Opinion: Which Roddick Will Show at Washington?
by Jeremy Davis | July 31st, 2009, 4:30 pm
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Andy Roddick gets a chance to whip it out and show he is the biggest American next week when he makes his first appearance on tour since his gut-busting five-set loss to Roger Federer at Wimbledon.


Roddick is the top seed at the Legg Mason Tennis Classic and gets a bye in the first round. But the All-American challenge will start after that. Roddick’s likely second-round opponent will be Robby Ginepri, then No. 16 seed Sam Querrey after that.

James Blake won’t be in attendance, pulling out of the event citing a foot injury. How bad has Blake’s year been? Getting ready to drop out of the Top 20 at No. 18, Blake looked competitive in losing a tight final to Andy Murray at Queen’s, but then flamed out mightily in the first round at Wimbledon. He went 0-2 in Davis Cup singles versus Croatia. He reportedly turned down hundreds of thousands in appearance fee cash because it wasn’t as high as what they offered Andy Roddick.

Is Blake done? Hope not but the outlook is not rosy since Blake turns 30 later this year. don’t get in a habit of turning down six-figure checks James.

Mardy Fish withdrew from LA on Friday due to a shoulder injury. Don’t look for a deep run from him in Washington.

The most interesting thing about Roddick reappearing on tour at Washington? See if you can gauge his attitude. Did the loss at Wimbledon wreck him, or make him realize that another US Open title is a possibility?


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81 Comments for Opinion: Which Roddick Will Show at Washington?

I like tennis bullies Says:

who cares which roddick will show at washington as long as wimbledon roddick shows up for the usopen and nadal/djokovic/murray return to put the beat down on swiss miss federina.


TD (Tam) Says:

I dont know why people think Roddick will be crushed because he lost the wimbledon final? His tweets on twitter sound very happy to me! anyhow I am very much looking forward to Roddick’s return. I have been thinking about him alot since the wimbledon final.


steve Says:

Why should he be crushed? He’s playing the best tennis of his life. He lost, yes, but then again he came up against Federer.

I’m very much enjoying the “new Roddick”. He’s toned down the cockiness a notch as he’s gotten older and his game is much more varied now.

It’ll be great to see him play against Nadal/Djokovic/Murray to see where he’s at.


Kimmi Says:

A lot of players can play on hardcourts than grass, so it should be tough here but i still pick Roddick as a slight favourite.

Would love to see how JMDP fares up, I hope he brushes off his wimbledon loss and bring his form before that…there is a potential to meet Hewitt in the 3rd round. revenge anyone ?


joe Says:

well, roddick is doing just fine ATM, he lost against the best player of this era. And he is probably more motivated than ever.

he’s got better apporaches and volleys, his backhand is a weapon now and his fitness has gotten better – so his weaknesses have improved alot.

or course his only real weakness, judging by wimbledon is/was his return which won’t be a big problem on hard.

GO RODDICK!!!


Von Says:

The loss Andy suffered at Wimby was a devastating one, but he’s been there before and done that, and has shown that he’s pretty resilient both in body and mind. I believe we’re going to see a different Roddick from Wimby, one who’s stronger mentally, and one who now has the weaponry and the mind-set to win. I’m looking forward to his arrival in DC and I hope I’m not proved wrong.
Here’s a link to Larry Stefanki’s interview in which he talks about Roddick’s thoughts of probably quitting the port, but then decided to give it his all and continue. I believe with Stefanki in Roddick’s ear he’s got the positive reinforcement he’s been lacking from his other coaches, and he’s determined to pursue his career dreams. I’ll join Joe @ 10:17 am and say GO RODDICK

The loss Andy suffered at Wimby was a devastating one, but he’s been there before and done that, and has shown that he’s pretty resilient both in body and mind. I believe we’re going to see a different Roddick from Wimby, one who’s stronger mentally, and one who now has the weaponry and the mind-set to win. I’m looking forward to his arrival in DC and I hope I’m not proved wrong.
Here’s a link to Larry Stefanki’s interview in which he talks about Roddick’s thoughts of probably quitting the port, but then decided to give it his all and continue. I believe with Stefanki in Roddick’s ear he’s got the positive reinforcement he’s been lacking from his other coaches, and he’s determined to pursue his career dreams. I’ll join Joe @ 10:17 am and say GO RODDICK

http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AiIzU0.OAcEAiyB_RpWm6YFeDNEF;_ylv=0/SIG=12ib5md0v/SIG=1314pf4v5/EXP=1249140291/**http%3A//www.insidetennis.com/2009/07/world-exclusive-larry-stefanki-interview/

http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20090731/Safin_won%27t_miss_the_friends_he_never_had_in_tennis
Safin says he won’t miss his friends when he retires because he didn’t make many while on tour

http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20090731/Safin_won%27t_miss_the_friends_he_never_had_in_tennis
Safin says he won’t miss his friends when he retires because he didn’t make many while on tour

http://www.insidetennis.com/2009/07/world-exclusive-larry-stefanki-interview/


Von Says:

The loss Andy suffered at Wimby was a devastating one, but he’s been there before and done that, and has shown that he’s pretty resilient both in body and mind. I believe we’re going to see a different Roddick from Wimby, one who’s stronger mentally, and one who now has the weaponry and the mind-set to win. I’m looking forward to his arrival in DC and I hope I’m not proved wrong.
Here’s a link to Larry Stefanki’s interview in which he talks about Roddick’s thoughts of probably quitting the port, but then decided to give it his all and continue. I believe with Stefanki in Roddick’s ear he’s got the positive reinforcement he’s been lacking from his other coaches, and he’s determined to pursue his career dreams. I’ll join Joe @ 10:17 am and say GO RODDICK!!

http://www.insidetennis.com/2009/07/world-exclusive-larry-stefanki-interview/


Von Says:

Safin says he won’t miss his friends when he retires because he didn’t make many while on tour:

http://www.insidetennis.com/2009/07/world-exclusive-larry-stefanki-interview/


Von Says:

Safin says he won’t miss his friends when he retires because he didn’t make many while on tour:

http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20090731/Safin_won%27t_miss_the_friends_he_never_had_in_tennis


Von Says:

STAFF: PLEASE REMOVE POST @ 10:33 AM, and @ 10:38 am THE LINKS ARE WRONG.

Thanks.


Veno Says:

Loooool, when I first read the article there were 4 comments posted and I was surprised none of those were Von’s!!!

But she never lets me down!!!! Time to catch up what she wrote here :)


Von Says:

For those interested, the following is the Legg Mason draw:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2009/418/mds.pdf


Veno Says:

Hey Von and other Roddick fans! I’m telling nothing you don’t already know but I think it’s good if I repeat it once more, as I am not a Roddick fan tenniswise that is:
(although he would be my first pick to invite if I was gathering some friends to go have fun and I was allowed to ask 1 tennis pro!)

Whether you like Andy Roddick as a person and/or tennis player or not, ANDY RODDICK HAS NEVER EVER FAILED TO IMPRESS ME, BY NEVER USING EXCUSES FOR LOSSES, ALWAYS TOOK HIS BEATINGS AS A MAN, ALWAYS TOOK HIS RESPONSIBILITY TOWARDS HIMSELF AND TOWARDS TENNIS AND NEVER EVER GIVES LESS THAN 110% IN TRAINING AND MATCHES. The second he isn’t able anymore he will hang up his racket and let’s hope that won’t be for a long time!!!!

Mentally I don’t worry in the least for Andy, I just hope his game is still on the level, if not better, than at Wimby. I wish him well!
More people should look past their first impressions they have of Andy(he is one of those strong personalities whom either you love or hate…there’s no middle ground and that makes him thus more interesting to me) and pay the man respect for his demeanor, humor and class he just oozes, especially the American tennis journalists


Veno Says:

Hey Von, I think Andy has a good draw at Legg Mason, don’t you agree? And I mean the progression of tougher opponents seems linear which is good imo.
Am excited to see the tourney develop. Especially how Haas, Soderling and Delpo wil fare in the other half of the draw.

A class field, hope I’ll be able to see some tennis!!!


Von Says:

Veno:

I agree Andy has a pretty good draw, except there looms Karlovic, but Andy has been able to win their last 3 matches and can match him in the serve department, and beat him off the ground.

“Especially how Haas, Soderling and Delpo wil fare in the other half of the draw.”

Glad to see Haas and Soderling on the other side of the draw as both of them have always proved to be a problem for Andy, especially Soderling. Haas, in the past, has been a problem also, but Andy beat him in their last two meetings and that should give him confidence. He’s only played once against DelPotro, but that was when he was still struggling with his shoulder and back issues, which means I’ll have to wait and see and hope for the best.


Von Says:

Veno:

FYI, Ferrero v. Seppi match is playing at the moment on ADTHE.net. Click on the second yellow ball at the top of the schedule before the WTA Stanford match.


Von Says:

Veno: You’re welcome!
FYI, Swimming Worlds competition are on again today, and I’ll be watching. That ADTHE.net has several sports. You should keep an eye on it.


Veno Says:

just watched 100m butterfly…Woohooo!!!!!!Phelps showed the cocky Serb that he wasn’t wise to talk him up and critize him.


Von Says:

Nothing like whooping them to shut them up. GO PHELPS!!


jane Says:

I think the same Roddick who always shows up will show up – ready go and give it his best effort. I think many of us hope he can bring it like he did at Wimbledon, as he’s a fun guy to watch and support. All the best to him!


jane Says:

I think the same Roddick who always shows up will show up – ready go and give it his best effort. I think many of us hope he can bring it like he did at Wimbledon, as he’s a fun guy to watch and support. All the best to him!


jane Says:

Not sure why that posted twice at the same time – sorry.


Veno Says:

*criticize…sorry

Yes! Go Phelps, he rocks!!!


Veno Says:

Wow, Ferrero creamed Seppi(baguette) first set and led 3-1, however Seppt won the second in a tiebreaker…more to come


Veno Says:

Hahahahaha, just saw the short interview Phelps gave the Eurosport commentator(a woman) after winning the 100m Butterfly and at the end she said….”Congratulations Michael, you let your swimming do the talking!” that is the quote of the day for me. Phelps was laughing while he walked away.


margot Says:

von: what a killing remark by Safin! He’s not gonna win the players’ popularity contest is he?
Also saw Phelps win. What a truly AMAZINg athlete he is.


Kimmi Says:

Yeah I saw Phelps win too, the guy is amazing.

Veno, yes Seppi is coming back, I saw the H2H of these two and Ferrero never won against Seppi. He is fighting here but his games are getting harder and harder to hold.


Von Says:

margot: You know what’s funny with Safin, he’s extremely fickle, and it’s something I’ve always had a problem with when he speaks at times. I love the guy but he’s somewhat unstable and it shows in his pressers and his implosion on the court.

A couple of weeks ago, someone posted a few paragraphs on one of Safin’s pressers, in which he was asked as to which player he couldn’t build a relationship with, and his answer was Roddick, but yet he expounded on what a great relationship he had with the other players. Roddick has never mentioned anything bad about Safin. Then, here is safin, a few weeks later, stating he has no friends. Amazing isn’t it? As I said, he’s ‘fickle’ and it shows at times in his pressers. One of the reasons I don’t read players pressers is the fact that they contradict themselves so often that it becomes annoying, but that’s just me.
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What more can we say about Phelps? He’s truly amazing, and a one of a kind athlete. I love to watch him — his smile is worth a thousand words.
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Veno: I’ve always admired Juan Carlos and am glad to see him doing so well recently.


Kimmi Says:

Demantieva and Venus just started, looks to be a good match.


Veno Says:

Von: regarding Phelps: “and his swims are worth a thousand smiles”

I’ve always loved el mosquito too!!! And he pulled through Kimmi.


Veno Says:

And Von and Margot:

Marat has always been fickle and I sense he likes being an anti-hero. “I have no friends, nobobdy understands me and I don’t care what people think.”

Always astonished that people who are supposed to be a role model and earn good money can think like that. Like Safin not having friends under the players has anything to do with the professionalization of the sport. Friends are generally not thrown at you, FRIENDS YOU MAKE PERSONALLY!!!!!


Veno Says:

*nobody


margot Says:

von and veno: think Safin and Safina are product of very dicey upbringing by far too ambitious tennis playing parents. Whereas the fact that Phelps rushes to give his mum and his sister a hug, suggests to me that he had rather a good one.


Von Says:

margot: Marat I like, but sad to say, I can’t stand Safina. Her on-court dramatics sends me reeling and I can’t bear to watch her play. The WTA, for that matter, has quite a few drama queens and squealers, grunters and shriekers. I suppose you can determine from my comments that I’m not in the least bit interested in women’s tennis, except for maybe a handful of players. I happen to like that little young lady, Cirstea, and hope she does well in her career. Dementieva, Mauresmo and the soon to return Clijsters are a few of my faves. i know not too many people like Bartoli, but I find her to be a respectful and soft young woman, but, I could be totally wrong.
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Veno: Marat is suffering from a case of regrets. he messed up big-time because of his mindset — pleasure before work, and is suffering from the regrets. However, despite it all, I like him and would like to see him leave the sport with a more positive mind-set, e.g., a big win.


Kimmi Says:

Arrrrg ! demantiva can never play venus. She comes to the semi final without losing a set and now she loses the set 0-6. Incredible. How can she play Serena so well, and Venus sooo bad ?

Veno, I saw the results..well done Ferrero.


Veno Says:

I like Marat too! Would be good if he leaves with a big win.

I really don’t care for women’s tennis, cause there are other sports where the women competitors are sweeter to my eyes so I can watch those if I was only in it for the eye candy(yes yes, the testosteron coming out to play)
I like a couple of women play tennis, but too few to really follow it.
Personally I can’t stand watching Bartoli. Omg, just watching her gives me a rash all over.
I like the Williams sisters cause they’re such warriors(especially Serena) and like Mauresmo, Clijsters and the late Henin(why on earth did she retire at 25?)


Veno Says:

my goodness Venus crushed Dementieva “bagle-baguette” in a semifinal…it’s the Wimby Semi all over, only with a different Russian.


Von Says:

Veno: I don’t like Bartoli’s tennis, I just like her personality; she comes across as a sincere and mild-mannered young woman. For me, as a woman and mother of a young girl, it doesn’t matter so much that she’s not eye candy. That said, I also like to see pretty young women in sports, and it’s one of the reasons I like to watch figure skating. Hope you get my drift.


Von Says:

Veno: “my goodness Venus crushed Dementieva “bagle-baguette” in a semifinal…it’s the Wimby Semi all over, only with a different Russian.”

Yes, but similar to the Wimby SF, where Serena beat Dementieva even though Dementieva wasn’t crushed in that match. It seems as though Dementieva and Sharapova can’t get past the Williams sisters regardless of which round they meet.


Veno Says:

I do get your drift Von and I think you get mine….
The fact I can’t stand watching Bartoli has nothing to do with her looks. It’s her maneurisms and the fact she just looks so “French”.
The talking to herself and the jumping and hitting ghost fore- and backhands with her back to her opponents before starting points….OH MY GOD!!!!!!!
She could be a really nice, conscious, sympathetic young woman, but as I’m not likely to have her join my inner social circle I’ll stay annoyed by her.

I love watching women figure skating, because I’m a young man and boy oh boy, not only are they great athletes in a graceful sport, but yummie yummie, sorry, can’t shut down the disgusting man in me :)


Veno Says:

Von, I meant similar to Venus crushing Safina in the semis….


Von Says:

Veno: You’re funny, and I can understand the ‘yummie, yummie’ male in you. I have a young son you know, who’s very picky, so I can identify with your preferences for the sweet young figure skaters. LOL. I happen to like the sport of figure skating but I also like to see the young girls all dressed up. BTW, Michelle Kwan has passed on the 2010 Olympics in lieu of a career in public speaking.


scineram Says:

Cilic is moer of a threat to Roddick. He can definetly beat Karlovic, is a better player than both.


Von Says:

Veno: I just want to say it was nice interacting with you and loved your posts. You’re a lot of fun with a very jovial personality. Bye.


tenisbebe Says:

Girls (Von/Veno): Both matches thus far today have been disappointing so am really looking forward to Haas/Querrey and Stosur/Bartoli. Go Tommy! Go Sam! (Stosur)


tenisbebe Says:

scineram Says: “Cilic is moer of a threat to Roddick. He can definetly beat Karlovic, is a better player than both.” Agreed, a much better mover than Karlovic.


Veno Says:

Von says: Veno: I just want to say it was nice interacting with you and loved your posts. You’re a lot of fun with a very jovial personality. Bye.

Likewise Von. I enjoyed reading your views.
But does this mean we won’t be interacting again?(because what I read on the other thread?)
Hope not.

Hey tenisbebe, I’m no girl hun(100% machismo man here)
I saw Sam(Querry) beat Tommy. Little surprised by that. Sam is finding some form!
And Bartoli beat Sam(Stosur) another surprise…


Kimmi Says:

Veno: “Hey tenisbebe, I’m no girl hun(100% machismo man here)”

LOL

“And Bartoli beat Sam(Stosur) another surprise…”

sam played very well with Serena but self disctruct yesterday, too many UE. Sometimes she plays like a top 10 and sometimes top 100, I think thats why her raking is like this.

I am also surprised that Haas lost. since his great run I have been rooting for him, he is one of the oldies who is still kicking. I hope he gets back his mojo next week.

I see a qualifier (Belluci) just won his first title in Gstaad. Yeeah…Great Job.


Veno Says:

yeah Kimmi, good to see Belluci win…and agree on Stosur. It was the same at RG. She still has to get used to the fact she’s a contender now. It’s like she’s still surprised after a win against a top 10-er in stead of focussing directly on the next opponent. I take nothing away from Bartoli, but if I had beaten Serena and played that well…No way I would duck it against Bartoli…But for next tourney: Go Sam!!! I like her


Von Says:

Veno: “Vonnie…don’t forget you have me :-D(a true Fed fan and a man hehehehe).”

Thank you for being so kind, and your kindness has really touched my heart. I saw your post on the other thread, and as I said, ‘I’m outta here’ on that thread. Not even a team of mules can make me post on that thread again. I suppose you see what I’ve been saying all along about the ganging up, and I have had to deal with that from the very inception of posting here.

When I said ‘bye’ in my post to you, I was giving you an out of not having to feel obligated to interact with me just in case you were influenced by what transpired on that thread, and if you don’t want to in the future, I’ll understand. There are many who take that road when stuff like this happens, they take sides, remain mute and refuse to speak up if only to verify some information, but that’s their prerogative — I’ll return the favour when their time comes. I know them by now, which means I’ll keep far away from them in the future. You, tennisbebe, and a few others are different, and I feel blessed that you guys are so fair-minded. I don’t want to say more on the matter to avoid being demonized again, due to the fact that I’m not allowed to have my freedom of speech. Anyway, I hope you get my drift.. …
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OK, let’s talk about the matches played thus far. Sam Querrey played a pretty good match last night. You’re correct, he’s finding his form at last. He’s now been in the finals of three (3) tourneys and I’m hoping he wins this one today. I didn’t watch the WTA final, but from your post I guess Bartoli won, so congrats to her.

I’m eagerly looking forward to watching the last day of Worlds for swimming events for today which begins in approximately 80 minutes, how about you, are you excited? I’m especially interested in seeing what Torres will do in the Women’s relay and other events. I hope your country wins some medals also, but of course you know I’ll be rooting for the US, and I hope you don’t mind. I promise if the US is not in an event, I’ll root for your country. Is that fair deal?


Veno Says:

Ok Von, loud and clear. I won’t talk about it either. You have made your point.
And you won’t have to say bye to me on that account my friend. I’ve read a lot of posts and bashings etc etc, but I make up my own mind as to who I like and who I choose to ignore or interact with, and Von(also Bebe) you aren’t 1 of them I’ll easily ignore. And I won’t be influenced by third parties concerning our contact.

I am also glad for Sam Q. Hope he gets the win! And I’m just back from running, will be taking a shower and sit my petootie on the couch for the final Finals day in Rome.
Aside from the gold in the women’s 4*100 relay it has been a disappointed championships for us(especially Marleen Veldhuis) Swimming doesn’t get a lot of financial support in the Netherlands(as is the same case with Rowing)

Talk to you later and keep your head high my friend…You know that a lot of people like to push your buttons and saw off the paws to your chair cause you are a strong minded woman. I deal with this lots of times in real life, because of my dominant personality. It’s not fun sometimes, but it doesn’t bother me anymore. Some battles/confrontations are better left unchallenged, because they gain you nothing…it only drains your energy. Sorry I got philosophical again and still brought it up, but it’s the last I speak of the matter deal?


Veno Says:

*disappointed=disappointing


Veno Says:

BTW, saw that Kirilenko and Cirstea teamed up for doubles at Stanford(and lost in the semis)
Now that’s a team I could easily cheer for!!!


joe Says:

i think if roddick was still mentally fatigued/scared in any way, he would probably pull out of the tournament. This tournament ins’t a cakewalk though, with the likes of soderling and delpotro in the draw – who play roddick well. Having said that, they haven’t had the chance to play roddick of wimbledon. Karlovic is another player who you could lose to, its a match that could go either way. tsonga too. great draw this year though:)


Kimmi Says:

Joe, I agree. Karlovic is very dangerous. If he has a good serving day, especially on tiebreaks..its bye bye if you make one mistake on your serve. No one likes to play him.


joe Says:

he’s also a very underrated player – and is also hated by many fans. i quite like him though:). all of his matchups are tossups due to his serve.


Veno Says:

Rankings of tomorrow:

1) Fed 11060 pts
2) Rafa 9285 pts
3) Murray 8260 pts
4) Djoko 7290 pts
5) A-Rod 5380 pts
6) DelPo 5005 pts

So only changes in position after Montreal are Andy Roddick and DelPo and theoratically Murray and Djokovic.


Veno Says:

*add possibilities


Kimmi Says:

Veno, interesting. Why did you remove almost 1000 points from Murray ? I know toronto points where subtracted last week and I thought next will be olympics points not cincinati !! Confusing !


Kimmi Says:

Veno, sorry completly lost it…they went to olympics after cincy…just answered my question.


Kimmi Says:

Yeah davydenko the machine. 2nd title in a row.


grendel Says:

Well, at least when I retire from the site I last a bit longer than a day. Von’s excuses, having predictably had second thoughts almost instantly, are hilarious – and yet sad. No, she is very definitely not “strongminded”. Anyone so utterly incapable of admitting at any stage that she is wrong is not strong except in a mad sort of way.

Nobody wants to “push Von’s buttons”, at least I don’t. I just deeply dislike the dishonest way she sets about things, and so I say so.

I’ll try and avoid it mostly – all the time is impossible I’ve found with her. But when Von says something plainly perverse, I will say so – this is a public forum, not a private playpen for Von and pals. I will try and keep cool about it, insofar as I can. Most people just give up, Von drives them off by her blatant refusal to engage in proper debate. It’s too difficult. I’ll try – and see if I can keep my sanity in the process.


GOAT Girl Says:

Good luck, Grendel, but my money is on her wearing you down. A poison pill would be quicker.


Federer Streak Says:

grendel
This is between you and me. This Von dude must be intimidating, as you say he is what drives people off the site? I think he is a guy but pretends to be a girl for sympathy pity and whatnot after he maligns others, and he writes from some crazy location like prison, I guess, and he gets a lot of beating there, so the button is always pushed on, you know, because of the gang fights always going on in that place, and then this miserable person pours his cowardly vengeance on the tennis x posters? Poor Sean has to suffer because of this awful creature? why doesn’t he ban him? Everything gets confusing. I have even suspicion that this male-turned-female dude is tennis x employee, paid to act insane and provoke others, you think so? The dude is here like what 24/7, puts in a lot of hours, and makes some good money yelling at people. You said he has some Ninja gang for backup, so they all come after you? You are dealing with some crazy stuff here. I’d stay away. Be careful.


Daniel Says:

Kimmi, veno

I was just checking the ranking and Murray can became n. 2 on August 17th if he makes final in Montreal and Nadal doesn’t pass semis, or if he wins the title. The Olympics points will drop while the new Montreal will add. Interesting, this should motivate Nadal a lot if they both are in quarters.


Kimmi Says:

Daniel: Tell me, when you worked out the ranking for Murray and Nadal, did you take away Olympics points ? because right now there is over 1000 points difference.

Murray is very close and Montreal will be very important tournament for him to make that break through. Nadal said he does not worry about ranking right now, his main goal is to recover his knees….but for Murray it will show his improvement and consistency.

This is the part of season where Murray will be defending a lot of points too. Since the beginning of the year till now he was mostly gaining..it will be tough. I believe there will be a lot of shift in the ranking between the top 4 or 3 this year but all in all very interesting.

Veno, on the ranking list above, you got Djokovic and Roddick points slightly less than what ATP site has.


joe Says:

^^^well, if that does happen, i would like murray to win a slam first to become number 1 and pass roger. Murray could very well get to number 1 this year without winning a slam. if federer retires (unlikely) and nadal retires too.

its a huge few months for the top 6, fed,rafa,murray and djokers need to defend points, and roddick could/should and probably will gain alot of points.

there’s a rumor that federer might not play montreal due to family matters and stuff, but i dont think federer had alot of points to defend there anyway.

i would like to see a roddick v JMDP final, with roddick takin’ it in the 3rd set tiebreak.


Veno Says:

Hey Kimmi and Daniel, true…Roddick and Djoko get 90 points added for replacement of best of other results. Murray lost 1000 because today was the drop date of Cincy which he won.

And Daniel: you said: I was just checking the ranking and Murray can became n. 2 on August 17th if he makes final in Montreal and Nadal doesn’t pass semis, or if he wins the title. The Olympics points will drop while the new Montreal will add. Interesting, this should motivate Nadal a lot if they both are in quarters.

You are right, but not until August 17th and subject to the results they’ll post in Montreal.


Von Says:

Well, since I’m being accused of being a liar and one who’s unable to refrain from posting, I don’t want to prove my accuser, self-appointed judge, pursuer, and harasser grendel wrong, hence this post.

grendel, GOAT girl, aka ‘sour grapes CB’, and Federer Streak, morphed from ‘ Freak’, make up a wonderful triune godhead to judge me as they deem fit, pass sentence and then execution by poison pill, a diet of which they all imbibe on a daily basis, thus their poisonous emotions. Isn’t it remarkable how like follows like?

FStreak, the morphed ‘Freak’, you’ve got some imagination there and then some! I thought you said you were leaving and wouldn’t return until AO ’08, after declaring the women to be ‘a pack of witches’ during your last ranting session before your exit? Nice cover-up in your writing style, but some things can’t be that easily covered up, are easily detected to the trained eye, and some habits are difficult to break. I see your tea is not doing its job of calming you down but instead the opposite by allowing your crazed imagination/emotions to run amok. I mean I’m someone who’s writing from prison and/or a paid employee of Tennis.X? LOL. Yes, prison is where I’d like to dump you and the triune godhead.

The same goes for ‘the sour grapes gal’ turned Federer fan, whose work was supposedly done here until Montreal. Don’t choke on the ‘poison pill’ you’re proposing for your hero grendel to hand out to moi. Or maybe, you meant for grendel to imbibe the darn thing, but considering that’s what he does, hence his vituperative comments, I guess the one meant for me would put him out of his misery once and for all? That would be a better alternative don’t you think?

And, what can I say of my self-appointed judge, mr/ms.’g'? I suppose you’ll have to wear out those old body parts trying to keep me in line, because I’ll be the same until I leave this world, which I’m thinking you and the members of your godhead would like to be soon, even instantaneous, as I write this post.

BTW, who’s financing the bill for the time you’ll be expending in your efforts to keep me in line, since this is your self-appointed task and not the idea of anyone consequential who’s got the money for this mindless venture? It’s amazing you feel it’s incumbent upon you to bear this heavy burden of keeping me in line, WOW. Poor baby you have my sympathy and OY VEY. As I’ve mentioned to you in the past, you have a huge problem and it’s called ‘jealousy’, whereby you can’t bear to see the other posters interacting with me, even though you expertly use the cover up of ‘you’re a loner’, (which BTW is a defense mechanism most people use when they’re unsuccessful in overcoming the non-popularity hurdle) and it just boils up in you until it overflows, hence the venom that you expunge. That’s too bad babe and I feel for you, I really do. Your mention of my popularity with other posters all of the time speaks volumes, and I’m so sorry you don’t have what it takes to command such a position, thus your consistent and repeated attempts to discredit me. Hey, there’s a saying, when you got it flaunt it, and if you think I was terrible prior to this post, just watch me go, because as the other saying goes, ‘you ain’t seen nuttin’ yet. Some things do get stuck in one’s craw and are very difficult to digest, so I suppose you’ll just have to choke on it, stifle, or learn to live with it, alright babe?.

In sum, I think you people, this self-appointed triune godhead which wants Von out of the way, should put the conglomeration of your imagination and other related talents to better use, e.g., the global greening, than wasting all those good thoughts on me, which would not happen if I were to praise Federer all of the time and be his adoring fan, but because I don’t do this, I get targeted, and I should be gotten rid of post haste — just think about it, that’s my crime isn’t it, if we were to get down to the nitty gritty of the whole matter, isn’t it? Whatever happened to democracy and entitlement to speech/opinions on blogs? Just think about it. On second thoughts I doubt ‘global greening’ would be a viable alternative for any of you and won’t be so very good, considering global greening gets rid of waste and there goes the triune godhead. And, I mean this in the nicest way. Have a nice day!!


Von Says:

Oh BTW, grendel, you were talking about transportation problems that would occur at ’02 after late matches, I doubt that would be a problem for you, since you’ve gotten quite expert at riding the good old faithful ‘broom’, don’t you think?


sinnet Says:

So you did not leave after all .LOL :))

Gotto appreciate your courage.


grendel Says:

Sinnet: Von, like me, has often proclaimed her imminent departure. I usually last a few weeks, Von seems unable to handle the lack of attention for more than about half a day.

I think it is worth taking a look at Von’s attempted dissection of me, because it tells you most of what you need to know about her, so far as this site is concerned.

“It’s amazing you feel it’s incumbent upon you to bear this heavy burden of keeping me in line, WOW. Poor baby you have my sympathy”. Note the inept attempted sarcasm; it lacks, how can we say, penetration, not to mention conviction. Even, she brings up the question of financial inducement; obviously she doesn’t believe this, but what she can’t believe is that I have no prior motivation, but am just impelled by her sickening way of going about bullying those who cross her. Such a motivation is not entirely innocent – I bear my own scars of Von vindictiveness – but I am genuinely sickened. I did, absolutely did, find Von’s persecution of Zola horrendous (quite regardless of my own ambiguous relations with Zola – but Von doesn’t go in for the nuances of ambiguity, she simply cherrypicks whatever enhances her argument). I looked in vain for a restraining hand from a Von ally, but not a dicky bird. On this occasion, Von’s attempt to shut Polo up was transparent and again, disgusting. It doesn’t matter what (if anything) I think of Polo or he of me, and Von cannot understand that, she feels there must be something underhand going on. Note that most of Von’s aggressions I ignore. Easy to forget in all the noise. Is it my job to be a policeman? No, but we have a deeply intimidating character in Von; most people who loathe her antics will be reluctant to engage with her.

“you have a huge problem and it’s called ‘jealousy’ whereby you can’t bear to see the other posters interacting with me, even though you expertly use the cover up of ‘you’re a loner’.” It is typical of Von’s totalitarian temperament that she can never take at face value anything an enemy says if it in any sense contradicts the underlying theme of the said enemy being “bad”. Thus, admitting to being a loner is a cover up, and furthermore a “defense mechanism most people use when they’re unsuccessful in overcoming the non-popularity hurdle” – that is a characteristic piece of Von psychobabble. Attempts on my part to being honest are casually swept aside, because nothing can get in the way of the doctrine that anyone who has serious criticisms of Von must be, in some sense, malign. Note the extreme self-deception; this is why I posted earlier that whatever Von is, it is definitely not strongminded; the strong take account of their own weaknesses, and even try to do something about them. A kind of bullish relentlessness is sometimes mistaken for strength. Again, Von cannot believe that if I compliment her, I am doing just that, I must have some malignant motive. That is in keeping with her totalitarian outlook; everything is absolutely black and white. Not in my world, it isn’t. And this, b.t.w., informs her attitude to Roddick and why she cannot stomach the least criticism of him.

So then we get the jealousy comment. That’s a difficult one. I don’t fit very well in this world – for Von’s information, my childhood was destroyed twice in long, unending catastrophes and an eternal price has been paid for that; this can never justify antisocial behaviour, but it can certainly account for a certain darkness, and can probably be productive of envy, too. Am I then envious of Von’s good social interaction with some posters? Well, I am not envious of the posters, they all seem likeable enough. But yes, I am the person on the outside gazing in, always an uncomfortable position. Don’t look to people with my history to be models of virtue.

But a sense of fairness, of equity, runs very deep in most people, and is rarely destroyed in life’s various holocausts. I must leave it to other posters to come to their own conclusions as to whether my own personal debilities preclude me from the possibility of experiencing genuine outrage at evil behaviour. I don’t, of course, mean that Von is evil, but some of her behaviour – where she actually tries to destroy the person (qua poster) who crosses her path – is evil, in my view.

As ever, the question of Federer comes up. It is definitely the case that we tend to make more allowance for what you might call ideological tennis allies, but there are lines in the sand. I utterly deplore the manner in which Von singlemindedly sets out to destroy her opponent,(very happy to use below the belt tactics but outraged if the same tactics are employed on her) and I can’t imagine thinking otherwise regardless of who she supports.

On the thread which started this, I made Von an offer. Naturally, she ignored it with the contempt of silence. It would have entailed compromise, some sense that she is at least partly responsible for all this hubbub. Compromise affects both parties, of course. It could, with goodwill, be benficial. The offer remains open.


tenisbebe Says:

Veno/Kimmi – Am several days behind responding to posts. Re: Haas – I was a little surprised & disappointed Tommy didn’t prevail over Sambo but at least he lost to an in-form player. He gets in his own way when the negative attitude rears it’s ugly head. Arrrrgh. I am a big Tommy fan from way back but alas do not get a chance to cheer for my guy often enough.

Re: Sam (Stosur), interesting analysis by you both. It does seem as if she can’t quite believe she has the game to win a title. I like her alot but again haven’t gotten to see her on the telly much due to her sporadic appearances on the tour. Hopefully I will get to see her “live” in Cincinnati next week.

Veno: So sorry about mistaking your gender. Big Oops.


Von Says:

“Sinnet: Von, like me, has often proclaimed her imminent departure. I usually last a few weeks, Von seems unable to handle the lack of attention for more than about half a day.” grendel:

Again, none of your damn business. Since when you have the right to dictate for how long I post, when and how much (you’ve complained that myself and jane post too much), and when I leave and return. the times I’ve left (mainly due to your harassment which is never-ending) have lasted for weeks, but that’s not the truth you want to hear, is it? My comings and goings are again, none of your damn business. You run true to form with your story-telling — gosh can you tell a story or what? Why don’t you begin writing a book, anything, just leave me the hell alone. BTW, I responded to you on the other thread that you followed me around.


Von Says:

grendel: Know what, I am so sick of this garbage, it’s unbelievable the stamina you have for this sort of stuff. I suppose the only way to solve this problem is to give you what you want — my permanent absence from this site. Nothing else will suffice, not ignoring you for sure, because you just follow me around pursuing me relentlessly. Can anyone be this miserable. It’s unbelievable.


Veno Says:

Tenisbebe says: Veno: So sorry about mistaking your gender. Big Oops.

That’s ok bebe, now if we had met in person and you still would have mistaken my gender…..then we would have a problem hahahaha….


grendel Says:

Von

You said – as I have done – that you had left. Of course, you changed your mind almost instantly, and a bit embarrassed, you pretended it was just the thread you’d left. That’s all. Kind of typical. I’ll reply on the other thread.


Von Says:

grendel: “Von …You said – as I have done – that you had left. Of course, you changed your mind almost instantly, and a bit embarrassed, you pretended it was just the thread you’d left. That’s all. Kind of typical. I’ll reply on the other thread.”

Not that’s it’s any of your damn business again, but what the hell do you really want from me? How do you know I didn’t mean the thread? If I was leaving the site, I would have said, like I’ve done in the past, ‘I’M LEAVING’. Why can’t you just leave me the ^&&*(() alone? Are you on some mission to establish that I’m a liar for the whole of Tennis.X, posters, staff, et al.? Alright, I’LL DO IT JUST FOR YOU:

NOW HEAR THIS: ONE AND ALL, TO PLEASE GRENDEL, MY SELF-APPOINTED JUDGE AND JURY, WHO’S A MIND READER AND KNOWS THE INNERMOST WORKINGS OF MY MIND, PLEASE NOTE:

I’M CONFESSING THAT I’M A LIAR, THE WORST PERSON ON PLANET EARTH AND GUILTY OF SELF-DECEPTION. I’M GUILTY OF THE WORST CRIMES KNOWN TO MANKIND AND I WILL BE PRESENTING MYSELF TO MY PRIEST THIS EVENING FOR CONFESSION.

Is this satisfactory grendel? If not let me know and/or write what you think I should say. BTW, when is enough, ever enough for you, or have you completely lost it?


grendel Says:

“How do you know I didn’t mean the thread?”

Of course, strictly speaking, I don’t know. But it is common sense. One doesn’t generally make a big song and dance, as you did, about leaving a thread. That is really peculiar. And you said “Bye” to your pal on another thread, enjoyably chats and so on. When you changed your mind, you indulged in a fairly tortuous thought process to change the original meaning – this was pretty clear. Everybody thought you’d left. Except me, actually. I’ve seen all this before. None of that matters, of course – but it is symptomatic.

As always, you try to trivialise things to make them look silly. I don’t claim to know the inner workings of your mind. I barely know the inner workings of my own. But I can read what you write. You think you can just pour excrement all over people, and then forget all about it, and proceed to have a nice little chinwag with your pals. That’s not very realistic. People get hurt. They remember. When I see you carelessly stamping on people, driving them away without a thought, and then going on about your rights, I remember the sort of stuff you have said about me, barely credible stuff really. When someone like you goes on about being compassionate, I just want to be sick. Everyone feels compassionate sometimes, it’s the way we’re made. But people who are deeply compassionate don’t just engage in it when it suits them, after they’ve got someone squirming and wriggling on the ground, perhaps. And they never talk about it, ever. They just are compassionate.

Like you with me (as you mentioned on other thread) I tend to scroll past your posts. It’s difficult to do it consistently, though, sometimes one just catches something, and then reads on. Fatal, obviously. I’ll try to be more assiduous in avoiding your stuff in future.

What did I want from you? Just some tiny smattering of recognition of the harm and hurt you’ve carelessly sprayed around you. I’ve failed, predictably. Time to draw a line.


huh Says:

I like tennis bullies’s actual name is ‘I like tennis butties’. Now I got it! ;)

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