Federer, Murray Heading Toward Final Sunday Collision?
by Sean Randall | June 25th, 2009, 6:21 pm
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Two rounds done, five more to go at the Wimbledon Championships. I’ve been away on break for the last five days, but was still able to catch much of the grass court action via TV and the internet. So far, so good for the main attractions. Not much in the way of surprises, although today’s Lleyton Hewitt win over Juan Martin Del Potro was arguably the biggest stunner in the men’s draw thus far.

The top man, Roger Federer, has looked ultra-sharp the first two rounds. His competition hasn’t been very formidable but Roger has coasted and taken care of business, whereas Andy Murray struggled just a little in the first round – though clearly righted that ship today against Ernests Gulbis.

Andy Roddick has looked “okay” through two rounds in wins over Jeremy Chardy and Igor Kunitsyn while Novak Djokovic suddenly says he’s not among the guys to beat nor are his expectations very high (huh?).

That all said, I like my darkhorse pick Tomas Berdych who has destroyed both his opponents – okay, his first round was a virtual bye vs. a Brit! And I think Fernando Gonzalez looks good as well, and I see him coming out to the quarterfinals.

For tomorrow, the best match is Tommy Haas and Marin Cilic. The 20-year-old Cilic has a bigger and brighter game, but I like Haas in that one. He seems to be playing quality tennis I could easily see him run the table to the Final Four. I also like Seppi, Dudi Sela over Tommy Robredo (really?), Jo Tsonga over Ivo Karlovic and French finalist Robin Soderling over Nico Almagro.

As for Federer v. Kohlschreiber, I’ll take the Swiss. Phil will be Fed’s toughest test thus far and he’s accomplished on the grass, but I don’t like his chances against Roger. Fed’s flying high.

Lots of talk the first four days about the grunting in women’s tennis. Who cares? Honestly, anything that spices up the game, especially the women’s, is a good thing! I also heard a report of a shot clock coming to tennis, about time. It’s something I talked about last year.

And on Rafael Nadal, apparently his knees are not the only thing troubling him. The current-but-soon-to-be-dethroned No. 1’s parents are reportedly splitting up or have split up. That’s too bad. Hope for the best for Rafa.

So who’s looking good, who isn’t? Right now it’s still Fed’s tournament. I don’t think Djokovic has the belief, Murray can overcome the pressure and Roddick has the power to outgun Fed. Can Fed have a bad day, absolutely. But who’ll take advantage? The only guy is Murray but that would come in the final when all of Britain will be watching. Pressure cooker? Yes. Advantage Federer.

Turning to the women, still looks like we are headed to a fourth Venus-Serena Wimbledon final showdown. Venus hasn’t even lost a set in a few years while Serena is mowing down her section.

Watching a little of Maria Sharapova lose to Gisella Dulko, I have to think we may have seen the last of Russian play on final Sundays at Slams. Without a serve her game is basically muck and the competition will catch up. Ana Ivanovic may be on that same career path if she doesn’t sure up her serve and her game. In the meantime, look for Victoria Azarenka and Caroline Wozniacki to pick up the slack and join the crusade in challenging Williams sisters.


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318 Comments for Federer, Murray Heading Toward Final Sunday Collision?

Tennis Freak Says:

Fed, ultra sharp, yes; that the perception of Hypo’s “righting the ship” after almost capsizing it could be misleading because the opponent, who was partying till 2:00 am the night before, in his private jet or embassy car, plays tennis for exhibition (2 matches a Slam).


Green Balls Says:

Uh yah, duh


jane Says:

Gulbis is having a not-great year, but I think he has had some decent results at slams in the past.

In the slams in 2008, here’s who he lost to:

Australian Open – he lost in round one, but to Safin, so not a shameful loss.

French Open – he lost to Djokovic in the quarters in 3 tight sets.

Wimbledon – he lost in round 2 to Nadal, but he did win one set over Nadal.

USO – he lost in round 2 to Roddick, again taking one set.

So, therefore, in the slams last year Gulbis lost to Safin, 2 time g.s. winner and former number 1; Djokovic, 1 time g.s. winner and then number 3; Nadal, 6 time g.s. winner, who won Wimbledon last year, and then number 2; and Roddick, 1 time g.s. winner and then number 5 (?), former number 1.

I’d hardly say that Murray had an “easy” opponent or one who plays for exhibition.

Now, maybe Gilbus doesn’t have the heart or will of a champion, but that doesn’t make him any less of a dangerous dark horse, a guy like Berdych, who can be dangerous on any given day.

Nor am I saying Murray will win Wimbledon. But I think it’s unrealistic to think he’s not one of the top contenders to do so.


Fedfan Says:

Hewitt Roddick should be a blockbuster quarterfinal. Then the winner playing Murray. Some nice matches in that half of the draw.


sheila Says:

rooting 4 federer all the way in all tournaments. love his game. was ecstatic he won french. i think wimbledon’s is his to win or lose. would love 2c him get 2 the final and win over murray. i hope the french has given him a new found confidence.


andrea Says:

good for hewitt. he was supposed to meet rafa in round two so he also go the benefit of nadal withdrawing…not to say he couldn’t have beaten him.

roddick must be thrilled that he isn’t in fed’s half of the draw for a change. berdych might give him some trouble. the longer the match goes on, the lesser andy’s chances become. it usually means his opponent has started to read his serve and/or his other arsenal of shots (which aren’t nearly as powerful as his serve) start to let him down.


Tennis Freak Says:

That was last year, Jane. It’d be more realistic to pull out his stat for this year. Glubis has won only 10 matches in 17 tournaments so far this year, including Wimbledon, before playing Murray. Let alone the Scott, he has not gotten past 2nd round in 17 attempts. In each of those 17 tournaments, he played 2 exhibition matches. The number 2 = exhibition (like many players play before the 1st match at Wimby. )


Tennis Freak Says:

In 2008, in 24 tournaments that he entered, Gulbis reached 3rd round or beyond only 6 times, his so-called best year (reached 38 in ranking). Actually he has never gotten past 2nd round since July 2008, i.e. since ’08 Cincinnati. So for the last 11 months (aprox.), he decided to play only in 2 exos.


vared Says:

Todd Martin says this about Djok Fish match:
If you can’t tell, I like Roger Federer’s chances. Of course, I also give Andy Murray a shot. Friday, however, there will be a match between Mardy Fish and Novak Djokovic that might be the opening for an American (other than Andy Roddick) to reach the semis of Wimbledon. Mardy’s form has been good this year and has started the tourney well this week. Fish is one of the few guys out there who can really make the grass courts work for him. When he is sharp, he can man handle lots of the guys. If he has a good day against Djokovic and puts a lot of pressure on Djokovic’s second serve great things can happen. I like Fish’s chances Friday — and beyond. Look for it.


vared Says:

I’d hardly say that Murray had an “easy” opponent

Gulbis is 74th Kendrick 76 Troicki 31

Djok
Benneteau 81 Greul 100 Fish 25


Von Says:

Mardy Fish seems to be enjoying his tennis at the moment and he’s in the best form I’ve seen since ’05 Cincy. He sort of dropped off since then due to wrist surgery and knee problems. According to him, he feels healthy, and he looks healthy too. When he’s healthy, and his serve is clicking, he can very well be dangerous. I think Djoko will have to be prepared to give his best, and be cognizant of Mardy’s strengths and good form, not playing against him as he is often wont to do against lower ranked opponents.


jane Says:

Mardy has great serve and volley abilities, which should suit the grass well. I hope it’s a good match tomorrow; I’m looking forward to it.


Giner Says:

Looks like Nadal didn’t do del Potro any favours giving him the top seed. Hewitt’s a tough second round match for the top seed. He seems to draw Nadal a lot in GS and early too. Twice at AO, twice at FO, and once at Wimb.


Polo Says:

What I want is for Gulbis is to meet and hook up with Ana Ivanovic. They would make for a good looking pair. Then they, especially Gulbis, could say that playing professional tennis was not for naught. And then they can both sail off into the sunset and live happily ever after. And I too can live happily ever after because I don’t have to suffer from watching them play so miserably.


Green Balls Says:

Vared, Todd Martin’s analysis is about as crap as his tennis was on the tour. Fish doesn’t stand a chance on Friday, unfortunately the Fish is gonna sink, not swim.


Von Says:

A few days ago a poster enquired as to who’s the guy, other than Federer in the Wilson K {six} 1 commercial, with green background, etc, shown on the Tennis Channel, yes?. It’s Feliciano Lopez!


Von Says:

Fish also has one of the best angled, two-handed backhands. I wouldn’t say Fish doesn’t stand a chance, because he’s beaten Tipsy (who’s always a tough out for Djoko) twice, at Madrid and Wimby. So I wouldn’t say Fish is going to sink, he might just bite, and/or chew up the fishing rod. ha ha.


sar Says:

Polo:
Ana Ivanovic is very beautiful but I think she and Handsome Haas would be great together as well. Alas, Haas has a fiance and Ana is supposedly seeing Adam Scott the Aussie golfer. Someone said he was in her box. We’ll have to keep a look out for him.
Jane:
I hope Novak can win tomorrow but Fish is good. Novak said he is not a favorite. When I was watching the match between Novak and Gruel the British announcer said that Novak was friendly and well-liked on the tennis circuit. People make him out to be a disliked person. I think his problems were mainly with Federer for awhile and it seems like it’s over.
Here are three very nice videos Novak did on his birthday in Paris. Very funny stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEeJoHk-3gY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ1ZUvAd778
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7JSEAEylTI


Green Balls Says:

Yah true Von, we may have a half eaten worm by the end of the day!


jane Says:

Fish won Delray, was in finals at San Jose and in quarters at Queens. In 2008, he got to the quarters of the USO where he took a set off Rafa, finals of New Haven (lost to Cilic), semis in LA (lost to Delpo), and of course he beat Federer at Indian Wells.

So he is not an opponent to be under-estimated. Many top players have commented on him as being a “dark horse”, one who is capable of playing above his ranking on any given day. And he ranked 25th right now, not bad at all.

He’s got a 50% chance tomorrow; Djoko is right.


Green Balls Says:

True Jane Fish has taken sets off Djokovic in each of their past matches, although the Djoker has won both matches they’ve played which were on hardcourt.


Green Balls Says:

Jane speaking of odds, Fish pays about 3.3:1 tomorrow, Djokovic pays about 1:5 so definitely the odds are on Djokovic. But more funny is the Federer vs. Kohlschreiber match tomorrow. Federer pays about 1:100 right now lol. So if you bet $10,000 on Federer tomorrow you’ll win a handsome $100 :P.


jane Says:

Green Balls, I am too stingy to bet. lol. But yeah I think bookies go more by rankings than current form, or match ups, don’t they? Or do they really know their stuff?


Green Balls Says:

Yah I don’t bet myself I just like to see what the odds are. It’s definitely not just based on rankings, and from what I understand it’s a very dynamic thing. I.e. when betting is opened on a match the bookies determine initial odds on the players. But as bets are mad, they can adjust the odds for future bets. It’s sort of like a currency in that way, based on demand.


jane Says:

Oh very interesting … well some day, when I win the lottery, maybe I’ll throw a few bucks down on an outside chance. $ begets $ when you can afford to take risks.


Green Balls Says:

I never buy lottery tickets – a tax for the stupid as Robert Manning once said.


jane Says:

Neither do I, ha ha. Guess I won’t be betting either then. Oh well, leave it the others.


Giner Says:

“Lots of talk the first four days about the grunting in women’s tennis. Who cares? Honestly, anything that spices up the game, especially the women’s, is a good thing! I also heard a report of a shot clock coming to tennis, about time. It’s something I talked about last year.”

Doesn’t matter anymore. Sharapova lost in rd 2.


Tennis Freak Says:

Some stats from near and distant past, if they are any help to speculate tomorrow’s outcome:
Mardy and Djok have met 2ice before, Djok leading 2-0, but have never met on grass. If Mardy can serve around 20 aces, the match could be competitive. If he serves 30 aces, he will beat Djok. As with most players but in contrast to Djok (14 T-line, 11 Wide), he usually serves more on wide side than down the T for his aces; for instance, in his last match, 7 of his 10 aces were on the wide side. When Mardy played Djok at ’06 USO, Mardy served 21 aces (50% 1st serve in), and the match was 50-50 till the end, though he lost in 4 sets. As he goes for more aces, his 1st serve % in tends to go down, which is not unusual. He has pretty good net approaches, gets around 70% points in average. If his past 3rd Rd. millage (2 out of 6 attempts) at Wimby is any indication, he may be able to do for the 3rd time, but, in my math, he has only 33% chances.

Federer’s stat is too stellar on grass, so it would not do any good to compare him with Kohl, though he is supposedly the toughest of the three opponents so far. Kohl is good, but still I’d be surprised if he takes a set off Fed.


Gordo Says:

It is tough enough that Nadal is going through the pain of having his knees beginning to fail him. Mentally and emotionally it must be a challenge too now that his mum and dad are splitting up.

For another, older, and yes, different player it might just be another case of the rents not getting along so just shrug and so what, but over the years you can tell how close the Nadal family has been and you know it must be a terrible burden on Rafa.

My thoughts are with you lad – take care of your knees; I’m hoping they get better soon so you can rreturn to your game, but more importantly take care of the stress your emotions must be feeling.

As hollow as it may sound, time does heal all and we look forward to seeing you back on the tour, grunting away with that unbridled energy and flashing again that killer smile of yours.


vared Says:

Doesn’t matter anymore. Sharapova lost in rd 2.

Giner,
Serena, Venus and Azarenka all grunt so it’s a problem.


Kimmi Says:

If Fish serves over 80% first serve then he has a chance of winning. anything lower = losing.

When Fish played Murray in Queens, Fish only won about 20% of his second serves. Actually the whole of 1st set.. he won 0% second serves. I hope Djoko is studying these stats.


TejuZ Says:

Do feel sad for Nadal. It must be really hard for him to concentrate on the game during these troubled times in his family. Hope he recovers and regroups fast.


margot Says:

sean randall: some guy said about Andy M that he had never seen a more competitive 5 year old! Andy has the self-belief you need to be at the top of the game. If, and of course I agree with everyone else, it is an if though no longer a huge one, he’ll handle the pressure fine. In fact, he has said how much he appreciates the home support as opposed to when he plays at AO, RG USO.
Hey guys its been a lng time coming, why wouldn’t the media go mad? Doesn’t Andy R get the same treatment at the USO?


Giner Says:

Vared:

“Giner,
Serena, Venus and Azarenka all grunt so it’s a problem.”

Shaz was the biggest offender, but point taken. The Williams and Azarenka are actually good, so they should still be there at the business end of the tournament.


Colin Says:

I’m surprised no charming person has pounced on this news about Nadal and said, “There you are – his knee trouble was a fake excuse.”
Actually the two problems may well be related. The genuine knee wear caused him pain and dented his confidence in his ability to move, but for a time he played through the pain. The family worries would make it that much harder to do so.
Despite his ferocious commitment to tennis, mightn’t even Rafa feel it matters less than family?


huh Says:

I just hope Fish makes Djoko work hard for his victory. And I also hope for Philip to give up easily against Fed so that Fed doesn’t expend much of his energy. And what I surely don’t hope is Fed/Djoko getting beaten in today’s matches.


huh Says:

Ana Ivanovic’s not playing too badly this year at Wimbledon. May be she can reach semi or deeper. But the headcase Dinara’s so pathetic, she’s tools for slam win but may never win one. I’d be however a bit sad for madgal Safina if she doesn’t win a slam.


huh Says:

The useless Safina’s game’s so exciting to watch and of good quality but all she’s doing with it is throwing it into disarray whenever she’s in a slam final. And it was tough to see this headcase holding back her tears during FO 09 trophy presentation.


Tennisfan Says:

Sorry, I like Roddick (particularly his interviews) … but he does not have the power to outgun Federer (c’mon). Roddick has picked up his game lately … but he is 5-6 at best … and he better keep working.

Murray has not impressed on grass (so far) … he better pick up his game or he may not make it to Sunday.

Federer cruising so far … I suspect that he will meet someone who’s having a hot day along the way … but they would have to keep it up for along time to take him out.


Polo Says:

Roddick’s path to go deeper is improving. He needs some more luck to get into the finals and even more to win the whole thing. I have doubts but I would not mind if he wins. The guy works hard.

Murray has not played against a quality player yet. Gulbis appears washed out and disinterested at 20. He reached his peak 2 years ago!

I don’t know if Djokovic believes in himself enough to be able to win. I think he goes on court worrying if he will survive a five set match because of his breathing problem.

Federer, should still be the top pick considering his Wimbledon record. I would say that even if Nadal were in the tournament.


Rab Says:

A very Happy Birthday to you Joe!

Thank you for your nice words.
Hope your enjoying the tennis. Looks like another straightforward win for the Fed Express.


jane Says:

huh, Fed has always beaten Kohls “fairly” easily so I don’t think you have anything to be concerned about; has Kohls even taken a set from Fed? He won’t be expending too much energy.


Patrik Says:

Look out for Robin Søderling. I think he will be an outsider. He has a lot of confidence from the French final, and he has a huge serve and if he has the day he can beat anybody.

On the other hand, I do not think that anybody can beat Roger in Wimbledon this year.


Gordo Says:

That’s quite the statistic we just heard – for the past 7 years, including this year Roger Federer has only lost a grand total of 2 sets in the first week of Wimbledon – one to Fish (3rd round – 2nd set, 2003) and one to Keifer (3rd round – 2nd set, 2005). And in case anyone is curious, his set record is 18 – 0 in 4th round matches. Pretty impressive.


Kimmi Says:

A little bit of a wobble there on the 1st set but good finish in the end. Early break on the second, just need to keep the head straight.

Whats up with the lines people ??


Kimmi Says:

Wow !! this is becoming too easy for fed. A lot of tricky shots from fed, great display of tennis.


Kimo Says:

How good is Fed on grass!!!!

By far the most entertaining tennis player to watch.


Kimo Says:

I haven’t seen Fed this good in years. WOW.


Tennis Freak Says:

Spectacular Fed. He surgically, meticulously takes care of the business. Kohl is also helping bring out some of Fed’s best. As we go deeper, we will get to see more of those.
Thank you for the skill; personhood is irrelevant !


Tennis Freak Says:

Kimo, Kimmi, and Safin, Safina,

Fed always plays this good on grass. He only gets better from here on, and a capable, strong opponent contributes to that process.


Skorocel Says:

Is this a renewed version of Federer or what? I haven’t seen him so quick since 2006!


Kimmi Says:

What happened again Mr fed. Loss of concentration. OK..can Kohl take the set ?


Scottish Says:

Ugh, come on Fed.


Sean Randall Says:

Mr. Kohls hanging in there, Roger’s come off his level just a touch.

Karlovic already with 15 aces, wow!

Soderling playing tough, but won’t beat Fed.


Sean Randall Says:

Margot, you can compare Andy R with Andy M when it comes to pressure in their native majors. The US Open hardly makes the top news cycles here in the U.S. whereas Wimbledon/Murray are front page news in the U.K.


Kimo Says:

Fed lost his concentration and it cost him the set.

And what a stupid error at 5-5 in the tiebreak :(


Kimmi Says:

Wow, good job Kohl for taking the set. C’mon fed, it going to be a dog fight now.


Skorocel Says:

“And what a stupid error at 5-5 in the tiebreak :(”

Well, hard to say whether it was stupid or not (he had to go for it), but it proved certainly costly for him…


Kimo Says:

No, I don’t think it’ll be a dog fight. Fed will stop messing around and Kohl will return to being his usual self.


Scottish Says:

Mental lapse there. Maybe not a bad thing for Fed. Hopefully he can make this set quick.


Sean Randall Says:

Missed forehand at 4-5 cost Roger, eh?


Tennis Freak Says:

Kohl becomes the 6th player to take a set off Fed (excluding Nadal), deservedly so. Good to be wrong sometimes: We get to see more tennis.


Kimo Says:

Fed breaks!!! He’s not gonna give up this break.


Scottish Says:

Phew – nice way to finish only dropping 1 game. Still he gave Kohl the 3rd set.


Kimo Says:

Well, I wouldn’t say he “gave” it to Kohl. Kohl only made 2 UEs in the entire set and Fed’s 1st serve percentage dipped a little bit. Fed set things right in the fourth. I consider it a clinical performance a Fed today.

As for the Women’s game, I gotta agree with Sean’s sentiments about Sharapova. She’s already the consummate over-achiever, because she doesn’t have the best anything in the game yet she has won three majors.

I don’t like the grunting but I don’t mind it either. I’ve gotten used to it. I think Monica Seles started a trend an now it’s almost normal to hear someone grunt in any women’s match.

But I must say this: right now Wozniacki is right now my new favourtie player on the WTA. And boy, can she play tennis!!! I just hope he nut father doesn’t put her through too many tournaments. We all know what that leads to.


Gordo Says:

Further to Tennis Freak’s comment – because those sets that Fed has lost at wimbledon are so rare, let me list them for you.

In 6 years and now 3 rounds the following, in order, have taken sets off of Fed:

Mardy Fish (3rd Round, 2003- 2nd set) 4-6.
Lleyton Hewitt (Q, 2004 – 2nd set)6-7 (1).
Andy Roddick (F, 2004 – 1st set) 4-6.
Nicolas Keifer (3rd Round, 2005 – 2nd set) 6-7 (5)
Rafael Nadel (F, 2006 – 3rd set) 6-7 (2).
Juan Carlos Ferrero (Q, 2007 – 2nd set) 3-6.
Rafael Nadel (F, 2007 – 2nd set) 4-6, (F, 2007 – 4th set) 2-6.
Rafael Nadal (F, 2007 1st set 4-6; 2nd set 4-6; 5th set 7-9)
And now we can add -
Philipp Kohlschreiber (3rd Round, 2009 – 3rd set) 6-7 (5)

It is interesting to note that Roger has yet to lose as much as a single set in the first, second, fourth or semi-final rounds in over 6 years! We’ll have to see what next week brings.


Tennis Freak Says:

Kohl played a great tennis, making all kinds of seemingly improbable shots, The momentary lapse on Fed’s part may have something to do with it, but Kohl earned that set. Full credit to him. However, as for the momentary lapse, it looked like to me that when Fed slipped at the back of the court, in the 4th game of the 3rd set, he probably thought it’s better to take some extra caution rather than hurt, thus tentativeness in the rest of that set, resulting in 10 UEs. The last set (29 min.) went by as quickly as the 2nd (30 min.), courtesy to Kohl’s 7 UEs (2 double faults) in that set, in comparison to just 2 UEs in the previous.
Over all, good tennis.


Scottish Says:

Fed said it was his best match yet. That’s great! Nice to see him confident and he seemed really happy about his game. He should take care of Soderling on Monday.


Tennis Freak Says:

Thanks Gordo and Kimo. I was thinking the same.


Scottish Says:

56 aces in the Karlovic / Tsonga match and they haven’t even finished the 3rd set.


MMT Says:

Is there a worse player on tour to watch then Ivo Karlovic? I’ve never watched even a full set of any of his matches.


Kimmi Says:

Tsonga is in trouble with Karlovic, 1-2 down. Can he recover ?


Kimmi Says:

You are right MMT, not very intertaining. I am sure no one likes to play him. But nowadays he is getting better, I have seen some nice volleys and great FH winners.


Scottish Says:

Good question Kimmi. I think he can but anything can happen here. Karlo is serving a lot bigger than Tsonga.


Ty Says:

Karlovic would be impossible to beat if he developed a decent return game.


jane Says:

It’s the bounce on Karlovic’s serve, isn’t it? That makes it near impossible to return? Cilic and Delpo are tall too, but their serves aren’t quite as tricky.

I agree that Karlovic has added a little more to his game (volleys etc) but I also agree that his matches, to my mind, are not the most exciting matches to watch because they’re so repetitive.


Scottish Says:

Any predictions or thoughts on the Fish – Djoko game coming up?


Ty Says:

It reminds me of the old wimbledon matches. Ivanisevic was never a ratings graber either although I really liked him as a player.

And how about Philippoussis? Go broke on EVERYTHING.


Ty Says:

I think Fish’s serve on grass gets him at least a set but Djoko is too good to lose to Fish unless he just isn’t there mentally (which we’ve seen a couple times this year).

Djoko in 4 sets.


Fedfan Says:

Fish has a pretty good chance of beating djokovic. I think he will do it.

Fed Tsonga quarters? Should be fun. I just hope its not Ivo. No fun watching him. If NBA players can train and become so athletic at close to 7 feet in height, why can’t Ivo work hard and improve other aspects of his game? I think he is just content with what he has – I am sure he makes a decent living just serving a couple of thousand aces a year. Not a bad way to live. I bet he will go on to doubles once he retires from singles. No reason to stop making $1000 an ace, or whatever he makes (endoresements included).


Scottish Says:

Yeah Karlo has made $230k USD already this year so he’s not hurting. Maybe that’s all he cares about and doesn’t have the drive to go further. One reason I love JDMP is he has that drive, the talent and just needs some experience and better fitness. He’ll get there.


jane Says:

Ivanisevic is a fairly good benchmark for Dr. Ivo, but he had a little more going on and showed a little more charisma. I have nothing against Karlovic. I think he’s tried to improve his game, round it out to be more than just a serve. And he has done that quite successfully. But it’s still predominantly run by that shot. Murray, last year in Cincinatti, was able to neutralize that serve and he won easily in straights. A great returner can beat him. Or it’s down to tiebreaks and a point here or there. Now a tiebreak will decide whether this is over or it goes to a 5th. I’d rather see Tsonga get through but he’s got his work cut out for him.


jane Says:

I see Verdasco lost that fake mohawk hair, thankfully. He gets the winner of this.


Ty Says:

Yeah, I wasn’t a fan of the fohawk myself. But I don’t really approve of the 80′s poof either. He needs to settle on a hairstyle. He also looks like he may have put back on the weight he dropped in the off season.


Kimmi Says:

Wow Karlovic is attacking Tsonga second serve…c’mon Tsonga.


Ty Says:

Ummm… what was the celebration dance?


Scottish Says:

Rats, Tsonga gone. Can Karlo take out Verdasco too?


jane Says:

Ha ha – Karlovic did a little victory dance, or something, a la Tsonga. Kind of neat to see him show a little personality and joy. He certainly has the right kind of game for this surface. That’s a good win for him and I think this is the deepest he’s gone at Wimbledon now.

Sad to see Tsonga out though.


MMT Says:

Ivanisevic, as big as his serve was, was a MUCH better player than Karlovic. Although he depended on his serve, his record is quite strong.

His record was far superior on grass for obvious reasons, but it’s worth noting that he reached 4 finals there (more than Edberg, Stich and Krajicek) and won once. But he also reached the QF at ALL 4 slams, including one semi-final at the US Open in 1996.

His highest career ranking was #2 in 1994 and won 22 tour titles on ALL 4 surfaces. This of players he beat in tournament finals is illustrious:

Sampras
Edberg
Change
Muster
Kafelnikov
Rafter

Karlovic doesn’t even come close. I’m sure he’s a nice guy and has worked very hard to develop his game, but I still can’t stand watching him play and wouldn’t do it even if I were paid.


jane Says:

Ty, yeah Tobasco’s “feathered” hair, like Matt Dillon late 70s, isn’t exactly vogue either. Maybe he should talk to Roger about where he gets his hair done. Or something.

Scottish, I do think Dr. Ivo can take out Verdasco. If he serves like that what can you do? It puts a lot of pressure back on the opponent’s serve. The key is to win the tiebreaks, look for one minibreak. That’s what it comes down to unless Dr. Ivo gives more looks on second serves.


jane Says:

Okay now ESPN is discussing the passing of M. Jackson. I mean, it’s a surprise and all, but isn’t this tennis?


Ty Says:

Oh no, williams doubles.


Ty Says:

Someone call Vodo and let him know to turn on his DVR


huh Says:

In 08 cincinnati Karlovic was serving much much better in the match vs Fed in comparison to his match vs Murray. That’s why Murray beat him. Had Ivo served against Murray the way he did vs Fed there, then it’d have been much tougher for Murray to beat Ivo


huh Says:

Mrs Jane, finally with regards to the Fed-Kohls match, my assessment proved more accurate than yours. I know that regardless of what you think,Kohl’s a good player whom I love to watch and he’s more than capabl of takin a set or 2 off anyone in the top-4.


jane Says:

That’s true huh, but Murray is not the best returner in the world for nothing. I think he may’ve had something to do with neutralizing Dr. Ivo’s serve and game in that match. Murray, right now, is at the top of 3/4 return stats and is 2nd behind Nadal only in returning 2nd serves.


Ty Says:

Jeez, there are a lot of pretty girl on the WTA. Great legs.


jane Says:

huh, I’d say Fed still won quite easily wouldn’t you? That was my assessment and I’ll stick by it. Kohls got one set in a tiebreak, but the other three were dominated by Fed.


Tennis Freak Says:

huh,
I responded to your humor yesterday. Check that out. It’s in the other thread, I guess.


Kimmi Says:

Good start from Cilic. Haas is 0-3 down. C’mon haas…


Scottish Says:

Yeah overall Fed won quite well. In fact the first set could have gone 6-1 but Kohl pulled a few out. Didn’t really seem like Fed was in any real trouble.


jane Says:

Fish’s serve is mega.


tenisbebe Says:

“In 08 cincinnati Karlovic was serving much much better in the match vs Fed in comparison to his match vs Murray. ” Very true – don’t have the stats at hand but as I recall his serving vs Murray wasn’t anywhere near what it was the day before vs Fed.


tenisbebe Says:

Solid start for Mardy. FYI – Cahill picked Fish for the upset over Novak. He also picked Hewitt over Delpo pre-match. Hmmmmmm.


jane Says:

Hi tenisbebe! I said hi to you on the ladies thread. As I mentioned to huh, that is indeed true and I checked. Karlovic served 22 aces vs. Fed and only 6 vs. Murray. He still got a lot of first serves in but he did serve better against Fed.


Kimmi Says:

At the moment overall..murray has a better return stats than federer.


jane Says:

Todd Martin also picked Fish over Djoko, and Djoko himself almost picked Fish over him -lol.


Pro_B Says:

question people, i’m a recent tennis enthusiast…if this guy karlovic can serve out aces at will, HOW the hell come he hasn’t won more major tournaments?


jane Says:

Kimmi, if we go by stats, Murray is quite far above Fed in returns; Fed’s not even in the top ten in 3 of the 4 categories. However, Fed is better in service categories than Murray. So they certainly make an interesting match up.


Scottish Says:

To me you need more than one trick in the bag. I think it was Jane the mentioned he has tried to improve more aspects of his game but it’s still his serve that is his key. When he comes up with guys like Murray and even Fed who have so many options he can falter. Also, if he has a bad service day then he’s done.


Kimmi Says:

Fish is serving big, but i don’t know if he can keep this up. Djoko is waiting for the second serves

Haas is struggling with Cilic..


tenisbebe Says:

Hi Jane – I will look at the other thread. Yes – it could be argued that Murray was returning better, hence the lower number of aces from Ivo during that tournament but as I recall, his placement wasn’t near as dangerous (vs Murray).

Pro_B – his ground game is not that great – he is known to rely heavily on his serve, therefore, if it’s off, he loses alot.


Scottish Says:

Jane, there is also the mental part of the game to win points that really count. You get the sense though that Murray’s time is coming. Fed is looking pretty hot though. If Fed makes it to the final against Murray it’s the mental part of the game that might win it for him. Also today he served some incredible serves when his neck was on the line. The stat I didn’t like today form Fed was only 6 of like 17 or so break conversions. Didn’t he lose to Nadal in a slam last year with a 1/19 break point conversion?


Ty Says:

Tough game. I smell the break coming.


huh Says:

Mrs Jane, finally with regards to the Fed-Kohls match, my prediction proved more accurate than yours. I know that regardless of what you think,Kohl’s a good player whom I love to watch and he’s more than capabl of takin a set or 2 off anyone in the top-4.


Ty Says:

That was in the 2006 French Open final I believe Scottish. To me, that was his best chance to beat Nadal.


Fedfan Says:

There are a lot of matches to go before a Fed-Murray final. Somehow, I don’t see Murray reaching the final – someone will get him next week (I think he will win tomorrow though).


jane Says:

Scottish that’s true; you always make good sense. Fed has the experience and is perhaps the mentally toughest guy around (though Rafa may have him beat ;)). Fed’s also an excellent clutch server. I think Fed’s still one of the best servers around, but if Murray can neutralize that and run Fed around a little bit, he might have a shot.

But let’s just wait – they’d both have to get there first.

———————————————

Kohls just knocked out Djoko at the French huh. So I agree with you. I said on the other thread to tennis freak that the fact that Kohls, who is ranked 32nd, can take a set off Fed on grass or knock out Djoko on clay just goes to show how many talented players there are in men’s tennis!


Kimmi Says:

Yes, Haas breaks back


RZ Says:

I don’t see the Hewitt win over Del Potro as such a stunner. Sure, DelPo has been playing great lately, but his record at Wimbledon is nothing to speak of. In the meantime, Hewitt is a former Wimby champ, a former #1 player, someone who knows how to grind out a tough win, and a player who’s won at least one title in something like 11 of the last 12 years.


Scottish Says:

Jane, even though I’m Scottish (have lived in Canada for most of my life) I don’t like Murray. Maybe I haven’t given him enough of a chance but he seems way too smug to me. One of the commentators said (to my surprise) that even a lot of Brits don’t like him. You would think that Murray would have the crowd against Fed but Fed has so many fans you never know. Yes I agree they still need to get there. I don;t see Murray having much trouble but Djoko could take out Fed if he has the grass match of his life.


Kimmi Says:

Fish baseline game is bad…he should try to get to the net as much as he can…

Great set by Djoko. Fish 50% first set is not good enough. needs to serve better.


Ty Says:

Yeah that Haas-Cilic match is going 5. No doubt about it.


Scottish Says:

Haas is back but Robredo is down 2 sets. What’s with that?


MMT Says:

“The stat I didn’t like today form Fed was only 6 of like 17 or so break conversions. Didn’t he lose to Nadal in a slam last year with a 1/19 break point conversion?”

In fact this has been the major problem in Fed’s game for the last 18 months. Today he won 7 of 22 break chances against Kohlschreiber.

Last year, in the final against Nadal he won just 1 out of 13 break chances.

In Australia he was just 6 of 19, and many of those break chances were in the sets he lost.

This is a big reason why I feel that Murray has the best chance to win Wimbledon this year, so far he broke Gulbis 5 of 7 chances and Kendrick 4 of 8.


Kimmi Says:

i meant to say..50% first serve.


huh Says:

tennisbebe, exactly what you said! Karlovic’s placement of serves in the match against Murray was nowhere near the placement of serve in his match vs
Fed in cincinnati 08.
You just took my words, like that! ;)


tenisbebe Says:

Whoo hoo – Haas broke again! Go Tommy!


SG Says:

Fed’s tournament to lose for sure. He’s brimming with confidence. He’s on a surface he loves. There’s no Rafa to concern himself with. I don’t believe Murray possesses the necessary firepower to hurt Fed on grass. To beat Federer on grass you need to be at least one of the following two things:

1) A healthy Rafa
2) A Sampras playing very well

Don’t see any of these types in the draw. Fed may tie (…and possibly surpass) Sampras’ 7 W’s at this rate. Murray needs to add a weapon. If you could give Murray Djoko’s forehand, he’d be really cooking.

Also, I don’t see how Murray won’t be affected by the “hometown” pressure if he reaches the final.


jane Says:

Scottish, I also live in Canada and am married to a Scot. But unlike you l like Murray; I like the way he thinks on the court and the variety he brings to the game. I took to him years ago when he was still losing a lot. Who knows why we like who we like; sometimes it has nothing to do with the tennis hey? Anyhow, I hope we just see some great matches.

Cilic is looking pretty good in his last two slams. I think next year he could be a force. Just cut down on the errors. But he has a quiet focus to him and a lot of game. He moves more smoothly than JMDP I think.


Scottish Says:

I guess there are a few ways to look at the break chances. Obviously Fed gave himself more chances which means he is playing well but yeah against Nadal and Murray and the top guns he has to improve that stat if he is going to win more. No question Nadal was in Fed’s head. Not sure about Murray. Time will tell.


SG Says:

Scottish or not, Murray will be eaten alive by the British Press if he gets to the finals. Wouldn’t suprise if what Fed would see is just a pile of bones on the other side of the net.


Ty Says:

Looks like Djoko is pretty focused today. That is very bad news for Fish as I think his only chance was a lapse in concentration/confidence by Djokovic.


Tennis Freak Says:

Early symptoms are not good for Mardy. It might get worse. The Serb starts strong by breaking in the opening game of 2nd set and holds on his own to lead with a set and break.
If Mardy does not improve on his 1st set stat (3 aces, 80% out of 50% 1st Serve In), the Serb will have straight set win quickly.


Scottish Says:

SG: the hometown pressure is definitely a factor and after ALL the pressure on Fed at the FO I’m sure Fed will be glad for the pressure to be on Murray.


Kimmi Says:

Djocko playing very well today…

Haas first set..yeah


Ty Says:

Robredo is going to come back and win.


Scottish Says:

Jane, my dislike for Murray has nothing to do with his tennis and I think he definitely will be a great player for years to come. It’s his off court way about him I don’t like. I definitely lean towards people who’s personality and character I like. If I’m going to cheer for someone I like to cheer for someone who I like as a person. But like I said maybe I need to give him more of a chance.


jane Says:

Looks like Roberto doesn’t want “Dudi” to “steal his car” to borrow a line from staff. Looks like he should take the 3rd set.

I don’t want to jinx it, but yes, it looks like Djoko has started strong today, less errors and nice serving.


Tennis Freak Says:

A double break for Djok, a set and 4-0 lead in the 2nd? Where are those pundits who picked Mardy?
In my math last night, it was 66%-33% in Djok’s favor (check above).


huh Says:

Mrs. Jane, Fed was pushed to four sets and yet he seemed happy with his performance, that must tell something about how good a player Kohl is! Not a GS contender but exciting player.
Hence your prediction- he mayn’t take even a set off Fed, was strange.


Ty Says:

Jane: Thanks to coming to this website for the past 3 years I can no longer look at Dudi’s name without thinking of that movie. The same goes for “hot sauce” verdasco.


tenisbebe Says:

huh – yeah, I was about 8 rows up for both matches on the north/south ends so you could clearly see where his serves were landing. I must admit, I was thankful Andy took Ivo out last year – not a fan of the “big guy”.


Kimmi Says:

Mcenroe on BBC feed is saying..Djokovic is back and he is sending the message to the rest of the field.


jane Says:

huh, my dear, you do go on and on about the same thing now don’t you? Anyhow, my reasoning for feeling it would be a “fairly” easy win for Fed was that in their 3 previous matches, 2 of which I believe were played on grass at Halle, Kohls had never taken a set from him. Today, however, Kohls proved that past statistics and matches don’t mean that much; they can change. AND, as I already said above, I agree with you that Kohls is talented. Sheesh.

——————————

Tennis Freak, Djoko has been up and down on form this year, and has lapses in many of his matches. So that’s why the pundits were predicting as they were. We’ll see if Djoko can hold on. He already lost one break in this second set.


Shaky Says:

Fish needs to be at net every point at this stage. He keeps fighting there’s no reason he can’t get back in this match and make it respectable.


Shaky Says:

“Mcenroe on BBC feed is saying..Djokovic is back and he is sending the message to the rest of the field.”

This is actually why I dislike McEnroe as an analyst. I’d rather Novak were up 2 sets and a break before he pronounced him a contender again. Because as good as Novak was up to this point, he’s not quite in the clear yet. Finish the second first, please.


Fedfan Says:

An interesting stat – Number of players with at least 30 match wins in each of the 4 slams (open era) during their whole career? 4 – Lendl, Agassi, Federer, Edberg.

No of players with at least 40 match wins in each slam? 2 – Lendl, Agassi. Federer has 39 wins at the French, so he should be there next year.

No. of players with more than 50 match wins in each slam? Zero. Federer will breach 50 in AO, Wimbledon, and US (most likely) by end of next year. French will take another year at least.


huh Says:

B.t.w. no reason to put down Ivo by calling him boring to watch. And my reply to MMT’s,
actually guys like Gulbis who’re not consistent even in aspect of their strengths bore me much more than Ivo, who at least holds on well to his strengths (i.e.S&V).


jane Says:

Djoko, as I’ve mentioned before, needs to work on his net game. Hire a volley coach or something. It could really make his game easier.


Scottish Says:

In general it seems Djoko doesn’t have that many fans. Not just here at Wimbly but in general. Often the crowd cheers for his opponent. Does that seem accurate?


Shaky Says:

The only message I’m seeing here is that Fish can’t help but give up every other point on an unforced error. I think Fish had 5 unforced errors in that last Novak game alone, and I don’t think they had a rally over 10 strokes.

Painful match to watch, imo.


Ty Says:

Contrary to all puns and evolutionary better judgement, Fish needs to get in the net as much as possible.


jane Says:

Scottish, it may well be. As everyone here know, I am a Djoko supporter; I love his game and I think his personality is refreshing. I am also a diehard underdog supporter, for whatever reason. I think on clay Djoko received a lot of support because crowds often like to see an underdog win and Rafa was such an overwhelming favorite.

Shaky, from Fish perspective yeah: even steven with 19 UEs to 20 winners; Djoko has 9 UEs to 25 winners. The other important stat is the second serve. Djoko wins most of those points as well.

Wow – KUDOS to Roddick for winning his 100th GS singles match. That’s a nice milestone.


jane Says:

Ty, you’re a witty one.


Shaky Says:

“Contrary to all puns and evolutionary better judgement, Fish needs to get in the net as much as possible.”

Are you trying to say Fish doesn’t have the consistent groundstroke game to play with Novak 5 feet beyond the baseline?

Because I totally disagree with you. 100%.


huh Says:

Ha ha ha, Fish for tiffin, Fish for tiffin,
Fish for tiffin !!!


Kimmi Says:

Haas two sets to love..yeah !


huh Says:

Mrs. Jane, I can still go on and on and on and on and on if you wish…. ;) But I leave the matter now. Here’s a smile for you. :)


MMT Says:

huh: The reason I said he’s boring to watch is because I find him boring to watch. That’s purely a matter of opinion. I didn’t say he’s not a successful player – he has after all gone from a qualifier in 2003 to the 22nd seed today.

That said, watching man play tennis is far from please to me. I just can’t stand how often his points end in either another ace or some really sloppy looking error that you don’t see a lot of players making as often as he does. To be honest, his disposition is not particularly compelling either. It looks like he’s annoyed any time any one of his shots, no matter how ill advised or poor his execution is, hasn’t gone in or been successful.

In any case, I still can’t stand watching him play, and I feel his a bit of a sideshow in tennis, and not the real deal. I don’t learn almost anything from watching him play, and this contributes to making me feel that I have wasted my time.


MMT Says:

P.S. I only enjoy watching guys like Gulbis when he’s playing well – when he plays like he did yesterday against Murray, which Murray had a lot to do with, BTW – it’s unbearable.


scineram Says:

Why did Haas and Cilic not switch sides after the second set?


jane Says:

huh, thanks and one right back : )

You know, I had to look up the word “tiffin” – had never before heard that used.


SRM Says:

What’s up with the first serve % in Hass Vs Cilic match.

Hass – 54% (47/87)
Cilic – 49% (39/39)

Cilic needs to improve his first serve if he wants to win.


jane Says:

Could Mardy be a little tired? It seems like fitness may be an issue, as he doesn’t look super fresh. Anyhow, it’s too bad, as it definitely could have been a tighter match so far, with Mardy’s talent.

“Dudi”!! He won.


Ty Says:

Dudi just made off like a bandit. He may not be able to find his car but he damn sure found his game. I figured RObredo would come back for sure. Oh well, another day another Robredo loss in a big event.


huh Says:

MMT, even I don’t think or has ever thought Ivo to be a real deal.
Despite so much love for him, I don’t want him to win the next match coz there’s a chance that if Fed goes past Soderling, he’d have to face Karlovic then. Oh My God, Nooooooo…!!!!!!!


Kimmi Says:

What is up with fish, can’t keep the ball on court. Very poor perfomance, credit to djoko for moving him around.


jane Says:

Cilic has a good lead in the 4th now, but I wonder if he can hold onto it?


tenisbebe Says:

MMT – I agree re: Ivo. He’s either serving his head off (from which I can learn little as I am not 6-8) and/or making a ton of bonehead errors. Either way, the matches tend not to have any rhythm and are painful for me to watch. It is what it is huh.


Ty Says:

Very poor quality matches today. Luckily Cili-Hass is going 5 sets so hopefully ESPN will pick it up.


huh Says:

Kohl is ranked 27.


SRM Says:

huh, why do you want to go that far and be afraid of Ivo. He can’t be serving that well day in day out and remember this is the best of 5 set tournament. The only person who beat Federer in this format was Nadal for last 3 years. So bottom line, it could be a tight match but I think Federer will come out as the winner.


jane Says:

Yay Djoko!!!! phew. Bye Mardy – good run; stay and cheer on Roddick.

26 winners to 28 errors for Fish; 31 winners to 15 errors from Djok. He played the cleaner match. Plus he protected his second serve more effectively. Really, those two things made the difference, because Mardy’s serve is great. He shouldn’t've stayed back quite so much though.


Kimmi Says:

John Mc enroe say Djokovic now is the contender for this title.

Impressive display for Djoko today and goes thru to the R16 to play Sela. What a dream draw for djokovic


jane Says:

huh, Kohls may be seeded 27 at Wimbledon, but his current ATP singles ranking is 32.


huh Says:

I knew that Djoko’d win the match easily.


jane Says:

Kimmi, Haas could trouble Djoko if he gets through. But this was the match I was worried about. I just want Djoko to get to the quarters, and after that it’s gravy.

Cilic really came back in that third.


tenisbebe Says:

Jane – congrats! Impressive play from Novak today and he’s got a great draw to boot. What a difference a year makes, eh?


Kimmi Says:

Yes jane, even though Fish is “hit and miss”, Djoko played very consistent and aggressive. I think this is his best match so far.

If he carries on this way, he has a chance to go all the semi and then who knows. he won the last 2 matches he played with fed so I say you never know.


Kimmi Says:

Haas really good at the net. Great play. Love it. C’mon finish him.


huh Says:

Haas may be already tired from today’s match and so he may not remain in a position to pose any sort of challenge to Djoko. Even if JMac’d not have said, it’d not have changed the fact that Djoko’s one of the top faves for Wim title.


Scottish Says:

Djoko isn’t afraid of Fed and he isn’t awe’d by him so he has that in good stead. Still lots of good tennis left though. Djoko definitely does seem to have an easier draw so all is up in the air.

Glad you are a Djoko fan Jane, my comment was more an observation in general. It seems he gets less attention and support than the other top guys. JMDP seems to get more praise and kudos than Djoko.


Scottish Says:

huh, don’t all the guys today get a break until Monday? Should be enough time to recoup from today’s matches no?


Scottish Says:

Murray is playing Troicki tomorrow who is now playing in the 4rth set of doubles. Should be an easy win for Murray in straight sets.


SRM Says:

A question from Federer’s Interview.

“In a few weeks, Nelson Mandela is going to be honored in our country. Could you comment about your thoughts on him and your meeting him?”

What does this question have anything to do with today’s match.

Sometimes these media people have no clue what to ask.


tenisbebe Says:

What about them asking Serena if she had ever done the moonwalk?


jane Says:

Scottish, I think Djoko has burned a few bridges, but he’s young and I think he’s learning. His off court interview, right after the match today,was quite gracious. Deep down I believe he’s a nice kid. His parents are quite intense and maybe that has/had an effect on him. But now he’s maturing and out on his own. One thing about Vjada that’s positive is that his calm more jovial demeanour may balance the intensity of Djok’s parents. But sometimes I wonder if Marion could be tougher. I dunno.

Just hoping he finds some consistent form this season, really.

———————————–
Haas is ram-jamming the net!!! LOL. Players who might face him should go to the practice courts now and practice passing shots for about 3-4 hours. : )


SRM Says:

A comment on BBC website about Federer.

“You are going down murray will beat you, Novak will beat you and you will never get that #5 title cause u suck, seriously, and you know it
Posted By Maja, CA on Fri Jun 26 2009 12:10:05 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)”

Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed :-)

Here is the link.
http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/players/overview/atpf324.html


jane Says:

Cilic vs. Haas is getting exciting. I like both of them. But I have to say, every time I watch Cilic, I like him a little more.

Tommy is playing bravely.


Kimmi Says:

I tell you, Haas will be difficult to play anybody. Djocko, Federer name it. He is serving big and his serve and volley is very pleasing.


Ty Says:

“Ty Says:

Yeah that Haas-Cilic match is going 5. No doubt about it.

Posted June 26th, 2009 at 1:19 pm”

:)


Kimmi Says:

Well well well, Six straight point in the tiebreak for Cilic. Too bad for Haas, the serve and volley did not work. I hope he can recover, because he had two match points. Starting to looks like the match against federer in Paris here.


Ty Says:

Ok why are they in the studio when there is a match on?


Scottish Says:

What’s with Haas? Didn’t he go up 2 sets on Fed at the FO and lose 3 straight? Seems like me might do that here.


Dan Martin Says:

Djokovic was always a contender for the 2009 Wimbledon title – 2007 semifinalist, 2008 runner-up at Queen’s and 2009 runner-up at Halle, #4 in the world and has won a 2 week event in his career. He’s a contender.


Ty Says:

Ahhh, come on Haas. Wipe that stupid look of Carillo’s face.


Tennis Freak Says:

Cilic finally downs Haas.


Kimmi Says:

Haas is lost it. Why oh why! Pull yourself together Haas


Sean Randall Says:

Tommy Haas, header for yet another implosion! Unreal.


jane Says:

Cilic – quietly determined still. He’s never come back from two sets down, they said, but it looks like he has a very good chance to do so here. I agree Kimmi; it’s beginning to look a little like the FO match. However, it’s only 1 break so who knows? Tommy may still get it back.


Tennis Freak Says:

Looks like it is a FO repeat for Haas, with 2 sets and 2 match points disappearing. Cilic, with a 3-0 lead in the 5th, is headed to advance. Feel sorry for Sara and Haas.


jane Says:

I think it was Wertheim who picked Cilic to get through to the semis and meet Roger.


Ty Says:

Everyone quickly think about Haas breaking back… focus your mental energy


jane Says:

Ty, musta worked.


Tennis Freak Says:

Haas takes break and is back.


jane Says:

Into the gloaming we go…


Kimmi Says:

Ty..he has just done that. IT WOOOORKS !!


Shaky Says:

Tommy is a fighter. I like where this set is going: even if he has another mini-meltdown, at least I’ll get to watch him dropkick a linesman or something. :)

Great tennis.


Tennis Freak Says:

The crowd is going crazy. Sara is all pumped up. Excitement continues.


Ty Says:

Yes… look at that. The power of the human psyche.


Kimmi Says:

Cilic is a fighter, great play.


Kimmi Says:

Haas is just so unpredictable..now he gives away a break point. OK Cilic, now serve for it please. Great job.


jane Says:

Cilic! He got another break. So focused. And moves so well for his height. I like him – this is the second thriller he’s offered us in a row. Can he stay calm and serve it out?? Tough to say!


Dan Martin Says:

Crazy match and I have a feeling that this already strange tournament may have a really shocking finale as someone could be holding that trophy on the final Sunday that no one really expected. Of course form is what people would bet, but my feeling is that this could get even more strange.


jane Says:

Cilic showing nerves now. And Tommy has a break points. Sheesh! “Thriller”.


Kimmi Says:

Aaahh, can you believe it, Haas survive another game. Who is man enough to win this ?


Kimmi Says:

Two more game? did I hear right ?


jane Says:

And the men opt for more twilight. Momentum is with Haas here.


jane Says:

Cilic holds on … wow. Gloam coming on strong. When will they stop? 6 All?


Kimmi Says:

Now Haas need to make it even. Can he do it ?


Shaky Says:

You know, it’s a shame that wimbledon is such a small tournament. If only they could afford modern lights on center and 1st/2nd courts for these kinds of situations.

I know I wasn’t the only person who felt the nadal/federer match last year should have been suspended at the 10 game mark. They each whiffed/mis-hit a number of balls late.


Ty Says:

Nice serve Tommy!!


Ty Says:

Ouch… ripped that one.


jane Says:

Players look blue – they’ll have to stop soon. 2nd match point for Cilic.


Ty Says:

If I were Tommy I would stop right here at MP.


jane Says:

Thriller .. a tribute to MJ. lol.


Kimmi Says:

Haas…very brave


Ty Says:

Well, that was a really good last game. I will always like Haas, he is a fighter when he isn’t mentally flailing about.

I also like Cilic, I remember his reaction to a win last year was just amazing.


jane Says:

6 All in the 5th. Sheesh! Be nice, as Shaky said, if they had LIGHTS. Or begin before 1:00 pm for crying out loud. This is the second match of Haas’ that has been suspended. And it’s often the lower ranked guys who have to play last.


Kimmi Says:

Well, If there was a draw, then this match deserves it. Wow..Let the best one man win tomorrow.


Tennis Freak Says:

Congrats to both. They should have stopped at 5-5 if they were not going to finish.


Kimmi Says:

I like Haas too and I hope he gets it tomorrow. Cilic will have more chances. Haas is 31 for crying out loud.


jane Says:

“Haas is 31 for crying out loud.”

LOL


Shaky Says:

I cannot believe that they played those last 4 games. Someone really needs to play the jerk there and just say “I really won’t play anymore right now.” Or abuse the rules and call for a trainer or something.

In a game where picking up the ball’s flight and spin as early as possible is so critical, it’s kind of a shame when it becomes a game of “who has eyes that better adjust to conditions of near-total darkness.” I don’t think this should factor in to match outcomes.

This would be like, once the 5th set started, feeding both players a bowl of extremely spicy chili on every changeover, and seeing who can better adjust to explosive indigestion. That’s the best analogy I can come up with, because whether you can see the ball in the dark better should play as much a role in the outcome as whether you’re bashful about ripping a loud one in a silent auditorium.

Let’s have an x-blog post about who we think would adjust best to uncomfortable gas. I’d go with Marcelo Rios, he always looked like he smelled something funny anyways.


Ty Says:

I hope I’m in that good of shape when I’m over 30. Did you see those abs? lol.


Shaky Says:

As far as the match goes, I would pick Cilic since he gets to serve first the rest of the way, but the fact that he gave back a break twice in that final set (and once on a double fault) makes me think Haas has a better than even chance.

I’m gonna go Haas, 10-8.


Ty Says:

Shaky: lol. I smell a sitcom.


scineram Says:

Cilic aced on the breakpoint. He did not challenge somehow.


huh Says:

The match of the tournament upto now’s Haas vs. Cilic. Hats off to these two guys! It’s so sad that someone’s to lose tomorrow in this match. Emotions aside, I think Haas comes through. But cilic winning it’d make Wim more intriguing.


SRM Says:

I follow two other tennis forums and there did not seem to be any interest/activity about Haas vs. Cilic match.

I guess people here are real tennis fans for watching/discussing an exciting match. For now on, I am going to stick to this forum. :-)

And may the best man win tomorrow !! (I will be supporting Cilic though)


huh Says:

If we’re to go by this year’s trends, the faves have less chance of winning a slam. Here Fed’s the fav, but I don’t see him as the last man standing…. And most importantly, I also feel (being nervous) like Fed may go out earlier than or in semi.


scineram Says:

Which ones? Menstennis? Talktennis?


jane Says:

SRM, Welcome. I like any good tennis match but so many forums and blogs seem to attract fans or have articles on only the top guys, and mostly the top two! This site is great because although the majority of the posters are either Federer or Nadal fans, many remain tennis fans foremost.


SRM Says:

jane, Thanks for your comment. From what I have read the past 2 weeks on this website, posters seem to be very wise and discuss the topics with reason.


huh Says:

Mrs. Jane, I’m starting to feel scared by the way Djoko’s giving hints of his mindset for this championship. He strangely sounds to me like he’s pretty focussed and’s neither overconfident nor freaked out. I’m kinda feelin he’d do better than Murray here.


margot Says:

sean randall: re media and USO am really surprised, was it same when Sampras was king?
Cilic v Haas brilliant match, love Cilic even though he gifted first set to Haas.
jane: a Novak v Andy final- wouldn’t that be luverleee?!!


jane Says:

huh, you think so? I don’t know. But I will be happy if he gets to quarters and thrilled if he goes beyond that.

margot – Luverleeee indeed: I would “dance all night” if that came to pass. : )

Since it’s tangentially relevant, here’s Djoko imitating Michael Jackson at the Monte Carlo player party – dancing to “Thriller” – for anyone who wants to have a look/listen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-T5qnm6lXM&feature=related


Mina Says:

Poor Haas had to have his match suspended until the next day again. Why can’t Wimby install lights?


Ty Says:

Jane: Wow, I had no idea he could do that. I think I just weirdly gained a little bit more respect for him.


tenisbebe Says:

It’s only fitting that the match ended a draw and will resume tomorrow. I for one am glad Wimby and the FO do not have lights & that AO and USO do – gives these slams their uniqueness.


Von Says:

Tenisbebe: Hello there, am I glad to see you back! Stick around will ya.
________________
margot: The USO has never shown the hype for any of our players that we’re seeing for Murray from the British. And, people talk about the ‘ugly’ Americans? There really isn’t a comparison, trust me.
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TY: This isn’t a knock on Djokovic, but there really isn’t anything special about his impression of MJ’s moves.
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Mina: Too bad for Haas, to have to come back again tomorrow. I think Wimby should have stopped the match earlier. It was obvious that they couldn’t finish, so why keep squeezing every bit of light. sheesh.


blah Says:

I actually like Djokovic’s chances too. He needs to get past Cilic or Haas, one who gave him trouble in the u.s. and the latter that just beat him a week ago, but he’s really flying under the radar and I would say of all the people left in the field, has the best grass game next to Federer’s. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him win his second slam here.

I’ve always thought Murray was a bit overrated on clay and grass but he and Roddick are in the easier half, but Murray might run into Gonzo again, unless someone like Simon neutralizes his offensive game and take him out a round early.

I am not sure how many times Federer has dropped a set in wimbledon before the finals but he faced a tough opponent in kohlschrieber, and has to face soderling, then karlovic/verdasco (hopefully Verdasco to see a more exciting match, I don’t think Ivo can keep it up) then probably novak before getting into the finals. (And as someone mentioned,Ivo is like a poor poor poor man’s Goran, except worse.)

The Haas Cilic match was a nice surprise. It’s rare to see serve and volley and I’ll enjoy any match with some net points, not to mention the ups and downs and the quality of the match was good in itself.


tenisbebe Says:

Hi Von! Hope all is well with you and yours.


Tennis Freak Says:

Hey Von,
Just wanted to say what’d up and found this excuse.
Ref: “This isn’t a knock on Djokovic, but there really isn’t anything special about his impression of MJ’s moves.”

The impression may have been lame or swell, depending on each viewer, but it is fitting to reminisce his effort as a way of paying tribute to the King of Pop who just passed away. And this is what the media was trying to embed in their stories and asked a number of tennis players in the post-match pressers today how they related or what they remembered about him (to tell the world that tennis is not reclusive and it cares about other events, etc.). So you know…


sar Says:

Hi Tennisbebe, glad to see you again.

So Novak made it through past Fish. I thought it would be closer. I see that Kohls took a set of Roger today and I think he fell three times. Karlovic looks deadly.

I was watching the JMcEnroe commentating today. He made a few interesting comments and Kimmi mentioned one/two of them. Here are a few more:
He’s a good kid, He’s the real deal,this is the Djokovic who won the AO. He is imposing he will, if you’re a Djokovic fan you will be very pleased today, he’s brought his A game, everything is working. The Brit commie with him said that Fish was taking a lot of time between points.I think Mc was critical of Fish too about not putting in the effort/work to win these matches.
On the other station Cahill said Djok should beat Sela and that Novak has proven him wrong. I guess Cahill must have picked Fish to win.

They asked Novak about MJ death and that Monte Carlo Thriller dance at his presser today. He said yes, he played him in the skit and they moved on to another question.


tenisbebe Says:

Hi ya Sar. I’ve been playing alot of tennis this spring so less time for blogging. Re JMac’s Novak comment: he imposed his will. That he did! Fish was out of water:)

Tennis Freak says:
“And this is what the media was trying to embed in their stories and asked a number of tennis players in the post-match pressers today how they related or what they remembered about him (to tell the world that tennis is not reclusive and it cares about other events, etc.).”

I think the media didn’t have alot to work with since most of the matches were ho hum – hence the MJ questions. To Serena: “Have you ever done the moonwalk?” & also asked her about Farrah Fawcett!!!! Dumb, dumb, dumb.


Scottish Says:

Hey Von and crowd. Fed looked good today and so did Djoko. Great match between Haas and Cilic. Any idea why they start the matches so late? They could have a whole game done by 1pm. If not get some lights in there. This tournament is really wide open. The draws seem annoying to me. Murray definitely has the easier side. I was hoping for a Fed / JMDP final but oh well. Would like to see a Fed / Roddick final now or maybe Hewitt.

SRM: this blog is definitely the best around. I have enjoyed it since joining at the FO.


Von Says:

Tennis Freak:

As I said, it’s not a knock Djokovic. Sorry for being out of the news loop on what tennis media was trying to portray with respect to the King of Pop. I didn’t know that there was such a Q & A happening with the players after their matches, becase surprise, surprise, I’ve not been able to watch any of the matches, just the last couple of minutes of Haas’ match, and came here looking for results. Which translates to, judging by the comments, I’ll just fast forward some of them when I view the recordings.

I merely thought jane was introducing one of Djokovic’s many talents, as she’s often wont to do, in an effort to reinforce what she perceives to be his wonderful attributes, so my bad. That said, I was merely viewing the video, out of curiosity, which doesn’t happen often, strictly from an artistic viewpoint, and what I saw was not impressive at all. Maybe this will ruffle Jane’s feathers a bit more, but sometimes I just feel the need to be honest and not be a yes person, or be silent. Surely, you of all people, who can’t or won’t hold back, can understand that?

OK, now that’s all been taken care of, I just gotta ask, considering my legal background and the need to investigate and cull pertinent details to make up a profile of an offender,(not that I think of you as that kind of offender, but one just the same re the players), but I’m so darn curious, and yeah, you’ve piqued my curiosity big time, and you have me kinda stumped, which former poster are you incarnate?

Now, I’m basing my answer as to you are incarnate, could you be grendel, who’s somewhat changed his writing style, leaving traces of his British English, e.g., w.r.t., and the carnival, carnivalesque, inside out, rupture within talk, introducing the film dialect, etc., with jane trying to assume the role of Psychiatrist, and or to conquer where others have failed, rising to a challenge? Or are you Kash, that long lost one-time friend with whom I’ve exchanged some very nice posts, but could go off on a tangent if he feels the need to do so, blasting every plyer and naming them as ‘losers, spinless, et al’. Or are you Latent Talent/Fed Ex, with his many aliases, who could be kash also? Or are you just one and the same person embodying all of those characteristics? But what the hell, I just gotta know. So are you going the fess up or come back at me with one of your cryptic answers, that’s reserved for only moi? Whichever action you choose, it’s all fine with me. I did give you an indication from my very first post beginning on Sunday (?) evening, I think, by stating: “we’ve been down this path before”, and I thought you would have picked up on that little hint. If you are grendel, then you’ve become somewhat American overnight in your greeting, ‘hey’. Nahh???? Anyway, kudos to you for throwing me somewhat of a curve ball, but not entirely, because with a little more time, and a lengthier post from you, I’ll arrive at my answer. Now are you going to go for the bait or clam up, either way, and sticking to Tennis, the ball’s now in your court. So take it away baby!


Scottish Says:

tenisbee: I agree the questions they ask the players sometimes are so dumb. I loved Fed’s reply when asked about MJ – “What does that have to do with tennis” LOL. Roddick often gets frustrated at the stupid questions he is asked.


Von Says:

Scottish: “Any idea why they start the matches so late? They could have a whole game done by 1pm. If not get some lights in there.”

I answered this a few days ago replying to a friend on another thread. I think it’s their tradition, once again, in full bloom. They have to have their ‘elevenses’. Oh no, we can’t break into that which is mid-morning snack time around 10:00 am to 11:00 am.; then there’s dinner/supper (may have changed since my time) at around noon. So to me, it’s only logical to start play at 1:00 pm, which allows the HRHs enough time to digest their mid-day meal, and be chauffeured over to Wimby. I mean they’re a very laid back people you know, where nothing’s rushed, and everything is timed just perfectly, with pomp, circumstance, tympanny and cymbal, clashing, clanging and reverberating, culminating with a Royal entrance. LOL. I feel I’m entitled to poke some fun at them, since I was/am one of them. Anyway, that’s the only logical reason I can find for the 1:00 pm start.


Scottish Says:

Ah yes Von, you probably have it right. Being born in Scotland (but raised in Canada from 7) I do remember my grandparent’s routine which rarely ever got changed. And of course the Brits never bow to the whims or fancy of anyone else in the world. :-)


Giner Says:

Colin Says:

“I’m surprised no charming person has pounced on this news about Nadal and said, “There you are – his knee trouble was a fake excuse.”
Actually the two problems may well be related. The genuine knee wear caused him pain and dented his confidence in his ability to move, but for a time he played through the pain. The family worries would make it that much harder to do so.
Despite his ferocious commitment to tennis, mightn’t even Rafa feel it matters less than family?”

I’m sure he welcomes any commiseration he gets, but I doubt it will affect him that much. He is not a kid anymore, he’s a big boy. He completed his rite of passage when he ascended to #1. He doesn’t depend on his parents anymore. He’s grown up. He’s strong mentally, so he won’t allow personal issues to distract him from his game when he’s out on court. You WON’T find him mentioning his parents’ separation as an excuse or factor for losing. He didn’t even mention the knee until some time after losing to Soderling and he denied being tired by all the tennis.

It’s a small setback and one he is used to. He’s confident he’ll be back. Pro-athletes are human just like us, and they are faced with personal issues as well. The good ones learn to deal with it and let it affect them as little as possible.


jane Says:

I think I know who Tennis Freak is /was. But mums the word. It’s up to that poster to decide whether or not to reveal the old poster name. There is probably reasons for or against which is fair enough.

Speaking of, thanks Tennis Freak, for clarifying why/ how Djoko’s dancing was, as I said, “tangentially relevant”.


Von Says:

jane: You should know now that I’ve brought it to light and given you so many clues, plus you’ve also been having so many psych discussions with him, as you have in the past, so it should be a no brainer now. As I asid, I know who he is also, right from the first post, but I just want him to know I know. I don’t get paid for just sitting in an office and looking pretty — I earn the bucks.


jane Says:

I don’t think it’s that person Von (Mr. G). I think he’s gone. I have a different idea.


Von Says:

Scottish: “And of course the Brits never bow to the whims or fancy of anyone else in the world.”

They never do, and they’re a proud/arrogant people. My blood still boils, when I hear the chords of ‘Rule britannia’. There’s a verse in that song, which tells it all, and how they think:

‘Rule Britania!
Britannia rule the waves.
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.’

Can you think of a more pompous/bombastic people? Considering they invented slavery? OY Vey. Lemme outta there!


Tennis Freak Says:

Von,
In the last post, I was not objecting to your not finding anything special about the “impression.” I felt it was not the right occasion and context; so, I provided the context to direct your attention to it. You clarified. End of story.

What’s this incarnation thing? I am absolutely clueless what you are talking about. I started visiting this site right around Madrid and have been reading your posts as well as a few other regulars’ since then. I think I started posting in this site only since FO, so I am a newly born, so no incarnate yet until this one passes away with time. If you are looking for my incarnate, wait until I die. Isn’t that how this incarnation thing works?
It would save your time if you did not indulge in a revenge crusade against those evil spirits that bothered you in the past (as you seem to imply with the term “offenders”). I’d save my creative, fantastic investigation that you purport to undertake with your eagle-legal eye for worthier projects that you, I guess, routinely get at work.
My apology for the confrontational introduction that somehow bruised your sensibility, and my apology to everyone for provocative beginning here. But this should not mean that I’ll discontinue the service of my provocative extravaganza. I’ll try to live up to my name. Nothing personal. If you feel bad about it, I’ll abstain from commenting on your posts. Just let me know.
Peace !


Von Says:

jane: i’m not going to say anything more, but I suppose you’re aware he’ll zap you any time, as the need arises, and has already sone so. For me, it’s hands off. I could sum up the inside out rupture within, carnival/carnivalesque talk as: Patients presents, etcetera, etcetera etcetera, but I’m not going there. You guys need to talk simple English for the other ESL posters to understand or find your own chat room as you’ve done in the past. There, I’ve given some more hints.


jane Says:

Tennis Freak, I thought you told someone you used to post here under another user name? That’s what got me wondering. Maybe I am mistaken.

Von, that was a little conversation, which I thought was for fun. If others don’t want, they certainly don’t have to read it. It was about tennis, only we were using literary analytical terms to go about it. No harm done.


Von Says:

Tennis Freak:

Sorry, my bad, if you’re not a voice from the past, and thanks for the reply. If you’re new, then welcome! But I gotta say it was a helluva grand entrance don’t you think? I mean you mowed down the whole ATP mens tour, their efforts, accomplishments, et al., in one fell swoop in just a few sentences. As I said the scrivener’s pen, (now computer keyboard) what beauty and pain can be wrought from such a tool.

Please don’t abstain from commenting on my posts, but puhlease do it with a bit more gentleness and less venom. You see I have this little problem, despite my at times, bold writing, I’m just a very sensitive little gal who can pump out the water like your fave, Federer, but despite it all, I do like to air my views and I do try very hard not to deliberately offend anyone. Believe me, I don’t enjoy confrontations, but when my back’s against the wall, watch out, I’ll retaliate. All in all, I think I’m just a nice lady trying to talk tennis and mix in with the masses and classes, people from all walks of life, and it ain’t easy. That said, carry on, but do so with more panache and less spitting of nails.

PS: I don’t like to engage in vengeful pursuits. I find them to be time wasting and unproductive, but sometimes it’s necessary to take a stand. Do I enjoy them, hell no.


Tennis Freak Says:

Jane,
I never did that. I never said that.
Once again, my apology for sounding like some offenders of the past. Let’s put a final period to this, which is completely irrelevant to tennis.


jane Says:

No worries Tennis Freak. Let’s stick to the tennis. You have lots of ideas about it that I enjoy hearing and some perhaps not so much – which is great! More spice is nice. See ya later.


Von Says:

jane: “It was about tennis, only we were using literary analytical terms to go about it. No harm done.”

Remmeber there are ESL posters posting here, and if you didn’t notice, the whole bloody thread was shut down due to the analytical terms. Maybe you like that kind of talk, would you like me to write some legal and psych terms here, you’d be floundering, and that’s what I mean. Is it hysterical blindness we’re embarking upon or trying to derive? I’m hip to those analytical terms and I can very well use them, but they ain’t necessary — let’s have some consideration for those who are ESL posters. How about talking tennis with simple language. It can be done without trying to impress anyone.


jane Says:

Von, you’ve used said psych terms in the past. As I said, no harm was done by mine and TF’s talk and if the moderators of the site have something to say then fine. But it was brief and fine and we weren’t trying to impress one another. From my perspective it was playful.


jane Says:

Also, there were 95 posts on the thread so I don’t think Tennis Freak and I shut it down. We exchanged only about 3 posts each using any kind of jargon; otherwise the posts consisted of plain langauge.


Fedfan Says:

This thing about playing in bad light cost Federer the title last year. If you can’t see, its random then. It just helped Nadal, just by chance.
they really need to pull up the umpires and reprimand them for this


Tennis Freak Says:

It is not that I memorized tennis history and stats in a couple of months. For quite some time now, I have been affiliated with the Men’s Tennis Forum and Tennis Planet, if you have heard of them.

Back to tennis, i.e. back to Federer for me. In the presser today, Fed sounded apprehensive of the upcoming match with Soderling, “Now he’s also got the taste of beating the top players. That only makes him more dangerous.”
I could not resist thinking of of a cub after his first taste of blood, of his first quarry. All I can say is go Sod and bring out the best of the Swiss maestro.


Von Says:

jane: I’m talking AFTER that last post, we or more I, began posting on the other thread out of frustration, and some others followed suit.

If you call that exchange playful, I’m sorry, you are even more blinded than I think. Anyway, let’s follow Tennis Freak’s advice and put a period to this topic. BTW, in the past I probably used a few psych terms but they weren’t used in several posts culminating in discussions with another poster, and there’s the big difference. I’m done with this topic.

And, Tennis Freak, you’re correct, you never mentioned who you were and it’s why I was a bit baffled, but not anymore.

Yes, I’ve heard of Tennis Planet and I, at times, visit that site, but I never post there because it’s predominantly a Federer fan base.

I don’t think Soderling will win, and Federer knows this. They all try to mess with the other’s head and lure them into a false sense of security. Djokovic’s doing an excellent job of playing the mind game, where he’s portraying himself as this guy who doesn’t have a prayer, and probably simultaneously laughing at the press for having successully deceived them? As for Fed v. Soderling, what better way to beat your foe and take him off his pedestal by a surprise attack, after lulling him into thinking you’re impressed with his accomplishments think he’s so masterful. LOL.


Von Says:

Giner: “Actually the two problems may well be related. The genuine knee wear caused him pain and dented his confidence in his ability to move, but for a time he played through the pain. The family worries would make it that much harder to do so.”

Absolutely. There’s a mind/body connection where emotions can be manifested physically, and do seem to attack the areas of the body that have been previously injured or are injured. I really do feel badly for this young man, but he will bounce back with a vengeance when he’s come to terms and accepted the reality of his family problems. In the past, he most probably knew there was a problem but was in denial, and/or living in hope that the worst wouldn’t happen, but now that it has happened, he has no other choice but to accept it, learn to live with it, and move on. He’ll have to join the group of people who’ve travelled that path before and can draw strength from a support group.


Tennis Freak Says:

I did not know that you could watch replay of some major matches online at NBC sports. Just found out and trying a few, but they put those clips up not on the same day, but the next day.


Von Says:

TF: espn360.com also does the same thing, even a week after. If you have the time to sit at the computer and don’t mind doing so, you’d be able to find quite a few major matches. Last week they were showing some FO matches, but at specific times.


Von Says:

Simon Reed feels Murray fans are entitled to dream of a Wimby championship win.

http://uk.yahoo-email.com/a/hBKRIcMAbKI4DB7W7qF-QyucupD/uksp18


Tennis Freak Says:

Von,
As a Comcast customer, I can do that only from August when my SP will be associated with espn360.
Thanks, though.


Giner Says:

Fedfan Says:

“This thing about playing in bad light cost Federer the title last year. If you can’t see, its random then. It just helped Nadal, just by chance.
they really need to pull up the umpires and reprimand them for this”

If you have to blame something for this, blame the London weather. There are always rain delays when Wimbledon comes around, and there were two that day. There would have been more light had the roof been installed last year and rain did not delay the match.

I don’t think the excuse is a fair one though. ‘If you can’t see’ then it didn’t help Rafa, because he couldn’t see either. Random doesn’t help anyone. If Rafa had better vision (which just might be true) then it may have. But you can say the same about a lot of things, such as Fed getting easier draws, having his matches played timely while others had theirs delayed, and so forth. Something only ‘helps’ a player if it affected only one player and not both (for example a tough semi final opponent who forced the other guy to play a 5 hour match).

It really was dark that night, but Fed saw the ball. He was hitting it back after all. It was all in the mind. He began to panic because things weren’t the way he was used to. Michael Phelps had water enter his goggles in one of his swims last year. Most swimmers would panic and their mind would fail them leading to them losing the race, but he amazingly kept his composure, won a gold medal and did it in world record time. That’s how I think Nadal handles wind and twilight better than most players. He plays within himself and adapts to the situation instead of giving up or feeling sorry for himself.

Oh and Wimbledon and FO could always install some floodlights. Come on. What’s stopping them?

I don’t think the darkness cost Fed his title. Perhaps it did, but if it did Fed was to blame for not handling it better, not the darkness. It would have been even more controversial to postpone the match to Monday when all that was left was 5 minutes of play. These people (18,000 of them) paid a lot of money for their finals tickets and they expect a conclusion. The sponsors and important people involved in the presentation ceremony are busy people too. How are you going to get all these people back on a Monday, especially if it’s for only 5 minutes of play?

To say Fed lost it because of darkness is a bit unfair. That assumes he would have won the title if it remained bright. This is by no means a certainty. He only broke serve once in five sets and was broken four times by Nadal. There was no tie breaker in the 5th set, and Fed had difficulty breaking Nadal. Nadal overall played a better match.

I do believe that Fed was a mentally tougher and more confident player on his turf than Nadal and had a very good chance at eking out a 6th title (he also had momentum and the advantage of serving first), but at that moment (7-7) it was anyone’s match. He just happened to be the first to crack.

Finally, I want to ask if anyone ordered the Wimbledon 2008 men’s final dvd from the Wimbledon site? If you did, was there any commentary, and who were the commentators? I’m planning on buying the DVD because it was just awesome, but if there’s no commentary and pre-match analysis, I won’t bother.


huh Says:

Von, how can you be sure that Fed’s praising Soderling only for political correctness or to lure Sod into a false sense of security or stuff in his interview? Fed’s not playing mindgames this time, he’s givin Robin some much deserved credit, IMO.


huh Says:

Von, what’s this Brit bashing? You’re an American and probably FLE poster means you too must’ve British roots after all. If so, then you should be the first person defending the British and not slammin them. What’s bad in being proud of UK’s greatness?


huh Says:

A child must not be so arrogant as to start considering itself as its mother’s judge.


huh Says:

America’s the child and Britain is its mother.


Von Says:

huh: I quoted a verse to a song, which i find to be arrogant. We should not be so blind as to ignore the weakness and/or wrongs of our parents. Blind love is not true love. I care about most things British and will defend Her stance on many, but not pompousness and human wrongs. Sorry, I am first and foremost a humanist, and as such do not and cannot endorse human bondage. And, why should you be championing Britain’s cause? Is this for the same of argument or endeavouring to appear noble? Pray, tell me which one, because it has to be one of the two.

“America’s the child and Britain is its mother.”

The child grew up and took to flight, spreading it’s wings. You’ve probably done the same or will do so in the future. I’m sure you’re not in total agreement with everything your parents do? Well, are you? If your answer is yes, then that’s your good for you, you’ve attained individuality. If no, then you’ll need to mature some more.

Please enlighten me: what is FLE?

With respect to Federer, what I have written is the way I feel and see it. Feel free to dispute my comments, but your defense will not change my views. Please tell me, what would you like to see written with respect to Federer that will NOT incur your ire? Are we only to state everything positive and wonderful concerning Federer just to please you? sorry, I’m not a yes person, and I DO have my own independent thought processes which do not involve idolatry and/or blind worship. If this means you’ll be riding my tail at every time my comments displease you, then so be it.


huh Says:

Von, it was neither for the sake of argument or to appear noble, may be you try for both, I dunno.
It’s just coz British’re not born arrogant or anything like that and this is comin from a Chinese. British people get ferocious only if pushed to the wall.


huh Says:

Von, I must also tell you that the older the civilisation or the antiquity of a nation’s existence, more is the probability of its folks taking pleasure in the legends and poetry of conquest and orthodoxy as is being seen in case of ‘Rule Britannia’


huh Says:

Von, the third thing’s as soon as you termed your thought re Fed praising Robin as your opinion, I needn’t go talking about it further. After all everybody’s entitled to their free opinion unlike in my country where opinions’re forced on gun point. :(


huh Says:

This, by the way, is not to Von alone but to all the fellow posters. You need to remember while spouting off anything, sensible or nonsense,that hero-worshipping ain’t the same thing as idol-worshipping. And I’m idolater but not hero-worshipper, mind you.


margot Says:

huh: so interested u r Chinese, where do you live?


huh Says:

FLE means First Language English. Do you people in America refer to it as ELF or what? Like I think by ELS, you must be meaning Eng lang second, no?


huh Says:

Though I originally hail from Manchuria, we’ve settled down at Yangon, where my father’s serving as a civil engineer.


Tennisfan Says:

huh and Von .. why don’t you take your discussion to a Geopolitical website .. when it comes right down to it both the Brits and Americans are both egotists to some degree … that seems to come with being a (former) world power … in another 20 years the Chinese will be just as arrogant … lets get back to tennis.


tenisbebe Says:

Tennisfan – BACK OFF DUDE. Von is a veteran poster here and can deviate from the thread if she chooses.


Tennisfan Says:

tenisbebe … I’m veteran too … I guess I just don’t have as much to say …


tenisbebe Says:

Tennisfan – then you know that the conversation drifts from tennis from time to time – but not often. Their conversation took place more than 8 hours after the last match of the day was called & they were the only ones posting so what’s the harm? As long as it doesn’t go “too far” we should all be tolerant. Take care and enjoy today’s matches Tennisfan. :)


Von Says:

Tennisfan:

“I guess I just don’t have as much to say”

You can say that again, and when you do have something to say, well, the above speaks volumes. BTW, I noticed that you couldn’t resist adding your two-bits to the ‘geopolitical’ topic either — it was too fascinating and mouthwatering to pass up wasn’t it? If you were to back-track you would have seen how the topic began — the Wimby start time and one thing led to another culminating with huh’s many comments.

Talk about tennis by all means, but sadly, it appears you’ve run out of ideas. sheesh I’ve noticed this is usually the terminology many use when they want to pick on others for reasons known only to them, maybe dislike for a certain poster? Then the tennis talk is used as a front to cover up their true feelings. Anyway, let’s hear some tennis talk from you, or maybe you’ve run out of ideas and are exhausted from visiting the other sites?


Tennisfan Says:

Von, You should try getting more sleep :) … obviously you not under the age of 30 or you wouldn’t be awake all day and night (like me).

Sorry … I didn’t mean to offend (you … or others) posting to this site. Everyone is entitled to their opinion … and discussing geopolitics on a tennis blog has to be at least as relevant as watching a Williams doubles match while a close 5 set match between two upper ranked players in happening on a nearby court :) … but I digress…

We all have opinions on Tennis .. and we all have our favourites … and so I will voice mine.
I’ve been watching tennis (longer than I care to admit). Tennis seems to ebb and flow and at times I am watching more acutely … at other times I drift away. A few years ago Men’s tennis was in an awful state for a couple of years. There was a “changing of the guard” taking place and there was no consistency at the top of the men’s game. I see the Women’s game in the same state today. Well some people might enjoy this “anyone can beat anyone on any given day” … most of the time is is because a better ranked women player is having an off-day. Most of the time in Men’s tennis today … the top ranked players lose quite infrequently to lower ranked player … but when it happens it is generally because the “lesser” player steps up and has a big game (i.e. Soderling-Nadal). The other thing I notice is that the Women’s game now largely consists of the same type of “baseline slugging & shrieking style” … with little if any strategy and variation in shot making. Players that used to exhibit variation in their game … or strategy such as Hingis or Henin for that matter are largely non-existent. Until a dominant player arises from today’s ashes I think the women’s game will continue to suffer.

Turning to the Men’s game … I must admit that I have always had some preference for the players that have variety in their game. My favourite past players have included serve and volley players like Edberg and Rafter. The extreme net players like Max Mirnyi and Boris Becker had more limited success but were extremely exciting players to watch. Most of the baseline players like Borg and Lendl did not interest me …in spite of their success. Those that had a combination of shots,like McEnroe, and Agassi were always at least entertaining. Today, Nadal is more the baseliner … while Federer can play every shot in the game. I have great respect for Nadal and his recent attempts to improve aspects of his game which are weak (such as his serve). This has given him the ability to compete on faster surfaces, and he has become more complete.

Edberg was an elegant shot maker, and a joy to watch live. Of all the players I have seen play,however, Federer (in my opinion) is in a class by himself. He has every shot in the book and can deliver it with an on court style no former player can match (“tennis ballet”).

I am somewhat disappointed that Wimbledon moved to slow their court speed a few years ago because it gives baseliners and slower court players a better chance of competing on that surface. This and new racket technology appears to have all but eliminated the serve & volley style of play from the game. A true champion should be capable of winning on all surfaces … and this is what makes a career slam such a difficult feat. This is not to say that a baseliner does not have a place in the game … if every player were a serve & volleyer .. it might be entertaining to watch (and faster) … but you need some contrast and diversity.

Even Karlovic has his place :) . Just don’t put more than one of these guys on tour.

Sorry to be so wordy … but I have been saving up for a long time :)


Skorocel Says:

Fedfan: “This thing about playing in bad light cost Federer the title last year.”

Really? If that’s your interpretation of Fed’s loss, then we could easily say he was LUCKY to not lose the match in 3 sets ;-)


huh Says:

Tennisfan, lemme tell you- all the trumphetin of Chinese communist govt about China’s development is nothing but hollow sound comin from empty vessels. I assure you China ain’t developin, may be gettin worse in 20 years if democracy doesn’t set in there.


Tennisfan Says:

huh, Seems to me that you came from a rather troubled region of China that has been torn apart by the Russians, Japanese and Chinese communists over many years of history. Not an easy place to live … but I know people that live in China too … and progress is being made.
… now back to Tennis?


Von Says:

TennisFan:

“Von, You should try getting more sleep :) … obviously you not under the age of 30 or you wouldn’t be awake all day and night (like me).’

Who said I’m up all day and night? Well, you’re wrong. If you were to pay attention to my posting times, you’d see I post mostly late in the evenings, and that’s because I post during the time I’m working doing research on my computer. I usually take a late afternoon nap and then do my research in the evenings, and I use tennis posting as enforced break times. Thankfully, I have a job where I can pretty much set my own hours. Not that it’s important, you seem to worry about my lack of sleep, but there’s no need to do so. Here’s an example of my sleep pattern: Between early Thursday morning to late yesterday afternoon, I’ve had a total of 18 hours of sleep, and I again slept for 3-4 hours this morning. Hence, I’ve gotten more sleep than I need, which proves your sleep theory is all wrong, and no need for concern, I’m fine, really. ha ha

I’m not at all angry with you, but I didn’t want you to have the wrong idea with respect to my post on Britain. I love my mother country, but I’m not blind to its history and wrong-doing. I make an effort to stay out of political discussions, and that was a one-off. It was a question on the lateness of the starting time of the matches at Wimby and that led to the British customs, etc. It was misinterpreted, in my opinion by huh, who added his own views, and I felt I needed to explain.

I agree with you on all you’ve said regarding the previous greats, and while I have some present faves, I also do appreciate the other players. Like you, I’m glad that men’s tennis now has a deeper field with more consistency and top quality players than in previous years. As a matter of fact, I think there is great depth in the men’s field through the top 50, which consists of quite a few GS and MS title holders. There are also some very good former Nos. 1, 2, 3, and 4 players still in the top 50, but sadly, due to injuries are now a shadow of their former selves and have dropped miserably in the rankings.

“Most of the time in Men’s tennis today … the top ranked players lose quite infrequently to lower ranked player … but when it happens it is generally because the “lesser” player steps up and has a big game (i.e. Soderling-Nadal).”

I agree, and it’s one of the reasons I become frustrated when I see so much anxiety expressed when some of the top players are facing lower ranked players in the draw. If we look at it objectively, those lower ranked players are ranked lower for a reason, as those I previously mentioned, thus the anxiety is unnecessary and unwarranted. I mean if a player is ranked in the top 5, there really shouldn’t be such concern as to how he’ll fare against a lower ranked player, should there?

I’m with you that even players like Karlovic has his place. In fact every 128 of the players who have made up the GS draws are worth opponents and should be given respect and admiration for their accomplishments. Ergo, I become upset and frustrated when the players are written off as inconsequential.

I’m also disappointed that Wimby is slower, and I don’t understand the reasoning behind the changes. If there is indeed supposed to be four (4) different surfaces, then why is there the necessity to change the surfaces making them equal. I’m baffled.

TennisFan, thank you for your in-depth discussion. I enjoyed it, and I hope you post more frequently instead of saving it all for one post.


Tennisfan Says:

Von, cheers … are really female?


Tennisfan Says:

sorry … are you really female?


Von Says:

TennisFan: Yes, I AM female. I know my shortened name sounds male, but I’m very much a female. LOL.


Tennisfan Says:

Von: LOL


Skorocel Says:

John McEnroe on the linesmen in the Murray vs Troicki match: “They’re struggling”

LOL! :-)))


Giner Says:

Von:

“I’m also disappointed that Wimby is slower, and I don’t understand the reasoning behind the changes. If there is indeed supposed to be four (4) different surfaces, then why is there the necessity to change the surfaces making them equal. I’m baffled.”

The surfaces get slower to counterbalance the fact that the game is getting faster. There is no question that with today’s racquets and an improved emphasis on fitness (players run down more shots than before) and muscle (players hit much harder and heavier than in Laver’s era) in today’s game that if you combine it with a fast surface, you have a recipe for boredom. The grass used to be very fast decades ago because the players played slow. Their wooden racquets didn’t generate the same spin and power, and the players were less athletic. If you transplant today’s game into yesterday’s courts, you’ll rarely see more than 2 strokes in each point. 70% of points would be won by either an ace or an unreturnable serve. The other 30% would be won with a single volley by the server.

As I said, boring. A slower court provides more rallies and longer points, mitigating the effect of power hitting. The current speed of the courts was able to create classics like the 07 and 08 Wimbledon finals. If the game is exciting to watch on today’s Wimbledon courts, I don’t see anything wrong with keeping them the way they are.

Unless they go back to wooden racquets, I hope the speed of the grass stays the way it is.

P.S. Am I spelling ‘racquet’ correctly? I’m getting underlines all over the place. The dictionary keeps trying to correct it as ‘racket’. Is this some American dictionary I have built in or is it just incomplete?


Giner Says:

If people are going to pay good money for a ticket, wouldn’t they prefer a 3-5 hour match over a 1.5 hour romp that you’d get on an ultra fast court?

You’re not going to see anywhere near as many spectacular ‘hot shots’ rallies that end up on the highlights reel either if the game was fast. The way it is now, there is a greater risk of injury, which is unfortunate, but the entertainment value and quality of play is far improved. You just have to look up youtube clips of past players to see the difference. It was a lot slower back then even with faster courts. Without slower courts, today’s game would be out of control.

Wimbledon are traditionists. They refuse to play on middle Sunday due to tradition even when matches are behind schedule. They force players to wear white clothing, and call women ‘ladies’ and men ‘gentlemen’. They were the last to cave in to the equal pay demands*. They waited over a century to build a roof. All in the name of tradition. If Wimbledon breaks tradition on something as major as the speed of the courts, it must be for very good reason, and I think there was one.

*For some reason, if women were the ones being paid more than men, I doubt there would be as much pressure on them for equal pay. Double standards. A local female TV host quipped that celebrity chef Gorden Ramsay should ‘stay in the kitchen’ when he came down here and opened his big mouth. He was asking for it, but just imagine the outrage if it was Ramsay who told HER to stay in the kitchen.


Von Says:

Giner: Thanks for your explanation on the surface changes. You’re right as usual. Yes, the two strokes did work during Sampras’ era, e.g., serve and volley. Hit the big booming serve then immediately begin moving forward into the net to finish off the point with the volley. However, it’s not that easy as we purport it to be, and can be very tiring on the body. As things now stand with the surfaces, I’ve come to one conclusion: tennis has evolved, hence the court surface changes are supposedly warranted. Topic closed, or else we’d go crazy trying to figure out the whys and wherefores, so let’s just enjoy the tennis.

“P.S. Am I spelling ‘racquet’ correctly? I’m getting underlines all over the place. The dictionary keeps trying to correct it as ‘racket’.”

British = racquet; American = racket. Depends on the dictionary. I’ve always spelt it as “racquet”, so please continue, i happen to like seeing it written that way.

Did you see my post to you ref: your interest in Jancovic’s dress? I was humorously asking if you intended to play dress up this weekend. LOL.


huh Says:

Giner, if only these supposedly fitter younger generation’d have been forced to play 2-3 hours of tennis with 70-8 0% serve and volley and only 20-30% of baseline game, then only you’d have realised how difficult it is to play S & V tennis.

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