Oudin the Russian Killer; American Men Out at US Open
by Jeremy Davis | September 7th, 2009, 11:48 pm
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Americans were the big story on Monday at the US Open. The men were a bust because John Isner, the last American male in the draw, lost, making for no Americans in the quarterfinals for the first time EVER. The women were the opposite as unseeded Melanie Oudin provided yet another seeded upset, and Serena Williams still remains alive.


Oudin beat No. 13 seed Nadia Petrova 1-6, 7-6(2), 6-3. She’s an American version of Justine Henin. No “big weapons” but can pull the trigger and hit winners when need be. At only 17 years old, she’s all upside and will only get better. Next she’ll meet No. 9 seed Caroline Wozniacki who upset No. 6 Svetlana Kuznetsova 7-6 in the third set. That was a break for Oudin. Now she plays someone who can’t power her off the court.

In other weak matches in the same weak half of the draw Kateryna Bondarenko somehow beat Gisela Dulko 6-0, 6-0 and Yanina Wickmayer outlasted Petra Kvitova 4-6, 6-4, 7-5.

Isner lost to Fernando Verdasco in four sets. Either Isner isn’t over the mono like he says he is, or he needs to get in shape. Dead tired by the fourth round isn’t going to win Slams. Look at Oudin, she was 15 lbs. overweight earlier in the year before she got serious and now looks like a fitness commercial. She was strong while Petrova wilted.

This is the first time in 128 years of the US Open or U.S. National Championships as it used to be called that no American reached the quarterfinals.

World No. 1 Roger Federer set up a mouthwatering quarterfinal against Robin Soderling by beating Tommy Robredo in straight sets. If Soderling has the right attitude and brings the firepower and Fed has one of his off days this could be trouble.

Verdasco will next play Novak Djokovic after the Serb beat down The Worm Radek Stepanek in straight sets.

All the American men are gone, but all the RUSSIAN WOMEN are gone too. Who would have picked that? Oudin put out most of them herself! Two of the women’s quarterfinals will be played Tuesday: unseeded Kim Clijsters the favorite against No. 18 seed Na Li of China and No. 2 Serena Williams a favorite over No. 10 Flavia Pennetta (who owns her sister Venus lately).

Tuesday the men finish up the fourth round with four matches, all interesting: No. 16 Marin Cilic vs. No. 2 Andy Murray, No. 13 Gael Monfils vs. No. 3 Rafael Nadal, No. 6 Juan Martin Del Potro vs. No. 24 former top dog Juan Carlos Ferrero, and No. 7 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga vs. No. 11 Fernando Gonzalez.


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352 Comments for Oudin the Russian Killer; American Men Out at US Open

zexxy Says:

Did you guys see Novak vs McEnroe on Ashe tonight?
Novak is really, really good for tennis.


steve Says:

Oudin is not the American Henin. She’s the American version of Lleyton Hewitt, complete with ball cap, loud “C’mon!”, and never-say-die attitude, but in the body of a bubbly ponytailed blonde American teen who says “Omigosh” a lot.

Henin had great weapons on both forehand and backhand. Oudin has a more penetrating forehand than you might expect, but it isn’t a killing shot. Henin was an attacking player; Oudin is a grinder.

I’ll say one thing for her: she is exposing the mental weaknesses and lack of variety of the Russian baseliners, and that in itself is worth the price of admission. Still, I don’t think she has a chance against Serena.


vared Says:

Woz and Oudin..interesting.


i am it Says:

this passage from article needs rectification: “This is the first time in 128 years of the US Open or U.S. National Championships as it used to be called that no American reached the semifinals.”

It is not “semifinal” but quarter final.


steve Says:

It’ll be like the Nadal-Simon match at Madrid last year. Long, long, long, LONG rallies where both athletes keep the ball in play with low-risk, high-margin shots, until one of them realizes she has to actually take a chance and go for a winning shot if she wants to win the point. Neither girl has an overwhelming weapon, so it will be amusing to see them try to go for it.

Not my preferred style of tennis, but interesting because both are blonde and bubbly teens who have something to prove to the world. One is your typical freckled, ponytailed hyper-sparkly American girl, the other an elegant Dane who wears Stella McCartney. Striking contrast.


junaid Says:

Jeremy wrote the quarterfinal.. Please read the article again. Thanks


Rick Says:

I hate rerun, like his two recent victories at the slams. You can’t believe his luck. Fed plays the same guys over and over in his slam draws. At Wimbledon and Roland Garros. He was basically playing Haas and Soderling, and those who he haunts for the rest of their careers. Soderling would gets beaten for sure. But with the way Fed Allstop had been playing. Mister Allstop would probably beats him in four. Instead of dominate like he did in the previous two slams. If he ever runs into the young lions, he would be in serious troubles.


Rick Says:

I like Oudin, but Serena should be able to would takes her out, if they play.


Rick Says:

Hey Steve! Maria Kirlenko wears Stella McCartney, too! I think Caroline Wozniacki/Oudin match would be a good one. But I think Wozniacki has better chance. And what happened to Nicole Vaidisova?


steve Says:

Rick: Kirilenko was dropped by Stella McCartney in favor of Wozniacki. I guess she wasn’t winning enough matches:

http://wtawomenstennis.co.cc/2994/adidas-by-stella-mccartney-signs-caroline-wozniacki-no-more-maria-kirilenko/

Wozniacki has the pressure of being expected to do well, and Oudin is the underdog and has rabid crowd support. It’ll be a tight match.

Vaidisova has dropped off the face of the Earth as far as tennis is concerned. Not sure if she’ll ever be back.


TD (Tam) Says:

Oudin has made a believer out of me. She is the reason I have been watching the women’s game this year at the Open. I am so impressed with her but I don’t think she will get past Clijsters or Williams. Regardless, it has been a fairy tale run and a joy to watch!

Mens tennis has become so utterly boring and predictable, with Federer’s cakewalk draw he’s a shoe in to win again–YAWN.


TomA Says:

Fed vs. Soderling is NOT mouthwatering. Soderling has won 1 set out of the 26 sets they’ve played in their 11 encounters. Federer will make him look ordinary, just as he did in the French Open final.

The most mouthwatering is Gonzo vs. Tsonga !!! followed by Nadal vs. Monfils !


Cindy_Brady Says:

I agree with you TomA,

Some people in another thread were actually predicting a Robredo upset of Federer yesterday. LOL. With absolutely no reason to base it on.

Same thing will happen to Soderling. Maybe a tiebreaker or a tight set but Fed will cruise in this one. Soderling’s game does not bother him.

Gonzo/Tsonga should be fire works AND Nadal/Monfils should have much drama and shot making.


Colin Says:

With both Monfils and Tsonga, it depends on their mental state on the day. If Monfils is up for it, he could beat Rafa, assuming the Spaniard is as unfit as he seems. On BBC Radio, Jeff Tourango indicated he doesn’t believe Rafa’s abdominal problem is real, but I reckon it is. I think the knees have made him alter his service just slightly, throwing extra strain on the abdomen.
Elsewhere, I’ll be disappointed if Murray loses a set against Cilic.


been there, done that Says:

In agreement with both Cindy_Brady & Colin above. Gonzalez-Tsonga should be fireworks thru & thru….even the Monfils match, he’s gonna want to make the most of centre-court atmosphere, so he’s gonna want to be up for up a good performance, & not just acrobatics wise(hopefully!)

Enjoy the matches everyone!


margot Says:

jane :Thanx 4 good wishes on other thread. Think Andy M is on at about 8.30 Uk time so I should be able to watch/listen at some point. However, have got folks staying at mo who aren’t tennis nuts so…
agree with above posters about interesting matches tonight. Reckon Monfils could take out Rafa, but didn’t jane say Monfils is injured too? Can’t call other one, Tsonga is so inconsistent. Soderling has had easy ride so far and Fed will murder him, he just loves big hitters.
Colin: yes, I too will be disappointed if Andy M loses a set. He needs to conserve all his energy for the rest of the tournament. Of course he could go to sleep for a set or two couldn’t he….?


Eric Says:

You know, everyone is always talking about how easy Federer’s draw is, but I’m not seeing how it’s any easier than Murray’s (just for example). Up to the semis, I mean. It seems like the only thing that makes it “easy” is having Nadal on the other side, but I’m not sure Federer would rather face Djoko than Rafa in the semis right now.

Cilic is probably more dangerous to Murray than Robredo was for Fed, and it’s true that Murray’s HALF is stronger (not counting Fed or Murray themselves) overall, but in the first three rounds I would say Federer faced opponents as good or better than Murray’s. Up to the semis they have both had “easy” draws.

This canard about how easy Fed had it seems to be one of those things that people have just picked up and repeated without considering whether it’s really true or not.

Anyway, I imagine Murray will make pretty quick work of Cilic and I expect DelPo to triumph but the other two matches are a bit more open… Nadal’s injuries are a question mark and Monfils is a very worthy opponent. I’ll pick Nadal in 3 sets (if injuries are no problem) or 5 (if they are) but it will likely be close either way.

The quarterfinal matches themselves are probably going to be pretty straightforward. Federer, Djoko with easy wins; Murray without too much trouble over JDMP…only the Tsonga/Monfils/Nadal/Gonzalez one is much of a mystery. (Of course anything can happen at this level! A bad start can spell doom for anyone.)


Shaky Says:

Basically unless you put a few gritty counterpuncher types in his draw (Hewitt types, or Nadal/Murray themselves), nobody is ever going to say Federer has a tough draw. I mean outside Hewitt, can we even think of anyone outside the top 12 that would be difficult for Fed to handle?

Look at his current matchup with Soderling, who has a power game that could match up well with probably every other one of the top guys, but he’s probably going to beat in 3 close sets. I like Soderling’s style a lot, since I love attacking tennis and hate the pushers, but Roger’s clearly got this guy’s number. It’s too bad he’s not in Nadal or Murray’s draw.

Basically all this talk about draw strength says more about Federer himself than it does about anything else. Novak looks good though, I’d like to see that happen.

BTW I just read we had 18 american men in the draw this year? I can only name 8 without looking at it… is 18 for real?


Shaky Says:

Roddick, Blake, Isner, Querrey, Dent, Ginepri, Witten, Levine. That’s all I got.


Shaky Says:

I missed Britton, Young, Kim (can’t believe I missed this one), Yani, Kendrick, Buchanan, Odesnik, Ram (should have gotten him), Sweeting… and one more I can’t spot.

Jesus that’s a lot of qualies/wild cards.


Eric Says:

Shaky: Exactly… any draw that doesn’t include one of the top 4-6 players is “easy” for Federer, but the whole point of a tournament is that the top ranked players don’t meet until near the end. All this talk is just silly. (He could be facing tougher opponents in these middle rounds, like Monfils or Tsonga, but come on, it’s not that big of a deal.)

Novak looks great and I think he’ll be a real problem for Federer in the semi unless Roger is playing at his very best.

And yeah, there were 18 (I just counted) but only six of them made it to the third round (which means they were above average…interesting) and just Isner got to the fourth (as you know).


Shaky Says:

Well Eric… the fact that he got Davydenko as his “high seed” quarterfinal potentially is the big problem. Of the top 8 (none of whom can meet before the quarters, by design), Davydenko is a clear cut below the rest. You stick Tsonga or Del Potro in his quarter (or especially Roddick) and it “looks” more even because JMDP has taken him to 5 on a surface that sucks for JMDP, and Roddick just lost by the narrowest margin at wimbledon.

While the “draw is a conspiracy” people don’t have a good argument, I do think the scheduling harpies have a point. Fed’s playing his matches first, playing all of them on Ashe (I think) and almost certainly will have the first semi on saturday if he makes it there.

The first two are a ratings issue so they favor Federer for dollars reasons, which you can’t argue with: people like him, he draws in more casual fans, etc.. But what about that last one? At the US Open typically that means 4 hours of additional rest (last year where it meant an extra 24 hours was exceptional, I hope that doesn’t happen again). Then again, one of the two guys in the final is going to inevitably have that advantage, and all being equal it should go to the 1 seed. You can’t really argue with that.

Shrug. Basically I think it’s much ado about nothing. The guy is the 1 seed, the 1 seed gets easier draws, and he also happens to embarrass 95% of the players on the tour. There’s no way to make this 100% “fair” unless you guarantee he gets nadal on his half which would be stupid.


Shaky Says:

that should have said “You might think the scheduling harpies have a point,” not that I do.

Because I don’t. Because those people are obtuse.

BTW I hear they announced the Australian Open draw and they stuck Daniela Hantuchova in Federer’s quarter.


Dan Martin Says:

Shaky,

If the #1 seed gets the worst player in the top 8 then he earned that. That is how it works in every sport other than tennis where #1 could meat anyone ranked 5-8 in the quarters if seeds hold. Why should #4 get to play #8 in the quarters? That rewards a player for not being ranked higher and that is counter-intuitive to sports.


Dan Martin Says:

Shaky,

I was in a rush, but I agree with you. As for scheduling, I think Federer played the second semi in 04, 05, and 07 and the first semi in 06 (Roddick to get afternoon ratings) and 08. The first semi is a plus in terms of getting some more time to rest, hydrate etc., but a player can win the final playing the second semi. I am sure Agassi wishes his 01 quarter vs. Sampras was a day match and that Sampras got the second semi in 02 but Hewitt vs. Agassi was the featured semi. Agassi got the early semi in 05 when he requested it from the USTA. He also got the early semi in 03 when he lost to JCF who lost to Roddick who went 5 sets in the later semi.


PietjeP Says:

Shaky;
It must be bad to live with so much frustration and anger about Fed’s achievements this summer.

I sence throughout your posts anger and bitterness. Maybe post something that actually cuts it, instead of conspiracy / frustration posts!

The whole ITF, ATP and grand slam organisers are doing everything they can to favor Fed. Maybe Fed is allowed to use doping too? With a big hush hush from the ATP?


Veno Says:

Hey Margot…I know it’s late but congrats on Murray’s 3rd round win. He looked sharp as a knife and it didn’t cost him a lot of energy. He showed why S&V unfortunately has no place in the top of today’s game anymore.

In a Swiss interview Fed talked about him dreaming to win Wibledon on S&V one day, but that it’s so hard to try it because today’s return game is so much better and easier(string technology and increased fitness/power)

I for sure would like to see him S&V to a 7th title, but I doubt he will try…

Good luck for Andy tonight, although I agree with most that he won’t face too much from Cilic. Maybe on;y if Cilic is serving out of his skin and Andy has some lapses like in his second round…


Voicemale1 Says:

Federer doesn’t have many equals to trouble him. Soderling won’t pose much of a problem to Federer at all. The Swede basically stands at the back and tries to blast power off his forehand, and his backhand is steady, but still defensive. Federer will work him over just like Robredo – straight sets and go home. The players who’ve given Federer the most trouble historically are the ones who can manage either of these two things: create timing issues for him, or come from a relentless attack position on the backhand side to get Federer out of the Middle of the Court for long stretches of time from both directions. Nalbandian and Murray have great success with the latter; Nadal’s Lefty Reverse Forehand spins off the court with different trajectories into Federer’s Backhand – which screws up his timing – and he ends up eventually missing the Contact Point, thereby shanking it. If Federer meets Djokovic in a Semi Final, the match could well turn on how much Offense Djokovic can execute on the backhand consistently. To the extent Djokovic has beaten Federer, it’s been the Djokovic Backhand that’s held up and did the work for him.

Tsonga-Gonzo is a match of who will hold it together mentally long enough to win it. Probably a lot of moments to be seen here of Tsonga’s moping and Gonzo’s raging. Murray will have little to no trouble with Cilic. But I do get the feeling the Battle Of The Juans could be a little tighter than just JMDP’s Serve Ruling the day. Mosquito might be able to get back a few more balls the JMDP’s had to face so far, and he’ll have to play the extra shot again and again.

Given both of them are dealing with physical maladies, Nadal/Monfils is a pick ‘em really. When both are healthy it’s Nadal’s match to lose, and this one might sill be. Monfils seems to have too much of the Junior Mentality still in him with all the grandstanding/showboating he does, celebrating after every shot he hits that impresses him. It’s just tough to keep that up to win 3 Sets against better players. Nadal’s maturity as a player and his consistency is much better suited to Best of 5 than the spectacular but inconsistent shot-making of a guy like Monfils. The First Set will be crucial, and if Nadal can manage to win that one, I don’t like Gael’s chances to have to take 3 Sets at the back end of a match against a guy like Nadal.


Veno Says:

And Jane, congrats on Novak’s performance.
He’s looking determined, focussed and more importantly having fun!
I think that’s detrimental to his success. He need a stage where he can perform for an audience and I saw him on Youtube and that was great!

Agree with Cindy and the others about Fed-Sod and Novak-Hotsauce.
Fed and Novak to get through. Fed in a similar scoreline to Wimby and Novak in 4.

Same for DelPo taking on Juan Carlos…straights for JMDP

The fireworks hopefully coming from Tsonga/Gonzo/LaMonf/Rafa
Hope Rafa is fine and see some delicious shot making….


Colin Says:

The US Open live scoreboard has, I think, got the name of Kim’s opponent wrong. They have it as N.Li, but Na is her family name and Li her “Christian name”. Any Chinese among you who can confirm or deny that?


Veno Says:

Always gets mixed up as the Chinese put the family name first and the prename second…


Veno Says:

Darn, my cutie is also out the doubles now…snif snif


i am it Says:

my no. 1 fav should steamroll mosquito so he can save energy for the next big match.


i am it Says:

keep in mind mosquito leads 2-0 in h2h but that was in 2006. it may not be in straight as much as i’d like it.


jane Says:

Veno – on quick break and just saw your post. Thanks, you’re kind. Looking forward to maybe catching most of Rafa tonight. Do you think Novak’s having fun is “detrimental” to his success or actually helpful as it loosens him up?

Agree with all who said Fed looks to be the man to beat here, though a few others are looking sharp too – jmdp, tsonga, murray, novak if he plays like last night, hvnt seen monfils so don’t know, and worried about nadal’s injury so not sure till i see him tonight. but almost nobody fights like him!


Veno Says:

You’re welcome Jane.

I think it’s both for Novak. He’s a performer and having fun out there playing well, does loosen him up.

In the other thread you have a young prince in “been there, done that” coming to your defence about the pessimism. I kinda like that.

You know I luv ya hon and you know I’ll always tell it straight :)

What I have seen from LaMonf so far….
He can be dangerous to anybody. Hope his wrists and knee hold.

If LaMonf’s serve is on Rafa will have trouble breaking him and so has to serve really well too, which after rnd 1 he hasn’t really been doing…


i am it Says:

dePo has not figured out how to break the mosquito. The mosquito though has done enough homework to hold. we could have a couple of tiebreakers.


Von Says:

Veno: Hello, mon ami, I just posted on the other thread on pessimism and then after I submitted your comments I saw you wrote one also. Take a look and let me know what you think.


Shaky Says:

PietJeP– “I sence throughout your posts anger and bitterness. Maybe post something that actually cuts it, instead of conspiracy / frustration posts!”

… you’re kidding right?

Did you actually read any of my posts, or did you just see the word “conspiracy” and “federer” in the same paragraph and cut/paste an angry “you’re a hater” response?

Let me make it more plain for you since you’re too red in the face and seething to get my point: anyone complaining about the draw is really has nothing to complain about.

Apparently Eric and Dan Martin share my view that the bellyaching about draws is just hooey and apple sauce.

If you have so much trouble with understanding what I post, don’t respond. Thanks for foaming at the mouth about it though.

Here’s to hoping it’s a language barrier.


Veno Says:

Hey Vonnie, mon amie! Will do


i am it Says:

finally my fav figures out the cicada.


huh Says:


zexxy Says:
Did you guys see Novak vs McEnroe on Ashe tonight?
Novak is really, really good for tennis.”

Completely agree. B.t.w. Oudin’s impressive gal.


Veno Says:

omg, Murray already c’mon-ing at 1-1 15-15 when Maran hits an UE….I wish he wouldn’t do that….
sheesh


huh Says:

Rick is a sick anti-Fed.


Veno Says:

B.t.w. Oudin is Fed dad’s new favourite. He was smiling ear to ear watching her play.

And Fed also had some truly nice words to say about Oudin.

And I agree….Novak is great for tennis. He’s really growing on me. See J-Mac’s last FH cross court volley coming totally cold out of the booth?


Veno Says:

@huh, Rick is our true tennis-x blog comedian(no offence Rick)


huh Says:

TD(Tam), facing Hewitt(who was playing not too bad), Robredo certainly makes Fed’s draw seem no cakewalk. And if draws were cakewalk, players would not have to play to win.


huh Says:

Veno, thanks for reminding me about Rick, ha ha! ;)


Dan Martin Says:

Murray should win, but Cilic and he ought to have several good matches over the next 6-7 years at least.


Shaky Says:

Cilic really impressed me. He thoroughly embarrassed Jessie Levine in those final 3 sets. It’s like he just suddenly decided he’d had enough, raised his serving/ground stroke level big time, and just blew him off the court.

It’s still hard to believe he’s come this far since last year, while Gulbis has been stuck in neutral, drifting downhill. So hard to figure these things in advance.


i am it Says:

when my fav dePo smacks the ball flat it may appear to the shorter guy across the net semi/quarter overhead smash. that’s brutal.


Von Says:

Voicemale!: “Monfils seems to have too much of the Junior Mentality still in him with all the grandstanding/showboating he does, celebrating after every shot he hits that impresses him.”

Quite a few of the players indulge in this and I think it’s disrespectful to their opponents, especially against one of their friends, and it makes them appear as a braggadocio. The occasional fist pump is alright, as I think it helps them to feel rewarded for a point well played, especially after a long rally they’ve won, ditto for the come-ons, especially a young player who’s trying to build up confidence, but certainly not for a player who’s been on the tour for a few years. I don’t think the two (fist-pumps and come ons) are justified IMO, after every SINGLE point. In a match of 54 winners, we see 54 fist-pumps, that’s ludicrous. And, some are not contented with only the fist pump, they come-on, fist pump and move around in a circle, as in pirouetting. LOL.


i am it Says:

if dePo wins today in straight he could very well be in the final. that’s my hope.


huh Says:

As much as I like Murray, his passive game has of late been a bit disappointing.


Veno Says:

Von: read your view and not surprisingly I totally agree with you.

especially on the “acceptance” part.

Here’s a little Veno fortune Cookie Wisdom:

Drawing from experience, if a pessimist is given a compliment, he/she will nullify its meaning and objective by putting down either what the compliment’s entailing or talking down his or her own persona.
What happens is that a positive, energetic incentive is turned into an negative lethargic silence.

Now what happens if you pay an energetic, upbeat person a compliment is a whole nother matter.


Veno Says:

Sheesh…..another annoying “come on” after another UE by Cilic. I know that everbody says it’s Andy’s way to focus and pep himself up but oh boy, does it make it hard to enjoy watching him.


i am it Says:

dePo is such marvel to watch. i am in complete awe with his calm execution. he never gives me any goosebumps.
there you go. he breaks in the 2nd.


huh Says:

Muraay has to attack as well as he is capable of if he wants to beat Rafa in the semi, otherwise it’d be Rafa beats Murray in the semi. I’m most of all rooting for Murray to win USO 09 even though I’m a Fed fan. But the way Murray is playing right now, Federer and even Rafa/Nole would most likely beat him. When would Murray finally attack I don’t know! He cactually can attack very well too, but he’s seemingly unwilling to do that. He better realise about the blunder he’s making by reverting back to his old play or it’d be late this time, may be too late. Enough of hitting the ball back to the opponent, he needs to play some brilliant tennis, attacking Federer/Nole type tennis if he wanna win US 09 , otherwise God save Murray from Fed and Nadal!!! That said, COME ON MURRAY!!!!!!!!


Von Says:

Veno: @ 2:39 pm, I agree with the negativity and compliments. I don’t know if you realize it, but negative people don’t want or will not assimilate a positive feedback, because they want the ‘attention’, which is the underlying motive/emotion for the negativity. If they were to accept the positives and work on it, then they’ll not have anything to be negative about, but they’ll lose their master weapon for gaining attention. The enabler or the one feeding them and providing the reassurance, is also at fault for encouraging that behaviour. Hope you get my drift.


Veno Says:

huh Says:

As much as I like Murray, his passive game has of late been a bit disappointing.

Amen huh…

The guy is sooooooo talented but when is he going to use his strengths to start playing some aggressive tennis!

Those constant slice bh’s and loops…oh my…


Dan Martin Says:

If Murray does face JMDP, Cilic is a good pre-JMDP opponent.


huh Says:

TomA is intelligent, good picks re. mouth-watering matches! Gonzo-Tsonga can be very interesting, still IMO if Tsonga plays true to his potential, it’d be a straight-set crushing of Gonzo by Tsonga, he’s after all much more talented than Gonzo.


Dan Martin Says:

Well things have turned from 4-5, 15-40


Von Says:

“But the way Murray is playing right now, Federer and even Rafa/Nole would most likely beat him.’

I don’t think you can compare Cilic to Stepanek, Robredo, Ferrero and Witten. So definitely, Murray will not look as good as the other fourth round top players. The real test for Djoko is Verdasco; Monfils for Nadal.


Veno Says:

I know Von, pessimists delude themselves into thinking they can only be comfortable in negativity(your defeatist side step is spot on)
Because that is their known, natural comfort zone.

You know what it is? Easy!
They crave attention from their surrounding but are afraid to step forward into the light because they’re even more afraid to get criticized so they normally choose to criticize themselves constantly.

Then again, we agree and let’s leave disussions like this when we’re BBQ-ing at your Florida house.
Moving back to tennis.

Murray has to be careful here, because his passivety might cost him the first set.


i am it Says:

dePo slaps the cicada right on his body. bang.


Veno Says:

Wow, Cilic wins the first…
Murray better step it up.


Von Says:

Veno: @ 2:55 pm — In sum, as I said, they just crave attention period. If it’s not one thing it will be the other, and even though they won’t admit it, that attention places them in the spotlight, which is what they really want. How’s that achieved? By being negative = reassurance/consolation = attention = limelight.


i am it Says:

my man dePo is merciless. his flat forehand is just incomparable. takes 2nd set easy. great.


Veno Says:

Andy is playing like it’s a clay court. It’s the US Open baby!!! Attacking tennis….going for winners!

He hit 4 winners in 12 games, of which 3 were aces…sheeshhhhhhh

Hope he plays more aggressive from now on…


Kimo Says:

How passive is Murray?!!!!

yuck.


Veno Says:

Hey Kimo, good to see you back…


Veno Says:

Our man was smooth yesterday…..


i am it Says:

wow cilic won the first. we have a match then. let me switch there since my man dePo has nothing to worry about and smoothly sailing.


Veno Says:

What’s wrong with Andy?

Margot, any idea?


JCZ Says:

Don’t want to keep dragging the whole strength of draw back into the conversation. But if Murray is to win the championship he’ll have to go through an obviously tough Cilic, then Del Potro, prob Nadal/Tsonga, and then prob Federer/Djokovic. That’s rough! Don’t think he makes it through all those.


Veno Says:

i am it, your man’s in cruise control. No surprise there. He’s doing what he has to do without spilling too much energy…


Voicemale1 Says:

I thought I heard on an earlier broadcast during the week that if Nadal goes one round further than Murray here that Rafael would get back to #2. Is that right?


Kimo Says:

Just had lunch, came back to find Cilic serving at 4-5 :)

Cilic just broke in the 2nd. Murray was trying to be agressive and screwed it up. He just can’t do it.


i am it Says:

and cilic takes early break in the 2nd? what am i seeing?


Veno Says:

at least Andy’s trying to be more aggressive, good to see


huh Says:

I can’t understand why people are talking as if beating Cilic is easy for Murray! Irrespectivde of how Murray is playing, beating Cilic is not going to be easy for him or anybody else for that matter. Don’t ignore the fact that Cilic can hit some of the fiercest shots, that too with some sort of ease and instinct. He’s by no no means an ordinary player but simply one of the toughest on tour to face. Cilc has no major weakness , he can do everything well and the best part of his game is that he’s not passive, but aggressive. He scared the ghost out of Novak last year and he may have planned to do similar favours for Murray too, who knows?! And behold! The first set has already gone to Cilic!


Veno Says:

Von, it must do you good that someone other than Andy Roddick is getting a taste of playing a giant


Kimo Says:

Guys, what we are seeing is a classic example of a cat-and-nouse player being outpowered by an opponent who can go for his shots without commiting too many UEs.

But for Andy fans, don’t worry, for Cilic is hardly the poster-child of consistency.

But I gotta hand it to him, he’s handling the match beautifully so far.


huh Says:

Murray needs some serious kicks in his butt. The guy’s already dropped his serve in the beginning of the second set! Damn hell!


Veno Says:

@huh, no denying Cilic is a great player, young, powerfull and with mucho weapons. Don’t think anyone said Murray would demolish Cilic, but I for sure thought he would beat him in straights. 6, 4 and 6 or something like that.

Cilic is punishing Murray for being below par and tentative. Power to him. He deserved the first set


Kimo Says:

I hate the biased commentators. They’re making it sound like Murray is playing badly when in fact it’s Cilic’s power game that’s making his play that way.


i am it Says:

cilic 2 breaks up? wins 6 straight games? insane.


Kimo Says:

Another break. YES!!!!


Veno Says:

If Cilic can hold it together(this is a pivotal phase now, cause the top players are best at raising their level when needed most)
Murray is going to bring it now and Marin has to stay the course…
No pessimists among the top players(wink Von)


JCZ Says:

Voicemale1: You’re right. Nadal just needs 125 more points than Murray to pass him. And a 1 round difference from now on provides at least that. So if Murray loses today and Nadal wins he goes back to #2. Also, keep in mind that Murray’s win at Madrid from last year is going to be dropped soon. Nadal got to the semis which is a 550pt difference. So, Nadal will likely get back to no 2 at some point, unless Murray goes on a tear and Nadal falters early in some of the following tournaments.


Shaky Says:

Did they mention an injury, or was that in reference to the DelPo match?

Is Murray injured? This is kind of eerie to watch.


i am it Says:

i don’t want murray to lose here. i support top 7 plus soderling and gonzu.


Kimo Says:

“Is Murray injured?”

No.


Veno Says:

True Kimo, Cilic is doing to Murray, what Soderling did to Rafa at the French.


steve Says:

Cilic and Murray are similar in that they both love crosscourt shots. If you go at them crosscourt, they will return the shot with interest at an even tighter angle.

So Murray is playing someone who likes to hit the same kind of angles he does, which makes it difficult for him.


Von Says:

Veno: @ 3;10 pm, Cilic is not as powerful as Isner or Querrey, but he’s a tougher opponent than Ferrero or Robredo, both of whom Roddick has beaten all of the time. As I said if Roddick had Djoko’s or DelPotro’s draw I’d be smiling and he’d make the QFs for sure, and it’s water under the bridge now.


i am it Says:

if murray loses today it will be the biggest upset along with roddick’s. that will be sad. hope he wakes up soon. it’s not over yet.


Von Says:

steve: Crosscourt to Murray’s FH is a problem for Murray.


Blank Says:

I agree Kimo, the commentators (especially McEnroe and Mary Carillo) are horrible. McEnroe just always pushes something he likes, and can anytime change tunes depending on how the match is headed. Mary Carillo is just a side kick. I hate it when they are in the commentary box.

The ones I like are on some Fox sports channel, they are Australian or something…not sure of their names (I always wanted to know)…here is the clip…any one know what their names are? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXeysnDFchA&feature=PlayList&p=DA08B3221D768A96&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=33


Kimo Says:

“True Kimo, Cilic is doing to Murray, what Soderling did to Rafa at the French.”

EXACTLY!


Veno Says:

@JCZ

Until the end of the year the top 3 will drop(US Open included)

Fed: 3400
Murray: 3750
Nadal: 1600

So if Rafa stays fit through the rest of the year, it’s still a long shot for Murray to be the year end number 2 or 1….
He’ll almost have to win the Open for sure….


Von Says:

If Murray loses it will be DelPotro in the finals I’m sure unless Nadal’s stomach is better and he survives Monfils, or Tsonga can take out DelPotro.


Veno Says:

Von Says:

steve: Crosscourt to Murray’s FH is a problem for Murray.

They sure already came up with some classics this Open whahahahaha

Carillo: “Let’s see if we can see some normal tennis after those two cackadoodle sets” after the 6-0, 0-6 scoreline between Kimmi and Venus


Veno Says:

Cilic painting the lines. A great player on confidence is deadly!


Von Says:

Blank: What happened? Did you forget to send Roddick some good vibes?


i am it Says:

cilic is aggressively going for winners. but murray is too passive and content to play long rallies instead of going for winners. that’s been chronic with murray for ever on big stage.


Shaky Says:

i am it — I agree it’d be a big upset, but this isn’t a mostly-unknown taking out the wimbledon runner-up. Cilic is good and not surprising anyone by being here. Isner taking out Roddick was a shot in the dark.

Cilic continues to impress.


Von Says:

OMG, what’s wrong with Murray? Andy’s playing this second set as bad as Step did last night. OUCH. I expected Murray to beat Cilic hands down.


andrea Says:

i enjoyed the post match hyjinks with mcenroe after the novak match. novak has had a couple of bad years with image so hopefully this will shake some of that stuff off.

watching murray getting blown off the court by cilic….yikes….a possible straight set drubbing? murray always gets hyped going into GS’s and then never quite makes it. i’m sure he will one day.

there is so much craziness going on on the women’s side this year. i love it! so unpredictable. i could almost not believe vera’s meltdown against flavia the other night. she’ll watch that in a few months and cringe.


i am it Says:

cilic has been just too good. one has to give it up for cilic as much as i want murray to win.


Blank Says:

Hey Von…Poor Roddick. I missed the match as got on a early start to the long weekend. Was pretty disappointed at the outcome, more so now coz Isner failed in the next round. Based purely on fitness alone, Roddick would have had a better chance against Verdasco. Too bad it didn’t work out that way. This is one of the time I wish US open did not have a tie break in the 5th set.


Von Says:

Shaky; I can’t help thinking what a waste of time Isner taking out Roddick, which was similar to Querrey at Cincy. They both lost in the next round.


Eric Says:

Wow I don’t think anyone confidently predicted Cilic to win, much less in straights, but that’s what it looks like is going to happen unless Murray steps it up an awful lot in the next set and keeps the pressure on for the rest of the match…

Cilic is playing fantastic tennis! This is great to see!


Shaky Says:

Holy cow those forehands on that point to get to deuce. I know Murray’s 2nd serve is bad, but come on, you can’t let this guy do that to you Andy.

Show something!


steve Says:

It’s how Murray plays. He keeps changing the pace on his opponents until they get frustrated and start making errors. With his huge first serve he usually has little trouble holding his own serve, since few people attack his second serve.

The same style that wins him three-set matches loses in best-of-five matches against power players who go for their shots.


been there, done that Says:

I’m unable to watch the Murray match…just have the live scores & as of now, it’s showing 7-5, 5-2 to Cilic. what is going on here???? *confused*


Von Says:

Blank: “This is one of the time I wish US open did not have a tie break in the 5th set.”

Same here. The tiebreak is what killed Roddick in the first and 5th sets. Isner just blasted aces, whereas in a game he’d have to win the points in the rallies. the roddick haters were glad Isner beat andy but Isner did a huge disservice to the US by beating Roddick as Andy would have gone further in this tournament than Isner did — what a waste. See my post @ 3:32 pm to Shaky.


Kimo Says:

see what Murray did right there? A “c’mon” on a completely unforced Cilic error.

No class.


JCZ Says:

Wow, almost through 2 sets now and Murray still only has 7 winners. Not a way to win at the Open.


i am it Says:

with that double from cilic the set is still alive.


Kimo Says:

Cilic’s service motion is beautiful. The back arch, the knee bend. Perfect.


huh Says:

Kimo, to be honest,,


Scottish Says:

Murray looks bored and uninterested. I still think he will pull it out and win this match. He has the talent to pick it up when he needs to. He’ll win in straight sets – just after losing two. :-)


JCZ Says:

Big hole for Murray now.


Blank Says:

Von – maybe I am a bit ignorant here, but what do Roddick haters have against him? I am a fan of Fed too, and I understand the reasons why people may not like him…but with Roddick, I just can’t fathom a valid reason.

In my mind, though Roddick is not as talented as Fed or Nadal, he deserves so much more than what he has accomplished so far. I hope he sticks around in this shape for longer to win Wimbledon one day (Ivanisevic and Novotna come to my mind…who came so close, but were able to win it one day).


Kimo Says:

Scottish Said:

“Murray looks bored and uninterested. I still think he will pull it out and win this match. He has the talent to pick it up when he needs to. He’ll win in straight sets – just after losing two. :-)”

Are you even watching the match?! He’s eing outplayed. Pure and simple.


Kimo Says:

huh said:

“Kimo, to be honest,,”

???


Blank Says:

I know it’s a bit premature, but I am inclined to call Murray the ‘Safina of Men’s Tennis’.

I think he can win all the Masters titles and claim the No 1 ranking next year. Of course no grand slams!


Kimo Says:

Murray broken in the third.

Come on, Marin. Take it home.


Scottish Says:

Blank – I used to be uninterested in Roddick because of a number of reasons. But really it doesn’t matter why someone does or doesn’t cheer for a player. Everyone has their reasons. It’s the changes in Roddick that have made me look at him with more interest and I have cheered for him on a number of occasions this year.

But let’s face it – for any fan to HATE a tennis player shows more about the character (or lack of) on the part of the fan rather than the player.


huh Says:

Kimo, to be honest, I have gotta say that you are right this time when you say that it’s Cilic play that is controlling the match; and Murray, upto now, seems absoluely powerless and answerless, thanks to his passivity in this match. :( I certainly think Cilic might not have overpowered him if Murray had not stayed back near the baseline and had come to the net morte often! The bad thing is that Murray’s not come to the net at all except may be once or twice in this match. This match probably is now in Cilc’s pocket, sadly……


Blank Says:

Scottish – I get your point. I am just interested in knowing why a fan of tennis would hate Roddick. It’s totally alright for someone to dislike a player, I just wanted to know the reasons…if that’s the case.


Kimo Says:

Blank, as much as I hate to admit it, Murray may win a slam or 2 if he gets a favorable draw.

But I do like the Safina analogy ;)


Blank Says:

Correction…in stead of “hate” i would like to rephrase it to “dislike”


been there, done that Says:

Del-Potro, the gentlest of giants wins! woohoooo!
Though to be fair, the straight-sets score-line doesn’t do much justice to the sweet JC. Ferrerro. Many games, on both men’s serve, went to 40-40.

Delpotro’s here with a HUGE forehand. All men, take cover! lol.


huh Says:

Now come on, stop this Murray’s injured, Rafa’s always injured talk!


jane Says:

Wish I could see the match… This is and isn’t surprising; it is, mainly because Cilic kind of went off the boil after the FO & Wimbledon (where he played pretty well at both) and didn’t do much this summer either, plus wasn’t he struggling in the earlier rounds here? Can’t recall. Anyway, it isn’t a surprise because of his obvious power and talent that he hasn’t yet harnessed consistently. But many have been picking him as a dark horse at events for a while now. Wertheim picked him to get deep at Wimbledon, but Haas beat him in that marathon. I am surprised as based on more recent form I thought Murray had the edge, but just goes to show anything can happen in tennis. I guess Murray, if he doesn’t find a way to fight back, can take this match as a “back to the drawing board” type of scenario.


Blank Says:

Kimo – I agree. He may win grand slams in future.

I will also admit I am not a big fan of Murray. I just hope Djoko (and others such as JMDP) can do well and get ahead of him soon.


Kimo Says:

huh said:

“Now come on, stop this Murray’s injured, Rafa’s always injured talk!”

Amen!!! Some poeple jusy can’t accept their favorite’s losses.


Kimo Says:

jane said:

“wasn’t he struggling in the earlier rounds here?”

yup, went two sets down to Jesse Lavine the wild card before winning it.


Scottish Says:

Blank I didn’t cheer for Roddick because of the way he talked to umpire and reporters. Some people like that personality but I didn’t care for it. Also, and this is hard to explain, I just didn’t like his mannerisms on the court. They seemed almost cartoon like. :-) But again I never hated him (or any other player). It’s a sport and they are all trying to be the best and make a name for themselves.


Kimo Says:

Marin’s serve is killing Murray :)


Blank Says:

Scottish – Thanks for sharing your point of view.


Scottish Says:

JMDP wins!! He’s looking very strong and has a great shot here at the title.


huh Says:

i am it, your Del Potro is truly a great player who can beat anybody, anyday! Just look not farther than the FO 09 where he pushed the eventual champion Federer to 5 FREAKIN sets!!!!! To tell you the truth, the very first day I saw DelPo playng, during 2008 actually, I knew that this guy’s something. Now that Roddick is out and even Murray may go out, I’d root for your guy Del Potro too. I would be very very happy if someone other than Federer/Nadal wins the USO, (thou I can hardly complain if Fed wins as I’m his fan first!;) ). By the way, it’s nice to see a Del Potro fan in you! :) Are you Argentine?


Von Says:

Blank: @3;44 pm, I have no idea why the ‘haters’ hate Roddick. I’m sure you see the posts here and how much he’s ridiculed. I’m now a target for many here because I defend him. There are a few Roddick fans who post occasionally, but most have left because of the ‘hate’ thing. There’s one guy you calls him all sorts of names and say he’s stupid, dumb, et al. Then there’s the ‘Brady’, who has nothing good to say and enjoys stirring up trouble with her name calling and harassment. and then, there are others who just hate him because he’s American.

I’m now labeled as ‘sour grapes’ for anything I say. I dislike Isner’s and any player’s unnecessary fist pumps but because I say I dislike Isner’s, I’m ‘sour grapes’ now that he beaten Roddick. On the other hand, those same posters who criticize me profusely criticize players they don’t like but they’re given a free pass and have entitlement.

I’m seriously thinking of discontinuing blogging after the USO because a Roddick fan has no business posting on these threads and I now understand why the others have left. The few who are around have adopted new faves such as Djoko, Nadal and DelPotro. I suppose everyone likes to back a winner. This is a sore topic for me, and I suppose you can understand why.


steve Says:

That five-set battle may have given Cilic confidence that he can pull it out even when he’s struggling.

I know Murray came back from two sets down against Gasquet, but that was against Gasquet. Cilic won’t fold.

I don’t know if anyone remembers the match Cilic played with Djokovic at USO last year, but Djokovic had to produce some of his best stuff and hit four, five winning shots just to win a rally.

Murray doesn’t like to do that, but he’ll have to produce it if he wants to stay in this.


Shaky Says:

I watched a lot of that Levine-Cilic match. It needs to be emphasized that Cilic was playing poorly the first two sets, but he blew Levine off the court after that. Like you won’t see a bigger turnaround in any match.

Cilic is so skinny he looks like you could tire him out pretty well if Murray can extend this. I can’t remember though: when they stopped play in his match against Haas at Wimby, did Cilic get saved by that or vice versa, or neither? I can’t remember if he looked like he was tired or not.

The guy is a twig. I wouldn’t count Murray out just yet, even as super hungover as he looks.


Kimo Says:

I love JMDP. He’s gonna win slams for sure, but maybe not until next year or the year after. His forehand is HUGE, the only one that’s better than his is Federer’s coz Fed has pace AND variety, but JMDP’s forehand is SCARY!


Scottish Says:

Hey Von, I definitely hope you stick around after the USO. For a while there I was discouraged with this blog with the anti-fed discussions. Even though I cheer for other guys it was getting old and tiresome. Now there’s been other players put down and that is getting tiring too.

But really it comes down to a few of us just ignoring those posters who constantly stir up trouble and call names. I typically just don’t respond to them. If we all did that they would get bored and leave.

So maybe we just need to address the issue and deal with it so we can make this more about real tennis discussion and less about arguments.


Blank Says:

Von – I am aware of some of the posters you mentioned, though I’ve just started participating recently…I’ve been following tennis-x for quite some time. I know even Sean Randall kind of picks on you at times (I am not a big fan of his blogs btw, I think there is hardly any thoughtful analysis there).

I just hope that you will choose to stay after USO.


Kimo Says:

Murray looks like he doesn’t even want to WIN this match. Fed and Nadal are not like that. At slams, they want to win everything. That’s why they are great champions and won many slams. Murray is small time.


Shaky Says:

Ok I retract my previous statement: he doesn’t look hungover, he looks hungover and uninterested.

Murray looks like crap. Call it like it is, Cilic is embarrassing him completely.


Von Says:

Scottish:

“Blank I didn’t cheer for Roddick because of the way he talked to umpire and reporters. Some people like that personality but I didn’t care for it. Also, and this is hard to explain, I just didn’t like his mannerisms on the court. They seemed almost cartoon like. :-)”

There are many who are worse than Roddick and curse and swear except they don’t speak English, and they all do it. However, I don’t understand what offensive way Roddick talks to reporters though? Care to explain? Are you dreaming about this? You really can’t be serious. Roddick’s the best with reporters. I suppose you like to hear those who can’t carry a sentence and hedge the questions? Anyway, to each his own, and I’m glad you explained why, so now I know. I think you just don’t like Americans considering the many quips you’ve made about America being mighty, etc. IMO, that’s great for us and too bad for the others. Again, to each his own.


huh Says:

“Shaky Says:
i am it — I agree it’d be a big upset, but this isn’t a mostly-unknown taking out the wimbledon runner-up. Cilic is good and not surprising anyone by being here. Isner taking out Roddick was a shot in the dark.

Cilic continues to impress.”

SO TRUE!


Blank Says:

Shaky – IMO, Murray is crap ;)

I am so glad he’s out. To me, watching him play just takes the interest out of the game.


i am it Says:

looks like it’s over for murray. sorry to see him lose. happy for gutsy cilic for his flawless forehand.


steve Says:

I really like Del Potro. He is like Federer and Nadal, a pure-hearted competitor. There’s something very innocent about him, like that comment he made after his 5-set match with Federer, when he said that his ambition was to be “the idol of the crowd” like Federer was on that day. He will win Grand Slams.

I am frustrated that he hasn’t yet beaten Murray on a hard court, but that day will come.


jane Says:

Von, @4:02 pm, don’t leave. We’d all miss you. You have lots of interesting things to say about other players and topics so it’s not like you only post on Roddick. In fact, you rarely do, except when he’s playing. I like the passion with which you post, as many do. So please, stick around! I empathize, and have felt like quiting a number of times too, but generally it’s fun to post about this sport we all like so much.

Not so much fun now, as am super sad other Andy just went out of the tournament… but I think both him and Andy R will come back stronger! They’ve had good grand slam seasons so far – esp. Andy R.


Scottish Says:

Von, it has nothing to do with Roddick being American. :-) I have tons of American friends. Anyway like I said I have come to cheer for Roddick and have admired his comeback to form and his success this year. Obviously as a Fed fan I was cheering for Fed at Wimbly.


Shaky Says:

Ahh why do you guys have to be so down on the guy though? He played a crappy match and is about ot get smoked by a really good player. He’ll hopefully bounce back next time.

Look I don’t like Murray when he’s passive and just waiting for the other guy to miss, the same way I don’t like Nadal doing it, don’t like Federer (when he does it, and he does plenty), or Novak, or anyone else for that matter, ESPECIALLY when they fist pump when the other guy misses — it reminds me of the matches I played when I was 11 or 12 and guys would just basically junkball me. (I hope all those guys rot in hell by the way. Absolutely no balls.)

So I hate his style as much as the next guy. But he’s not crap, and he’s proven that when he plays the way we know he can he’s a contender.

We should show some class too, as long as we’re talking about class.

PS – Von don’t go, that’s what they want. Do what I want instead!


huh Says:

WEll DONE CILIC AND SHAME ON YOU MURRAY! Murray is unlikely to shine at the big stage after this stinging USO debacle. Sheesh..! I’m very very sad… :(


Scottish Says:

Sweeeeeeeeet. Love to see that win by Cilic. He’s a good young player with lots of potential. Not a surprise really. Murray didn’t look much like he wanted this win.

So if Nadal wins does he get his #2 back or is that locked in by Murray?


Blank Says:

Shaky – I think at times, to get the argument going…and to add spice to it…the tendency is to be a bit less classy ;)

Agreed, too much of it is bad…but it’s nevertheless fun to discuss such things.


Von Says:

Blank: “I know even Sean Randall kind of picks on you at times (I am not a big fan of his blogs btw, I think there is hardly any thoughtful analysis there).”

Pure and simply put, Randall hates my guts, and I mean ‘hate’, and he allows the ugliness from the bloggers who are nasty. He’s very unfair and puts down Roddick all the time, but he loves to headline hikm to get hits. I think his dislike of me is two-fold (1) because I stand up to him and not many like that; and (2) because he hates Roddick and I’m his fan. However, his is the wrong use of power and this site needs the posters more than they need him. What would happen if all of the posters stopped posting? Wait until after the USO and you’ll see how many really post — just a handful.

“I just hope that you will choose to stay after USO.’

I’m just burnt out from all the arguing and name calling. It changes my personality here and I don’t like it, but have to argue back out of necessity. Thanks for your kindness and concern, but it’s somethikng I’ve been thinking of doing since the FO.


Veno Says:

Wow, Cilic’s break through? First time he beats a top 3 player!

For Andy’s it’s back to the drawing board. The cat and mouse game isn’t going to cut it against the hard hitting attacking powerhouses of today!

He just over powered Murray.

Dunno why, but I expected more fight from Andy. Looked to me he resided very early in accepting defeat….Could be me though. Cilic deservedly win. Didn’t steal it.

Commisserations Margot, I know Andy set his heart on winning the Open. He’ll be back though. He’s just too good to not win a slam.


Shaky Says:

huh — “Murray is unlikely to shine at the big stage after this stinging USO debacle. Sheesh..! I’m very very sad… :(”

I don’t know why you’re saying this about him. Fed put up a real goose egg of a match at RG last year, and he followed it up with a close loss at wimby and a win at Flushing. What’d he win, 4 games at RG? Isn’t that like all-time in the butt-kicking department?

These guys are pros, no one’s immune to having a really bad day on any stage. Murray’s going to wake up tomorrow as still one of the handful of guys who can beat anyone on the planet.


Veno Says:

Von!, are you going to leave me?

I will be distraught if you do, but it’s your choice of course. I for one will miss you immensely :(


Shaky Says:

And before some guy with a reading comprehension problem (ie that Pete guy earlier) reads my last post and thinks I have an axe to grind against Federer, that’s really not the case. He’s the greatest player I’ve ever seen, the best ambassador of the sport since Andre, etc. etc.

My point is these guys have let downs, let’s not turn this into MTF or something just because he fell really short this time.


Blank Says:

Von – to tell you the truth, people often find it empowering to be behind the mask called internet…they can say disdainful things that’d normally not pass well in real life…and they’ll get no penalty for that here as opposed to being shunned in real life is they exhibit such rudeness.

Don’t let it affect you. After all…all that’s going on here is just talk and talk back with no consequences at all (just some vicarious satisfaction of having an ego here that they can’t have in real life). Just stimulating to the mind..that’s all.


Von Says:

Hey guys, thanks for your concern, but I have to clarify (or else the behemoth will be attacking and demanding I leave right away) I said AFTER the USO, so I’ll definitely be around until next Monday. Watch out for the behemoth making fun of me now. LOL.


Von Says:

Blank @ 4:27 pm bang on. In psychology behind marketing proves that a face to face interview brings on lies, whereas the telephone interviews the truth is told. There’s something about eye to eye contact that’s disconcering to people and makes them lie.


Von Says:

Veno: mon ami, j’etaime bien, not right away but after the USO. I’m only thinking about it, so it’s not 100 percent a done deal. I’m tired and worn out by the behemoths and the Brady.


steve Says:

Federer has made it to 21 consecutive Grand Slam semifinals. Murray has yet to make it to two.

When Federer lost at Wimbledon, it was in the final, after nearly five hours, after leveling the match from two sets down, saving match point, 9-7 in the final set in lowering darkness as night fell. And he lost to the #2 guy in the world, who had been chasing him for two years and had faced him in the final for three consecutive years and who was playing the best tennis of his life.

That is an epic loss, and not one even remotely comparable to the world #2 going out in straight sets to the world number #13 in the fourth round of the Grand Slam he’s most heavily favored to win.

The axis of tennis world shifted when Federer lost Wimbledon. Murray’s loss today will be, at best, a footnote.

That isn’t to say he won’t win a Grand Slam, just that Federer is a poor comparison.


Von Says:

I can’t believe both Andys are out of the USO. Damn Isner!! Kimo and Brady I know ‘sour grapes’, but I don’t care what you say, damn Isner!!


Blank Says:

Way to go Von!


Veno Says:

Ah good Vonnie! Then I won’t say goodbyes any time soon!


jane Says:

Von I couldn’t cheer for Isner versus Verdasco for that reason. Have nothing against him but was still mad about the 2 point differential that kept him in and took Andy R out – 2 measley points! Meanwhile there’s a very good chance Andy R would’ve gotten to the quarters at least and likely the semis, and then who knows? These upsets definitely can be bad and good at the same time.


been there, done that Says:

SUPERB display from Cilic. Only managed to watch the last set, so can’t comment about the whole match….but ultimately, once again in a GS, for M/Andy it was mainly about getting the ball back in play instead of going for winners. Cilic was controlled aggression & more aggression & then some more.

Feel sorry for him, but Murray must now go back to the drawing boards & decide how to approach grand-slams….probably start listening to many experts who reckon he should be more aggressive in GS tournaments? But then again, if this isn’t his natural style-which he’s accustomed to since he was a teenager-then perhaps there’s nothing much he can do. I can’t really compare him to Nadal in terms of defensive style ‘coz nadal twice reached Wimby finals as a runner-up for before winning-which shows me that Nadal, for all that’s said, has had a very high level of an aggresive game from a young age, only that he’s better at defence. (Hope that makes sense!)

Maybe it’s not even the fact that Murray’s defensive, but rather passive. Having said that, I liked Murrays attitude from the little I saw (unless he knuckled himself & endless cursing in the first two sets…will watch review later on). In that last set, he was still all pumped up & i thought he would even break Cilic to give himself a chance. He lost but I give him an A for attitude. (A++ goes to Köllerer in his match against DelP. What a nutty guy-taking a bow with his hat off when he’s 2.5 sets down for hitting a winner. lol. breathe of fresh air or just crazy)

As for Cilic, I’m *surprised* he ‘s won two straight matches in straight sets, especially against M/Andy. I’ given him a best chance of maybe 5 sets. He always seems to be caught up in 4 or 5 sets battles. Wishing him all the best against DelP but it’s DelP’s for the taking. :)


Shaky Says:

Steve — the comparison was to writing people off because of a major letdown performance. MANY people felt that disaster was going to haunt him, and they even thought his loss at wimby confirmed it (a match in which if he had served a lick in the first 2 sets he should have won).

My point is writing off any of these guys is usually not right. I’ll concede that Federer had a great turnaround, but for the same reason all the believers weathered it and believed he’d turn it around given time, you shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss murray because he was so uninspired today.

Everyone has a historically bad day at some point. It wouldn’t be your “worst performance” if it didn’t suck really badly.

Murray sucked today. I like Huh, so I’m not being a jerk here. Just saying you don’t have to reach too far back to remember a great competitor getting over it, sucking it up, and going back to work the next day.


Veno Says:

DelPo and Cilic….Duel of the 6″6′ Hard hitting Gullivers. It’s going to be an intersting QF for sure. I’d give it to DelPo, but suspect a close 1.
But what do I know, I picked Murray in 3 tight sets over Marin today…


Polo Says:

Wasn’t Federer correct then about his comment on Murray’s game? What do all the anti-Federer fans have to say now? They all thought Fed was being ungracious for those comments. It turns out that it was an honest and astute assessment of Murray’s game. I do feel bad for Andy M but he is still young and his game is still developing. Hopefully, this loss will make him a better player. I have no doubts that he will have his major in the future.


Veno Says:

Little foot note Shaky: In comparing Murray and Fed, the difference is that Fed lost the battle at Wimby at a Slam count of 12, while Murray is putting more and more pressure on himself to win that 1st one.

Actually, in the early years of Fed, everybody said the same of Fed and it took him quite a long time(Unlike Nadal or Djokovic) to learn how to get through and win a Slam(he was almost 22 in ’03)

That’s why he was so emotional and cried, because all that pressure just fell from his shoulders and we all know what happened from there.

I think for Murray it will be the same. The longer it takes, the more pressure it will put him under to get that first Slam, but imo, thinking he won’t be a favourite at Ozzie twenty-ten because of his bad day at the office today is just silly.


Von Says:

jane: @ 4;42 pm; I was angry the night Isner beat Roddick because I knew he would go out in the next round and felt it was such a waste for him to push Roddick so hard for what? To lose in the next round. Isner killed the US chances of having have a player in the tourney and now the US commentators are weeping over the situation.

I felt the same way with Querrey who pushed Roddick at Cincy when Roddick was sick with his stomach. Look what happened the next day, Hewitt tore up Querrey. I don’t understand the mentality of these guys who just want a big scalp and then can’t put it to good use. I refuse to root for Querrey and Isner in the future, especially Isner with his stupid fist pumps. Call me sore loser, sour grapes, whatever, I don’t care. And those who call me the names I have to ask them one question, why are they so mad at other players when they beat their faves?


Shaky Says:

Polo– his comments were absolutely correct, it just looked ungracious coming from the source. People care what Federer says because he’s Federer. So in the interest of being a nice guy, he could have been a little more diplomatic. But he felt like being candid that day and Federer haters just chomp at the bit to hate.

You’d rather hear those comments come from some coaches or analysts, that’s all. Not a big deal, you guys need to start filtering out the stupid people. Just let it slide.

Veno — my point was about Federer and RG last year. Not really a big deal either way, I could have easily said any other athlete or team like the Lakers last year, the Yankees after they lost the first dozen games against Boston this year, or Brock Lesnar. You fall down, you pick yourself up, dust your butt off, learn from it and move on.

I should have known not to bring up Federer with the kind of Johnny Cochran defense team you fans have put up around him. I suppose it’s needed with village idiots like Rick and sportsfan around.


huh Says:

Shaky, that was my anger telling and not my wish regarding Murray. I was fully backing Murray to win US 09 coz otherwise now he’d have too much pressure on him to win a GS. He’s more than capable of winning slams but the thing is he’s very talented but has achieved absolutely nothing until now.

And his situation is not at all comparable to Fed’s situation at FO 08 coz Fed by then had won 12 slams already and that’s why that 6-1 -3 6-0 loss in the FINAL might not bother him that much as for a 12 time GS holder, such a defeat against the supposedly greatest clay courter of all time who is also 5 years younger, on his least favourite surface, at the time of sickess(you may call it an excuse, but it is my perception and belief that Fed clearly was having some fitness and form issues) is what you may call a bad day in the office and is or has been more or less regarded as such by everyone except anti-Feds. But for a 22 yr old like Murray who has never won a slam and has also not gone to the semifinals of any of this year’s slams, a loss to a player regarded as relatively easy picking for him, that too not in a final or semi of any GS, but in the R4, automatically disqualifies him from having the privilege of this loss being regarded as others as a bad day in the office. The situation of Fed and Nurray’s so different that I can’t understand why and how can they be compared.

Moreover after the three failures last year, Fed was finally able to snatch the last slam of the year, that was more than a slap on the face of his detractors. But how can we silence the critics of a slamless big-mouthed Murray who few days back was explaining as to how close he’s to Fed? After today’s match, even his body language suggested that he’s started disapproving of his own self or at least it so seemed to me.That’s my question and also concern as an ardent supporter of Murray.


Von Says:

I think Murray will have to make a conscious decision and that is that he’ll win when the time is right. The anxiety to win pronto is not helping him and is making him even more tight, hence his early loss today and possibly in the future. This anxiety is not about talent and a win at the MS level, it’s the GS that causes him the anxiety. I suppose the two Andys can now share a bottle of Vodka and cry on each other’s shoulders. So very sad ….


Polo Says:

Von,

I never get mad at other players when they beat Federer. In fact, I get mad at Federer when he loses for not playing as good as he could. I applaud who ever beats Federer because it is quite tough to beat Federer and to be able to do so is something to be acknowledged as a good accomplishment. I personally do not hate any player, I just happen to like Federer better. Maybe because I am so impressed with his tennis ability. That is why after Federer, Nadal is the guy I like next.


Von Says:

Shaky:

“I suppose it’s needed with village idiots like Rick and sportsfan around.”

LOL, Sportsfan was a big Fed fan during Wimby and was putting down Nadal big time; now the tide has turned and it’s Federer who’s being put down. LOL. I suppose vacillation is allowed by even pseudo Fed fans! LOL.


Scottish Says:

Von please don’t go after the USO. You are one of the most interesting, balanced posters on here. We’ll miss you too much.


Scottish Says:

Polo I agree 100%. I will cheer for Fed every time when he has got a chance to win. Nadal and JMDP are #2 on my cheer list. Djoko is moving up the ladder as well. Roddick has been impressing me too.

This blog has helped me a lot to appreciate the differences in players. I have enjoyed watching them grow, mature and make tennis the best it has been in a long time. It’s a good time for tennis. Let’s enjoy the ride!!


Von Says:

Polo: @ 5:05 pm, perhaps you’re different but the majority of fans are so angry that they won’t even acknowledge the other guy’s win over Fed as legit. They come up with rationalizations and excuses repeatedly. One guy stated last week that Roddick’s Miami win over Fed was due to Fed’s head being distorted as Nadal was still in there. LOL.


Veno Says:

Shaky, I agreed on your reasoning, just not on the Murray-Fed comparison from a theoretical stand point. I would have pointed it out too if it was a Nadal-Murray comparison I didn’t agree with.

Has nothing to do with the fact I feel my fave is being attacked and I have to defend him.
Not me, my friend

Am a fan of his tennis, not a Fed worshipper.
Just wanted to point that out :)


Shaky Says:

Von — yeah, it’s impossible to pin some people down really, huh? Earlier in this thread I had some clown thinking I hate roger federer (quite a turn from when you thought like 48 hours ago I was a wolf (fed fan) in sheep’s (roddick fan) clothing).

I can spot a Rafa guy like Rick a mile away, but not everyone wears their fandom/hate on their sleeve. The site should have avatars, or maybe some basic info under each poster. You know, so the duller readers can take a breath before they choose to get hyped up or ignore obvious sarcasm in a post. Just an idea to help avoid misunderstandings due to language barriers or serial lack of sense of humor.


Scottish Says:

Von, it’s ridiculous for anyone to hate and be angry at players for winning against their favs. The person in the end who wins deserves the win. One thing I like abut tennis is that it really does come down to the individual. There’s not a whole lot a player can blame for losing except himself. Fed “should” have beaten Tsonga in Montreal but he didn’t and Tsonga deserved the win.


Kimo Says:

Comparing Murray to Rafa makes no sense. While it is true that Rafa started out as a defensive baseliner, no one takes care of a short ball more agressively than Rafa. His forehand on clay is extremely agressive, on hard courts it tends to fall a bit short, but is still hard to handle.

Today Murray slices at least 50% of his ground strokes. That’s just shameful.


Polo Says:

For me, whoever wins must be the better player during that match. All these guys are very good and anybody can beat anybody on any given day. Some are very consistent and some not so much, but a win is a win and should not be devalued. If one guy loses, he deserves the loss as much as the winner deserves his win. Unless of course, if the winner clubs the loser with his racquet to win the match. But then again, that only happens in figure skating.


Kimo Says:

People, people!!!! Never compare Fed to anyone. Fed is the most talented guy to ever hold a tennis racquet. Murray is not.


Veno Says:

Imo there’s nothing wrong with a little angry venting in the disappointment of a loss by your fave.


Kimo Says:

I hope now people start to fathom how astonishing and down right unbelievable Fed’s streaks of 21 slam semis, 10 slam finals, 17 of last 18 slam finals really is.


Cindy_Brady Says:

Kimo,

I completely agree with you about Federer but “huh” would call you delusional.


Scottish Says:

Veno, sure venting is fine but vent at your fav not the other guy. I was pretty annoyed Fed blew a 5-1 lead. But I was actually impressed with Tsonga and was happy for him.


Von Says:

Shaky: Rick said he’s not a Fed or Nadal fan, so it does not make sense to me why he made that comment about Roddick’s win. I suppose he hates Roddick also, or he hates all of the plyers and just like to post hate. How sad.


Veno Says:

Kimo says: “Comparing Murray to Rafa makes no sense.”

Are you referring to my post@5.14?


been there, done that Says:

I’m listening to some BBC world news service & they go like “this is the type of tennis that Murray would have expected from Roger Feder or Rafael Nadal….”

I guess in today’s game, expect it from anyone & everyone, even Devin Britton. lol. No one is safe.


Veno Says:

Hey Scottish…

imo it’s ok the first moments after the loss. Brought on by acute emotions at the moment of disappointment, for venting purposes, but very shortly after that you should move along and not bash the player who beat your fave.

I never have, not ever, but everyone deals with loss and disappointment differently


Kimo Says:

Veno said:

“Are you referring to my post@5.14?”

No, some other post that mentioned that Murray and Rafa have similat styles in the sense that they are both defensive baseliners.

Their styles are complete opposites and Rafa is much more agressive.

Murray wins beacuase his style is annoying and frustrating to most players. That’s all. He’s the most overrated player I have ever seen.


Von Says:

Scottish: I’m not going to lie, I’m darn mad at Isner for going all out to beat Roddick. This was a GS and that win was a waste of time. If I felt Isner had a chance to win the title I would have been happy for him, but to me it was so senseless. Not only did he hinder Roddick’s chances he killed the US’ hopes to have a player go deep and that’s where my anger lies. And, don’t get me started on the stupid fist pumps after every darn point. sheesh. I can’t imagine doing that to a friend even though it’s sports — have some respect for your compadre, please.


Von Says:

Veno: “.. but very shortly after that you should move along and not bash the player who beat your fave.”

hey mon ami, are you saying I need to move on? I’m stuck. Remember, je’taime bien. LOL.

Do you remember Chris Tucker in Rush Hour 3 when he was saying j’etaime and then the girl got shot in her arm. LOL. That’s why I remembered you and our j’etaime bien, even though the meaning is different. LOL.


Veno Says:

Von, what is the guy supposed to do? Hand the match to Roddick because he has a better chance at flying the American flag? I’m sorry hun, that’s just un-American(not by you, but if Isner had done that)
It’s an individual sport.

Why wouldn’t he go all out to get as deep as he can, even if he was ousted easily by Verdasco a round further.

Is it Isner’s fault Andy isn’t able to have a shot at the title? That’s just crazy


Cindy_Brady Says:

Kimo,

Your posts are sounding more and more like mine with comments like this.

“Murray wins beacuase his style is annoying and frustrating to most players. That’s all. He’s the most overrated player I have ever seen.”

I’m becoming a big fan. We must do lunch sometime!


Veno Says:

Von says: “hey mon ami, are you saying I need to move on? I’m stuck. Remember, je’taime bien. LOL.”

That’s exactly what I’m saying my dear friend.

I luv ya too, but I’ll always give it to you straight. It’s time to put the disappointment to rest and try to enjoy the rest of the tourney.

If without Andy it is impossible for you, maybe you shouldn’t watch no more. But I know you’re too much of a tennis fan to not enjoy good tennis!

Only giving my opinion Von, you’re always aces in my book and please don’t take offence :)


Von Says:

Veno: BTW, guess what’s on tonight? Rush Hour 3. Am I lucky or what?


Kimo Says:

btw….

CONGRATS RAFA FOR REGAINING YOUR RIGHTFUL PLACE AS NO.2 :)))


Von Says:

@ 5;38 pm, Yes Kimo, I agree you’re two of a kind. WOW, what a lovely couple. LOL.


Veno Says:

Von Says:

Veno: BTW, guess what’s on tonight? Rush Hour 3. Am I lucky or what?

Good for you, am glad I saw many LOLs in your previous post… :)

Rush Hour’s da bomb!!!!!! Love Chris Tucker….

Youtube him on Def Comedy Jam Vonnie…..Hilarious!!!


Veno Says:

Ehm, Kimo, Rafa has to beat Monfils to leapfrog Andy Murray


Von Says:

Veno: @ 5;39 pm, why didn’t you just come out and say so upfront instead of hinting? Anyway, whatever.


Veno Says:

Tsonga-Gonzo…..MOUTHWATERING!!!!!!!!!

And they’re off!!! Let’s have us a match!!!!


Cindy_Brady Says:

Veno,

You used Von and Crazy in the same sentence. How appropriate.

On a more sane note.

Del Potro is quietly moving through the draw, whipping his opponents while all the attention is centered around the big 4.

Watch out for Del Potro. He looks strong and fresh.


huh Says:

Someone is inciting Kimo against me.


Kimo Says:

Von Says:
@ 5;38 pm, Yes Kimo, I agree you’re two of a kind. WOW, what a lovely couple. LOL.

I never replied o anything Cindy wrote, but since you wanna pick a fight, let’s.

You wrote:

“I’m darn mad at Isner for going all out to beat Roddick. This was a GS and that win was a waste of time. If I felt Isner had a chance to win the title I would have been happy for him, but to me it was so senseless. Not only did he hinder Roddick’s chances he killed the US’ hopes to have a player go deep and that’s where my anger lies.”

WOW. This quote really says a lot about you. So you wanted Isner to what? half-a$$ his effort? play less than he can so that Roddick can win? Everybody knew, including Isner, that Roddick was more likely to go deeper into the draw, but why should Isner hold back? I’m sure Roddick himself would like to earn a win rather than playing someone who doesn’t want to beat him.

If that’s where you anger lies, then you are simply an irrational person, and a very selfish one.


Veno Says:

I was not hinting, was talking in general…..not directed at you.

But you asked me a question refering to my general remark and I responded.

If you ask me something, you’ll get a straight answer. I just used that phrasing as responding to your question is all.

Not trying to lecture you in any way


Kimo Says:

Veno, I know, but even if Rafa is to lose today, Murray is gonna drop a lot of points come Madrid. It’s only a matter of time.


Scottish Says:

Von, are you serious about your post on Isner beating Roddick? You are beginning to make me question my judgment on your balance dear. How can you say he should have given the match to Roddick? That’s the most absurd thing I have heard.


Veno Says:

Yes Kimo, I see Rafa recapture number 2 sooner rather than later but what if Murray wins Shanghai and Rafa does worth than the SF result he got at Madrid last year….


Veno Says:

worth m/b worse


Veno Says:

You feel that this is going to be a 5 set heavyweight slugfest(Tsonga-Gonzo)


Kimo Says:

Scottish said:

“Von, are you serious about your post on Isner beating Roddick? You are beginning to make me question my judgment on your balance dear. How can you say he should have given the match to Roddick? That’s the most absurd thing I have heard.”

THANK YOU, SCOTTISH!!!


Veno Says:

Gonzo in stead of breaking his racket gives it to a woman supporter…..LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


Von Says:

Kimo: @ 5:51 pm, I wrote that specifically to bait you and your friend Brady, because I knew you’d take the bait. Look at yourself first before talking about me. You can’t stop putting Murray down, period. And, you jump at any opportunity to put me down.

“If that’s where you anger lies, then you are simply an irrational person, and a very selfish one.’

Not any more than you — delusional psycho, isn’t that what you called me, but that’s what you really are! You and the Brady should be the last to judge. Just read your nasty posts and putdowns on Murray, what do you call that, and what has he done to you? Oh selfish one. The guy just lost and you can’t refrain from putting him down not even for a minute, and the celebrations are over the top that he lost his ranking, have some class.

That post on Fed fans who can’t accept his losses is for fans like you. You picked on me when I made a reference to Isner’s fist-pumps and time wasting by calling me sour grapes. So now you’re picking on Murray. When you stop putting down Murray, then I won’t say anything more, you’re classless and can’t see it. Between Murray and Safina you show what you’re really like. Enjoy Brady’s company, as I said you’re two of a kind and deserve each other.


Cindy_Brady Says:

Now all of you are beginning to see in Von what I’ve been saying all along – but I’m viewed as the crazy one.

She is psycho obsessed with Roddick. You say anything negative about him in any way and you are branded a hater or troll.


jimbojones Says:

Isner’s effort in the second set vs. Verdasco was terrible. He did play smarter once the match was level and started moving a little more but up a set and on serve Isner just seemed to want to play 2 tiebreakers to win the match and did little in terms of movement or thinking. I am not saying he needs to play just like Ivo, but Isner needs to dictate as his defensive skills are weak and he made no attempt at dictating in the 2nd set when he was ahead.

Murray – I hardly knew ye’. Who would have guessed Murray would flame out like this? Maybe Groundskeeper Willie needs an intern, but nothing short of a win in Melbourne 2010 will redeem this effort anytime soon.


huh Says:

It is USO and not Davis Cup and the players are all professionals and playing for their earning. Isner had to go as far as he could have gone and whoever he faces by the way, he’s to beat. The earlier the exit, the lesser the earning. Thus there’s every reason for Isner to try and beat anybody including his countryman Roddick. Moreover who’d not want to beat a great player ? It’s a milestone type of thing in Isner’s life, which he’d personally enjoy very much and would be satisfied. Isner/anyone else for that matter would/sholud never hand the match over to his rival, as simple as that. It was Roddick’s job to beat Isner and if he couldn’t, so be it! That’s no reason to be angry with Isner.


Von Says:

Scottish: No, I don’t want for Isner to give roddick the match, I wanted for him to do something with the win, not go out and lose in the next round after pushing so hard to win it from roddick.

Know what Scottish, I don’t understand you at all. How could you pass judgment on anyone when you put down other players so much? Look at the way you describe Murray and put him down?
______________
Veno: I hope you enjoy what you’ve just started. I had a reason for writing that.


Von Says:

@ 6:08 pm: bravo, Veno, Kimo and Scottish. Is it any wonder why don’t want to hang around here? LOL. Thanks guys! Now we have ‘huh’ in the mix. this started as a discussion with Blank and jane on my views about that win. sheesh. As usual, the brady is in for the kill. sheeh. Enjoy all.


Von Says:

huh: Do you understand anything, or you just like to jump in and spout? I said I’m angry with Isner for beating Roddick and not putting the win to good use by going further. I wanted him to go deep because he took out Roddick and it’s the reason I won’t root for Isner in the future because he’ll just flame out. Get it!!!!.


Von Says:

Brady:

“She is psycho obsessed with Roddick. You say anything negative about him in any way and you are branded a hater or troll.”

Don’t stop, go for the jugular. Veno, Kimo, Scottish and huh will help you. Have dinner with them tonight and enjoy the chat.


Dan Martin Says:

I was interviewed again and gave a brief write up of it in the newest thread. I will post something sometime tonight! Crazy day of tennis today. Murray looked to be in such command of his shots versus Dent I thought the winner of him and JMDP stood a pretty good chance at taking the title. Wow. Wow. Wow.


Von Says:

Just in case all of you have a reading comprehension problem, i said the following:

“If I felt Isner had a chance to win the title I would have been happy for him, but to me it was so senseless. Not only did he hinder Roddick’s chances he killed the US’ hopes to have a player go deep and that’s where my anger lies.”


jimbojones Says:

I understand where Von is coming from as Isner did not back it up. He beat Haas and then defaulted after 1 set in Cincy. He beat Roddick and then played the 2nd set like a dying duck billed platypus. He may just be finding his way and might do better next time, but he was up a set and 2-2 in the second playing for a QF spot and looking like he was sea sick.


Veno Says:

Von says:

“Don’t stop, go for the jugular. Veno, Kimo, Scottish and huh will help you. Have dinner with them tonight and enjoy the chat.”

“@ 6:08 pm: bravo, Veno, Kimo and Scottish.”

“Veno: I hope you enjoy what you’ve just started. I had a reason for writing that.”

I’m not going into this Von and I will just attribute it to you being angry, so I will brush it aside.
But I don’t like your showing me no respect at all there!


huh Says:

Von, you also spout sometimes more than you should. And by the way, if you don’t want to hang around, why do you repeat it again and again and again? It’s pretty monotonous, you know. Is it coz you want attention? I don’t know, but if yes, then it’s ok though it won’t bother me. Whether you remain on this site or not, it doesn’t matter to me anyway as the world/this site would not change without you and me. God is too great to bring things to a halt for unworthy human beings like me or you. Even if we all get finished, new things and people would replace us and make the surrounding as complete as it ever was/is or would be! Don’t thing that this site depends on you or me, it all depends on the will of God.

And by the way, who’re you to jump unto me? Nobody. And don’t bother to respond if you are so much pained by any act of mine as I owe you nothing and least of all, an apology. Please don’t post anything to me!


Cindy_Brady Says:

Moving right along from crazy land.

Gonzo is making a match of this.

Go big G !!!


Cindy_Brady Says:

The title really fits today.

Dysfunctional Tennis Blogging at its Finest!!


Von Says:

“jimbojones Says:
I understand where Von is coming from as Isner did not back it up. He beat Haas and then defaulted after 1 set in Cincy. He beat Roddick and then played the 2nd set like a dying duck billed platypus. He may just be finding his way and might do better next time, but he was up a set and 2-2 in the second playing for a QF spot and looking like he was sea sick.”

Thank you. At least someone can understand my reasoning. I dislike for any highly ranked player to be beaten and then the winner goes out in the next round. I felt that way when Soderling beat Nadal, but Soderling backed up his win and made it meaningful. Isner does this a lot of time and it’s why I’m angry that he did it again. He didn’t even give much effort in his match vs. Verdasco, yet he went all out in his match vs. Roddick. Why not duplicate the effort and make somethikng of such a big win, instead he flamed out. ?Haas used to do that and I used to become so angry with him. I was angry when he beat Djoko at Wimby and thought he’d flame out. However, he made it to the SFs, and made up for that after beating Djoko.

They can all call me whatever names they want, I know what I mean and if they can’t comprehend then it’s their problem. I knew Brady and Kimo would jump out at me, but I had hoped Scottish would have comprehended some more. Par for the course I suppose.


jimbojones Says:

Haas would not have played 1 set and called in sick against Chardy in Cincy (say “Chardy in Cincy” 10 times fast). Verdasco might have beaten Roddick and Chardy might have beaten Haas but both would have done more than 6’9″ of fatigue did.


Von Says:

huh: I’m just going to say, you need to comprehend more. end of discussion.

_____________
Veno: What disrespect did I show you? Didn’t you know that when you began that discussion you’d open me to an attack, so why did you do that? I would never do that to you. Anyway, sorry for whatever disrespect I may have shown you.
_____________
Brady: You should be on cloud nine by now seeing you’re taking top billing as the yenta of Tennis.X and the ‘dysfunctional’ title is appropos to mainly YOU. Enjoy the ride until someone wises up to you, because you keep tripping up yourself at every turn lying and trying to get out of it with another like.


Cindy_Brady Says:

Von,

Give people more credit. They knew exactly what you meant. What makes you think Isner didn’t go all out against Verdasco. He won the 1st set. Verdasco just figured out a way to beat him. Something Roddick couldn’t do with his game. Why can’t you comprehend that?


huh Says:

I don’t understand why anyone would lose deliberately to a higher ranked guy just coz the higher ranked guy has better chanc to go deeper? Moreover what the hell is the need to put national consideration over individual concerns in a tournament of an individual sport? Whatever the people of the country may think, but the concern for the player would be to succeed absolutely at the individual level and he has nothing to feel guilty about keeping his own individual interests over national interests particularly in a tournament like USO.


Von Says:

jumbojones:

“Haas would not have played 1 set and called in sick against Chardy in Cincy (say “Chardy in Cincy” 10 times fast). Verdasco might have beaten Roddick and Chardy might have beaten Haas but both would have done more than 6′9″ of fatigue did.”

I support all the Americans but I don’t like Isner’s work ethics. He has very little respect for Roddick and I can’t handle his stupid fist pumps after every point, not to mention his ITOs and time wasting between points. The Americans do not engage in gamesmanship, but Isner is the exception and it’s one of the reasons and the main one that I dislike him.


jimbojones Says:

I don’t think Isner should lose on purpose, I think he needs to buy a jump rope and watch the training montages from Rocky III a few times.


huh Says:

The 7.02 pm post is my last ever regarding anything related to the Isner-Roddick discussion. I won’t post a word further if I’m really a person of some self-respect, this is my promise.


jimbojones Says:

Hugh retreat can be the better part of valor.


Cindy_Brady Says:

LOL

Von says,

“I support all the Americans but I don’t like Isner’s work ethics. He has very little respect for Roddick and I can’t handle his stupid fist pumps after every point, not to mention his ITOs and time wasting between points. The Americans do not engage in gamesmanship, but Isner is the exception and it’s one of the reasons and the main one that I dislike him.”

The only thing you can’t handle is that Isner beat your favorite Roddick. That’s all. Has nothing to do with the time in between points or the fist pumps. Has everything to do with your man losing. That’s all. Just admit it.


Von Says:

huh: Why can’t you comprehend? Did I say I wanted Isner to lose deliberately to Roddick? I said why push to win if you can’t handle it in a follow-up match? He had to employ timewasting tactics to pull out that win, why do it? Obviously, he knows his energy supply is limited, so why go for a win if he has to use those tactics? he did exactly as I expected — lose in the next round. Anyway, post as much as you want on the topic because you become fixated and remain that way for days. I’m done with this topic.
__________
Brady: Why can’t you comprehend that you talk garbage, can you comprehend that? And, why don’t you just leave me alone? I don’t wan’t to discuss anything with you, surely you can comprehend that. You deliberately try to evoke a response from me because you can’t handle indifference, well that’s all you’ll get from me. Maybe you’ll understand this: I DON’T LIKE YOU, YENTA.


Von Says:

“jimbojones Says:
Hugh retreat can be the better part of valor.’

Brady, take heed and JUST DO IT.


Veno Says:

Von, I’m sorry you think I opened hunting season on you. Where exactly did I do that?

I’ve been backing you and defending you, as I would anyone I consider a friend, against attacks the most of anyone, and because of one opinion of critique you shoot me down?

You put me in the same bracket as the Brady and Kimo? I mustn’t have much credit with you then.

Again, brushing it aside and I apologize if I caused you any grieve. Not my intention whatsoever.


jimbojones Says:

Ticket holders at Cincy did not pay to see Isner default because he was tired from a Tuesday evening match.


Veno Says:

they’re switching from Gonzo’s match to Serena-Flavia……….OMG…arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Von Says:

Veno:

“You put me in the same bracket as the Brady and Kimo? I mustn’t have much credit with you then. ”

Sorry, I would never put you in the same barcket as them, only on the topic, which they all picked up on after you wrote that post. My apologies for offending you, and hope you understand my point.


Von Says:

Veno: I have Gonzo’s match on my screen.


Veno Says:

It’s ok Von, I have a thick skin. And I understand your point. Enough said.

Je t’aime mon amie.

I don’t take it personal, all has been said.
The subject for me is closed.


Veno Says:

I had Gonzo on tele, but they switched to Serena saying: We have to switch as this is a quarter final match….sheeshhhhhh


Von Says:

I’m watching Nestor and Zimonjic in a fierce battle with Ram and his partner.


Von Says:

jimbojones:

If I was a ticketholder at Cincy I would have been ticked off.


jimbojones Says:

Let me say this with an unblemished heterosexual record, Carlos Moya is a good looking man and good for Flavia to have dated him.


Von Says:

Hey Carlos dropped Flavia for a sexy looking hot red head. Flavia’s tennis has zoomed since splitting with Carlos. so all things considered they both should be very happy. He’s got a hot mama and she’s got her tennis fame. Truthfully speaking, I think they were miksmatched.


Scottish Says:

Hey Von, when did I call you a name? I don’t understand your reasoning in what you said. I’m sorry if you feel I am so stupid not to get it. Even if Isner felt he wouldn’t have any juice in the tank or even knew he was going to lose the next round he has every right to win against the opponent in front of him. Maybe I just don’t understand Isner. He might be an exception if I could understand.

I made the reference to Tsonga beating Fed. Everyone knew he would lose to Murray but should he have just rolled over and not tried to beat the #1? I am sorry I just don’t understand that.

Also I must be confused about rankings but don;t the players move up or lose less the deeper they go into the draws?

Anyway Von, I never insulted you so I am unsure why such negative responses back.


Von Says:

Veno: MirnYi and ram are socking it to Nestor and Zimonjic. I bet the Bryans are looking at this match.


Veno Says:

I bet they are Von.

But still, I think the Bryans would like to meet them in the final, wouldn’t they?
Can’t see Nestor-Zimj getting through this one..


jimbojones Says:

Flavia is hanging tough


Von Says:

Scottish: I said you bad mouth Murray, not me. between rounds 3 and 4 the amount of points gained are very minute. I should never have begun the discussion with Blank, because I should know it would be misinterpreted as ‘sour grapes’by Kimo and Brady. Anyway, topic closed and my apologies for any confusion or bad/hurt feelings caused.


Scottish Says:

Tsonga getting the crowd going, I love that. Hope he can pull this win out tonight.


Veno Says:

It’s good Flavia, who has an appealing Mediterranean Look, is in the match en is hanging with Serena. Still will be straights for Serena.

Nestor en Zimmie treated to a bagel maybe…ouch!


Scottish Says:

Fair enough Von, and I stand by my earlier post to encourage you to stick around. That was sincere.

So now that Roddick is out who are you hoping to take the title?


Von Says:

Tsonga and Gonzo are in a tiebreak in the third and Tsonga keeps raising his arms for the crowd support. I bet that would anger Gonzo and make him hit some nujclear forehands.

Jimbo: What’s Flavia doing other than hanging tough?


Veno Says:

Gonzo about to take the third….


Veno Says:

Well Von, there has not been a single breakpoint and it’s 5-4 Flavia serving….


Scottish Says:

Going to be a tough climb for Jo-W now. Gonzo playing some great tennis.

I think I missed the part of the discussion but does Murray lose his #2 or does Nadal need to go further?


Veno Says:

Serena breaks to love and takes the first to 4,
I doubt if Flavia will get more than 2 games in the second….


Veno Says:

Scottish: Nadal has to win tonight…


Von Says:

Veno: If I were the Bryans I’d want to avoid Nestor/Zimon at this GS because they’ve had too many losses. Maybe the next one, but I’d like for them to at least win this one.


Scottish Says:

Serena takes the first set. Too bad it has to come now, would love to have seen a tie break.

Wow Nestor-Zimj get bageled in the 3rd. Ouch. I thought they had a good shot this year.


i am it Says:

go gonzu !


Scottish Says:

Thanks Veno. It’s going to be a tough challenge for Nadal. What’s the H2H with Monfils?

The Bryans look poised for this USO. Should be a US title in mens doubles and woman’s for the USO this year.


Von Says:

Mirnyi/Ram beat Nestor and Zim 6-0 in the third. WOW.

Scottish: I think Nadal has to win tonight to overtake No. 2. What a see-saw ranking back and forth.


Von Says:

WOW, Gonzo is hitting FH after FH stronger and stronger and ahhing louder and louder. LOL.


Cindy_Brady Says:

Veno,

Don’t put me in categories, please. I don’t do that to you. We are all individuals here with unique opinions.

Von just got called out for creating a stupid post by many of the more astute readers. Her nose got bent out of joint as usual for negative commentary towards her that she deserved. So she was forced to back pedal and do damage control.

I’m glad I’m not always cleaning brown of my nose.


Von Says:

Gonzo is ahhing and Serena is screaming. LOL


Shaky Says:

Back home to watch… Serena? I guess I should have known it’d be a women’s match.

This looks like it’s been close. Outcome of the first set ever in doubt?


Veno Says:

Scottish: 3-1 for Rafa


Von Says:

Brady: You’re in the LYING category and it’s sad because you don’t remember what you say from one minute to the next. jane and I called you out on two of your lies on the other thread and you lied to cover up another lie. Lying begets lying. You’re too much, you so love attention that you keep following me around and trying to get into a conversation even though I ignore you. who are you going to talk to now?. LOL.


Von Says:

Scottish: Nadal’s not on, so where did you get that score from?


Von Says:

Shaky; Serena won the first set 6-4.


Scottish Says:

Von, Veno was responding to my question on Rafa’s H2H with Monfils. :-)


Veno Says:

Like Pennetta’s attitude….keeps grinding and bringing it to Serena.

It’s the first match Serena’s breaking a sweat


Shaky Says:

“Cleaning brown out of your nose”? What does this even mean? Does this make someone an ass kisser? How does that apply here?

Is this a regional saying? I can’t even figure out what you’re talking about.

You’ve done this same crap with “sour grapes” for the last 2 weeks. You’re terrible with idioms, why can’t you use any of these correctly?

I haven’t seen someone misuse/misplay so many adages since George W. Bush.

Cindy, stick to tennis for god’s sakes. Stop picking fights. Some moderator should ban your ip or something, you’re almost as bad as that guy who was calling Mirka a heifer for giggles.


Veno Says:

Gonzo looking the fitter man….

Come on Jo-W…let’s see it go all the way…

Gonzo’s fh is insane by the way


Von Says:

Shaky: Brady, does not even know tennis. What she writes is information someone else wrote the day before or on another thread and then she repeats it as though it’s her knowledge to get into conversations with the other posters.


Shaky Says:

Von, seriously why do you fight with this idiot? Nobody takes her seriously unless they’re agreeing with her.

By the way, I think I’ll start ending all my posts with an idiom that has absolutely no connection to my point.

Loose lips sink ships, don’t you know anything?


Von Says:

Gonzo’s FH is nuclear. I don’t think JW has the stamina to go all the way.

Serena is blasting shots and each one gets a louder scream. LOL.


Von Says:

Shaky: I ignore the idiot but she just keeps coming at me and placing my name in her posts without and need for it. I think she’s in lole with me. LOL, but I don’t want her. Do you? Somebody take her please; she’s desperate.


Von Says:

This set is a must win for JW.

Flavia had a fall.


jimbojones Says:

I’d love to see Gonzo vs. Verdasco in the final. It could happen and there would be firepower in the rallies


Von Says:

Gonzo wins!!!!

WOW, is Gonzo happy!! i wouldn’t mind it one bit if Gonzo were to win this title.


Veno Says:

Gonzo takes it in 4. Tsonga looked spent in that last set. Is it me or doesn’t Jo-W like Gonzo…
Shook the hand of the ump furst and when walking to his chair gave Gonzo a little handshake…

The men didn’t meet at net…How weird…


Von Says:

jimbo: Who do you think would win in that battle?


Von Says:

Veno; Are you staying up for Nadal’s match?


Cindy_Brady Says:

jimbojone,

That would be a terribly rated final without either Federer or Nadal there.

God, I hope that doesn’t happen. Both are good players but not Grand Slam caliber champions.


Von Says:

Today was a day of mucho upsets.


Veno Says:

I wouldn’t mind Gonzo taking the title…


Scottish Says:

Too bad for Jo-W. he is a good player but doesn’t seem to have the edge to make it really deep in the bigger tournaments.


Veno Says:

Yes Von, I am going to watch Rafa


Cindy_Brady Says:

I hope Rafa doesn’t get upset.

Monfils is so unpredictable. Anything can happen.


Veno Says:

Although there was never a doubt, at least kudos to Flavia for making it a match. Not many UE, good play from both and only 2 breaks, both by Serena…

Nice to see I player not bowing down before Serena before a point is played.


Von Says:

Scottish: I just saw your post on who I’d want to win the title. I don’t have a preference. Any one of the 8 guys in the QFs would be fine. I’m not picky — They’re all deserving IMO. I’d like to see one of the older guys win as their window of opportunity is slowly closing, especially Gonzo.


Von Says:

Veno: I’ll stick around for Rafa also.


Veno Says:

Schedule is out and unfortunately am going to miss my fave playing Sod tomorrow…


Von Says:

What time is the match?


Scottish Says:

Too bad Veno. I’ll probably miss the last half unless he rolls over Robin in 3 straight sets.


jimbojones Says:

I think who ever hit their backhand better would win with Verdasco vs. Gonzo


Veno Says:

Oudin-Woz starts at 19:00 and after that Fed plays…


Von Says:

I think Verdasco has a more potent and accurate BH than Gonzo. Also, verdasco’s serve is batter. Gonzo and verdasco’s FH are about par.


Veno Says:

If LaMonf plays aggressive like he did in 4R against A-Rod in Paris Rafa’s going to be in trouble. Hope Rafa’s 100% and his abdominal is healed…Juan Carlos said it was….


Scottish Says:

Veno, Rafa said in the pre-match interview that he wasn’t 100%. He said he’s just try and do his best. Not really sure what that means but we’ll find out soon enough.


Veno Says:

True, but Gonzo knows what it is to play a slam final. It would be a close match I suspect
And I feel Verdasco is more prone to getting nervous than Gonzo is


Veno Says:

LaMonf the only player left in the draw who hasn’t lost a set yet.


Von Says:

That Paris match vs. Roddick was on clay.

Monfils will beat Rafa in serve and probably speed also.


Von Says:

Yes, but he only played vs. Chardy and Beck. Acasuso retired, so he wasn’t really tested.


Von Says:

Cahill said Rafa did not do any warm up today due to the abdominal strain.


Veno Says:

Rafa doesn’t look comfortable…Let’s wait and see….


Veno Says:

yes it was on clay, but there he was really attacking(because it was about to get dark) and normally he plays tentative and long rallies. He’ll lose if he does this with Rafa


Veno Says:

Soderling was the first one on clay to figure a successful tactic and executing it.

Fed has had the tactic in 05-07 but wasn’t able to execute it well enough.


Veno Says:

RALLY OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Von Says:

I’ve a feeling Nadal will retire. He has a look on his face of pain.


Von Says:

Veno: Have a good night, and enjoy the match.


Von Says:

Veno: BTW, good luck to your fave tomorrow.

Goodnight all.


Veno Says:

you too vonnie!

talk to you tomorrow Ace!

Going in horizontal mode on the couch now!


jimbojones Says:

How is Rafa moving? I am not able to watch, but it is sad to see a guy have his body betray him before turning 25.


Scottish Says:

Nite Von! :-)


Scottish Says:

I agree that Nadal might pull out of this. He doesn’t look good.


Cindy_Brady Says:

I’m feeling bad for Rafa. Looks like Monfils is stronger.


Scottish Says:

NICE!! Rafa is back. Keep it going and get your #2 back.


Cindy_Brady Says:

Rafa never gives up. Looks like a tie breaker!


i am it Says:

rafa has to play 1-2 punch to make his job easier.


i am it Says:

monfils is muttering 1000 things inaudibly. funny.


Shaky Says:

Monfils has crazy unkempt hair, crazy bug eyes, and yells at himself between points.

I love this guy’s attitude. I hope in the postmatch interview if he wins he promises to eat a baby or something.

How is this guy not top 10? Just injuries?


Scottish Says:

This is such an incredible match. How can they keep this up for so long? Both players giving it all they have.


been there, done that Says:

Veno@2:03 pm says

In the other thread you have a young prince in “been there, done that” coming to your defence about the pessimism. I kinda like that.

LOL. Sorry to dissapoint you my old pedantic friend, I don’t defend ANYONE on a blog. LOL. I don’t know anyone on a blog, so can neither defend or attack them. perhaps you do this, but for me, I only give opinions. I didn’t even know you were involved in a debate there with Jane on the whole pessimism/optimism & as I said on that thread, it wasn’t meant for you. You seem to be a little obsessed here. If you at all read my last reply on that thread, you’d actually see that I was actually telling her that she can develop a positive thinking approach to her self-described pessimism-hardly a defence…..& if it is, so what? You want to come across as philosophical on blogs but sometimes end up quite shallow….thinking that my reply was a defence? Lol. Quite an ego there. Also you don’t know if I’m a man or woman……so no need to describe me as a prince or princess or whatever.

all is good, & nothing is serious. *cough cough, wink wink*

:)

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