Djokovic Faces 18-Year-old Krajinovic; Federer Holds Court in Estoril
by Staff | May 7th, 2010, 12:42 am
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Defending champion Novak Djokovic faces a player who could be the Next Big Thing out of Serbia, Filip Krajinovic in the quarterfinals in Belgrade.

The 18-year-old Krajinovic won his first ATP match earlier in the week, and today the powerful teen earned a spot against his countryman with a third-set tiebreak win over Horacio Zeballos to become the youngest player this year to reach an ATP quarterfinal.

According to Nick Bollettieri, who trains Krajinovic at his Florida academy, “He’s going to be a hell of a player: impeccable groundstrokes, hits the ball hard and early, with little spin. He’s got a two-handed backhand, moves well. He reminds me in a lot of ways of Andre Agassi, except Andre was not so comfortable at the net.”

Djokovic was a 6-4, 6-4 winner over Fabio Fognini.

“It’s great to have two Serbians in the quarter-finals,” said Djokovic. “It was impressive to see how Krajinovic was fighting, he proved to be an excellent player.”

Tomorrow John Isner plays Richard Gasquet, Victor Troicki faces Stanislas Wawrinka and Igor Andreev meets Sam Querrey.

In Estoril, with Ivan Ljubicic (abdominal) and Gael Monfils (upset stomach) both withdrawn from the tournament, Roger Federer is the overwhelming class of the field. On Friday the Swiss takes on former Grand Slam finalist Arnaud Clement.

In Munic, the top six seeds are thru to the QFs with top seed Marin Cilic of Croatia, No. 2 and last year’s finalist Mikhail Youzhny of Russia, No. 3 and defending champ Tomas Berdych of the Czech Republic, No. 4 and top German Philipp Kohlschreiber, No. 5 Marcos Baghdatis of Cyprus and No. 6 Nicolas Almagro of Spain.


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117 Comments for Djokovic Faces 18-Year-old Krajinovic; Federer Holds Court in Estoril

Ben Pronin Says:

Wow, the only two guys I thought could pose a challenge to Federer are out. Wow.


jane Says:

Ljub and Monfils both withdrew from Estoril? That’s too bad; hope both are in shape for the French, especially Monfils, who often plays well there. Oh well, easier title for Fed to grab then.

The Serbian event is shaping up to be quite interesting; I wonder if Novak will get by this young hottie? Also Gasquet versus Isner could be a good match. I think Wawa will likely beat Troicki, but then again he dominated in his last match. I think Querrey is still in contention there too.

Some tough competition left at the Munich event – who could win there? I am glad to see Cilic doing a little better; he’s had a couple of early round losses now, so it’s good if he can turn that around. Hard to say who’ll come through: Berdy, Kohls, Nico, Cilic, and Baggy too. Hmmm.


Skorocel Says:

“Wow, the only two guys I thought could pose a challenge to Federer are out. Wow.”

And he’ll have to win just 4 matches to win the whole event instead of the usual 5… Talk about a gimme with capital G here! Is this a regular men’s tennis tournament or a qualification round? LOL :-) This event used to have some pretty household names in the field back then, but now it’s slowly but surely becoming a joke…


Skorocel Says:

Fed loses his 1st service game to love. Ouch!


jane Says:

Fed has been holding easily his last 2 service games whereas Clement hasn’t; Fed should break here or win the tiebreak. To me, Clement is looking a little tired already.


jane Says:

Tiebreak – mini break to Fed.

I’ve always thought of Clement as more of a serve and volley guy but he’s not doing too badly from the baseline.

Though it’s early, in the Serena vs. JJ match, neither one has been able to hold their serve so far. Sheesh,


Skorocel Says:

Did Clement get distraught by a flash in that penultimate point in the breaker? Pity for him, as he had a great chance to win that one… Credit to Fed, though. He’s not looking pretty, but he’s winning, and that’s all what counts…


Skorocel Says:

Looks like Fed’s once again having symptoms of “dropshotitis” ;-) That was without question his best game of the match!


jane Says:

I think Clement got distracted by a bad miss and then blamed it on a flash, lol, and then went completely off the boil. He may’ve eeked out a set, but you could tell Fed was getting warmed up. I really don’t think Clement had a chance to win. Fed is just better. ; ) That said, credit to Clement for hanging with Fed shot-for-shot throughout the first set; it was entertaining.


Skorocel Says:

Well, that 2nd set may have been a bit of a letdown for Clement, but still, he played his part today… Whether he would’ve won it or not doesn’t really matter now as the match is over, but had he won that 1st set, you never know… Especially with this “kind” of Federer you certainly don’t ;-) Anyway, Roger looked much better in the 2nd, and in the end got the win rather easily – and that’s all what counts for him…


funches Says:

Montanes won’t be an automatic win for Federer in the semis

The guy won this tournament last year and is a rough customer on clay. Federer will lose if he plays like he has in his first two matches, but I expect him to raise his game.


kat Says:

Djokovic the the absolute best!!!!! He sure deserves to win the tornament in his home country!!! He is soooo cute, funny, and especialy tallented!!!
Olé Nolé!!!!!!


jane Says:

Great quarter finals in Belgrade: both Isner vs. Gasquet and Troicki vs. Wawrinka went the distance, lasting almost 3 hours each! I guess in the Wawrinka vs. Isner semi it’ll be a war of attrition, the winner will be whomever can bounce back more easily. I was kind of hoping for a Gasquet win today, alas. Next up Querrey vs. Andreev.


Sean Randall Says:

Montanes is a capable claycourter, but Federer has to win that match.


madmax Says:

Some comments from Fed:

Federer kept a perfect record of 7-0 at the tournament after defeating former Top 10 player Clement, now ranked 83rd, in their first meeting in four years.

Federer leads 7-3 in the series against the man who stopped him twice at the Australian Open early in his career, having won their last six matches.

The opening set under cloudy skies and amid chill temperatures was combative, with Federer needing to come back from a break in the opening game, which he got back in the fourth for 2-2.

He still required 68 minutes to win the opener in a tiebreak, though, after saving a Clement set point.

Once the initial hard work was done, Federer lifted his game in the second set, finding his range and going up two breaks.

The world number one took home the victory on his second match point after just over 90 minutes.

“In the second set I could open up a bit and take a few chances, I learnt from the first set,” said Federer, recovering his form after an opening-round loss last week in Rome. “I was finally able to put him away.

“Arnaud is tough, I’ve always struggled with him. He knows what I like and what I don’t like so much.”


jane Says:

Sam Querrey beats Andreev in 3 competitive sets and now he and Isner are both in the Serbian semis.


tennislover Says:

“Montanes won’t be an automatic win for Federer in the semis”

Have to agree there since Roger’s form has been quite terrible of late. This year’s Estoril is almost a c-grade event but Roger has hardly been even b-grade recently.


jane Says:

Have just watched the first few games of Krajinovic vs. Djoko, and this kid is good! He moves well, hits well off both backhand and forehand sides, decent at net, can transition between defence and offense well, etc.


tennislover Says:

“Arnaud is tough, I’ve always struggled with him. He knows what I like and what I don’t like so much.”

If Roger feels this about Clement,I wonder how he thinks about the prospect of playing an invincible-looking Nadal either at Madrid or RG. Another humiliation a la the 2008 RG final can not be ruled out. Nadal,more than anybody else, knows about Roger’s likes and dislikes and ,more importantly, exposes and exploits his weaknesses more consistently and effectively than any other player especially on clay. Given the way Roger is playing, he will be extremely vulnerable against many other players too and a match against Nadal on clay may not materialize at all this season.


jane Says:

Krajinovic wins the first set. Djoko is having one of his days. The announcers say he is suffering from allergies and would’ve not played the tournament but stayed in it because it is his home event – probably felt a bit of pressure to play it since his family own it.

CRAP – he just retired. First time in over a year but he won’t hear the end of it. Even though others withdraw or retire, Nole’s reputation for doing so precedes him. : (

Sigh. Oh well. Hope he rests, feels better and plays well at the big events coming up.

And I hope either Sam Querrey or Krajinovic win this event.


OllyK Says:

Something is seriously wrong with Nole. Now, I’m worried. Really worried. He said he had many problems besides allergies but didn’t say anything specific. Come on, Nole, tell us what is happening, don’t be so selfish… :/
What to say about duro and sar..well, at least they’ll meet. :)


TGiT Says:

What is the Nole career retirement number? About a dozen by now. Right?


jane Says:

Hi OllyK, yes I heard after the last match that there is something else besides allergies bothering Novak, but again nothing specific. Anyhow, it would be nice to know. I feel badly for Duro and sar, but as you say, they will still have fun and get to meet for the first time, plus they will get to see the up and comer Krajinovic. : )


jane Says:

TGiT – don’t know. I remember there was a tally taken at some website about a year ago. Actually Delpo and Monfils also had high numbers.


jane Says:

Delpo has 13 since he turned pro.


Ben Pronin Says:

I think Djokovic has only retired 7 or 8 times in his career.


OllyK Says:

Hi, jane! I’m wondering why is Novak always so misterious about his health issues. For example, he’s never said he had asthma, breathing problems, etc. From the beginning we are guessing what is wrong with him…On the other hand, we all KNOW that Nadal has problems with knees, so what? It doesn’t change anything…
I don’t believe that Duro will be satisfied with watching Krajinovic as a no1 die hard Nole’s fan. ;) But he will have great time in Belgrade with sar that’s for sure. None comes back from Serbia disappointed. ;)


TGiT Says:

I think with Nole most have been exhaustion and respitory not physical injury.


Ben Pronin Says:

I think Djokovic keeps things to himself nowadays as a PR precaution. I just hope it doesn’t backfire. The media will jump all over him no matter what but by keeping his mouth shut, they’ll be open to speculate the most ridiculous things, and that could be hard on Novak. If he can handle it, then I agree with his decision to keep things to himself. Everyone’s got something going on with them, no need to spill all. I just hope whatever it is, Djokovic recovers, regroups, and gets back to form.


jane Says:

Ben, just checked: since 2003 when he turned pro, so in the last seven years, Djoko has retired 10 times:
03 -1
04 – 0
05 – 1
06 – 2
07 – 2
08 – 2
09 – 1
10 – 1


OllyK Says:

TGiT..Unfortunately, he said he had several physical problems but didn’t want to talk about it?! I just hope it’s nothing serious…


OllyK Says:

Ben, I agree, but he has same PR as Rafa and two of them have totally different approaches to media. ;)


jane Says:

OllyK – who knows? Maybe he doesn’t want to expose too much to avoid it becoming an issue in interviews (but it does ironically anyhow), or having other players know about it? I know he’s been having shoulder problems since end last year, and they were bad for the Davis Cup. But this seems more like asthma or respiratory.


Stefani Germanotta Says:

It’s not really the number of time Nole retires, it’s the way that he does it (e.g., when losing) or the late rounds where it happens.


jane Says:

Stefani, that may be true, but again, comparatively speaking, Delpo has retired late in matches also (2 times when 1 game from losing). See below. I very much like Delpo as a player b.t.w.
Tokyo 07 vs. Sela: 6-2, 5-7, 3-5 RET
AO 07 vs. Gonzalez: 6-7(7), 6-4, 7-6(3), 4-6, 0-4 RET
Acapulco 06 vs. Montanes 2-6, 3-5 RET


OllyK Says:

I can’t wait to see what Nole said in tonight’s presser..


Sean Randall Says:

So what’s the official reason for retirement here? Breathing problems is what I’m reading. I, too, will be looking forward to the quotes!


Von Says:

“Stefani, that may be true, but again, comparatively speaking, Delpo has retired late in matches also (2 times when 1 game from losing). See below. I very much like Delpo as a player b.t.w.”

LOL, it’s always the same thing isn’t it with you jane? Whenever, it’s Djokovic that’s involved, and/or the subject matter of any topic that will throw a bad light on him? In those instances, you’ll not hesitate to dig up any trivialities/ dirt on other players just to make your fave look good, or not so bad.

The fact of the matter is he retired, and he retires often (which is the topic here not DelPotro), so why the comparisons? And then, as if to soften your dirt digging, you add: “I very much like Delpo as a player b.t.w.” What has your liking for Delpo got to do with anything that’s being discussed? NADA, however, you didn’t like him enough to leave him out of the comparison you just cited, did you?? OY

“I know he’s been having shoulder problems since end last year, and they were bad for the Davis Cup. But this seems more like asthma or respiratory.”

If I remember correctly, you stated a while back that you weren’t aware of Djokovic’s shoulder problems, when Todd Martin was being blamed for his serving woes. And, to add insult to injury, you make the diagnosis (as though you’re positive) that his problems are molre respiratory e.g., asthmatic, even though he’s not stated such at any time, (if my memory serves me correctly) that he has asthma. From where do you pull this information?


Believer Says:

Yeah. why is he retiring when he is losing? Good question. Because he can’t take a loss from a young kid from his own country like a man. That’s Y.


Kimmi Says:

Too bad for Novak. I am also curious to know the real problem.

I guess with this results in belgrade, his chances of been seeded number 2 at the FO is dissapearing slowly but now depending more on nadal perfomance.


Believer Says:

Some people keep this as a part of their strategy. Its gamesmanship. Nothing wrong with that if the rules allow it. The next time these two guys face each other, Djoker knows that if he played hard (and not have respiratory issues), he may have turned it around and won. And the kid will have doubts in his mind as he didn’t beat (was not allowed to) the world number 2 comprehensively/completely last time. Seeds of doubts sown already.

Its just some (or majority) of the tennis fans think that players should lose gracefully (they shud fight hard no question about that). If you are not fit enough to play; don’t play.


jane Says:

“why the comparisons?”

Because he doesn’t retire that much more than a lot of other players. And because I think it’s fair to make comparisons. I am not “digging up dirt”; I am presenting stats. That’s all.

“you make the diagnosis (as though you’re positive) that his problems are molre respiratory ”

I was talking about today and I did not “make the diagnosis.” It’s what has been written in post-match articles and what the announcers said, i.e., “breathing problems” as Sean wrote.

“From where do you pull this information?”

See above. Also, in the press many people have written and/or speculated that he has asthma. I don’t know for sure whether he does but I wouldn’t be surprised.

BTW, I defend Djoko because he’s my current fave. So I stick up for him even when I am disappointed. That’s what most people do when something will “throw a bad light” on their fave; they try to stick up for them. I am aware of his faults, that he’s retired 10 times in 7 years, and more importantly that he has done so in big matches, but I still think many of his actions are not so very unusual. Other top players have retired as many times over that stretch of time, and in slams, more than once even. I feel making comparisons is fair.

“you stated a while back that you weren’t aware of Djokovic’s shoulder problems”

Umm. I wasn’t. I read it on tennistalk well after the WTF and the Davis Cup had passed. But it makes a lot of sense in retrospect.


Ben Pronin Says:

“The fact of the matter is he retired, and he retires often (which is the topic here not DelPotro), so why the comparisons?”

Often is relative. Djokovic retires often compared to Federer. Not that often compared to Del Potro. Things should be put in perspective simply because it’s not fair to always jump down Djokovic’s throat. Roddick isn’t perfect, either, in the retiring department.


jane Says:

Believer, “If you are not fit enough to play; don’t play.”

The announcers mentioned that Djoko had considered withdrawing from the Serbian Open altogether. But maybe he felt pressured to try due to it being so closely connected with him and his family?

But perhaps he should’ve withdrawn either before it began or after his first match, which would’ve given Krajinovic a walk-over instead.


Kimmi Says:

I agree that Djoko retirements are not more than a lot of other players. The only issue is (as somebody mentioned above) his retirements are rarely due to injuries, it is most of the time due to other health issues so probably that is the reason he is getting some slack out of it.


jane Says:

Kimmi, I think you’re probably right. It’s because it’s not a typical retirement with a shoulder or knee or wrist; it’s often respiratory. That’s why if there are underlying issues he might get less flack if he just came out and said what they are. Oh well.

Did you follow the scores of Serena’s match? Whoa, she was up 40-love, serving for the match and JJ came back, twice, to eventually win.


Kimmi Says:

I watched bits of the live score so did not know that serena had 40-0 serving for the match. WHOOOO! JJ is known for her never die attutide. So serena will kick herself for letting that run away from her. Happy for JJ, big win against serena anytime.

menwhile Ivanovic played great with other top players but gave a poor perfomance with martinez sanches..OK did not see the match, maybe sanches is playing like out of this world perfomance at the moment, she in the final afterall.

But great to see Ana back in the mix..hopes she continues.


jane Says:

Oh and Kimmi, were you able to watch Fed? He looked better as the match went on today, and by the second set, he looked like he will win the title. He was making some nice drop shots. He began with quite a low first serve percentage though; for a while in the first set it was below 50%. But he got better. I am more excited to see what happens at Madrid and the FO, though, since the fields will be deeper.


madmax Says:

Jane,

There is nothing wrong with your post about novak at all.

It is hugely disappointing that this has happened. You NEVER “dirt dig” on any player, so dont even doubt your intentions. they are always good and honourable.

Ollyk, zare and now duro (though he was on his way with sar to see the match), are so disappointed that this has happened.

Novak has breathing problems. He suffered from asthma for a long time – i have read many pressers about him and his problems in the heat, inhaler so if posters want to check that information, it is out there. Why would Jane make something up like that?

People compare players to each other all the time. It’s why we are here on this forum – to discuss.

Novak needs to get this sorted out – any retirement is for a reason – and he was having these “allergies” in Rome, so it is obviously lingering. I dont know why people dont want to show any empathy when things like this happen. It is enough when anyone’s favourite player is injured or ill and it doesn’t help when the player himself seems unsure about the reason.

I don’t think for one moment that novak retired because the other guy was doing better. It’s his family tournament! Novak would have felt a duty to play, of course, but without getting this “condition” sorted out sooner rather than later, he is fodder for the press.


stu Says:

Goodness, the guy is on a downward spiral! Sorry Duro & sar!


Kimmi Says:

Thanks jane for federer match summary. I followed the live score and that tie breaker almost gave me a heart attack..oh dear. It was SO close. I saw the second set was quick and the first serve % was better in the second.

If he got his game in the second set, I hope he plays like that in all matches. I will try to catch some matches tomorrow.

Too bad they have WTA Rome semis played today..would have loved to watch serena vs JJ for example..sheesh!


jane Says:

I hadn’t thought of that, but it’s true: often semis are on Saturday with the finals on Sunday. I wonder why they followed that schedule.


jane Says:

Thanks for the kind words madmax. : )


Von Says:

I believe I addressed you by your name, jane didn’t I? At least that much courtesy you can give back to me.

I asked the following question:

“you stated a while back that you weren’t aware of Djokovic’s shoulder problems”, to which you answered:

“Umm. I wasn’t. I read it on tennistalk well after the WTF and the Davis Cup had passed. But it makes a lot of sense in retrospect.”

Yes, but the way you worded your statement you talk as though knew that as a fact, when all you’re stating is just pure conjecture and hearsay you’ve read from comments written by some posters on another tennis site:, to wit:

“I know he’s been having shoulder problems since end last year, and they were bad for the Davis Cup. But this seems more like asthma or respiratory.”

It’s still only conjecture and hearsay, whichever way you want to put a spin on it or twist it, as it didn’t come from the horse’s mouth, in this case Djokovic’s mouth.

You stated: “BTW, I defend Djoko because he’s my current fave. So I stick up for him even when I am disappointed. That’s what most people do when something will “throw a bad light” on their fave; they try to stick up for them. I am aware of his faults, that he’s retired 10 times in 7 years, and more importantly that he has done so in big matches, but I still think many of his actions are not so very unusual. Other top players have retired as many times over that stretch of time, and in slams, more than once even. I feel making comparisons is fair.”

It’s understandable that we all want to stick up for our faves, and it’s commendable also, but not when we have the truth staring us in our faces as to their inadequacies. In those cases, it’s best to leave the matter alone, especially when it entails throwing dirt on other players, when they aren’t the topic of the discussion. I think you get into the comparisons as a means to detract from the gravity of what your fave does, hence the inclusion of other players’ actions. Maybe, you try to convince yourself that it’s not all that bad because other players do it, but you need to look at the whole picture. You’re only fooling yourself with the comparisons, as I’m sure most don’t buy into your arguments in those instances.

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Ben: “Things should be put in perspective simply because it’s not fair to always jump down Djokovic’s throat. Roddick isn’t perfect, either, in the retiring department.”

Gimme a break Ben. You’re just pulling stuff outta the air. Yes, the comparison to Fed is that he doesn’t reitre, so don’t even go there. BTW, how did Roddick get into this? Because he’s my fave? I’m talking here about the comparison to DelPotro that jane saw fit to include. In any case, whenever Roddick retires, you don’t see me trying to put another player into the conversation and digging up dirt on them. I remain quiet or I cite the reason for his retirement, and then leave the topic alone. And, when Roddick retires, it’s always something serious, not sore throat, or alleged breathing issues.

I can see why you’ll champion Djokovic’s case, because he IS your fave, and you hate Roddick even though you try to cover it up. FYI, yhis discussion iksn’t about Roddick, and he didn’t retire, so let’s not even go there. Your mention of Roddick is superfluous.

The truth is your guy retired, and you and jane are trying to water it down by bringing in other players as comparisons — too bad. I suppose we’ll see a lot of links to follow. I’ll help by posting any I read and/or come across.

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MadMax: This discussion is minus you, get it! i never said anything was wrong with jane’s post — I’m merely pointing out her approach to Djokovic’s retirement.

And what you do you know of jane’s MO about anything? How long have you been posting here and causing a ruckus whenever you do? Yoj need to know more history when you talk, not just butting in for the sake olf butting in and trying to show you took an olath to be a true fan girl. Leave the fan girls clique/loyalties outta this will ya. You and I are like oil and vingar — we don’t mix, get it, so but out.


Von Says:

Madmax; “You NEVER “dirt dig” on any player, so dont even doubt your intentions. they are always good and honourable.”

Not as miuch as you — no one can match you, or even come close.


Kimmi Says:

“I wonder why they followed that schedule.”

I think because WTA is playing madrid next week..a joint men and women event. I remember last year they gave a bye in madrid to only players who reached the semi or higher in rome.


stu Says:

wow Nole just said that his participation in Madrid might be in doubt!


Von Says:

sheesh: Please excuse the many typos @6:28 and 6:30 pm respectively. Thanks.


Kimmi Says:

stu, can you post the link, what is his problems ?


tennislover Says:

“I guess with this results in belgrade, his chances of been seeded number 2 at the FO is dissapearing slowly but now depending more on nadal perfomance.”

Nadal must win Madrid and Djoko must lose before the semi final in order to have Nadal as the second seed at RG. Now, Nadal can surely win Madrid but Djoko should be able to defend his semi final points too given his clay pedigree and the quicker conditions there. If Nadal just defends his runners up points from last year, Djoko will still be seeded second at RG even if he loses in his opening round match in Madrid.

His loss in Belgrade will have a negative impact of only 70 points in his rankings total and he still looks to be the favorite to take the second seeding unless his ‘health issues’ have an adverse effect on his ability to defend those 360 points in Madrid.


jane Says:

Von, I didn’t include your name in the earlier post. My apologies.

Just as it’s your prerogative to defend Roddick as you see fit, likewise it is mine to defend Djoko as i see fit.

I watched Djoko’s match today and I read the match reports, and I heard his post-match interview (from his mouth) yesterday; in all of these, “breathing problems” were cited. You can call this conjecture, hearsay or whatever, but imo, if I heard Djoko say yesterday that he was suffering from allergy issues and I saw his match today I can say “it *seems like* this is more respiratory” without it being like some logical leap or like I am making it up.

Tgit asked how many times Nole has retired above, and then I remembered I’d read on a site a while ago a tally of various players, and i was surprised even then that others, for e.g., Delpo, had retired more. So that’s how/why i brought in the actual numbers. I posted the stats on Djoko’s retirements too. So I am fully admitting and aware of his “inadequacies”. I have stated outright that he probably should not have played the tournament or even today’s match at all. Better to just give a walkover, especially if he knew he was feelign unwell. But I would imagine he was facing some pressure.


stu Says:

Kimmi, its on the Serbian version of his website…I just pasted it into Google translate :)
http://novakdjokovic.rs/


Ben Pronin Says:

Von, a sore throat and allergies lead to breathing problems. How are you supposed to play a sport that relies so heavily on endurance (especially on clay) if you can’t breath right? There’s the whole Australian saying that says if you’re not fit enough to play then you shouldn’t play at all, or something like that. So would it have been better for Djokovic to have played the whole match, lost, and then blamed it on breathing problems? I don’t know. It’s a matter of opinion.

I think it was Sean who said, back when Djokovic retired to Federer, it was a fairly smart move if the problem is serious. Why finish a losing match if it’s only going to take a bigger toll on your body and hurt you in the long run?

Basically, it sucks that Djokovic retired and I hope things get sorted out for him. But I don’t know how someone could up and get rid of allergies. It’s a seasonal thing, not like a wrist or foot injury that can treated with therapy and rest. I’m not saying what he did is good, but as far as I’m concerned, Djokovic hasn’t retired in a pretty long time and I doubt it was easy to do so from the tournament he owns. I just don’t think it’s fair to jump down his throat. No one’s happy about it, but give the guy a break, he’s toughed out more than enough matches in his career.

Von, it surprises me that you’re criticizing people for the way they defend their favorites. You are the master of going crazy when someone says something even slightly negative about Roddick. And thanks for trying to read my mind, but I don’t hate Roddick. Not even a little. I can’t think of anything about him that I’d dislike him for.


stu Says:

I kind of want him to play Madrid. I understand that he needs to conserve energy for the French, but I don’t want him to have the “unprepared, took a long break” excuse there. Goodness Nole, just find yourself already!


Kimmi Says:

Thanks tennislover. I thought he will lose more than 70 points..did not know that…well, so things are still not too bad for djoko if he recovers from this week.

Stu. thanks for the link..I will translate it too.


jane Says:

stu, thanks for that; it sounds like his team are going to decide in the next day or so whether or not he will play Madrid. He says his priorities are the two upcoming slams, so he may need to rest and prepare for them.

And Kimmi, thanks for the information about the WTA schedule; that makes sense then, with the back-to-back Masters events.


Kimmi Says:

TRANSLATION FROM GOOGLE (stu article)

The best Serbian tennis player of all time, Novak Djokovic tonight because of allergy had to hand over the ATP Tour quarterfinal match in Belgrade compatriots Philip Krajinović.

“And in the first game I had problems to deal with health problems. Allergy really bothers me, “Novak said after the match.

Appearance in Madrid next week is uncertain.

“My participation in Madrid is in doubt. I do not feel so good. That’s what will my team and I to decide in the next 24 hours,” he added.

Novak said that health problems are temporary.

“How many will be present, depends on the rest. When you have that kind of problem, recovery requires rest, rather than physical effort.’ll See next week, but it is important to play at Roland Garros and Wimbledon, who are my most important tournaments in this part of season, “Novak concluded.


Von Says:

Ben: “Von, it surprises me that you’re criticizing people for the way they defend their favorites. You are the master of going crazy when someone says something even slightly negative about Roddick. And thanks for trying to read my mind, but I don’t hate Roddick. Not even a little. I can’t think of anything about him that I’d dislike him for.”

I’ve mentioned to you in the past that you are exceedingly prone to exaggeration, and the above is a prime example. Give me an instance where I go *crazy* DEFENDING RODDICK. I admit to defending him, and would love NOT to have to do so, but I’m the only Roddick fan here who posts frequently, unlike the other posters who have the same fave, and are helped when there is criticism of their fave, similarly to what you’re doing as of this writing — where you’re backing jane and your fave Djokovic, as you always do. I’m amazed at how much you’ve jumped over to his bandwagon and left Fed’s.

Yes, I admit to putting forth some strong defenses when I feel the criticism is uncalled for toward Roddick, and I’ve also let many nasty remarks go, but going crazy, nah, I don’t so — your exaggeration is getting ahead of you there Ben. I see many posters going for real *crazy* on this site, you included, when defending your fave, a lot more than I go *crazy*. hence, please stop with the exaggerations — it’s unbecoming and clutching at straws.

You don’t hate Roddick, Ben? I suppose calling him a *pansy*, *douche bag* and some other lovely adjectives you’ve in the past used to describe him bespeaks of mucho love. I’ll say this much for you, you’ve indeed somewhat turned a corner, but at times you let your guard down and the real Ben comes out. I suppose next you’ll be saying you don’t hate Nadal. OY


Von Says:

Ben: “I’m not saying what he did is good, but as far as I’m concerned, Djokovic hasn’t retired in a pretty long time and I doubt it was easy to do so from the tournament he owns. *I just don’t think it’s fair to jump down his throat.* (emphasis added) No one’s happy about it, but give the guy a break, he’s toughed out more than enough matches in his career.”

Who’s jumping down his throat, Ben? I recalling you going ballistic when players retired vs. Nadal in the past.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Wow. Well, too bad for Nole. I guess my two cents would be I would rather as a fan ( if I was in a paid seat )I would like to see my fav go out and give it a try, unless he had a injury that he was causing more harm to play, let’s say a sprained ankle, eg;. I would understand that more than see him retire and then say “sorry” I had a sore throat and couldn’t play. It sounds like something minor and you really don’t know until you are out there and give it a try ( Remember when Sampras hurled on court at the USO? He played through it, some guys can’t, but he for sure wasn’t feeling well )

It is funny I just have gone through some allergy problems and can play but it’s not fun, and does hamper me, getting winded easily. Who can tell what is blowing in the wind every hour? And allergies can been very detrimental to some.

You would think then he should come clean and say in detail what his chronic problem is but then, he is a competitive athlete, who wants to give there competition a known disadvantage about themselves?

Not trying to defend him just can relate….

I’d rather see him give it a try for the fans nad see if he can play through it. We don’t know if he has ever said he hasplayed through it, have we? It would be pretty smug to say, yes I won, beat the guy, but my allergies were terrible?

Just sayin…


Von Says:

jane: “Just as it’s your prerogative to defend Roddick as you see fit, likewise it is mine to defend Djoko as i see fit.”

Yes, it’s your prerogative to defend him,so foire away and include whomever you need to as comparisons.


Von Says:

skeezer; He’s had the allergies for over two months, at which time he let Martin go, and blamed his problems on his serve. Also, wouldn’t it be commonsense to seek medical attention? I would think that he’d be better off seeing a doctor than just talking about the allergies. Anyway, topic closed for me.


jane Says:

Hi Skeezer “I’d rather see him give it a try for the fans nad see if he can play through it.” I guess that’s sort of what he did and probably why he did it. He was broken immediately, but he broke back and was trying to compete, but honestly that young Serb was good! Maybe Nole felt he wanted to give it a try *especially for his home fans. I know when I have allergies I have low energy but some days are better than others so you just never know.

Anyhow, a funny report from WTF network might be necessary soon! For comic relief, ya know! : )


jane Says:

Von says “Also, wouldn’t it be commonsense to seek medical attention? ” But we don’t know that he hasn’t, do we? Djoko has been having service motion problems for a while now; they were evident long before he mentioned allergies at IW.


Ben Pronin Says:

“Who’s jumping down his throat, Ben? I recalling you going ballistic when players retired vs. Nadal in the past.”

I’m not saying you’re wrong here, this sounds like something I would do, but can you give me an example of someone who retired against Nadal? Was it recent? I can’t think of anyone who’s retired against him.

“I suppose calling him a *pansy*, *douche bag* and some other lovely adjectives you’ve in the past used to describe him bespeaks of mucho love.”

This must be a generation thing. I use the same terms on my friends but that doesn’t mean I don’t like them. So as far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t even come close to bespeaking hate.

“I’m amazed at how much you’ve jumped over to his bandwagon and left Fed’s.”

Honestly, so am I. I don’t know what happened. But I did say I would back Djokovic more than anyone else once Federer broke Sampras’s record. Which ties into this:

“I suppose next you’ll be saying you don’t hate Nadal. OY”

I can’t say I hate him. Hate’s a strong word. I have a lot of respect for him and I appreciate how much he’s done for tennis and how awesome of a player he is (as much as I love other players, I’m a left like Nadal so I instinctively think about what I could do to use my leftyness as effectively as him). I guess in retrospect all the wins over Federer don’t feel as bad as they once did. But I can’t foresee myself being a part of the Nadal fan club any time soon.


stu Says:

Ben, you’re wise beyond your years!


Kimmi Says:

Von: “I would think that he’d be better off seeing a doctor than just talking about the allergies”

I read an article from tennistalk yesterday. Here is some of his quotes..

“I don’t want to go into details too much, but I have some health issues that are hampering me and it’s very important for me to be fully fit,” said the world No. 2. “Playing on clay demands immense physical efforts.

“I’ve been going through a difficult period over the past couple of months. It’s springtime and I have a strong allergic reaction to pollen. It’s never been this bad and no medications are helping it.

To me it sounds like he probably saw the doctor(s), who have given him several medications but are not helping. (anyways, I am guesing..I don’t know)


Ben Pronin Says:

He should try Claritin :)


Kimmi Says:

ben lolz, he probably did :)


Von Says:

Ben: As I mentioned in my post to Skeezer, topic closed for me, but I’ll answer the question on who retired against Nadal that made you angry. I remember this one distinctly as you were very angry. Paul Henri Mathieu.

“I can’t say I hate him. Hate’s a strong word.”

I’ve many times stated on this formum that ‘hate is corrosive and a very destructive emotion’. I’ve also given the meaning of the word.

On the matter of ‘hate’ towards Nadal, you’ve said so umpteen times that you hate him. Maybe someone else who posts often can remember this to back me up as being correct.

Re: The Roddick name calling, well you’ve called him many names and many, many times — no exaggeration here.
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Kimmi: Thanks for the info on the case of Djokovic’s allergies. I’ll cite what I read a poster state on Tennnistalk also, which is not verbatim, viz: “Is this guy only healthy when he wins.”

All I can say about allergies is that I used to have them when i initially moved to Florida, and got relief from medication.


Tennis Player Says:

“The fact of the matter is he retired, and he retires often (which is the topic here not DelPotro), so why the comparisons? And then, as if to soften your dirt digging, you add: “I very much like Delpo as a player b.t.w.” What has your liking for Delpo got to do with anything that’s being discussed? NADA, however, you didn’t like him enough to leave him out of the comparison you just cited, did you?? OY ”

You nailed that Von. totally unnecessary to drag delpotro into this. It is not just the no. of retirements with djokovic, he does it so very questionably. He is notorious for abusing the MTO rule. Federer described it aptly, way back when he called djokovic out and so did roddick in the US open of 2008.

Ben, roddick may not be perfect in the retirement department, but he is head and shoulders above everyone except Federer. Please stop acting like a jackass just because you want to support jane. Jane had no reason to drag delpotro into this. Even if she did, she can spare us the “she is also a delpotro fan” BS. I think anyone can see, she is not a Delpotro fan. Similarly you had no business dragging roddick into this discussion. As far as integrity of the game goes, Roddick is in top tier with federer and nadal. (though nadal does retire, he doesn’t get questioned as often as Djokovic, because he has good solid reasons, not some mom and pop story like Djokovic comes up with.)

Madmax : thanks, but if you been with tennis-x long enough, you know Jane is miss goody 2shoes, who takes shots at other players being their “fan”. She has done that a lot with roddick, when Von pointed out most of the time. now she is doing it with delpotro. unfortunately there is a mutual-suck-up group here on tennis-x and Von is not part of that.


skeezerweezer Says:

What about that Fed? Did he play a great one setter today or what? :)


jane Says:

LOL, “miss goody 2shoes” – first time I’ve been called that in my life. If you go back to when Delpo first began to stand out, along with Cilic and Gulbis, you’ll see I always admired his game and in particular his massive forehand. I’ve nothing against him whatsoever.


Daniel Says:

tennisover,

Djoko will lose 160 pts on Monday 10th. He only reached quarters this year: 90 pts, but he will lose 250 from last year.

Entering Madrid:

- Djoko 6970 – 160 = 6810 pts
- Nadal = 6480 pts

If Nadal wins Madrid he will add 400 pts: 6880 pts, hence Djoko will need to reach final to seccure N. 2 seeding in RG not depending on Nadal results. If Nadal reaches final and loses defending last years points, Djoko will only need to reach third round (win one match). This way he will lose 360 pts from last year but wins 45 for third round, losing 315 pts which will leave him with (6810 – 360 + 45) = 6495 pts. Topping Nadal with 15 pts.

If Djoko skips Madrid (due to recent events), Nadal must lose before final for him to be seeded 2 in RG. If he enters Madrid, he needs to win at least one match and hope for Fed do the hard work and beat Nadal again.

Interesting detail: all years that Nadal won RG he had victories over Fed on clay before RG, except 2005. Last year was the first time he enter RG not having a win over Fed on clay.
If Fed beat him again in Madrid, or Fed loses earlier and doesn’t play Nadal before French, will it be a bad sign again?! :)


Daniel Says:

OK,

I am here long enough to say this:
Von and Ben are right.
Ben said in the past he hated Nadal, but I think it was more a thing of the moment, just like he was going crazy when Fed was losing to Andreev this year AO.

And Von used to gone crazy defending Roddick, but as she herself said, she is one of the lone Roddick supporters here and sometimes she has to stand up for him, even though she let some things passes this days.

See we all learn how to aprreciate each others differneces and how we changes as time goes by.

I couldn’t stand Nadal’s game in the past, when he only defended moon balls. Nowadays I don’t miss one of his matches and prefer when he is playing in fully agreesive mode (with the occasional crazy spin passing shots), always thought the match is in the racquet of the attacking player.


Daniel Says:

Allergies is complicated on clay.

Everytime I play on clay in more cold or windy days I don’t feel the effects on court but later. It is as if you are starting a flu, headaches and breath problems. But I never felt something in the heat of a match which, just drink water, a lot.


Daniel Says:

S***t! Just realize Djoko’s quarter finals points are 45 not 90 as I posted. SO he will lose even more. He will need quarters in Madrid and hope Nadal doesn’t win it.


margot Says:

It doesn’t make sense to me that Djko takes September on off, there’s not tooo much pollen around at that time of the year! Do indoor matches suit him better? Serbian fans seem the most intense of the lot. There seems to ba a lot of national pride mixed up with their support of him. I’m wondering if the real illness is the same as the one that seems to effect Andy M -the weight of public expectation?
Daniel: completely agree with you re Rafa. I wonder how he’d do with a wooden raquet though.


madmax Says:

i find this discussion about novak, incredibly disrespectful. The guy retired because – for whatever reason – he didn’t feel “fit” enough to carry on with his game.

Only Novak knows when the right time to do this happens.

And von, keep your vile, attacking comments away from this forum. I have my own opinion and I’ll be damned if I am going to let some menopausal warthog like you stop me from saying what i feel about novak.

Tennislover, i have NEVER found that Jane has been a “good two shoes”. I don’t need Jane, Von, Ben or anyone to tell me how I “should feel”, irrespective of how long I have been here. about 2 years now. So I know there is a lot of history on this forum, way BEFORE I came here, but for the most part, I come on to see my friends here, Skeezer, Huh, I am it, Duro *sigh*, Jane, Margot, and Ben. I don’t attack other posters. Von likes to make this out because she thinks she is “Thor”. The woman is seriously pumped up with her own self, and I am fed up with her spreading crap about other posters to be honest and I think it is something that should be mentioned here.

I have disagreed with Ben on occasion, but I respect the guy because we have a small history with the devastatingdjoker/sensas pseudonym before he became BEN PRONIN.

So Von, dont tell me the hell what to do. You are NOT my guardian, or my mouthpiece. You need to do some bikram yoga, peaches.

And if you think that Jane is a “goody two shoes” tennislover, what exactly is so wrong with that? At least she isn’t mad, like a certain person here, who needs to have a psyche assessment sooner rather than later. Your ridiculous Von, and have spoilt my reading this saturday morning. Hope you are pleased.

Regarding Novak,

I agree that he needs to have a Full Medical assessment, but really. How feasible is this? With the tour being so intense? Remember last year, he was the ONE player who had played THE most tournaments. That HAS to take its toll somewhere along the line. So, this might be the catalyst for his – well – getting help. It can’t be more embarrassing to retire in your “own” country, at your “own” tournament.

Best wishes to Novak.


madmax Says:

*tennis player* NOT *tennislover*. Apologies.


Von Says:

Madmax: “And von, keep your vile, attacking comments away from this forum.”

Says who, you? I’ve been posting here a lot longer than you have and who are you, the forum police? You’ve tried that on TT and got blasted out of the water, so you’re endeavouring to do the same here? Get a life, puhleeze. You breezed into this forum blasting everyone left and right.

LOL, at the menopausal warthog comment, I thought that was you. BTW, when I get to that phase of my life, I will let you know. I hope you know by that statement you have insulted quite a few of the women on this blog, but carry on, smartless-ly as you always do. It’s no point talking sense to nonsense, is there?

As for vile comments, please, dont go there. A patent has been reserved especially for you on the subject matter. And, don’t push me, because I read TennisTalk and happen to know what’s been going on over there with you and the other posters at the present time. You can’t hack it over there and it’s why you’re here spilling your nonsensical garbage, as they have you in a straight jacket.

I seriously think you should get a Psych evaluation, (you’re the many faces of Eve) because you are in dreamland when you say you don’t get into fights with anyone. It’s about 10 times a day over there on TT, every day, that you have those. Then you come over here and pretend to be Ms. self-righteous. How about if I cut and paste all your attacks/comments from some of the posters at Tennistalk, especially the most recent comments, especially the posts where one poster did an analysis as to who had the most arguments and posted the most. And surprise, surprise, you won the elite award, with respect to your crazy behaviours for being the most bellicose,(this is my word, no one used it on TT), lying and disruptive poster. I’m, sure you wouldn’t like that. Because if I do, then you’ll have no place else to run.

BTW, a lot of posters who post here, post on Tennistalk, and many read the articles from there also, so your MO is public knowledge. You’ve made the “Who’s Who” on the tennis sites, and are very popular because of your behaviour. Not to mention your plaintive cry — “I don’t get into fights with anyone”, which, BTW, is a figment of your imagination. But that’s normal for one who’s as solipsistic as you are — your self absorption is mind-boggling.

“Your ridiculous Von, and have spoilt my reading this Saturday morning.”

And, Ms. English major (so you claim, but I’ve read otherwise that you really aren’t one), ‘your’ should be ‘you’re’, shouldn’t it?

Anyway, I’m glad to be of service, and hopefully your whole day will be spoilt, just a little installment and a sort of payback for all the days you’ve spoilt for other people. I didn’t know that I possessed such power over you, as to ruin your day, but now that I do, I’m ELATED!!!!!! If you didn’t push yourself into a discussion that didn’t involve you, then that wouldn’t have happened, would it? And, wasn’t it you who lambasted ME approx. a month ago, because I spontaneously got into a conversation between you and jane, (even though I was trying to help and did so very politely), in which I made an attempt to give some information by answering a question you had about ‘focus’ and ‘focussing’, considering I’m both British and American schooled? So what’s wrong if I happen to return the favour now that you’ve done a lot worse? I don’t see anything wrong at all — as you sow so shall you reap, or didn’t you know that?.

That’s all I have to say on the matter, but if you insist on ridiculing me with your lies and garbage, I will post those comments I mentioned from TT as I copied and saved them for a day like this one, however, I didn’t know it would come this soon.

Since when you care who tells Ben what? you’ve blasted him many times you jump off the deep end, and you even went so far as to state that he should leave the forum along with another writer here, because you didn’t like their comments.

I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re just an eristic sort of person — you thrive on these situations and purpose start arguments and/or cause dissension regardless of the reasoning behind those arguments, not to mention the fact that you’ll distort, lie and hurl hurtful accusations, because you like to win, even though what you say is very twisted and far from the trut or how anything happened. I suppose when that happens, you clap your hands and pat yourself on the back gleefully, for a job well-done and mission accomplished.

And, last but not least, you may fool the gullible ones, by pretending that you’re concerned about their faves, but you and I know the score, that’s just a lot of fluff, but it earns you some false kudos, isn’t that so? Anyway, that’s their problem — maybe they’ll wise up, and then again, maybe they won’t.

HAVE A VERY NICE DAY, and let me know if I can in any way spoil some more of it for you. I’d be glad do help you in any way that I can — noblesse oblige!!


Kimmi Says:

daniel: these ranking points for novak are confusing me already..thanks for a little math. lets see if nadal wins madrid..he is in to break few records next week.


madmax Says:

Von, you are ridiculous in the extreme. I absolutely do not know what you are talking about.

And why attack Ben? What’s he done to you?

Anyone who knows me here, and on TT will know that I dont attack posters. what YOU do peaches is see red. whenever anyone has the audacity to disagree with you. You cannot handle it.

I saw your above post – what? It’s about 10,000 pages long. Easy that one. Scrolled through. It was lovely. Hope it helped you to get that stuff out of your system. Darlin’ you are one crazy person. And when this started because Jane defended Novak, and you hated it? poor von. what a pity.

Hey von, I think you mentioned earlier that you left some place to move to Florida? Well, all I can say is the place you left must be so peaceful right now? and they’re probably selling real estate with you no longer in the neighbourhood. Oh My Lord, *what* a neighbour you would be like to live next door too. Phewwy. Anyone who supports your attacks of other posters on this forum is no better than you von. no better. It’s unseemly.

I feel sorry for you in the extreme. Dont spread your lies about TT. It’s utterly ridiculous

Are you the metal man? (similar to Nebuchadnezzar?) had a head of GOLD, chest and arms of SILVER, waist and thighs of BRONZE, legs of IRON, and feet of IRON and CLAY.

Particularly notice that the metals decrease in value? from precious, expensive and rare to…
ordinary, cheap and plentiful?

Notice also that the metals increase in hardness from soft and malleable to hard and brittle.

Do you get my drift Von?

Do you honestly think that posters on TT aren’t here on Tennis.X? I know who Margot is on TT, I know who Senorplaid is on tennis.x. It’s obvious. But you know Von, they know that you are some kind of maddo.

take care von. you seriously need some rest peaches.
First Jane, Second Ben, and now O-Kerr?

Von, honestly. really. go lie down.


Von Says:

Maxi:

I firmly believe you are truly mad. I know all who post on TT and Tennis-X, but I have more decency that you will ever have, to allow them their privacy, as it’s obvious why they use another name on TT, and a different one here. Unfortunately, even though many have asked you to refrain from revealing their names, you insist on so doing, because you are *eristic* as I’ve said before. Have fun doing what you do best, ganging up with those who have no class. Now, suddenly O-Kerr is your friend?? LOOOOL. well, as the saying goes, like follows like, isn’t it.

BTW, I like how you twisted my post to jane, and clearly took everything out of context. But you’re very adept at that sort of thing, aren’t you? Here’s a down-payment on the links I promised yolu. More will be posted, but that’s dependent on you — how much you keep going after me.

Tell me maxi, all these arguments you get into with me, ben, skorocel, Mindy, carrie and several others on Tenn is-X, what do you call them? Are you still deluded into thinking you don’t get into arguments with other people. sheesh. Talk about living in a fantasy world, well you’re some where lost in space if you honestly believe that.
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maxi: At this moment I’m really angry (deliberate lies make me angry) because I’m reading stuff that’s so untrue and being told that I’m making things up. However, for the sake of peace and respect for the posters here, I’m going to let it go. If I were indeed a vicious and ‘nasty’ person as you say, I’d post every link I have where I’ve been attacked by you, and then let’s see what you’ll come up with to dispute your statements., quote: ” because I dont enter into fights with you over there, and thats the truth.” anyway, be thankful, that I’m above such actions.

Native new yorker
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thanks for that native. i wont post any of yours under mindy, there are plenty there which people can read if they want, desperately cutting other posters to bits. enough said. “uncolm” – (your words?), what does that mean? try to get the spelling right next time – touche.
Best of Luck to Roger Federer for the rest of the season, your fans support you and wish you well.

not good news for delpo, get better soon and hope for a return to tennis when you are fully recovered.

maxi , 5/4/10 11:30 PM
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From homos:

So maxi, will you be claiming once again that you didn’t know the fans don’t want you to use their names from other forums? despite the some elaborate discussions about it? it’s very obvious you are using whatever weapons you can against those who refuse to back down from you. very nasty, maxi, to do it yet again deliberately. it really confirms what people have been saying about you and i was thinking lately that perhaps you’re not QUITE what they say you are and they were being a bit hard. how wrong i was!

native, it’s time you took nadline’s advice to stay from this person! just skip their posts at the sight of their username. you have both made your points to death and nothing good is coming out of it.

homos , 5/5/10 3:29 AM
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BTW, I’m not any of the persons/characters you mentioned in your post, but I do know this, you are the BOW,= b*tch on wheels. You move from site to site disrupting everyone and causing disharmony. that broom sure gets a work-out. You’ve got a lot olf mouth now because you see that the nasty O-ker has joined in with yhou = strength in numbers, isn’t it?

Now you choose to champion Ben’s cause, after you have lambasted him several times during the few months you’ve been posting here? However, you’re very adept at changig things around to make you look so innocent, and the other people as the bad ones, and unfortunately, a few believe you.

Below iare some more comments:


Kimmi Says:

lol ben, love it! WOW indeed.


Von Says:

Nen & Kimmi: What you you two mean b y WOW? if you have som ethikng to say, let’s hear it, but “WOW, is nolt saying much. Anyway, let’s hear your views, not WOW.


Von Says:

@11:06 am, i mean to say Be4n.


thark Says:

so much anger here…

makes me sad because those who post on this site have a lot of great insight to offer into the game. i learn a lot from all of you when the posts are focused on tennis.


tennislover Says:

Daniel:

Thank you for pointing out that Djoko will lose 205 points instead of the 70 that I wrote about. My calculation was based on my wrong assumption that Rotterdam was a 250 event and would,therefore,replace Belgrade in his “countable” events. Hence the net loss of 70(250-180). Since Djoko already has four better results in 500 events including Monto Carlo in his breakdown, that question doesn’t arise. I suppose a top-30 “commitment” player can’t replace a poor 250 result with a better 500 result.

Anyway,with Djoko’s withdrawal from Madrid, it is no longer in his hands anymore. Nadal has to just reach the final now to get the second seeding at RG and who will bet against that.


jane Says:

Tennis Player – I’ve gone from a “miss goody 2shoes” to a “ho” in one day? I am all for transformations, but sheesh! That’s quite the turnaround. LOL. Seriously, though, I am not being pimped out. I am happily married.


Von Says:

Tennis Player: As you can see there’s strength in numbers, and now with O-Kerr, the racist, in the picture, Maxi has found more of her mouth. She’s the laughing stock of TennnisTalk., but she’ll never learn as her MO is to divide and conquer. sheesh .

This situation has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous, and it’s fodder for the likes of O-Kerr, et al., whose problem is jealousy, because I’ve never cared to interact with him.

Presently, there are comments made by some posters on the other thread about Djokovic, which are worse that what I’ve written, but O-Kerr is not going after them because he knows which limb he can climb on and not land on his *ass, and with egg on his face.

Then we have this misfit maxi, who can’t discuss anything truthfully and logically, as her marbles are missing, and is seeking to make herself appear as a Djokovic sympathizer, even though she lambastes him to her heart’s content on other forums. As the saying goes: Oh what a tangled web we weave, when at first we practice to deceive.

I don’t know why it should bother O-Kerr as to how many children I have, and their legitimacy. My children were born legitimate, from a union of two people in marriage. I wish I know the other illegitimate children O-Kerr speaks of, as I think children are a blessing.

There’s a little clique here of the fan girls who email each other sharing and discussing other posters’ personal information. One of them has seen fit to look me up on people finder, but they found information on my mother-in-law instead, as she has the same first name and surname as I have. I suppose this is why Maxi feels I’m a menopausal warthog and O-Kerr feels I’m close to Cindy-Brady’s age. LOOL , ROTFLMAO.

Well, O-Kerr I’m glad you have met my mother-in-law when you were digging for info on me. FYI, because of where I work, my personal information is not listed in Public Records as a security measure. So you got duped big time fool. LOOOL.
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TennisPlayer: Thanks for your support. You know what is their motive don’t you? O-Kerr and maxi would like to see me off this site. Maybe, I’ll accommodate them, then the fan girls can rule, as I’m odd man out anyway. Just because I have a brain and don’t follow their silly chatter mindlessly by agreeing, I’m considered a whacko, et al. Unbelievable — this site deteriorated the day maxi and her cohort entered it.


jane Says:

Daniel, thanks for the numbers on Djoko and whatnot; it looks like he’ll be back to #3. That’s not what I am concerned about; I just want him to recuperate and be well for the slams. Also, I really liked this quote of yours:

“See we all learn how to aprreciate each others differneces and how we changes as time goes by.”

This is true. We all go through phases and changes in perspective, and part of the reason for that may by reading all the debates and insights here. It’s generally a very productive and insightful place to post.


Von Says:

jane: It doesn’t seem to bother you when O-Kerr is calling me or olthers the most disgusting names possible. Nor, does it bother you when Maxi attacks without being part of the discussion, as long as she’s championing your cause. Instead, you thank her for *her nice words*, even though she was out of line. And when O-Kerr attacks me, if he posts any subsequent posts, you then agreeing with him, instead of avoiding him, for being so Lewd. In a way, you reinforce his and maxi’s behaviour. Is it any wonder why they both think of you as a *nice poster*? sheesh.


Von Says:

thark Says:
so much anger here…

“me sad because those who post on this site have a lot of great insight to offer into the game. i learn a lot from all of you when the posts are focused on tennis.

May 8th, 2010 at 11:20 am
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Unfortunately, there are some busy-bodies here whose main focus is to disrupt the discussions because they are mentally deranged and use these threads as a conduit for unleashing their madness.


jane Says:

Von I don’t like the name calling. Nor do I think you or anyone should have to leave a site OR engage in name-calling. I hate all this fighting because I prefer to just talk tennis. So I bow out of it when it gets mean and below-the-belt.

Tennis Player hasn’t been exactly nice to me either Von: I am not a “goody2shoes” or a “ho,” and I don’t take “shots” at Roddick. I don’t know why s/he said that. But I chose to just let it slide.

Maxi said nice things to me yesterday, so I thanked her, just like you thanked Tennis Player for his/her support. What started between you and maxi and O-Kerr came after. I just read it all this morning.

Look, I think we all have insights and opinions to offer on tennis and if we have fun joking around sometimes during matches, that’s great too.


Von Says:

jane: You thanked maxi even though you knew she was ankle-biting my posts. Why didn’t you tell her it was between the two of us and her input was unnecessary, but you’d never do that, would you? It’s nice to feel important jane, but sometimes our conscience should dictate our actions. As I stated, you know full well maxi’s motive, yet you thanked her.

I’ll say this much jane, if by now yolu’re not aware of how two-faced, and dangerous maxi is, you’ll never know.

I thanked Tennisplayer today, but you thanked maxi last night for her ankle biting — there’s a big difference, and you were aware of her motives. All she needs is a little opening and with support, she becomes invincible. I believe I can fly, I believe and I can touch the sky – that’s maxi.


Von Says:

BTW, jane, I read maxi’s and o-kerr’s nasty posts this morning also, so it’s not like I had more privileged info than you.


jane Says:

Von, yesterday at 6:11 maxi said some nice things about Novak, so I thanked her; I wasn’t consciously aware of a motive in it; other posters were also commenting. Also, I don’t know maxi from the site TT, but here it seems that she is first and foremost a very devoted Fed fan. That’s what I see as her main objective. When I go to TT, it’s to read the predictions and match analyses – very rarely do I read the comments. And I have never posted there. So I can’t offer any insight into that.

Anyhow, Novak has withdrawn from Madrid, so I guess he was truly ailing yesterday, and his retirement must have been difficult. I just feel for the guy and wish he could be playing well again. Actually I feel for the players in general; it seems like there has been so many injured and/or ill this year.


tennislover Says:

Isn’t there any moderation on this site? Some of the terms being used here are shocking to say the least. The concerned female posters here deserve an unconditional apology. Otherwise,these gross offenders must be banned or suspended from posting at the very least.


Von Says:

jane:

“Also, I don’t know maxi from the site TT, but here it seems that she is first and foremost a very devoted Fed fan. That’s what I see as her main objective.”

And, that’s all you see maxi as being, right jane, a devoted Fed fan. Not an over-bearing one who goes after any poster who dares to mention Fed’s name, nor do you see the name calling and the abuse, but just her MO as a devoted Fed fan?

You’re unbelievable jane, and why would expect anythikg more realistic from you? It’s Unreal.


Sean Randall Says:

Von, drop it! Enough. That’s all I will. You know the rest.


Von Says:

Sean: No problem. I expected a bit more justice from you, considering I was the one being attacked, with my attackers using the foulest of language. But to please you, I will desist from defending myself in the future. Thanks for the courtesy, — had visions of Mother Superior’s Office.


madmax Says:

Clarity.

A bit of calmness in tennis.
Hoping that roger federer regroups and comes back stronger.

Any tennis.x posters. I have never written a disrespectful/nasty post about any opponent of roger federer. you will never find one because that is something which doesn’t exist. Why would I want to do that. Ollyk,duro in particular i have genuine fondness for, as I do Jane and Margot. Not big fans of murray, but understand the pain these fans have gone through. Understand the pain of Novak’s problems through this fans.

I am Maxi on TT and I dont write nasty posts. On the other hand, others do. you can easily read what I say over there. Don’t just read the responses. Read the things that were said, BEFOREHAND, that then puts things into more of a context. You’re an English Teacher Jane. You know the pattern.

Feel free to look at any posts on TT. you wont find me attacking anyone, you will find some rafa fans bashing our beloved roger federer with silly squabbles, I will respond to that, but never have I used foul language or sworn. Ever.

I correspond with quite a few posters from here on email who are “frightened” to stand up to people like Von. That’s the issue. nothing more.

moving on…


Von Says:

OY VEY and LOOOOOOOL.


Von Says:

Maxi: “Feel free to look at any posts on TT. you wont find me attacking anyone, you will find some rafa fans bashing our beloved roger federer with silly squabbles, I will respond to that, but never have I used foul language or sworn. Ever.”

I like how you’ve turned this around to suit yourself, when you’re the one who does the attacking and the arguments.

You never leave things alone do you? Now you have made this case that your little email fan club is afraid of me, but you’re not, as can be seen from your many, many posts right here on this thread. WOW, I must be the Lochness monster? Oh no, wait a minute, I’m the menopausal warhog and Thor. The n ame calling is unbelievable. OY


madmax Says:

Von, seriously. go away and grow up. you are tiresome and ridiculous. the names you have called me on this forum are unbelievable. The MW reference, was a politician reference used here in UK.

sad woman. you attacked jane, ben and I stuck up for them. that was all. i understand what duro means now, and why people are frightened to respond to you. seriously unstable.

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