Sharapova Pockets First Title after Jankovic Retirement in Tokyo
by Sean Randall | October 3rd, 2009, 9:49 am
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What else would you expect? A tournament snakebitten from the start – recall the Top 6 seeds all lost in their first match – concludes on a retirement during its championship match. Such is status quo these days on the WTA Circus.

Credit though to Maria Sharapova who battled through a dicey draw to win her first title in 18 months. Earlier today in the Tokyo final Maria led Jelena Jankovic 5-2, 30-0 in the first set when the Serb called the trainer and pulled the plug citing a wrist injury. Yes, Maria was two points from the first set, but I guess Jelena, who actually led 2-0 to start the match, had no intentions of letting her have it.

How bad JJ’s wrist/arm are is unclear (she’s always injured, isn’t she?), but the retirement will leave a bitter taste in conclusion for a Tokyo event that poured $2 million in prize money only to have all six of its top players lose their first match – Dinara Safina, Venus Williams, Elena Dementieva, Svetlana Kuznetskova, Vera Zvonareva, Caroline Wozniacki – and then have an unfinished finale.

I know retirements happen and that players get injured or they are too tired, exhausted, unmotivated some days to compete. But I think players need to better understand that the economy is tough all around the world (though I’m told “greenshoots” are everywhere!) not just for themselves but also for the tournaments and most importantly for the fans.

Tennis is a sport of the privilege, of the upper class and I know Tokyo has its share of the wealthy, but some, if not many, of the fans who go support their favorite players are buying tickets these days with the last remaining pennies in their bank accounts. And at the end of the day some players (men and women) need to take that into account by giving back more, by going that extra mile, fighting just a little harder for that ball and doing whatever they can to make sure those fans who are spending their hard-earned money get a good show.

Did that happen this week in Tokyo, I don’t know. But to add, put yourselves in the shoes of the tournament sponsors. Is this the kind of event, the kind of tour you want to put your dollars in especially in this global economic climate?

As for Maria, again full credit. I’ve said it before and it’s worth saying again, Sharapova is one of the fiercest competitors in tennis if not in all of sports. If her shoulder heals 100% and her serves returns to full we’ll be seeing a lot more of her in the winner’s circle. I know many people don’t like her – I really don’t either – but she gives it her all every single match. And love her or hate her you have to respect her for that. She gets paid a hefty sum not just for those good looks, but because she’s going to compete.

The Tour now shifts onto the mainland in Beijing for the $4.5 million China Open. The tournament, which uniquely began today, features close to the same draw as Tokyo just with the addition of Serena Williams (more on her participation in another blog!).


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34 Comments for Sharapova Pockets First Title after Jankovic Retirement in Tokyo

Bojan Says:

“How bad JJ’s wrist/arm are is unclear (she’s always injured, isn’t she?)…”

Well, the fact her wrist was SWOLLEN says enough. And this ‘she’s always injured’… yeah, she had some troublesome injuries in the past, but can you really remember the last time she was injured? She didn’t retire in a match since 2007 WTA Championships, and plus, this is a final, so I really believe she had strong reasons to retire.


Von Says:

What a disappointment of a match! I’m not a Sharapova fan, but I felt badly for her. There was a look of disappointment written all over her face. I doubt any player wants to hold up the trophy that way. I felt Jankovic could have at least tried to remain in the match, until the middle of the second set, and then retire, especially since it’s a final. If I were a fan at that match I would have been very ticked off. The Asians are a very demure people, and behaved very classy despite the drama and disappointment. Kudos to them! I can’t begin to imagine the heckling, et al., if that match was in another part of the world and there was a retirement in the final. Probably bedlam would have broken out. LOL.


Bojan Says:

Yeah, or perhaps you’d be satisfied if Jelena bled out to death. I guess then you’d understand if she’d retire :rolleyes:


Von Says:

Well, considering Jankovic didn’t have any cuts and/or bruises, I think it’s very unlikely that a wrist problem could make her bleed to death. A lot of other players have played through wrist problems, e.g., Murray at his recent Davis Cup matches, and have not bled to death. rolleyes.


Bojan Says:

It was a metaphor ffs. When your wrist swallows it’s a clear sign of pain, and when you have pain wrist, do you think it’s easy to even hold racket, not to mention while serving… Think about it for a little.


vared Says:

How bad JJ’s wrist/arm are is unclear (she’s always injured, isn’t she?),

Sean, you cannot be serious about this statement when your man Monfils is always injured, isnt’ he?
:-)
Now, I said before if MTO’s are prohibited, then fine. Who cares if someone has 15 MTO’s in 5 years or eight in 5 years. They are still MTO’s. If tennis doesn’t like MTO’s, then ban them. It’s simple.
By the way, why would Jankovic wait until the final to “fake” a wrist injury. Why should she risk further injury? Seems like she had more feeling for the wealthy Tokyo crowd than did Serena, Venus, Safina, etc who took their appearance fees and left.


vared Says:

I can’t begin to imagine the heckling, et al., if that match was in another part of the world and there was a retirement in the final. Probably bedlam would have broken out.

Von–Did bedlam break out here?
2006: January – Henin becomes the first woman in the open era to retire from a grand slam final after falling a set and a break down to Mauresmo


Von Says:

vared: There was a lot of booing taking place at at match. I think Henin played for most of the second set before she retired. If I was there I probably would have booed Henin as Mauresmo is one of my fave WTA players, and I felt she was deprived from completing the match and an outright win.

I remember at MC when Djokovic retired vs. Federer the crowd was very unhappy, and quite a lot of noise was being made there.

My point was meant more as a compliment to the Japanese crowd for being so demure, as opposed to crowds in other parts of the world, and not about the retirement.


Von Says:

vared: “Seems like she had more feeling for the wealthy Tokyo crowd than did Serena, Venus, Safina, etc who took their appearance fees and left.”

Is this a fact? Serena, Venus, Safin and maybe others got appearance fees at Tokyo? WOW, that’s a lot of money in appearance fees, plus prize money. That tournament must have cost them a fortune in prize money alone!


Von Says:

“That tournament must have cost them a fortune in prize money alone!”

s/b That tournament must have cost them a fortune in *appearance fees*.


Kimmi Says:

Venus next plays the same girl (PAVLYUCHENKOVA) who beats her in the 1st round in Tokyo. What a coincidence. Let’s see how she does this time.


i am it Says:

JJ’s 19 retirements and w/o:

’01 Ericsson Open to Maria Sanchez 1-6, 0-4

’02 Sea Island to Harkleroad 5-7, 1-4

’03 Scottsdale to Lee-Waters 4-6, 2-1
’03 Shanghai to Dokic 6-7, 4-4

’04 Paris FINAL to Safina 4-6, 0-2
’04 Rome to Yuliana Fedak 4-6, 1-3
’04 Beijing to Sharpie 2-5

’05 USO to Mary Pierce 3-6, 0-3
’05 Filderstad to Mauresmo 6-0,

’06 Amelia Island to Craybas 2-6, 7-6, 0-4
’06 Starsbourg to Vaidisova 2-6, 0-1
’06 S’hertogenbosch to Krajicek 6-6
’06 Montreal to Ivanovic w/o
’06 Guangzhou to Chakvetadze 5-7, 0-2
’06 Qubec City to Puchkova 6-2, 4-6, 1-3.

’07 Dubai to Mauresmo 2-6,
’07 Strasbourg to Anabel Garrgues w/o
’07 Bangkok to Ji Yan 4-6 7-6(5)

’09 Tokyo Final to Sharpie 5-2.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Monfils
’05 Bastad to Robredo 4-6, 2-4

’06 Madrid to Hrbaty 6-3, 2-2 (while leading)
’06 Queens to Blake 1-6

’07 Szczecin (CH) to Jan Mertl 3-6, 0-2
’07 Monte Carlo to Stepanek 0-6, 0-2

’08 Cincinnati to Haas 0-6, 0-2
’08 Rome to Patience 3-6, 0-1

’09 Queens to Darcis w/o
’09 Australian to Simon 4-6, 6-2, 1-6

&&&&&&&&&&&&
conclusion JJ has more than twice as many retirements and w/o as monfils: 19-9.
mnfils has no QF, SF, and Final retirements. JJ has more than half a dozen QF and SF retirements and 2 Final retirements.

to put it modestly, retirement is bummer. on many occasions, it’s like pissing on your face.

retirement in the final is simply inexcusable.

i’d say the same thing if dePo had retired at the Montreal Final or Rafa had done at Rotterdam Final this year. at least you could just stand there till the end like dePo and Rafa did.


jane Says:

I don’t doubt that Jankovic was injured. Her right shoulder was hurt during her semi and likely she over-compensated with the wrist, causing her pain further down the arm.

However, I watched the entire match and Jankovic wasn’t playing too badly at all, and she retired when Sharapova picked up her level. And she didn’t play through to let Sharapova win at least a set. In my opinion, she might’ve played one more game (only 4 points) so the first set was complete; then she could’ve seen a trainer or doctor on the break between sets; and then maybe have tried to play the second set after a consultation and break, or not. But I guess I felt, at least finish 1 set.

I am of mixed feelings when it comes to players playing through injuries, as I don’t like to see players hurts themselves, and I don’t consider it heroic or entertaining watching a sick or injured player play tennis, even throwing up on the court, or limping, or grimacing in pain. I find it difficult to view, not too fun at all. That said, some players – my fave, Djoko, included – have occasionally seemed a little too quick to pull out when maybe they could’ve pushed through the injury or illness and just finished the match.

I don’t know; it’s a very difficult thing to judge. But in this case, purely from a fan’s perspective, it was disappointing to have a much anticipated final end like that.

I am not meaning to insult Jankovic either. I have nothing against her, and she played great tennis to get to the final. She deserved to be there, as did Sharapova.


Tennis This Says:

Jankovic…she never seems to put he heart into a game. She’s got good game and all but really…it’s a final!

Sharapova, good for you on getting your title!


Von Says:

I am it, that’s some list of retirements you’ve compiled there. Thanks for sharing the information!

WOW, I didn’t know Jankovic had that many retirements. I wonder how many MTOs she’s had during her career, as she seems to have at least one MTO in most of the tournaments she plays. She had two in Tokyo, SF and final — don’t know if there were any in the earlier rounds. I heard the commentators remark that Jankovic and Bartoli are the two WTA players who utilize the trainers the most.

Considering her wrist was so bad that it prevented her from finishing the first set, I wonder if she’ll pull out of Beijing? I suppose we’ll know in a couple of days.


vared Says:

Yes, I am it, can you provide a link for your w/o retirement sources and like Von I am curious about in stats on MTO’s of players. Can you provide them?

“MC when Djokovic retired vs. Federer the crowd was very unhappy”

So what? It was a semi and Federer just insulted his parents. I would have done more than retire if I were Djokovic. Notice when the umpire told Fed to be quiet at the recent US Open, he let out a couple of sh!t and f bombs. LOL

Von I also heard Lindsay Davenport say that wrist injuries are very common on fast surfaces and I think you know that players sometimes get appearance fees and many of the biggies want to show their faces and get on to more important events.

If JJ can’t get it, good for Sharpie for getting the title. After all, she is still sort of a Russkie.

Here is the booing and bedlam of 2006.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_lSXNk_QZ8&feature=PlayList&p=FEF5CE781BA3539C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56


vared Says:

I am it: you conveniently forgot one ;)

28/2004 CH Rimini (ITA) Clay Giorgio Galimberti Gael Monfils w/o Second


i am it Says:

that was before monfils turned pro, meaning he had not played any atp tour level tournament.


i am it Says:

there is no drive thru fast food stat on MTO.
and i manually compiled the retirement and w/o stat, going year by year, from atp and wta.


vared Says:

Wow I am it. Thanks for the great idea about retirements. I am going to show a few of random players.
Here’s Richard Gaquet

All ret. & w/o matches
35/2007 ATP U.S. Open (USA) Hard Donald Young Richard Gasquet w/o Second
33/2007 ATP Cincinnati (USA) Hard Lleyton Hewitt Richard Gasquet 6-1 3-2 ret. Second
44/2006 ATP Paris (FRA) Carpet Marat Safin Richard Gasquet w/o Third
21/2006 ATP Portschach (AUT) Clay Jurgen Melzer Richard Gasquet 6-0 1-1 ret. Second
8/2005 CH Cherbourg (FRA) I_Hard Novak Djokovic Richard Gasquet 6-2 1-0 ret. Second
35/2004 ATP U.S. Open (USA) Hard Michael Russell Richard Gasquet 5-7 4-1 ret. q-First
33/2004 CH Bronx (USA) Hard Julien Jeanpierre Richard Gasquet 6-3 3-6 3-0 ret. First
2/2004 ATP Sydney (AUS) Hard Felix Mantilla Richard Gasquet 3-0 ret. First
22/2003 ATP French Open (FRA) Clay Nicolas Lapentti Richard Gasquet 6-3 7-4(4) 3-0 ret. First
12/2003 ATP Miami (USA) Hard Jean-Rene Lisnard Richard Gasquet 3-6 6-1 2-1 ret. First
7/2003 ATP Marseille (FRA) I_Hard Olivier Rochus Richard Gasquet 6-7(1) 5-0 ret. Second
39/2002 ATP Palermo (ITA) Clay David Sanchez-Munoz Richard Gasquet 6-2 2-0 ret. First


vared Says:

Here’s Amelia Mauresmo

1/2009 WTA Brisbane (AUS) Hard Marion Bartoli Amelie Mauresmo 4-0 ret. 1/2
25/2008 WTA Eastbourne (GBR) Grass Samantha Stosur Amelie Mauresmo 1-2 ret. Second
42/2006 WTA Zurich (SUI) I_Hard Daniela Hantuchova Amelie Mauresmo w/o 1/4
40/2004 WTA Filderstadt (GER) I_Hard Lindsay Davenport Amelie Mauresmo 6-2 ret. Final
3/2004 WTA Australian Open (AUS) Hard Fabiola Zuluaga Amelie Mauresmo w/o 1/4
34/2003 WTA New Haven, Connecticut (USA) Hard Jennifer Capriati Amelie Mauresmo 6-3 3-1 ret. 1/2
10/2003 WTA Indian Wells, California (USA) Hard Lindsay Davenport Amelie Mauresmo w/o 1/4
8/2003 WTA Dubai (UAE) Hard Monica Seles Amelie Mauresmo 6-3 2-2 ret. 1/2
19/2002 WTA Berlin (GER) Clay Serena Williams Amelie Mauresmo w/o 1/4
2/2001 WTA Sydney (AUS) Hard Lindsay Davenport Amelie Mauresmo w/o 1/2
10/2000 WTA Indian Wells, California (USA) Hard Kim Clijsters Amelie Mauresmo 3-0 ret. Second
Amelie Mauresmo


vared Says:

Andy Roddick
All ret. & w/o matches
23/2009 ATP London (GBR) Grass James Blake Andy Roddick 4-4 ret. 1/2
19/2008 ATP Rome (ITA) Clay Stanislas Wawrinka Andy Roddick 3-0 ret. 1/2
12/2007 ATP Miami (USA) Hard Andy Murray Andy Roddick 5-3 ret. 1/4
30/2006 ATP Los Angeles (USA) Hard Dmitry Tursunov Andy Roddick w/o 1/4
22/2006 ATP French Open (FRA) Clay Alberto Martin Andy Roddick 6-4 7-5 1-0 ret. First
21/2006 ATP Dusseldorf (GER) Clay Nicolas Massu Andy Roddick 4-2 ret. Robin
12/2005 ATP Miami (USA) Hard Fernando Verdasco Andy Roddick 7-6(9) 4-3 ret. Second
7/2005 ATP Memphis (USA) I_Hard Kenneth Carlsen Andy Roddick w/o 1/2
10/2003 ATP Delray Beach (USA) Hard Mardy Fish Andy Roddick 7-6(4) 4-3 ret. First
3/2002 ATP Australian Open (AUS) Hard Ivan Ljubicic Andy Roddick 7-6(11) 3-2 ret. Second
39/2001 ATP Hong Kong (CHN) Hard Andre Sa Andy Roddick 6-3 4-6 3-3 ret. First
22/2001 ATP French Open (FRA) Clay Lleyton Hewitt Andy Roddick 6-7(6) 6-4 2-2 ret.


Kimmi Says:

Venus and Safina oh dear oh dear !


Kimmi Says:

LOL vared, when you compile a list like above, JJ does not look that bad but 19 retirements would probably still be top 5 in the list.


vared Says:

hehe Kimmi let me do some more research. I am It has started me on something here. What I found fascinating about the ones I just posted was that Amelie Mauresmo retired in a final too. So I am sure she couldn’t possibly complain about juju doing it to her. Also, I had no idea that Roddick retired from three GS’s, two French and one Aussie. I am going to look up some more fun facts.


vared Says:

Haas

32/2009 ATP Montreal (CAN) Hard Fernando Gonzalez Tommy Haas 7-6(2) ret. Second
17/2008 ATP Monte-Carlo (MON) Clay Olivier Rochus Tommy Haas 6-1 3-0 ret. First
11/2008 ATP Indian Wells (USA) Hard Roger Federer Tommy Haas w/o 1/4
26/2007 ATP Wimbledon (GBR) Grass Roger Federer Tommy Haas w/o Fourth
19/2007 ATP Rome (ITA) Clay Radek Stepanek Tommy Haas 6-3 3-2 ret. First
44/2006 ATP Paris (FRA) Carpet Dominik Hrbaty Tommy Haas 6-4 1-0 ret. 1/2
20/2006 ATP Hamburg (GER) Clay Robin Soderling Tommy Haas 6-2 2-1 ret. First
15/2006 ATP Houston (USA) Clay Mardy Fish Tommy Haas 4-1 ret. 1/2
10/2006 ATP Indian Wells (USA) Hard James Blake Tommy Haas 6-3 3-0 ret. Fourth
25/2005 ATP Wimbledon (GBR) Grass Janko Tipsarevic Tommy Haas 6-2 2-1 ret. First
1/2005 ATP Hopman Cup (AUS) I_Hard Guillermo Coria Tommy Haas 5-7 3-2 ret. First
42/2002 ATP Madrid (ESP) I_Hard Fabrice Santoro Tommy Haas 7-6(7) 4-1 ret. Second
37/2002 ATP Tashkent (UZB) Hard Vladimir Voltchkov Tommy Haas 6-2 2-1 ret. 1/4
34/2002 ATP Long Island (USA) Hard Paradorn Srichaphan Tommy Haas w/o 1/2
18/2002 ATP Munich (GER) Clay Mikhail Youzhny Tommy Haas 6-2 2-0 ret. 1/4
31/2001 ATP Montreal (CAN) Hard Andrei Pavel Tommy Haas 6-4 5-0 ret. 1/2
26/2001 ATP Wimbledon (GBR) Grass Wayne Black Tommy Haas 6-4 5-7 6-1 3-0 ret. First
12/2001 ATP Miami (USA) Hard Andre Agassi Tommy Haas w/o Fourth
9/2001 ATP San Jose (USA) I_Hard Xavier Malisse Tommy Haas 5-7 6-3 5-1 ret. 1/4
29/2000 ATP Stuttgart (GER)


Von Says:

vared: Your comparisons are unfair and flawed! First of all this thread is about Jankovic. And secondly, the guys you’ve cited have been on the tour about double or more the amount of time she’s been on the tour. Roddick has been on the tour for 11+ years, which averages out to 1 retirement per year and in the years ’05/06, he’s had 2 each year. How does that compare to Jankovic? Further whenever Roddick retired he was severely injured and could not play in the next tournament, which entailed him being off the tour for a few weeks at a time. In ’08 vs. Wawrinka, he was injured for six months after. Unlike some retirements, where the player retires and a few days later is playing in another tournament, that’s not Roddick’s MO. Also, Roddick has never retired in a final.

Since you’re into this comparison thing big time, what about your boy, did you check out his retirements and MTO ratio of number of years on the tour vs. retirements for those years? I think you have some more work to do, don’t you think? I think you are opening a virtual Pandora’s box here. Anyway, have fun.

BTW, for someone who says he likes all the players, except for 2 men and 2 women, it seems to me you’re extremely partial to those players from only *one* specific country.


Kimmi Says:

Vared, amazing ! soon Djokovic will start to look not too bad either.


Von Says:

vared: It’s obvious why you’re going after Roddick, because I asked about Jankovic. Again, how’s this liking for all players working out for you since you seem to be on a vendetta mission for some? WOW. Remember to check out your boy. I’m not into these stats or I’d do it just to show you a few facts.

To reiterate, if you like all players, except for two, why are you so ticked off about anything related to the Serbian players? To be fair, Sharapova was denied an outright win, so why aren’t you thinking that something wasn’t right towards her? Instead you’re championing Jankovic’s cause and bringing in comparisons of other players even though this thread does not mention them. I suppose we can assume you don’t like Monfils, Gasquet, Roddick and Haas? Is that correct? I think that incongruence is the theme here! It takes situations like these to see who’s the real faves with respect to some fans who claim they like several players. I’ve never bought it, and this is a prime example of why.


Von Says:

vared: I’m still waiting to see the MTOs. Since you so craftily brought me into the picture, in your post to I am it, why don’t you do it –you’ve got so much time on your hands? Instead you’re picking on players who are not in the discussion and/or mentioned in the article. Shame on you!!

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-10-03/2409.php/comment-page-1#comment-101739


Von Says:

vared: “Also, I had no idea that Roddick retired from three GS’s, two French and one Aussie. I am going to look up some more fun facts.”

Those retirements were due to injury and were in the first round not QFs or SFs.


Sean Randall Says:

And JJ’s wrist/arm is how bad? Drama…


vared Says:

Von since you were perturbed with me about the appearance fee thing I mentioned, it was Sean Marshall that mentioned the girls maybe taking their fees and leaving.

“I understand in part that these top girls go to pick up an appearance fee…”
Safina, Venus Lose Opening Round in Tokyo; WTA Circus Continues
Sean Randall

-why are you so ticked off about anything related to the Serbian players?

I like eastern bloc players but am not Serbian or Russian myself. I was kind of wondering why you have a strong dislike for this small and specific ethnicity? Djokovic, Jankovic and Ivanovic. It’s really visible, your dislike of this group of people. Did a Serbian ever do something to you? On the other hand I make no bones about the fact I don’t like Serena, Safina, Fed and Murray. I’d say they represent a diverse sample of tennis players. Not yours.

-the guys you’ve cited have been on the tour about double or more the amount of time she’s been on the tour

Double or more? Not true, look at the years ‘I am it’ posted for Jankovic (2001 2009)and look at the years I posted for Haas (2001-2009).

vared: “Also, I had no idea that Roddick retired from three GS’s, two French and one Aussie.

–Those retirements were due to injury and were in the first round not QFs or SFs.

Wrong,one in the first, one in the second and Hewitt in the third. But let’s not get Von all upset. It’s OK to retire in a GS then, but ONLY if it is not a QF or SF. OK, another Von rule…people listen up.

–Roddick has never retired in a final.

Good for Roddick. But Mauresmo HAS retired in a final, aren’t you pissed off?

Von: “If I was there I probably would have booed Henin as Mauresmo is one of my fave WTA players, and I felt she was deprived from completing the match and an outright win.

–I suppose we can assume you don’t like Monfils, Gasquet, Roddick and Haas?

Negative. Just showing some stats. You were absolutely thrilled with stats when ‘I am It’ posted them. What happened? I get it, you only like “certain, selective” stats.

–I’m still waiting to see the MTOs

So am I. ‘I am it’ the stat guy says there’s no way to do it easily.I followed his lead for retirements and W/O’s and did it but he says we can’t do it fast track. If he can show me the way, I’ll do it. Speaking of MTO’s, this being recent, did you see Oudin take a five minute MTO against Dementieva in the 3rd set when she was in trouble? Didn’t see you complain about that, did I? Oh wait, maybe another Von rule coming up…
I bring this up because you don’t like MTO’s right Von? Or wait, you only think they are OK when people you like do it.

–To be fair, Sharapova was denied an outright win, so why aren’t you thinking that something wasn’t right towards her?

Yes, things could have gone better but I don’t care about people retiring in a final because they still get the money and I don’t care about MTO’s. YOU obviously do care, although selectively. So I am playing back what you said. I did some fact checking about Mauresmo since you were so outraged about JuJu and would boo her. Well Von, did Mauresmo deny Davenport an outright win at a final or not? Are YOU not outraged? Why not mention that little match when speaking of finals retirements? Another Von rule coming up here? You can retire like Amelie in a smaller tourny but not in a GS like Henin did. Is that your next rule Von? But wait, Tokyo is not a GS. But Jelena is a Serb. What is Von to do now?

Von don’t you think you are being a little bit hypocritical?

MTO’s are not mentioned if people you like are doing them. Retiring in GS’s are OK if people you like are doing it. Specifically, if anyone retires in a GS, Von now says they must do it BEFORE a QF or SF. Retiring in finals are OK if people you like (Amelie) are doing it. Von, you are just pissed because you made a big to-do about Jankovic retiring in finals and how poor Sharpie and Amelie were cheated– when Amelie herself wasn’t above doing it in a final. You are pissed because you said there would be bedlam in other places with finals retirements and I posted the Amelie JuJu AO retirement video and the crowd was calm and respectful.

Where do we go from here? I will leave this forum if it will help you. I have noticed that many on here have had run-ins with you and left. Others that stay always back down and defer to you in case you haven’t noticed it. In fact, now that I write this, I think I will leave here. If one cannot challenge Von, if one has to always walk around on tip-toe or egg shells so as not to offend Von, it’s not worth it.
Adios, over and out.


Von Says:

vared: I answered your post on the other thread, but I’ll address a few points i forgot to mention:

” Negative. Just showing some stats. You were absolutely thrilled with stats when ‘I am It’ posted them. What happened? I get it, you only like “certain, selective” stats.’

Where was I being thrilled? The folloing is my comment, so please show me where I’m being thrilled: “I am it, that’s some list of retirements you’ve compiled there. Thanks for sharing the information!” I believe there were some other posters who were making more of it than I was. I think if you were to go back and read you’ll see the other comments

“Wrong,one in the first, one in the second and Hewitt in the third. But let’s not get Von all upset. It’s OK to retire in a GS then, but ONLY if it is not a QF or SF. OK, another Von rule…people listen up.”

I’m not the only one who gets pissed off when players retire, especially in a final or at the QF, Sf at the GS level. I believe another poster remarked on it on this thread even before I posted. Why aren’t you making it out to be a rule for that poster and only suggesting I’m making it a rule? But, we know this isn’t about rules and/or other players, only specific players whom you like the most, isn’t it? Posters can write what they like about other players, and so can you, but no one and I mean NO ONE can comment on the Serbian players, at least not in your book, isn’t it? If people do comment on the Serba you’ll find some point to counter and/or jusify.

I happen to like Murray and I don’t go after you with your lavish criticisms of him. You claim you like other players, but yet you never defend Roddick, even though you claim you like the American. And what of Oudin, she annoys you with her fist pumps, but you defend Ivanovic’s ridiculous fist pumps. Yes, that’s another rule, but it’s vared’s rule. Don’t mess with the Serbian players, but you have free will to criticize Murray and all of the other players.

You’re so incongruent vared. You claim you like the Russians, but yet you weren’t at all upset that Sharapova didn’t get to play on and win the match outright.

Who’s being hypocritical here, vared? If you like the Russians and the Serbians,(see your comments above) how could you justify one wrong over the other? I’m baffled. and no, to your question about my not likikng the serbs. i’ve defended djokovic more times than I can remember. See the Monte Carlo ’08 thread where I defended him and got plastered by Fed fans. After that, ive defended him some more, but I’ve subsequently found out it was only one-way — the Djokovic fans do NOT defend Roddick or the Americans, so why should I stick my neck out for Djokovic.

“Good for Roddick. But Mauresmo HAS retired in a final, aren’t you pissed off?”

Yes, I was ticked off when Mauresmo retired, but how would you know, you weren’t around at the time.

“Where do we go from here? I will leave this forum if it will help you. I have noticed that many on here have had run-ins with you and left. Others that stay always back down and defer to you in case you haven’t noticed it. In fact, now that I write this, I think I will leave here. If one cannot challenge Von, if one has to always walk around on tip-toe or egg shells so as not to offend Von, it’s not worth it.”

We don’t have to go any place, nor do you have to leave. i’m not one who enjoys it if another leaves. What is there to gain in that for me? NADA. You’ve blown this whole retirement thing way out of proportion. Just go back and read the posts, and you’ll see I was being polite and realistic. However, you’ve taken it to the extreme.

And, please let’s not talk about run-ins and tiffs. Yes, I get into those, but so does everyone else – I’m not singular. You’ve had many run-ins with at least five (5) posters I can think off the top of my head. The last one on the Serena USO altercation with another poster, you had a humdinger of a battle which ran from thread to thread and over a period of several days. You even used a bit of information from one of my posts to try to involve me in to that tiff, but I didn’t bite.

Look vared, let’s just put this behind us. I meant no ill-will toward you. I was just discussing some stuff that was brought up which you took too far. Anyway, I think I know why you’re so offended and/or taking this road, because I queried about your boy’s retirements and MTOs, so I suppose you’re using this as a front to cover that up and some transference of guilt is involved here as well. I’m no more interested in your leaving or my being here. And, considering how much my *run-ins* with other posters are on a checks and balances system with you and maybe a few others here, who knows maybe I should just continue to do what I’ve begun a little over 2 weeks ago. You remain here because you’re a perfect fit. On the other hand, I’m NOT and am an outcast because I challenge too many people. to post here amicably, one has to be a game player, which I could and/or would never be. I’m surprised you think you need to walk on egg-shells around me, considering you’ve pretty much stated whatever you feel, and this is the only instance that I’ve disagreed with you, even though there were times I’ve wanted to but didn’t. Therefore, who’s walkikng on the egg shells around whom? Please do as you deem fit.

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