Djokovic, Roddick, Lower Americans Win at US Open
by Staff | September 4th, 2009, 12:30 am
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No. 4 seed Novak Djokovic, who last year bad-mouthed Andy Roddick after beating the American (following Roddick making fun of Djokovic’s numerous injury time-outs to the media) at the US Open, took another step to again befriending the New York fans by nullifying the big-serving Carsten Ball 6-3, 6-4, 6-4.


“I haven’t been introduced to his game. So I didn’t know what to expect,” Djokovic said. “I knew he’s a big guy with a big serve, lefty. So, you know, I haven’t watched it. So it’s always dangerous in these positions. But that’s why I needed to really stay focused and try to read his game and try to be able to recognize the positions and his disadvantages.”

In the night match No. 5 seed Andy Roddick battered Frenchman Marc Gicquel 6-1, 6-4, 6-4.

Other Top 10-seeded winners were (8) Nikolay Davydenko over Jan Hernych in straights, and (10) Fernando Verdasco dropping only six games against Florent Serra 6-3, 6-0, 6-3, setting up a meeting against Tommy Haas.

The lower seeding went according to plan on Thursday, as (12) Robin Soderling, (14) Tommy Robredo, (15) Radek Stepanek, (20) Tommy Haas, (21) James Blake, (22) Sam Querrey, and (23) Philipp Kohlschreiber all advanced.

“I don’t feel like I’m that far off from where I was when I was Top 10,” said Blake after defeating Olivier Rochus in four sets.

Unseeded Americans continued their success Thursday in Flushing as two Floridians put “W”s on the drawsheet. The towering John Isner dispatched of Turkish qualifier Marcel Ilhan in straight sets, and Jesse Witten won only his second pro-level match in his five-year career, defeating Maximo Gonzalez 6-7(3), 6-4, 7-5, 6-2 to move into the third round.

“I was able to, the first two sets, get that one break I needed,” said Isner, who won the third set in a tiebreak, and lines up a meeting with Roddick. “Also got it in the third. But credit to him, he kept fighting back. He broke back. But I know if I went to a tiebreaker in the third set, I was really confident because I’ve been playing really well in them.”

Witten again used the big crowd support to his advantage.

“My sister and my mom made it in this morning,” Witten said. “So I mean, I had a good crowd, and they pulled me through it because I think they were really getting the other guy down and really got in his head a little bit. It gave me more energy, because it was hot out there and a long match. I definitely used that, and to my benefit.”

Highlights of Friday’s play in Flushing are Chilean Paul Capdeville vs. (2) Andy Murray, German veteran Nicolas Kiefer vs. (3) Rafael Nadal, (6) Juan Martin Del Potro vs. Jurgen Melzer, (32) Nicolas Almagro vs. Robby Ginepri, Spain’s Ivan Navarro vs. Taylor Dent, and (16) Marin Cilic vs. American Jesse Levine.
  
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248 Comments for Djokovic, Roddick, Lower Americans Win at US Open

Rick Says:

What is wrong with the officials? Nadal plays his second round, when everyone are playing their third. So he gets no rest day in the second weeks of the events. Just like what happened for the semi last year. I wonder how much Federer paid them, so that he could gets a tired guy in the final! lol


Mindy Says:

Rick,

Even as a Rafa fan, I must correct you here. Rafa ASKED to play on Wednesday. He wanted the extra day for more practice because he’s working as hard as he can to get his form back.

I may not be a fan of Fed, but he has precisely nothing to do with this at all and it’s really unseemly and disrespectful to even imply that he has any involvement with this at all. I am not fond of conspiracy theories of any kind. Rafa takes the matches as they come and the schedule as it plays out and so should his fans.

I see no reason whatsoever to attack Fed for something Rafa specifically requested.


Daniel2 Says:

lol you gotta love the “conspiracy theories” from some Rafa fans.


been there, done that Says:

@ Rick 2:16am:
You are really funny. You brought this up yesterday under the “Nadal, Federer Roll at US Open; Tennis-X Notes ” thread and no one answered you. I suppose it’s because you put out two conspiracy theories…one regarding easy draw & this one…..people focussed on ‘easy raw’….and must have forgotten your other conspiracy, so you’ve brought it up again on another thread.

Conspiracy theories are so amazing. From ‘easy draw’ saga to now ‘pay-gate’. LOL. Let me indulge ‘coz i have a few minutes to spare…..

Sorry to disappoint you, but Rafa asked to play on Wednesday. That’s what he wants. it’s not Federer’s problem, it’s not the tournament’s fault, it’s not his opponents fault, it’s not the weather’s fault, it’s not anyone’s raquet fault, it’s not the umpires fault, it’s not the fault of anyone in half of the draw (esp. not murray, or DelP’s fault)……it’s what Rafa wanted…..take it up with Rafa. There you go….why don’t you start a rafa-conspiracy theory now you know he asked for it?

Better to do some minimal research on google before posting something so crazy….you honestly think the tournament would put itself at such risk as to accept money from a player? Or you’re just posting to be controversial? lol. I’ve actually had a good laugh for thanks for that. For your info, it is the tournament which pays players for appearing, not the other way round. Talk of a thin-skinned fanatic….

Roger Federer must be the most popular player, smoothest operator; so loved and adored to be able to have such power over tournament directors…wow! he must be doing something right! If the conspiracies were to be true, i suppose that they would be in favour of Roddick @US, Murray@ Wimby, Tsonga @Rolland arros & Hewitt @Australia……….yet only a spaniard & swiss keep on winning……tournaments must try harder

Both Fed & Rafa get ‘pampered’ by having their preferred slots if possible because they are the bread-butter draws of a tournament……& that doesn’t make it a conspiracy for either player. Success comes with it’s perks, at all areas of life. Be it sports (U.Bolt, T.Woods, M.Phelps), music or politics or business (ask Donald Trump, Bill gates…)….just the way of life. so whenever possible, Rafa & Fed, Serena, Sharapova & Venus will get their asked for slots because they are the most successful in their field of expertise. That’s just life. Though it’s something you may wish to to take up with the ATP & WTA about.

You know it’s silly-season in tennis when conspiracy theories regarding Fed refuse to go away….same old, same old…each tournament each year, same conspiracy theories in 2006, ’07, ’08, ’09. ‘oh, but everywhere on the internet by xyz…blablabla’ I read…yeah, because one person puts it on a blog to create fire & draw comments. This is tennis….not a missile launch nor osama-bin-laden hunt. Federer (7 all other 2565 men & women players) is simply swinging a tennis racquet, not engaged in a US_Russia mole operation. Just tennis, in front of everyone, where a winner & loser can be seen live by thousands & remotely by millions on TV.

Well, conspiracy theory or not, the tournament continues. Now that your conspiracy theory is moot, what next? Federer is getting special treatment because he’s winning his matches? Quite sick, but thanks for the entertainment.


been there, done that Says:

correction:
…. Federer (*7 all other 2565 men & women players)…

meant to be :
Federer (& all other 255 men & women players)….

Thanks Rick for such a lovely laugh….cheers.


JCZ Says:

I think everyone got Rick already for the silly theory. But in any case Rafa today is playing his second round match, just like EVERY SINGLE PLAYER on his side of the draw. So he didn’t get three days break between the first and second round (instead 2 days) but he got one extra day off before his first round, so I think it’s even stevens (especially if he asked for it).

So there’s nothing to talk about.

P.S. I’m going to the night session tomorrow. I’m thinking it’ll be Sharapova vs Oudin and Roddick vs Isner. Hoping for good matches…


Shaky Says:

Am I too late to laugh at the Rafa fans for the conspiracy theory, or can I throw my hat in the mix too?

Too late? Darn.

Really looking forward to Oudin-Sharapova, which makes this the first (and possibly last) women’s match I’m actually eager to watch.

To be fair though, while the quality has been pretty bad, I won’t lie to you: I have LOVED the Safina matches. I feel like I’m watching myself play when I was 11 and had no consistency and wasn’t tall enough to have a reliable serve. It’s like going in a time machine… and then somehow pulling off a gender swap.

Yeah… maybe I went too far there. Hey can we still make fun of Rick?


Shaky Says:

Btw I couldn’t figure if there had been any comments on the Blake match, which I thought had some moments of really inspired play (surrounded by around 40% first serves and a truckload of backhand errors).

I really like Blake, but his comment that he thinks he’s pretty close to his best form… is really wishful. He looks really bad. I don’t think he has a shot against Robredo in this next round at all.


Voicemale1 Says:

There’s a lot of consideration that goes into match scheduling and most of it has to do with television broadcasting. Federer is a hugely popular player, and much more so outside the US. There are a lot of networks in other countries that buy access to feeds of the networks that have cameras working there already. They want access to matches featuring him because more people will watch, which mean more advertising revenue (and revenue likely coming from a host of Federer sponsors, like Rolex, Wilson, etc.). Same with Nadal. Those two have huge worldwide market appeal as the marquee names they are. So when they play, or when they ask to, could have considerations other than playing tennis going into it. Just a thought.


tenisbebe Says:

JCZ – “I’m going to the night session tomorrow. I’m thinking it’ll be Sharapova vs Oudin and Roddick vs Isner.”

Surely they would not have Maria & Andy play yet another night match after last night (and Monday too for Roddick)? Anyway, enjoy, enjoy!
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Voicemail1 – Ditto. I have stated much the same on numerous posts here but few seem to get it. I suppose it’s much more fun for them to envision some deep dark conspiracy.


JCZ Says:

tenisbebe: You’re right, they could shift them to the day, but it seems like those would be their marquee matchups (for ratings anyway). I’m curious to know who it’d be.


Dan Martin Says:

I feel for Levine. This could on the other hand represent Cilic becoming more of a mature player after coming back like this.


tenisbebe Says:

JCZ – Djoko has not played a “night” match per se yet but…. as you say, the ratings game is the biggest factor. The media always seems to know ahead of time how the OOP will look days in advance (perhaps they just guess) but I tried in Cincy to find out from some media types what the OOP would be for the next days evening matches & was not successful. Should be a wonderful evening for you. Please let us know about your experience.


jane Says:

Dan, yeah I feel for Levine too, but Cilic got himself into two 5-setters at Wimbledon as well, although I don’t think he had to basically resurrect himself like he’s had to today!


jane Says:

Yes, JCZ – do have fun at the USO tomorrow!


tenisbebe Says:

Dan – yeah, I only saw a few games from the 1st 2 sets (none of the 3rd) so it’s hard to know what went awry for Jesse. Too, too bad for him but he is 21, yes? Young for an American player. But as you type, perhaps this says more about Marin’s maturity.

I will be out of town this weekend tennis mates visiting family but will be with you in spirit. Enjoy the matches & back on Tuesday.


Ty Says:

Good job mosquito and Cilic, both coming back from 2 sets down. Cilic is letting any Tom, Dick, or Harry take him to the brink lately.


Long Live the King Says:

You will have Andy, Maria and most likely Roger Vs Hewitt during day time as CBS would want the most pro-US matches and/or good matches.

I will venture a guess that Novak gets the night match since he has not played at night thus far. The women, I dont know but, surely not Maria. CBS wants her to get their ratings.


vared Says:

Oh no, tranny may beat Vika!


jane Says:

vared – looks like Azarenka is going out today. Sheesh, top seeds are falling like rain on the women’s side.

Long Live, Novak is playing a young American in Witten, so they may put that on at night or late afternoon, but maybe on Armstrong?

I would imagine Isner and Roddick would be on Ashe.


vared Says:

Well then let Novak get quietly pissed about it and beat some butt.

They need to do DNA testing on Tranny Schivone.


Long Live the King Says:

Jane:

Roddick Vs Isner will be on Ashe, but during morning as CBS wants the Roddick match. During the morning session, 1 women’s match and 2 men’s matches will be on Ashe and my guesses for those matches are Roddick, Maria and Rog/Lleyton.

Novak has not got a night match, so he will be given the night match on Ashe, I am guessing.


Von Says:

Long Live: I’d imagine CBS would want Roddick during the day between 11:00 am and 6:00 pm; likewise with Sharapova. The Tennis channel picks up USO broadcasting from 7:00 to 11:00 pm, and I’m thinking it’s during that time slot that Djokovic will be featured.


vared Says:

Jmac was just talking about Tranny’s gamesmanship and that it is an epidemic. I saw Oudin do it yesterday and the commentators were suggesting that too.


Von Says:

vared: Why do you call Schiavone ‘Tranny’?


Von Says:

vared: There are a few WTA players who abuse the MTO’s and use gamesmanship a lot more than Schiavone.


vared Says:

Well it’s a play on Franny. Sort of how people call Sharapova, Shriekapova.I wonder if they should do testing on her like that runner from S. Africa, Semenya.


jane Says:

Long Live – duh – it just occured to me that it’s the weekend tomorrow! LOL. So I was thinking Andy at night so more people could see him either on t.v. or in person. But now that I realize it’s Saturday tomorrow, what you say makes perfect sense.


vared Says:

Von, JMac was a bit pissed about Tranny and the rule in general. It doesn’t matter who does it more. I say they either do something about MTO’s with everyone or people should just accept it as a reality. If the rule is there to use then anyone should use it as they please. We cannot say one person is bad because they used it 15 times in 5 years and another player only used it 8 times in 5 years and so it’s OK for that one because they used it less. Ridiculous.


Long Live the King Says:

Von :

I am almost sure A-rod and Maria will be in the 11-6 slot. I generally remember CBS gets 2men’s matches, so I am guessing they will try to get Roger’s match too.

I think Roddick/Isner could get tricky if Isner serves really well. Roddick’s open is starting tomorrow. Needs to have his A game on to save you from pulling your hair or whoever is around you at that time :D

Jane:

I thought I would mention saturday/weekend but somehow forgot. Sometimes you just lose track of day/date….. I know it happens to me a lot of times!


Von Says:

Long Live:

Yes, I agree with you that Isner could prove to be a huge problem for Roddick even though some posters feel differently. Isner, if you remember pushed Fed hard and took a set from his a while back. He’s dangerous because of his height and huge serve, even though he’s not a good mover. If he beats my little puddle duck, I’m going to be so mad with him and won’t root for him in the future. The way I see it, if he beats Roddick, he’ll probably run out of steam by the time he gets to Verdasco because he’s not a fit player, and that would make me want to slap him. LOL. I get angry with some players who like to beat a top player to get a good scalp and then phase out in the next round, and to me that’s bad, because they are not going to win the title, so why do it? It’s like what Querry did at Cincy to Andy when Roddick was sick at that match, and then couldn’t do a thing vs. Hewitt who ate him up for lunch the next day. LOL. Long Live, would you hold Isner for me so I could smack him if he beats up on my little puddle duck? I don’t know why, but have bad, bad feelings about that match.


Long Live the King Says:

I can understand your worries Von. If it helps, I think A-rod will pull it out in less than 4 sets. It is going to be quite a big upset – definitely on the scale of Murray’s upset at Oz open this year, if Isner does win 3sets. I think A-rod should get to the quarters without too much trouble.

From then on, he will need his Wimbledon form to get through those remaining 3.

I agree with you about players losing it after they pull out a major upset. I really respect what Baghdatis did at Aus open 2006 or Gonzo in Aus Open 2007 or Tsonga in Aus 08 or Verdasco in 09 Oz or Soderling in 09 French. I really cant see Isner doing that at this open, so if he does any mischief tomorrow, I will definitely hold him for you. (though I might need a chair/desk to really seem him eye to eye :D


Veno Says:

Von, I will repeat myself…

Andy will have no problem with J-Issie..
At most he’ll get a tiebreak…

I started watching Maria when she was 5-1 down to Li and Li was serving for the 1st set. She double breaks back and is serving now to make it 5-5


Veno Says:

Maria!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you doing?!


Long Live the King Says:

Jane:

Sat’s schedule is out and we got the morning matches right. The order though, is Roger, Maria, Andy.

Blake gets the night match on Ashe and Novak is 1st up on Armstrong (you got that one right Jane!) Maybe the USTA is trying not to rattle the qualifier Witten by putting him on at night – it must be so much more nerve-wrecking under the lights on Ashe than on Armstrong. Though, I personally think the Witten guy would totally make full use of the electrifying conditions to make it tough for Novak.

Let’s hope Novak keeps on course and doesn’t get back to his pre-cincy days (to be fair, even then he wasn’t losing to total nobodies/qualifiers)


SRM Says:

I just realized both Isner and Querrey are playing a doubles match. And Isner is playing again tomorrow against Roddick. I think Roddick will cruise through that match.


Von Says:

Veno: Welcome, glad you showed up, mon ami. I was wondering if I should put out an APB on you or have PietejeP and Interpol check up on you, but that is all moot now. LOL. I’m going to smack you if Isner does the unthinkable.
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Long Live: According to Brad Gilbert the shorter guys need to step on a mini-trampoline to equal the height of the Sasquatch tall giants/Gullivers. Trust Brad Gilbert to come up with such funny quips. LOL.

I think CBS is looking for another day to evening match for Roddick under the lights again. I don’t know about Witten being bothered by the big courts — he’s 28 years old and is quite mature, so he might make full use of the moment as you stated. And my famous last words ….. Only time will tell…..


Von Says:

SRM: I hope it’s a tiring and long doubles match. Who’re their doubles opponents?


SRM Says:

Von,

They are playing against Ljubicic/Llodra and are leading the first set 3-1.


SRM Says:

Roddick is going to face very tough opponents from 3rd round onwards.

3rd Round: Isner
4th Round: Verdasco/Haas
Quarter Final: Djokovic
Semi-Final: Federer
Final: Murray/Nadal

I think he has the toughest draw of all top 5.


Von Says:

SRM: thanks for the info. OY VEY, Llodra and Ljub are definitely no competition for Querrey and isner. Their serves will kill Ljub/Llodra, and Isner will use today’s match in lieu of his practice time which will definitely sharpen his net skills. OY VEY again. Why did Roddick have to get such a pissy draw, plus he’s the only one to face two top 10 players in his QF? DC and Montreal were horrible with the giants,the and Isner really stretched Roddick in DC SF. I’m hoping if Roddick can split the first two sets with Isner, then the match will have to go to a fourth set, and if that happens then Roddick should be the fitter of the two, so he’ll probably pull out the win. Oh puddle ducks I’m so worried for you.


i am it Says:

ouanna is really troubling gonzu.
so far on men’s side no mishaps. all top ten are are rolling unperturbed.


PietjeP Says:

Hi Von ; I will let you know when Veno comes here live on the news as a fugitive. Although they do a lot less OJ like helicopter chasing over here in Holland. Police prefers to write parking tickets; which I’ve been able to scrape together a couple this week ;)

Unfortunately I couldn’t see much tennis this week. I saw a little of Rafa vs Gasquet (kind of dissappointing, I expected a bigger fight). Just saw Murray vs Cap.

What surprises me most, is that there haven’t been any upsets at all so far. Any! That should give us many nice match ups next week.

Which by the way sucks… because on finals weekend, I’m doing an exo show for work. Damn sure hope they will have Eurosport in my hotel…. If not watch for me on the news doing nasty things ;) It would become the 3rd slam final I’ve missed this year! In Cuba was the best. During whole bloody Wimbledon the ESPN Espanol worked, except on men’s final day. Duh!


vared Says:

trying not to rattle the qualifier Witten by putting him on at night – it must be so much more nerve-wrecking under the lights on Ashe than on Armstrong

Long live: They put McHale under the lights.


Von Says:

SRM:

I previously stated that I’d love to switch DelPotro’s and Djokovic’s draws with Roddick’s. In DC Andy had to fight off 3 huge servers, while DelPotro didn’t even face one, plus he got a walk-over from Soderling. Then, nearly the same scenario in Montreal. At Cincy, his first match was against Querrey (I’m supposing Sam knew Roddick was sick) who pushed Andy very hard to win, but had nothing left for the next day, where Hewitt made easy work of him.


Veno Says:

Wow, Robby G is halfway to LA by now, the amount of miles Almagro is making him run.

4 breaks in a row…3-3 in the 4th…

Trust Robby to make watching a tennis match into an agonizing ride in a “Final Destination Like Roller Coaster”


Veno Says:

And Von, my favourite cutie is out :(

Bud props to Na Li, she was the better player. Hope Maria will take confidence from winning 2 slam rounds and start to get more consistency in her game. She has all the tools and is very soft on the eyes.

She should dump Igor and let good ol’ Veno charm the pants out of her so she’ll be floating on the tennis courts!


i am it Says:

monfils looks extremely smooth operator. he’s such a beauty to behold.


Veno Says:

Robby survives 3 break points….


Veno Says:

agree i am it….Monfils is truly a joy to watch!


PietjeP Says:

Veno ; good news. The schedule for tomorrow is out. If you want to watch Fed, you don’t have to stay up late. He will start at 11:00 NY time

And Roddick will start around 15:00. Decent time too!


Veno Says:

Hey Pietje!
Nice to see you back!

Yeah, I saw the schedule and that makes me happy, kind of nice because am licking my wounds because Maria is out of the tourney!


Veno Says:

Von: Robby G about to arrive at LA city limits but he pulled out a 5th set….

Hope he eats some powerbars before starting the 5th set cause he has burned calories like a New York marathon runner in the 4th. Almagro was sending him everywhere!


PietjeP Says:

Veno; you’re a big fan of Shriekapova?


Dan Martin Says:

Robby Ginepri into a 5th set. The reward is likely Nadal, but I hope Robby gets that reward in round 3 as Almagro took such a pasting from Nadal at the French in 08 its hard to want to see a repeat of that.


Tennisfan Says:

I guess we all know now that to spell “Dynasty” you need the word Nasty ….

Well to spell the word “Dumb Ass” you neither both the word .. Dumb … and ass …


Von Says:

PietjeP:

Hello! I’ve been meaning to thank you for your support but didn’t want to make it obvious at the time, but a big ‘thank you’ now goes out to you for rising to my defence.

I’ve given up on Veno. I keep putting/sending him to bed, and like a kid, who’s excited with his new toy, a few minutes later, he’s back again posting. What are we to do with him? LOL. I’m beginning to seriously believe you that the guy is indeed guilty of indulging in some type of jewelry caper, etc. Have there been any large jewelry heists of late in your country? If so, it would explain Veno’s erratic nocturnal patterns. LOL and LOL again.

Well, for the hotel management’s sake and its patrons well-being, I hope the hotel does have a channel on which you can watch the tennis matches during the SF and finals. I’ll appoint Veno as my look-out viewer to watch the news, (I don’t understand Dutch) just in case the unthinkable happens, and there isn’t any type of tennis broadcast, especially now that you’ve alerted me that you’ll probably go ‘Postal’. BTW, in case you’re not familiar with the ‘Postal’ stuff, here in the US, the Postal employees are under a lot of pressure in their jobs, and there have been instances where some of them just flipped out and went berserk, killing people, hence the term ‘Postal’. LOL

PietjeP, nice chatting with you. I’m wondering though, don’t you travel with your lap-top, and if you do, you can always connect to ADTHE.net and some other live streams which I’m positive will be broadcasting the matches. If you need additional links, please let me know and I’ll give you a few more live stream web addresses.


Veno Says:

They have to rewrite the rule book on MTO.
Getting to a point where a rule is stretched so far it becomes a tactical asset and this should never be the case. A rule should promote impartiality and unambiguity.

La Monf has good reason to be annoyed by Beck taking a long MTO and immediately he breaks and holds.

This is just wrong!


PietjeP Says:

Ahh Veno; you mean Kirilenko…


Veno Says:

PietjeP Says:

Veno; you’re a big fan of Shriekapova?

My dear fellow Dutch tennis enthusiast!!!

Don’t blasfeme please!!!

Moi, a fan of Shriekapova? Heck no!!!

When I refer to Maria, it is always going to be Maria Kirilenko


Veno Says:

Just in time Pietje!!! Ignore my lambasting :)


Von Says:

Tennisfan: @ 5:52, out of curiosity what’s with ‘dynasty’ — I didn’t see any posts on ‘dynasty’. On ‘dumb ass’, did you see Shawshank redmption, where one of the inmate, who couldn’t read, saw a book on Dumas, and read it as ‘dumb ass’. LOL.


Veno Says:

Von says: I’ve given up on Veno. I keep putting/sending him to bed, and like a kid, who’s excited with his new toy, a few minutes later, he’s back again posting. What are we to do with him? LOL. I’m beginning to seriously believe you that the guy is indeed guilty of indulging in some type of jewelry caper, etc. Have there been any large jewelry heists of late in your country? If so, it would explain Veno’s erratic nocturnal patterns. LOL and LOL again.

I get up in the morning and don’t b**** about being tired and do my work….I always say: At night a man, the next morning a man too!

But thanks for making me feel like a kid Von, I appreciate it :)


PietjeP Says:

Von; you’re welcome. Did the mosquito leave the building? :) Or is it still buzzing around somewhere…?

Don’t know what happens in the night here… I prefer sleeping. But I didn’t see Veno’s mugshot yet on Holland’s most wanted :) But big respect to him for staying up late all the time. Probably I’m getting old.

Semi finals I will miss for sure :( After the exo, we have an official dinner with drinks…
I can bring my laptop; but 9 out of 10 times those wireless hotel connections suck for watching streams. Eurosport is the only cable channel here that is broadcasting live matches. Maybe some Belgian channel will too, but I doubt it. I really hope I will be able to see the apotheose!


Von Says:

Veno: Comisserations on Maria K. I didn’t expect her to go very deep as in SfF but hoped she’d make it to the QF. Let’s hope your other cutie, our girl Cirstea, makes it to the SF, so that you’ll be able to enjoy some eye candy for a bit longer. LOL.


PietjeP Says:

Veno ; yeah. I was wondering when I typed it… didn’t see Shriekapova play today :)


PietjeP Says:

Veno; watch old clips of Miriam Oremans for eye candy haha :) Our biggest Dutch tennis babe ever!


Veno Says:

Vonnie, thanks for the commisserations, but are you trying to make me out as a sexist? I take offence to that.

You know I only watch women’s tennis because of the brilliant physical and mental capabilities of almost all the players and there exciting matches.


Veno Says:

PietjeP Says:

Veno; watch old clips of Miriam Oremans for eye candy haha :) Our biggest Dutch tennis babe ever!

BIG LOOOL Pietje


Veno Says:

*and there are exclusively exciting matches


funches Says:

Murray became the first top 10 player to lose a set today.

Here’s a good take on why he shouldn’t be the favorite to win the U.S. Open.


Von Says:

PietjeP: How about the Hotel’s business office section where they have computers, etc., available for the guests to use. Also, how about ordering a pay-per-view through the hotel and record the match for viewing later. Those hotels have all kinds of office stuff and recorders available.

I haven’t seen the mosquito since your ‘love’ post, so I suppose it indeed left, but just like a mosquito, it will be back again …. sucking …. and sucking …… LOL. ____________________

Veno: Are you offended by my kid/toy remark? I was just kidding around and had no intentions of hurting your feelings. If I did, my apologies.


Veno Says:

Von says: “Veno: Are you offended by my kid/toy remark? I was just kidding around and had no intentions of hurting your feelings. If I did, my apologies.”

Dear Von, despite being an excellent profiler, why oh why does it seem so hard for you to profile l’il ol’ Veno?

You should know by now that I do not take offence to your very entertaining and funny posts regarding silly me. Please don’t feel obliged to apologize my dear friend.

If you were to offend me in any way(hell will probably freeze over before that happens) I will tell you straight up.

Je t’aime bien mon amie!


Veno Says:

Amai, Robby is making my toes curl in agony again…


Tennisfan Says:

Von: … just a comment on Serena’s tshirt she wore for her interview on ESPN today …
which read:

to spell the word “Dynasty” you need the word nasty

… how intelligent …

… In the same vane I thought I would point out that …

to spell the word “dumb ass” you need both the word dumb and ass :)


PietjeP Says:

Von; maybe the mosquito is laying on a sofa talking to a professional somewhere. Either that or in kindergarten :)

Have to get you back to earth Von; it’s a Dutch hotel. Think of it like a time warp to the dark ages. 99.9% don’t have pay per view. Ehh correction, yes they have but only for a different kind of sports :)
But, let’s not get premature… maybe they have eurosport and everything will be perfect…


PietjeP Says:

What a match Ginepri / Almagro. Great battle!
Oh oh oh


Veno Says:

@funches

Nice article. Thanks for putting the link up.
Although I agree on all points he makes, it is kind of mind boggling that he screws up by stating once and referring another time to a wrongful Fed-Murray match. Ouch!!!!

Fed and Murray played in the Cincy SEMIFINAL and not the final.

Imo, this sweeps all his merit from the points he makes off the table. Bad journalism.

Also, he should have incorporated that all the experts pick Murray, because this is human nature: hoping their rationalization of another player than Federer winning the Open will somehow increase the chances of a self-fullfilling prophecy.
All the experts aren’t picking Murray because they really think he’s the top favourite(if they were truthfull they would all pick Fed), they do because they all are secretely hoping another than Fed will win the Open.


Von Says:

PietjeP: LOL, at the kindergarten remark, but she does sound like a kid doesn’t she?

I forget that some parts of Europe are not as equipped as US hotels (the large ones that is) so excuse the oversight. Anyway, I’m hoping for you that you’ll be able to watch something live, or failing that, you could record the matches at home on your DVR and watch later when you return home. I know it’s not the same as watching live, especially when you know the results, but look at it this way, if Fed’s in the final, wouldn’t you at least want to see how well he played? for me, a slice of bread is often good at times when we can’t have the whole loaf.
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Tennisfan: Thanks for the explanation. I agree on the ‘Dynasty’ remark. LOL.

____________________
Veno: Glad to know I didn’t offend you, and I’ll now be able to sleep peacefully tonight.


Veno Says:

Pietje, no offence, but what hotel are you staying at then? Oefff

Tough luck, hope you’ll have Eurosport. Put it on mute as the commentary is ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS!!!


Veno Says:

Von says: “Veno: Glad to know I didn’t offend you, and I’ll now be able to sleep peacefully tonight.”

LOOOOOOOOL

Bad girl!


Von Says:

Oh well, tough luck for Ginepri, he’s out!

Gonzalez and Ouanna are playing a good match; same for Monfils and beck.
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SRM: Are you keeping an eye on Isner/Querrey! Is Isner having a good work-out? LOL.


Veno Says:

Von, Taylor is playing a great match against Navarro!!!

Good to see him back on the courts, always loved watching him!


Veno Says:

Von good news for you, Ljubi/Llodra took the second breaker…In a decider now…


i am it Says:

for murray fans he is in the presser right now.


Veno Says:

Taylor D misses 2 setpoints ouch…

Amazing stats there so far: 60 winners to 25 UE for them combined(only 12 aces)


PietjeP Says:

Veno; gewoon van der Valk :)

Von; oh yes. I will surely tape it on DVR. But live is the best thing. The tension. The match. The drama!

Anyway; I’m off. Goodnight to everybody here. Goodmorning to Veno for later ;)


Veno Says:

Thanks Pietje, have a good one!


Von Says:

Veno: Thanks for the Isner/Querrey update!

I’m glad Dent playing well at the moment and sincerely hope he’ll be able to keep up his form and win the match.

Murray usually has a mental walk-about in some of his matches, so this is nothing strange. On the other hand though, he should have put away Capdeville in three, since Capdeville is not a very difficult opponent and more of a clay-courter, and that’s not such a good thing. But, to reiterate, a walk-about set is usually the norm for Andy M.


Von Says:

PietjeP: I enjoyed chatting with you. Have a good night’s rest with dreams of tennis matches.


Veno Says:

I agree on Murray. He totally fell asleep in the second. Woke up at the beginning of the third, foot on the gas and paddle to the metal and off he went.
Margot must have been annoyed seeing him play so unbelievably passive during the second set especially.

He should start to incorporate more aggression into his game. His former coach used as excuse that Murray wouldn’t be Murray anymore if he were to play more aggressive….whahahaha, no wonder he’s not Andy’s coach anymore.


Von Says:

Veno: Clijsters is playing. Venus is coming up and after her it’s Nadal


Veno Says:

Ai, Taylor gave the second set. He was 15-40 on Navarro’s serve leading 5-4 and just lost the second to 5. Come on Taylor…Get your head bac into it.

Kimmi starting on Armstrong now.
The whole of Belgium going mad about now!


Veno Says:

Poor Flipkens, I doubt she’ll get more than 3 games this match. Gonna be a light work out for Kimmi


Veno Says:

Acasuso beating the crap out of Ferrer uptil now.
Ferrer probably shouting Spanish profanity after profanity about now.


Von Says:

Veno: Gilbert was a good coach in some ways, but more detrimental to the players in other respects. He’s responsible for Roddick developing that 10 foot behind the baseline style of play, and only talked up surf ‘n turf MO, which is bringing the heat on the big serve and then blasting with the FH. That messed up and stagnated Roddick’s game big time because he didn’t pay any attention to playing an all-court type game and stunk as a returner. It’s also the reason why Andy panicked whenever he faced another big server as in Berdych, et al., because in those matches, his major weapon was neutralized and he had nothing to fall back on. With Stefanki, Andy’s been able to develop confidence in an all-court game and use his legs, so now when he meets a huge server, he doesn’t need to use just his serve but have other things working for him, which is just wonderful, IMO and keeps the nerves in check.

What a pity A-Rod wasted so many years on so many mediocre coaches. I wish at times that Andy had gotten together earlier in his career with Stefanki. Stefanki, BTW, since hooking up with Roddick, is receiving a lot of recognition, with the USTA whereby I heard PMac state recently they would love to have him on their staff.

Gilbert helped Murray by instilling in Andy M. that he needed to put on more weight/muscle, and be fitter, which has made Murray a much better/fitter/stronger player. On the negative side, he encouraged Andy M. to vent, but then the venting became uncontrollable and injurious to Andy M. mentally in his matches wherein he wasted a lot of much needed energy on inconsequential stuff and his game suffered …. all things in moderation.


Von Says:

Veno, that Ferrer is some nut on the court! He kicks the signs, throws his racquets, curses and does mental somersaults, not to mention his passionate sounds — what a character! LOL. Could you just imagine if he were to utter that stuff in audible English at Wimby? The genteel dames would blush a bright red down to their dyed hair roots. LOL.


funches Says:

Veno,

The funny thing is the author on the linked article about Murray had semifinal twice and final twice when referring to the Federer-Murray match. Pick a round. I was waiting for a reference to that match being in the quarterfinals.

Good thing I have no idea who the author was.


Von Says:

Jon Wertheim’s comments on today’s matches.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_wertheim/09/04/usopen.day5/index.html

Veno: Read — Nate Stafforrd, Ellington, Conn., comments and comparison on Jankovic’s and Serena’s comments when they lose as opposed to the grace and class Dementieva displays. This goes back to our discussion yesterday during JJ’s match wherein you stated you were certain she’d have some not so nice remarks and excuses if she loses, and she followed on cue.


Veno Says:

Thanks for the link Von!

Ferrer is quite a character indeed, loved your Wimbledon description lol.

@funches: LOL, nice one!

Taylor in a third set breaker hussle. Hope he gets through!


Veno Says:

And Von, nice read on Brad, A-Rod, Murray and Stefanki!


SRM Says:

Hi Von,

I echo your comments on Roddick wasting his peak years with some mediocre coaches. Before this year, I used to think Roddick is one-dimensional with just serve and forehand but now I realize this guy can play all-round but needed good coaching. Any way I wish he wins one more grand slam for all his efforts this year.


Veno Says:

Venus up a set on another “-ova”

Wertheim always a nice read.

Of course it’s tragic that JJ’s grandmother passed away and at a very awkward time for JJ.

But….to blame her loss on that tragedy? I don’t know, not saying it couldn’t have contributed, but it does raise my eyebrow a little. I would have suspected her saying something like: “Ok, I lost, got close to winning, I gave it my all although the news was a big shock of course and now I just want to be with my family.

If you’re that close in a match, holding 2 match points it seems to me there is as much a chance you could get mad and do it for your loved ones as there is chance you wilt because of emotions.(Remember Pete at Ozzie ’95?)

If she would have looked distracted, unfocussed and all over the place losing 2 and 2 I could go with that reasoning easier.

Somehow for celebrities/public figures it seems it is tougher if they lose a loved one than compared to an average Joe as it is almost immediately public knowledge.

That said I wish JJ and her family strength to deal with their loss.


Von Says:

Veno: — You’re welcome and thanks for your nice words.

Will you be staying up late tonight for Nadal’s match? If so, enjoy! I hope Dent wins this match just for his confidence.

Meanwhile, Clijsters is making easy work of her country-woman Flip kens — she’s indeed flipping her over. LOL. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Clijsters makes it to the finals and wins the title. Now, wouldn’t that be an inspiration to the players, both male and female, not to mention the huge story for the media? WOW, talk about the media salivating over a great headline, well that would be it.

I think I’ll call it a night and head for my TV and couch as I’m ready to keel over from the tough day I had at work today.

I’ll probably get back on line during Nadal’s match. But, in the event I don’t do so, please go to sleep after Nadal’s match and sleep well. I’ll bid you Bon soir, and remember, Je t’aime bien, mon ami!


Kimo Says:

does anybody have a link where i can download Jon’s book “strokes of genius”?


Veno Says:

Ok Von, take your well deserved R&R on the couch.

I love watching Taylor play. He lost the third in a breaker aiai….Navarro hit 47 winners and 12 UE so far. Taylor is at 74 winners and 40 UE! And only 9 aces each!

His match against Lopez was a thriller to watch too!

I hope he gets the job done!


Veno Says:

And thank you for your never dying support and sweet words to me! Je t’aime bien aussie mon amie!

I will be online for Rafa’s match. I’ll finally sleep in tomorrow and already missed Andy’s 2 matches! I’m staying up for Rafa tonight!


Von Says:

SRM:

I’ll echo your sentiments on Roddick and I also also hope that he’ll win another slam. I know winning another slam will definitely make him feel that all the hard work he’s put in was worth the effort in the grand scheme of things. For me, not being a numbers cruncher, I see things as only numbers, be it 1, 2 or 20, but I suppose it’s the numbers that really matter to the majority of sports fans the world over. Therefore, I’ll join you in wishing A-Rod all the very best, and here’s hoping for that elusive No. 2 GS title.

SRM, it was nice chatting with you; enjoy Nadal’s match and have a goodnight!


Veno Says:

Vonnie, hope you have a broadcast of the Bryan Bros!

I think they need to step it up and win the Open. If they don’t this season will be an anti climax personified….


Von Says:

Kimo:

On the link I supplied to you, you can probably find Jon’s email address, and I’d suggest you email him about the book. I know he answers emails, so why not give it a try. Also, Dan Martin mentioned he knows Wertheim so why not seek Dan’s help. I’m sure Wertheim will be thrilled to know someone wants to read his book. Good luck!


Kimo Says:

Von:

Yeah, but I’m not sure he’d be ok with me downloading it for free :P

Thanks anyway.


Von Says:

Veno: When are the Bryans playing? I think Zimonjic is their nemesis not Nestor. In the past the Bros used to beat Nestor and Knowles regularly, but ever since Nestor teamed up with Zimonjic, who is more a singles than a doubles player, they’ve run into a pillar that’s unmoveable and a has become a huge obstacle for them.


Veno Says:

The bryans are playing now Vonnie! On Armstrong!!!!!


Veno Says:

And agree in Zimo…
One of the things is his serve and his BH. Being a righty with that sweet one handed BH returns of his….Trouble for the Bryan Bros


Veno Says:

Wow!!! After 3 hours play Taylor D just whacked a 145 mph!!! serve to Navarro. Guess his back is holding up fine!


Von Says:

Veno: Thanks for the Bryans info. The spirit is willing, but the body is extremely weak now, and to my couch I go. I could use that neck massage you had offered to do earlier in the week. Catch ya later, probably manana.


Von Says:

Veno: I just remembered something. Use this ESPN link, NOT the web address, and I think you’ll be able to watch espn360, but you will need to bookmark this specific link for future use NOT the web address — hope you get my drift. Try it and see if it works — the stream is beautiful, crisp and sharp. Let me know if it works.
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/player


vared Says:

Here’s a good take on why he shouldn’t be the favorite to win the U.S. Open.
——–
Funches, I was watching JMac tonight talking before the Venus match and he said something like..”they’ve been working for 4-5 years to get Murray to win the US Open.” So I guess that is the plan and the PR boost he is getting from the commentators is tremendous.All of them are picking Murray to win it all over everyone else. Mac even said today that Murray’s serve is the best in tennis. Von, looks like Mac has jumped on the Murray bandwagon over Roddick again. Remember Wimby he was with Fed.

Is anyone here getting sick and tired of the Kim story that she had a baby a year and a half ago? It reminds me of the Ana swimming pool story of two years ago. Kim had a baby, not an amputation. Sheesh.


Veno Says:

Dent broke!!! Go Taylor!

Ferrer-Acasuso already playing a 5th

Up to this point this has been a sizzling USO!!!


Veno Says:

Doesn’t work Vonnie, but thanks for the effort


Veno Says:

Dent fires one at 147 mph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Von Says:

Vared:

“Mac even said today that Murray’s serve is the best in tennis. Von, looks like Mac has jumped on the Murray bandwagon over Roddick again. Remember Wimby he was with Fed.”

You’ve got to feel some sorrow for JMac; the guy’s in his dotage and he does not remember what he says from one minute to the next. He’s so ineffective that he’s laughable now. I can understand him saying Murray will win, which is definitely a possibility, but to say Andy M’s serve is the best in the sport, is really reaching IMO. Andy M’s got a very good first serve, but his second serve is definitely his Achilles heel.

Last night, JMac was raving about Roddick’s serve as being the most effective and the best on the men’s tour, with the variety he uses, etc., so as I said, we’ve got to feel some sadness for the guy as he’s gotten to the point where he borders on the edge of effectiveness when he speaks. LOL. When JMac is commentating on a match it’s more or less just idle chatter than anything else. Between him and Tirico, the commentating last night was a joke. Tirico, to me has a minute amount of tennis knowledge and JMac just babbles, and betwixt them both, the commentating as I said was a joke.


jane Says:

Long Live @ 4:45 – thanks for the update on the schedule. I too hope Djoko can carry on to the quarters anyhow, and not revert to pre-Cincy play. His match vs. Kohls and/or Step will be a test. I haven’t seen Witten at all, but I read one of his interviews at the USO site in which he said his cheering section were loud and got his opponent “down” so I hope that Djok just stays focused.

Tennisfan – good one @ 6:22 re: dumb … ass. : )

Veno @ 6:32 – Agree 100%. Journalists HAVE to get the facts straight for me to buy their arguments.


Veno Says:

Rafa about to begin
My girl Sorana looking good to win her doubles match
Taylor Dent has reached 100 winners!!!
David Ferrer about to lose to Jose A. unless he pulls off a miracle


jane Says:

vared asks “Is anyone here getting sick and tired of the Kim story that she had a baby a year and a half ago? It reminds me of the Ana swimming pool story of two years ago. Kim had a baby, not an amputation.”

Yep – I am with you vared; the announcers repeat the same stories or anecdotes ad nauseam to the point of either nausea or mute, whichever comes first.


Veno Says:

Hi Jane!
Cool you’re joining us…

Von, how funny, Sorana just won second rnd doubles with C.Wosniacki…her next opponent in the singles 3rd rnd. That would be weird!


Veno Says:

Kiefer looks genuinely scared of Rafa….what a horrible start for the German


Veno Says:

Kiefer better get on court or it will be over very soon


Veno Says:

I’m going to bed….This is hardly going to be a match….


Veno Says:

Feel sorry for the spectators


Veno Says:

16-2 in pts for Nadal…sheeshhhhhhh

Ferrer is out!


jane Says:

Yeah, I am watching the end of Dent instead; maybe Kiefer will be more into it by then.

Navarro feeling distracted by NYC crowd I guess.

But it looks like this will go to a 5th set tiebreak – hope so. Need my drama fix.


Veno Says:

a bagel in the first set of a third rnd men’s match…wow


Veno Says:

Have been watching and enjoying Dent-Navarro muchisimo!


Veno Says:

5th set tiebreaker!!!!!!

Taylor hits an 143 mph ace after almost 4 hrs play!!!

His back must be good!!!


blah Says:

Dent reminds me of Tsonga. (poor man’s). Huge serve, big body,similar volleys.


blah Says:

man, can’t believe I missed this match until now. Looks like it would’ve been great to watch.


Veno Says:

blah: it has been a sizzling match…As was Dent’s first rnd against F.Lopez


Veno Says:

Go Taylor!!!!!!


jane Says:

6 all in the 5th set t.b.!!!!


Veno Says:

Jane, you got your drama fix!!!


Veno Says:

second match point….Go Taylor!!!!!


jane Says:

Lob-ster!


Veno Says:

OMG….7-7


Veno Says:

third time’s a charm!!!!!!


jane Says:

third match point – ai yi yi!


jane Says:

8 ALL Good Lord!


Veno Says:

9-9!!!!!!


Veno Says:

both had mps now…this is by far the match of the tourney!!!!!!


jane Says:

#4 is a charm???


Veno Says:

Dent has made 100!!!!!!!!! clear winners(no aces)


blah Says:

this is nuts. how fast was Dent’s last serve?


jane Says:

He did it!! Woot for DENT!


Veno Says:

Wow!!!!!!! 11-9
What a result for Taylor….woooohooooo So good for him after all the back problems!!!!!!


blah Says:

Dent takes it. woo. huge server/hitter. haha, did he just grab the mic


jane Says:

And he grabs the ump’s mic – how cool is that?


Veno Says:

Navarro hits 12 aces, 4 doubles, 71 winners and only 22 UE and loses the match!!!


Veno Says:

hahaha, very cool indeed!!!!!


Veno Says:

How cool to see 2 S&V matches in a row from both players


jane Says:

Nearly cried watching him running through the crowd – all his injuries and now this. Definitely the most emotional and exciting match I’ve seen – and a great story. And 10/10 on drama to boot. I wish i would’ve seen it from the beginning and not the fourth set on.


Von Says:

blah: You should feel good for your boy Gasquet considering he got 7 games from Nadal. Poor Kiefer got a dinner bagel. Nadal will tear him to bits as he’s done in their previous meetings. C’mon Rafa, just do it!
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Veno: Dent was fantabulouzzz!!!! I’m so happy for him to win such a tough match. things are looking up for US tennis. Do you know Dent has plates in his back? Wow, that’s got to be painful, see ya maybe later …..


jane Says:

Yes all that attacking really puts you on the edge of your seat. I started watching it after the end of 3rd set, and then was going to watch Rafa, but that was a rout so I went back to this match, thankfully. But I hope they replay it; I’d love to see the whole thing.


vared Says:

Good for Dent.

Jane, Witten fans won’t be up at 11:00am ;-)


blah Says:

Von- I was glad to just see him on court again. He looks like he’s rusty, but hasn’t lost his strokes, which is good. now if he could only get his head right…

And dent is probably the biggest server on tour… did they say he broke the net eight times with his serve? wow


Veno Says:

I saw almost the whole match…Saw his whole first rnd match too!!!

Enjoyed it immensely! He’ll take on Andy Murray next…Hope he recovers well and doesn’t ache too much.

Taylor D has had 3 back surgeries Von. It was great to see him have his moment in the lime light!

What a story he will be!!! Also great for American tennis!!!


Veno Says:

Wow, Kiefer was trailing a break in the second, but has 2 breakpoints for a double break in a row!


jane Says:

vared @10:01 – LOL. I will be.

blah – agree: nice to see Richard on the court again; and on another note, your Simon keeps cruising along. Who does he play next? Is it Monfils? Or??


Veno Says:

4-2 Kiefer in the second!!! What the h is going on?


jane Says:

Kiefer came alive after that bagel dinner; Nadal be careful what you feed your opponents! ~ : O


blah Says:

Jane-

Simon plays Ferrero next and if he gets past he will probably run into Del Potro. I hope his knee problems aren’t too serious because he has been playing well and I think he could be a tricky opponent for JmDp, though I don’t think he could get past Murray after that (not a good matchup.)

Your guy Djoker is doing well too. I think it would be very interesting when he clashes with Roddick in quarters… even though Roddick has beat him their last few encounters, I am not sure who I would pick right now. Both are in form.

What’s wrong with Nadal… guess the strategy is to just attack and attack and keep attacking him on hardcourts. Hit flat and hit a clean backhand.

If Dent doesn’t have any injury/health/fatigue issues, it would be interesting to see just how great of a returner Murray is. Dent’s serve is huge.


Veno Says:

Kiefer is playing great tennis…How long can he keep it up…


blah Says:

wow… Rafa needs to be careful. Kiefer is being very aggressive and playing without fear…


Veno Says:

If Kiefer can serve the second set out Rafa will still win in 4 but he’ll have a match on his hands!


blah Says:

Kiefer is just crushing groundstrokes… Rafa does not do well with flat hitters, especially on a fast surface. I don’t think Kiefer can keep it up for that long though…


Veno Says:

Kiefer will have to up his 1st serve perc. Not 1 1st serve in this game


Veno Says:

Lol, and of course a 1st serve Ace lol


blah Says:

nice use of your allowed one strategic bathroom break Rafa…..

Anyway, Kiefer is following the blueprint to beat Rafa. Keep him far back on the baseline, stay on the baseline yourself, hit flat and run him around.


jane Says:

Kiefer will not get tired; he’s supremely fit. Rafa will have to figure this one out; it won’t be won on lasting the longest. It’s cool that we finally have some drama, but i’d like for Nadal to come through this!

NY crowd cheers on underdogs; noticed that in the Gulbis/Murray and Fed/Greul matches – even last night in Roddick’s match, they were cheering some of Giquel’s winners and splits.

blah – Yeah, I remember JMDP vs. Simon here last year in the R16, I think it was? Anyhow it was an excellent match and – going by memory – I think JMDP won in 5 sets right? Anyway, I think Simon is tricky for a lot of guys so if he’s healthy, he can keep going.

I think I’d lean towards Roddick vs. Djoko but neither have been too tested in their first matches. Roddick will be next round, and Djoko the round after (Step or Kohls) or maybe next round – don’t know Witten but he’s got nothing to lose and those guys can be dangerous; plus a “home-town” / American boy as well.


Veno Says:

Jane, it’s not the fitness of Kiefer I worry about. That won’t be the problem. But Rafa will up the ante. He has to keep up with his speed and he will have to start serving better or it’s bye bye Nicolas in a Murray-like scoreline 2 and 2


Veno Says:

A fit JMDP will be the biggest danger to Rafa in his part of the draw, even more than Murray because of how flat Juan hits the ball and the pace he generates on his wings. Nadal will be able to get to a lot of them but most of those will fall short and JMDP will pounce on them.


blah Says:

Rafa is falling into bad habits… I think everyone remembers what happened with guys like Soderling and Tsonga when they hit through Nadal.. he needs to be even more aggressive or he can hope that Kiefer’s game falls…

Jane- I think Simon is a bad match up for Del Potro because he returns well and can counterpunch into a break anytime. He can handle the attacking game of DelPo. Plus, if he keeps that up, Del Potro might tire out… Simon might do murray a favor again…

btw, what a coincidence that the top six ended up in almost the exact same situation as last year? Roddick v.s. Djoker in qfs, Murray and Del Potro, with Simon possibly getting Del Po again, and Roddick’s draw, lol.


blah Says:

Veno- he has to get past Murray first though, and he has to have enough gas left in the tank because Rafa will try to grind him down. But I agree with you, Rafa does not like Del Po’s huge serve/hitting game, his long reach, his height- two handed backhand which helps him handle Rafa’s topspin because he can hit down on the ball.


Veno Says:

slowly but surely you feel control sliding towards Rafa….He’ll keep turning the screws tighter and tighter. Let’s see if Kiefer can keep his flow going


jane Says:

Veno – agree re: Kiefer’s serve and so far he’s holding anyhow But Rafa is looking to attack more. Rafa’s first serve % is at only 57% which is low for him.

Agree on JMDP too. Nadal will have to be more aggressive there. Rafa’s pretty smart; he can usually work his way into a match if he is well.


Veno Says:

Here we go….down a familiar path….Kiefer will be kicking himself not starting the match earlier than the second set


Veno Says:

Kiefer is annoying the bejeezers out of Rafa


Veno Says:

Glad I didn’t go to bed!!! Sorry Vonnie :)


jane Says:

Two things on hardcourt – do not concede the baseline; serve well! But the Macs are right; Nadal seems a little flat, not super confidence.


blah Says:

Kiefer needs to hold this next service game, or else Rafa will take the 3rd set and it’s done.


Veno Says:

LOL, he’s annoying the crap out of Rafa!


jane Says:

He’s definitely hangin on…


Veno Says:

The Macs……please…..


Veno Says:

Nicolas can’t get a first serve in when it matters


Veno Says:

that was the volley of the tourney!


blah Says:

well… bye bye kiefer… if only you got a few first serves in…


Veno Says:

that’s curtains for Kiefer. Nadal gets it done in the end again. Gotta give him props.

Kiefer only made 3 first serves in the whole game, just not good enough…


jane Says:

Rafa finally gets the break – and shows some fire.


jane Says:

So Murray and Rafa first of top … ten? … to drop a set?


Veno Says:

Everything Rafa does on court is done in compliance to his tactical game, even the “fire” and fist pumping. The faces he makes, the stalling between serves, the bottle placements. All used to take the opponent timing wise and mentally out of their natural rhythm and into a situation where he mentally determines the pace of the game. It his his to use, but I wish umps would give him more warnings on the stalling tactics.


Veno Says:

You’re right Jane, only 2 to drop a set


jane Says:

Ooooo Veno – do I sense some ire? Do you think Rafa is that much of a schemer? I actually think it’s closer to OCD with the bottles and serving prep. I’ve watched him a lot and it seems involuntary. Now the “fire” and facial expressions may indeed be “tactical”.


Veno Says:

No ire, just my opinion. It serves both his OCD ticks as it is tactical getting the opponent out of their rhythm. And he knows it. I would(provided I had enough tennis skills) a horrible match up for Rafa as I would irritate the **** out of him, unsettling him any time I could and throw him off his rhythm.

One of the reasons I like watching tour man more and more is because he’s speeding up his game. Playing to a “natural” rhythm which is established between 2 players after they both compromize to a median speed of play.

Yhis is something Rafa doesn’t let happen(power to him) He will always unilaterally determine the pace of the game. I would do anything to get him out of that comfortable rhythm…
Also one of the reasons I have trouble watching JMDP and his stalling, slumping play sometimes.


Veno Says:

tour man: read your man Djokovic


Veno Says:

Kiefer hanging by a thread!


Veno Says:

Kiefer still can’t find a 1st serve when he most needs them…
Good from Rafa that he makes him pay on second serves


jane Says:

Veno, yes, I did notice at Cincy that Djoko wasn’t sort of playing to Rafa’s speed, slowing down, but just going ahead when he was ready.

I see what you mean about rhythm. I do think Rafa is so extremely focused and “in his own head” when he’s playing that he’s almost oblivious. He’s so ritualistic! I guess that’s why I’ve never seen it as “tactical” or “scheming”.

The title of the ESPN piece I saw on Delpo today kind of goes along with your thinking, but the piece itself doesn’t so much:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/notebook?page=notebook/tennis09042009


SRM Says:

Does any one know why Toni Nadal is not present in the stadium? Did he travel to US at all?


Veno Says:

I’ll give an example to illustrate what I mean Jane:

After a changeover Rafa jogs to his side quickly and then it takes ages before he actually hits his serve or when he receives stands ready.
I love Rafa’s tennis, but I wish he would move it along already…He’s only the fittest guy on tour(apart from the tendonitis of course)


Veno Says:

Toni is present and was in full view a couple of times already my friend


SRM Says:

Kiefer is barely holding the serve. It’s just a matter of time before he gives up. I guess Rafa would take the set 6-3 or 6-4.


jane Says:

SRM – I thought they showed Toni earlier?

Veno – I’ll watch for it. : )


SRM Says:

“Veno Says: Toni is present and was in full view a couple of times already my friend”

Oh my bad then. I can’t see him on usopen.org live stream.


Veno Says:

I agree Jane he is ritualistic and in his own frame of mind and uber concentrated, all I’m saying is that he’s well aware that this has a secondary beneficial effect for him because it’s unsettling to the opponent’s rhythm :)


Veno Says:

Oh boy, am I going to get it from Von tomorrow aiaiai!!!


Veno Says:

you have no stream of the match SRM?


SRM Says:

Veno,

I am watching the live stream from usopen.org
But they don’t seem to show the player’s booth.


jane Says:

Veno – to quote an old Billy Joel song, while hopefully not dating myself too much, “you may be right”! : )

Looks like the match if Nadal takes this break…


Veno Says:

oh ok SRM, nice you’re watching…

Double breakpoint….mini matchpoints for Rafa


Veno Says:

ok, bed time…close to 6 am here

Jane and the rest of you die-hards: G-nite and until tomorrow!!!


jane Says:

G-nite Veno – and note to future Nadal opponents: do not use the drop shot! And per Veno – knock down those H2O bottles and/or speed it up! : )


SRM Says:

Kiefer’s first server is only 41%. That says why he is struggling to hold serve.

I think Rafa will have tough time against Tsonga.


scineram Says:

What Tsonga? Almagro next.


Rick Says:

Scineram, told ya Federer has a much easier draw. Whenever Nadal won his Grand Slams. He won it with tough draws. And it showed who the real champion is. Like in 2008 Roland Garros. Nadal crushed Djokovic in the semi. And Federer in the final. And he is namingly the name who brought Federer to tears.


Rick Says:

All the best players are not on Federer’s draw, Tsonga, Simon Gillies, Del Potro, Murray, Nadal. The only Federer has to deal with is Djokovic. Only if he could names the semi.


Rick Says:

I am not a Nadal fan, but it is funny how Federer fans had responded to the posts. Whenever someone made some true comments of how Federer won his slams. They would accused the other party of being a Nadal fan and things like that. And they also have no sense of humours. Can’t even tell if someone is serious on what they said or not? It just shows how their love for Federer have made them paranoid. And believe that, Federer is invincible on tennis courts, not only that they also believe that everyone are against their idol.


Mindy Says:

Veno,

Now your comments are just the kind of thing that gets me really annoyed. If you think that Rafa needs to use stalling tactics to win matches, then you have been watching with blinders on. Really! You’re just being plain nasty. Do you think that Rafa’s little side courts routines were making Keifer serve so craptastically all through the match? Rafa’s little OCD routine is who he is. It’s not a conspiracy or a way to control the match. He can do that on the court.

It’s pettiness like this that gets to me. If we could discuss tennis, instead of this other silliness, then it would be a lot more interesting. But then, some people just wouldn’t be able to get by without another dig at Rafa. It’s always something.


Mindy Says:

Veno,

Also, about that fist pumping of Rafa’s being a stalling tactic in the match? Surely you jest! I hope so, or this must be a new Rafa conspiracy theory that you are floating here.

Maybe you should just take it for what it is – a tennis player pumping himself up with good body language and encouragement and urging himself to do his best. But then, I guess it’s more fun for you to take this honest expression of his emotion and passion for the game and try to twist it into something dark and demonic.

Like Rafa needs to use tricks to win matches. What an insult!


Rick Says:

Don’t worry, Mindy! Most people here are paranoid. They could not tell whether if someone was only tell a joke. Or just imagining their favourite player being invincible on courts.


grendel Says:

Dent is always a fun player in my book, and the Navarro match sounds like it was a fun match. Unfortunately, certain inexplicable features of one’s biology necessitates the occasional sojourn in the land of nod – so I missed the damn thing. His match with Lopez was a treat, and gave the lie to the idea that serve and volley must somehow be predictable. The silky, sulphurous Lopez engaged the gritty, never say die Dent who, however, had one or two silky skills of his own, notably an exquisite backhand.

This was an old fashioned duel fought in the nether regions, beyond the scrutiny of Hawkeye and the chattering clique of experts. The utterly contrasting personalities of Lopez and Dent, too, added richly to the drama. Dent catches Lopez of guard and gets him love-forty down. Lopez defends magnificently, with breathtaking volleying at the net, retains his serve – and then drops his spare ball (as he moves towards his chair) with an hauteur which trembles (for the spectator) on the edge of hilarity. Dent goes on one of his daydreaming walkabouts and is love forty down when the umpire overules an outcall. An agitated Lopez pleads with the umpire, the crowd, his god, anyone who will listen, but the call stands. !5-40. Dent sarcastically inquires whether they are all ready to play, because he had “been waiting twenty fucking minutes”. But he has woken up, and he proceeds to punish a miserable Lopez. What a match. I don’t suppose Dent will beat Murray, but he’ll give him something to think about and the rest of us entertainment.

Pity Ginepri couldn’t sweat it out against Almagro. The latter just freezes in the headlights of Nadal’s reputation. Which is another pity, because Almagro’s hard flat hitting is exactly the kind of game which can bother Nadal. Unfortunately, you can hit as hard and as flat as you like, but against Nadal, your mind needs to be hard too. Let’s hope Monfils continues to play as Monfils can, because Acasuso, I suspect, is another who will look into Nadal’s eyes and blink. And yet, he too has the game to bother Nadal. Not enough, not enough. Monfils, on the other hand, is afraid of nobody – except perhaps himself.


margot Says:

jane, von: am horribly envious! Your guys are playing brilliantly and Andy M oh dear oh dear. Could not listen to second set! He said he was “tired” too, not good news in first week of Open. I think Dent will seriously bother him,he doesn’t do too well against huge hitters. Dent’s is a fabulous story BTW.
von: think Gilbert was wholy detrimental to Andy M’s development. There was a huge personality clash, apart from anything else. Didn’t realise that he also coached Andy R…..badly!
PietjeP: how you made me laugh, look forward to seeing you on the TV news! However, you try living in UK and not suscribing to Sky matey. Last night had to resort to following Andy’s match on the RADIO!! How old fashioned and uncool is that?
veno: thanx for your good wishes/thoughts. Am now considering valium to help me through……
anybody: saw Carly Gullikson is playing doubles. Is she a relative of the twins?


Veno Says:

Rick Says:

Don’t worry, Mindy! Most people here are paranoid. They could not tell whether if someone was only tell a joke. Or just imagining their favourite player being invincible on courts.

Indeed, don’t worry Mindy and ask Margot for a valium. It will help you relax.

At least nice to see you defend your man so passionately.

First of all, I like Rafa and his tennis and his demeanor. I think he’s one of the best things in tennis! I stayed up after 6 am to watch him play Kiefer and I’m glad he’s through.

But to deduct from what I wrote concerning his routines/antics that I’m on a personal crucade to pin him to a stake, like apparently so many others do is remarkable to say the least.

If you read correctly I have stated that it was MY OBSERVATION and I wrote it as MY SUBJECTIVE view on things. Furthermore I didn’t say that the reason he does it is to unsettle his opponents and break his rhythm but he’ll take the secondary beneficial effect it has for him.

Nor did I ever say or state that he isn’t allowed to have his own routine etc etc.

If me writing things in a critical manner towards Rafa and it annoyed or offended you, that was not my intention. But tough luck, deal with it, I stand by what I write, and you implying that I twist things into something dark and demonic just makes me laugh.

If you were to follow my posts and comments on these threads you’ll surely realize that I am also not afraid to criticize my own fave Fed(am a loyal Fed-ist since seeing him play in my country in Feb of ’01)

And you may call me a lot of things, but a conspiracy-theorist or a dark and demonic person just because I point out some things that you take offence to, I am not. At least, I don’t thin so…

I have noticed that Rafa, next to his unbelievable skill, is very smart in and aware how to exploit the psychological side of the game. And more power to him(which I’ve said before many a time) for employing it.

I advise you to look at yourself(it’s hardly the first literary tantrum you throw on here, which is fine by me) first before making someone else out for who knows what because you were ticked off and let emotions get the better of you and made personal prejudice rear its ugly head.


Colin Says:

Another example of the difference between American and British English: “ticked off”. In the UK “to tick off’ is an active verb, meaning to scold or reprimand. In America “ticked off” obviously means “peed off”. I didn’t grasp the American meaning until a couple of years ago, and got quite confused when I met the phrase when reading.


been there, done that Says:

Re time-wasting:

“Also one of the reasons I have trouble watching JMDP and his stalling, slumping play sometimes.”

This is true…I love the up & coming (or already here :D)JMDP but he’s very slow between games. Same with Rafa. Infact, if anyone watches a match involving JMDP (even yesterday), the commentators, @least on ESPN, almost always have to bring up Rafa and say the two of them overuse time-wasting tactics….too slow between serves, the bottle arrangements.. etc. It is just an observation which has been made many people…and irritates a few players. (Rafa-soderling Wimby ’07 anyone?)……however, it is up to their opponents to keep their cool or for the umpire to give real warnings or award a point to an opponent if the time-wasting is overboard.

Anyhow, stalling is done by everyone……if things are going extremely wrong, a short bathroom break, imo, is ok to gather things together within the allowed time (e.g. roddick@ wimby after 2nd set tie-break….it was a strategic break but it still fell within time…so no one’s rhythm was broken). In fact, one of the things I enjoyed in that Wimby final is two players getting on with it at a fast enough pace. Also, the umpire was quite tough on both players when each of them claimed they weren’t ready for a serve which was counted as an ace…..he more or less said tough luck..you should have been ready or said you weren’t.

I also don’t mind bouncing the ball 20 times if that’s helps a player calm down before serving a critical point..e.g. Djokovic….for all slack he receives, imo, he only does this when really tight….maybe I’m wrong. But what JMDP & Rafa do is a bit too much….everything is simply slow throughout the match, & the critical points descend to tortoise pace…..a few umpires have been brave enough to give them warnings….I believe one or both got warnings at either Cincy or Montreal.

Anyhow, as many have commented before, it is up to the umpires to enforce the rules, whether someone is a top10 player or ranked #100. court-rules should apply to all.

>>JCZ…enjoy your live matches tonight! lucky you…i’d give anything to watch any player live….even if it’s just a Karlovic ace-fest…i love seeing him frustrate super-talented players. lol!…but only for a few matches.

>>Veno, loving your dreams of being a pro-tennis player & the strategies you’d use. Lolest.

>>Rick@ 2:00, 2:03:…. Loving the comedy!…keep them coming!:D


Rick Says:

I am not a Nadal or a Federer fan, Federer is really overated. But somehow, he is heaps better than Roddick and Hewitt. If Roddick runs into him again. Federer could takes him out in 3 or 4 sets. He has the psychological advantage over him. It is like a death curse to Roddick. Yes, Roddick has been working been and improved on his game. But somehow, he failed to win a tournament since his Wimbledon final. And Roddick was not beaten by Federer in those tournaments that he played.


grendel Says:

“…..a few umpires have been brave enough to give them warnings….I believe one or both got warnings at either Cincy or Montreal.”

The trouble is, these umpires never back up their warnings. And the players know they don’t – so they treat the single warning they get with the disdain it deserves. For it carries no weight. Second warning – now you’re talking points deducted, controversy, rage even, behind the scenes manouevring, career on the line….

Who wants all that? No sane person. So: no second warning, folks, you can depend upon it….


Von Says:

Rick:

“But somehow, he failed to win a tournament since his Wimbledon final. And Roddick was not beaten by Federer in those tournaments that he played.”

So what, it happens to many players all of the time. He had a very tough draw and had match points but didn’t serve out the match; he’s not complaining so why are you? Just because Roddick made the Wimby final he’s supposed to go on a tear and win everything in sights? Says who?

If I remember correctly, you were putting down Roddick’s win over Fed in Miami a few days ago. In your post you mentioned Fed lost to Roddick due to Nadal being in Fed’s head. How ludicrous is that? LOL.

At the time you wrote that post, I thought you were a Fed fan, but now that I realize you aren’t, isn’t that a really cheap shot at Roddick, and for what purpose? I suppose because you feel you have the right to your write as the urge hits you, you could write anything, and if that’s so, then why can’t other posters do the same?

What’s even more ridiculous and ludicrous is the fact that you’re not even a Nadal fan, and upset at Veno for his observations of Nadal’s antics,(which many have mentioned before and is a documented fact by bloggers and commentators as well) by referencing some people as ‘paranoid’, and agreeing with Mindy’s ranting,(who BTW freely indulges in criticizing many players) but aren’t you engaging in the same ‘paranoid’ behavior when you put down other players? Or is this your idea of a fun way to pass your time?

I’d like to know a general question, why is that people who can’t handle criticisms of their faves keep dishing out to other posters’ faves that which they cannot handle? However in Rick’s case, Nadal’s not even his fave, so it seems that Rick’s just entertaining himself at some players’ expense with lavish criticisms, which to me appears to be some kind of fetish. I feel if you want to pick on other players, then brace yourself when it comes back to your player and stop using ‘paranoia’, which is not even relevant here, as an excuse.


Von Says:

been there, done that:

“This is true…I love the up & coming (or already here :D)JMDP but he’s very slow between games. Same with Rafa. In fact, if anyone watches a match involving JMDP (even yesterday), the commentators, @least on ESPN, almost always have to bring up Rafa and say the two of them overuse time-wasting tactics …”

I’m very turned off of players who deliberately try to slow down the points. JMDP is becoming a master at doing this, and it’s the reason why he can play the big points and appear to be mentally tough, because he’s giving himself a lot of time to plan his attack. It’s a very unfair advantage IMO, and one of the reasons I doubt I’d ever become a fan of this guy.

“But what JMDP & Rafa do is a bit too much….everything is simply slow throughout the match, & the critical points descend to tortoise pace…..a few umpires have been brave enough to give them warnings….I believe one or both got warnings at either Cincy or Montreal.”

I like to see a player who’s energized and shows some life, but JMDP puts me to sleep and I don’t enjoy his matches at all. JMDP was warned many times at DC, and Montreal, but he seems to be impenetrable, which is bad for the sport and unfair to his opponents. I get so angry when I hear the silly commentators saying: ‘this guy is playing smartly, he’s taking his time on the big points and is showing that he’s mentally tough…’, duh!!

BTW, I have a suggestion for a new name when you post after your USO sabbatical, how about ‘deja vu’?


Von Says:

margot: I feel very sad that you’ve been relegated to listening to the radio and can’t see the matches. Why aren’t you watching on ADTHE.net?

Gilbert also had a big falling out with Andy R., and it’s the reason they parted company. I think Gilbert is somewhat of a control freak and a hot head, and a coach needs to be firm and calm, which qualities are sadly missing in Gilbert’s CV. As I mentioned previously, I wished Andy R. found Stefanki at least 4 years ago — he would have surely developed into a much better player. Anyway, it’s never too late to make a change, but sometimes the change could be a bit too late.

Don’t worry, Andy M., will be just fine and I’m sure you’ll see him playing a lot better in his next match. His draw has opened up rather nicely IMO. Don’t worry, be happy, and keep smiling!


Mindy Says:

Veno,

I would be careful before I accuse someone of being prejudiced. And don’t deny that you said it, either. If you are going to go after Rafa for his personal foibles or little idiosyncracies in a manner that I deem offensive, guess what! I get to say so. I don’t need psychological advice from you, either thank you very much.

I realize that the people who have formed a comfortable clique here do not like to have their words challenged. I am not someone who posts a lot here. This is a perfect examply of why.

Thank you for pointing out my literary tantrum. I take that as a compliment. Just because someone can write well and speak strongly on behalf of a player that they deeply admire, doesn’t mean they are the ultimate enemy. I do not expect to break up your comfortable little group here. I see that Von has kindly join in and taken a few jabs at me, pointing out that I have criticized other players. Yes, I have and when people have disagreed with me, I was fine with that. Everyone is free to say what they wish here, but it’s pretty obvious that there are very few real Rafa fans, so I am outnumbered. I expected to get hammered for what I wrote. I can handle it.

I would prefer it if people who don’t like Rafa would just say it and not resort to fanciful ways of saying it. Since I am deemed to be someone who needs tranquilizers and is having fits of tantrums for daring to call anyone out on what they say, then I will feel free to depart this blog and leave it to the “in” crowd.


sam Says:

von one more????


Von Says:

Mindy:

“I see that Von has kindly join in and taken a few jabs at me, pointing out that I have criticized other players. Yes, I have and when people have disagreed with me, I was fine with that.”

I’ve not joined in anything. I’ve mentioned to you a few weeks ago when you made those remarks about Federer that I’d be killed if I had stated such. You’ve also expounded negativity with respect to Djoko and Murray. Therefore, I’m just reminding you that you’re capable of doing the same thing with respect to other posters’ faves, and you shouldn’t be unhappy when anyone criticizes Nadal. What I don’t understand with you Mindy, is why you feel that it’s OK to spout off, but you become so worked up when the favour is returned. Surely, you can see that it works both ways.


Mindy Says:

Von,

I will respond to you, since you are someone that I originally really liked. First of all, I did make some comments about Murray and, I think it was Jane who responded asking me why I was so hard on him. She made some good points in a reasonable manner and got me thinking. I actually decided that I was somewhat unfair to Murray. So I am not above rethinking my comments when the response is made in a thoughtful manner.

Second, it’s one thing to criticize a player for mouthing off, which is something I dislike intensely. My issues with Federer have also been expressed here regarding some of his insensitive comments about Rafa.

You make it seem as though all I do here is just trash other players. But what Veno did falls into another category. There was a clear implication that Rafa is manipulating play to his advantage. I felt the point of those comments was that Rafa cheats. Now that is something that is entirely different from honestly expressing opinions about a player’s behavior.

Veno also deliberately distorted what I said about the whole demon and conspiracy issue. What I actually said was that the comments about Rafa doing the fist pumping were made to SEEM as though they were demonic. That was not an attack on Veno, yet it was hurled back at me just to put me on the defensive.

I will stand by everything I have said here. I have read some truly appalling things posted about Rafa in the past. I have indicated that I was a lurker for a while. I let most of it go. If I had to defend Rafa against all of the cheap shots and attacks from some of the people here, it would take way too much time. So I decide which comments I find particularly offensive or inappropriate. I though the comment about wishing that someone would kick over Rafa’s water bottle was utter nonsense. Why should anyone care about Rafa’s little rituals? Maybe he’s superstitious and thinks it will bring him luck, maybe he is really someone with OCD, who knows? What’s the difference?

I think I have said all I need to say about this issue. It has become quite clear to me that my posts are not appreciated on this blog. I certainly have no wish to be anywhere that I am not wanted. This whole clique mentality and group think does not make for a very enlightening discussion. I will be more than happy to leave you to stroking each other’s egos and reassuring each other of your tennis acumen.


grendel Says:

Mindy

I don’t belong to any group, and I certainly don’t support Nadal. In fact, I probably tend to be unfair to him. But, speaking purely personally (since I have nothing to do with this site), I like to see a variety of opinion, the more the merrier.

I think it’s important to see posts with which you disagree. It gives you something to think about, and something to react to, as well. So if you enjoy posting, you should continue, because people will get something out of your thoughtful posts, and not just Nadal supporters.

Whilst on this subject, I like reading “freaky” posts, too, not that yours are like that. I mean, posts from people who clearly are not that used to writing. I think it takes courage for them to express themselves in public, they must feel quite naked in a way, especially since there are so many literate posters here.So they don’t visit often.

I think that’s a great shame. Styles of writing which are not literate are often of great interest, especially since they usually cannot be imitated. And it’s just good to hear from all sorts. It’s rather wonderful to think that I can read a post from somebody with whom I have nothing in common – but we both like Monfils. Ah, so we DO have something in common!


Von Says:

Mindy:

I’ve read your post and it very much saddens me to see you feel this way. I can assure you that no one wants for you to leave, especially me. If you can back-track, I did welcome you here, and encouraged you to post, which in itself speaks volumes, because I didn’t have to become involved in your discussions, however, I shared at the time, and still do, a great amount of empathy with you and your frustrations with respect to the unkind remarks and slurs hurled at your player by some, especially since I have had to deal with that on a daily basis myself, and my attackers have now become a select group. I’ll admit that there are cliques, and then there are those who are saints, but that’s the world we live in, isn’t it?

As you know, I’m not a Nadal fan, but there are some qualities of his that I like and admire immensely, e.g., his tenacity and his never say die attitude. I’ve also come to understand his mind-set with regard to his PC correct statements and in some respects I agree with him, because sometimes less is better with the media. Hence, my welcome to you at the time was indeed very genuine and it still is, because I like variety and grow tired about the one-sided state of this forum with respect to some players and their fans. I also felt that Nadal fans had disappeared and it was refreshing to see that there was one poster, who cared enough about Nadal to stick her neck out to support him during a period where many seemed to have forgotten that he’s still a force in tennis. To reiterate, I admire your spunk and loyalty to your player and I’d like to see you here posting more, but I’ll address that in more detail later.

Mindy, believe me, as a Roddick fan, and one who is the only vocal one who speaks up on his behalf, which places me in the limelight (even though it’s so vastly contrary to my personality — I like to take a backseat) I’ve virtually been posting in a mine-field, which you have also referred to in one of your posts, and it has been very unpleasant for me most of the time, and a rocky road, due to the fact that I’m mislabeled and given names that I don’t deserve. Coupled with that, profiles of my personality have been made up by those who don’t like me and my opinions, which are a far cry from the person that I am, and every month or so I’m given an evaluation, by one who has picked on me from the very inception of my posting. I’ll give you an example.

There’s one poster here who has taken it upon himself to police my every word and is my self-appointed judge and jury. I’m of the opinion that he’s not too tightly wound, has severe personality problems and uses this and other forums to vent his pent-up emotions which is somewhat of a catharsis for him. I’ve been demonized by this man (a Federer fan) in the worst way, and I’ve had so many evaluations that I’ve lost track of the count, which I call my ‘report card’. Each time my evaluation is done the same stuff from day one to the present has been chronicled, embellished, and rehashed ad nauseam. At the beginning, no one defended me, and due to the other posters’ hate for Roddick they sided with my attacker, and I was made to look like the bad person, not my attacker; he is regaled and supported as a hero. Additionally, as time went by, I found those who I thought had shared a blogging rapport with me, would ignore me and my posts, and began sucking up to my attacker (which they still do) even more when the attacks happened, which empowered him and made me feel as an outcast. However, that attitude and ganging up toughened me, and I began retaliating and also began distancing myself from the others to the point that I just didn’t care anymore who didn’t like and/or cared to associate with me. Even though I’m one who loves camaraderie among groups, it was a necessary action on my behalf. The worst part of it all, my crafty attacker, after his many attacks would then announce he’s leaving the site because of me (he’s subsequently left and returned umpteen times) and I’ve been blamed for his leaving by a few. However, I’ve subsequently realized that this is his MO. I think he becomes bored very quickly because he feeds and thrives on that kind of scenario, and after his attacks on me, which encompasses about 8 lengthy chronologies of my personality profile in each episode, his work is done, mission accomplished, and it’s time to move on to a more lucrative ground where he can probably do the same thing to another unfortunate poster. I should point out that this poster has in the past, ridiculed Roddick ad nauseam, along with others, but unfortunately he has selective memory and only sees my criticisms/opinions as out of line.

Presently, there are a few who have labeled me as ‘sour grapes’ because I dared to voice my opinion on the demeanour of some players, and this goes back to Federer’s win at Wimby and the many attacks on Sampras, which I defended, since he’s been my long time fave. The ‘sour grapes’ talk has been perpetuated by a couple, and it began again last evening because I’ve had the unmitigated gall to express my dislike for Isner’s stalling tactics on court, and his disrespect for Roddick. Bearing in mind that I’ve stated such prior to his match vs. Roddick, but because roddick lost and I mentioned Isner’s time delays tactics, which the commentators also mentioned, I’m again being labeled as ‘sour grapes’. However, those same critics are lambasting Safina in the worst way, but I suppose they are entitled, have freedom of speech, and I don’t. So in essence, Mindy, nothing on these threads is fair, and regardless of who your player is, you will see statements that are unkind, and your response even though it’s warranted, will be attacked. Anyway, it’s something you’ll have to learn to live with if blogging about tennis is what you enjoy. In other words, simply put, you’ll have to take the good with the bad, and the good outweighs the bad most of the time.

I’m one who likes to read a different spin on things, and it’s the reason I thought at the time, and still do, that your presence and input here was very beneficial as to Nadal, and nothing has changed in that respect. I’m happy that Nadal has a voice in the form of Mindy, who, from my observations, is a very intelligent and passionate poster; In some ways your passion reminds me of myself. Yes, there are disagreements, (there’s also competition for popularity, congeniality, intelligence, and poetic, LOL), but show me a forum where there isn’t a disagreement even among the fans who post on the specific players’ websites, where all should be in one accord.

I think you should continue to post, but if I might add, I think you are placing too much emphasis on some posters’ remarks on Nadal’s court decorum. I don’t know why you were offended by Veno’s remarks as they were just his observations. jane made the statement about kicking down Nadal’s bottles, but I think she said that jesting, and it was part of hers and Veno’s discussion on Nadal’s court decorum. Therefore, in gist, I think you are taking stuff out of context and are getting worked up over opinions that have been talked about ad nauseam and ad infinitum here on these and other forums and in the grand scheme of things it’s not worth it to become so angry over that kind of stuff. after all, everyone is entitled to their opinions, isn’t it?

Mindy, I’d like to see you continue to post, because as I’ve stated, Nadal needs a voice here and I think you’re a very effective one. However, some caution on your part could, and should be your motto going forward. I’m sure if you were to take that path, you’ll discover that there are some genuinely nice people here. I’ve given you an insight of what I’ve had to deal with from just one poster, just to let you see how lonely and painful it has been for me posting on this site. As a matter of fact, after my report card on the morning of the FO, I had decided that I would stop blogging after Wimby, but I hung around, and then I got another evaluation during Wimby, but Veno appeared, which has made my blogging more bearable. However, after Roddick’s loss last evening, I’m again seriously thinking that I should stop blogging on tennis altogether, which in itself is very time consuming because I’m the type when I do something I go all out and it’s full dedication. So you see Mindy, I too am the odd person here and it’s the reason I can identify with your frustration. However, my problem is different from yours. You back a player who’s still in his prime, and I, on the other hand, back a player who’s probably going to be around for maybe 3 or 4 more years tops, but will be declining while yours will be peaking, so we are poles apart in that respect. I’ll have disappointments, while you’ll have celebrations

Anyway Mindy, I’ve written far more than I should have and will probably be demonized again, but what the heck, if it will make you understand and continue to post, it will be worth the effort. So what’s it going to be Mindy, are you going to stick around and be the voice who speaks for Nadal, or you’ll just depart and leave Rafa without a voice on these threads — I for one would like to see you around here more often. However, the ball’s in your court …..


jane Says:

Mindy – I will second grendel and Von’s comments and say that you should keep on posting; I for one like reading your posts, and you post with a lot of passion on topics that you deem relevant and/or irrelevant, offensive or not. Sometimes we agree; sometimes not. And it’s absolutely true that some of Rafa’s regular and devoted fans – like zola or Ezzora or even rose – don’t post a lot lately, so it’s nice to have a dedicated Rafa fan around to stick up for him! He’s a great player who deserves tons of support! Do stick around if you feel it a worthwhile endeavor. You’re more than welcome!!


Mindy Says:

Dearest Von,

I did venture back here after a few days off. I am glad that I did, because I had the chance to read your thoughtful reply. I would like to offer my sympathy for Roddick’s loss so early in the tournament. I did not see the match, only highlights after the fact. I expected Roddick to be a real contender here. I do realize that you are a lone voice here when it comes to defending your guy. As I said, I read more than I post. I have been so pleased to see Roddick’s resurgence this year. I waited for so long, hoping he could find a way to be competitive once more. I have no dislike for him, it’s just that Rafa has won my heart.

I have also read some of the vitriolic attacks directed at you. I do not envy you at times. It has gotten quite personal. But you have managed to handle it well. I applaud you for that. You have a point of view and express it well. You stick to your guns and don’t back down.

I am not a quitter by nature. However, I can get discouraged when I feel as though I am trying to fight against a towering wave. That is how I have felt here at times. I can see how Veno’s comments may not have been as offensive as I originally thought they were. Usually I can brush things like that off, but maybe I have been somewhat sensitive when it comes to Rafa. I am concerned because of all the adversity he has faced in his life in recent months. I want only good things for him. I knew this road back from his latest tendinitis injury would not be an easy one. That is proving to be all too true. It was hard for me to see Rafa actually call for the trainer in his match with Almagro. I know that this doesn’t happen with Rafa. I found myself asking – what more does this young man have to endure? It was hard for me to watch.

The other issue I have is Sean Randall’s attitude towards Rafa. He is certainly entitled to feel what he feels, but it doesn’t make me happy to read it. He is always ready to jump on Rafa at the least sign of weakness. Just reading his latest prediction for Rafa’s match against “HIS man Monfils”, made me want to scream. First Sean was questioning Rafa’s knees, now he has decided that the abdomen injury will be his undoing. I will not give up on Rafa. I will never write him off. He is such a fighter. That is one reason why I defend him so passionately, because he gives his all when he plays. Nothing would make me happier than to see him beat Monfils and make Sean Randall wrong. We will just have to wait and see.

Thank you very much for you kind words. It has given me food for thought. I haven’t decided what I am going to do. I have to think about it. But one thing I know, and that is my respect for you is of the highest order. Some may attack you in an unseemly way, but I will never be one of them.

To grendel,

Thanks so much for your reply. I can see that there are a number of wonderful people here who have the kind of passion that I have for the sport of tennis. It reminds me why I decided to post here in the first place, even though as a Rafa fan I am in the minority.

To jane,

You are one of the special people here who always manage to be gracious and intelligent in your comments. Thank you for your thoughts. It’s a pleasure to chat with people of your calibre.

I will have to see where I’m at in a day or so. Things are looking tougher for Rafa with this latest injury and it has made me feel even more pain. I hate to see this young man who has captured my heart, have to keep fighting obstacles and hurdles. It is his fierce will to win that inspires me so much. Whatever is meant to be will be. I know Rafa will do his very best. I will be cheering him on with all my heart tomorrow night.

Thank you all again for taking the time to write such lovely comments.


Von Says:

Mindy: Thanks for the lovely response and your sympathy for Roddick’s loss. I think Andy came out flat-footed and let Isner dictate play. It’s now water under the bridge so no need agonizing over it — there will be other USOs, I hope. I’m looking forward to seeing you around at least until the end of the USO. And, hopefully, Rafa will be in the final. Catch ya later.

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