokes, especially his forehand, and make the rallies long and longer. And as we saw against Fed’s earlier opponents, baseliners Maximo Gonzalez and Thiago Alves, the Swiss has been error-prone off the ground.

Federer and Andreev played just once before with Federer winning in the 2004 Gstaad final in four sets, so it’s a bit of a new meeting.

Getting back to the overall trend, though, remember, Robby Ginepri had Fed on the ropes, and Gilles Simon closed the deal earlier this summer. Andreev I put ahead of both of them in terms of ability off the ground. That bodes very well for the Russian.

So can the upset happen today? I think it very well could. A lot of numbers and trend points to Igor heat. Faster court, heat maybe help Roger, but more importantly, Andreev, has not fared well against Top 10 players (5-15 mark plus seven straight losses) so I’ll still give Federer a very, very slight edge in this one.

Novak Djokovic, who looked creaky in his win over Marin Cilic the other night, should up his game today against Tommy Robredo and reach his seventh career Slam quarterfinal. If he doesn’t play better he’ll be gone either today or Thursday night when Roddick will get him. Novak’s clearly feeling the pressure of those points from last year.

Big, powerful match tonight with Andy Roddick and Fernando Gonzalez getting it on. Roddick has beaten Gonzo seven of 10 times, but the two have only played once since Gonzo’s 2007 Australian Open run that coming at Shangai last year in which Andy breezed.

Tonight will be much tougher for Andy. Despite a bum ankle, Gonzalez is playing good tennis. The key, though, will be just how well the Chilean handles the atmosphere of the playing in the cavernous Arthur Ashe stadium in a marquee night match against the home favorite Roddick. Because it’s under the lights, I think Roddick again comes up with the big shots at the big moments to survive.

And I like Nikolay Dayvdenko to roll over Gilles Muller. The Russian has quietly cruised through three matches without the loss of a set, and comes Saturday he could still be in the tournament.

On the women’s side, the quarterfinals are underway and Elena Dementieva is already into the final four after an easy win over Patty Schnyder. Tonight we get Jelena Jankovic and Sybille Bammer, while tomorrow features Dinara Safin v. Flavia Pennetta and then the big one Wednesday night with Venus v. Serena.


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131 Comments for Federer Faces Russian Challenge in Andreev Today at US Open

jane Says:

Djokovic may be gone today, and if not, the way he’s playing, I’d be kind of surprised if he gets by Roddick, who I expect to get by Gonza no problem. I do think Cilic was an awfully tough contender, but Djoko is looking shaky against Robredo. Is there some kind of injury? The announcers are talking about one – ankle? Anyhow, he won’t get by with this injury, casual play, and negative body language against Andy, who is confident, eager and will have the crowd behind him here. At this point, I have to say I expect a Roddick vs. Fed semi-final.


Sean Randall Says:

Jane, seems to be a hip/thigh thing happening today for Novak, though he has recovered to win the second set.


jane Says:

Sean, thanks for the injury update. Even if Djoko’s taken the 2nd set, he looks pretty questionable.

I’m surprised you think Andreev will challenge Fed. I can’t see it. Mind you I didn’t see any of Andreev’s matches here, but Fed looked much better in that Step match.


Latent Talent Says:

I agree with your take Sean! Federer’s tougher challenges will be today and if he gets by, against Davydenko. If Federer does not drop a set to either of those guys he will get to the finals against Roddick/chockovic without much problem.


S Green Says:

J,
I replied to you on the other thread.


jane Says:

S,

Hi – yes I saw that and replied to you there as well. I am happy to see Djoko is at least hanging in there and trying his best to pull out the W. He’s just gone up two sets which is a good sign. Now he just needs to continue in this vein in the next set so it doesn’t go 5.

Don’t know if you read Matt Cronin’s analyses at the USO website, but he predicted that Robredo would take a set today, and he also thought that Cilic vs. Djokovic would go 5 sets. I like his takes on matches and he’s usually darn close in his picks.

Anyhow, keep your fingers crossed. Even if Novak loses to Roddick next round – no shame in that. Andy has been in the top ten for, like, ever!


S Green Says:

J,
With a set up and a break up in the 4th set now, he may survive today, but, like you said, he may not get past Roddick/Gonzu, if he does not recover overnight.
About the crowd, it’s better for him if the crowd is against him from the beginning. If the crowd is oneutral or on his side at the beginning, and then if it goes against him in the middle or at the end, that could be mentally devastating.
But first, he has to recover by day-after-tomorrow noon. Also, it partly depends on how long Roddick-Gonzu match goes tonight.


jane Says:

S,

Yes, maybe with some physio and rest Djoko willll be fresher in the quarters. He played until 1:00 am Monday morning and is playing first today, so that is a quick turn-around considering his competitive match with Cilic. But they all have those quick turn arounds at this point in the tournament because of the night matches. I guess all the top guys get a night match at some point. Djoko will want to close this out in 4 sets though. He has to keep holding.


Sean Randall Says:

S, recover? Novak needs to step his game up. Looks like that hip injury isn’t an issue.

Latent, if Fed waxes both Igor and Nikolay then too good. He might very well win this title.


jane Says:

S,

Novak just got broken back. That is the thing I’ve struggled with watching his last two matches. He does all that work to get a break and then gets broken right back. I know it happens, but I wish he could close out better. Robredo’s coming back strong here.


NachoF Says:

Another horrible display of bad attitude from Djokovic… seriously, I dont get how this guy has fans at all.


Mary Says:

Wow, Djokovic is just hanging in there. Good for him. It’s the first humid day in NYC in quite some time.
Looks like I’ve been missing a decent match.

“Mr. Vaidisova”
The Cheek! How dare you suggest Stepanek is anything less than all male.


S Green Says:

NachoF,

“Another horrible display of bad attitude from Djokovic”?

Can you point out the instance you are talking about?

And what’s this? “seriously, I dont get how this guy has fans at all.”
What if I say the same thing about Federer and his fans? How would you feel? Good?


andrea Says:

c’mon robredo – force the fifth set! any bets on a medical time out in between set 4 and 5 by you know who?


jane Says:

Doh Djoko! I guess this is not your tournament. Well hang in there and finish it out. I’ll be cheering you on.


andrea Says:

did i call it or did i call it?

fifth set and medical time out!

novak – you’re so predictable….


NachoF Says:

S Green Says:

NachoF,

“Another horrible display of bad attitude from Djokovic”?

Can you point out the instance you are talking about?

Are you kidding me?? you are seriously gonna pretend you haven’t noticed anything particularly bad about his attitude??… Im not gonna fall into that… it has been very obvious throughout the match… on several points you can even hear the crowd furiously booing at Djokovic because of his attitude…. if you really feel Roger has the same deplorable attitude as Djokovic then thats your opinion (but you are horribly wrong)


S Green Says:

Explain “attitude.” You are really pissing me off.


NachoF Says:

S Green Says:

Explain “attitude.” You are really pissing me off.

The kind of behavior he was displaying right before he got booed???


jane Says:

S,

Djoko’s chances of winning this now are so-so I think; Robredo has a newfound wind and Novak looks spent. I hate to say it, but what do you think?

NachoF,

It’s true Novak has had some negative body language today, but all the players are different I guess. I admit it does make me frustrated when he gets like that – Safin does it and Murray used to do it. It’s not good for the players. But I still like Novak’s tennis a lot and I assume a lot of people like his game; in fact I like all those guys I just mentioned.

I am guessing S didn’t want to read your comment right now.

It’s rough when you like a player who is losing and you have to read a lot of negative things. You probably know what I mean as a Fed fan; lately a lot of negative stuff has been written about him too. Anyhow…


blah Says:

Right now looks like even if Djoko makes it pass Robredo he’ll get knocked to the ground by Roddick’s serves
(even if he gets Gonzo I still see him losing)

Which should set up for the match of the tournament, Roddick v.s. Federer.


S Green Says:

NachoF,
What did he do? Did he say anything to anyone? Has he violated any ITF rules?

In my eyes, he’s had cramp in his upper thigh and cannot bend. Later, he twisted his ankle. Obviously, he’s had the effect of Cilic match that went for 4 hours till 1:00 am in the morning. He’s not feeling well. His body language is expressing the pain.
You may have heard scattering boos, and I hear resounding applause. And cheers and boos have nothing to do with his illness. Crowd support depends on a lot of factors such as home crowd (like for Murray against Rafa at Wimby, or for Fish/Roddick here) or if the player is under dog and playing well, etc.

I noticed an instance of generosity from Djokovic: he gave away a point to Robredo even when the umpire called it out.

ANSWER THIS: First define what attitude is and then provide me examples (not just one isolated) that can be labeled “horrible display of bad attitude.”


jane Says:

blah,

“Which should set up for the match of the tournament, Roddick v.s. Federer.”

If this happens, who do you pick??


Ra Says:

Wow, this is definitely not what I had expected to see (even considering Novak’s form hasn’t been at its tightest thus far). It’s tough to imagine him not ultimately pulling through (especially at this point), but Djokovic looks like hell today. I’m watching a lo-res feed online, but at one point I saw a good view of his eyes, and he did not look right. Whatever he’s going through, if it isn’t resolved in the next 36 hours or so, his week isn’t gonna get any easier.

Von,

thanks for the welcoming words on the other thread. I hope you are enjoying the tournament as always. Today bodes well for your man’s run.


S Green Says:

Djoko pulls it off, despite playing 50%.
That’s what a champion looks like. He’s looking forward to bagel Federer in the semi.


jane Says:

Well I am happy he fought through, but I definitely don’t like his chances against Roddick now. Funny Novak- even he doesn’t like his chances, but I am sure he’ll try his best! Well good heart today Nole!

And kudos to Robredo for playing a great tournament.

Guess Fed’s on now.


blah Says:

Jane,

It’s still too hard to pick right now. Federer hasn’t faced anyone who could really challenge him yet so it’s hard to tell whether he’s back. Gonzo is nothing to sneeze at, Roddick can’t be looking ahead. If I have to pick right now I would say Roddick in 5 sets. And if Roddick wins that, I don’t see anybody stopping him from winning the final. It would be the ultimate redemption.

If that match happens, I am confident the winner would go on to win the slam. I don’t see Nadal with enough fuel left and I don’t think Murray or Del Potro is ready.


Sean Randall Says:

S, did you hear his postmatch with Barkan, he announced that no matter who he plays next (either Roddick or Gonzo) that they will be fitter than him? There’s your attitude.

Novak needs to stop doing post-match on court interview and just stick to the imitations.


Latent Talent Says:

“Looks like that hip injury isn’t an issue”

We have seen this with choker boy, haven’t we. As soon as things start going wrong, out come the trainers and time-outs. He is a real drama queen.

Unless the trainers have performed the greatest miracle since Moses split the Red sea, I dont know how players like Jankovic and Jerkovich do this drama so frequently. He did similar bull crap at the Aus open, inspite of winning all the matches in straights. Finally he took that well-earned medical time-out in the final against Tsonga.

It is a joke that his fans will point out the 1 medical time-out a year that Nadal takes or 1medical time out Federer took as a junior or some other such trivial stat. I hope some other classy youngster like gulbis or cilic displaces this classless brute soon. Hell, even Hewitt is a better trade than jerkovich! They should put this guy’s picture in the entry for cheating. Cannot expect more from a kid who has been raised by boorish parents like his. Very sad state of affairs!


NachoF Says:

S Green,

You can be very sure Im not gonna fall into this childish argument….You can say the sky is green and want people to prove otherwise but Im not gonna be one of them…. if you feel good by being in denial be my guest…. carry on

————————————————-

Anyway, awesome tennis from Robredo today!.. wow, I didnt know this guy was so fit! he looked like he could have gone for 10 sets easily!


Ra Says:

S,

I fully agree that winning at far from his best is a champion quality; but based on his performance thus far, I don’t think he’d be very likely to bagel anyone left in the draw.

Hello, everyone.


Sean Randall Says:

Novak will also likely have more than 48 hours to recover for a night match, so he shouldn’t have excuses. Upset stomach? Ankle? Should both be fine by then, plus he should get an emotional lift from the Robredo win which showed me he can gut one out. But again to remark afterward that he won’t be at his best come Thursday is something he shouldn’t say.


Sean Randall Says:

And remember, the winner of this tournament will have to win matches on back-to-back days. If Novak is spent now, as he announced to the crowd, how the hell is he going to win on Saturday and then Sunday?


blah Says:

Djokovic was definitely trying to get some time to rest, one can especially see that from him going for the wrist band, as Courier pointed out. But he did roll his ankle during an exchange and as someone who has done that a lot of times, it’s not fun (hurts like hell) at all. I think he had a legitimate excuse to call the trainers this time.

It won’t matter if he runs into Roddick anyhow. He’ll get run out in straight sets if he’s still in this condition.

Come to think of it, I am pretty confident with picking Roddick to win now. It sets up perfectly for him. He fought off Gulbis, gets to play a huge Gonzo forehand, can “upset” the #3 in the world and has a chance to defeat his greatest enemy en route to the final right at his venue of choice.


S Green Says:

Sean,
That’s a fact: They will be fitter if Roddick-Gonzo match is over in 3 sets, even 4. Yes, if their match goes into a 5th setter and past 1:00 am, then Djoko will be on their level, fitness wise.


jane Says:

Sean,

“to remark afterward that he won’t be at his best come Thursday is something he shouldn’t say.”

I agree that Novak could use better PR skills; he can be too candid in his interviews and the press know it and bait him. He needs someone to help him in that regard.

But I am happy he gutted it out regardless of the time out or whatever.

As I said, I don’t seeing him getting beyond the quarters, unless by some miracle Gonza were to win.

I just think the guy is human – he makes mistakes, he dramatic, and all that. But I love him anyhow. It’s tough to explain why we like players sometimes, but to me Djokovic is a fun and frustrating player to watch, much like Safin was, much like Murray can be.

People will trash em, but whatever. I loved Johnny Mac, even when he was getting booed. I’ll stick by Novak.


Ra Says:

Sean,

I agree that this is a dangerous match for Federer. How quickly he finds form (which he hopefully will) could be a big factor. If he sinks his teeth into it early, though, it could just as easily be a quick 3…


Von Says:

Ra:

“Von, thanks for the welcoming words on the other thread. I hope you are enjoying the tournament as always. Today bodes well for your man’s run.”

You’re very welcome. I missed your eloquent input. I’m enjoying those matches time permits me to watch. I’m burnt out from working too much on a case and up late at nights trying to catch up on each day’s taped matches and extra work. At this point you can say I’m tennis saturated. I’m hoping for the best for Andy tonight. Good luck to your guy with his upcoming match, which is in about 5 minutes. Enjoy. :P


jane Says:

blah,

I agree on your take; I think if Roddick beats Fed in the semis, he gets the trophy. For once he wouldn’t have to face Fed in a slam final, and that’d be a great hurdle for Andy in itself. I’d be super happy for Roddick to win another slam – shut some of his critics down, as you say “ultimate redemption.”


jane Says:

Hi Ra -

You’re back – long time no talk. I like Roger’s chances against Andreev, although Igor is a grinder, which could wear Fed down.


S Green Says:

Sean,
I agree with you that if every thing works out for Djoko and he gets to the semi and is stretched to another 5 setter, he’s done. He won’t do well in the final. The biggest challenge for him right now is how to get ready for Thursday. I don’t expect him to win the Championship. It will be good enough for me if he gets to play against Federer in the semi.


S Green Says:

You know what’s attitude? Fed is broken in the opening game and he goes to argue with the umpire. That’s a loser’s attitude right there.


NachoF Says:

S Green Says:

“You know what’s attitude? Fed is broken in the opening game and he goes to argue with the umpire. That’s a loser’s attitude right there.”

You are hilarious.


blah Says:

I think it would actually be good for Roger if he’s seriously challenged before the semis and survives. I don’t think Andreev or even Davydenko is a really on Andy’s current level and it would probably be better for Federer to really have to play through a match before he runs into Roddick (if he does)


S Green Says:

Ra,
That was an outburst of my anger. I take back my words and apologize for hurting reasonable people’s sensitivity (I include you in that category; there are not many here, though).


Ra Says:

Alright, I’ll bite.

Personally, I think Novak has come a long way in terms of attitude. He still has his off days, but, all in all, I feel that his maturity level is on the up and up. That’s definitely commendable.

Federer has his share of attitude issues along the way, too. Seriously, though, if Federer is a “loser”, there haven’t been all that many winners in the history of humankind.


Ra Says:

Hi jane, hi S. Always good to see you here.

S,

don’t sweat it. I’m sure we all have our outbursts in some way or another. I (for one) am thankful that mine aren’t out on Arthur Ashe for all to witness and criticize.


jane Says:

Ra,

Glad the voice of reason is back!

I agree with you that Novak has come a long way since 2006 in terms of attitude and whatnot. He is still candid, and personally that’s something I like about him. But there are times he could reel it in a little and know when to hold back.

And as blah correctly points out, he had a legitimate time out call today with the ankle roll.

But people label players and stick with it, without watching them evolve. Personally I disliked Fed more when he didn’t show any emotion. Now that he’s losing occasionally and gets feisty out there, I like it better.

He hasn’t found his form so far, but it’s still early.


Colin Says:

Federer serving to stay in first set! That sounds strange, doesn’t it?


jane Says:

Roger’s holding easily after the first break, but hasn’t been able to break back. He’s a little impatient to get the points over with perhaps?


Ra Says:

Fed needs to learn Andreev’s serve.


Ra Says:

Smart, smart play from Federer to take advantage of Andreev’s nerves on that breakpoint.


jane Says:

I think Andreev broke himself there actually, while Fed stayed steady. But that’s all it takes.


Sean Randall Says:

Yup. Igor had 30-0 serving for the set, went for a bad drop shot and never won another point in that service game. Maybe he gets it back together, but GAG!


Ra Says:

Somebody just caught fire out there…


Ra Says:

And his name is Gilles Muller. Ha.


Ra Says:

Yeah, don’t get me wrong. Andreev blew that for himself, but on the actual breakpoint, it looked to me like Fed totally baited him into that long.


Latent Talent Says:

Colin:

You haven’t been watching tennis, this year? That is par for the course.

Jane:

Can you provide instances when Safin/murray took medical time-outs when their opponent was giving them a tough time? What jerkbich does borders on cheating. What is the count this year? How many matches as he taken a medical time-out, often when his opponent has won the 1st set? You have to be really fanatical not to see this trend and push it as just frankness!


Piet Says:

Just watching the Fed-Andreev match. I think this could be the end of Fed at this Open…

24 unforced errors… at the beginning of the 2nd set! 3 loose points that gave away the first. Is this the same Fed as before, or did aliens do a swap this year?


jane Says:

Latent Talent,

I was talking about Safin and Murray getting mentally down on themselves. I wasn’t talking about the medical time outs.

I think Novak has had a few of those this year but I am not keeping track.

Look, I know you’re a tennis fan but I also know you have a hate on for Novak whereas I like him. So we’re not going to change each other’s minds.

I am not fanatical, though; I admit to Novak’s faults: getting too negative at times, being dramatic, serving inconsistently at times. But he’s a character and shows his emotions; I like that. He is a superb shot-maker; I like that too. I find his game, when it’s at its best, very exciting to watch – his matches with Rafa, even though he’s lost many of them, have been stellar and very well fought.

Anyhow, I am not gonna convince you so fair enough; can we agree to disagree?


Colin Says:

Latent – yeah, I know. I was sort of thinking in terms of US Opens. The BBC radio commentator just said that there will be people in the crowd who don’t follow tennis closely, and who’ll have come here expecting to see this superhuman guy Federer, and they must be in shock.
I do think that many of the people who have been seriously saying Fed will win the tournament, are in denial. Maybe he will win it, but that would be a surprise.


jane Says:

Fed’s making too many errors right now – he’d better be careful as Andreev seems pretty collected, though he does tend to overhit. Roger needs to get this set.


Sean Randall Says:

To add on Novak, what’s the big deal with playing a five setter. Why is so difficult for HIM to recover, when many players have played five setters and won their very next match.


Debra Gardner Says:

Congrats to Joko. To have two almost back to back nearly four-hour matches and to win them both get my admiration at any rate. I don’t think he should have given away his physical fitness possibilities, but it could be that when you’re that tire, you’re likely to say anything and he didn’t say anything about his _mental_ fitness. Congrags to Tommy as well. I’d love to see Joko make it to the final again, but he’ll have to go through a lot of people to get there. Since I like several of the people he’ll have to go through it’ll be interesting to see what happens. There is also Rafa-who must be working on being the iron man- to contend with as well. For me, it’s been pretty exciting!


Mary Says:

“Fed’s making too many errors right now ”
The theme of his 2008 season. I really want him to end his season, like now.
If Fed or an American do not make it into the final, CBS and USTA will cry.


jane Says:

Sean,

As you know Djoko has issues – not with fitness or training imo – but with breathing. He had his septum operated on but I’ve read that he has an underdeveloped thorax (through a link Sar provided here a while back) and others, including Luke Jensen at the AO, have speculated whether it’s asthma that Djoko suffers from as it seems to be exacerbated by heat, humidity and stress.
So that might be one reason why it’s tough for him to recover.

Plus Djoko has stated in interviews that he has a weakish immune system and tends to get sick more easily than others. That might be another reason.

I don’t think it’s necessarily more difficult for him to recover from a 5 setter than all players, but maybe some are just tougher than others. Isn’t that the way it is with people? Some are more prone to injuries, some to illness, some are survivors. That’s life.

I know you don’t particularly care for Novak either, as you’ve admitted recently, but why fan the flames?


NachoF Says:

This is just TERRIBLE…. so many forehand errors!


jane Says:

I think it’s a timing thing with Roger’s forehand, but he held anyhow.


Von Says:

Ra:

“..don’t sweat it. I’m sure we all have our outbursts in some way or another. I (for one) am thankful that mine aren’t out on Arthur Ashe for all to witness and criticize.”

Then I’ll have to send you out on the porch to give yourself a good spanking. :) We talked about this before a couple of months ago.


Sean Randall Says:

Novak only invites the flames when he tells the crowd that he won’t be fit for the Thursday night match. You just won a four hour match, you got 48 hours off, what’s the big deal? If anything he should be saying that his improved fitness got him through.

Andreev needs to get this done now. If Fed wins the second set tiebreak I think he’ll win it. Again, Andreev doesn’t do well against the top players and there’s a good chance he’ll flinch again.


jane Says:

Sean, did he say “I won’t be fit” or did he make a joke and say whoever he’s playing will be fitter than him? I thought it was the latter. Was it not a bit of self-deprecation? A joke based on his struggles? That’s how I interpreted it anyhow.


Sean Randall Says:

Well, Igor didn’t flinch, Fed just played a better tiebreak (expect that horrible volley!).

With Muller through imagine the opportunity the winner has in this one.

Jane, I didn’t think Novak was joking there. He said the other guy will be the fitter than him on Thursday.


jane Says:

Can’t believe Muller! Another marathon.


sam Says:

whats wrong with fed……??????


Ra Says:

Wow. It sure was nice of that net-chord to close that out for Federer since he didn’t seem up to doing it himself despite the opportunities he created…

Von,

ha! Yes, I remember that well. I may or may not comply; I’ve never been one to spank and tell.


jane Says:

Sean,

You’re nit-picking I think; you’ve complained in the past how Novak doesn’t gut out tough matches and 5 setters when the odds are against him, like they were today, and now he does it and you’re picking on what he said after the match.

Well I taped it and when Novak said he he totally laughed after; maybe there was some honesty there, but Novak will come out into the quarters and try. Don’t slag him too much okay? A few of us like him! :-)


jane Says:

Ra,

“I’ve never been one to spank and tell.” You’re a class act that’s for sure!


jane Says:

And let me clarify: when I say the odds are against him, I don’t mean Tommy was a tough opponent. However, he did struggle late the other night and came out first thing today. He lost the first set. His hip/thigh was injured. He rolled his ankle the first round. And it was hot and humid, not the best conditions for him. So once he lost that first set I’d think a poll would’ve picked him to lose, no? That’s what I mean.

He should’ve could’ve would’ve done better. But players struggle sometimes; look at Roger today.

But the champs find a way through to the next round, and even if they lose here and there early, it only shows us they are human. Personally, I like the human Roger better than the superhuman one.


S Green Says:

Sean,
Why don’t you play against Cilic for four hours till 1:00 am in the morning, do interview, ride to you motel, take shower, eat dinner, chat with the family and team for some time, go to bed around 4 or 5 am, sleep all day, wake up to see your doctor, come back to the court next day, and play another 4 hrs, and let’s see how many points you win against Djoko? This is a high-school-dropped-out level of reasoning for the same.


jane Says:

3rd set – Roger’s found his form. At the net.


Sean Randall Says:

S Green, cry me a river. That’s part of what bugs me about Novak, because he brings those things up when he really doesn’t need to. Roddick did the same schedule after Gulbis, then playing Seppi. How much did he bring up the late night schedule or his soreness the next day?

It’s just too much drama with Novak. And judging by the NY crowd obviously it’s not just me he rubs the wrong way.


jane Says:

Sean,

That’s your personal preference; as you say he “rubs [you] the wrong way.” There was nothing “wrong” with what Novak said in his post-match interview. Who cares if the crowd love him or not; it’s not a popularity contest. It’s a tennis match. The crowd has hated Johnny Mac, they’ve booed Safin’s implosions and Roddick’s outbursts. So what? The crowd has also loved ALL of these guys at other times, including Djoko.

They are all different human beings and players; to me, that’s good. Be kinda boring if they all acted the same and said the same things. Be kinda boring if there was no drama. It’s those tense situations when things get exciting.

Different strokes, different folks.


jane Says:

Can we just be nice here for a minute (gag I know) – we are seeing all these guys struggle, the ones who were at the Olympics in particular. How many of them are left in the draw?

Blake, Nalbandian, Monfils, Davydenko (was he there?), and Wawrinka, Ginepri, and Melzer, off the top, are all out. Murray doesn’t count because he left China so early. But Rafa, Roger and Novak have all struggled here; let’s give them a little credit for fighting and staying in it, trying their darndest.


jane Says:

Fed’s been good at net, but the baseline still needs work. The serve continues to bail him out of tough spots.


jane Says:

Credit also to Andreev for staying in and playing hard, just like Robredo. Two guys we think of as clay-courters have showed us they can play elsewhere too.


jane Says:

Well kudos to Roger for hanging in and getting the win.

Where’s Mary? Like that “Still the One!” song?


YY Says:

That game at 4-2 was like dejavu! Nadal was struggling to hold serve at that same point against Querry in the 4th set before going to win 6-3! So many missed chances by Andreev!!!!

Anyway putting things in perspective, after watching Djok’s and Fed’s 4th round matches, you’d think that Nadal had an “easier” 4th round in comparison.


Mary Says:

“Where’s Mary? Like that “Still the One!” song?”
Jane, Yes! I think it’s so funny TPTB are sending that message out. “Dear God, Let it be an American and/or Federer in the finals!”

It was nice to see both players hang in there.

Courier just said, “His feet is off” according to my closed caption(I don’t like to hear their voices). What proud school produced him?


YY Says:

At the rate the matches are playing out a Fish/Roddick final may be possible! Nonetheless, I’d say Federer will now have the easiest route to the semi finals.


Mary Says:

Robredo gave Nole the smackdown in his press conference.
Courier is saying(why I turned the volume up I don’t know) about Robredo having a case. About what Nole calling the trainer out during the match?


jane Says:

Yeah I guess; actually Courier “yes and no” and he said everything Djoko did was within the rules. He had a hip injury first set and then rolled his ankle near the end of the second. And he suffered through his usual breathing problems in the heat and humidity. Notice he doesn’t often have those issues at night matches. But Djoko played within the bounds. Piss Tommy off though I guess – too bad.

Controversy galore; I think Djoko courts it a little too closely!


Ra Says:

Is it true that Murray will be the new number 4 with Davydenko going out today? I haven’t looked, but I heard a rumor.


NachoF Says:

Phew! That was close…. Federer is just not playing great tennis…. at least Djokovic was tired, but Federer has no excuse, hes missing like its nobody’s business.


Ra Says:

Hmmm… after a quick glance at the rankings, it seems very possible. That’s solid. Congratulations to him.


S Green Says:

Mary,
It is neither Robredo nor Courier decides whether a player can get a medical timeout or not. Following ITF rules, the umpire uses his discretion to determine whether the request is legitimate or not. The trainer / medical team can come to the side of the court upon the chair umpire’s approval. And the umpire decided it was legitimate. End of the story.

Robredo should have lost the match in straight sets. Luckily he broke once in the 1st set and won that set. That changed the equation. That Robredo’s whining about the loss because Djoko took medical timeout sounds unconvincing, as if he had been on roll/ rhythm or something. If it had been medical condition, he would have won at least once in their previous 4 meetings, in which Djoko never took timeout. On top of that, Djoko took timeout when he was still ahead in the match, not behind, and you could see the pain in his body language. The 2nd time was not even timeout. It was between the sets. When you lose, you look for excuses, instead of giving credit to the player who played better despite medical condition. What else an appreciative loser can do?


andrea Says:

thank god robredo outed djokovic in the presser – doing the show is right. what a drama queen. the ‘woe is me’ head down, shuffling around the base line in between points like he was a concentration camp victim…i mean, get it over it buddy. it’s tennis, not the oscars.


S Green Says:

Ra,
That’s what Murray said in his last interview. If Davy lost before semi and Murray gets to the semi, he becomes the new No. 4.


matt Says:

You know what? This is how I see it:

This is Murray and Roddick great chance to win this GS.

Though I would love to see Roger win the tournament, the reality, as I see it now, is:

Nadal is physically and mentally way too spent. (He won’t win the tournament).

Djokovic looks physically spent right now. (I think he won’t win the tournament either)

Federer could win it. He is physically okay, but he is not the same player mentally. He kind of looks unsure about himself.

Roddick and Murray look physically strong and fit, and at this stage of the season, best of five sets matches, it is a huge advantage.

Roddick has the best chance to win a GS in a long, long time. He can defeat Roger. The only “handicap” is: “Does he believe in his heart and mind he can defeat him in a GS tournament?”.

He can do it now, and he must believe it.

If he finally gets to the final, he could face Murray (I see Murray getting to the final) and there, Murray would probably feel the pressure of a first GS final.

Roddick could take advantage of that, and he would win the tournament.

This is his great, great opportunity, and he should know it.


Sean Randall Says:

Roddick/Fish final? Hmmm…Two guys who DIDN’T go to Beijing!


jane Says:

matt,

what you wrote makes a lot of sense.

Ra,

Good on Murray; I am glad for him. That’s where he belongs, imo, top five for sure.


Sanjeev Says:

Here are some thoughts on key players in the tournament.

Roger Federer – Well, I’m watching the match vs. Andreev right now. Fortunately, he pulled of a win (solid 6-3 in final set). Federer has been on one smooth ride until today. He was playing like he did a couple years back when nobody could slow him down. He hadn’t dropped a set, had some great winners, and he played like he wanted to win it all. Today in his match against 23rd seeded Andreev, he has struggled since the start. The first two sets went to a tiebreaker, and he lost one and won the other. Then they split sets, and now here we are in the magnificent 5th set. I’m noticing that Roger is showing a great deal of emotion, something very uncharacteristic of him. Normally, Federer is able to withold that anger/frustration during a match, but today he screamed at himself after a couple points. I’m not sure if this is from the mono he suffered from earlier this year, but something has gotten in his head (and it all came out today). He’s up 4-1 in the set, and the only thing that can stop him is some sort of mental lapse(which I doubt will happen). Regardless of the match today, I’m going to Federer wins the US Open.

Rafa Nadal – There’s something strange about Nadal. Every shot he takes has tremendous top spin that overwhelms most players. I think the tremendous spin he is able to put on the ball gives him an edge over shorter opponents. He cruised through all his matches, but (just like Federer) had trouble with the red hot 20-year old American, Sam Querrey. Boy, when I saw Sam pick up a set against Nadal, I was ecstatic. I thought he would pull of a tremendous upset, but then I remembered – he has only played one 5 set match. And (as I have said several times before). Anyways the match turned out to be 4 sets, but the American has a lot of potential.

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S Green Says:

I did officially predict Roddick to win tonight. Now it looks like he’s gonna win in straight sets. Roddick has been playing A game through out the tournament except a set and half against Gulbis.

Matt,
You could be right. Even Fish vs. Roddick final is a possibility.


jane Says:

Yep, Andy is on fire. He’s a man on a mission.


jane Says:

Von – I don’t know where you are, but you should feel very proud of the way Andy is playing – yowsa! He must have dinner plans with Brooklyn. P-Mac smiling ear-to-ear.


Daniel Says:

Roddick is making few UE, very solid.

Fed lacks power! I can’t see him holding a match like Djoko x Cilic, where the ball was insane fast. Even his serve lost power, he needs to get a little bit of muscular mass and focus on his aproaches and volleys.

Nadal looks spent, but the mental toughness is more strong than his body. Fish, Murray or Del Potro would have to be with the attacking game on fire to beat him.

Djoko, I don’t know anymore! But game to get to the final he has, a lot.

Btw, Murray would be the new number 4 next monday, He has already 2590 pts and both Ferrer and Davy will drop from 2500. Congrats to him!!


Daniel Says:

Sorry, Murray will be…


YY Says:

Andy won! Managed to get all 4 predictions except for number of sets each match will go to.


Daniel Says:

Roddick just make this US Open gets even better!!!

We have a lot of players that can win it. Fish and Roddick won easily last two rounds while the top guns lost sets. Everybody that make a mark on hard this year are still alive (except Davy, who won Miami), Muller (the Open hot player) and Fed (but he is the defending champion).


S Green Says:

Congratulations to Andy for not just winning in straight sets but also for bringing out his best tennis !
Von,
Smile, smile !
Time to celebrate before you and I start our family fight on Thursday.

J,
We were both 75% again tonight plus got both women right. Not bad.


S Green Says:

YY,
Congratulations to you for getting all 4 right.


S Green Says:

YY,
Maybe you want to post your picks first, and I’ll follow you after. How does that sound?


jane Says:

S,
Yes not bad – I think YY is doing some inside trading! Or should be!

—–

Congrats to Andy! I am really happy to see him happy and playing well. And to Von, his “old faithful” and biggest fan.


Von Says:

“S”

“Von,
Smile, smile !
Time to celebrate before you and I start our family fight on Thursday.”

I’m smiling and thanks. Congrats on your guy’s win today — a lot of drama. I hope it’s not a dog fight on Thursday night.

Jane: “And to Von, his “old faithful” and biggest fan.”

Thanks, Andy played very well. Congrats on Djoko’s win! Our guys will meet on Thursday night under the lights.


YY Says:

the picks were sensible ones with the exception of Davy’s loss which I thought was the mostly probable upset if any was going to happen.

will post my picks soon :)


Del Torri Says:

andrea, NachoF, “Latent Talent” (who we all know has used around ten display names):

If you don’t like Djokovic that’s fine, but just shut up about it and respect the fact that the people who like him find it very tiresome to read your comments bashing him. I admire him enormously for wearing his heart on his sleeve, his dynamic style of play, and his sense of humour. I don’t have any problems with his ‘negative’ attitude – he shows that he is human and I like him even more for that.

If I was out there, I’d probably have to take twice as many medical time-outs as Novak.

The way I see it, the only reason you pick on him is because he has become the third best player in the world, and you NEED someone to pick on (which says nothing of your own personalities). It just shows he has become someone of importance in the tennis world. If you can’t show any empathy for people who dislike your comments, I only have pity for you.

Sean, what the hell is wrong with Djokovic talking about his physical struggles in the press? He’s honest, direct, and blunt, which is one of the things I like most about him. He speaks his mind. If you prefer players to give politically correct, guarded responses, well I can’t understand why you would value that.

So what if he talks about how his next opponent will be fitter than him? It’s TRUE. He’s being HONEST about how his next match will pan out. You simply have no end as to how you can criticise him. If he had said he was feeling confident about the QF’s, you guys would accuse him of being arrogant.

jane and S, I don’t know how you put up with all this rubbish from those mentioned above.


Del Torri Says:

correction in 2nd para: “…who like him *AND* find it…”

Now, below is an excellent example of how a certain player can say WHATEVER HE LIKES and NEVER GETS CRITICISED, (whereas Novak (according to Sean) “invites the flames”):

***
Roger Federer on the Olympics (winning Doubles Gold): “So from that perspective it helped. I really thought I played, you know, great in doubles throughout the tournament. I REALLY CARRIED STAN THROUGH A FEW MATCHES, you know, and then after that he really started to play well.”
[Source: http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2008-08-29/200808291220043890193.html ] (I think it’s the fifth question down)
***

Roger says he “carried” Stan through the first few matches in the Olympics. Basically, he’s making it all about himself even in a team event. It’s almost like he’s implying ‘my partner played like crap at first but because of me by his side he lifted his game’. It is an unbelievable thing to say. Continuing on from my above post, he might be speaking his mind, but it’s a completely different thing (and far worse) to essentially denigrate a team mate than talking about how you are struggling physically!

I can give other examples, like how Federer once said that French players display lots of flair when Spanish players “simply put the ball back in play”. (LOL) I’d post it now but I need time to find the quote.

I have said before that I like Federer (nowhere near as much as I like Djokovic though), but why is it that whatever Federer says people keep quiet, yet Djokovic gets ripped left and right for displaying the virtue of honesty?


grendel Says:

Didn’t expect to post again,not having even seen this site for 3 months or so, but was really struck by Federer’s match with Andreev. So felt like opening my gob a bit. For most of the match, Andreev was bossing Federer. You always felt Fed had a chance – he’s become a wily old fox , and you sensed the Russian might, not implode exactly – he didn’t – but just do one or two silly things to let Fed back in – he did : the drop shots. Basically, though, he overpowered Federer, and it is only the peculiar (but excellent) tennis scoring system which allowed Fed his victory. That Federer understood this was made clear by his intense celebration antics immediately post match. As for Andreev, he was remarkably good humoured about it all, a broad grin as he came off the court, and a relaxed response in the pressy. It seems to me, he’s a bit too nice to win a big one. I don’t know about Muller, but if Fed gets past him, he’s not going to encounter such generosity again. So his prospects look a little bleak.

Daniel says Fed isn’t strong enough, needs to go to the gym and so on. I agree with the first bit, not sure about the second. It is true that Federer is struggling, these days, with the power unleashed against him. Of the young – Cilic, Gulbis, Del Potro, because of their power, the fear factor will now be on the other foot where Fed is concerned. The same is obviously even more true of the not so young (Nadal, Murray, Djokovic – who was funny recently, in acknowledging his veteran status). But significantly, it is also true of people more or less of Fed’s own generation – Roddick, Andreev, Blake, Fish, even the struggling Safin (who was in control of large parts of their baseline struggle at Wimbie this year). I fully expect Roddick , assuming he defeats an ailing Djokovic, to beat Fed much more easily than he did earlier this year – that match was basically a toss up.

One of the glories of Federer in his prime was how he could deflect and even exploit the power of other, stronger players. It was truly a delight to observe. It was based, surely, on immaculate timing as well as extraordinary touch. Now once that goes even slightly – and that’s all it needs, we’re talking tiny margins here – hard to see how it can come back. Always, where Fed is concerned, I think of John MacEnroe, his only rival as a touch player – and whose game also went very suddenly, unexpectedly, and never came back, although of course he continued for many years to do good things.

People sometimes point to Sampras – how he would almost disappear for a year or two, and then come back and snatch a triumph. But, imo, this is misleading. Sampras was a power player, not least of course in his serve. Players like that are not subject to quick, dramatic decline in the same way as touch players. Even today, would you bet against Sampras playing against ANYONE in a oneoff best of three on a surface of Sampras’s choosing? This is not in any sense to say Federer is better than Sampras, or Sampras is better than Federer – they are just different, with utterly different strengths. The similarities are superficial.

Whatever happens at the Open, we can’t definitively write Fed off till we see how he plays next year. He may have one or two surprises in store. I don’t get the sense, though, that he feels there is anything urgently amiss. This strikes me as strange, and is a little worrying. On the other hand, what he says publicly may not be what he privately believes.

Meanwhile, it’s great that Nishikori has made himself known to a wider public. He was a spent force by the time of the del Potro match – but he’s my tip for the very top within 2 or 3 years. There’s a raw talent there which is just moving to behold. And can’t wait for Murray/del Potro. Match of the tourney?


S Green Says:

Grendel,
Welcome home. You are one of the few Fed fans I honestly appreciate and can have fruitful conversation with. I told you on TP that I am an admirer of your writing style, to a certain extent reasoning, too. I’d appreciate if you decide to drop in more often.

Del Torri,
I agree it is sometimes unbearable with mostly kitchen sink crowd that gives free rein to zealism and leaves the door ajar for intolerance to rear its ugly head. You cannot quarantine the anti-social fugitives. All we could do is know them and ignore them.

I just wish the world were perfect where humans could only appreciate each other and everything around them, transcending prevalent hierarchology.


Von Says:

Del Torri:

” “Latent Talent” (who we all know has used around ten display names)”

I’m so happy soneone else is astute and courageous in detecting and pointing out the obvious with reference to the above poster. He is the most abusive, uncouth, krass and narrow-minded (well, there are a few more in that group) of posters. I realized he has used many other names but he has denied it and instead accused me of so doing. His hate for the Americans and especially Andy Roddick, is mindboggling and pathetic, and I’m dumfounded as to how he is able to get away with his sick tirades on this site. I’m lost for more descriptive adjectives to describe his behavior and those similar to him who thrive on bisecting and dissecting every aspect of other players, save their own ‘god’ behavior. I wholeheartedly wish there were more Roddick/American fans on this site who would be courageous enough to put ‘Latent Talent’ and his many aliases into his place when he begins on his Roddick/American abuse/tirades. I remember once you told me you empathise with me since you felt the same about Djoko. Thanks for that, and I absolutely admire your spirit. I was at the receiving end a few days ago of one of Latent Talent’s tirades which has left me somewhat disinterested in posting. This time he went too far, he threatened me to dare speak about any other player, or else he’ll be standing by to put me into my place. His behavior can be summed up into that of a ‘jealous coward and a bully’, who wants to deprive others of any type of joy they would derive from their favourite players’ performance. He’s jealous that he’s unable to interact in a peaceful manner with others and that is manifested in his rants toward those who can.

Sadly, Latent Talent is not alone in his uncouth behaviour. There are those who are more subtly devious and like to play ‘coy’ by deigning lack of knowledge on an incident, asking leading questions about a player’s behaviour, with the express intention of igniting the flames. They knowingly do this to engender heated and hateful comments. These people are gutless strife makers who thrive on this type of situation.

DelTorri, even though I’m not one you would call a Djoko fan/supporter, I don’t dislike him and admire certain aspects of his game. My feeling is that all of the players are guilty of poor behaviour at times. We the fans/posters, are all entitled to our opinions and should be able to comment on other players if their fans are effusive in their descriptions and comments about other players, save their favourite ‘god’; it should be a two-way street, but unfortunately it’s not so on these threads — only one-sided. Djoko’s fans’ support is to be commended. I just wish there was more support for Roddick and the Americans, who would be united in their defense, so that people such as ‘Latent Talent’ and those who are similar to him in characteristic behaviour, would not get the upper-hand and come out unscathed in their uncouth, uncivilized, gutless, bullyish and cowardly behavior. Thanks for speaking up and pointing out the obvious.


Del Torri Says:

S and Von – thanks for your comments. I don’t have time to give a very lengthy response at the moment, but I appreciate it!

Von, thanks for all that extra stuff about *that* person…I started to notice this ‘pattern’ ages ago, since he started posting as “Jack” – it’s amusing how he doesn’t bother to mask the obvious aspects of his writing style. I’m not the first person to realise this, I seem to remember you thanking someone else for noticing this duplicity.

Anyway, time to go – enjoy Murray / Del Potro!


jane Says:

Del Torri,

I just saw your name on the sidebar thingy and clicked to read your comments. I haven’t seen you around in a long-long time, but I remember discussing the Djoko-bashing with you in the past. It still lingers. But mostly I don’t even bother with the people who perpetuate it. Somehow, there is no reasoning with them. If there is outright bias, like getting on Novak just for what he said in his on-court interview, because apparently he “should not” say that, then I have to speak up.

Anyhow, hope you can come around a little more often! I think S & I are two of the only Djoko supporters left around here. Most are indifferent or hate him.


Daniel Says:

grendel,

Agree with most of the things you pointed out. But I still believe that just 5 pounds of muscles will be enough at least for some explosion, he looks thinner than before.

If we look closely to Fed’s lost, he wasn’t outplayed by Roddick, Murray, Stepanek, Simon, Karlovic, Blake, those were close matches. With Djoko the mono was too recent to know for sure, Fish was a disaster (Fed’s worst performance this year) and Nadal is already a mental thing, but he didn’t lost to him in hard yet, so…
The moment he start losing “ugly” we can count him off. So far he hasn’t show great tennis since Wimbledon and I won’t be surprised if he win the next three matches in straigh sets. This is a Grand Slam and he is very, very hard to beat in Slams, and the Andreev match may have unleashed the spirit within. :) He is still my pic for this Open, redemption Slam.

Nadal was in his ultra best to beat him this year, and I need to see him against Fish before putting him as favorite for this Open.
Somehow I can’t see Roddick winning it, when he faces the big guns he will remeber the past, and Djoko fall from favorite to a question, need one more match to figure him out too.

Murray is on a quest, who knows…


grendel Says:

S Green (Shital Green sounds so much more distinguished!) – thanks for that. Posting can be curiously addictive, and I’d like to show a bit more restraint this time round. It’s ok if you have lots of dialogues – but I tend to be the loner type, and this can get self-indulgent.

Daniel – I dunno. It’s true, most of Fed’s losses this year (and wins, for that matter) have been close. But that is consistent, isn’t it, with a slow but steady decline. But you may well be right on the “muscle” issue – don’t really know how that works. I think by next May or June, say, we’ll be pretty clear as to where Fed is.

Again, you may be right about Roddick, it’s certainly plausible. But I just get the feeling that he thinks this is his time. And he may well be right!


Bandit Says:

Half of you know nothing about tennis or MONO for that matter and I will not explain it again to you chowderheads, now please shut up about MONO already. What in the hell is Tracy Austin talking about? She is like a chatty kathy doll that you pull the string to talk only she keeps doing it. How the hell Ted and Mac put up with her is beyond me.


JCF Says:

“Novak will also likely have more than 48 hours to recover for a night match, so he shouldn’t have excuses. Upset stomach? Ankle? Should both be fine by then, plus he should get an emotional lift from the Robredo win which showed me he can gut one out. But again to remark afterward that he won’t be at his best come Thursday is something he shouldn’t say.”

At the AO one year, Roddick beat El Aynaoui 21-19 in the 5th, and he had every reason to use that excuse but he didn’t. His coach (Brad Gilbert) spoke on his behalf and announced that he will be 100% ready for his next match, even though he wouldn’t. He ended up losing to Scheuttler but didn’t make excuses.

Hewitt, as much as I dislike him, also had a tough path to an AO final, fighting off some really long matches against tough opponents (Nadal and Nalbandian) and a hip flexor injury. His coach also said that he would be fit and ready for the next match (which was against Roddick). He ended up winning that match, because Roddick made some tactical errors in that match. He lost in the final to Safin, but again didn’t use any excuses.

Blake is another guy who will never take anything from his opponent.

These guys have gone through more trials and tribulations than Nole has, and didn’t have to pre-empt their losses with excuses. Nole could take a few lessons from them if he wants to increase his popularity with fans. I happen to like his game and feistiness but some of his comments have been really ungracious (he withdrew from a match against Nadal at RG, and afterward said the way I was playing, I could have kicked his ass easily. Nadal’s response when told of it was mature–he didn’t take the bait).


Danica Says:

“NachoF Says:
Another horrible display of bad attitude from Djokovic… seriously, I dont get how this guy has fans at all.”

Couldn’t see any horrible displays from him. What horrible display? Saw him applaud good points from his oponents like no one else, saying “bravo” to Cilic on more than one ocasion. I don’t know anyone who shows more respect for great points than him.


JCF Says:

“That Robredo’s whining about the loss because Djoko took medical timeout sounds unconvincing, as if he had been on roll/ rhythm or something. If it had been medical condition, he would have won at least once in their previous 4 meetings, in which Djoko never took timeout. On top of that, Djoko took timeout when he was still ahead in the match, not behind, and you could see the pain in his body language. The 2nd time was not even timeout. It was between the sets. When you lose, you look for excuses, instead of giving credit to the player who played better despite medical condition. What else an appreciative loser can do?”

The case Robredo was making wasn’t that Novak was taking momentum from him. It was that Novak was using these distractions because he was tired and needed to catch his breath. If he wasn’t allowed to, he wouldn’t have been able to keep up with the demands of 5 sets (and would have lost) is what Robredo was trying to argue.


JCF Says:

“If you don’t like Djokovic that’s fine, but just shut up about it and respect the fact that the people who like him find it very tiresome to read your comments bashing him. I admire him enormously for wearing his heart on his sleeve, his dynamic style of play, and his sense of humour. I don’t have any problems with his ‘negative’ attitude – he shows that he is human and I like him even more for that.

If I was out there, I’d probably have to take twice as many medical time-outs as Novak.”

And that’s the reason why you’re not a world class pro tennis player. Novak is, as is everyone else in the top 20. When you’re there, you’re expected to perform, or else you shouldn’t be there.

And I don’t believe NachoF and Latent Talent are the same person. If they are, then the person has dissociative identity disorder, because one of them hates Nadal and the other likes him. Are you one of those regulars here that read everything but don’t comment? I only ask because your name doesn’t ring a bell in my memory at the moment.

Does anyone know if Ryan uses other aliases?

“The way I see it, the only reason you pick on him is because he has become the third best player in the world, and you NEED someone to pick on (which says nothing of your own personalities). It just shows he has become someone of importance in the tennis world. If you can’t show any empathy for people who dislike your comments, I only have pity for you. ”

I pick on him, but I happen to like him nonetheless. I don’t NEED to pick on anyone, but I do feel that more should be expected from a guy who’s #3 in the world. Sure, not everyone is born equal, and some people have handicaps. But when that is the case, you shouldn’t get special treatment just because you do. It’s not the fault of other players if you aren’t as well built. And that is why excuses should be kept to himself, even when they are legitimate excuses, as they no doubt often are.

“Sean, what the hell is wrong with Djokovic talking about his physical struggles in the press? He’s honest, direct, and blunt, which is one of the things I like most about him. He speaks his mind. If you prefer players to give politically correct, guarded responses, well I can’t understand why you would value that. ”

I like him for all the same reasons you do. But sometimes his comments lack tact, even if blunt and true. There’s a line you shouldn’t cross when it comes to being blunt. Even blunt people should have some etiquette to follow, even if a bit liberally. For instance, it wouldn’t be a nice thing to say after losing “he sucked. The only reason he won is because I didn’t want to miss my flight,” even if it was 100% true, would it?

“Anyhow, hope you can come around a little more often! I think S & I are two of the only Djoko supporters left around here. Most are indifferent or hate him.”

I don’t hate him. I like him. His game is fun to watch, and I do like his personality, though not all his comments. But I will criticize him when I think he deserves to be. I criticize Federer a lot too, though I also like him. Nadal has things to criticize too, though I’m not bothered personally by as many things he does (otherwise he’d be criticized as much as Djok and Fed).


jane Says:

JCF – You are an exception. You are almost always objective. I criticize Novak too: he can be overly dramatic, he needs a more consistent first serve, he could use more stamina. But I like him and his game, so I don’t see any reason in belaboring the negatives. Much less exaggerating them. I try to be objective too. But Djoko gets bashed more than Rafa or Roger and most others, sometimes the criticisms are fair, sometimes they’re overblown. I try to step up when they get unreasonable. Tact is not always innate; it needs to be learned. Novak has come a ways already from way back in 06 and those incidents.


grendel Says:

I daresay I’ve missed it – but I can’t remember anyone mentioning Robredo’s dramatic fall in the final set. He seemed to have been severely shaken, judging by the lacklustre manner of his subsequent play. Pity – up till then, it had been dramatic stuff, and I certainly couldn’t pick a winner.


Von Says:

Skorocel Hi:

Glad to see you back again. Mardy really blew it for himself. He was hitting and missing too many shots out carelessly. I know he was frustrated by the way he was banging his racquet, but I can’t understand what made him change his style after being so successful in the first set. He had a great opportunity to get to the semis and blew it. So Sad.

BTW, I walked away after the first set and when I returned to watch the second set they had already played 2 games, but I heard the commentators mention a bathroom break caused Mardy to lose his momesntum. Who had the bathroom break so early in the match? I should have asked if you saw the match before asking that question. Anyway, you must have been watch due to your description of the breaks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th sets. Will you be posting at the SFs and final. I hope so and look forward to reading your posts. :P Nice to have you back again!

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