Murray, Djokovic Dominant on Day 2 at US Open; X-Notes
by Staff | September 2nd, 2009, 1:45 am
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All four Top 10 seeds in action Tuesday at the US Open advanced in straight sets, with No. 2 Andy Murray, No. 4 Novak Djokovic, No. 7 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, and No. 10 Fernando Verdasco into the second round.


“If you play a big server who has been the third player of the world, won a Davis Cup, had a lot of titles under his belt, so much experience, you’ve got to be cautious,” said Djokovic, who eased past Ivan Ljubicic, dropping only seven games. “He’s got a baby on his way recently. He’s not on his best as he was a couple years ago. He hits the ball well and he serves great. I was aware of his quality.”

Murray straight-setted the Latvian slacker Ernests Gulbis, Tsonga initiated American junior Chase Buchanan 6-0, 6-2, 6-1, and Verdasco tamed German Benjamin Becker 7-5, 6-4, 7-5.

“I thought a high standard of match,” Murray said. “You know, I had a few chances in the third set to go up breaks. I had Love-30 in the first game, maybe Love-40 in the second service game, then a couple times in the first two sets where I was up a break and got broken straight back pretty much. You know, I was giving him chances to break me. When it was sort of on serve, and I needed to, I didn’t give him many chances at all.”

Other seeded winners were (11) Fernando Gonzalez topping Chilean countryman Nicolas Massu, (16) Marin Cilic beating American Ryan Sweeting in straights, (17) Tomas Berdych straight-setting American Wayne Odesnik, (22) Sam Querrey straight-setting Mike Yani, and (30) Viktor Troicki beating Aussie Peter Luczak 6-1 in the fifth.

On the upset tip was Spain’s Ivan Navarro topping No. 27 Ivo Karlovic in straights, American Jesse Witten stomping No. 29 Igor Andreev in straights, and Ecuador’s Nicolas Lapentti reaching back to his Anna Kournikova-dating glory days with a five-set win over No. 19 Stan Wawrinka.

Highlights of Wednesday play is Richard Gasquet vs. (3) Rafael Nadal, (1) Roger Federer vs. Simon Greul, Jurgen “Tuna” Melzer vs. Marat Safin, (6) Juan Martin Del Potro vs. Juan Monaco in an all-Argentine, (13) Gael “Force” Monfils vs. Jeremy Chardy in an all-French, Al Martin vs. (18) David Ferrer in an all-Spanish, and (24) Juan Carlos Ferrero vs. Fabrice “The Magician” Santoro.
  
TENNIS-X NEWS, NOTES, QUOTES AND BARBS

Martina Hingis will appear on the British TV reality show ‘Strictly Come Dancing’ starting this month…

Donald Young said Monday at the US Open after a loss that right before the tournament, he got a letter from USTA officials offering him full-time training at the Boca Raton, Fla., or Carson, Calif., centers if he would essentially dump his overbearing parents and let the USTA guide his training. He says his parents got him to where he is now and he can’t leave them behind. Meanwhile, the men’s tour has left him behind…

Serena Williams has failed to win a title in her last 16 WTA Tour-level events (not including Slams)…

Novak Djokovic on working with Todd Martin: “Yes, I can confirm now that we started cooperating and working. The last couple weeks we have been negotiating and trying to work things out. Definitely we started working Monday after Cincinnati. We spend the whole week together away from the site at one place in New Jersey. We had a lot of hours on the court daily, and of course fitness with my coach, really trying hard to work on some things to improve the game and get ready for the most important tournament in this period of the year. So Todd, being a top-five player, playing a couple finals of the Grand Slams, and, of course, many other tournaments, and he’s very respected in the tennis world, and he’s a person that can help me a lot in any way, his experience.  And he brought freshness to our team, which is always welcome…I was, you know, thinking about working with somebody that can help me out with my, you know, serve and my volley game, you know, a lot of different variety, and somebody that has been on top of the men’s tennis, and somebody that has a positive attitude and great experience. I think Todd is a perfect guy for that. He always looks for positives, and this is exactly what I need.”…

Novak Djokovic on his meltdown last year after beating Andy Roddick: “Well, look, I mean, this is past. What happened last year, the way I get it, to be honest, was like, I don’t know, a fight with a girlfriend. Just a little fight with a girlfriend. These things happen. It was something that everybody can learn from it. I always felt like at home here. I played so well last three years. I see no reason for me thinking about something that happened already.”…

How strange is the ESPN telecast with the McEnroe brothers not quite in sync, and John hating on Brad Gilbert, and Patrick playing the moderator between the two?


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532 Comments for Murray, Djokovic Dominant on Day 2 at US Open; X-Notes

jane Says:

“the Latvian slacker” – ha ha. Think you may’ve pinned this one Staff.

“Jurgen “Tuna” Melzer vs. Marat Safin” – unfortunate draw for Marat’s final bow here; Melzer can be a tough out from time-to-time. Didn’t he have Murray on the ropes here last year? Hope Safin can prevail, but not betting the farm on it.

“Gael “Force” Monfils vs. Jeremy Chardy” – wouldn’t be shocked at an upset here; Chardy has some talent. Depends with Gael turns up maybe.

“Roger Federer vs. Simon Greul” – how come Fed’s playing again tomorrow? Didn’t he play with Roddick, Davy, et al on day one? Are Roddick, Davy et al also playing tomorrow?

“Serena Williams has failed to win a title in her last 16 WTA Tour-level events (not including Slams)” – Umm, and people wonder why she’s not number 1.


jane Says:

“John hating on Brad Gilbert” – ?? missed that, will have to watch for it tomorrow.


jane Says:

I noticed that Fed is playing the first night match instead of Serena, who plays the last one on Authur Ashe – is this a first? I know Roddick talked about it in his post-match interview after playing so late yesterday night. But Murray/Gulbis were still after Sharapova’s match, so I wonder if this is the first time they are putting the men on first? If so, Fed should thank Andy R. ; )

I see that Hewitt is also playing from Fed’s section, so I guess they stagger the top half and bottom half players once day one & two are finished, i.e., in terms of scheduling. Fed follows Rafa tomorrow, so Ashe ticket holders will be pleased. They get to see both Williams sisters and Fed and Nadal if they have all day tickets to Ashe.


JDC Says:

The brothers were definitely not in sync, but I only remember a few times that JMac challenged Gilbert … one was pretty bad: when Gulbis missed a volley, Gilbert insisted that Murray’s shot was going out, and JMac responded, “really, looked in to me” in a low-volumed, sarcastic tone.


Gordo Says:

Jane – you are Canadian, right?

First up on Ashe – Wozniak vs Mauresmo.

This is the first time the Quebec native has been on the big stage at a grand slam and she says she is no longer unnerved by the prospect. Mauresmo is hit and miss these days, so who knows?

And speaking of Canadians (and more Quebec natives), it was nice seeing Dubois hand the world #1 junior a tuning yesterday. I was unable to watch the match, but to break 7 of your opponent’s 8 service games means either your return was dead on or your opponent’s serve was incredibly off. Probably a combo of the two.

Anyway, it’s nice seeing someone other than Nesty carrying the red maple leaf in these tourneys. Good luck to both Canadian ladies.


Gordo Says:

Correction – it is the THIRD time, not the FIRST that Wozniak has played in the largest arena before a Grand Slam audience. Makes sense now, right?


jane Says:

Gordo, thanks for the update – yeah I knew about Wozniak and Mauresmo. Aleksandra will have her hands full, but it should be a fun experience for her nonetheless.

I don’t usually follow the juniors too closely, more or less just keep track of the latter rounds, but that’s also good to hear, as it means the game may be growing over here.


Ted Hutchinson Says:

This U.S. Open has been one of the best event venues ever in the history of tennis. ESPN2 coverage is amazing and keeps it fresh with all the new hosts. Mike Tirico is a total spaz who is clueless to tennis but it seems to work. The Tennis Channel is great with Martina and Ted Robinson but Jimmy Connors is not very exciting as a commentator he practically puts me to sleep.


jane Says:

I guess the forceful Monfils showed up today. He’s in Nadal’s section. Nadal could meet Monfils in R16 and Tsonga in the quarters, before Murray or JMDP in the semis. Could be tough.


Duro Says:

Hi Jane! I can’t forgive you for not seeing Nole’s match…


Ted Hutchinson Says:

Monfils is pounded this poor guy from France.


i am it Says:

wozniak is up a set and may upset mauresmo.
looks like with 2 sets lead monfils is heading to dispatch chardy in straight.


i am it Says:

the queen of grunt larcher de brito is gone. i am gonna miss her.


i am it Says:

with that break mauresmo may not be able to comeback. go woz.


jane Says:

Hi Duro – I know; it just so happened that had to take my son and his friend to the fair as it was the only day before school starts that they could go. I checked the scores first thing aS soon as I walked in the door!


i am it Says:

wow wozniak bagels mauresmo in the 2nd set and shocks the vet. canada should have a national holiday for that bagel.


jane Says:

Come on Safin; win today!


i am it Says:

give it up for retiring safin’s great start.


jane Says:

Woot Marat! Keep it up. Have to go to meeting unfortunately, but I hope he wins in straights.


Gordo Says:

Wozniak over Mauresmo 6-4, 6-0, and in the first set she was down 0-2, 15-40.

It was a combination of Wozniak turning it on and Mauresmo looking really out of sorts.

Next up for the Canadian – Italy’s Flavia Pennetta, who tuned Wozniak the only time they met – last year in LA, 6-1, 6-0. It will be interesting to see how Aleksandra does in 2 days.

One thing is certain; between today’s match and Dubois knocking off Mladenovic yesterday you have to think France is not enamoured with Canada, as far as women’s tennis goes.


Duro Says:

Jane, let me tell you from the first hand how Nole did yesterday. Sharp, concentrated, efficient, fast, movable, full of anticipation, great serve return, unusually small amount of unforced errors (he made third one on the set point of the second set), in control all the time, clean deep shots, great serve (speed and percentage), precise, flawless drop shots, had faced no break point, determine and confident like I didn’t see him in a while. I don’t know what was SG watching, but believe me, with that kind of approach to the game and with his new Tod Martin’s confidence and support, I am expecting big result this time. He obviously doesn’t want to do poor on another GS, 3 in a row is more than enough for the player of his caliber. You’ll see the difference the first time you have a chance to watch him play. Only obstacle will be A-Rod but this time he will pass it. 4th time would be too much not to. So, I’m expecting semis at least this year.


vared Says:

I really like Ernests and he is a good looking kid too. With all the money he has it’s a shame he can’t advance. Hopefully he will hire the best coaches and physios and get really hungry.

Djok seems to be pleased with Todd Martin. I think he will help as much as he can. If Novak really has asthma issues or diaphragm problems as John McEnroe alluded to then I wonder how far he can go due to limitations in his physiology?

Donald Young you have one last chance here, dump your parents.

I saw Judy Murray in the box too. She needs to stay home or Delpo will razz Andy again. Judy he’s a big boy now. lol

I would like Nadal to win his side and Roddick or Djok to win the other.


tenisbebe Says:

Santoro is frustrating the Mosquito already & it’s only 1-all. I like Connors commentary so far – he & Bill are not talking non-stop like they do on ESPN. Jimmy just said he played Santoro when he was still on tour – WOW! That was a while ago.

Flavia double bageled Mirza – what the hell is going on with Sania? Flavia doesn’t the overwhelming game to justify that score.

Safin lost the second and now is not moving his feet – C’mon Marat!


tenisbebe Says:

Duro – Nole looked very sharp vs Ivan. Jane – For me it was a boring match as Ivan wasn’t there and I don’t enjoy beatdowns. Congrats to your man on his first round win.


Dan Martin Says:

If you think of the connections Jimmy has – Connors d. Rosewall 1974, Agassi d. Connors 1988 and 1989, Agassi d. Federer 2001 and Federer d. Agassi 2004 & 2005 – To have 2 degrees of separation between today’s #1 and someone like Ken Rosewall because of Jimmy (and Andre and Rosewall of course) – but tennis history really has these figures who transcend generations and tie it all together.


Duro Says:

Tenisbebe, I never said it had been a good match. I only said about Nole being good, and even that only because Jane didn’t see it and some wise guy told her that he wasn’t. How are you, by the way? How’s in Chicago?


tenisbebe Says:

TC aired Connors interviewing Safin. He seemed more relaxed and forthcoming than I have seen him before.

Guys – note Santoro’s tennis shirt, very snappy.

Can’t believe ESPN hired JMac for the Open, the guy is such a tool. He started yesterday during a match saying they should switch to a different match, show something else as he thought the one they were commentating on was boring, in that whiny complaining voice he can get, Chris Fowler just laughed & said they had plenty of producers. I hope they get rid of him after the Open – they have a very good team without him & Tirico (whose bright idea was that?) & now everyone has to tiptoe around him. Andre slammed him right off the bat Monday nite when he joined them in the booth saying, “John, why do you still get so upset during matches?” Haha. The guys still a jackass.


i am it Says:

sorry to see safin lose in the 1st round of his last career slam.


tenisbebe Says:

Duro – Hi ya! Yes, I know you were giving Jane an analysis of Nole’s performance in that match (spot on) as she missed seeing it. I just added that so she wouldn’t feel too bad about having missed it. I say them play each other 1st round in Cincinnati 2 weeks ago so I watched some other matches yesterday for the most part.

How are you? Rafa is my man this tournament but if he can’t do it this year then wouldn’t mind either Roddick, Murray or Djoko to win it.


tenisbebe Says:

s/b “I saw them play…”


Veno Says:

Hi all…

From what I read Ivanovic-Bondarenko was quite the thriller wasn’t it?

Margot, congrats on Murray, a disciplined win in straights against a dangerous player!

Jane, I also saw Novak play. Although Ljubicic left his spirit in the locker room, Novak looked good and solid for a first round match. Only 7 UE and he was hitting the ball cleanly, with authority. His serve was good too! If he keeps this up, he can make a great run. If he faces Randy in the quarters it will be 50-50 imo based on both their respective forms.


Veno Says:

Ai!!!!! Pity Marat wasn’t able to follow up the first set. An era comes to an end this being Marat’s last GS match. I feel sad :(


tenisbebe Says:

Crap! Marat’s gone in 4 sets. Veno, now you’re using the “Randy” & “Mandy” nicks?


Von Says:

tenisbebe:

“Andre slammed him right off the bat Monday nite when he joined them in the booth saying, “John, why do you still get so upset during matches?” Haha. The guys still a jackass.

I think Agassi’s comment went over Johnnie Mac’s head on Monday night — he didn’t seem to get it and continued in the same negative vein, as per usual.

I’d guess that Johnnie Mac is not happy being thrown in with the other guys in the commentator’s booth, because for years he’s been the center of attention between his two side-kicks, Robinson and Carillo, who kowtows to him at every turn and word, and lets him run the show by agreeing with everything he says. Contrast that former position of exalted highness to his present position with ESPN as a co-commentator, with, Fowler and Tirico being the head honchos, mainly running the show, and everyone else as a little PEON, including Johnnie Mac, and you’ve got one unhappy, miserable and grumpy commentator in good, ol’ Johnnie Mac. I love it! LOL.


Von Says:

Veno: Hi to you too. Yes, what a pity Safin had to lose so early in this his final GS. I feel sad for him and the sport of tennis.


Veno Says:

hey bebe, yes you guys start rubbing off on me :)

But as per usual(wink Von) I will use different ones to seperate myself from the pack.

From now on I will call them AndyRo and AndyMu


Veno Says:

Kiefer beat Llodra in straights…Would have thought that 1 to be closer….

And Von… Maria was 3-1 up in the third but it’s all square at 3-3 again…Hope she wins!


Veno Says:

I saw by the way Wa-wa lost after leading 2-0 and a break up in the third? Wow, already counted his win.
Stan doesn’t seem to be able to make that next step to be among the big guys. Pity, I adore his BH


Von Says:

Veno: Keep it simple: Use Andy R. and Andy M.

I saw some interesting articles on your fave but won’t post them. i think you have your hands full with watching the matches and work — I know I do.


Veno Says:

Wow, La Monf hammered Chardy and Alexandra beat Amelie quite easily…Did she have an off-day?
Good win for Alexandra…Go Canucks! but I am a little sad Amelie is out…


Veno Says:

Thanks Von, but you don’t have to post links on my fave, because chances are I already read those.
I read up on my man on a daily basis, but of course if there’s an interesting article you come across, I appreciate you posting it!!!

Maria K. 4-4, hope she’ll get the win…
Go Maria!!!!!1(the cute one, not shriekapova)


Veno Says:

Ok, bets are on…

I think Richard will get 8 games at most against Rafa


Veno Says:

Yesssssssss

Maria broke woohoooo!!!
Now hold serve!!!!!!!


Veno Says:

Anyone see Dr. Windmill’s match?

He lost in straights!!!!

What happened there?


Duro Says:

Tenisbebe, I’m fine. After Nole Rafa is my man too. I learn to respect him as a warrior and after that lack of luck that he had recently I support him utterly to regain his reigning positions. I don’t like Fed and Murray at all. I respect Fed’s skills and ingeniousness, but don’t like him. Murray I don’t like in any possible way, his game particularly.


Von Says:

Veno: I’m sad Mauresmo is out of the USO. I have a feeling that this is her last GS due to her statement earlier this year that she was thinking of retiring but wanted to give herself the opportunity to play some more. Hopefully, she’ll stick around.

Yes, I know you meant Maria K, not the Shrieka. Did you watch the Shrieka’s match last night? I watched for a few games and the shrieks did it for me, so I decided to get some office work done before Murray’s match began. I saw her interview with Pam Shriver where she went into detail on the dress (which I think looks busy among other things) and her mention of the ‘Tiffany’ earrings. sheesh and LOL. Most people who live in NYC or the big cities I’m sure have at least one piece or more of jewelry from Tiffany’s, so her mention of the ‘Tiffany’ earrings was a bit tasteless to me. I think it’s wrong of all the tournment organizers to put her on in primetime because she’s not ranked highly enough to be the marquee featured match on any given night IMO.


Veno Says:

Woohoooooooooooooooooooo

Maria K, cutest player on tour, got the job done! She’s back! She played very good tennis. This was a great match! Good mental effort by Maria to get back after being hammered in the second. She got 44 winners!!! Some very good tennis also by Radwanska, like her tennis also… and good candy for the eyes too!

Maria made my day!


Von Says:

Hey Veno, Kim Clijsters is playing as I write. I have three matches side-by-side on my computer screen from two different streaming websites, and it’s wonderful. I’ve given up on watching TV and am recording the matches due to the continuous breaks from ESPN which frustrates me to no end since the breaks are done at inopportune moments, IMO.


Von Says:

Wow, does Bartoli have a weird service prep or what? LOL.


Veno Says:

I totally agree with you Von, but you know that, I’m not susceptible (hominus susceptus…I know you like Latin) to the Maria Sharapova hype.

She’s more a marketing product than a tennis player, for organizations to exploit, and she loves having the celebrity status of a Hollywood star.
I don’t really get it as she is not even in the top 10 of hottest players in the WTA. She’s blonde and all legs, but for some reason she’s the big star.

Ah well, fine by me. More power to her. I just don’t enjoy watching her play, but a lot of people do so it’s ok I guess.


Veno Says:

I’m watching Kimmi on the computer and am watching Rafa on the tele…

I’m so happy Maria got to the third round playing great tennis. She has been struggling the past year and a half. She was really overjoyed after winning.

She’s the only player in the WTA that I would flat out ask to go on a date with me if I were to meet her :)


i am it Says:

my favorite rafa starts strong with a break. hope he goes all the way.


Veno Says:

BTW Von, I watched a replay of Dent’s win over F. Lopez. Not the best match, but the most entertaining match of the tourney so far…
2 serve and volley players with big serves and nice touch around the net.

Good to see Taylor back after that horrible back injury(he’d never play again) and his running BH down the line was sweet as honey…

Nadal already broke Richard


tenisbebe Says:

Hi Von! I hope they show the Clijsters match on TC, am taping Rafa match on ESPN. OK – now I am going to stream it. Virginia Wade is commentating – how great.

I am so with you re: JMac. The guy is a total tool. Not that Connors is an exemplar of on-court behavior but no wonder Connors still can’t stand JMac.

I love Richard Gasquet’s game – what a pity that he plays Rafa 1st round.


Veno Says:

Looks like Bartoli wants to get revenge on Kimmi’s win over her in Cincy


Veno Says:

El mosquito serving for the match against the magician…

Fabrice is playing his 69th Slam and he’ll drop to a w-l record of 63-69. He’s such a great guy and it’s amazing he has had the attitude to keep his career going for so long in the slams while losing more matches than winning them….


blah Says:

good to see Gasquet on court again, even if he gets crushed by Rafa, which will probably happen.


Veno Says:

Kimmi breaks back while Bartoli was serving for the 1st set!!


tenisbebe Says:

Veno – the “Randy, Mandy” thing was not “us”, the tennis-x bloggers but one poster only. I had to tease you as I do not like those nicknames. Americans love nicknames.

So glad that Maria K won! I remember the 1st time I saw her play on the telly was at the FO 2004 I think and she was absolutely crushing the ball. I have been surprised that she hasn’t found more success.

Did you see my comments re: my fave ladies of the ones I met? Cirstea is near the top of the list.

I will miss Santoro too – Love that Rene La shirt he is wearing!


Von Says:

Veno: Ahhsoo: you love blondes, as in Kirilenko. there’s another poster here who loves her also, so you have competition. I don’t understand what Maria sees in Andreev (looks wise) but I suppose he has a great personality. Those bowed legs will be a turn off for me. LOL.

I love Dent’s S&V game and am so happy to see him playing again; he appears to have lost some weight which is good for his back. I’m just wondering though, how long he’ll be able to play before his back begins acting up again. Roddick and Dent are good friends.
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tenisbebe: ESPN is showing Nadal’s match and I don’t know what TC is showing, since I’ve gotten tired of walking back and forth from my study to the family room only to wait through the endless ESPN breaks and talkinggggg! I’m watching live streaming on my computer (until I get tired of sitting), with Nadal, Ferrero and Clijsters side by side and it’s wonderful.


tenisbebe Says:

Woo hoo – Kimmi broke back.


Veno Says:

Oh my, if Gasquet only had a champion’s mentality….

So much talent, it’s almost scary


Von Says:

blah: It’s looks as though Nadal wants to eat Richard for lunch! OUCH. I feel badly for Gasquet to have to play a first round match v. Nadal after such a long hiatus. Why couldn’t he draw somebody like Starace, Ljub or Bolelli?


i am it Says:

rafa is showing good signs he is in this to win the whole thing. he may not be 100% but he will be as he heads deeper into the second week. go rafa.


blah Says:

Von- haha. I think even if he played someone like that he would go out in the first two rounds. He’s still rusty, his forehand is not good for hardcourts, and he’s still not mentally strong enough. Better to play against top competition and get that feeling back rather than lose to a no name guy right. I’d be happy if he gets even a set to tie break here.


huh Says:

Oh my God, Rafa also doesn’t have that much of an easy draw! However it seems Djoko’s in good mood, good for him.


tenisbebe Says:

Crap – Kim is not playing her best but C’mon girl!!!


tenisbebe Says:

Von says “with Nadal, Ferrero and Clijsters side by side and it’s wonderful.” LOL well said mon amie.

They are showing Robby and Pavel on TC btw.


Veno Says:

bebe says: “Did you see my comments re: my fave ladies of the ones I met? Cirstea is near the top of the list.

I will miss Santoro too – Love that Rene La shirt he is wearing!”

Yes I saw bebe, Sorana Cirstea is my newest cutie, but Maria Kirilenko I have been following a long time.

For me, by far the cutest on tour :)

I loved Fabrice’s shirt. He’s such a great character, especially with those cheeky eyes and grin :)

Von: Yes, I am a sucker for blondes, but I have also had brunettes and a redhead as girlfriends :)

So hair color doesn’t tilt the scale whether I’ll fall for a woman.

You say: “there’s another poster here who loves her also, so you have competition.”

My answer: “hah, I doubt if I have competition from this fellow blogger :)” I call dibs on M.K.

I don’t engage in competition over a woman(especially over some one I will never meet)

Just essing with ya Vonnie, I know what you mean :-D


Von Says:

blah:

“Better to play against top competition and get that feeling back rather than lose to a no name guy right. I’d be happy if he gets even a set to tie break here.”

Nah, for me, I’d rather see him play weaker competition in the first three rounds and build up some form and confidence, then if he goes out to a top guy, he’ll still have progressed a few rounds resume, confidence and money wise.


Veno Says:

add the m in front of the essing of course


blah Says:

Von- the thing is I am not sure he would get past a weaker guy. He lost in qualifiers after all in the last tournament. Anyway, good to see him back on tour. He should come to the net more, he has a wonderful net game.


Von Says:

Veno: I get your drift about competition that youll probably never meet.

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tenisbebe: I have TC up on my screen too and am watching Ginepri. As per the LG slogan, ‘Life’s Good’ and I’m in heaven. LOL.


huh Says:

And if Rafa’s in good mood too, then who’s in bad mood? ;) I really want Rafa v Murray semi!


Veno Says:

Wow, Cuevas is hammering Guccione in straights…
Did not expect that…


tenisbebe Says:

Kimmy struggled a little in that 1st game of the 2nd set but ended it strongly. OK – let’s go girl!


Von Says:

blah: To me those qualifiers are tough and are match grooved as opposed to guys like Starace, Bolelli and Ljub who have not played much over the past two to three months, having gone out of tourneys early. Last year, that quali guy Koelerer gave Roddick a tough, tough time, but he’s a bit touched in the head and the worst player anyone should have to play on the ATP tour.


Veno Says:

Von, to close the M.K. subject, Andreev or not, I would ask her out if I were to meet her :) Am taller and bigger than Igor anyway hehehe

How’s Ginepri looking?


tenisbebe Says:

Kim is spraying her FH. Lord have mercy, Kim has 22 UE & Marion has 20!


Von Says:

Nadal is playing defensively and is also pushing Richard far back, but then Rafa in one quick step changes to offense and/or attack to finsh off the point at the net.


tenisbebe Says:

The crowd is so pro-Kim, mucj to Virginia Wade’s dismay. Robby’s up 3-1 in the 1st – just broke Pavel.


tenisbebe Says:

YES – Kimmy broke Marion!!!


Von Says:

Veno: Ginepri is looking just OK, but Pavel is not much competition and is an older guy who hasn’t played much, which means Ginepri should win this match, but you never know with Ginepri.


Veno Says:

Agree Von, Richard looks very rusty and isn’t able to control Rafa’s pace.


Colin Says:

There’s a lady playing by the name of Strycova. That’s almost as good a tennis name as Smashnova! What happened to her?
Many many years ago, a British newspaper columnist invented a Russian ballerina called Tumbelova. I always liked that.
I’m not watching the match, but Bartoli won the first set. Shouldn’t Kim be able to handle her reasonably easily?


Von Says:

blah: Did you see that boo boo Richard just made? WOW, if that’s not rust, then what do we call that?.


tenisbebe Says:

Veno – re: you would ask her out if you met her. When my media friend saw my Women’s Locker Room badge at Cincy he said next year, he was going to dress up as a woman and apply for my position. haha.

Kim is beginning to feed Marion alot of loopy crap, being more patient and then going in for the kill.


Von Says:

Colin:

“Many many years ago, a British newspaper columnist invented a Russian ballerina called Tumbelova. I always liked that.”

As in ‘thumbelina the ballerina’? LOL.


Veno Says:

tenisbebe Says:

Veno – re: you would ask her out if you met her. When my media friend saw my Women’s Locker Room badge at Cincy he said next year, he was going to dress up as a woman and apply for my position. haha.

LOL!!!! Good 1 of your media friend.

And yes, I would ask her out, even if she were to laugh in my face…I’d still smile ear to ear


Veno Says:

Hey Bebe, did you know Kim grew up in a small Belgian village not even 3 miles from where I grew up and again live now?

She’s really nice and down to earth. Hasn’t got a bad bone in her body


tenisbebe Says:

Colin – they were both making alot of errors in the first set, Kim particularly on her FH, Bartoli with her serve.


Veno Says:

Bartoli is crumbling


tenisbebe Says:

Veno – yes I remember you mentioning that on another thread. She is a doll – I talked with her a few times. Ana Ivanovic (who is also very down-to-earth) gave her a big hug before her 1st match, welcoming her back. Jimmy Connors interviewed Kim for TC & she said one thing she’s noticed with the “new” girls on tour is they hit the ball very hard from the back court but have no Plan B. A few of his interviewees have said things to Connors that they probably wouldn’t have otherwise as he puts them at ease.


tenisbebe Says:

Bartoli called the trainer. She does this all the time to stall for time.


Von Says:

Veno: See what I mean with Ginepri, he was up two beaks and has lost them.
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tenisbebe: Bartoli is engaging with some gamesmanship there. I guess she’s taken a page out of some of the other players’ book. LOL.


tenisbebe Says:

JMac is such an ass. At 5-2 in the first he said someone needs to slap or shake Richard as he is playing in a GS on Center Court. I’m sure Chris wanted to say something to him but held back. Hopefully Brad will start going after him – that would be fun.


Von Says:

Gasquet first serve percentage is very good, but his UEs are killing him.


tenisbebe Says:

Oops, S/b “at 5-2 in the 2nd”


Von Says:

ESPN need to get Johnnie Mac out of there before their ratings begin to fall. Johnnie Mac is the epitome of negativity personified. sheesh


tenisbebe Says:

Yes – Kim is up a break in the third. Bartoli has 10 double faults.


Von Says:

Now that Nadal is up two sets, ne needs to conserve his energy and preserve his knees and refrain from running down every ball.


jane Says:

Just got in – wah, Marat wah!!! : – (
I had high hopes as he’d cruised the first set before I had to leave.

I see Rafa is kicking Gasquet’s butt at the moment?

Duro – thanks kindly for the feedback on Novak’s play versus Ljubicic. It’s nice to hear a positive spin on things!


Daniel Says:

Nadal is impressive, almost no mistakes! But Gasquet is rusty, even so..so far a very solid performance, maybe he will go under the radar, just like AO.


tenisbebe Says:

Jane – Marat stopped moving his feet after he lost the first and made some poor shot selections. Too bad :-( Goodbye to him and to Fabrice.

I am hoping Kim can keep this break and maintain her focus.


Von Says:

Hey Daniel: How did you like our beautiful weather here in Florida? Were there enough thunderstorms? And, did you remember what I said to hold onto any posts you could find when the wind began gusting? LOL.


tenisbebe Says:

Veno – Kim may play a fellow Belgian in Flipkens the next round if she can put this match to bed.


jane Says:

Yep, too bad re: Safin tenisbebe, though Melzer was a bad first round draw. I have less problem saying bye to Santoro, since I’d kind of resolved myself to that last year (and he was kind of sucky vs. Roddick at the Open last year). But he will be missed, too, for his unique style and character; there’s certainly no one else really like him.

Hope Kim wins too!


tenisbebe Says:

Woo hoo!!!! Kimmi regrouped won! Marion will be crying in the locker room again I’ll bet.


jane Says:

Baptism of fire for Gasquet on his return…


tenisbebe Says:

Can’t believe neither TC or ESPN showed the Clijsters match. Somebody better show the Delpo match – up next.


scineram Says:

He says his parents got him to where he is now and he can’t leave them behind.

You get what you deserve.


tenisbebe Says:

scineram – such a disappointment to read this from Donald. Hopefully someone will talk to him and change his mind.


Veno Says:

Yeah, Kimmi won!!! Am glad!
Bebe, thanks for the inside info. You know how to make me smile.
I like Ana Ivanovic too, she’s pretty also. Shame on me for not mentioning Ana before Oy Vey!!

Rafa looked good. Richard was very on and off…

I thought Richard would get 8 games at most..
Missed it by one :)

Ouch Vonnie, Ginepri sure knows how to make your toes curl…He got a good second set, but is trailing a break early in the third…


i am it Says:

you gotta like dePo’s powerful flat forehands.


Veno Says:

Robby scraping back and leads 4-3 now. We’ll see what form JMDP is in. In further rounds he will probably play the possum game again…


i am it Says:

that was one of the best drop shots i have ever seen from dePo.


Von Says:

Veno: Ginepri is absolutely frustrating to watch at times. With him one break is never enough, not even two.

DelPotro should win this match without any problems; Monaco is not a HC player and doesn’t have DelPotro’s power, etc.


Veno Says:

Robby takes the third!


Von Says:

I see Koellerer is winning v. Machado. Oh my God is he a nightmare or what?


Veno Says:

7 breaks in the first set between Vania and Sam S….

Vania serving to take the first to 5


Von Says:

DelPotro will have an early Monaco dinner tonight LOL.


Veno Says:

I’m watching Ginepri Von.

He wins the award how to agonize the viewer best :)

Still love the guy though. Hope he gets the win in 4. Pavel should be wasted by now…


Von Says:

Anyone watching Simon?


Von Says:

Veno; On one of the ATDHE screens they’re showing girls in bathing suits. OOlalala.


Veno Says:

Beside you?


Veno Says:

Nice try Vonnie, but I’m not leaving the tennis for some models in bathing suits…


sar Says:

I read that the Donald was watching JJ play.

I also noticed that Novak doesn’t get a night match and they have him on Armstrong for Thurs. a.m. Correct me if I am wrong. I hope he uses this slight to power him up.
Mon Roddick
Tues Murray
Wed Fed
Thurs Roddick


tenisbebe Says:

Von – Ginepri is about as frustrating as Stosur. God! If Sam loses to Vania King I may have to go slit my wrists!

Is Simon playing? I’m going to watch that instead.


Von Says:

Beside who? what?


Veno Says:

Ginepri serving at 4-0 up and 2-1 up in sets…
Seems like he’s going to do it..

Going to switch to Gillie Simonie and see if he’s up to his antics again…


Von Says:

Simon is already down a break.


tenisbebe Says:

Von – do you have a link to the Simon match. I can’t find it on ATDHE. THanks.


Veno Says:

Simon better wake up, almost got a double break against…


Von Says:

Sar:

I think Roddick would gladly give Djoko the night slot. I’ve heard Andy state when he plays a night match his whole day is wasted as he keeps thinking only of the upcoming match and can’t enjoy his day. On Monday night it was 60 degrees and the match finished after midnight, which means the next day is wasted also.


Von Says:

tenisbebe: — Here’s the link: for simon’s match

http://www.fromsport.com/


Veno Says:

Robby dealt a bagle to Pavel.
Sam S has a lot of difficulties against Vania. She better get her act together


Von Says:

Veno: Finally, Ginepri closed out the match!!!!!


jane Says:

I am re-posting my comment made earlier this morning re: Fed’s night match being first, before the ladies:

“I noticed that Fed is playing the first night match instead of Serena, who plays the last one on Authur Ashe – is this a first? I know Roddick talked about it in his post-match interview after playing so late yesterday night. But Murray/Gulbis were still after Sharapova’s match, so I wonder if this is the first time they are putting the men on first? If so, Fed should thank Andy R. ; )”

Does anyone know if this is a first?


Veno Says:

How about this quote by a commentator:

“that second serve was so slow, Stosur could first walk her dog before hammering it past Vania.”


Veno Says:

Jane it’s not a first,

Last year if I recall it happened too that after a man’s night match there was still a women’s match. But I think it’s a rarity.

Fed probably requested to go first and got it. The perks of being Fed


Von Says:

Poor Monaco, DelPotro is just frustating him by retrieving so many balls — not a good match-up at all for Monaco..


Scottish Says:

Hey All, been watching the matches off and on today but knew if I started posting here I wouldn’t get any work done. LOL

Nadal looked strong today. Great to see. Anyone writing him off this USO might get a big surprise.

Great job by Aleksandra Wozniak, our Canadian girl!! Awesome to see her win and also give me something to cheer about on the WTA. :-)

JDMP looking strong. Things are lining up well for a great deep draw here and looking forward to watching more!


Von Says:

Veno: “Fed probably requested to go first and got it. The perks of being Fed.”

Don’t push the fire. I heard the commentators and Roddick state that the USO organizers will begin switching the ladies matches with the men’s matches on alternate nights. Nadal is yet to play a night match.


jane Says:

Thanks Veno; I couldn’t remember if it had ever happened before, but I agreed with Roddick’s point in his interview that there’s no reason they can’t mix it up.

sar – Djoko should be fine; I would imagine he’ll get a night match soon, just maybe not the first week? Certainly if he and Andy R are in the quarters, that will be a night match, so locals can see A-Rod play.


jane Says:

Von, I feel a bit bad for Monaco too – always liked him, and he can sometimes play very well on hardcourts. Delpo is playing a mixture of defense and offense, but definitely drawing out the rallies, which forces Juan to go for it and finish the point.


Scottish Says:

Who here is going for Monaco to win and why?


jane Says:

Scottish: “Great job by Aleksandra Wozniak, our Canadian girl”

Yes, I was happy to see her steady while Mauresmo went on walkabout. That kind of collapse can sometimes throw off the opponent too, but Wozniak took advantage and won quite easily. She may have a really tough match next round though (according to Gordo’s earlier post, she lost badly last time against her next opponent).


Von Says:

DelPotro will definitely meet Murray in the QF, as there’s no one to stop him en route there. I wish I could put Isner and Verdasco in DelPotro’s section and give Roddick Ferrero and Melzer. LOL


Von Says:

Simon came from behind and pulled out the first set. Good job Giles!


jane Says:

Scottish, for the tournament’s sake, I would be happy for Delpo to win, as he’s an up-and-comer who a lot of fans are beginning to follow. And while he’s not a top fave of mine, I like the guy. He can be exciting to watch sometimes; other times, not so much. Still, I can’t help feeling for the underdog, particularly because I have always liked Juan Monaco, even though he’s never really capitalized on his talent.


Veno Says:

Am I putting myself too near to the fire again?
Bad Veno!
It would be good if they start mixing it up.
Andy was super diplomatic and cool when bringing it up Monday night. Good for him!


Gordo Says:

Wozniak has had shoulder problems but now claims she is 100% again. She looked good today and can cause problems and is getting better as she gets fitter.

Her 3rd round opponent – the 10th seeded Italian beat her last year in LA (1 and love), but that was when Wozniak’s shoulder was ailing.

It should be interesting to see how Aleksandra fares in her next match. Nice that she was able to get a relatively easy win on Arthur Ashe Stadium, to help her get used to the crowd. Should she beat Pennetta she will have to get used to playing before more crowds. I’m sure she would welcome that.


Von Says:

Scottish:

“Who here is going for Monaco to win and why?”

What’s wrong with anyone pulling for Monaco, isn’t he a player? I don’t understand the why?


i am it Says:

f the top six dePo-monaco is the second best match after murray-gulbis, even if the score may not quite reflect the high quality battle.


Scottish Says:

Hey Von, Roddick looked in good form against Phau, any thoughts on his match against Gicquel?

And what was up with his ear? It seemed the ump was being a bit of a jerk but I don’t know the specific rules.


Veno Says:

Vania King beat Sam S in straights!!!!
The Americans are doing well so far!


tenisbebe Says:

Veno says: “Fed probably requested to go first and got it. The perks of being Fed” The tournaments in the US don’t give a crap who requests what – IT’S ALL ABOUT MONEY!

King won, where’s the razor?


tennisontherocks Says:

‘Veno Says:
Jane it’s not a first,

Last year if I recall it happened too that after a man’s night match there was still a women’s match. But I think it’s a rarity.

Fed probably requested to go first and got it. The perks of being Fed’

If my memory serves me right, the day session men’s match did not finish on time and then the women’s match was played after that one was over.

The only reason they don’t put men first is the men’s matches can go to the fifth set and the women have to wait till midnight to start. But the worst case scenario for women’s match is better. Since Greul does not appear to be the one to push Roger to fifth set, it’s a good time to try this out.


Scottish Says:

Von the question was just out of curiousity? Not so touchy. :) I’m just interested in his style of play and what people like about it. There’s nothing wrong with anyone cheering for anyone. That’s the beauty of sport!


Veno Says:

And Von, you worry too much about Isner and Querry…They both will take a maximum of 1 set off Roddick. Trust me


Von Says:

I thought Roddick’s match v. Phau was very entertaining.
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Veno: Yeah, bad, bad Veno — sensitive communication!!


Veno Says:

Fed is money bebe, as is Shriekapova


Von Says:

Scottish: Got ya!! Not touchy at all. It just sounded wierd to me that you’d be surprised anyone would root for Monaco. LOL. BTW, I don’t have a vested interest in the match so whomever wins is fine with me.


jane Says:

“King won, where’s the razor?” tenisbebe – I take it you wanted Sam S to win? ; (


tenisbebe Says:

Scottish Says: Hey Von, Roddick looked in good form against Phau, any thoughts on his match against Gicquel? And what was up with his ear? It seemed the ump was being a bit of a jerk but I don’t know the specific rules.

I know you asked Von this but thought I’d chime in. The ball kids are not allowed to touch anything with blood on it so they needed to get a bunch of towels for him as he was bleeding quite profusely.


Scottish Says:

I’m with you on that Veno, Roddick will not go down to Isner (assuming they meet up).

AR is really one of the top favourites and shouldn’t be troubled until the 4rth round. Even then he should be able to get into the 1/4s.


Veno Says:

I feel for Monaco…They might as well play a little 1 on 1 B-Ball, first to 21 to win….


Scottish Says:

tenisbebe – thanks for the input. What was weird to me was that it seemed the ump wasn’t letting AR touch his own ear. But maybe I saw it wrong.


Von Says:

tennisontherocks:

“The only reason they don’t put men first is the men’s matches can go to the fifth set and the women have to wait till midnight to start. But the worst case scenario for women’s match is better.”

I feel if the women want equal pay, then they should also equally be able to handle the discomforts the men have to suffer. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander! So I say, put them on after 1:00 pm, it won’t hurt them. BTW, I’m not a women’s lib gal. LOL.


tenisbebe Says:

Veno Says: “Fed is money bebe, as is Shriekapova”

So is Rafa and Serena and Venus and Roddick. The tournament has control of the schedule & they cater to the networks, both nationally and internationally NOT THE PLAYERS REQUESTS!
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Jane – yes LOL I wanted Sam to win and go far in the tournament but alas, she let me down again. Big win for Vania, making the most of her wildcard and knocking out the 15th seed. Congrats to her.
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tenisbebe Says:

Von says: “I feel if the women want equal pay, then they should also equally be able to handle the discomforts the men have to suffer.”

This is scary as I said almost the exact same thing this morning LOL. I believe this will be the first time they will have the men play first in the night session so it’s a good thing.


Veno Says:

bebe, I’m just yanking your chain!

I’m sorry, I know it’s bad of me, I’m a bad boy as Von put it.

I wasn’t serious w.r.t. the whole requesting thing.
Like any commercial bureaucratic organization would cater to player’s requests!


Von Says:

Scottish: I think Andy will do well vs. Gicquel; I’m concerned about Isner because he’s a giant and Roddick does not like playing against giants. he says Isner is ‘Sasquatch tall’ LOL.

On the ear bleeding, I think he took a tumble in the first game diving for a ball and scraped his ear. The ump was getting on his case because the ear was bleeding. I suppose with all the diseases contaminated through blood, they organizers are very careful about being sued, etc. I personally think the ball kids should wear gloves due to them having to hold the players’ sweaty towels, etc.


jane Says:

The thing with Andy R’s ear was weird; in his interview he made a joke about hairy ears, but seriously, he had no idea why it started bleeding – hope it’s nothing to be concerned about.

BTW, was Gulbis the worst at challenges last night? LOL. Between his crazy challenges, the ball boy/man’s and Murray’s wipe outs, Murray’s 55 mph serve, and the Macs in the booth, it was a wacky night. LOL.


jane Says:

Nice stretch volley from Monaco, but it’s unlikely he’ll get a set tonight. Delpo is just too steady.


Scottish Says:

Jane: probably the craziest challenges in a long time. He was way off. At least he was able to laugh at himself.


Von Says:

oops correction @ 6;24 pm:

“…on after 1:00 pm, it won’t hurt them…
s/b 11:00 pm.


Veno Says:

If you want to see the craziest challenge since the system has been used, go to youtube and type Safin+challenge :)

I bet e1 of you has seen it?


tenisbebe Says:

Veno – so you’re just being annoying? LOL OK
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Scottish – I didn’t see/hear that the ump didn’t want him to wipe his own ear but wouldn’t surprise me. He couldn’t see it and the umpire were so concerned about the blood on the court and the ball kids, it was like PEOPLE, he’s the one who’s bleeding! I wish someone would have gone over to him with peroxide or whatever and cleaned it up for him, I mean it’s not like he has a mirror on court.


Von Says:

Veno, yes, Safin has the craziest challenges of all. Do you remember that DC final match he played vs. Nalbandian in ’06 (?) where they were allowed unlimited challenges? Safin challenged almost every couple of shots, and Nlaby did nearly the same. OY VEY, it was a frustrating match to watch.


Veno Says:

If I was JMDP’s coach, in the coming off-season I would put him in the gym 3 hours daily, pumping iron and doing cardio…Make him into a 6’6″ Hulk


tenisbebe Says:

Von says: “personally think the ball kids should wear gloves due to them having to hold the players’ sweaty towels, etc.” LOLOLOLOL Now that would be an interesting look.


sar Says:

feel if the women want equal pay, then they should also equally be able to handle the discomforts the men have to suffer.

Yes, I agree.
They should play five sets in GS’s too or men play three.


Von Says:

Veno: You’re being a perfect nudzh today. LOL. Only kidding mon ami.


Veno Says:

Yeah I was bebe. You might have already guessed(or ask Von) I can be very annoying… though never for a long period of time :)
You wouldn’t catch me talking about issues seriously if I have no knowledge(this is an exapmle) of or about them :)


Veno Says:

*inverse the p and m in exapmle naturally


Veno Says:

Von Says:

Veno: You’re being a perfect nudzh today. LOL. Only kidding mon ami.

You know me hon!


Von Says:

Sar: Don’t get me started on the 5 GS thing with the women — it’s a pet peeve of mine and I think they have life too easy.
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tenisbebe: I’d never allow a kid of mine and when I have grand-children to be a ballkid. No way!


Daniel Says:

OMG, Hewitt is playing Chela and already releasing some c’mons!
Wasn’t Chela a few years ago that spit on Hewitt on a cross over the net in a match after a Davis Cup where Hewitt (n. 1 whwn asked about the upcoming tie) said that all argentines where on doping?!


Von Says:

Daniel: I think it was Coria who did the spitting. I think Hewitt had to get bodyguards when he played in Argentina for DC. LOL.

BTW, did you see my post on Florida?


tenisbebe Says:

Oh too funny. Hewitt and the Argentines trash talking and spitting. I didn’t hear about that incident.


Veno Says:

It was Coria, and there was no fun at all in Argentina….very eerie atmosphere wasn’t it Von?


tenisbebe Says:

They showed Marat’s “last” interview after his loss today and he had some strong words for his sisters detractors. It’s about time! Now if he would show up to support her at one of her GS final matches.


Daniel Says:

No Von, didn´t saw it. I am not being able to follow all the treads, miss too much already. All I know is that your State is awesome: the iates parked by the houses and the night life has nothing to lose compare to Brazil. Love it!

Thanks guys, I didn’t remember exactly who did the spitting, but I know that there is always tension when Hewitt is playing an argentine.


Von Says:

Veno & tenisbebe: It was ugly! I mean very, very ugly and sad. That little, short man Hewitt is what one would call a terrier. LOL.


Veno Says:

Lol Von, Lleyton is not so short. He stands 5″11″ which is half a cm over 1m80!


Von Says:

Daniel: Glad you loved my bu-ti-ful Florida. I love it here and won’t go back to NYC for all the money in the world. Our South Beach night life is incomparable. My son lives there and I worry about my little munchkin all of the time. LOL

Ancic also had an altercation with Chela and I believe it’s why you thought of Chela. The Argies sure know how to get into stuff with the other players. LOL.


Skorocel Says:

From the tennis-x.com’s trunk section:

“4. Novak DJOKOVIC
Maybe Todd Martin can help bring some confidence back to the man who used to tbe the king of F-U.”

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F-U = ?


Dan Martin Says:

Nice to see Ginepri win his first match since winning Indy.


Veno Says:

Don’t forget JMDP pawning AM on his mom!

And what about the soccer World Cup in Argentina in 1978. If the Netherlands would have won that final….oh my!!!!

That was during junta-times. Our lads(ok, I was only 1) were genuinely scared they would have been lynched if they would beat the Argentines


Von Says:

Veno: Federer’s match is on right now.

I will say goodnight to you as my neck and (?) is hurting from all this sitting, so to my TV and couch I go. Now be good, and go to sleep after Fed’s match, or else ?????? manana.

Meanwhile, DelPotro is killing poor Monaco. Ah the giants! LOL.


Dan Martin Says:

JMDP making quick work of things


Von Says:

Finally, JMDP fed Monaco a breadstick for dinner. LOL. I suppose Scottish is happy!


Veno Says:

Thanks Von!!!

Need me to give you a neck massage?


Scottish Says:

Good start for JMDP! He looked solid and will be tough to beat. Yep, Von, Happy. Now onto Fed!!


Scottish Says:

Nite Veno!


Scottish Says:

I mean Von. :-)


i am it Says:

for rafa fans, his interview is live right now on usopen.org and direct tv.


i am it Says:

roger’s darth black costume is back.


Dan Martin Says:

I liked Wertheim’s stuff on Hewitt and Safin. I think any of the folks not overly enamored with Roger and his records could place some of their frustration on Safin. Rafa was not really a road block for Roger on faster surfaces until he won the 4th set at Wimbledon 2007. Federer won that match, but it was clear Rafa was in the mix everywhere and gaining ground. Safin could have put up some resistance to Federer from day 1 of Roger’s arrival as Marat is the older of the 2. Anyway, I love Marat, but there is something sad about his career.


jane Says:

Greul making a nice match of this. Doesn’t have a hope of winning, but he’s digging in and taking his chances.


i am it Says:

greul is very gutsy. he is hitting fearlessly but he flinched in the last game and got broken. he has been wonderful to watch. hope he continues the same way. will get some attention after this match.


Kimmi Says:

Its a pity he lost the set that way, he played so well, attacking fed backhand, the tactic worked for him. Takes big cut of the ball too. Great match.


Daniel Says:

Yes Jane, his balls are really deep, putting Fed on defense on several ocasions. But, when the time cames Fed stepd up and seal the set.


i am it Says:

ouch roger got broken. smile on greul’s girlfriend’s face.


i am it Says:

greul goes 3-0?


Daniel2 Says:

“Ancic also had an altercation with Chela and I believe it’s why you thought of Chela. The Argies sure know how to get into stuff with the other players. LOL.”

When was that? I don’t remember any altercation between Chela and Ancic. I do remember an altercation between Mario and Paul Capdeville from Chile. They almost had a fist fight after the match.


andrea Says:

hmmm fed. pull it together here or it’s 2 breaks down. oh….nice ace.

what is up with gulbis? he’s got the game, that’s for sure…


i am it Says:

greul is gonna win a set against whom? that’s frigging insane in a sweet way.


Blank Says:

As much as i like Fed, I hate his attitude when playing the early rounds especially in the grand slams. Now (when trailing 1-3) he is like irritated at the fact that a 2nd round match is not supposed to be any hard work. A bit smug I think.


Veno Says:

Blank Says:

As much as i like Fed, I hate his attitude when playing the early rounds especially in the grand slams. Now (when trailing 1-3) he is like irritated at the fact that a 2nd round match is not supposed to be any hard work. A bit smug I think.

Re-read your post there and answer me this: Are you serious?


Kimmi Says:

what a miss from fed on those FHs


i am it Says:

though roger won in straight sets it was a close match. 2 sets 7-5.


Scottish Says:

Gruel played well and pushed Fed but there really wasn’t much doubt about the outcome. Fed has that edge in big points to make it happen when it counts. Overall a good match. Looking forward to him playing Rusty.


Dan Martin Says:

Federer is through. Hewitt vs. Federer will be a fun match and I think Lleyton always believes he has a chance to win and knows he can win big matches. I do wonder why on the 3rd day of the event the USTA has 1 match going on as they have to have lights on multiple side courts including Armstrong and the grand stand. I think it limits the ticket holder a bit. I went to a night session the one time I went to the U.S. Open and it was the same story 2 matches for the ticket. Maybe the early rounds at the smaller events have spoiled me but I want to see as much tennis as possible. My friend who lived in NY insisted on the night session or else I would have been there from sun up to the end of the day session. However, avoiding a hotel charge was a debate winning proposition on the night – day session decision I faced.


Mary Says:

How many times was Fed broken tonight?
The jounrneymen/women are putting up great fights this open.

Dan Martin: It’s sad when a top player retires with analysts and fans describing it the career as disappointing. I wonder if some of that rubs off on Safina.


tenisbebe Says:

Well on another note, am very glad that Vickmeyer, Cirstea, Oudin, won yesterday – watched Vickmeyer go thru qualies at Cincy & make it to the 3rd round. Was bummed that Safarova lost to Patti – not a big fan of Patti.
Happy for Witten & Levine, the 2 Jesse’s – good wins. What happened to Andreev, Ivo & Stans?


Mary Says:

The lights are kept on because it looks prettier. It’s the same when a city is hosting MNF, the city asks it’s downtown businesses to keep the lights on that night.


Kimmi Says:

Czink had a set point over Serena on their last match they played? mmmmmm…maybe this will be a close match ….


Blank Says:

Veno: This is the reason why I make it a point not to watch Fed in the first 2 rounds of a grand slam. He is generally not pushed at all. Maybe its just wishful thinking on my part, or it’s a real smart strategy on Fed’s part to conserve his arsenal in the early rounds and save it for the biggies.

When I wrote the post I was just comparing how Rafa would have played these matches, he wouldn’t give an inch – he’d chase down every ball. But you know what, maybe that’s why he is suffering from all the physical problems…

Btw Veno, I love Fed, and I love watching him play giving 100%.


sar Says:

Skorocel Says:
From the tennis-x.com’s trunk section:

“4. Novak DJOKOVIC
Maybe Todd Martin can help bring some confidence back to the man who used to tbe the king of F-U.”

????? That’s a new one. I don’t remember Novak having a filthy mouth. LOL


Mary Says:

Novak had an F-U attitude.


grendel Says:

Taken a holiday from this site for a few weeks, so dunno what people ‘ve been saying, but I can bet there’s been no shortage of comments about Federer’s “cupcake” draw, dark mutterings about conspiracy – the usual rubbish. And yet what have we seen? Murray’s draw, the hardest apparently, has eased somewhat with the unexpected demise of Warwinka and Karlovic. And for quite different reasons, Liubicic and Gasquet were not the formidable first round opponents for Nadal and Djokovic which some might have envisaged.

And now Greul, a 28 year old “who he” type. Well, he not only had a set point in the second set, he was the dominant player – and Federer was by no means playing badly. Time and again, Greul dealt with Fed’s best, pasting the lines on both sides, forehand and trusty doublehanded backhand equally effective. He has this awkward , ungainly even, movement, he seems to will the ball with his whole body to go where he wants it. He looks eager, and skips aggressively around the base line as he waits to receive serve. The German is astonishingly dismissive of good, strong Federer serves. He gives Federer some nice, strong looks too – think you’re something, huh? think I’m nothing, huh? let’s see, shall we? And when he’s in trouble, he gives himself a tough look, like a boxer who’s received a couple of hefty knocks and who’s eager to get on with it, yeah, not bad, you caught me napping this time, now it’s my turn.
Absolutely against the run of play, Federer finds himself two sets ahead. Sighs of relief, or yawn time, depending upon where you’re coming from. But then Greul’s up 4-1 in the third. What’s going on? Federer has, from time to time, looked just a little bit, shall we say, disgruntled, even shell shocked. The script has been highjacked; a bit of knockabout fun’s all very well, but these fellows emerging bleary eyed from the nether regions of challenge tourneys and qualies are not supposed to keep playing as if they’re Murray or Nadal in disguise or something. They’re supposed to quietly fade away back into the underground where they belong. Greul never did, for although his forehand did desert him somewhat, he was fighting to the end, and Federer developed a healthy respect for him.

Federer played well, this was a very entertaining match. Hewitt’s next, having hit 45 winners or something against Chela. And this was the fellow who was within inches of beating a Roddick at his very best just a couple of months back in Wimbie. He’s not going to be any easy ride for Federer, let’s assume the knee problem is sorted.

Shot of the tourney – good old Safin just getting a racket on a ferocious drive from Melzer, the ball sailing down the line for a head shaking winner. And a little wink from Safin.

Del Potro awesome against the tricky and valiant Monaco. And yesterday, I did enjoy Taylor Dent’s backhand. It didn’t often seem to do much, and then suddenly out of nowhere, an utterly startling, sizzling winner. You expect such from Haas or a fit Gasquet. You scratch your head when it comes from Dent, don’t quite believe it, and are equally astonished when he does it again.


Kimmi Says:

Serena on fire today..


Daniel Says:

Yeah Kimmi, when the serve is working, she just sale trough.


jane Says:

Fed may’ve played good, but not great; there were some unusual-of-late-usual-of-2008 shanks. Come on. It was very similar to Murray’s match last night in a way. The expected winner not playing quite up to par, with the expected loser (in Gulbis’ case, yes, some higher expectations for flash) able to come back and even get some breaks.

But in both, there was never a doubt who would win.

Both were entertaining, with some good shot-making from both sides. And some jaw-dropping misses too.


Dan Martin Says:

Yeah the disappointing thing about Safin is he was a player (strange using the past tense for him) who could capture my imagination as a fan. He hit so well, moved exceptionally well for a guy with his strength and frankly had charisma on top of that. When he won the USO in 2000 I thought he was really going to carry the game for several years. It just never happened that way. I think he is a Hall of Fame player, but the what might have been factor is up there with Marat.


tenisbebe Says:

OK Dan Martin – I may have to get on you about your post:
1) “about Safin is he was a player” He still IS a player, this was just his last GS but he will play til season end.
2) “(he) moved exceptionally well for a guy with his strength” ???? Did you mean a guy of his height? Never heard of a physically “strong” player having a problem with movement.
3) “but the what might have been factor is up there with Marat.” Again, what do you mean, up where, up in the air? Am not clear what you mean but know for me the “what if” he wouldn’t have partied as much or gone hiking in Yosemite as opposed to playing a tournament is all part of Marat being Marat – the Russian enigma.


NachoF Says:

Its no big deal really…. Federer won US Open 08 and Roland Garros 09 really struggling at first.


Dan Martin Says:

Bebe – What I mean is Marat is thicker, but by no means fat, in his physique than some players. He is not a wiry guy. He is not built like Gilles Simon for instance. This is it for Marat in my book. Yeah he will play in Europe after the open, but this was where he arrived and so I am going to let him mentally depart as well. What might have been if he had had a late career re-dedication a la Agassi is the one that pops up most right now is he is about the same age now as Agassi was in 1999.


Dan Martin Says:

Lubicic and to an extent Roddick don’t move as well naturally speaking as Marat to make my point about Marat moving well/fluidly for his body type.


jane Says:

Actually Veno, it WAS the first time NYC ever featured a men’s night match before the women’s; this from S.I.:

“For the first time, a men’s match will precede a women’s match for the Arthur Ashe night session. Roger Federer plays Simon Greul followed by Serena Williams and Melinda Czink. The old thinking, of course, was that the women play best-of-three sets so it’s only natural they would kick off the festivities. But this seemed a bit unfair to the men, who, in the event of a long match, sometimes didn’t take the court until the infomercial hours. (See Andy Roddick’s 11 p.m. start on Monday.) Now we’ll switch roles. But rest assured the powers-that-be hope that Federer wins in straight sets!”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_wertheim/09/02/usopen.day3/

Hopefully they stagger this and some of the other men get to experience this benefit of being finished earlier in their night matches.


tenisbebe Says:

DM “Marat is thicker, but by no means fat, in his physique than some players.” Well Jo-Wil is alot thicker & over 200 lbs I think but OK.

“Yeah he will play in Europe after the open, but this was where he arrived and so I am going to let him mentally depart as well.” Be that as it may, he will play in Europe this fall therefore he still is a player on the ATP tour.

“What might have been if he had had a late career re-dedication a la Agassi is the one that pops up most right now is he is about the same age now as Agassi was in 1999.” Lleyton comes to mind for me. Not as naturally talented as Marat but has also had his share of injuries to overcome & has re-dedicated himself because he loves it & has always had that fire. btw did you see his wife in Cincy? She is a petite thing and very, very nice. Lucky Lleyton.


tenisbebe Says:

Jane – apparently there was a “men’s match 1st” night match on Armstrong in 1986 or something. Roger even mentioned it in his on-court interview.

Serena was not happy that she had to play second. I say “Tough beans girl” – you wanted equal pay, now earn it!


jane Says:

In that same link above (on my 12:18 post), Wertheim discusses the point about secured spots for the 32 seeds in grand slam draws, and accordingly how we may sacrifice early round upsets and tighter matches for the sake of having the top seeds face off in the later rounds. He thinks this is a trade off well worthwhile for tennis fans. Hmmmmm…


jane Says:

tenisbebe – I missed Fed’s on-court interview so I didn’t catch that; there must have been extenuating circumstances as opposed to this deliberate shift? Anyhow, yeah – “tough beans” Serena and ladies. As it is, they play much shorter matches, at only best of three, and yet get the big bucks, so they can certainly give up the old “ladies first” tradition. It’s gotta work both ways right?


Dan Martin Says:

I think they should seed the whole event. I saw some guy last week arguing for it and it made sense. By seeding the whole thing, every player will fight for ranking points to avoid facing a top 10 player in the 1st round if they can secure it. It would probably make weekly events a bit more logically connected to the main draw. Maybe throw in surface rankings or modifiers as well. Or somehow, clay court events after Wimbledon can have all of the prize money they want, but the hard court events count more toward your U.S. Open seeding. These changes will never happen but they might be worth exploring.


tenisbebe Says:

Jane – someone else referenced that article today. Von? Can’t remember exactly who.

Yeah, Serena was very pissy before she stepped on court, making it clear she didn’t like being second up (to Federer, no less). Whatever Serena, just suck it up. The girl is so petulant sometimes when she should put a lid on it.


jane Says:

Oops – missed that. I was at work today gearing up for the new term, so I didn’t read a lot of the thread closely. Oh well. That’s an insurance post then. : )

I missed Serena’s pissiness, lol, as I didn’t even bother to watch her match. After Fed’s handshake, I turned it off. That’s why I missed the on-court interview. But in these last days of summer, it’s nice to get outside in the evenings.


Dan Martin Says:

Bebe,

Did you see my point that Ljubicic and Roddick are not as fleet afoot as Safin in terms of natural sprinting speed and ability to change directions even if they have a similar body type versus what you see from Hewitt, Simon, etc.?


jane Says:

Dan – seed the whole event eh? Interesting and wish I could’ve heard that argument. Sometimes I think having NO SEEDS would be exciting – real Las Vegas style tennis. LOL. Not that it would ever happen, but it would be interesting.

I am finding these early rounds, overall, kind of dull. I mean, many matches ending in straight sets, matches unfolding almost to script (even if there are a few plot twists along the way), very few upsets, not that many 5 setters, and so forth. It seems like all the other slams were more exciting in the early rounds, with 5 setters and upsets, and whatnot. But maybe it’s just me.


Dan Martin Says:

My thought on the Roddick effect is that among sports fans who tune into tennis at the slams and keep the channel on if a good match is on – Roddick gained a lot of fans. My observation is that the people who follow tennis more closely are rabidly loyal to a few players and that is the way it is. Those favorites are set in stone. This is not a slight to Roddick, I am just saying the fans on tennis-x have a lot of devotion and aren’t apt to sway one way or another easily if at all.


tenisbebe Says:

Jane – yes, you living “up north” get outside and enjoy the last of the summer. I didn’t watch Serena’s match either, just the tunnel interview with MJ and the first game. Watched my taped version of Murray/Gulbis from last night – what an entertaining match! I really hope Ernie gets it together and works his way back to the top 20 or 30.

Dan – did not see your post re: Roddick , etc. Seed the whole event, all 128 players? How would that work?


jane Says:

“Murray/Gulbis…what an entertaining match! I really hope Ernie gets it together and works his way back…”

Ditto tenisbebe; I enjoyed that match. And actually the Fed/Greul match was good too, but with Greul he doesn’t have quite the shot-making (or serving) ability as Gulbis, imo, and thus I was on edge a little more in the other one. Plus, Murray can make one kind of nervous, whereas Fed seems to up his level precisely when he needs to. But this indeed could be a matter of perspective too. I just think Fed has more experience with knowing when/how to up things, whereas Murray is still getting there – even though he’s top notch, he has, obviously, less slam experience than Fed.


Mary Says:

If the players are seeded, wouldn’t the lowest seed start off playing the highest seed?
I’m thinking NCAA basketball.

Serena probably thought she was being punished for Venus’ Monday night match. That match was ridiculous with the two ladies’ taking there good ol’ time between points. Carillo and Cahill were having a fit. That night both announcers were lobbying for the women to follow the men’s night match.


Dan Martin Says:

Bebe,

It would work just like the NCAA tournament or NBA playoffs. Each round would have a total the two seeds added together would equal if the seeds hold to form. First round would see #1 seed versus #128 seed adding up to 129 as would #64 versus #65. In the second round the seeds should add up to 65 with #1 facing #64 #2 facing #63 so forth and so on to the point that the semifinal should add up to 5 #1 versus #4 and #2 versus #3.


Dan Martin Says:

Aside from seeding the whole thing which is unlikely to ever happen, I do think the tour got rid of the indoor stretch in Asia that was concurrent with some clay court events leading into the French Open. I can’t recall a clay court event between the French Open and Wimbledon this year (Davydenko won it in 2007 or 2008), but if the “Thomas Muster pre-Wimbledon Classic” is still out there can they play it on grass already. I’d love to see some sort of preferred surface rules that lead into the 4 slams. This would require moving the Australian Open a bit later in the year and also putting a few more weeks between the French and Wimbledon but I can dream right. I am sure the ATP, WTA, ITF etc. will just work it all out and cede power where they need to to come to an agreement.


jane Says:

But Dan, then the number 1 seed ALWAYS has the easiest draw ALL the way through. I don’t get it.


jane Says:

Dan, can you elaborate on what you mean by this? “I’d love to see some sort of preferred surface rules that lead into the 4 slams. ”

Also, I agree with this “moving the Australian Open a bit later in the year and also putting a few more weeks between the French and Wimbledon” – this probably won’t happen because the AO falls when the summer holidays are there, and that’s how they keep their attendance way up. But I do wish they’d spread out the FO and Wimbledon a bit and add 1 grass masters series event.


Ted Hutchinson Says:

Serena lost 20 lbs. since Wimbledon in my book. WOW she looked good as hell tonight.


Dan Martin Says:

Jane,

In team sports, the #1 team always gets the best draw as a reward for playing well leading into the big event. The reward for good play would make the non-Slam events more meaningful. If I was ranked #64 after Wimbledon, I would fight like crazy in the hard court season to boost my ranking to avoid a 2nd round showdown. Under the current rules, I might think, I will play hard in the non-humid conditions in LA, go 70-80% in DC due to it being humid try to qualify for Cincy and then let the chips fall where they will with seeding at the Open because I am just as apt to draw an unseeded player as a top seed at the U.S. Open.

Didn’t Federer draw Murray in the first round of Dubai 2008 when Murray was ranked #12 in the world but Dubai seeded only 8 players? If I am the tournament organizer, I am annoyed to see that. Steffi Graf drew the #17 player in the world at Wimbledon 1994 when they only seeded 16 and on a ridiculously slick court due to a lot of rain and rain delays, she lost in the first round as the #1 seed. 1 versus 17 was just bad and they have taken steps to avoid that in the 1st round. I think they could go further, but the current system of 32 is more or less fine with me.


Ted Hutchinson Says:

Clisters amazed me with that blowout comeback in the same match. Venus is in trouble though with her knee. Federer was fabulous just like Nadal. The U.S. Open was fantastic tonight but there was no real drama…. but it’s coming you can mark my words that the biggest, tingling moments will happen in the weeks to come.


Ted Hutchinson Says:

in the days to come I meant. Sorry about that.


Mary Says:

Do mean getting rid of Slam qualifiers?


Dan Martin Says:

A preferred surface would to my mind help Indy, LA and DC much more than the US Open series. The preferred surface would somehow reward players for playing events logically connected to the next slam. I used to get so annoyed seeing Muster, who I liked, play/win an event on clay the week after the French and then skip Wimbledon. The clay court events between Wimbledon-USO are not quite so annoying as a full Summer on hard courts could hurt a players knees etc. Also, some green clay court events lingered into the late 80′s on U.S. soil despite the USO moving to hard courts in 1978.

Still, it seems like Soderling winning Bstaad should not help his USO positioning as much as Querrey winning LA should. I am not sure how they would do it, but many years Wimbledon weights grass court events from the previous year 120% (130?) of their computer points so that the player”s grass court wins of the previous 52 weeks are taken into account more heavily. It could be done. Also, the USO generally seeds according to the computer, but in 1996 they did something goofy to try to avoid an Agassi-Chang or Agassi–Sampras quarterfinal and penalized reigning French Open champion Yevgeny Kafelnikov for not being good enough on hard courts (a quarterfinalist at the 96 Australian Open no less) in the process. So the USTA has shown that it can change how it awards seeds even if what they did in 1996 was ridiculously stupid. This time they could give some sort of small ranking multiplier to the post-Wimbledon – pre-New Haven hard court events


Dan Martin Says:

I don’t think seeding the whole thing would mean getting rid of qualifying events or wild cards. Maybe a 16 year old National Junior Champion gets a wildcard and is a guy ranked 652 because he played 2 futures events as an amateur to get some match play versus pros. That guy would likely be seeded 128 as he would be the lowest ranked player in the draw.


jane Says:

Dan “In team sports, the #1 team always gets the best draw as a reward for playing well leading into the big event.”

But tennis has a ROLLING ranking system, not a “season” with an end to it. Therefore, this type of seeding would basically ensure number 1 stays number for, like, ever, or until he/she slips or declines. It just doesn’t seem the least bit fair, imo. The top players are rewarded enough with the 32 seeding, imo.

“Didn’t Federer draw Murray in the first round of Dubai 2008 when Murray was ranked #12 in the world but Dubai seeded only 8 players? If I am the tournament organizer, I am annoyed to see that. ”

Perhaps – but those sorts of upsets are exciting. It meant, surprise, Roddick was the winner. And many of us on this very blog were cheering our heads off to see Roddick make his way through Nadal, then Djoko, then F-Lo. So whatever the tournament organizers may’ve thought then, it seemed like a very successful and exciting event.

Re: preferred surface/ seeding. This seems dicey. I think you’d almost have to do it for each slam then, in which case, Nadal should’ve been ranked number at the FO for a number of years when he wasn’t. And how would they do it at the AO? Hmmm… gets complicated. Besides which, since the surface differentiation is apparently being minimized and players are training to be all-surface players more so, then this seems like the least pressing time to do this, and rather it may make the most sense it has in a while to just go with the rankings as they stand.


tenisbebe Says:

Ted Hutchinson Says: “Serena lost 20 lbs. since Wimbledon in my book. WOW she looked good as hell tonight.” LOL whatever that means – “hell” looks good?

When I saw Serena in person, she looked like she hadn’t lost an ounce in the past year. Me thinks you are looking at her through rose colored glasses.


blah Says:

some comments- I agree with keeping a format in which the top players might face some dangerous lower ranked players instead of seeding everyone. Also, the rolling system is in place mostly because of the number of players on tour. to start from zero is too much. even the ncaa sports teams have to use a poll system to determine the beginning year ranking because of the number of teams they have.

I agree with Jane about the french and wimby length- and especially adding master series on grass. One? I say add two, i don’t see why grass season shouldn’t be as long as clay season; it plays different enough from clay and hardcourt and the matches are entertaining. hard court season is way too long anyway; too much of the ranking points depend on it.


jane Says:

Roddick’s on late again tomorrow, after Sharpie, who’s playing McHale, an American. Hopefully he gets on before 11:00!


Duro Says:

I am it, thanks for the link to Bleacherreport. Great great article, couldn’t agree more.
Jane, you should definitely read it, there are some posts for you there.
A part in the article impressed me: “For whatever reason Djokovic has decided to stand four feet further back than he needs to and loop the ball ten percent more than he should.” This is the whole problem in Novak’s current game. As simple as that. Spot-in! Reason? The new racket. The rest of the article is there for the ones that want to read it, but I couldn’t agree more on the final conclusion re who has a real shot at winning the USO.


grendel Says:

“i don’t see why grass season shouldn’t be as long as clay season”. Money, that’s the reason. Also, perhaps, weather – although that’s sort of part of it.


been there, done that Says:

“Serena lost 20 lbs. since Wimbledon in my book. WOW she looked good as hell tonight.”

I second that. she looked great! I thought so during her rnd1 match, but I wasn’t sure….seems like I wasn’t the only one who noticed. Also, they asked her about playing in hot weather in the pre-tournament interviews…..She said didn’t mind ‘coz she would sweat alot & lose some pounds….at the time, I thought she was just joking or being sarcastic with the journalists….she’s definitely onto something. Serena’s always dangerous, but a fitter Serena is even more dangerous…..girls, look out!

“Yeah, Serena was very pissy before she stepped on court, making it clear she didn’t like being second up (to Federer, no less).”

Exactly how? Seems to me that the commentators were looking for a story and said that. But before serena walked on to court, she was interviewed and said she was happy to be in the ‘history’….also in the on-court after match interview, the question was repeated and she said the same thing. Maybe you said that because she was stony-faced before the match?…..she always has that look before any match at any tournament, except when she’s playing Venus when she somehow manages many smiles.

And I loved the staredown between her and the lines judge when she was foot-faulted. Lol. With Serena, what you see is what you get….she doesn’t do overt political correctness…..none of these things that fans keep going on about’oh he/she’s so humble…..so nice…so polite….blablabla…’ as if these qualities are directly related to how well a player does on court. She’s got her charities in Africa where she more than over-compensates for rubbing some people the wrong way on-court. So yeah, Serena’s also humble & nice & all those things.


been there, done that Says:

“Yeah, Serena was very pissy before she stepped on court, making it clear she didn’t like being second up (to Federer, no less).”

Just on the same point….why the (to Federer. no less)? If she was actually pissed off, then the only person she’d rather play second to is Federer because she greatly admires him, & he holds her in the greatest of esteem in WTA. Unless against Roddick, Serena always pips Roger for the win. (Even @French, before the tournament kick-off, she said Nadal is great, but she hoped that somehow, Fed could find a way to win it. And depending on the channel you were watching last night, did you see Federer’s tribute to Serena in commercial breaks? The whole ‘Serena-Federer my spin thing.’….he greatly admires the fact that she is one of the few players who’ve won four slams in a row…even he hasn’t achieved that.

In short, Federer & Serena are good friends (Serena’s not the type to be friendly with everyone on tour)….so if anything, the fact that she played second after federer probably made it better for her…..afterall, she was playing second after a fellow champion & friend.

Re: draws… grendel 10:16pm: The most knowledgeable/fair minded post I ever read. No one could have put it better. Someone pointed out that leading to the US open, Federer has a 120-0 match record against players outside the TOP FIVE at grandslam events!!! So whatever draw he’s given, it’s always gonna look easy & a few fans of other players will always whine. He could have been placed anywhere where other top eight currently are and there’s would be the same complaints in blogs.

What’s the guy supposed to do? Draw Simon rnd 1….Murray rnd 2….Nadal rnd 3…& then whom to draw in rnd4, qtr, semi & final? ‘coz these are the few players he has a losing H2H…. they are all in the top10, with Murray & Nadal ranked #2 & #3….so unfortunately, he can only meet them in semis or finals.

Nadal gets ‘cup-cake’ draws on clay ‘coz he’s he’s simply super on clay….Fed gets ‘cup-cake’ draws in other slams ‘coz he’s simply good on grass & hard court. In fact, they both get ‘cup-cake’ draws on clay & grass ‘coz until this yr, they are the two players who always made it to French & wimbledon finals. Hard-cout is meant to be a neutral surface, yet Nadal & fed still manage to excel, either reaching semis or finals.

imo, other players should work hard and dominate the sport (@ all levels….slams, masters, 500 & 250tournaments) as these two champions have done for the past 5yrs….that way, they too will get the golden opportunity for cupcake draws at slams.


jane Says:

I disagree been there, done that. First, grendel is admittedly a Fed fan so he’s defending against anyone who would say Fed has an easier draw. And yet pretty much EVERY analyst, from Dimon at Tennistalk, to Wertheim at SI and onward, has stated that Fed’s draw at this slam is “soft”. UNTIL the semis, in which case he could face Roddick/Djokovic, who can be more dangerous customers.

Look at the opening rounds – Fed gets #1370 and Nadal gets Gasquet, Djoko gets Ljub, and Murray gets Gulbis. Now, I still expected ALL of these guys to win, and Fed would win against the other contenders too, but certainly Fed’s match looks the easiest on paper. As does his entire section, in which he’s got Davydenko (not doing too much of late) as the highest ranked seed (the lowest ranked opponent of all the top four). Fed avoided dangerous players such as Simon, Delpo, Tsonga, Monfils (sometimes), Verdasco (sometimes), and got instead people who are not major threats. Soderling is injured, but there is no doubt he can be dangerous – only he hasn’t done much on hardcourts or since the French; Hewitt has moments, but his best surface since his return has been grass. MOREOVER, Fed could’ve had to face Nadal in the semis, and we all know Rafa is Fed’s nemesis. But instead, Nadal’s on the other side. So Fed wouldn’t have to meet him before the final.

In any case, it’s clear that on paper, Fed’s draw looks to be pretty comfy. Regardless of his winning records against most players, some are obviously MORE dangerous than others. Haas, for example, was dangerous on grass, but has done nothing much since then. Same with Soderling on clay/ at the FO.

Now, I do agree with grendel that, while things may appear a certain way on paper, they can totally open up. So a couple of the threats in Murray’s section – Karlovic and Wawrinka, who is streaky – are gone. These weren’t really his worst threats, though. Delpo is much more formidable. And JMDP hung with Fed at the French – who knows what he could do here as early as the quarters were Fed to face him. It might be a tight match.

The point is, that while draws can open up, players can have great winning records and so forth, draws CAN BE EASIER than other draws based on match ups, form players of the moment, nemeses, etc… Fed’s draw at the French was much tougher, imo.


Veno Says:

Bebe: A shout out to you girlfriend!
I love your posts, your fiesty character and your passion for tennis.

Jane, thanks for setting me straight on the first the men match is played in the evening session even though apparently it has happened in ’86 before.

Grendel, your post at 10.19 is cracking. German player Simon Greul has gotten my respect big time!!! And also Fed’s respect. He told Simon at net, “sehr gutes match” meaning…very good match.

Absolutely loved his bravado attitude and going for it and also trying to stare Fed down and intimidate him. I had no doubts that my man would win, but that match was truly entertaining and Greul made Fed work hard.

He returned like an animal and has painted the baseline all night long and handling Fed’s speed almost through the entire match. Chapeau Simon!

Concerning the “easy draws” It’s not even interesting anymore to keep speculating/discussing about it.

There’s 128 players at the start of the tournament and after 2 weeks the best is left standing. Totally and utterly irrelevant how and through whom the champ had to go to get the trophy.


Veno Says:

Jane says: “The point is, that while draws can open up, players can have great winning records and so forth, draws CAN BE EASIER than other draws based on match ups, form players of the moment, nemeses, etc… Fed’s draw at the French was much tougher, imo.”

I’ll repeat it once more dear Jane:
Although you’re absolutely right, and it’s our human nature to quantify everything in order to be able to compare things or tell them apart, it’s also completely IRRELEVANT.

Everybody’s path is laid before them after the draw is made, which happens randomly, and they’ll have to walk it. Still, the outcome will be that the man who defeats 7 opponents will hold the trophy and is the deserved winner in the end.


jane Says:

Veno, “even though apparently it has happened in ‘86 before.” LOL, guess I didn’t set you straight. Wertheim missed that but the US Open site reported it correctly. First in a long while, let’s say.

I agree that in the end, no matter whom the champion faced, he or she deserves the trophy, because a player **can only play who is across the net from him/her**. So they go about their business. Sometimes the business will be less strenuous than other times though. : )

So I guess I don’t agree that opponents are “Totally and utterly irrelevant,” but at the end of the day, the champion is deserving regardless of having an easier or more difficult road to the trophy. That’s just the nature of draws, after all – some are better than others. Players, fans, pundits know it. But players can only do their best with what they’re handed. Full stop.


jane Says:

So we agree Veno (more or less)! The only caveat I might add to your final paragraph @10:12 would be as such:

“Everybody’s path is laid before them after the draw is made, which happens randomly, and [while some paths may be more difficult than others] they’ll have to walk it. Still, the outcome will be that the man who defeats 7 opponents will hold the trophy and is the deserved winner in the end.”


grendel Says:

“grendel is admittedly a Fed fan so he’s defending against anyone who would say Fed has an easier draw”.

Not at all. Of course compared to his rivals, Fed had an easy draw, though Nadal hasn’t done bad; the Gasquet “hurdle” always was an illusion for anyone who stopped to think for about three seconds. I was laughing at the idea of conspiracy, which has been brought up before on this thread, though I don’t know whether it has recently. Some buffoon texted Skysports yesterday seriously suggesting a conspiracy, and we had Rusedski and Croft solemnly explaining why this is not actually possible. Really!

But my point was just a little bit more subtle. You don’t always quite know what constitutes a tough draw, because things don’t always go by the book. Thus we get Tennis X staff on the other thread saying Federer sailed through the second round. This comment was either designed to be provocative or was just plain ignorant. I remember Nadal having an incredibly tough draw in some tourney about 18 months ago, but round by round the difficult opponents dropped by the wayside. So it goes.”Haas, for example, was dangerous on grass, but has done nothing much since then. Same with Soderling on clay”. Perhaps one, or both, of these players is about to turn around their lack of form. Perhaps not. We don’t know.

Certainly, however, Davydenko is a much less daunting proposition than del Potro. It is a moot point whether Federer would find the rejuvenated versions of Roddick and Djokovic trickier to handle than a somewhat rusty Nadal. Same goes for Murray, of course. The other point is (imo) too much is made of draws. It’s like bad line calls. You win some, you lose some. Sometimes you get a good draw, some times you get a bad draw, and sometimes what is thought to be a good draw turns out to be a bad draw and vica versa.

It’s all quite entertaining, but not something it is sensible to get too exercised about, I suspect.


jane Says:

Well, grendel, I pretty much agree with your 10:22 post. Draws do matter, and they don’t, and some are easier than others, but in the end, the players have to just deal with it.

I always think it’s fun to look at a draw when it first comes out, but after that, certainly surprises, upsets and so on can happen, including a player somehow getting really hot at an event, like Verdasco this year at the AO (or Tsonga in 08), or Soderling at the FO this year (who saw that coming?!). So yeah. One never knows how they’ll play out regardless of what’s on paper.

You know, you’re the one who brought up the draws and got the ball rolling again. LOL. Possibly not your intention.


Veno Says:

Jane says: “So I guess I don’t agree that opponents are “Totally and utterly irrelevant.”

Are you spiking me here, trying to put words in my mouth Jane? LOL!!!! Good try though. I like that.

And you did set me straight lol!

I have not stated the above sentence :)

I said that the discussion about it is totally and utterly irrelevant :)


jane Says:

Veno – my bad. Just re-read your post and realize I misinterpreted it. Discussions about draws may be irrelevant but are fun sometimes nevertheless, especially when the draws first come out. This draw is playing out mainly as expected. A few upsets here or there, but nothing major. A few matches tighter or easier than expected, but nothing major.


Veno Says:

I know Jane, it’s ok. I’m just having a little fun. I just like to a little oil in the fire from time to time(ask bebe or Von)

It’s entertaining for sure, the only problem I have with it is it gets old real fast. It’s like 2 or 3 pertinent opposing broken records playing into each other simultaneously and that’s the moment I’ll get out my jerry can


Veno Says:

*to throw a little oil….


grendel Says:

“You know, you’re the one who brought up the draws and got the ball rolling again. LOL.”

So I did. Well, well. That’s what happens when you barge into a thread not having read the earlier stuff. Beware latecomers…..


Dan Martin Says:

I am going to agree with Grendel


been there, done that Says:

Jane@9:50am:
“First, grendel is admittedly a Fed fan so he’s defending against anyone who would say Fed has an easier draw.”

I don’t care whose a fan of which player. I’m simply discussing statistics which don’t take into account fan’s preferences, and the statistics are that leading to the US open, for the past 5 yrs, Federer has a 120-0! winning record against players ranked OUTSIDE THE TOP FIVE AT ALL SLAMS. Those are the statisctics. They certainly don’t tell the whole story, but statistics don’t lie either.

If you bothered to read my post, you’d se that I said that both Federer and Nadal get cup-cake draws because they are extremely dominant in the sport….so am not sure why you only single out Federer. But since you’re so intent on discussing Federer, why don’t you produce a tough draw for him because he only has a losing H2H with about 3 players on tour? Same to Nadal, i think he only has a losing H2H against to only two players on tour…(Blake & someone else…I can’t remember who)

“And yet pretty much EVERY analyst….onward, has stated that Fed’s draw at this slam is “soft” UNTIL the semis, in which case he could face Roddick/Djokovic, who can be more dangerous customers…..”

Firstly, Djokovic & Roddick ranked #4 & #5 respectively. There is no way Federer can meet them before either qtrs or semis in any tournament, including master series. Maybe they should drop out of the top 50 so that they can meet Federer and defeat him before qtrs. LOL!

Also, unless I’m mistaken, Federer has a winning record against Roddick & Djokovic. Admitedly, wimbledon was a great effort for Roddick but the statistics still stand at 19-2Roddick; 8-4 Djokovic and 6-0 Delpotro…all in facour o Federer. So in reality, yes, they are dangerous players, but against Federer, he still is likely to be victorious. ESPECIALLY against Roddick, despite the wimbledon final.

At the end of the day, a draw is a draw. Nadal had a cup-cake draw in but he still lost to Soderling of all people, whom he had a 3-0winning recvord before the tournament and had defeated 6-1, 6-0 at Madrid. Nothing is written on stone. Maybe Hewitt will also defeat Federer in rnd3 despite the 13-7 H2H winning record for Fed.

>>The same analysts who said Federer would NEVER win another slam after the Australian Open defeat??? WRONG
>>The same analysts who said that after winning the AO, Nadal would go ahead and 100% win FO and go ahead and win the calender slam in 2009. WRONG
>>The same analysts who said that Fed would NEVER win the FO? WRONG
>>The same anaylysts who said that Federer would be LUCKY to get to Wimbledon finals ‘coz he had the HARDEST draw at wimbledon aith the likes of Kolshreiber, Hass, Karlovic, Murray, & Roddick in his draw? WRONG
>>The same analysts who have said that after winning FO & Wimbeledon Federer is now lacks the motivation to continue playing?….yet he goes ahead and wins Cincinnati? WRONG

What does this say about these so called anaysts? And so what if Federer has an easy draw? Anyone can be a journalist, write for a website and call himself/herself an analyst. How many of these analysts have actually played the game even at county level in their own countries, let alone the ATP. I’m yet to hear of people like McEnroe (& other TV commentators who have actually played the game)or even any any current ATP player complain about the draws. Why is this so? because unlike the so-called analysts, they know there’s nothing like an easy draw….the ‘anaylysts write controversial things to draw hits & comments on their websites. also, there have been many articles on bleacher-report saying that there’s nothing like an easy draw-yes, by other ‘analysts’ whom you’ve not quoted. These ‘analysts’ are glorified bloggers, much like you and me and they too have their favoured players, so their articles arecan be quite subjective.

Were you also complaining when Murray had an easy draw at Wimbledon or when Djokovic had an easy draw at the FO and was in fact tipped to take reach the F0 finals and be te one to truly challenge Nadal? have you been also complaining for the past 4 year’s because of nadal’s prenennial ‘easy’ draws at the FO? Or do you only complain when Federer has a so-called easy draw.


Duro Says:

Helloooooo!!! Anybody saw Jane somewhere? She’s from Canada, you know. There are two posts mentioning her in the “Bleacher Reports”, so she should probably read it.


been there, done that Says:

“MOREOVER, Fed could’ve had to face Nadal in the semis, and we all know Rafa is Fed’s nemesis. But instead, Nadal’s on the other side. So Fed wouldn’t have to meet him before the final.”

true. Similarly, Djokovic is nadal’s nemesis but he’s not on Nadal’s side of the draw. Why aren’t you whining about this as well.

Only no.1 & 2 are fixed. te rest are random. This is the FIRST SLAM time that Fed and Nadal are seed out of the top2. It’s the way it went, so better to just accept it. Maybe none of them will reach the finals. Noting is written on stone. Maybe if they’re not 1-2 at AO, they’ll be in te same ald. Or maybe by Australia, other people will be 1&2, and Fed & Nadal will be 3&4….in wic case they’ll falll in opposite sides of the draw and once again, you’ll be be complaining.

Oh, and by the way, despite being an ‘un-known’ Del-potro always gives Nadal problems & teir matches are usually close, yet for the past 10 slams, he has NEVER been on Nadal’s side of the draw. This is very first time Nadal & Del-Potro are seeded on the same side in a slam…..did you complain about Nadal avoiding Del-Potro in those ten slams?

Or more honestly, is your problem SPECIFICALLY with Federer?


jane Says:

been there, done that – I don’t think you read my posts.

I wasn’t “complaining” about Fed’s draw first of all; I was responding to your comment to grendel about his objectivity, and grendel’s comment was specifically made about Fed’s draw, so that’s what I focused on.

I merely stated that some draws ARE easier than others based on “match ups”, “nemeses,” “form” and so forth. And, I merely stated that this time Fed avoided a lot of his nemeses (admittedly he has very few but see point below), and also some of the on form players.

I am not talking about records. Because as I said, “regardless of H2H or records” some players are nonetheless more dangerous. For example, while Fed has winning H2Hs over both Davydenko and Delpo, I am sure he’d rather meet the former in the quarters than the latter.

And as I said above, or somewhere, even though I expected all the top guys to get through their first rounders, some certainly seemed tougher than others, esp. on paper.

Analysis and reality doesn’t always match up, but that doesn’t mean analysis is based on nothing.

Anyway, you can write me on this again, but I am off the draw topic.

———————————————
Veno – I need some water!!! Throw me a bucket? Don’t light a match for god’s sake. : )


Veno Says:

Melanie Oudin is taking it to Dementieva. This young American is showing some pazazzzzzzzz


jane Says:

been there, done that,

“Similarly, Djokovic is nadal’s nemesis but he’s not on Nadal’s side of the draw. Why aren’t you whining about this as well.”

Well, since you bring this up, I actually like Djoko’s chances against Nadal on hard court better than his chances against Fed on hard court – esp. based on recent results in Cincy.

If you look back to the thread from the day on which the draw was released, I said then that Djoko had a pretty good draw, esp. until the quarters. And I said Fed’s was good, until the semis.


jane Says:

been there, done that,

“is your problem SPECIFICALLY with Federer?”

Well, he’s not one of my faves, as you would know from the post I wrote you the other night. Mainly, I would like to see someone else win slams once and a while. But I don’t have a specific problem with Fed, no; he deserves accolades for his amazing accomplishments. And as I said above, I thought his FO draw, (and actually his Wimbledon draw too, in hindsight), were both tougher than this one.


Veno Says:

Wow, Oudin is playing some sizzling tennis now! Changed her tactics after 6 games or so…great to see


jane Says:

Duro, I am busy putting out fires, can’t you see!? :) But I did go read the article and posted a couple of comments also.


been there, done that Says:

“Analysis and reality doesn’t always match up, but that doesn’t mean analysis is based on nothing.”

I didn’t say that they are based on nothing!!! I simply stated that analysts, just like fans have their favoured players and will always write controversial topics to draw website hits….be it they are writing about Federer’s easy draw, or Nadal’s supposed expected early retirement from tenis ‘coz of his knees, or Murray’s passive game or Djokovic’s bad body language when playing when he’s losing. That is what they are pid to do.

“I wasn’t “complaining” about Fed’s draw first of all”

That’s how your posts regarding draws come across. Complaining/whining/whinging/stating/saying……whatever it is, you know what I mean.


been there, done that Says:

“I am not talking about records. Because as I said, “regardless of H2H or records” some players are nonetheless more dangerous. For example, while Fed has winning H2Hs over both Davydenko and Delpo, I am sure he’d rather meet the former in the quarters than the latter.”

Agreed. Same to all other 128 players on tour. 1′m also sure that apart from about 3 players, alll other 125 players would rather face anyone but Federer or Nadal for that matter.

>>Agreed with Veno on all points.


jane Says:

“whatever it is, you know what I mean” – been there, done that, it’s partly a matter of perspective, yours and mine, but sure, our own personal biases will skew all our posts, including, as you note, the analysts’ posts. That’s just the way it is – very tough to step outside of.

Anyhow, nice chatting with you even if we don’t always see eye-to-eye. I like reading your arguments, grendel’s too.

And Veno’s of course!

Veno, Melanie is a little fighter eh? But I want Dementieva to win this one!


jane Says:

“alll other 125 players would rather face anyone but Federer or Nadal for that matter.”

Pretty much goes without saying been there, but agreed.


Duro Says:

Jane, it’s OK now. Stop putting out fires, it will make you a fireman, tennis admirer suits you better!
Start cleaning, we have a match to see in couple of hours now!!! If you go somewhere again and don’t see it, no impressions for you this time :-)!


Veno Says:

Jane says: “Veno, Melanie is a little fighter eh? But I want Dementieva to win this one!”

Yes, she is, but also talented, unafraid to go for it and willing to employ different tactics. She’s very enjoyable to watch but her inexperience showed at the end of the set and Elena took it. On serve in the second now.

Meanwhile, Bobby K is down 2-0 in sets to Tommy H
And Dinara isn’t making life easier for herself. Trailing 2-0 in the decider.

Jane, Grendel, been there….., love your posts too! Very insightful and more importantly, passionately written. That’s a big plus, even if we don’t agree on many topics. Where’s the fun or value added if we were all to agree!


been there, done that Says:

“Well, he’s not one of my faves, as you would know from the post I wrote you the other night”

That’s what I thought….no wonder your posts ( not just on this thread) regarding him (imo) are so over-critical to him when compared to other players. :D

“I would like to see someone else win slams once and a while.”

Well, they better work hard for it then….nothing will be handed to them on a silver platter. For me, whoever wins, wins. In fact, I’d be very happy if Federer and Nadal continue splitting slams if they work their ways to the finals. Djokovic played extremely well in AO in ’08 and was justly rewarded. Those who are fit, play well & smart are rewarded. Just the nature of the game

For me, I just don’t want to see someone else win for the sake of it, just because Fed & Nadal ‘have so many already’…..of course luck also comes into play a la wimbledon ’08 & ’09.


Veno Says:

meanwhile Safina breaks back…back on serve in the decider.

Oudin in the mean time is 3-1 up, but having trouble to hold…


jane Says:

Veno – phew. Look at her go. 4-1 up in the second for Melanie. She’s winning me over. But I still want Dementieva to win. Or maybe an utter surprise like this would be fun too.

been there, done that,

Maybe I am too critical of Fed. No skin off his back though. He’s sitting rather pretty.

Actually if Nadal won here, especially over Fed, that would majorly amp up their rivalry. Both would’ve won on all slam surfaces, so that surface argument would be moot. Both would’ve won calendar slams. And so on. Which would mean, the next slam they both contest would have major stakes for both of them, not to mention the YEC.

But yeah, the other guys have to STEP IT UP if they wanna win big events. No doubt. Am fully aware of this. Consistency speaks volumes too.


vared Says:

I’ve added another player to my dislike list. That’s five now.
Melanie Oudin. Like Safina she screams come ons after every point, especially opponent misses. A female Murray. Good thing she won’t be going deep.


been there, done that Says:

Jane : “….even if we don’t always see eye-to-eye…..”

You’d be surprised that I agree with most of your posts….I just don’t post regularly….just during slams.

It’s just that when it comes to Federer, your posts are sometimes over-critical OTT (imo) & sometimes even crack some unfortunate jokes (am sure you remember…no need to quote it)

>>anyway, nice chatting to you too


Veno Says:

Although I put nothing past Rafa as being impossible, but I still feel Novak, AndyRo or AndyMu will win a USO before Nadal will. Dunno why, but it’s just a gut feeling I have.


scineram Says:

Phau had much harder draw than anyone.


jane Says:

vared – where you been!??


jane Says:

This may sound crazy, but I am kinda worried about Djok’s next opponent, Ball, who was in the finals at Vegas. He’s a lefty and they’ve never played; sometimes those unknown or lesser know entities can be dangerous, as Fed could attest to based on his first two round matches. They have nothing to lose, and swing freely when they start to settle into a match. Plus some are match grooved from quallies. Anyhow, we’ll see.

Safina and Dementieva both struggling to consolidate breaks – Dement is going to have to play the third… Safina will have to hold or break once more.


been there, done that Says:

Safina breaks my heart!! How’s she gonna handle the likes of Dementieva & serena playing like this? Or is it that lower ranked players are harder to play because they rarely meet she doesn’t know what to expect?

anyway, important thing is that she wins, however she plays. what drama!!! Totally loving it. 15(did i see right?) double faults from Safina *shakes head*!!


been there, done that Says:

“Phau had much harder draw than anyone”

LOL. thanks for taking us away from the usual top-4 talks. I say Devin Britton got the worst possible draw ever.


been there, done that Says:

“….This may sound crazy, but I am kinda worried about Djok’s next opponent….”

It’s either gonna be close a close 3 setter or Djokovic’s gonna crush him. At worst, he’ll drop a set. I’m 99%sure, he’ll find a way out…That’s what champions do. If nerves didn’t get into Gruel last night, he’d have gotten a set from Fed-but the match winner would be the same.


vared Says:

I posted yesterday Jane. I needed a break between Wimby and USO. Busy with other things. Still watching but not posting as much.

Did you see Oudin had a full MTO? American commentators on ch. 704 direct tv wondered if it was gamesmanship. And Oudin was bitching about JJ taking MTO in Wimby.


Veno Says:

Oh my god! Melanie is about to knock out Elena D!!!

5-2 in the decider….Can she hold it together?
If she plays like this she will beat the petootie out of Safina…


Veno Says:

Oudin wins!!!!

Another disappointment from Elena, wins the US Open Series and loses in the second round….Oh my…


tenisbebe Says:

YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Melanie wins! Oh My God! Unbelievable. So proud of her.


vared Says:

Hopefully Sharpie can take out Melanie ComeOn.


jane Says:

Well kudos to Melanie; feel disappointed for Dementieva though, as her clock is ticking in terms of her chances at winning a slam. But Oudin deserves her W, that’s for sure!


Veno Says:

Bebe, the fact Melanie held her nerve to serve it out(Dementieva played great points at 40-0 and 40-15 down) will do wonders for her confidence. So many young, inexperienced players would have buckled. Great to see a young talent also have the mental grit!!!

She served 5 out of 6 1st serves in the final game!!!

Safina should take note hahaha.

Hope Oudin will develop on now and also plays like this regularly when she’s supposed to win against an opponent in stead of going in as the underdog.

But for some reason I worry not on the mental aspect for Melanie, Also an exciting player to watch. Played some brilliant points at net too!


been there, done that Says:

hmm, Oudin is surely knows how to take the biggest scalps. Jankovic wimby & now Dementieva @US. I now hope that one way or the other, she goes the whole way….at least semis…she’s got the game!

As for Dementieva, what a short-lived expectation after Toronto. Too bad I suppose.

Ivanovic, Dementieva, Stouser all taken out by ‘unknowns’. I’m loving it :D


Veno Says:

Jesse Witten also looking good to make the final 32!

The Americans are having a great tourney so far. Good to see!


Von Says:

Veno:

“Jane, Grendel, been there….., love your posts too! Very insightful and more importantly, passionately written. That’s a big plus, even if we don’t agree on many topics. Where’s the fun or value added if we were all to agree!”

I’ve seen this written over and over by others, we all can’t agree on everything, but why oh why then is anyone’s opinion that’s contrary to another poster/fan’s opinion considered to be: ‘rubbish’, ‘dumb’, ‘ignorant’, ‘stupid’, whining, complaining, bitching et al.? Bearing in mind that anyone’s opinion shouldn’t be treated as ‘garbage’ and/or dumb, which is the same as there isn’t a dumb question, then why can’t we discuss anything rationally and/or logically without some resorting to put-downs, name calling, and/or demonizing, (which is tantamount to using strong-arm tactics IMO) to win and/or reinforce a point?

To trivialize another’s opinion by stating they’re talking ‘rubbish’, whining, ignorant, et al., displays a closed mind on the part of the writer, an inability to process information logically and an intolerance of another’s thoughts on the subject matter by those who are engaging in the name calling. The word ‘stupid’ which is the same as ‘dumb’ and/or ‘ignorant’, is essentially just another word for an inconvenient poster who’s talking contrary to what some want to read, (bearing in mind that ‘ignorance’ is only relative) because they are saying what some don’t like or want to hear.

For example, anyone who is not writing what some posters would like to read, on some players, and/or disagrees with some posters’ mental profile of their fave, is stupid/dumb/ignorant, and is thereby regarded as an inconvenience that should be gotten rid of ASAP. And, the only way that could be done post haste, is to engage in a ‘ganging up’, a verbal onslaught of name calling/verbal abuse, and demonizing of that poster, which is guaranteed to shut them up?

I believe the mission of a forum is to discuss opinions for and against any topic in a civilized manner, but sadly on this forum that’s not the norm here. If one does the unthinkable, then they are subject to an onslaught of verbal abuse and demonizing. Why are minds so closed? This type of scenario does not benefit the forum but stagnates it because some posters, for the sake of peace, refrain from discussions on anything that would cause an uprising, and what happens? The threads become boring and unfruitful. Is this what posters want to see happening?

Then if yes, I suppose we’d all just have to resort to watching the live streams during tourneys and make one line comments on players X’s BH and player B’s FH shots, and avoiding the other topics, which is what I’ve resorted to doing for the sake of PEACE, which probably won’t be for long now anyway.


tenisbebe Says:

vared Says: “Hopefully Sharpie can take out Melanie ComeOn.” Whatever Vared. She worked for and EARNED that win against a top form player – Elena looked lights out in Canada. I’m very, very proud of her. Hope she can get her thigh looked at & under control before the potential matchup with Maria. Her serve definitely had less on it midway through the 3rd.

And Witten wins. Woo hoo all the way around!!


Von Says:

I’m thrilled to see Oudin win, but I’m so sorry for Dementieva.

Vared: Nice to see you back posting, but please tell me truthfully, is it only Oudin’s ‘come ons’ that you don’t like, or is it because she beat your fave Jankovic, and that’s the main reason for your dislike?


Von Says:

Well jane, all of Djokovic’s perceived threats that you’ve been so worried about are now eliminated, but now you’re worried about Carsten Ball? Come on, the kid’s ranked so low and is very new to the tour, how could he be a threat to a No. 4 ranked player? Yes, upsets happen, but it’s not like the kid’s been around for an appreciable amount of time and has had stellar results, nor is he a huge server, so why the concern?


Von Says:

been there, done that:

“You’d be surprised that I agree with most of your posts….I just don’t post regularly….just during slams.”

then you’ve probably posted under another name, because I’d remember a name like ‘been there, done that’ for sure. Out of curiosity, what other name did you use?


tenisbebe Says:

Vared – really like JJ and Ana is a sweetie pie but you must admit Ana’s repeated “come on’s” dwarf all others. Me thinks she has created a monster on the WTA.


Veno Says:

Peace is only reached from within oneself. All factors that are out of my control to influence directly(one of them is other poster’s comments on threads like these), I won’t waste much energy on.
Nor will I let myself get into any confrontations of sorts with anyone, online or in real life, if my persoanl boundaries aren’t crossed. It is wasted energy imo and brings me nothing.

There has never been and there will never be anyone online who will be able to rattle my cage about any subject, nor will I be unsettled by anything said persons would say, argument, imply or joke to me about.

Concerning the things said, discussed and in what manner they are written in these threads I will say this:

Everything starts with choice(in this case choice of words or argumentation) Everyone chooses to express their opinions and views in a certain way, either to mention something, state an opinion, give a fact, post a link to an article, or put a theory out there for the sake of getting reactions.

Everyone also chooces in what way they will react to any post made prior by anyone. Although I have never chosen to engage, nor will I ever do, in a disrespectful way or act in an uncivilized manner towards fellow-posters and I don’t like it when others do so, I can’t bother too much to let it affect me.

In public media possibilities like these you have to take the good with the bad and I for one choose to filter the good which is abundant wrt the negative on these threads. I know this reasoning is flawed by my own subjectivity and I also can understand that others perceive this differently and weigh the negativity a lot heavier than I do.

I’m not passing judgement here dear Von. I’m not compelled to play umpire(oh come on, not even a smile for tht one?) but I would hope you also take the positive from these threads as I think there are a lot of topics discussed in a positive manner.

Luv ya Hon!


tenisbebe Says:

Veno – are you there? They are interviewing Cirstea on TC in the studio.


Veno Says:

tx bebe, it’s on :)


Von Says:

Veno:

“Peace is only reached from within oneself.”

I agree, but there’s also peace in some situations where one chooses to avoid friction, and in my case, it’s why I’ve chosen the peaceful path to not engage in discussions which I feel will affect the peacefulness of my blogging here. It’s not that I don’t have an opinion on many topics, it’s just my taking the path of least resistance and keeping the peace.

And, of course there are more positives than negatives blogging here, which is why I’m still posting here. Anyway, j’etaime bien.


tenisbebe Says:

Veno – was a brief interview but….good to see her get some well deserved attention from the press. Darren Cahill has spoken very highly of her since 2008. She and I had some interesting interaction in the locker room after the Williams sisters lost midweek. Serena was bummed but Venus was understandably upset after her 3rd round loss in Cincy. GO SORANA!!


tenisbebe Says:

Vickmeyer is leading Peng!!! C’mon girl.


Veno Says:

Ah thanks bebe, always a delight to read about your inside stories I love Sorana….I guess I would have had some interesting interaction with Sorana if I would have been there in your place. That is, if she likes tall, curly haired Dutchies :)

Von, I luv ya hon and you don’t need to justify your motivations to me. You know I understand you as you do me although split by so much H2O :)


Von Says:

Querrey has a match on his hands from Kim, and I’m pleasantly surprised at the level of Kim’s play in the match. this is turning out to be a very nice match.


Veno Says:

The Americans are picking up the bat! Me likes iet!!!


Veno Says:

Jelly J can’t serve it out to take the second set being 40-15 up….Another basket case who said after winning Cincy that she is in the form again that made her the number 1 last year and she thinks she can reach nr 1 again….Whahahahaha

Jankovic sees something totally different as reflection when she looks in a mirror than reality resembles


Veno Says:

And why oh why isn’t the ATP/ITF forbidding the stops for drinking and the stalling of time when they have a changeover after 6 points in the tiebreaks…I don’t get that. Just walk to the other side and play on!


Veno Says:

Double on set point……2 left


Veno Says:

New-Belgian Wickmayer wins the decider to 4


Von Says:

Veno: ” Another basket case who said after winning Cincy that she is in the form again that made her the number 1 last year and she thinks she can reach nr 1 again….Whahahahaha”

I loved it when she said ‘Bartoli is going to get it’ meaning she’ll beat Bartoli and then Bartoli really socked it to her. LOL.

“Jankovic sees something totally different as reflection when she looks in a mirror than reality resembles.”

Don’t even go there, I think she thinks she’s Miss World 2009. LOL.


Von Says:

Why is it that we are only seeing streams on the women’s matches when so many men’s matches are being played?


Veno Says:

Jankovic is the most overrated WTA player…by herself :)

Remember what she said after getting pummeled by Melanie at Wimby? She’s one of my least favourites and not even in the Veno top 25 of cutest WTA players :)

She’s a prime example of someone who thinks she’s a natural beauty and a diva, but in reality is someone who goes to extreme lengths to cover up and/or disguise the fact she’s hardly mediocre looking.
And the paradoxal feature here is that she’s the one making such a big deal out of how she looks in stead of concentrating on her tennis. I remember her once at a changeover putting make up on her face….Oy Vey!!!!!!!!!!


Von Says:

Veno: Jankovic wears makeup on the court. Why do you think she so gently pats her face? Look at her forehead and the other parts of her face; her forehead is shine and a different color from her her cheeks, etc.

I know Serena gets slammed for stuff she says by many here, but we don’t see those same posters slamming Jankovic, even though she is about the same or worse with her drama queen antics and her fashionista talk, coupled with her putdowns of her opponents when she gets beaten. sheesh.


Veno Says:

Amen to that Von!
I’m always in for a (albeit in a respectfull manner) bashing of Jelly J when she gives me a reason to….and you know she gives plenty.


Veno Says:

But Von, it’s happy times for el Veno….All his cuties advance to the third round!!!


Von Says:

Veno: Yes, some of my girls advanced today too — they are girls to me but ‘hotties’ to you. LOL. Cirstea, and Oudin are two of my faves, and so is Elena, but I suppose these upsets happen. My other fave, Amelie, lost also, and I was disappointed that happenend but not everyone can win, n’est ce pas?


Veno Says:

Am bummed I couldn’t watch Sam vs Kevin, looks like it was a good match….


Von Says:

Veno, why didn’t you watch Sam’s match? Or is it you wanted to enjoy some eye candy? LOL.


Veno Says:

LOL, I only have 2 real hotties in WTA and a semi hottie in Gisela, cause she’s just so small she could fit in my pocket.

I like Amelie, not a hottie, Henin when she still played, idem, Clijsters, idem, Oudin, ok, but no hottie, Dementieva, not a hottie, Sam Stosur, idem….

So there’s hope for me yet!!!!

But hey, I am 100 muchisimo macho man!!! So please grant me some eye candy!


Von Says:

Looks like Jankovic is going to lose also. Shevedova is up a break and is leading 5-4 in the third, so it’s either Jankovic breaks now or it will be never for her. Even though i don’t like her antics, I still don’t like it that she’ll lose so early at the USO — too bad.


Veno Says:

And again…Shvedova 15-40 while serving for it… A pattern?


Veno Says:

She breaks….not even surprising anymore…Shvedova won’t win another game…7-5 JJ. I bet 50 bucks on it


Von Says:

Gisela is painfully thin almost anorexic looking, but seems to have put on a few pounds since she’s been dating Gonzo. Please, by all means enjoy the eye candy; it’s what most young and older guys live for, isn’t it? LOL.

Oh man, now they are showing Kuznetsova — where are the guys? OY


Veno Says:

I’ll pay you up the 50 bucks Vonnie


Veno Says:

I’m just giving back Von to compensate for all the eye candy I supply the ladies with!

Filantropic Veno :)


Von Says:

Shevedova broke back! what a topsy turvy match!


Von Says:

Stepanek is playng now, yesssss! Enough women matches for one day.


Veno Says:

can’t close it out yet again…..Oy!!!!!


Von Says:

Oy, now a tie-break. What’s wrong with these girls?


tenisbebe Says:

Had to step out for a while, and Vickmeyer won!! She was down a break in the 3rd at 2-4 when I left. Good job.

Von – yes, why aren’t they showing the men’s matches today? Thanks God for Melanie’s win – has put a smile on my face all day. Bet it makes Sports Center :-)


Veno Says:

Pfffff, 4-4 in the decider….

break…break…break…break…

No wonder WTA gets so much slack!


tenisbebe Says:

Veno – I think you mean “flack” not “slack” :-)


Von Says:

tenisbebe: I’m watching Stepanek’s match, so there’s hope for the guys, and us. LOL.

Jankovic is such a grinder who just keeps the ball in play and waits for the opponent’s errors. the other girl is very impatient and playing right into JJ’s hands. OY


Von Says:

Shevedova is just plain careless and piling on the UEs.


Veno Says:

JJ comes through, again a lower ranked player not able to handle pressure. Just not the mental fortitude to do what it takes.

Well, at leat Jelly J can be crossed out as a fave.
Safina too. Who’s gonna stop Serena?

Oh my, Jelly can’t even serve it out….


Von Says:

Whichever players wins this match deserves it due to the topsy-turvy madness that’s taking place.


Veno Says:

tenisbebe Says:

Veno – I think you mean “flack” not “slack” :-)

of course you’re right :)


Von Says:

Shvedova has match point. What do you think Veno, she’ll serve it out?


Veno Says:

She does it!!!

Good for her.

Jankovic totally gave it away on match point in the tiebreaker


Veno Says:

Can’t wait for the interview in which Jankovic is going to say: “She did nothing special, only I made the mistakes, and she got all the luck and net cords. The challenge machine was broke when I challenged calls.”


Von Says:

OMG, Shvedova won! Wow, I can’t believe she finally hit an ace and closed out the match. I’m sorry Jankovic lost but the match was more Shvedova’s to win than JJ’s to lose, and in the end the better player of the day won.

Onto the men’s matches please.


Mary Says:

Wow, eight of the women’s top 20 have been bounced by the second round!


Veno Says:

Ouch, Lisicki got hurt bad on match point…Looks bad


Veno Says:

I think she’s ok. Left ankle twisted. If it were really bad, she wouldn’t be sobbing…Trust me, she would be quiet…


Veno Says:

Go James B!!!!!!


Von Says:

Veno: where are you watching Blake?


Veno Says:

Davy’s having no trouble with Hernych


Von Says:

Never mind, I see him coming up.


Veno Says:

On my TV Von!

Blake-O. Rochus


Von Says:

Where are you watching all of these men’s matches Veno? I’m lookikng at ESPN, ATDHE and Frmsport and only step and blake’s are showing.


Veno Says:

Watching on Eurosport Von


Veno Says:

Hope Shriekapova will hammer the win fast so I can watch Andy play!!!


Mary Says:

Von: Hello. The US Open is livestreaming all of its matches for free on its website.


Veno Says:

First set, Will Ferrell to serve, ehm, I mean James Blake….Go Blakey!!!


Von Says:

Mary, hi, and nice to see you posting again. What web address do you have for the USO? I tried one and couldn’t see anything. The tennis channel, believe it or not, is still showing Jankovic’s tiebreak and ESPN’s crew is having their usual pow-wow featuring brothers McEnroe. LOL.


Veno Says:

Half the women seeds are out…

Numbers: 4,5,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,23,25,27,28,30,32


Mary Says:

Von: here you go: http://www.usopen.org/en_US/interactive/video/live.html?promo=topnav

I’m watching it on direct tv so I have no idea who is doing the announcing.


Mary Says:

Actually just go to http://www.usopen.org/en_US/index.html and hit “watch live” on the righthand side of the page.

I just hit it and it’s a nice clear feed.


jane Says:

Von asks ” so why the concern?” Oh straight forward paranoia probably. But yeah, Andreev is out; is Kohls? I missed that.


jane Says:

“Half the women seeds are out…”

Wonder who’ll win? Be kind of fun if it was a total surprise.


Von Says:

Thanks, Mary. I’ll try the second and wish me luck. This is what happens when a computer dummy tries to becomes computer savvy. LOL.


Mary Says:

Granollers called a medical timeout when down 1-0 to Soderling. The announcers are ripping him in a wonderful NY manner.


Von Says:

Mary, who’s the commentator on Blake’s match, the one wtih the deep, lazy, dead-like voice? OUCH, he’s terrible, nhe needs to inject some life in there, please.


tenisbebe Says:

been there, done that Says: “Exactly how? Seems to me that the commentators were looking for a story and said that. But before serena walked on to court, she was interviewed and said she was happy to be in the ‘history’….also in the on-court after match interview, the question was repeated and she said the same thing. Maybe you said that because she was stony-faced before the match?…..she always has that look before any match at any tournament, except when she’s playing Venus when she somehow manages many smiles.”

I wasn’t listening to the “commentators” as was watching another match but did listen to her pre-match interview with MJ & she was pissy. I am well aware of her “game face”, have seen it many times, which is how she focuses before a match – no problem with that, that is why she is the champion she is. This was entirely different.
“why the (to Federer. no less)?” You are on the wrong track with my statement. I am well aware of Fed’s admiration of Serena and her achievements, although I would hardly call them “friends” more like “on friendly terms”. What I meant was, how can she have that attitude when the person who is playing first is the supposed GOAT? If anyone deserves to be first up, it’s Federer.
“Serena’s not the type to be friendly with everyone on tour”. Well not “everyone” but certainly more than Venus. Serena was chatting it up with a number of players while Venus just sat there and read her bible.


vared Says:

is it only Oudin’s ‘come ons’ that you don’t like, or is it because she beat your fave Jankovic

It’s the loud fist-pumping come ons Melani-Come On does like Safina on every point but especially opponent errors. She was that way with Lena today too. By the way Shedova beat Janko today and I want her to go all the way. I like Russkies except Safina. Janko is not my absolute fave but one of the two I wanted to go through, the other being Lena. Go Shedova or even Kuz.


Mary Says:

Soderling through as Granollers retires with a back injury.


Mary Says:

Von: I have no idea who is announcing that game, even though I have heard the voice all this week.

Soderling is asking for an escort back to the locker room. Weird.


Veno Says:

Just another astonishing statistic:

Since Wimbledon 2003 Fed is now playing his 26th Slam. He could have maximum played 175 matches (25*7)+(2 from this USO)- 2 walkovers(1 at USO ’04 and 1 at SW19 ’07)

He has played 165 matches with a 155-10 win-loss record, losing in 5 finals, 3 semis, a 4th round and a 3rd round. He only lost to 5 players during the stretch. 6 times against Nadal and 1 time to Nalbandian(USO ’03), Guga(FO ’04), Safin(AO ’05) and Djokovic(AO ’08)

He has won 115 matches in straight sets
He has won 28 matches in 4 sets
He has won 9 matches in 5 sets of which 4 came after trailing 0-2 in sets.
He has won 3 matches because the opponent retired during the match. In all they were trailing.

He has won the slam or lost to the eventual champion in all but 1(FO ’04 lost to Guga)

He’s my guy and these stats are impressive, but I kinda hope a little that some of the other players make that last step and we see some new slam champions!


Veno Says:

Lol Vared, better inform yourself better,

Her name is Shvedova and she’s not Russian, She from “Borat” country, that is Kazachstan.


tenisbebe Says:

Veno – LOL – Fed is not even playing today so perhaps you can save your tribute til his match tomorrow? :-)


Veno Says:

I was just bored and I’m a social being so I wanted to share you guys into boredom too :)


tenisbebe Says:

O. Rochus – does anyone remember when he drove Marat crazy at the AO (2005 I think), scrambling to get to everything? Marat broke 2 or 3 racquets during that match. LOL God, I will miss Marat :-(


Von Says:

Mary: Maybe Soderling is afraid the crowd will beat him up because they were deprived a match and he’s the only one around since Granollers high-tailed it outta there, pronto. LOL

_______________
Vared: But Ivanovic does her silly come-ons and fist pumps more than any of the other players, not to mention her pirouettes. Ana’s fist pumps have completely turned me off, and it’s now so famous that she’s always photographed with it, as if it’s her signature shot.


Veno Says:

Look at good ol’ Olivier running around there against the Blake-meister.
I will call him Speedy Roch-zalez


Veno Says:

If a young up and comer like Melanie does it, I have absolutely no problem with it. You go and shout out your lungs Mel!!!

But an established top 10-top 5 player who’s been around the block for a while should only do it at clutch points.


jane Says:

Happy that Sam won. I hope he continues to do well here, maybe take out Davy and get the chance to face Fed in the quarters.


Veno Says:

Youzhny in trouble against Ciudiiiciuddinelllinellle or whatever Fed’s countryman is called


Von Says:

I agree with you on the young players trying the psych themselves up when they score a point against the other higher ranked players because it helps their confidence. Why does ana have to do that is beyond me. Not only does she fist pump, but she does the fist pump, then pulls her elbow into her body, followed by the pirouette. I think that’s waaay too much for a former No. 1, especially against lower competition. Anyway, more power to her and I have a choice, which is not to watch her play, which is what I do. Bring on the guys!


vared Says:

Vared: But Ivanovic does her silly come-ons and fist pumps more than any of the other players, not to mention her pirouettes. Ana’s fist pumps have completely turned me off,

True Von, then why are you not turned off from Melanie Come-On and Andy come on Murray?

BTW Anna I. is useless, beautiful but useless. At least she won some tier 1′s and a GS so she’s not as useless as Kournikova.

Veno: Ok Shmedova from Kazahkstan but she just changed her citizenship from Russian, so technically—-


Veno Says:

Vared, know of me that posts like that from me are just to yank your chain. Don’t take ‘em too serious :)


Veno Says:

Vonnie did you catch any play of Bobby K against Tommy H?

Entertaining match. Tommy looked good


Veno Says:

Oh and Vared…her name is Shvedova….SHVEDOVA


vared Says:

Who is showing a good clear picture of Djoko/Ball?


Veno Says:

Vonnie, if Speedy wins the second set, Blake will have to play at least a 4th set.
Then Shriekapova could also be a long match and then Andy will have to start at about 11:30-midnight again.
Cool as he was last time in saying that it was part of the charm of the Open, I don’t think he will be too happy about it. Your thoughts? Am I way off?


jane Says:

vared I have Blake on t.v. (TSN) and Djoko on ATDHE.net. The picture is okay but not fabulous. The commentary is, i think, British.


been there, done that Says:

Re: von…..”then you’ve probably posted under another name, because I’d remember a name like ‘been there, done that’ for sure. Out of curiosity, what other name did you use?”

Different names actually, but only in slams if I don’t have anyone to watch tennis with & engage in a discussion as I watch. hehe. Kelly rings a bell? Yeah, ‘been there, done that’ is quite out there. lol. I was just excited at the whole ‘any of the top six can win’ & it popped into my mind.

I mostly just read….also on diferent blogs…bleacher/tenni-talk/BBC 606. I prefer not posting all yr long ‘coz sometimes the blogs are filled with some ‘ugly talk’, name calling…etc as opposed to heated discussion. It puts me off posting. e.g. some points on this thread are quite passionate, but none goes to name-calling….a few threads here and there do, especially towards players.

But I’m always reading, stalking ya’ll esp. in masters leading up to slams. lol. Nice different ideas…..favourites & what not, passionate discussion, etc. That’s why I know what’s being said despite not being a regular poster.

I’m trying hard to be around for the whole two weeks…quite difficult posting & watching, not to mention the different time zones for some of us. Usually I’m just glued to the TV. You regular ones must be very efficient!


Veno Says:

James oh James, mais quesques tu fais, mon ami?

Hey Von, why do you use the phrase “je t’aime bien” ?


Von Says:

vared: I explained about Melanie’s come-ons, she’s young and now beginning her career, so I can overlook it. Also, she doesn’t do the double fist pump and pirouette like Ana. I’m hoping in time, she’ll grow out of that. BTW, I don’t like Murray’s come-ons either; same for Hewitt.
________________
Veno: I believe the USO link Mary gave above is the best stream available for djoko’s match. I’m watching Step, Blake and Djoko on the same stream.


Veno Says:

am watching Blake on tv and Novak on Fromsport…without commentary…Lovely!


Von Says:

been, there done that:

“But I’m always reading, stalking ya’ll esp. in masters leading up to slams. lol. Nice different ideas…..favourites & what not, passionate discussion, etc. That’s why I know what’s being said despite not being a regular poster.”

Yes, Kelly, rings a bell. Ahhsoo, you’re an internet voyeur? LOL. I’m one on some sites, and only post on this one, so I can be considered a ‘voyeur’ on other sites as well.
_______________
Veno: je t’aime bien’, means I love you my friend. capiche. je’t'aime, would be used for my husband. Get it?


Veno Says:

LOL, you crack me up…

I asked the following, Von:

Why do you use the phrase je t’aime bien? Not what it means…

I know what it means as I speak French….


Von Says:

Veno: re je t’aime bien, I should have said I like you a lot.


Veno Says:

And funny how you say…”would be used for my husband” why express yourself in a past tense?


Von Says:

Veno: When you tell me ‘I love ya Von’, after blasting me, I always say ‘je t’aime bien, meaning despite your picking on me I like you a lot.


Von Says:

Veno: Why are you grilling me? LOL. I meant I would say that only when talking to my husband, capiche? BTW, my husband speaks excellent French, and no, he’s not French.


Veno Says:

Oh James, what are you doing my friend…


Veno Says:

Ok, too much info on the husband there….


Veno Says:

Lol, Novak seemed a little too happy about breaking there


Von Says:

I feel badly for poor Carsten Ball, his confidence will drop after the breadstick he was just fed.

Veno: James is another Robbie Ginepri; he’ll drive us crazy.


vared Says:

I guess a scream is appropriate on a break. LOL


Veno Says:

breadstick?

I feel sorry for Carsten too, it will be an easy 3 setter for Novak. Carsten should soak in the experience and try to get faster. He just can’t match the top players speed….

And agree on James…he drives me mad. I totally love the guy though! And he’s planning on finishing Harvard after his tennis career. Good for you James!!!


jane Says:

Carsten Ball wasn’t fed a breadstick; he was broken only once. He’s got a good serve, but makes to many UEs.

Blake and Rochus trading breaks like they’re on Wall Street!


vared Says:

Jane that US Open stream is great, better than the rest.


Von Says:

Veno: Do you think the shrieka will shriek herself to a victory tonight? LOL.

I think Roddick will be angry having to endure another late night. Why didn’t the shriek play second since she had a 7:00 pm start earlier this week? I think it’s unfair what the organizers do to Roddick with their scheduling.


jane Says:

From whence did Carsten come? He is the same age as Djoko and Murray I believe, but I hadn’t heard of him until Vegas this summer. He’s got power, some nice, deep groundstrokes, a good serve. Hmmm.


jane Says:

vared – I tried the US Open stream when Von mentioned it to you, but I don’t have access because I am Canadian.


jane Says:

I mean *L.A. this summer @ 7:04 pm

Von – agreed. Roddick could’ve gone on first like Fed last night. Why not? A lot of crowd would stick around for Sharpie.


Von Says:

I guess my eyes are playing tricks on me, but I was not watching Djoko’s match intently and just saw a score; now I see it was the ’1′ from the other set.LOL. I don’t like to watch matches where the players are unevenly matched. ball is young and will mature in time.

vared: I think credit should go to Mary, who gave the USO stream to me, not jane. I suppose your eyes are playing tricks on you too. LOL.


vared Says:

Carsten’s face resembles Cahill’s.


Veno Says:

Jane, thanks for going after the breadstick comment, I didn’t dare grill Von any more. She doesn’t deserve that!

Von: Glad to see we’re seeing things eye to eye on this.
Andy was very diplomatic after his first match, but I think this is just horrible scheduling for him. Blake Rochus nowhere near finished.

And Shriekapova could be done in an hour or if her serve is off it could take over 2 hours. Let’s hope for Andy it will be a fast match.


Von Says:

jane: I don’t think the crowd would stick around for Sharapova, but they will for Roddick and it’s one of the reasons they put the men on last, because not many fans would stay up to watch the WTA matches late at night.


Veno Says:

Imagine Carsten’s parents had called him “Dennis”
That would have been something…


jane Says:

Veno – quit throwing gas on me! I wasn’t grilling Von at all, only pointing out that Carsten didn’t do too badly the first set (i.e., 3 games vs. 1).

vared – I see the resemblance. Interesting that he was born in Newport Beach Ca, and lives their now, but is identified as Australian. Wonder why?


tenisbebe Says:

Jane – I thought Ball was only 20 yrs old. hmmm. maybe was attending college or playing the futures.

Vared – the US Open stream is the best, yes But only matches on Ashe sa far as I can tell.


Von Says:

Veno: Sar was saying yesterday that Djoko was slighted not being picked to play a night match, and I told her that Andy would gladly trade places with him at a night match. I think it’s ridiculous to do this to him so many times.


jane Says:

Von – you may be right. But they stuck around for Serena, and also Sharapova is playing a young American tonight, and you never know – there could be another upset. So far a great day for Americans in general, though Blake is in the thick of it. Isner looks to be doing fine.

tenisbebe – I checked the ATP site and it says 22.


Veno Says:

You weren’t but I was Jane…be careful with gas :)


been there, done that Says:

Re Von: Yes, an internet voyeur. With all the ‘top six’ top, I was just thinking ‘I’ve been here before’…with all the ‘oh, this tournament is so competitive’, blablbla, Roger lacks motivation, blablabla, Nadal can’t win on a harcourt…blablabla….only for the two of them to emerge victorious. congrats to them!

hopefully, ‘the top six’ lives up to expectation. at the moment, nothing can be judged ‘coz it’s early days. Maybe Monfils will surprise me & go all the way….that would make my day. it’s good to hope! In blogs, it’s all Fed/Nadal/Djokovic & lately a bit of murray/roddick…nothing wrong with this though.


Veno Says:

I read it last night Von…

And he would…Andy falls asleep of boredom during the day, cause all he can do is wait wait wait until he can get on court to play his match. They should evenly distribute the matches between the top 8 guys


jane Says:

Von “Sar was saying yesterday that Djoko was slighted not being picked to play a night match”

I believe Sar was the one concerned, Von, not Djoko, as I read Sar’s post and responded to it. I haven’t heard anything from Djoko’s end anyhow. As i said to sar, he should be fine, and besides, the weather, I’ve heard, is quite nice/mild/cool this week in NYC. He’ll likely get a night match next week if he makes it through.


Veno Says:

James looks like he wants to squash the little Belgian running machine Ollie Rollie and literally pound him into the Deco Turf II


Veno Says:

This is the second time I won’t be able to watch A-Rod play due to scheduling.

Darn you USTA, darn you!!!!


Von Says:

ben there, done that:

Very appropos name, after the explanation.

“In blogs, it’s all Fed/Nadal/Djokovic & lately a bit of murray/roddick…nothing wrong with this though.”

Just before Wimby I was thinking of quitting blogging, but then after Wimby Roddick got into the conversation and I decided to hang around. It used to be very lonely and boring being a Roddick fan. and tthen, after wimby, someone popped up here and made things lively for me, and that someone isssssssssssss, Veno. Hello, mon ami, merci beaucoup, for being here. Shall I write je t’aime bien, again? LOL.


jane Says:

Hope Blake doesn’t go down 2 sets to 1 as then Roddick could be on even later, if it goes 5 sets…


Von Says:

jane: I specifically said Sar was concerned and did not mention Djoko as saying anything. I know you like to clarify everything for Djoko but I think I was very clear.


Veno Says:

Ball doesn’t look like Cahill, but like a taller version of Jake Gyllenhaal


tenisbebe Says:

Jane – “I see the resemblance. Interesting that he was born in Newport Beach Ca, and lives their now, but is identified as Australian. Wonder why?” My sister lives in Newport Beach & it’s a fantastic place to live. Sigh….


Veno Says:

Von, you’re sweet!

And je t’en prie en of course you may say je t’aime bien to me :)


Von Says:

Veno: Not only does it mess up Roddick’s day and night, it will throw his schedule off for tomorrow and then he’ll have to play on Saturday, probably during the day, so it really is very unfair to him. What good is saying he’ll have tomorrow off if most of the day is gone? sheesh


tenisbebe Says:

Veno Says:
Ball doesn’t look like Cahill, but like a taller version of Jake Gyllenhaal.” Haha, you are so right. I don’t know my actors but another Aussie, yes?


Veno Says:

Blake survives 5 set points…6-6 in the breaker now


Von Says:

Veno: “..of course you may say je t’aime bien to me :)”

Then why were you grilling me? I know why — you were looking for j’et adore. LOL


tenisbebe Says:

Von Says: “I don’t think the crowd would stick around for Sharapova…” Oh I think they would. For alot of WTA players, perhaps not, but Maria is very popular in the Big Apple. Especially with the gentlemen…


jane Says:

Von your post @ 7:12 said “…Djoko was slighted not being picked to play a night match” which implied to me that somehow it came from him. But maybe I misinterpreted it.

Veno – “a tallerr version of Jake Gyllenhaal” – I see this too! Maybe even more so. He’s a good player, some definite potential if he cleans up errors and such

——

Pretty good save by Blake to even up the tiebreak to 6 all when he was down 2-5; good for him! He needs to finish this off now.


Veno Says:

Wow, haven’t seen James being so exuberant after stealing the third set! Way to go James!!!


Von Says:

tenisbebe: You know what, I think Ball’s parents are from South Africa.


jane Says:

tenisbebe – “Especially with the gentlemen…” love the euphemism here! Yeah, I think they’d stay too, and in addition, as I said, because she’s playing a young American.


tenisbebe Says:

Good lord. James won the 3rd and did a dance like he won the match. Rochus still has the ability to drive opponents crazy.

Time to make dinner before the shriekfest.


jane Says:

“I think Ball’s parents are from South Africa.”

Interesting – so anyone have any idea why he plays as an Aussie?


tenisbebe Says:

Von – S. Africa, eh? They talked about Ball when he played in the final in LA but I didn’t pay too much attention.

Jane: yes, that too.


Veno Says:

tenisbebe: I hereby distance myself from said gentlemen. I guess tastes differ, but their taste is way off imo (or mine is of course!)

Cogito ergo sum. And I think that Maria is sizzling hot!!!(Maria Kirilenko that is, not shriekapova)

Jane, I agree, I really like Jake Gyl…ehm I mean…Darren Cah….ehm I mean Carsten Ball’s play. The kid looks promising.


grendel Says:

“Maybe Monfils will surprise me & go all the way….”
He was looking good against Chardy. One of these days, Monfils is going to deliver on the big stage as only Monfils can. All that outrageous talent is gonna come oozing out onto the tennis court in the form of tennis and not amateur dramatics – not that I’ve got anything against them, but they seem to distract rather than enhance Monfils’ game. I don’t think he’s going to win many slams, he’s just too eccentric, and perhaps too lively, to be able to focus all his energies in one arena. But it would be a shame if he couldn’t get it together at least once, hopefully more, and grab a big ‘un. He’s much better than Yannick Noah, the last frog to get a slam – and Noah was terrific.


Von Says:

jane: The following is what I said:

“Sar was saying yesterday that Djoko was slighted not being picked to play a night match, and I told her that Andy would gladly trade places with him at a night match. I think it’s ridiculous to do this to him so many times.”

In other words Sar felt Djoko was slighted. Had I meant Djoko felt he was slighted, I would have said: Sar said, Djoko ‘felt’ slighted. Hope you see the difference.


Veno Says:

Little Ollie Rochus has a whippin’BH for a hobbit from the Shire


jane Says:

I see the subtle difference, yes Von. As mentioned above, I may’ve misread what you meant, and it turns out I did. My bad.


Von Says:

Veno: I wouldn’t pay a dime to watch the shrieka, sorry.

The matches are I’m watching are boring, time to do some office work.


Veno Says:

Von Says:

“Veno: I wouldn’t pay a dime to watch the shrieka, sorry.”

Tell me something new…

You know by now I wouldn’t watch shrieka even if I got paid my hourly wage plus expenses!


Veno Says:

I like Carsten’s attitude out there…

22 is he? Has he been playing NCAA? Anyone know?


been there, done that Says:

Grendel@7:38pm: Re Monfils…

Agreed on all points. he seems to be caught up in the showbiz & forgets he’s meant to be playing tennis. Maybe a little calming down & he’ll reach semis one of these days. And hat running down alll boys….he’s already having injuries at such a young ae. Quite an entertaining player though.

Re: Blake match: i’m not sure why this Rochus guy is ranked in #90s. Or is it that playing against Bllake, he looks better than he actually is? The match is so entertaining….finally, an entertaining men’s match for the week.


been there, done that Says:

Grendel@7:38pm: Re Monfils…

Agreed on all points. he seems to be caught up in the showbiz & forgets he’s meant to be playing tennis. Maybe a little calming down & he’ll reach semis one of these days. And that running down all balls….he’s already having many injuries at such a young age. Quite an entertaining player though.

Re: Blake match: i’m not sure why Rochus is ranked in #90s. Or is it that playing against Bllake, he looks better than he actually is? The match is so entertaining….finally, an entertaining men’s match for the week.


been there, done that Says:

* apologies for the double post….thought it hadn’t gone through..


i am it Says:

what a sad for dementieva and jankovic !
dj finishes off in straight. that will save some energy for the next match.


Von Says:

Veno: They’re showing Isner on Fromsport.
_____________
been there: “The match is so entertaining….finally, an entertaining men’s match for the week.”

I think you like Blake’s jumping around. LOL.


i am it Says:

i meant sad day for them and their fans.


Von Says:

Isner looks tired and is taking quite a bit of time between points. This match ik going to a tiebreak and if Ilman can win the breaker, I think he’ll win the match. Isner can’t play long matches.


jane Says:

Good wins for Djoko and Blake – now for Sharapova and Roddick…

Veno – would like to know more on Carsten too; he’s young enough to make some noise.


Veno Says:

Von, bed time for me…

I’m really pissed as this is the second match of Andy I won’t be able to watch live….Arghhhhh


Duro Says:

JJ lost her grandmother today.


Veno Says:

Jane, congrats on Novak’s win. He seems purposeful. He should try and cut down on the UE next match, but every straight setter is a good result!

Goodnight you guys…

Von, I’ll be holding your hands in thought..

Je t’aime bien aussi :)


Von Says:

Veno: Goodnight, bon soir, mon ami. I’m going to sign off also as I need to get some work related matters done before andy’s match. Goodnight all.


been there, done that Says:

Re: blake match…yeah, a bit of ‘oomph!’ factor to the match, a lil’ something sizzling. Both players have amazing shots, using the whole court, stepping it up at important points etc.

I’ve been stuck watching women tennis ‘coz though the shots are not that amazing, I just love all that drama.


Von Says:

“I’ve been stuck watching women tennis ‘coz though the shots are not that amazing, I just love all that drama.”

You probabaly like the screams and shrieks. LOL.


been there, done that Says:

“You probabaly like the screams and shrieks. LOL.”

Only De-Brittos ‘coz she doesn’t give a damn despite all the complaints. lol. a young feisty girl. But the sharapovas, wozniakis & all the older ones should tone it down…they’re all capable of playing a bit more silent.

But to be fair to the women, the men grunt alot…only that they do it in a base while women in sopranos…so the women’s sound much worse.


Mary Says:

Why is Sharapova dressed like a chorus girl from a local dinner theatre production of the show “xanadu”?


jane Says:

Mary – LOL on Sharapova’s outfit.

Veno – thanks and night-night.

Duro – that’s sad about JJ’s grandma.

i am it – I agree; while the upsets are exciting, both Dementieva and Jankovic did well in the two MS events leading up to the USO so I was kind of hoping for that to continue, especially for Elena. But that’s the way it goes in tennis sometimes. Today, both of these ladies were outplayed.

I expect Sharapova to amp it up as Dementieva is now out of the way….


vared Says:

Duro – that’s sad about JJ’s grandma.

Maybe that’s why she was so lethargic today. Too bad for Jankovic.


jane Says:

Duro, this link is for you; the article talks about Djoko’s hiring of Martin. You may find it interesting!

http://www.tennisnews.com/exclusive.php?pID=29309


Mindy Says:

Mary,

Your comment about Sharapova’s outfit made me laugh out loud! Hilarious! I was trying to think of words to describe it, but you hit the nail on the head.

Maria is quite the tennis diva, isn’t she!


tenisbebe Says:

Duro – I read one place that they told her BEFORE her match. She almost won but in the end just didn’t have the heart. How unfortunate as she played so well in Cincinnati. Hopefully she’ll get back to Serbia fast and spend some time with her family. Her mother, who usually travels with her, is ill as well, yes? Do you know what ails her?


tenisbebe Says:

Jane – thanks for the article re: Djoko hiring Martin. I still can’t get my arms around that hire but of course wish him the best of luck.


Duro Says:

Jane, thanks for the link. It’s very nice, but I think I even have a better one for you:
http://www.tennischannel.com/news/. Find it under “More news”.


Duro Says:

Tenisbebe, it must have influenced her big time. Her mother is recovering from a surgery. Hard times for JJ.


Duro Says:

Tenisbebe, that I mean the yesterday’s death of her grandma.


Duro Says:

Vared, long time no see… I remember you by your clever posts. Keep on going mate.


jane Says:

Thanks Duro – I liked that the article was largely focused on the new arrangement from Martin’s perspective as well as his philosophies are on teams and coaches in general. Very interesting.


i am it Says:

j. levine is on right track. about to lead by 2 sets. what wrong with cilic?


tenisbebe Says:

Wow – never would have thought Jesse Levine would be up a set and a break on Cilic!! He is really staying focused – didn’t celebrate at all after the first set win, no fist pumping. Cilic looks out of sorts but have only seen 3 games.


tenisbebe Says:

2 breaks now…


i am it Says:

and dePo got broken in the first game. he should win it back.


grendel Says:

Tsonga’s looking good. He disposed of Niemenem – very solid usually, but a bit lacklustre – with the minimum of fuss, thus conserved energy for later stages. His running and volleying, serving, everything – a joy.

Want to bring up the draw again, but in a different context, not polemical this time. It does seem now that Nadal is going to have his work cut out from 4th round onwards. First, either Monfils or Ferrer – both potentially difficult, Monfils indeed, if on song, at least Nadal’s equal. Then Tsonga, looking ominously on track. If Nadal makes it to the semis, then he’s got every reason to be highly pleased.


margot Says:

i am it: r u watching JMDP match? If stream, where please?
btw: blur: r u huh by any chance? huh hasn’t posted for ages and read Chinese are clamping down on internet access so kind of hoping.


jane Says:

grendel – agree with you. I think Tsonga’s the potential dark horse at this event. If all is clicking he can beat basically anyone; he’s got wins over all the top guys. Hmmm…. could this be a repeat of his 2008 AO run? He’s got a fairly decent path to the quarters, with Benneteau next, then potential opponents Berdych or Gonzalez, before a possible meeting with Nadal. It’s hard to predict with Tsonga since he can go off the rails on a given day, but he’s in there with a shot. To me it’s more uncertain who’ll emerge from this half of the draw…. Delpo, Tsonga, Nadal and Murray are all strong possibilities.


i am it Says:

i am afraid i don’t know any stream. i am watching on tv. usopen dot org and tennis channel are the only ones i can think of. they work if you live in the usa or have proxy u.s. ipa.


margot Says:

i am it: thanx anyway. will try usopen link. It doesn’t seem to be showing on tennischannel. Have hardly seen any of tennis as time is all wrong for matches I’m interested in. So quite fed up!


Von Says:

margot: Are you watching Murray’s match?


Von Says:

margot: Have you ever tried ATDHE.net? If not, try them they’re very good?


Von Says:

jane:

I see you’ve been featured in Tennis/Xeno’Freak’s blog. He said you guys were friends since you’ve been kids, and that made me laugh considering how much he’s attacked you and your fave, not to mention the women on this site (are you the Vera character?) I don’t know if I’d want that kind of friendship though if I were in your place; I’d want to put a 10 foot pole between us. BTW, I remember your mentioning to another poster here that he/she reminds you of Xeno/Tennis Freak/Shital Green, but I’m sure by now you know who’s the poster/writer behind Xeno/Tennis Freak, don’t you, especially since he’s stated you guys were friends from kids? I’m just asking out of curiosity but don’t have any smidgen of interest in the guy whatsoever. I’ve never really thought him to be Shital Green, because this guy seems to be of Indian heritage and Shital is an American. Also, Shital treated me with the utmost respect and Xeno Freak was quite the opposite being disrespectful to all of the women posters here, you included.


jane Says:

Von – who is Vera? I must’ve missed that. Anyhow, since you ask, I have not been friends with Tennis/Xeno Freak since we’re kids. He posted here a few years ago under another name (you knew him), and we were friendly then, so when I read his post at Bleacher Report, I commented on it. I also don’t know about his blog – do you mean the Bleacher Report articles? I do agree with you that I had differences with Tennis /Xeno when he was posting here, and I called him out on some things he said directly, but I also some good conversations with him. That’s the way it goes with some posters imo.


margot Says:

von: thanx v much,will try that.


Von Says:

jane: Vera is a made up name for his friend who was featured in the Bleacher Report article — ‘Federer Haters’. He said they met fighting off posters and became long time friends. Also, he believes Vera had a crush on him. LOL. As I said, I don’t think it’s Shital Green,(the resemblance is very close though) but if it is, he certainly did a 360 degree turn around from a Djokovic fan to a Fed fan (kinda touched in the head too), and from a nice guy to an exceptionally abusive one. Also, to reiterate, Shital was extremely respectful toward me with nary a harsh word between us, but that guy just reeked of anger and crudeness. I didn’t see the conversations between the two of you as being good IMO, but just someone who seems to be trying to find his way out of emotional turmoil using literary and philosophical terminology to express his chaotic mindset while simultaneously trying to impress everyone. To reiterate, he piqued my curiosity and it’s why I asked, but, c’est la vie!


jane Says:

margot – like Von said, I am watching on atdhe.net. Murray’s having a bit of a lapse in focus here; hope he gets back on track a.s.a.p.!!

Von – I will check out that article you mention; I have not seen it. Maybe it’ll shed some light on what you’re talking about. Shital was a really nice poster here, no doubt, but then again he was a Djoko fan so it was easy for me to get along with him then! He was, however, a Federer fan first, then switched to a Djoko fan for a while. Shital is Indian-American. Anyhow, I will take your thoughts on the matter into consideration, as I always appreciate your input on things Von – you know that.


Von Says:

jane: The Freak says he’s Indian from India and Shital is a combiination pf North American Indian and Black American heritage. The Freak now lives in the US and says he’s exploring employment opportunities, but some pieces do not fit Shital’s profile (you know profiling is my job). As I’ve said previously, some things fit, and then some don’t. Shital, was very courteous to me, but I’ve noticed that he could go off at the drop of a hat towards other posters and I mean really go off. LOL.


jane Says:

Von, yes I guess you’re a pro at profiling! Well it’s the internet, so I don’t imagine all points will link up. Anyhow, you’re freaking me out! LOL.

margot – Murray is awake and cruising now – GOOD!

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