Soderling Sacks Nadal Again; Federer v. Murray Tuesday at ATP Finals
by Sean Randall | November 23rd, 2009, 11:02 pm
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So far, so good at the year-end ATP Finals. The first two days provided plenty of drama, intrigue and even upset. Today, Robin Soderling backed up his improbable French Open win over Rafael Nadal by defeating the Spaniard again, this time in straight sets 6-4, 6-4 in his first round robin match at the World Finals in London.

It wasn’t much of a surprise given that Soderling is an exceptional indoor player while Nadal’s been playing with fire in his last few events. But watching the match I started to get the feeling that Rafa’s best days may very well be behind him. That said, it is just one match and it’s far too premature to write his obituary, even at this event.

“I think I didn’t play really bad. I played okay,” said Nadal was again denied a 400th career ATP win. “But in the important moments, I didn’t have the necessary calm, so I had few mistakes. He is a big player on this surface, so [it] is difficult. If you are not completely calm and playing very well in that moment, it’s really difficult to win, and today I didn’t play in this way in those moments.”

Added Soderling: “Well, I felt pretty good. For me it’s always tough. Every first round match in every tournament for me is the toughest one. So I was a little bit nervous in the beginning. But I got off to a very good start with an early break, so that helped me a lot.”

I mentioned Federer’s poor Top 10 mark in my last post, well, Nadal’s is even worse. In the last six months the only Top 10 player Rafa’s beaten is Jo Tsonga two week ago.

Later in the day my pre-tournament pick Novak Djokovic outlasted the pong-like Russian Nikolay Davydenko 7-5 in the third. I felt Davydenko would provide some serious opposition and he did just that in this rematch of the ’08 Shanghai finale pushing the Serb to the brink. I just hope the near-three hour match doesn’t take anything out of Novak for his Wednesday clash with Soderling. Although afterward Novak didn’t sound like a guy with the mindset needed to win this event.

“I wasn’t feeling that great on the court,” said Djokovic. “Physically wise, I was a bit slow, kind of couldn’t get in great rhythm. With reactions, as well. But I’m just happy to win the first match. I knew that it’s going to be long one. Davydenko is in great form, [a] very aggressive player. But in the end, [I am] quite happy to get through.”

Probably the biggest surprise to me thus far was the play of Juan Martin Del Potro on Sunday. DelPo lost in three sets to Murray but midway through the match (down 5-0 to Murray) the Argentine got his game online and really started punishing Murray. Unfortunately, DelPo faded at the end as Murray regained control in the third but in between he was playing some scary level of tennis that I didn’t he could conjure up this week. If the big guy can somehow match the standard of play, watch out.

And almost as expected, Roger Federer struggled against Fernando Verdasco, surviving the lefty’s Nadal-esq strategy in three sets. Verdasco was in control for much of the match with the tried-and-true strategy of peppering heavy topspin balls to the Swiss’s backhand, but come crunch time Verdasco, unlike Nadal, couldn’t keep his nerve.

Federer now meets Murray in the most anticipated match of the round robin stage. If Federer plays like he did against Verdasco he’s going to lose, that simple. To compound matters, Murray’s won six of nine meetings with the Swiss and even though the Scot, like Federer, had his share of lapses in his first match, I think Murray gets through this one.

“Well, obviously I expect a difficult match,” Federer said Sunday looking head to Murray. “Always fun playing, you know, your fellow rivals. I’ve had from the top guys, I think Andy has been one of the guys I played the most. I played him frequently at the beginning of the season, in Doha and where else did I play him? I just played him in Shanghai the week before. Then was it Indian Wells, as well? So I played him on a few occasions in a row.”

Given Federer’s results in London I’ll be interested to hear the crowd reaction to playing Murray. And if the match itself wasn’t enough, should Federer win he’ll clinch the year-end No. 1 ranking.

The first singles match of the day features DelPo and Verdasco. If both players “max out” DelPo should win. And while I don’t think either can sustain that top level, I think DelPo is just a wee bit mentally tougher than Fernando.

Overall though, what a great first few days and based on the level of play and the matchups ahead it looks like things will only get better.

On Wednesday we’ll get Nadal v. Davydenko in a virtual elimination match while Djokovic and Soderling bid for a likely semifinal spot.


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210 Comments for Soderling Sacks Nadal Again; Federer v. Murray Tuesday at ATP Finals

Gannu Says:

Sean you are a sweet heart.. u picked murray to win this one against fedex ;-)))

I really hope u maintain ur “flawless” track record ;-)

Come on fedex..I am gonna watch u at 2:15am in India!!!


jhc Says:

“…tarted to get the feeling that Rafa’s best days may very well be behind him.”

christ. give the poor bloke a chance to retool his game. i’m not a huge nadal fan (well, i don’t like his style of play; i admire his determination and humility), but i do think he’s trying to introduce some fundamental changes to body and game, just as he gradually upped his game to win on hard courts and the grass after being typecast as a clay court specialist.

but anyhow, go federer! i hope the verdasco scare has gotten his juices flowing…


Andrew Miller Says:

I agree on Mr. Randall’s call: Nadal is unlikely to win this tournament, and despite posting good results, he’s in a micro-slump which could turn into a true slump.

Kind of think the Murray-Federer match should be “a corker”.


jane Says:

jhc, I have to agree with you; it’s too soon to write off Rafa. He is nothing if not determined, and it’s just been a crappy year for him, and perhaps a transitional one too. As you say, it’s not like he hasn’t transformed his game and/or efforts to suit his goals in the past. He’s not done winning yet. No way.

Having said that, I do agree that Nadal is not likely to win here at the WTF.


devastatingdjokovic Says:

If Nadal goes 0-3, he’ll be on a 4 match losing streak. Not good news for the world number 2. And Davydenko sounds pretty confident. And he should, he is playing quite well and he beat Nadal recently on a similar surface. He’s also quite determined to make the semis, something we don’t see from Davy too often is the actual desire.


margot Says:

Oh no! Has Sean now given Andy the kiss of death?
BTW: agree with Andy, Rusedski’s a twerp. As the saying goes, “Please take my advice, I’m not using it myself at the mo.”
Madamax: What about a swift holiday in Switzerland whenever tennis comes to the UK? Espec. when it’s time for Wimbles…


steve Says:

Nadal has not altered his game very radically. What he has done is pile bits and pieces of the all-court game on top of his basic game–heavy topspin + ball retrieval + counterpunching. The biggest change he has made is to improve his serve, which allows him to stay in the match longer so that he can wear down his opponents.

It’s not a coincidence that his Grand Slam victories away from the French Open have required five sets. It’s because he must outlast his opponents by getting the ball back again and again, whereas more attacking-minded players can simply hit lots and lots of winners and finish things quickly.

If he could, he wouldn’t be playing three-set matches that last longer than others’ five-setters.

No one suggested that Sampras could radically rebuild his game, which was brilliantly suited to fast surfaces, to succeed on the clay of Roland Garros.

So why the insistence that Nadal can totally reconstruct his game to deal with faster surfaces and power players? Do people really hold Federer and Djokovic and Del Potro so cheaply, that they think that someone who plays an antithetical style can just come along, and by sheer volition play their kind of game better than they?

That’s what it will take to do it, make no mistake. In the last AO, he didn’t have to face anyone like Soderling or Del Potro who could hit him off the court. He can’t count on that always happening, so it’s going to be tougher going, even on clay.


Colin Says:

Sean, maybe I’m just missing a joke, but what do you mean by “pong-like Russian”?


Long Live the King Says:

There was this american express ad with A-rod, where A-rod plays a robot kind of thing called PONG. It keeps frustrating A-rod by retrieving everything roddick throws at it. Finally, A-rod fools it with a under-arm serve, as i remember.

Go to youtube and search Andy roddick and Pong and check the video yourself. Sean’s comparing davy to the Pong thing :) which keeps getting back everything!


Fed is GOAT Says:

Murray is overrated. Unless Fed tanks, I expect him to beat murray in straight.

Nadal has a real chance of going 0-3.

Djokovic is the man to beat, unless he just runs out of gas….

I doubt if DelPo is enough in touch to beat Federer right now….

If I have to pick a total surprise winner, it would be Davy. soderling just isn’t mentally strong to last 5 matches.


Fed is GOAT Says:

As for Nadal changing his game, gimme a break. He has tried, and succeeded. This is the best you are gonna see. He is going to get whipped outside of clay from now on.

The test is whether he can win the French next year. If he loses there, he will probably retire!


Kimo Says:

Fed is GOAT said:

“Unless Fed tanks, I expect him to beat murray in straight.”

Well, Fed has been tanking a lot lately, so I don’t know why you’re so confident.

If Fed is on his game he can kick Murray’s butt, if he’s not, it’ll be a struggle.

The match will either end in straight sets if Roger wins, or it will go the distance if Murray wins.


David Says:

steve

I agree for the most part. At this year’s AO, he also drew a couple of players with one-handed backhands – Gonzalez and Haas – before playing Fed in the final. That’s a dream draw for Rafa on a slowish hard court. It’s unlikely he’ll ever get such a draw again since more and more the tour is filled with big 2-handed player that can whack the ball through the court.


David Says:

Kimo, Fed is GOAT

Fed really looks fired up to win this event from what I saw in the first match. So unless that was “only” about securing the No. 1, he’s got to be the big favorite to win the whole thing. As he should’ve been from the beginning no matter what Mats Wilander said.

I could see Murray winning this round-robin match, but pretty hard to fathom Murray beating Fed twice in a week if Roger really wants this title.


devastatingdjokovic Says:

FIG, really? You’re probably right about Nadal. And if Fed loses Wimbledon, he’ll DEFINITELY retire. Fed’s best days are well behind him and there’s no way he can keep up with the young guys. He even gets whipped by Nadal on hard courts!!!

Steve, no one wanted Sampras to reconstruct his game. The argument was for Sampras to play HIS game, serve and volley. Sampras was a stubborn champion who wanted to prove he could beat anyone playing their style. On clay, the style was usually stay back and rally. And so you have the result that you do.

Now I’m starting to understand why nonFed fans here hate the Fed fans. It’s unbelievable how disrepectful they are to players other than Federer. Don’t forget this guy you’re writing off so quickly, Nadal, has pwned Federer his entire career. And they only faced each other TWICE when Fed wasn’t number 1 (both times this year).


O-Kerr Says:

Federer will try to play better today for one reason that he likes winning in the opponent’s home turf. Muzza may or may not be able to rise to the occasion under the pressure and expectation in front of home crowd. That sounds more like a fan speaking. IMHO, whoever wins between these two tonight will be a finalist, and the loser will be out either in the semi or before.


Sean Randall Says:

Re: Nadal. A lot has to do with environment. There are just so many young guys right now who match up well with Rafa – DelPo, Tsonga Djokovic, Murray – and when you add the fact his body is so fragile it’s hard to see him ever finishing a year No. 1. At this point I’d bet against it. But He’ll still win his fair share of slams down the road.

The Murray-Fed match is on Fed’s racquet. It’s up to him. I just don’t think he can play that near-perfect tennis to get the job done.

Murray will get a lot of balls back, mix things up and force Fed into errors. If Fed curbs the errors he can win, if he doesn’t he’ll lose.


David Says:

Sean, O-Kerr

This could also be a repeat of the 1999 YEC. IIRC, Sampras got beat pretty handily in RR phase by Agassi and then came back and pummelled him in the final. This Fed-Murray match is nice for the fans, but in the end it probably won’t mean much. Both of these guys are likely to be in the semis and that’s where the tournament begins.


O-Kerr Says:

May I improve on Sean’s “If Fed curbs the errors he can win, if he doesn’t he’ll lose” = Federer must play like he did the 1st set at Cincinnati, not the 2nd set, so it is not merely cutting down errors but running the opponent down by perforating the opponent with returns on the rise, quickness, playing inside the court, avoiding rallies and baseline stagnancy, and incessant winners all the way without slowing down.


David Says:

dd

I agree that FIG went over the top and was disrespectful to Nadal. I think Steve is just making reasonable points.

Nadal, even if he retires tomorrow, will go down as one of the great champions of the Open Era, so it also annoys me to hear people bash the guy. But the points Steve brings up are valid. Soderling, Delpo, JMDP, Djokovic and others are looming there as a major problem for Nadal going forward because their style of play matches up so well against him. And it’s not only hard court imo. They’ve got the game to knock him off the court on grass as well, and who knows maybe even clay. It’s up to Rafa to respond to this challenge because there are just going to more and more of these flat-hitting monsters in the future who are totally unfazed by high, heavy topspin.


scineram Says:

Here is how to change someone’s game fundamentally: make him twelve year old and train.


scineram Says:

Today if Verdasco and Federer win, then Delpo out, Federer in, Verdasco and Muray to battle out.
If Delpo and Murray win, Verdasco out, Murray in, Federer, Delpo to battle out.


madmax Says:

Newsflash – fed isnt going to retire! how many more times are people going to say this? go read recent interviews on his medium and long term plans – wishful thinking for some of you.

Agreed that fed is going to have to bring his A game to the court against murray, but he is someone also who has a B, C and D game. It’s his to lose –

It should be a great match with pressures – of course – on both sides – murray with the crowd pressure, fed with the ranking, match and beating murray – go fed go!


jane Says:

Good match between Verdasco and Delpotro. Tough to say who’ll win, but I’d lean slight towards Delpo.


devastatingdjokovic Says:

Madmax, I know Federer isn’t going to retire. But neither is Nadal.

Another 3 setter!!! Man, just goes to show you how out of form Nadal really is. But things could change.


Sean Randall Says:

I guess it’s somewhat odd that after a full round of play Nadal is the only player yet to win a set!


jane Says:

Delpo has raised his level at the moment. If he can play like this versus Fed or Murray next match, there’s no reason he couldn’t win. Will he play the winner of Fed/Murray?


David Says:

Jane

Why would Delpo play Murray again? He already played him in the first match. He has to play Fed because that will be the only guy he hasn’t played.


jane Says:

Hmmm…patchy performance. Delpo just broken. He really tensed up when he had the chance to serve it out. Weird.


contador Says:

oh no! c’mon delpo. he let too many opportunities slip by…or did he just get too tight?


jane Says:

David, I have no idea; this round robin thing confuses me. I don’t really get how it works. Hence I asked.


devastatingdjokovic Says:

First matches: highest seed plays with lowest seed and the other 2 play each other.

Second matches: winner vs winner, loser vs loser.

Third matches: who ever hasn’t played each other plays each other.


O-Kerr Says:

Nadal blogs to his fans.

Hi everyone,

I suppose that the question today to me that isn’t shown here is why did I lose? Well, it is simple. I didn’t play the way I had to play, the way I know how to play and that it is taking me to have it back.

I felt without that confidence in the right moments, I felt a bit lack on that concentration in those points and that was it.

I came back to the locker room and there was Toni and the rest of the team waiting for me. Those are sad moments, believe me. We are down, not much talking in the locker room, serious faces… Then Toni starts analyzing points and the game and well… it is not the end of the World!. He is right. But it hurts to lose!

And I am also sad for all those fans who want me to win…

One more thing!

Forgot to say that at least I got a prize today!!!. Raul Zurutuza, the Tournament Director of the Acapulco event gave me the trophy I’d lost back in 2005 when going to the airport!. Here’s the picture!.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/rafael_nadal/2009/11/rafas-blog-it-hurts-to-lose-i-am-sorry-to-my-fans-in-london-.html


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Folks are writing Rafa off far too quickly. As far as retooling his game, Rafa has successfully done this, and showed it in his Wonder Year between spring ’08 and ’09.
This meant coming in closer to the baseline, losing some topspin (racquet going above opposite instead of same shoulder) and massively improving his serve. Remember that Rafa was probably the 2nd or 3rd best all-court player in the world BEFORE his Wonder Year, and then had a full year as the best on all surfaces. So even Rafa 1.0 is a threat outside clay, while Rafa 2.0 was, for a while, #1.
Since his injury however, he seems to have abandoned that game and reverted to 06-07 Rafa 1.0… but with the Monster missing.
Something is definitely wrong with Rafa’s psyche- he used to want it more than his opponent on each point, AND believe he could deliver. Right now I don’t see either.
Yes, its possible his domination will be short lived, its even possible that he will drop out of the top five. But its FAR too early to bank on that.
The idea that he will retire if he doesn’t win the French, or that Fed will retire if he doesn’t win Wimbledon, is ludicrous. These men are champions, and they will not lose faith in themselves as quickly as the fans do.
I look forward to an awesome 2nd match today.


jane Says:

Thanks for clarifying DD.

Good post at 12:37 Tennis Vagabond. I agree that Nadal has shown already in the past the ability to adjust his game and the ability to rise to a challenge. But why can’t people put things in context. If Fed fans will recall, for instance, Fed has had low points as well, relatively speaking, and that is sometimes as much to do with what’s going on off court as much on it. All the players go through ups and downs. Maybe Rafa is still working through what happened with his parents. He’s a great champ, but he’s human.


devastatingdjokovic Says:

I don’t fully understand this “retooling” idea being thrown around regarding Nadal. What exactly does he have to “retool”? I’m not a fan of Nadal but I’ve said that the one thing that I love about Nadal is his forehand when he’s playing well. Does anyone remember that this is the same guy who destroyed the field at RG 08? A field that included Djokovic AND Federer. Then went on to make the finals rather comfortable at Wimbledon before winning an epic over Federer. And after losing to Djokovic he rebounded and got revenge on a hard court in Beijing. Continued his success by making his first USO semi and barely lost to a much fresher Murray in 4 sets. And then rounded all that off with a superb Australian Open and Indian Wells. Or has everyone forgotten? And what everyone seems to be forgetting is the way Nadal played during this run. It’s not simply about his results but how he got those results. He’s made finals and semifinals recently but he wasn’t playing the same way. So he suddenly needs to “retool” his game? Why? He’s shown he HAS the game. He’s got MORE than the game. What always pissed me off and yet amazed me about Nadal was that he became an incredibly great aggressive player who had unbelievable natural defense that helped him become a dominant champion. There’s a reason I gave up on trying to prove Federer is better despite the h2h, because Nadal, at his best, is just insane. He doesn’t have to retool his game, he needs to get that consistency back.

Everyone says how Federer blew chances and did this and served that in the AO final. And people here have said that he had to wear Federer down over the course of 5 sets but couldn’t have won otherwise. That’s a bunch of hooey. Federer should be praised for somehow taking that match to 5. I have the match and have rewatched parts here and there in each of the sets. Nadal was playing unbelievably well hitting winners off of anything Federer gave him. Had Federer’s serve been clicking better, I still don’t think he would’ve won. Nadal was just better. He was playing aggressively and doing his whole never-miss-a-shot-ever thing. Nadal’s gotta go back to that but he doesn’t need to “retool” anything. No one ever told Federer to “retool” his game to beat Nadal on clay, they just told him to do something different assuming he’s capable of it. People underestimate Nadal big time.


jane Says:

Excellent post DD @1:13. So little credit is given to Rafa sometimes. You’re right; maybe he doesn’t have to “retool” at all, and maybe this is just a mental slump due to the injury & parents stuff. He’s won a slam on every single surface; enough said.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

DD, as I said in my post, that whole year of domination from Nadal came after he HAD retooled his game. Recall all the commentary from that period of how smart a player Nadal was, how he had adjusted. Just look at the service speeds he has shown at Wimbledon over the years and you will see that he HAS made big adjustments since arriving as #2.
OK, maybe retooling implies a total makeover- but there’s no denying that he made some major adjustments to be successful on faster courts. Watching him now, I feel like he’s lost those adjustments and reverted to his earlier game. But it IS hard to judge because he just looks more messy than anything else.


contador Says:

he (nadal) looks pale, thin and unwell. another tough end to 2009, like 2008. maybe he could “retool” his schedule, then we could actually see if he can win on a fast hard court (us open) and manage to come out on top at the year end finals.

no disrespect to the clay court king but it’s pretty obvious there are too many players excelling on indoor hard court at the moment and this is not nadal’s time of year.

i’m already nervous about nolee playing le sod! a condfident le sod is frightening. something has me on edge….oh ya, the fed v murray match is about to commence! arrrrrrgh


David Says:

dd

Totally agree that “retooling” at this point is just a silly concept. He has plenty of “tools” in his arsenal and they’re what got him to No. 1 in the world for a brief stint. He’s obviously improved his serve a bit over the years and added the backhand slice, developed a bit more aggressiveness off the ground. But Nadal is Nadal just like Djoko is Djoko and Fed is Fed. They’re never going to deviate that far from the game that got them to the professional ranks and then the top of the game in the first place. Guys do go through ups and downs and no doubt we’ll see Rafa back in the winner’s circle again, although I do think it will always be very difficult for him to beat guys like Djoko, Sod, JMDP, etc.

As far as getting tired of proving Fed is better than Nadal, as most knowledgeable tennis fans know, the game is all about match-ups. Nadal matches up great against Fed and that’s why he was giving him fits back in 2004 when Fed was on top of the world and Rafa was a guy ranked outside the top 50. But Rafa struggles with many players that Fed brushes aside 9 times out of 10 (Soderling and Davydenko come to mind). And it’s his versatility and the fact he has had only one nemesis his whole career that is the reason for his mindboggling record and what makes him clearly “better” than everyone, including Rafa.


ines Says:

It also annoys me how people bash Rafa and Roger too.How do they can say they have to retire being N1 and N2 in the world???May be they aren´t so dominant as they have been before, young players have a lot to show yet.I´m a Fedfan but I think Nadal is a great champion too.
sORRY i´m italian and my English is so poor…


devastatingdjokovic Says:

“And it’s his versatility and the fact he has had only one nemesis his whole career”

I’ll let you take that back before I prove you miserably wrong.

I agree that it’ll always be difficult but there’s just no way Nadal is never gonna beat any of these guys on hard courts again. Berdych and Blake used to own Nadal and it was because of that very match up but he’s turned his h2h’s around against them. Djoko, JMDP, and even Sod will be tougher outs and I doubt he’ll turn hc h2h around against Djoker or JMDP, but that doesn’t mean he’ll never get a win over them. Nadal’s greatest year might be behind him but that doesn’t mean he can’t have other great years. Federer’s greatest year was 06 but that doesn’t mean 07, 09, and even 08 were not great years.


madmax Says:

Contador – I thought you were a delpo fan?

DD,

devastatingdjokovic Says:
Madmax, I know Federer isn’t going to retire. But neither is Nadal.

I never said that Nadal was going to retire! –

It gets me everytime when people talk about federer or rafa retiring. My God. These guys are champions ! WTF!

This time is reminiscent of roger, ‘poor’ start to 2008 season (but any ‘lesser ranked’ player) would have killed for fed’s ‘off year’ –

Rafa is experiencing a similar high/low times during 2009 – but – it has to be said DD, rafa is different, in physique, and in stature/play – he doesnt seem to have that aggression on court that he once had (and I am not saying that he isnt going to get it back – that’s a mental thing)

Federer HAD to evolve, HAD to change his game – he was comfortable for too long – and I am sorry, but anyone who said in the past that Fed’s game decreased – I absolutely, wholeheartedly disagree – because – Fed’s game was so unique, was so high, he raised the bar, set the standard -the other players had to raise THEIR game to even try and get close to roger. Rafa was able to do that on clay – hands down – but roger still fought his way to the finals at FO 3 times – that should NOT be underestimated, DD. I have watched the AO too, and I believe it was federer’s serve that let him down in the fifth set – no question – just go look at replay and the stats – without a first serve, fed was in trouble – if his first serve was on – fed would have had an equal chance to have won the AO, you take your opportunities when your oponent plays under par, part of the game –

Now to murray and fed. God, feeling sick already, but once again, DD, I admire your utter heroworship of Safin in ‘days gone by’ – what to do? what to do? in those ‘tricky’ moments – ?

I’ll take Jane’s advice and stick by the fed, through thick and thin, and seriously believe and want, yes WANT! federer to win! Just have to believe DD, have to believe in my man!


David Says:

Ok, please prove me miserably wrong. I’m waiting. All those players that bothered Roger and kept him from consistently reaching the late stages of Slams. Oh wait…

As far as Nadal, sure he can beat that type of player even on hard courts. He just beat Tsonga a couple of weeks ago. But the trouble is the Tour right now is like a minefield for Rafa. If Berdych doesn’t get him in round 3, then he may have to play Cilic. If he can get by Cilic, then it’s Soderling, then Djoko, etc.


devastatingdjokovic Says:

Ines, you’re 10000000000% right. For fans to ponder it’s one thing, I just don’t understand why the media is asking Fed about retirement. He’s not even close to where Sampras was leading to his retirement. Federer is the current holder of 2 of the 4 slams and he’s number 1 in the world. Nadal currently holds 1 of the slams is number 2 in the world. WHY WOULD THEY RETIRE? Why would they even THINK about retiring? Do people really expect Federer and Nadal to be the next Borg and Henin? Idiots.


madmax Says:

yey! DD! Media are idiots! IDIOTS, I tell you!

They have nothing better to do! You see, it’s all about Murray in a ‘backhanded’ (‘xcuse the pun’), sort of way – dont you see?

All about bigging up murray, and disrespecting the fed and the rafa! this is what they do!


Daniel Says:

DD, regarding your 1:13 post, c’mon!

Federer won 2 sets 6-3 in the AO 2009 and you say that if he had served better he would not have won it, because Nadal stelar play! Give me a break. They both played great and as always Nadal played some big points better during 4 sets, but had Federer won a tiebreak that match wouldn’t even went to a fifth, which was a different match, Federer collapsed.

As much as you now turned into an “I don’t support Federer anymore mode”, you kind of are taking credit from him also.
4 finals in Grand Slam this year: 2 he served great and won it, 2 he didn’t and the opponents needed 5 sets to beat him.

And you above all people saying that Nadal stellar play at 08 is un matchable is laughable. Federer 2006 and Safin (remember him) AO 2005 run wins by large.


jane Says:

Daniel,

Perhaps Fed’s serving wasn’t as good as it’s been in other matches; however, when you write this: “They both played great and as always Nadal played some big points better during 4 sets, but had Federer won a tiebreak that match wouldn’t even went to a fifth” then you’re playing a futile game.

After all, one could turn around and say the exact same thing about the Wimbledon final in 2008. Nadal could’ve won that in straight sets, if not 4 sets.

But that’s all coulda, woulda, shoulda.

Nadal outplayed Fed in the AO final. That’s what matters really.


jane Says:

sar, what’s up with Nestor/Zims? Worn out I guess. Looks like Bryans will clinch year end number 1, which is fine. I just wish Nestor and Zims were doing a little better here.


devastatingdjokovic Says:

I never said Federer didn’t play amazing. From what I saw, and I already stated this, I thought Nadal was playing too good and I’m amazed that Federer was able to take it to 5. And the fact that Federer had chances to go up 2 sets to 1 amazes me that much more. 6-3 is only 1 break, don’t forget. Either way, I’m not talking about the score, I’m talking about the play itself.

How the hell can you compare Safin’s AO run to Nadal’s 2008 run. A slam vs a year? I can’t even come up with a ludicrous enough analogy to show you how incomparable the 2 are.

As amazing as Federer’s 06 was, he didn’t have the kind of stretch Nadal did. Comparing the 2 years is hard but there are important things to note. 1) Nadal had a 32 match winning streak that went from Hamburg to semis of Cincy. The streak consisted of 2 MS and 2 GS. As soon as that streak was snapped, he rebounded by winning the Olympics and reaching the semis of another GS. Federer’s longest streak was 41 and it started from the USO and ended in IW of 07. While that streak consisted of 2 GS, 1 MS, and 1 TMC, they weren’t that close together. Federer not only had time to regroup but his competition wasn’t as rigorous as Nadal’s. This isn’t a knock at the general competition but the time period and how the competition tends to weaken and die down somewhat during the indoor season. Federer beat Nadal once during his win streak whereas Nadal beat Federer 3 times. Again, don’t take this as a Federer sucks or something, because yes it was Nadal’s responsibility to get to Federer. And chances are, if Nadal had gotten to him, Federer would have won. But the point is that all 3 times Nadal DID have to face Federer, he won all 3 times. And one of the most significant things was that Nadal won 3 huge events on all 3 surfaces, RG, Wimbledon, and the Olympics. Federer’s 41 match win streak was all hard courts. When you say laughable, it just shows how blinded you are to other players’ achievements. I think, overall, Federer’s 06 was better then Nadal’s simply because of the unquestionable dominance he displayed whereas Nadal didn’t look like number 1 until Apirl. But comparing a slam run to a year doesn’t make any sense.

Now as for proving you wrong. Let’s see. Hewitt, Nalbandian, and Henman were all Federer nemesises. Henman spoiled Federer’s Basel dreams here and there, Nalbandian beat Federer at the 03 USO right after Fed won Wimbledon, and Hewitt was Federer’s puppet master. All these guys troubled Federer a lot and were bad match ups for him. Murray is getting to be a real thorn in Fed’s side also because of the match up. Despite the lopsided h2h, I’d call Roddick a nemesis, too, considering the number of times they’ve played. If Roddick doesn’t count because he never denied Federer a slam, then Haas should count for beating Federer at the AO a few years back denying Federer a birth in the QFs or SFs (I don’t remember). Henman spoiled Fed’s Wimbledon party in 01 by beating him right after Fed took out Sampras. The guy’s had plenty of nemesises. It’s just that, since he is the greatest player of all time, he’s been able to overcome them. That doesn’t mean that they’re not former nemesises. Nadal is Federer’s ARCHnemesis. But not his only one. For the love of tennis, give other players credit.


madmax Says:

Oh Jane!

You know how much I love your posts. But I simply cannot agree with your comment about the greatest match ever played – wimby 2008 – EPIC Jane, EPIC.

So close, remember federer had match point at one stage of the tournament – so close Jane, so close. Could have gone either way. This time, it was rafa’s day – shocking for fed fans – I cried, I was so upset – but I fully respect the majesty of that match – fully.

C’mon Federer! He HAS to play well! c’moon Roge!
TODAY federer. Be unbelievable (in a positive way!).


contador Says:

madmax? yep. i’m a delpo fan. very happy he blew match points and still managed to win today. the end was especially sad for tobasco.

i’m first and foremost a fedfan- but i don’t enjoy watching federer lose! which is a distinct possibility lately. i’ll kinda be doing other stuff to distract myself during the match.

where is “i am it”, the play by play guy?


madmax Says:

Jane!

Roddick is on TV! I love roddick! Go Andy!

He looks great, fresh and ready to go for next year – also in the commentary box is Goran Ivenesevic – what a babe!


devastatingdjokovic Says:

When did Federer have match points at Wimbledon?

I don’t think it was the greatest match ever. I think the Safin-Federer match was the greatest. I don’t care if I’m biased, Safin and Federer at their best are gods.


madmax Says:

contador! Forgive me for asking, but are you zoey from TT? – only that you used to use ‘ya’ a lot over there – it’s maxi by the way – I havent posted on TT for a few months – too much criticism and horrible vibes from anti fans over there – it really is massively informative on Tennis.X, I learn so much – especially from I am it – he is doing his Phd right now – a post from him a few days ago – Huh has gone away for a while too – but ‘been there’ is here and DD is ACE. I love him too.

Oh I love federer so much! Atmosphere is building. Feeling sick.


madmax Says:

DD,

It was the greatest match EVER!


jane Says:

Hi madmax,

I only meant to point out that Wimbledon 2008 was very close also, like the AO 2009; realistically, BOTH matches could have gone either way in my opinion. Anytime there is a 5 setter in a grand slam final, I usually think it can go either way. But it’s true that Wimbledon 2008 was very tight and very exciting, even though sad for Fed-fans.

I like Roddick a lot too! Unfortunately, I cannot watch as I am at work right now. I hope it’s a good match!


jane Says:

DD: I’ll go along with you on the Safin /Fed AO 2005 semifinal; that’s been one of my favorite tennis matches ever. Wowsa!


sar Says:

N&Z were listless. The commies said that this is not the Nestor we are used to seeing. He was not serving well and just looking awkward at the net. To be fair they both weren’t “on.”

I’m not sure it’s the Bryans to take. Bhupathi and Knowles look great.


madmax Says:

Jane,

just started, federer chose to receive – oh my god Jane! First point! It’s already the longest rally in the match (teehee!). It’s going to be a thriller! Phew!

Fed just won the first point.

I am hyperventilating – must see TV.


madmax Says:

intense – murray just served a double fault 30:15 to fed on Murray’s serve.


madmax Says:

2 break points to fed
murray serving 15:40


madmax Says:

30:40 to murray.

I am it! Where are you!

c’mon fed!


Kimo Says:

Can anyone tell me who won the coin toss and what they chose?


madmax Says:

4 minutes gone

first game to fed with a big C’MON! (that’s what I love about fed!).

Jane,

this is gonna be a good match – even great!


madmax Says:

Whatever happens, fed has started aggressive. This is what he needs to do, throughout the match.

Okay. keep it together fed. 15:30 on fed’s serve.


Kimo Says:

Neither player is serving great, although Fed has the advantage of a much better 2nd serve.

Fed is dictating play, and if his forehand is working tonight, which remains to be seen after three games, he’s gonna have a good night.


Kimo Says:

Did you see that slice 2nd serve down the T from Fed? How many players can do that? Honestly? :)


steve Says:

David: you’ve hit the nail on the head.

Yes, Nadal has flattened out his backhand, developed a reliable slice, improved his serve, learned how to volley, etc. But the core of his game remains the same.

He has to do a lot of running and hit a lot of shots to win the point. That hasn’t changed, and it won’t ever change. As he loses a bit of footspeed, it will become harder for him to make those insane gets and ridiculous passing shots that are his trademark.

He’ll still be able to play at a pretty high level, just not absolute domination.


Long Live the King Says:

Fed had no match points in Wimbledon 08 final. He saved match points in the 4th set and had 2 break points early in the 5th set, as i remember.

Along with Hamburg 08, I think Roger lost the wimbledon 08 and AO 09, more than Nadal winning it. This is no knock on Nadal, but the Roger of 04-07 would not have let 5-0 and 5-1 leads evaporate like he did at Hamburg and Wimbledon. You can say all you want about 2 players being in the match, but Roger serving at his best would not let double breaks vanish. Just no freaking way.

His game had already fell off the lofty perch it was in 04-07. Federer at his best would not lose to Rafa’s best (evidenced so far) on grass (he would win 90%) and hard courts he would win atleast 70% of the matches assuming they play year round on all the MS and slam hard courts.


Kimo Says:

Fed is not shanking as many forehands as he did against Verdasco. Good sign.


Daniel Says:

DD, I was not referring to Safin AO run better than Rafa’s entire year, but the single tennis display. When Fed or Safin or even Nalbandian are in the zone, too me and the old you I believe, are far better than Nadal’s. Appart from RG 2008 where Nadal were in seventh haven, all this other guys display better tennis than him.

And you are conveniently forgeting Feder’s 18 or 19 finals in one year. 2006 is an unprecedent tennis year for any tennis player in the open era. Period!


Kimo Says:

Long Live, I agree with you about the Wimbledon 08 final. Roger was not in the match for the first two sets, and his serve was not as good as it was at this years final (50 aces in that match).


Long Live the King Says:

I agree that safin/Roger AO 2005 was the greatest tennis match. Either of those players that day would have crushed Rafa in straights. (I dont care if Rafa was just 18 then ;)

Seriously though, Fed and Safin are 2 of the most talented guys to pick up a tennis racquet. Just terrific shotmakers, who can hurt you with serve, return, groundstrokes and net game. Just mind-boggling thinking of these 2 at their very prime.


contador Says:

madmax: yes ‘contador’ is the more mellow posting version of ‘zoey’ lol…tho zoey has mellowed as well.

nice to find you here. but this match has my stomach in knots. for some reason, i didn’t get like this watching nole v fed or delpo v fed; i think it’s a low tolerance to murray’s personality on court that gets me. i dunno. i mean, murray is bound to win more than lose at this stage…i should get used to it.

i’m offline madmax. forgive me, i can’t take it. the highlights will have to be enough! cheers! enjoy the match


Daniel Says:

You have to give credit to Murray, he always serve and play well against Federer. He may end slamless as DD points out, but he sure will get some wins against Fed.


O-Kerr Says:

If Federer goes in straight which is about to happen, there will be a pseudo national holiday in UK tomorrow. Headlines: Murray beats a 15-time Grand Slam champion. C.E.L.E.B.R.A.T.I.O.N. Not a good day for Federer fans.


O-Kerr Says:

where is the effing King? UK says the King is frigging dead. Murray is the new king in making. Bow to the new king.


jane Says:

Indeed, Murray knows how to play Fed. But his serving was sure inconsistent to finish off the set; he was going for it, so aces or doubles. He’ll have to be careful if he wants to finish this off, as it’s not like Fed’s playng badly.


jane Says:

First serve percetanges after the first set: Fed 50%, Murray 47%~!


Kimmi Says:

They say murray is not aggressive, I tell you he knows when to turn it up. Helped by Federer errors, he was also aggressive in this set.


madmax Says:

great comment from you O’kerr.

contador,

I know what you mean – fed has to remain aggressive and get the balance a bit more – this is it – for fed fans that total roller coaster ride –

more volleys fed. Contador. Am going to clean my bathroom now – Jane knows what I mean!

Phew.


jane Says:

What are the crowd acting like? I have scores only at the moment.


Daniel Says:

As we were talking about Fed’s serve, he goes aceless during this set!


O-Kerr Says:

Don’t worry at least he King’s people have something to regress into the glory days of the past.


Kimmi Says:

jane, crowd was chanting “murray, murray” when he broke federer.


Long Live the King Says:

Murray ending slamless? Thats just stupid. He’s going to win a USopen and wimbledon for sure. Lot of people thought Fed would end up as an under achiever after he lost in the 1st round at FO 2003. Fed turned everything upside down in a matter of 12 months and never looked back.

Its just a matter of time. I have seen people wonder if Djokovic will remain a 1-slam wonder after the US open. I bet they are wishing they didn’t jump the ship too soon, now. Murray has the tools to be a GS champion. He is for sure not ending slamless. I will bet my house on it. :)


O-Kerr Says:

“They say murray is not aggressive, I tell you he knows when to turn it up.”

So true.


Kimmi Says:

Murray is playing bigs points very well too..hitting his spots on the 1st serve


Daniel Says:

Murray’s last 3 games went on deuce and he saved a dew break points.


jane Says:

Madmax – look on the bright side; you’ll have a clean house come what may!

I agree Long Live – no way Murray is going slamless. He’s going to win a slam soon, probably in 2010. I want to see him up his concentration level over 5 set matches, but I know he can do it.

Daniel – true, this is not one of Fed’s best serving displays! But, note that Murray’s first serve % has dropped to 43% while Fed’s has risen to 56%. Fed also served better toward the end versus Verdasco so this match is still unpredictable. One does sense that it’ll take only one break to determine matters though. Be it to push it to a third or end the match.


Long Live the King Says:

One thing that Murray has, is that he is a smart player. He has got tennis smarts. Like Roger, Like Hingis. That I think is Roger’s biggest problem when he plays murray.

Unlike djokovic or Nadal, its not simple solving what murray throws. He mixes things up much more than ND or rafa can ever do. In a way he does to Roger, what Roger does to other. I think murray can make Roger appear clueless. Nadal and Dj might over power or out play him, but they cant do what murray does.

Obviously I am talking about hardcourts here.


O-Kerr Says:

The dead King gets momentary resurrection here.


Kimmi Says:

Now we are seing the federer the MAGICIAN


Daniel Says:

Yeah Jane. But when Murray puts a first serve in is almost point for him. The game he was broken Fed returned 2 excelent serves to went 0-30. And Fed’s forehand is killer again, he didnt’t miss one in a long time.


Kimmi Says:

OK, we have the third set..can the poor third set federer make it ?


andrea Says:

go roger. i’m only watching on live scoring which is painful.


Kimo Says:

When Fed is on his game, he is something to behold.

I’m at work now. Anyone got a website with live streaming?

PLEAAAAAAAAAAASE.


steve Says:

This isn’t how the pattern of their matches goes; it’s usually Federer who takes the first set.

Whoever can sustain his intensity better over the next set will take it. I would bet Federer has the slight edge there.

Sadly, I can only read the BBC’s live blog.


Kimmi Says:

Goodall says he has not seen fed play like this since US Open ? What a display by the fed..can he keep it up ?


Kimo Says:

steve, can u post the URL of that BBC page?


Daniel Says:

Nice move by Fed. break point he returned slice deep into Murray’s backhand and attacked the net. Murray, taken by surprise miss the passing shot in the net.


Kimo Says:

Goodall and Koenig must be pissing themselves by now. Biased hypocrites.


Kimo Says:

GO ROGGGEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!


Daniel Says:

Another return winner by fed on Murray’s second serve, 5 by my count already.


Kimmi Says:

Lost a picute on my stream…TennisTV whats happening ?


Kimo Says:

Thanks steve.

Boy, sounds like Fed is really fired up. Man, does he hate Murray or what!!! LOL


O-Kerr Says:

King Federer becomes phoenix on this rare occasion and rises out of the ashes. Wow, he is about to dethrone the newly coronated mini king !


Kimmi Says:

What is happening, I have lost a picture ..does anybbody else using tennistv here ?


Kimo Says:

Man I wish I could see THE MIGHTY FED right now. I’m crying over here.


steve Says:

You’re welcome, Kimo.


Kimo Says:

O-kerr said:

“Wow, he is about to dethrone the newly coronated mini king”

The only ones who crowned Murray king are folks in the British media.


Kimmi Says:

Oh no..Murray please make it close..


jane Says:

Fed’s serving had consistently gotten better, he’s at 64%, whereas Murray is at 43%, and Murray needs a stronger 2nd serve.

I think it’s safe to say congrats to Fed; he’s a man on a mission tonight.

But bummer for Murray. He needs to keep working at it! margot sorry re: Murray’s loss. :(


Kimo Says:

Anyone wanna bring up Fed’s record in three setters now? No? Didn’t think so. HAHAHAHA


O-Kerr Says:

Wow, Federer totally demolished the pride of UK. Sad day for the Brits. Long live tennis.


Kimmi Says:

Now it comes back..can you believe this tennistv..they have messed up the whole third set..mad mad mad


Kimo Says:

And you guys have to remember that they’re playing on A SLOW HARD COURT, which is Murray’s best surface. Remembering how back at Wimbledon people though Murray could be Fed on grass almost seems laughable now. LOL


Kimo Says:

And when Murray raced to a 6-2 lead in their H2H everybody was like: Murray has Fed’s number. They forgot that Fed was barely able to serve with his bad back.

Murray’s winning record over Fed is an anomaly. Only Rafa has a justified lead over Fed in their H2H, despite the fact that their clay H2H is a lot bigger than their matches would suggest.


Long Live the King Says:

What a slap on the face of the Fed haters :) Like one of those regal Roger forehands!

LONG LIVE THE KING!


Kimo Says:

Long Live The King Said:

“Long Live The King!”

Long Live The King!!!
Long Live The King!!!
Long Live The King!!!


Kimo Says:

I must admit, I try to be gracious when Roger wins any match. But beating Murray? Oh that just tastes soooooo sweeeeetttttt.


fadingis Says:

against the odds federer beats murray in a 3 seter


Kimo Says:

I told you before Paris guys, you can check it out, that Fed will not give Paris his best and then would go to the WTF and set the record straight about who is DA MAN.


fadingis Says:

what happend too murray? did he get scared?


Kimo Says:

Murray only took the first set because Fed had a bad service game at 2-3, going down 0-40. The first set was pretty even. I didn’t get to watch the other sets, but looks like Roger proved that he wasn’t running his mouth off when he said that the attacker holds his fate in his hands.


Kimmi Says:

Congrats the maestro. Sad for Murray, his game just fell apart. he needs to serve better than this and second serve was very poor, fed was eating it for breakfast. I hope Murray win against verdasco, needs this match big time.

Now back to the fed..commentators said if Murray had won this match, he would have qualified but now federer won..he is not qualified yet. Why ? does not make sense to me.


Kimo Says:

fadinigs said:

“what happend too murray? did he get scared?”

No, he’s just a lesser player. If Murray is ever going to win a Slam he has to get out of this habit of playing most of the match defensively, it doesn’t work against the best players.


Gordo Says:

It is being reported that Federer took a bathroom break after the first set and in the dressing room he went online with his laptop and went to this site. He saw that Sean Randall had picked Murray to win, and this gave Federer the confidence he needed to go out and kick the Scot’s ass.

Thanks Sean!


fadingis Says:

the 2 set federer played better and in the third murray gave up.


jimbojones Says:

Glad Federer is #1 for the year and glad he did it with a win and not a Rafa loss. The sets count is Federer 4-2, Murray 3-3, Del Potro 3-3 and Verdasco 2-4. If JMDP were to straight set Federer and Murray straight set Verdasco they would advance to the semis right? If Fed wins over JMDP and Verdasco sweeps Murray would Fed and Verdasco go to the semis? I love round robins in one sense but in another it is hard to figure who goes where.


O-Kerr Says:

A 28-year OLD old man beats the most talented young star of the UK since 1930s, Fred Perry. Two in a row. The old man is vindicated that he is still the man to beat. A big sigh of relief in the Federer camp.


fadingis Says:

or wasa out of gas


Kimo Says:

Kimmi, Fed has not qualified yet because he’s yet to face Delpo who was the winner of the other match. Had Murray won, he only has Verdasco to face and he lost. In other words. Verdasco is definitely out, so even if he beat Murray, Murray would still qualify.


fed/Nadal Says:

Hi everyone!
I find it hilarious I’m a big fed fan but love nadale too. I find it so funny the way people write fed off on this site, I have been reading this blogs ect for a year. I was very surprised in the whole in the trunk thing and about how fed is owned by dk.Come on it seems people jump onto the band wagon so quickly when federer losses. He won against jok in the us open and cin so I really don’t know what people are talking about. Hey ? Are people going to be saying tomorrow fed owns muray I bet not!


steve Says:

Age and wisdom have triumphed over youth and brashness.

Usually that makes me feel sad, but not in Federer’s case.


Kimmi Says:

jimbojones..I agree. its so confusing right now


Kimo Says:

Correction, Verdasco would qualify if he beats Murray in straights, but had Murray beaten Federer, Verdasco would have been out.


fed/Nadal Says:

And slash andy lovers so much for andy winning im sorry fed rules. Maybe Tomorrow the new thing will be blah blah what ever andy made this mistake aka go back to the trunk.


Gordo Says:

Kimo – I still do not get it.

Say Fed beats Delpo in 2 days and Verdasco beats Murray. Then Fed is 3-0 and the other guys are all 1-2. What is the tiebreaking method?

Similarly, if Fed loses to Delpo while Murray beats Verdasco then Verdasco is out at 0-3, but the other 3 dudes all have 2-1 counts.

Do they tiebreak by number of games played? Or by sets first? Does anybody know?


Long Live the King Says:

Great to see people make jack-asses out of themselves for free. FREE BONUS ENTERTAINMENT! only on tennis-x :)


Kimmi Says:

Kimo..thanks..but the commentator said Verdasco is still in ? Goodall words exactly “verdasco should thank federer for beating murray, because now he is still in it”


Kimmi Says:

Kimo, I post my question before I saw your answer…let me try to digest.


Kimo Says:

If I had to guess I would say that Murray would have wanted to beat Fed in London more than actually winning the whole thing. I mean, here’s a guy who desperately want to be taken seriously, especially by Fed, and the fact that Fed dismisses him for a defensive baseliner with a simple game bugs the hell out of him. So he comes out trying to prove to Federer that “You know what? This simple game can kick your a$$”, and for a second there he thought he did just that, but Fed answered him back “Behave yourself kid, or I’ll smack you”.

Love it. I love tennis.


sar Says:

Sorry to all Murray fans and congrats to all Fed fans.

Feed died as soon as Federer broke Murray in the
3rd set. Screwy. It looked to me like Fed was on a mission due to Murray’s jawing lately. It doesn’t do any good to say you have a better head to head or you can beat him in 3 setters because Fed will come back with…I beat Murray when it counts. Djokovic stopped jawing with Fed and they have officially made up. I like that they are getting along now. Much better on my nerves.


scineram Says:

Yes.


Kimo Says:

Ok, let me explain it slowly guys.

Had Murray won, he will meat an 0-2 loser in Verdasco, so even if Verdasco beats him, murray would have still been 2-1, which would qualify him.

Not the same with Fed. He’s now 2-0 and will face someone who is 1-1, so if JMDP beats him in straights, JMDP qualifies along with Murray.

That better?


Kimmi Says:

sar..me too tennistv died..and I was screaming here “who else is watching tennistv ?#@$%^&” Frustrating it was.


andrea Says:

wow. just had time to check the final score. 3rd set blow out!

don’t know where everyone else sits, but how does a roger/soderling final sound?

i forgot….do they still play best of 5 in the finals?


O-Kerr Says:

Jackass =
“Murray ending slamless? Thats just stupid. He’s going to win a USopen and wimbledon for sure.”

“One thing that Murray has, is that he is a smart player. He has got tennis smarts. Like Roger, Like Hingis. That I think is Roger’s biggest problem when he plays murray.

Unlike djokovic or Nadal, its not simple solving what murray throws. He mixes things up much more than ND or rafa can ever do. In a way he does to Roger, what Roger does to other. I think murray can make Roger appear clueless.”


scineram Says:

Slapsgiving 2
Revenge of the Slap

Just like last night.


Kimmi Says:

“Not the same with Fed. He’s now 2-0 and will face someone who is 1-1, so if JMDP beats him in straights, JMDP qualifies along with Murray.”

Kimo; that is better but maaaaan oh man..so bad situation for the fed..would not want that to happen at all.


Kimmi Says:

ATP says FEDERER is WORLD NUMBER ONE

Wooooow Congrats fed


Fed_finish_No_1 Says:

> “Kimo Says:
> I’m at work now. Anyone got a website with live > streaming?

> PLEAAAAAAAAAAASE.”

Try channelsurfingdotnet


Kimo Says:

Kimmi said:

“Kimo; that is better but maaaaan oh man..so bad situation for the fed..would not want that to happen at all.”

I’m not worried. Fed now knows his A-game is on, and he knows that when his A-game is on he can beat anybody. When he lost to JMDP in the USO he let the match slip away from him after he was totally dominating in the first set. Fed is a quick learner and won’t make the same mistake. Besides, it’s not like JMDP is back to his USO level.

WOW MAN….Fed just beat Murray IN LONDON!!!!

I really wanna celebrate.


jimbojones Says:

Federer is 4-2 in sets and JMDP is 3-3 if JMDP wins in 3 sets they’d each be 5-4 in terms of sets – what is the next way to break the tie? Games won and lost? If so those two 6-1 3rd sets help Roger a lot.


Gordo Says:

Weird scenario -

Fed is 2-0 in matches | 4-2 in sets
Murray and Delpo are 1-1 in matches | 3-3 in sets
Verdasco is 0-2 in matches | 2-4 in sets.

=============
Now what if Verdaso straight sets Murray?

Both guys would be 1-2, but Murray would be 3-5 in sets and Verdaso would be 4-4.

Now if Federer straight sets Delpo then Fed is through at 3-0, but Delpo is 1-2 and would also be 3-5 in sets.

Would Verdasco not get through in second place then???


Kimo Says:

I also believe that the “weak era” argument is now really off the table (it was never on the table for me). An off-peak Federer beat a Murray who was on a winning streak and who is considered the star of his generation besides JMDP and Djoko, so can you imagine what Murray would have done had he been up against the Federer of 04 to 06? Nothing. absolutely nothing. Fed would have still won all those slams, and he would have still been the man to beat. It’s not that the opposition was weak, it’s just than Federer was on a much, much higher plane from everybody else, past, present or future.


Kimo Says:

Gordo, Verdaso will qualify by your scenario, yes.


Kimo Says:

Verdasco is alive in the tournament only because Fed beat Murray. So in a way, he owes Fed. Now Verdy’s fate is in his own hands.


jimbojones Says:

Roger is at 258 total weeks at #1 now and will add at least 5 more weeks to that total before 2010 kicks any points into the mix. Connors finished with 268 and Lendl with 270. Of course Roger is stalking Pete’s all time record of 286 weeks at #1.


been there Says:

Wohoo! Madmax, I’m performing your dance right now :))):). There’ll be peace in the UK news outlets after all.

That was really good performance from Fed. Yes, first set was gone, but despite poor 3rd set records in the 2nd half of the season, once again, we are reminded NEVER count out Fed (& Rafa for that matter. Believe me, Rafa might surprise us and qualify for semis. Ok, I see how it’s easier to count them out in a 3 setter as opposed to 5 setter seeing that there’s very little time to recover, but still, these two champs know how to win it smooth or ugly, & when ugly calls, they either win, or go down fighting. Someone Give me a Fed-Rafa match right now!…am getting a wee bit nostalgic.

Back to the present, the good news for Murray is that he can continue bragging about his H2H record against Fed seeing that he’s still up 6-4. I fail to understand him. Rafa has very good reasons to brag…so does Gilles Simons but they don’t.

Ok, I’m off to read search more on the derisive comments directed to Greg Rudeski and Barry Cowan. I really want to believe that Murray didn’t say those things and it’s just the sensational British media trying to stir things up. Commentators can go OTT while giving advice, but surely, that’s there job & Murray should understand…he doesn’t have to take them. As a professional athlete, he could have deflected comments for him to be more aggressive in a better way…more like Fed & Rafa do when being criticized…they don’t agree, but still come across as polite. I’ll blame Murray’s inexperience with the media rather than age…I refuse to blame ‘youth’ for anything, after all, Rafa & Djoko are also in the same age group. Or perhaps I would need to hear him say them in video to get his tone…’coz sometimes reading something makes it come across much worse & derisive than the spoken reality.


SRM Says:

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Kimo Says:

Verdasco is alive in the tournament only because Fed beat Murray. So in a way, he owes Fed. Now Verdy’s fate is in his own hands.
======================================

Nope. Verdasco would still need help from Roger to beat Del Potro who already won a match.


Kimo Says:

SRM, you’re right, but still, he’s only alive coz Fed won.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Sweet match.
I’ve been very concerned the last while with Fed talking up his aggressive game plans, going hard the first set and then backing up and playng defensive (eg Soderling and DelPo at USO this year).
This time Fed played a fairly timid first set (after 1st couple games) but then he really seemed to ratchet up his game- a lot of flat winners, great net play, and some incredibly dedicated defense- chasing down balls like Rafa. Really some good loking play by Fed, but let’s be honest, Murray had some major serving problems today that probably made Fed look better.

I also throw my vote behind Fed/Safin as greatest match I’ve ever seen, although Fed/Nadal Wimbledon 08 is REALLY close. I also agree that Safin at his absolute best was on par with the greats- his demolition of Sampras at the USO was possibly the best I’ve ever seen anyone play.

Should be a great match between Soderling and Nole tomorrow although the Davy/Rafa one could just be a track meet with some tennis thrown in.


Maso Says:

That was a nice victory over Murray, though Andy completely lost his 1st serve in that match. Roger started off slow, losing that break that he got right from the start, but then as the match went on, he got sharper (and exploited Murray’s lack of success with his serving). Congratulations to Roger for another end of year #1 ranking! And we can still hope for a Roger-Rafa match, though Rafa would have to take out Davydenko and Djokovic which seems difficult at the moment, but who knows? And as been there said, you can never count out Nadal or Federer…


been there Says:

For Jane, Gordo & anyone else enquiring about the round-robin format, here’s what I got from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_ATP_World_Tour_Finals_-_Singles

Check out the small writings under the tables. Quite self-explanatory I think.

I don’t know at what point rule 3 is applied…I’m supposing it means tied in sets & games. So should Fed lose vs Del.P, and Murray vs, Verdasco, they’ll both be tied at 2-1 in matches played. So it will depend on how many sets & games Fed loses by or how many Murray wins by. No wonder Fed was in a rush to finish Murray off 6-1. In Rnd Robin, it’s better to finish off the opponent as quick as possible…everything is taken into account…someone can miss out on a semi-final spot by a single game! Quite cruel.

Check out a comparison of how Venus qualified for semis in Doha despite having a 1-2 match record. It all came down to sets won & lost between Venus, Kuzzy & Dementieva:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_WTA_Tour_Championships_%E2%80%93_Singles

This is why even Verdasco still has a chance.


Kimo Says:

I also think things are trickier this year with the RR format coz all group A matches have been three setters. That fact that Rafa is the only one in group B who lost in straights doesn’t bode well for him at all.


Long Live the King Says:

Jackass = O-kerr.

I dont even want to qualify your posts by quoting them!

Please do turn up for ur freak show tomorrow too when Rafa and Novak play :)

We will have fund for u, if u do want some donations.

No more posts to you OLD MAN/WOMAN


jhc Says:

dd,
you come across as an arrogant little teenage shite. of course, it may just be your writing style that gives that impression, and if that is so, i apologise in advance. the least you could do is to read and digest what people have to say before jumping down their throats with blanket statements of absolute certainty with a few big words (perhaps from your recent SAT tests?) thrown in.

it’s just completely moronic to suggest that rafa has not improved his game (other than his serve) in the last 2 years. moronic, you hear? and besides, the point of my initial post (at least) was to say that with the recent reports that he has lost weight and muscle to relieve the pressure on his knees, his body has changed. a direct result of this (and anyone who plays anything other than video games will tell you this is true) is that he will absolutely need to readjust his shots and his playing style to accomodate that changed body.

ok, now quickly post a retort without bothering to reflect on anything i’ve said. good boy…


Gordo Says:

Kimo – Verdasco’s fate is in his own hands only so far as he has to straight set Murray to stand a chance of advancing. To make it into second place he must hope for Federer to deny Delpo.

If Delpo beats Fed and Verdasco beats Murray then the records look like this -

Fed – 2-1 through
Delpo – 2-1 though
Murray – 1-2
Verdasco 1-2

There is no set differential tie-breaker to be concerned with.

But, if Fed beats Delpo – let’s say 2-1 in sets and Verdasco beats Murray in straight sets it looks like this -

Fed – 3-0 through
Verdasco – 1-2 (4-4 in sets)
Murray – 1-2 (3-5 in sets)
Delpo – 1-2 (4-5 in sets)

Verdasco gets through for having an even number of sets won to sets lost. Delpo and Murray would lose out.

Fascinating. Winning one set in a losing cause in your first 2 matches keeps you in it, while losing a set in each of your first 2 wins does not guarantee you advancement. How?

If Federer loses in straight sets to Delpo he is still through if Verdasco beats Murray. -

Federer and Delpo – 2-1
Murray and Verdasco – 1-2

But, if Murray beats Verdasco in straight sets, while Delpo takes out Federer in straight sets then it looks like this -

Murray 2-1 (sets 5-3)
Delpotro 2-1 (sets 5-3)
Federer 2-1 (sets 4-4)

Murray and Delpotro would get through.

Here is the one way it gets totally confusing – If Verdasco loses to Murray but wins a set he is out with an 0-3 record, but should Delpotro beat Federer by the 2 sets to 1 count then all 3 of Federer, Murray and Delpotro would have identical 2-1 match counts and 5-4 set counts.

Then it would be down to game differentials to determine who advances.

Simple, huh ?


Long Live the King Says:

Kimo, Gordo and been there :

Thanks for the analysis. I am going to follow the cliched “one match at a time” policy and refer your posts when the need arises.

For now, just watching the sighting of TMF :) that tennis superhero ;) I had Roger winning this match, but was clueless how he was going to. He showed a very simple way. TMF appears for a set and a half and its Hosanna time in tennis world!

Cheers to Fed fans n commiserations to Murray fans.

AND A VERY BIG ROGER FEDERER FOREHAND SLAP TO FEDERER HATERS (HE KNOWS WHO HE IS :)


O-Kerr Says:

Jackass = Long Live the King
Jackass = Long Live the King
Jackass= ridiculous name and ridiculous claims
Jackass = calling another poster Jackass
Jackass = refusal to see his own stupidity

Long Live the King says everything below,
“Murray ending slamless? Thats just stupid. He’s going to win a USopen and wimbledon for sure.
One thing that Murray has, is that he is a smart player. He has got tennis smarts. Like Roger, Like Hingis. That I think is Roger’s biggest problem when he plays murray.
“Unlike djokovic or Nadal, its not simple solving what murray throws. He mixes things up much more than ND or rafa can ever do. In a way he does to Roger, what Roger does to other. I think murray can make Roger appear clueless.

“Along with Hamburg 08, I think Roger lost the wimbledon 08 and AO 09, more than Nadal winning it. way…. Federer at his best would not lose to Rafa’s best (evidenced so far) on grass (he would win 90%) and hard courts he would win atleast 70% of the matches….”


Kimo Says:

What I love most about Roger is that he doesn’t just win, he wins beautifully. Can anyone in their right mind, even the Fed haters, deny that Roger has the most visually appealling game yet also the most effective? He never muscles his shots, yet he can fire cannons. He’s not the tallest guy, yet he has the best serve. Talent just oozes from the guy, but as we’ve seen from Safin, talent is not everything. He puts his talent to work and boy do he reap the rewards!!!


Long Live the King Says:

WOW!

Good one GORDO! That pretty much breaks things up. Lets hope Roger wont let it get as ugly as the last scenario :)

Group A is 4/4 in 3setters? :) Living up to its billing as the Group of Death, I would say! All 4 players have theoretical chances going into the final leg. Though obviously its better to be in Roger’s shoes than others’.

Hasn’t that been the case for the most part of last 6 yrs? :)


Long Live the King Says:

Spot on Kimo! @ your 7:12.

Don’t worry about the haters. They are dime a dozen psychos on the net. Most of the sane people, including peers and past greats give Roger his fair due n acknowledge his talent has something special.

Like an Ali, a Pele, a Jordan, Roger transcends his sport.


jane Says:

been there, thanks for the link on the round robin format.


O-Kerr Says:

psycho = one guy plays and wins a match, and some other unknown bum believes he won and bears the name Long Live the King and starts calling other people psychos.


Kimo Says:

You’re awefully quiet, jane. Please share you’re thoughts. I know you like Murray, but still, I wanna know what you have to say about today’s match.


O-Kerr Says:

One UK paper writes:
“Actually, he (Federer) appeared to have the majority of support in the 02 arena in the southeast of the city as well, which says something for the characteristic chivalry of a British crowd. They love their home boys, or so one assumes; they adore their champions, too, and no champion has touched these shores and been so adored as the Swiss world No 1….
“There were some moronic chants from the crowd — when are people in this country going to stop shouting “Come on Tim”, for goodness sake? — and one in between a Murray first and second serve at 15-30, prompted a double fault. Two break points. Then the Scot showed his nerve, striking two bold first serves, the first Federer could not control, the second of which he did not even sniff.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article6930715.ece


devastatingdjokovic Says:

Jhc, I haven’t taken the SATs in quite some time. I just happen to be intelligent, or is that too big of a word for you? When the hell did I ever say Nadal has only improved his serve? What the hell are you talking about? I’ve been defending Nadal left and right saying that he’s a greater player in all respects. Jgd, maybe you should work on digesting people’s posts. So what do you suggest, lkb? Since you clearly know so much about sports and tennis, what should Nadal do? Go back and completely reinvent his game? Maybe he should change his grips and back swings? Don’t bother responding, it’ll be something “moronic”.

I’m glad Federer won. I didn’t see the match but to beat Murray 6-1, he must have played really well. He’s going out and beating the top guys all in third sets. Not a bad way to reaffirm his greatness (not that it needed to be reaffirmed). But he’s doing a good job of quelling my fears. I don’t know who I’ll root for if Djokovic plays Federer. As much as I like Djokovic, there’s just no one more awesome than full-flight Federer.


ines Says:

I have said I was confident and now I´m so happy.Roger looked fired up to win this match and the whole event too.
Hope this win will finish with the neverending criticisms.Congratulations for all fedfans!!!


Kimo Says:

Here’s Rafa answering a fan’s question (this was after the Soderling loss yesterday):

Will you alter your style at all so you don’t get so many injuries in the future or will you look at this as an unlucky year and hope for better luck next year? Peter
RN: I don’t think my style can change much to be honest. Let’s hope I stay healthy.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

ines- thats the thing with neverending criticism…


Gordo Says:

Today’s Daily Mail headline -

MURRAY CARRIES BRITAIN’S HOPE INTO TODAY’S MATCH

Tomorrow’s Daily Mail headline

SCOTTISH MURRAY LOSES TO FEDERER


been there Says:

Jane, here’s an interesting one from the 2006 tennis master-cup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Tennis_Masters_Cup_-_Singles

Notice how Nalbandian got through due to winning more sets, also 3&4 positions from Red group decided on a difference of games.

Took me a few hours of dedicated googling to understand the round-roobin format. You’ll get there! But I think once you’ve understood that player A must play players B,C,D in his group and only once each during round-robin, then the rest is easy to follow.

When it gets to semis, it’s the normal knock-out which we’re used to, with payers in GroupX against the GroupY. Also the matrix/table formats shown in wikupedia makes it more manageable to understand. I know (think?) you’re a teacher, so you must really frown upon wiki, but in some cases, it’s a good friend!


Kimo Says:

Gordo, LOL at your last post :D


O-Kerr Says:

UK media headlines are funny.
yesterday’s Guardian: Andy Murray Out To Show He Can Beat Roger Federer When It Matters

tonight’s Independent: Federer the Master Puts Murray in His Place

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/federer-the-master-puts-murray-in-his-place-1827000.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/24/andy-murray-roger-federer-preview


David Says:

dd

OK, I knew this was a matter of semantics, because I looked back at my post and I knew it made perfect sense.

I used the word “nemesis” in the dictionary definition sense of the word.

According to Dictionary.com

1. something that a person cannot conquer, achieve, etc.: The performance test proved to be my nemesis.
2. an opponent or rival whom a person cannot best or overcome.

By that definition, Hewitt or Nalbandian can’t possibly be considered a nemesis because Fed struggled with them early in his career and then proceeded to beat them virtually every time. Roddick, obviously has been Fed’s punching bag.

You could in a real stretch say Murray, but until Murray wins a couple 3-set matches against Roger at a Slam, I don’t see how you could call him a nemesis.

No, it’s clear that Roger has had one nemesis in his career and that’s Rafael Nadal. Good thing for Roger that Nadal has had a lot of difficulty with the flat hitters, so he hasn’t had to face him to win most of his Slams.


David Says:

O-Kerr “A 28-year OLD old man beats the most talented young star of the UK since 1930s, Fred Perry. Two in a row. The old man is vindicated that he is still the man to beat. A big sigh of relief in the Federer camp.”

Wasn’t it you just saying the other day that Roger can’t beat Murray, Djoko and JMDP? Want to reconsider?


been there Says:

Fed vs Murray match: I think Murray let himself down with the serve. I’ve checked the stats & it shows only 1 double-fault for Fed while only 8 for Murray. That is way too much. Just for comparisons, remember that Fed had 11 double faults in his match vs. Del.P at USO over 5 sets.

Fed had the double fault in set1…which probably gave Murray the winning break to eventually take the set. Murray had 4Df in set1 but still won it. Shows that where you commit a double fault is more important than the Df itself. A df to give opponent 0-15 is ok, but at 30-30, or worse, 30-40 is digging a grave.

Set2, no doublefaults, but in set3 Murray had 4df. here, Murray was just outplayed ‘coz double-faults aside, Fed had a magnificent 87% first serve (doesn’t get better than that), while Murray had only 49% in.

Serves aside, Fed faced zero breakpoints in sets 2 & 3 while Murray faced 2 in set2 & 7 in set3. Set 1 was more or less evenly matched with Fed facing 5 while Murray 4.

So all in all, Fed blew Murray out of the court, but Murray could have given himself a fighting chance had his serve been working. Having said that, Murray is not known to be a good server, so I’m not sure how much he could raise it. I’ve checked stats for his match against Del.P and his best serve-set average 62% (which is worse than Fed’s lowest today of 64% in set1&2 average…actually Fed’s ‘normal’ serve is usually in the 60s…just compared with the verdasco match). Despite losing, Del.P consistently served better than Murray in that match in all 3 sets. I suppose Murray compensates for this with his superb returns & ground-games. In set 3 vs.Del.P, Murray served at 48% while Del.P at 72%…the difference came about that Del.P commited df at crucial moments & maybe poor ground-game to commit more unforced errors,…hence went down 6-2.

>>Yet all is not gloomy for Murray ‘coz he should easily take care of Verdasco & Fed can’t afford to relax. Despite all this, there’s still a possibility, as explained by Gordo a couple of posts above that Fed doesn’t qualify. Odd but true.


madmax Says:

DD,

You are an AMAZING poster, full of insight and knowledge and I, for one, enjoy reading what you have to say – I totally respect your take on Safin and on Federer and have never thought you condescending in the slightest – you are brilliant – I dont understand why OKerr wants to have a bash, he/she is only one on here doing this – ignore – as Jane’s advice to me was a while ago, and also Huh’s. You are above that. Dont degrade yourself by replying.

What can a federer fan say about Roger Federer?

Outrageous Shots. Genius. The best ever.

Jane, you missed an awesome match. Federer was on fire! Yes, bathroom is sparkly!

Been There – you are a great, inspiring poster too – fed is the best – an utterly unique player -who played attack, after attack today – agressive shot after agressive shot. Murray kept hitting back to fed’s backhand, and time and time again, Federer monopolised. He was brilliant today.

Pure Genius.


O-Kerr Says:

David, that was a parody response to your “realistic” post. Later, you called me a comedian. This is what I said this morning, “Federer will try to play better today for one reason that he likes winning in the opponent’s home turf. Muzza may or may not be able to rise to the occasion under the pressure and expectation in front of home crowd. That sounds more like a fan speaking. IMHO, whoever wins between these two tonight will be a finalist, and the loser will be out either in the semi or before.” “May I improve on Sean’s “If Fed curbs the errors he can win, if he doesn’t he’ll lose” = Federer must play like he did the 1st set at Cincinnati, not the 2nd set, so it is not merely cutting down errors but running the opponent down by perforating the opponent with returns on the rise, quickness, playing inside the court, avoiding rallies and baseline stagnancy, and incessant winners all the way without slowing down.”


Tennis Vagabond Says:

BTW, by my quick reckoning (may be a bit off here), Murray is about 22 1/2… by that age Fed had 2 GS, and won another before turning 23.
By that age (being pretty recently!) Rafa had 5, maybe 6.
Murray has all of 1 final.

So I don’t think it is out of the question that Murray may never win a Slam. There are some really good kids coming up. Rog (and Rafa assuming he returns to form) may stand in his way for a couple more years, Djoke and Del Potro may surpass him, and there are good kids coming up, like Cilic.
By the time Roger steps down a notch, the elite field may look quite different than it does now, and Murray may remain just one in the group.


Kimo Says:

From one of O-Kerr’s links:

“In the last two sets Federer dropped only three out of 31 points on his first serve and in the second Murray did not win a single point against serve until the seventh game.”

WOW.


David Says:

O-Kerr

OK, I knew you couldn’t be serious with that earlier post. The fact is that Roger is going to have more losses here and there than a few years ago, but he’s got several years to go of winning big matches just like this one tonight. I think he’s looking at Agassi as a role model in terms of longevity, especially because he threw out the No. 33 when talking about how long a player could stay on top. Not coincidentally, I think, that was the age Agassi was when he last held the No. 1 spot.

I think barring serious injury Roger will break that record (the oldest player to hold the No. 1 spot) along with all the other records he’s going to break in the coming years.

Even though the Grand Slam mark was the biggest record of all, that was just the start of his assault on the record books.


jane Says:

been there, I don’t frown on Wiki overall; it’s a good reference. But I do tell my students to use it ONLY as a reference, and not as a research source, since anyone can alter /edit it. Anyhow, yes! I think I am starting to get the round robin format. Thanks again.

Kimo, honestly, what do I know!? I had only scores at work, but I was checking the stats, and it seemed to me that the serve is one of the keys, and Fed’s second serve is clearly better. Therefore, as soon as Murray first serve percentage dropped, he was at risk, and moreover, in this case, Fed’s first serve percentage simultaneously went up, so it was a case of one’s form dropping off and another’s coming up. Given that I couldn’t *watch* the match that’s about all I can honestly comment on. I do think Fed’s second serve is one of the best, while Murray’s is one of the weaker ones. So that will be a factor.

Mainly I just hope Djoko can beat Sod tomorrow! LOL.

I also hope Murray keeps improving and working as he had loads of potential.


jane Says:

“Murray’s” and “has loads…” – typos… long day.


Kimmi Says:

I thought this was interesting answer from federer.

_______________________________________________

Q. Today Andy didn’t feel that he played well. What did you think of the quality of the match today?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, I think we’ve always had up‑and‑down matches. So I think we both always come out thinking, Hmm, I could have done better. I just think it’s our styles of play, that when they collide, you always feel like you can play better.

Maybe we have a playing style that makes the other player not play, you know, the best tennis. When we collide, that’s sometimes kind of the feeling you get walking away. I’ve walked away many times feeling like I could have done so much better. Today it’s his turn. So it’s unfortunate for him.


Kimmi Says:

As much as I wanted fed to win this so that he could finish # 1 (congrats fed), i thought murray was very bad in the third set. No life at all, as soon as he got broken in the beginning of the set, that was it..I thought he played well in the 1st and second, fed had to work harder to break him in the 2nd set but murray handed the 3rd set on a plate..double faults, poor serving, UE etc. He needs to stand back tall and make sure to win verdasco. Verdasco has been very good also, just a point here and there made him lose his 1st two matches..he will be gunning to win one. very tricky situation for him. Go Murray/Fed


max619 Says:

O-Kerr Says:
Wow, Federer totally demolished the pride of UK. Sad day for the Brits. Long live tennis.

You got it wrong your last sentence: Long live the King.

P.S.:Fed also demolished your early posts.


Blank Says:

Fitting reply from Fed for that Murray quote. I think Murray gives himself a bit more credit than what he deserves. He should prove himself first by winning a big one.


Blank Says:

More of Murray from Sar’s link:

“Playing like that, anyone would have looked good against me. Now, I have to play Verdasco and if I beat him in straight sets, that should be enough.”


sar Says:

Kimmi:

On his match against Verdasco:
“If I play like today I’m not gonna beat anyone”


sar Says:

Goodnight all, have to get up in a few to watch Djok/Soda match. Yikes!!


ines Says:

That´s why I don´t like this guy,he´s not going to say”Roger was the better player today”, that´s what Roger have said, it´s not casual that Roger is a beloved player,so honest and with a fantastic
family.Have you noticed the crowd was with him too.Go Roger for the trophy!


devastatingdjokovic Says:

Thanks for backing me up, madmax. I really appreciate it. We all come here express our opinions and sometimes I like to be blunt when I’m tired of explaining everything to detail. But I have no idea when I said the only thing Nadal’s improved is his serve. That is pretty moronic, although that’s a pretty extreme word to call a poster on a tennis blog.

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