Federer Gets Revenge on Robin; Nadal v. Verdasco Tonight at US Open
by Sean Randall | September 9th, 2010, 12:03 pm
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Roger Federer took one step closer to a 17th career Grand Slam title last night gaining revenge on Robin Soderling with a convincing 6-4, 6-4, 7-5 win in the US Open quarterfinals.

Despite the windy conditions, Federer served incredibly well cracking 18 aces while dropping just eight points on his first offering.

“The wind doesn’t affect my concentration when I go up to serve,” said Federer. “I think I’m also very good at hitting a good serve even when the ball toss is not in the right location. I can still serve to all the different corners with either kick, slice or flat.”

Federer was largely untroubled by Soderling for most of the match, though the Swede did pull ahead and serve for the third before dropping the final three games.

Soderling, who stunned Federer at the French Open en route to his second Roland Garros finale, also squandered multiple break chances in the first and really never got back into the match after that point.

“I think the serve was today the biggest key, because obviously he’s very famous for serving extremely accurate, extremely hard, over a long period of time,” the 5-time champ Federer said. “That’s what makes him so hard to beat really. That wasn’t the case today. He struggled to get the pace, the accuracy going, until midway through the third set when I think he started to hit it a bit better. Then it was almost too late, really.”

In the earlier semifinal, Novak Djokovic braved the gusty wind and ran Gael Monfils ragged in an ugly 7-6(2), 6-1, 6-2 victory. Watching the match one had wonder just what the Frenchman was thinking and what his gameplan was – hope Novak retires from laughter at Gael’s tactics? At times I felt sorry for his coach, Roger Rasheed, who saw his protégé attempt some of the worst shots I’ve ever seen in a big stage match.

“That windy, never,” said Monfils of the conditions. “Wind like this for me is very tough. I have a big swing, and as you can see, my adjustment is not that good sometime.

“The talent for play in the wind, I don’t have like yet,” he said.

Djokovic finished breaking Monfils seven times and the win gives the Serb 14 straight sets ahead of another Federer clash on Saturday.

“It’s a very similar situation likes last year,” Novak said after reaching his fourth straight US Open semifinal. “Soderling plays Federer in the quarters, and I am playing the winner. I lost to Federer the last three years that we played here. But every year I tried to win. I tried to go out on the court with positive attitude. He’s a great champion, of course great player. But you never know what’s gonna happen. I don’t want to think about those losses in the last three years, which were really, really close in all those matches.”

With one US Open semifinal set, we now decide who’ll be on the other side today.

First up are the surprising entries Mikhail Youzhny and Stan Wawrinka. Youzhny has been to the semifinals here before – he beat Rafael Nadal a few years ago on his journey to the semifinals – while Wawrinka is appearing in his first career Grand Slam quarterfinal.

Youzhny has also beaten the Swiss in both career meetings on hardcourt, including one this year. Couple that with Wawrinka’s fatigue issue after consecutive marathon matches and I like the Russian in this one.

In the evening, it’s the big Spanish showdown between Nadal and Fernando Verdasco. Like the afternoon quarter, fitness and fatigue may also come into play in this one. Verdasco battled nearly four-and-half hours in an exhausting win Tuesday night. And for the effort he now has to play a pristine and in-form Nadal who is serving at the best clip of his life – he’s the only guy yet to lose serve!

Head-to-head, it’s been all Nadal in this series 10-0. Verdasco did stretch Rafa to five sets in that Australian Open epic last year, but he hasn’t won a set off the World No. 1 since in three meetings.

“He’s a very complete player,” Nadal said of Fernando. “He has all the shots and he’s playing very well, no? Much better than he did last months, so gonna be very difficult match. I saw him play today, and I saw him play against Nalbandian the other day. He’s playing very good tennis, so gonna be a very interesting match. I have to play aggressive, to play well. It not gonna be impossible, I think.”

So I like Nadal tonight but Verdasco could get a set and really push Rafa. And for me that could be important. As I said at the start of this event, one of the biggest obstacles Nadal faces in winning the US Open is the scheduling, and now it’s close to the worst case (no Nalbandian, no Murray).

To capture this title Nadal will have to do something he’s never done before in his career: win three best-of-five set matches in four days on a hardcourt against stiff competition.

With Andy Murray out of the equation things are that much more favorable for Rafa, but keep in mind that Youzhny did beat Nadal a few years ago at the Open. Again, the key will be how much energy he uses/saves tonight (and how late he finishes) and also on Saturday before the final should Rafa even make it.

Having the last night match also doesn’t help as the Saturday and Sunday matches will be played in the day. Federer, who played last night, at least has an extra day to practice in the daytime.

Can Nadal do it? We’ll see. The journey really begins tonight.

THURSDAY US OPEN SCHEDULE

Arthur Ashe Stadium
Not Before:2:00 PM
Stanislas Wawrinka(SUI)[25] vs. Mikhail Youzhny(RUS)[12]

Not Before:8:00 PM
Rafael Nadal(ESP)[1] vs. Fernando Verdasco(ESP)[8]


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314 Comments for Federer Gets Revenge on Robin; Nadal v. Verdasco Tonight at US Open

Gannu Says:

Feddy bear all the way for his 17th one… Come on feddy…Silence all ur critics and nadalites!!

I hope he serves impeccably the next two rounds.. i have seen fedy bear showing some of his worst serving displays against nadal.. dontknow why it happens.. if he serves very very well feddy will be impossible to beat.. Hope he does well..

And yes i will be cheering for Verdasco and Wawrinka…
How abt an all swiss final…?? I would love that ;-)

Hope verdasco after today’s match says nbody beats verdasco 11 times in a row ;-)


David Says:

Come on, Rafa!

Fed’s won too much already. Time for him to step aside and let someone else take over (OK, wishful thinking!)

Let’s get through tonight’s match in solid fashion and whip up on either Wawrinka or Youzhny.

Come on Djokovic. Play the match of your life and stay with Federer for five grueling sets to soften him up a little bit for Rafa. Maybe then Fed’s legs will be a little tired and he won’t be bombing aces for five sets in the final.


Twocents Says:

Good job, Fed. And good fight, Le Sod.
Make the best of your shots: Verda, Stan, and Youzhny.

Djok never gets enough credits for stopping Fed on his best and last frontier: hard court. He beat a red-hot Fed in Montreal in 07; had 7 set points in USO07 final; and straight-setted Fed at AO08 — a beautiful match which I kept watch replaying. Yes, Fed was sick. But Fed moved much better in that match compared to most of his post-mono matches. And Djok playing lights-out and Fed’s sickness CAN co-exist.

In short, time to spoil the over-hype Fedal, Djok.


Twocents Says:

Rafa’s won too much already (compared to all others except one on the tour). Time for him to step aside and let someone else take over (OK, wishful thinking!)


LoveTennis Says:

Ya, its gonna be very close contest tonight between Rafa and Verdasco, lets see. This year is the best chance for Rafa to win the the only title missing, hope he will utilize this opportunity.


Ela Says:

Here we go again with Gannu’s love display for Fed. Sorry just puked in my mouth. How about all Swiss final? How about nadal is going to beat Fed’s ass AGAIN?


jane Says:

The odds are stacked against it, as are most fans, but anyhow “GO NOLE!!” : )

margot, I liked the jumping jack joker jinxed.


Ben Pronin Says:

I completely agree with everything Twocents said. Let’s go Djokovic.


jane Says:

margot, how about this one? Tall Texan Twocents Tells Tantalizing Tales. ;)


Eskay Says:

Rafa would prefer Roger for the final, should Rafa be not upset by then. Nole is 7-3 against Rafa, and on winning streak of three. Rafa has since improved his hard court game, everybody is talking about it. He is not afraid of any body, but his successes have been more against Roger. They have not met at U.S.Open, but it is more than surface that matters. It is the looping diagonal to the left of Roger that has caused problems. If Roger has found a solution, one would see it perhaps for the first time, should they meet in the finals. Roger’s achievements are legendary but Rafa’s game is enigma to him.


Eskay Says:

I meant Nole is 7-3 against Rafa on hard courts.


Twocents Says:

And the Tall Texan wants to tell Fed: thou shall return the favor — Rafa didn’t show up in hard court finals at his up rising, you don’t need to show up at your tail end.


Twocents Says:

…and just count your body parts that can be hurting. An there are plenty. LOL.


SG Says:

Fed was awesome last night. Scary awesome with the conditions take into consideration. If I were anyone right now (even Rafa), I’d be concerned. Fed is playing like a guy with something to prove and the USO surface suits him to a tee.

Mac was saying yesterday night that Soderling is the biggest hitter on tour (which I don’t happen to agree with). Last night, Fed looked like the guy with the big time firepower. Fed flew a few forehands long here and there, but even with all the wind, he never looked awkward or out of sorts. Soderling looked pretty messy out there from the middle of the 1st set onward.

I’m sticking with my pick that Fed sweeps the hardcourt slams this year.


grendel Says:

“Rafael Nadal, buff and brawn, was reduced to tears the last time he faced Fernando Verdasco on a hard court. Waiting to receive serve deep in the fifth set at the Australian Open, the tension high, he began to cry.

Minutes later, Nadal turned joyous, overcoming Verdasco in one of the tournaments best ever matches.”

That’s from an article by Ravi Ubha on the US Open Official website. Curious, I’d never heard that story before.


stu Says:

Haha ^^!

Twocents, the USO 2007 final was possibly the biggest choke of Novak’s career, but understandable considering it was his first final against the king of HCs. I still wonder what might have happened had he won that 1st set. Now’s a good time to make up for it IMO.


skeezerweezer Says:

How many times do we have to hear …..

“so gonna be very difficult match”

Mix up the quotes there Rafa! :)

Rafa to KO Hot Sauce tonight……


Twocents Says:

Ben, let’s not forget the smash vs. smash shot in USO08 and the tweener in USO09. Enough is enough!

stu, I’d call it “grow-up pain” not “choke”. Fed was a headcase in his early 20s. Not eveyone has a perfect uncle :-)).

Djok:
“He’s my father; if he wants to wear the shirt, he can wear the shirt,” he said. “I would never wear the shirt.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/sports/tennis/09men.html


David Says:

Eskay

I understand the match-up issues between Rafa and Nole, but I still don’t see how Nadal would rather play Djokovic than Federer. Fed’s a tennis genius who can beat Rafa no matter how well he’s playing, especially on this surface. Nole will beat an out-of-form Rafa, no doubt. But I’m not so sure he’d beat Nadal the way Rafa’s going this tournament. Then there’s the stamina issue if the match goes long. Also, if Nadal gets a lead early, Djokovic could start getting very negative and defeatist, whereas Fed showed in that 08 Wimby final that he’s got as much heart as anyone when the chips are down.

Bottom line, as a tennis fan, I’ll have to force myself to root for Fed to beat Djoko. As a Rafa fan, no way do I want to face Federer in the US Open final.


Twocents Says:

skeezer, there, one more reason for Djok all the way. I want his laughs, silly or not.


David Says:

Skeezer

What about: “I gonna have to play my best tennis to have chances to win”

Isn’t that mixing it up enough? :)

And then after winning a tournament, he’s got “Sorry for today, but congratulations on your amazing season”


Ela Says:

David, do you speak other languages beside English? Just curious.


David Says:

Ela

Actually, I speak Spanish about like Rafa speaks English. I know it’s hard to learn a second language when you didn’t grow up speaking both, believe me.

Anyway, who cares if Nadal’s not an English expert yet. He doesn’t seem to mind and can laugh at himself.

I just want him to be the No. 1 tennis expert!


Eskay Says:

In some of the 2009 hard court matches,Rafa was totally demolished by Nole. If the argument is that Rafa was injured, can it be said that an all right Rafa would have definitely beaten Nole. Roger did not meet injured Rafa on hard courts, so it is just a conjecture what would have happened. It is sometimes heard that Rafa is in Roger’s head, but it is not heard that Rafa is in Nole’s head or vice versa. Both Rafa and Roger are playing well. Nole is playing well too. Result might be more predictable in Rafa-Roger final than in Rafa-Nole final.


mat4 Says:

The match between Fed and Djoko will be very close. They almost never play their best in those matches: Novak is nervous because of the serve, and Roger because he can’t make it in the exchange. I am sure that everything will depend of how relaxed they are. If Nole starts fast and manage to win the first set, it will be over. If he lose like he did in Toronto, he could lose ugly.

For Fed, it is important to stay ahead, and to serve well. He has no weapon against Djoko’s crosscourt FH, and he must wait for the opponent’s mistakes.

It is Djoko’s turn to win. Since Montreal 2007, they win alternatively, and now the result is 6:5 for Fed. So I believe it will be 6:6.

The winner of that match will decide the winner of the tournament: Rafa should beat Roger, but will probably lose against Djoko. I don’t see how Roger could beat Rafa in that final.


stu Says:

” Since Montreal 2007, they win alternatively, and now the result is 6:5 for Fed.”

I had to go look this up, and actually there’s a small deviation from the pattern – Fed won in Cincinnati 2009 as well as USO 2009. but I like the theory mat4, and especially the end result!


skeezerweezer Says:

David Says:

“Actually, I speak Spanish about like Rafa speaks English”

Same here :)

I think these guys should hire someone with writing skills, and have them write up post match statements. They can afford it. Fed messes up too. And Novak, well, don’t get me started. Maybe its just the same questions get asked after every match…


skeezerweezer Says:

“Well, congratulations, that was a great match”

Thanks, I am good, aren’t I? But it was impossible.

“What do you mean”

Uh…well…er…It was possible of course, but at the time it felt impossible.

“Excuse me?”

What I mean is, he played great and I took my chances, so too bad for him.

“Too bad for him? You don’t think he played well?”

Oh sure…he played the best I ever seen, like it was going to be impossible, no? But I am better…..my shots were too strong and I think my outfit was better.

“Your opponent seemed like they had a hard time with the wind”

Can we talk some more about me , please?

“Ok, how do YOU feel you did in the wind”

It was impossible, no? But I am a wind master, I……

“Cut!”

“Skeezer reporting….Back to you guys in the booth”


Ela Says:

Sounds like Fed’s interview.


dari Says:

that can’t be feds interview, “impossible” and “,no?” are definitely rafaisms.
“obviously” and “well, look” are more feds speed.


stu Says:

impossible does not exist in rafa’s vocabulary :P


Ben Pronin Says:

It is pretty funny that Nadal says that if he doesn’t play perfect it’ll be impossible to win. As if though the guy has never won playing bad or something.


kimberly Says:

Are any rafa fans nervous like me? Predictions?


Ela Says:

Dari,

I agree. “impossible” and “no” belongs to Rafa.

But “Let’s talk more about me, please.” typical Fed.


Ela Says:

Do not be nervous Kimberly. Rafa will win.:)


jane Says:

I like the mess ups! Makes them more human, “flesh and blood”, and less about the “public relations”. These are young men, 23 to 28 years old, who are bound to put their foot in it sometimes given that they’re on a world stage. How freshingly young, bold, and idosyncratic their comments are.

Please, let’s not program them; enough of life is programed already. Including this thing on which I am writing.:)


David Says:

Kimberly

I’m definitely nervous, but my rational side says Rafa has to win this. He’s in great form. He’s got a mental edge over Nando from all the previous victories. Nando is coming off a 5-hour match and may be a little bit spent physically near the latter stages.


David Says:

As good as Fed’s English is, he says some things that would sound strange coming from a native speaker, especially overusing “fantastic” and also the expression “it’s a pity…”


dari Says:

Disagree, Ela. Not even Rofg says that! Plus its their press conference. They are #1 in priority on who would be talked about!
Oddly enough, though impossible is not a part of rafas tennis vocab, it is a gift part of his verbal vocab!


paula Says:

I’m with Jane for the most part. Once they hire the fancy PR machine and start sounding like robots (think Maria) it gets very boring. I like the not so professional moments.


mem Says:

kimberly,

nervous, no, not at all! rafa knows what he needs to do! he facing tough competition, but whether he wins or loses, my belief in him outweighs anxiety. he has never really disappointed me, especially on the big stage, even in his losses, i can now understand why he lost. some losses maybe hard to take, but i don’t blame the opponent, i accept it. i also admire how he takes whatever is handed to him, never complains and use it to the best of his ability, eg scheduling every year he’s usually the last quarterfinal match; if it’s bad weather, he’s is usually the victim, he is usually the one who always has one day off in between the quarters and semis as compared to roger’s two days off, but he endures it patiently and that to me is quite honorable. in the words of the old adage, “he take lemons and make lemonade.” i have great admiration and respect for him and for that kind of person in general. he’s not machine, i don’t expect to win everything and i don’t need him to be perfect. more than anything, i admire how he carries himself with integrity and character and that’s something that no amount of money or trophies can buy, and of course, i absolutley love his tennis!

he has a winner’s attitude, so, he will come through when he needs to!


jane Says:

For Nole’s fans, you should watch Nole’s press conference from last night. There is a very funny moment about the idiom “slipping on a banana skin.” Novak seems very relaxed and thoughtful. It’s long but it’s good. I think you’ll enjoy it.


Ela Says:

dari,

“a gift part of his verbal vocab”? as good as it sounds it makes no sense. What are you actually trying to say?


margot Says:

jane: TTTTT ;) . Humph Rafa “Buff and Brawn” someone’s stealing my alliteration, not sure about “buff” though, means something else in UK….
skeezer: Andy M needs a script, he forever “ums and ahas and you knows” especially when faced with damn stupid questions like, “How do u feel about losing this match?” and “Do you think you’ll ever win a slam.” No, come to think of it, it’s damn stupid interviewers who need a decent script!


David Says:

mem

Nice post


MMT Says:

Youzhny vs Wawrinka is a crap shoot. I think Wawrinka’s a better player, but I wonder how long he’ll last with that huge wrap on his thigh. In the end it doesn’t matter, neither of them will take a set off Rafa, who will certainly demolish Verdasco. Rafa is just too strong in all departments: he’s the best player in the world, has been since the clay court season, and now he’s suddenly serving absolute bombs! Just a testament to his committment to improve, unlike some others on tour.

I’m sticking with my prediction that Rafa will win his first US Open this year, and I don’t think it matter who’s on the other side of the net.


mem Says:

thanks David!


dari Says:

Amped for the wawrinka/youzhny match! Would love for stan to back up Murray/querrey wins and get some big points!
Ela, ha! It’s supposed to say huge. Maybe spell check on phone got me on that one!


dari Says:

MMT, IT DOES matter! this is a first semi final for stan, and points, pride and money no matter what!
Plus if stan is moving ok it should be exciting match!
Go stan!


contador Says:

that’s right dari! baby needs new shoes, go stan!


dari Says:

Stan, Mikhail, whoever is playing, this is the us open quarterfinals!


kimberly Says:

Posted on the wrong thread.

Predictions?

Does anybody care who wins this.

Ill go with youz on 4 but what do I know. I think wawa is spent.


Kimo Says:

Not a good match so far.


kimberly Says:

Maybe because of wind court looks like its playing slower. Or naybe the difference in pace from soda last night!


Kimo Says:

kimberly, neither of them is going for it. That’s why. If the level of play keeps going on like this for the entire set I’m gonna get some sleep before tonight’s match.


David Says:

These guys really have some beautiful backhands. Really nice to watch.


David Says:

This match has the look of Wawrinka in straight sets. Youzhny’s got some really smooth strokes but he’s just too erratic, imo.


kimberly Says:

Changing my prediction. Stan is outplaying youzney.I think its wawrinka in 3 or youz in five. Not sure stan can go the distance again.


kimberly Says:

Mem—you are right of course.

This match is like a ladies match, total breakfest.


David Says:

Youzhny really has a mediocre serve for this level. Big edge to Wawrinka there.


jane Says:

stu you’re the new number 2 at the bracket challenge – good job!


contador Says:

skeezer

LOL i thought that was you posing as a martian ( and a bracket straight from my dreams too, with “wild thing” going so far and federer winning )

i have to thank you very much for however you managed that transfer. one of the martians on the main draw bracket will now have picked the winner, i do believe.

hoping it’s YOUR bracket : ) tho neither of us are doing too well.

i’m getting pretty good at picking the winners from the early rounds – but totally a deer in headlights picking the winners…hahaha

GO STAN!


skeezerweezer Says:

contador,

:)

mem,

3:10 pm post, now that was a great post!


David Says:

Too bad Rafa couldn’t have played Youzhny in the wind back in 2006. His light ball just gets carried away by the wind in these conditions.


paula Says:

awesome scream from stan


David Says:

On set point, Youzhny almost hits his first serve on the baseline.

Then he sails a backhand, which seemed almost perfectly flat, about 10 feet over the baseline.


paula Says:

OH YES- Go YOUZZZE!
I like both these players. Just happy to see a close match-


David Says:

I can’t remember hardly one point Youzhny won outright with his serve that whole set. He’s deserves credit for being as high ranked as he is with almost no help from his serve.

I still like Stan’s chances of winning this is 4. He’s just a better player.


contador Says:

i don’t know how a rafa fan can seriously be concerned about verdasco troubling rafa. that AO 09 performance is gone but not forgotten. it lives on and looms in poor verdasco’s mind.

monte carlo 2010 verdasco suffers a merciless beatdown in the final:

rafa 6-0, 6-1

verdasco wins barcelona ( rafa not there ) he can be tops without rafa,

verdasco admits in a pre madrid promo: “the only one i fear is rafa.” : O he goes out third round to melzer.

and as great as verdasco can be, against rafa he is toast. and a GS quarter final is no place to rehab the problem. come to think of it, i can’t think of where or when would be the place.

ferrer would have been a better opponent mentally, imo. tho verdasco won’t be quite the bunny lopez was.

circumstances and variables change and i agree that h2h’s don’t mean a lot at times but in this case, h2h does.

maybe if he could see fabio fognini when he looks across the court at rafa…

and that said – out!


paula Says:

Oh man, hearing this Rafa blabla medley of info and montage of footage–I just really want him to win this. But I worry- the pressure- and Fed and Nole playing well. I love all three champions, but- my heart is with Raf here. I named my cat after Raf. Although- we tend to call the cat waffles, and then sometimes we get confused and call Raf waffles when we talk at the TV to him….haha


David Says:

contador

When you really like a certain player, you see danger everywhere, imo.

I can never understand how Fed fans are worried about any opponent outside of Rafa. I mean, what’s his record at Slams against every opponent besides Nadal? But they are. They worry about every match Fed plays.


dari Says:

What a mantage, huh, Paula! Did you see Rafas little cute walk on the way to practice court! By the way, you were at the fed/sod match?
1) yes the ride back is horrible
2) do you know what roger said when the mike went out.
There is so much about rafa that I like, but if he and roger meet in Sunday, which is a ways off and not guaranteed, rog had to take it. It is the only appropriate way for this story to go! Roger has to defy these slight odds against the brute and head strong rafa , and roger has to stay the king of new york. Rafa can and will win this another year, but not this one. For him to make history so soon is offensive to others!
Well they have matches to play yet so I’m a little head of myself, but this us open is so emotional for some reason!
Ah! Go roger!


stu Says:

haha that’s hilarious, jane…i think its my youzhny pick that got me a few extra points…most people have the same picks from the semis on i’m sure….

sorry about not responding to the messages on the tourneytopia website, everyone! i had no idea we could do that!


andrea Says:

grendel,

re: rafa close to tears.

i think verdasco was the last to serve at that AO semi, and if you watch the footage when the cameras are on nadal, he is actually tearing up; which he attributes to the overall emotional state he was in at that time.

a similar thing happened to fed after he finished serving to go up 5/3 in the last set of the FO final in 09. the enormity of the situation and how close he was to winning the thing was evident in his face…close to tears and he had to collect himself a bit.

i almost think it’s better to watch sports on TV so that you don’t miss these inspiring moments. unless you are front row of course!

is stan going to play another 5 setter??? hope not, or else the semi might not be so inspiring!


David Says:

Do you guys realize that Youzhny serves slower than Venus Williams? How is it possible for a men’s player to be top 15 in the world with his serve? He has 2 aces in this match and we’re almost in the fifth set.

I can’t even remember those aces. I don’t think he’s won more than a handful of points the whole match in which Wawrinka failed to get one of his serves back in play.

He sort of reminds me a little bit of this player Sjeng Schalken from the 90s. A really smooth hitter from the baseline. But what a tough way to make a living on the ATP Tour.


paula Says:

dari-
I understand you’re reasoning…when the final arrives- I mean, it’s all so emotional!

andrea- its true to see close-ups on tv beats nose bleed seats. My seats last night were not so bad, but not too close either. That said- seeing Fed (and soderling to a lesser degree) hit and play in real life is very different and much more impressive. It was fun. Tonight – we had tix, gave them away- we’ll watch at home. Too busy of a morning tomorrow. And I didn’t get to sleep until 2am last night…


David Says:

What do you know? He just got a service winner. A miracle.


Skorocel Says:

Don’t know if it was already posted here, but anyway, here it goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qud0NHgfwcs

HILARIOUS :-)


Wheeler Says:

Youzhny vs Wawrinka is so boring. Both erratic players who’ll eventually lose to Nadal. They both get tight and play crappy on important points. Not a high quality match.


contador Says:

david, i understand your point.

rafa is at the top of his game; and scheduling smarter than in 2008. he has improved- i see the serve. maybe the average speed is no different but he can pull out a speedier more powerful weapon when necessary for more easy points. it was not necessary against simon but he did practice it more against lopez. over his matches thus far at this tourny one can average serve speed percentages but the fact is, he does have a faster powerful serve, which didn’t magically appear over the past 2 weeks. to his credit, he has developed it after lots of practice. i don’t believe it’s as simple as a sudden slight change in grip, even if he has a spectacularly fast learning curve.

from 2004 thru 2007 i could sit back and revel in the beauty of federer tennis at its peak. even when a match was close or he lost ( but he won far more than lost) i didn’t get jitters. then the mono hit and what i feel before his matches has changed. now i see danger everywhere…true. he has lost to opponents like montanes and benneteau, older guys like himself that he should beat. the younger ones beating him like gulbis, i accept. it is inevitable, as it is inevitable that djoko can beat him in a GS now. berdych did it, soderling did it….his record in slams is more vulnerable this summer.

my point is: rafa is at his best, he’s 24, the prp injections clearly have helped his knees. he has improved his serve and is stronger than ever. if he was one of my faves, i would sit back and relax. he’s tough, not at all fragile.

sit back smile and relax – looks like it’s safe. i had 4 years of doing just that as a federer tennis fan. i can’t be a pig and expect roger to win and perform as he did in 2005 when he was 24. though he’s still not too bad. but at 29- it is different.

i will never like seeing federer lose, particularly in a slam. it does make it easier when it’s soderling or delpo. even prepared for a djoko win, should it happen or a murray win had he made it.

but the nadal fan fall-out ( not all nadal fans ) after a rafa win is what i dread the most – the wretched comments after AO 09 particularly. and the media. having some respect is reasonable request. but the haters will have no restraint.


dari Says:

Contador, you’re really working me up! But I REFUSE to prepare myself for this rafa fan fall out, I won’t even speak or think of it. R rafa has many years left in him as a strong young buck, fed will wind down soon, so this has got to be rogers year! If he beats rafa in the final getting #17, all the better.
First, rog gwen to rake care of another young gun, novak, and nadal has to beat a couple other guys and his history at uso.
Such drama this sport lends to! Of course that’s why it would be my favorite to play and watch!


David Says:

I hear you, Contador.

For what it’s worth, you won’t hear any trash talking out of me in case Rafa does beat Fed in the final.

I’d have no right to talk anyway because I’ve picked Fed as the big favorite from the beginning and I still see him as the solid favorite, although I have to acknowledge that Rafa has never looked better at the U.S. Open than in these first 4 matches.


dari Says:

Comeon, stan!


contador Says:

lol dari! i don’t intend to work you up. i will shut my mouth now!

was only trying to explain to david why he should relax and i can get the jitters….

when i read your post you typed “gwen” and at first i thought, yes! get that gwen steffani out of his box, she is a load of bad luck!!

you meant “going….” and my wish is yours. and yes the drama has me glued to this GS episode.

lets be honest – how many 5 setters can stan take?! this is actually a great match but what is not so great is the prize of winning….


David Says:

dari

There’s no guarantee that Rafa will ever get a better chance at a U.S. Open. In that sense, he should be the sentimental choice to win the title compared to Roger, who has just won so much in his career it’s bordering on the absurd.

Give someone else a chance! :)


David Says:

By the way, this Stan-Mikhail match is sort of the men’s equivalent of Stosur-Dementieva. I don’t know if anyone saw that but it was a real roller coaster.


Wheeler Says:

Someone needs to tell Fred Stolle the ESPN commentator not to exhale into the mike. It’s very annoying to constantly hear him breathe.


kimberly Says:

Just got back from playing tennis and have misheard brad gilbert say there have been over 100 unforced errors in this match?

Needless to say the finalist from this half will come from the night match.


paula Says:

I hate it when they show their feet. No pro tennis player- and this includes the ladies- should ever have their feet up close on TV. They take too much abuse and – eew.

That said, I’m enjoying this. I love a fiver setter. And these guys- it means so much to them.


David Says:

Kimberly,

Are you thinking the wind’s going to help Rafa? I think it will, with him being the more mentally tough player. Remember how well he handled the wind at the 09 IW.


contador Says:

thanks david. and the same is true from me. not a word of trash talk but if the haters are out in droves, i will disapear. i did enough battle with them in the aftermath of AO 09. what a waste of energy!

about this match? may the best one win…..sooon!

looks like it will be youzhny


Skeezerweezer Says:

Who’s gonna watch this jewel?

Martina Hingis(SUI)/Anna Kournikova(RUS)
vs.
Pat Cash(AUS)/Mats Wilander(SWE)


dari Says:

David! “give someone else a chance” is not the motto of competitive sports!
Besides I think rafa has plenty more chances to win uso. He is young and IMPROVING ALL THE TIME. Why is everyone treating rafa like a 29 year old with this last chance business? Cause Delpo will be back next year? Delpo who is gingerly practicing and playing while nadal is upping his serve 10+ mph and continuing to show smooth stuff at the net? No doubt a healthy Delpo is a huge threat, but its nothing this amazing spaniard can’t handle in the future.
As for the roger over rafa in uso final, that has the sonnets expiration date. Roger is getting older, and its been difficult for rafa to get to the final…. so far.
My point is, this match up here at uso is so precious, and if its only gonna happen once, I really want fed to come out on top and just cement that absurdity!


mem Says:

dari,

you said something quite interesting and i quote, “for him (rafa) to make history so soon is offensive to others.” who told you that? are you joking?

i take it that you are one of those who believe that history-making is reserved for certain ages and for certain races of people; are you saying that that a player doesn’t deserve his he doesn’t deserve to accomplish something that players older than him didn’t or haven’t achieved.

let’s use this scenario, your job for example; if you are committed to your job, and as a result, you are dependable, responsible, you produce quality work, your evaluations are excellent, and you deserve a promotion based on your performance. the worker next door is the opposite; he takes a nonchalant approach to his responsibility, his work is mediocre, his attendance is average, and basically his performance leaves much to be desired. a job vacancy becomes available, which is a promotion, you apply, the worker next door applies also. your boss tells you that your performance is excellent, but he’s has to first consider the worker next door because he is older and has been there longer. are you ok with that? how would you feel? in which case, do you think that you were treated fairly?

bottom line, it’s sad that too many people feel like you and many are supposingly intelligent professionals. it’s beyond belief that anyone would even ponder such a thought! when someone’s work warrants merit, he deserves it, doesn’t matter what age or nationality. i guess my kind of thinking is in the minority. nonetheless, comments like that never cease to amaze me.


jane Says:

I am hoping for Youz – go Bouncer! Let’s see that salute!

David says concisely: “When you really like a certain player, you see danger everywhere, imo.”

Yep, I agree. I think we just naturally fear for our faves; rational thinking goes bye-bye. Or even if rationally we know on paper that so-and-so have a 0-10 (Rafa vs. Verdasco) or 1-12 (Fed vs. Soda) or even a 0-4 (Nole vs. Gael) record we nonetheless think things like “There’s a first time for everything”, and “Those odds have to change sometimes”, or “But all those matches have been really close” (that one’s mine, lol).

Fear the worst; hope for the best.

Some are calmer or more optimistic, however. But many of us who love sports also like the drama and excitement of anticipating.


kimberly Says:

David—im hoping wind will favor rafa verdasco less consistent overall. But who knows. I just will pray :-)

Contador—no trash talk from me no matter what. I actually feel this site is mostly dominated by fed fans with far fewer rafa fans but higher quality blogs and posts then tennis talk which is loaded with rafa fand wearing rose colored glasses.


Skeezerweezer Says:

dari,

I am with you on that post :)


jane Says:

oops subject/verb disagreement – meant to say “so-and-so HAS”…brain dead.


dari Says:

Contador, the spell check and typing on that one is beyond even my usual!
Rafa fans got it easy! ;) winnnkkkkk!


jane Says:

“when someone’s work warrants merit, he deserves it, doesn’t matter what age or nationality.”

Well it’s hard to disagree with this!

I want a Nole WIN!! COME ON NOVAK! : )


grendel Says:

David
Youzhny’s first serve percentage in 4th set was 78. I don’t know how typical that is, but it suggests he wants to go for consistency. Maybe he could serve faster, but not enough faster to make it worth the risk of faulting. So it’s a reasonable position. Of course it does mean he doesn’t have a killer blow, which is perhaps why the person who apparently beats everyone in practice can never win a slam.

Talking of killer blows, Nadal has assiduously cultivated one for his serve and here’s why I think Contador is right. I’ve come down from the high induced by Fed’s lovely performance last night to look at the situation more soberly. Soderling, after all, was let down by his inability to serve great in the wind – effectively some free points for Fed. He will not get these free points from Nadal, who will certainly serve at his best, wind or no wind. Fed is so good that (assuming he beats Djokovic)he is bound to do what nobody else has been able to do and take a couple of sets off Nadal. But even when Fed is playing lights out, he gives opportunities to his opponent. Soderling had his chance yesterday – he didn’t take it. If Federer is to beat Nadal, he will have to play even better than he did against Soderling. Can he? I don’t know about Djokovic, because other factors (like Fed to a degree being in Djoko’s head) come into play.

Andrea – you have jogged my memory about Fed tearing up at RG ’09. But I really don’t recall Nadal doing the same at that Verdasco match. It’s still curious, anyway. Federer could feel the imminence of victory – but with Nadal, that was in doubt till the very end, so you’d think the emotion would be kept in check till he was safe. Perhaps it doesn’t work like that.


jane Says:

Good job Youz! Love that little salute. Nice fight and GREAT tournament Stan!


paula Says:

AWWW! so cute. His accent is so awesome.

I feel for Stan….

sigh. It’s so hard when you like both players- and that is how I feel for everyone left. Although I don’t think Nando, also know as the ladies choice (lots of ladies choices..he’s one big one though)has much of a chance. I think Nole and Fed will be more interesting. BUT YOU NEVER KNOW!!!??!!! That’s why tennis is so fun.


Kimmi Says:

hey guys

enough is going on in this USO. trying to catch up. GO HOT SAUCE, though not many giving him a chance..even an avid fan like me.

Too many jitters for the fed. crunch time, crunch time.

Youzhy to the semi. congratulation!. but need to step aside for rafa i am afraid.

The biggest semi will be Djoko vs fed. nothing else, nothing more! let the best man win.


David Says:

Dari

I don’t think Fed is going anywhere either. I take him at his word that he’ll still be around when he’s 35 and he’ll probably be just like Agassi, or even better, at that age.

So you never know. Rafa might retire before Fed!

In any case, you’re right this matchup would be precious. That’s why, if it happens, I’ll be pleading at my TV screen trying to will Rafa to victory.


Skeezerweezer Says:

mem you can kick my butt for chimin it but this is how I saw the post,

dari was responding to ;

“give someone else a chance”

you were saying

“when someone’s work warrants merit, he deserves it, doesn’t matter what age or nationality”,

so exactly, “it’s who deserves it not who is owed”, no? Don’t get what you were debating, course I have one eye and a double chin with 18 ” scar on my face….


grendel Says:

I read Dari’s comment:”for him (rafa) to make history so soon is offensive to others.” in the same light as McEnroe’s nervously joky comment before his first Wimbie final, to the effect that perhaps Borg, who had already won so much, wouldn’t mind letting him, McEnroe, win this one.


David Says:

grendel

Fair point about Youzhny’s serving. He’s not that big of a guy so obviously it’s tough for him to serve much bigger than he does. And his high % strategy certainly worked out for him this match.

As for Fedal, I think the story of their matchups has been the missed opportunities by Fed. Sure, players have opportunities they have to take against Roger, but it works the other way too. How many times has Fed failed to convert multiple break point opportunities against Rafa? Maybe on Sunday, if they play, that will change and it will be Rafa frustrated at not being able to break serve and Fed who needs just one break point to win a set.

I’m still seeing Fed as the solid favorite, but hopefully I’ll have to eat all my predictions. There won’t be a happier person to admit he’s wrong, I can assure you of that.


Kimo Says:

Oh man!!! It went to five sets? Now Rafa will not even be challenged until he reaches the final.


Skeezerweezer Says:

David,

I have called Rafa the Fav since the get go, as the tourney goes the draw has been very favorable for him, and I still stand by it. So, we’re on!


grendel Says:

“How many times has Fed failed to convert multiple break point opportunities against Rafa?”

Not an easy man to break, Rafa. You may have noticed no one has done so yet in this tourney. Fed’s best hope with Rafa is to get him into 3 tiebreaks. And then he’s got to win all 3. Well!


Skeezerweezer Says:

Biggest obstacle in the for the Fedal not to happen? Novak by a friggin mile!


Skeezerweezer Says:

Biggest obstacle for the Fedal not ….typing to fast…:(


Skeezerweezer Says:

Ok…got the “very difficult” part….:) Ok Rafa/Hot Sauce lets make some magic


mem Says:

skeezer,

does roger give anybody else a chance? did he surpass pete by giving others a chance? how do you think he got 16 slams and reached 23 consecutive semis. roger has achieved more than rafa, why don’t you ask him to give someone else a chance. why does he need #17? you know what, i think you people actually believe what you are saying. you guys have thought like that for so long until you actually think is logical. it’s scary! this is a competition! athletes would laugh you out the country if you made that of statement to one of them. do you think michael jordan gave anything away because he had already won multiple championships, do you think tiger woods gives something away because he has already won so much. you don’t do the work you don’t get the pay. sadly enough, you guys have a distorted view of competitive sports. it’s shocking to me how you people discuss tennis 24/7 and yet you think that a player should give something away! do you understand that kind of thinking is abnormal. i have heard it all! say no more!


grendel Says:

of course.Some people see Djokovic as favourite, and that’s a reasonable position. Also, whereas Youzhny is still there because of the freakish nature of draws, match ups especially, but he has now shot his bolt,Verdasco is in with a small shot.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Yes Fed has a greeeaaat chance and I hope he gets to play Rafa, and I am sure Fed does too. I am cheering for him all the way! That doesn’t mean I think he is the fav in this tourney. Your guy is the current #1 world ranked player AND seeded # 1 in this tourney, and has earned it. He is the guy to beat, and you know it.


Ike Says:

big game tonight….

Vikings at Saints

hope it will be a thriller like last year’s NFC Championship game!

Re.tennis: this should be 3 straight sets win for Rafa!


Kimo Says:

mem, you are so right. I mean, there are those who say Roger should let Rafa get this one to complete his own career slam. Between you and me, I don’t think they had the same sentiment when Rafa denied Roger the career slam in 05, 06, 07 and 08 by denying him in Roland Garros.


Ike Says:

if u watching online check-out (it u haven’t done it already)

http://espn.go.com/espn3/player?id=35396&league=US%20Open

instead of official USO website streaming…


zinaldo Says:

No way is verdasco doing anything today,he is the only player that can rival roger in the stupid unforced errors department.


David Says:

mem

I don’t think anyone literally means Fed should go out there and tank matches or just retire so that he doesn’t win anymore.

It’s just a figure of speech to say “give someone else a chance.” Just my frustration at how incredibly great and dominant he’s been.

I would think by now people would be happy for something new, seeing as Fed already has the Slam record and all. But I guess since they’ve been rooting for him all these years they’re not going to stop now.


David Says:

zinaldo

Give it up. You’ve already won the “most negative Fed fan” award. You don’t need to do anything else.


Ike Says:

grendel

“of course.Some people see Djokovic as favourite”…seriously?

There is no way Nole can beat Fed, (i m Nole fan, but i don’t think he has game to beat Fed)

i think we should get ready for “Battle Royale”


Kimo Says:

Tim Ryan and Luke Jensen are talking about how changing your racket can sometimes cost you your career. Now, Novak’s racket change did not cost him his career, but I don’t think he’s the same player since he made the switch. He no longer hits as hard or as flat as he used to back in 07/08.


zinaldo Says:

Why can’t they build a roof like at wimbledon man.


mem Says:

skeezer,

i don’t give a rat’s tail who the favorite is or who the one to beat is, never has and never will. i care about results!

if “being the favorite” , “being seeded #1, being ranked #1, doesn’t guarantee a win, it doesn’t mean squat to me. maybe, that’s what you are hung up on; i’m certainly not.


zinaldo Says:

Nadal is going to be on proper pusher mode today not giving anything away.


Skeezerweezer Says:

hot sauce already whining not a good sign for him, but it is VERY windy right now


Ike Says:

Kimo

wud be good point for research re. Nole’s racquet switch and his career…


zinaldo Says:

Come on verdy.


paula Says:

What David said. No one could actually mean that Fed should tank a match. But then again, I’ve been amazed at the things people say here in earnest- as in, I thought some comments were jokes and they were not. So- I would hope that David is right and I read the comments like he did.


Kimo Says:

Verdasco’s forehand, when it’s firing, is beautiful to watch.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Yeah Paula same here :)


paula Says:

Regarding racquets- I threw this out there before- I happen to own both Nole’s past Wilson and his new Head and they are very very different racquets. THa said- there was this cool thing on the tennis channel about how pros literally take apart the racquet completely and rebuild them- with weights and lead tape and so on. It’s very much a custom job. Frankly, that Wilson he played with is a club. For all we know is that if he were still using it, he’d be having shoulder surgery a la Joaquim Johanson and have no career.


Kimo Says:

LOL, now can we finally stop all the pretentious BS about Rafa not being broken so far?

The first player he plays who has a decent return and he gets broken.

If I’m Verdasco, I take this break and run away with the set coz this break is definitely gonna do a number of Rafa’s mind.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Geez Nando, I was just jokin about the whinin….lol


Skeezerweezer Says:

Kimo,

The wind will be with Rafa here…so we’ll see…:)


paula Says:

Also, I wish these guys were playing with their shirts off. I’ve seen them both with their shirts off on practice courts in the past years…and well, I think it would improve their games. And, like, be good for tennis. And, like, make me happy.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Paula!

Reveal your intentions you have :)

Yoda


Kimo Says:

Skeeze, Nando broke from the more difficult side of the court for him because he hits the ball very flat and when the wind is behind you it will fly. Rafa, who plays with a lot of spin, would benefit from the wind behind his back, but so far he hasn’t coz Nando can hit through the wind and is being much more aggressive.

Nando holds :)


grendel Says:

Ike – the pattern I seem usually to see with Djoko/Fed is Fed storming out and cutting a sleepy Novak down. But at some point, the roles are reversed. So first one looks unbeatable, and then the other. But there is a 3rd act. It seems to me that one’s up for grabs. And that may well be a mental thing. Who, deep down, wants it most? I don’t pretend to understand these things, but there’s no doubt about it. I was startled once to see a bloodied boxer, being interviewed after his fight, assert that boxing was a mental sport. As one watched him spitting blood out and fingering a wobbly looking nose, this remark has its funny side – but what he was really talking about, I suppose, was will and determination.

Who’s got it more out of Djoko and Fed? No idea.


Kimo Says:

Good to see that some people in the stands are cheering for Fernando.


David Says:

I think Rafa’s going to get a chance to break in the next game. This match should be 3-3 anyway. Rafa missed a couple of easy forehands otherwise he would’ve broken right back after he got broken.


grendel Says:

Simon has an excellent return, but he couldn’t manage it. Verdasco is phenomenally talented, and can bully anyone on the court. The question is: can he keep it up?
Talking of rackets, Verdasco’s return to form coincided with his reverting to his old racket. Why can’t Djokovic do the same, even if it has been two years?


fed is afraid Says:

go rafa
please don’t lose this


David Says:

Kimo

I seriously doubt Rafa thought he was going to go the entire tournament without losing his serve once.

I don’t even think Sampras ever did that at Wimbledon.


Kimo Says:

David said:

“This match should be 3-3 anyway. Rafa missed a couple of easy forehands otherwise he would’ve broken right back after he got broken.”

WOW. Just WOW. You’re giving Rafa credit for MISSING two forehands.


Skeezerweezer Says:

“,,,,coincided with his reverting to his old racket”

grendel or anyone know what this is?


Kimo Says:

grendel said:

“Talking of rackets, Verdasco’s return to form coincided with his reverting to his old racket. Why can’t Djokovic do the same, even if it has been two years?”

One word: Money. He is endorsed by Head. He can’t just switch back. Well, he can, but I’m sure there will be some kind of fee to buy himself out of the contract.


paula Says:

Re: racquets- these players get paid the big bucks to wield the racquets they have. Signed contracts- covering years. So, Nole can’t switch until his contract is up. I personally like his Head better- like I said, that Wilson does serious damage to the shoulder in my experience. But- I’m not 2 something…still.

Lots of people say that Roddick switching racquets is why his game weakened. Other people blamed it on the coach changes. I think it’s hard to pinpoint what causes what. But it’s entertaining to speculate.


tenisbebe Says:

The announcers talked about the racquet reversal coinciding with Nando’s return to form.


grendel Says:

Skeezer – the commentators mentioned the racket business in one of Verdasco’s matches, but didn’t elaborate unfortunately.

fed is afraid Says:
go rafa
please don’t lose this

Is fed is afraid – afraid? Honestly, the first little sign of opposition! Don’t you think your man is made of stronger stuff? Nadal in straights.


fed is afraid Says:

yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Daniel Says:

2 Doubles in a row, this reminds me of something…


paula Says:

Dunlop Aero Gel is the racquet Nando plays with now.

I love racquet geekery.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Rafa,

Can I give you this game please?


Kimo Says:

On man. Verdasco still can’t serve a 2nd serve to save his life.


Dari Says:

whoa, i go to dinner, stan loses, rafa gets broken and people take my thing about makining history so quick “offensive” as quite literal.
MEM- its just one of those things where the other people who have also made history watch someone else do it much more quickly, and you drop your jaw and scoff a little. “well it took me x years, and little guy comes up and does it in x-5!”
rafa is CERTAINLY deserving of everything he could possibly earn in this sport, age, nationality, whatever aside (i could be really insulted if you think im saying cause rafa is spaniard or whatnot he is undeserving, but that is so far off of my mindset that i cant even!).
it prob just bruises the others a little to think how quickly they did it. after they feel the bruise for a second, they say, WOWWWWW!
to be fair, you could even say roger breaking pete’s record was offensive! HA!
anyway, poor stan, and wow to great tennis right now! long way to go!
and the prodigy breaks back! rafa fans, never fear!


zinaldo Says:

Rafa the cheat has made an entrance.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Paula,

Impressive! Tx :)


tenisbebe Says:

Man oh man. Two double to get broken.


Kimo Says:

paula, actually I think that’s the racket he’s been stuggling with pre-US Open.

By the looks of it I say that the racket he’s using right now is his old trustworthy Technifibre.


fed is afraid Says:

yep i’m afraid verdasco looks good


Kimo Says:

For all the talk about how Rafa has improved on fast hardcourts this year, he can still get blasted off the court if his opponent has the means to do so.


David Says:

Sheesh, Nando’s forehand is just monstrous. It’s up there with Gonzo’s.


paula Says:

Kimo-
you could be right. Now I’m really curious.


Dari Says:

F*in fire in arthur ashe right now.


zinaldo Says:

This match is over,like always a spanish player has come to bend over for the queen rafa,just pure pathetic to see these men not be able to play their real game against the so called chosen one.

Please can someone explain to me how someone who is left handed can’t handle another lefty spin serve.


Kimo Says:

COACHING!!!!


paula Says:

Zinaldo- because they mostly return righties.


zinaldo Says:

If verdi had murray or djokovic backhand he would a world beater.


grendel Says:

But you knew Verdasco was good. That was never at issue. The question was always going to be: can Verdasco play someone like Nadal without engaging in self-sabotaging manoeuvres? Looks like we’ve got our answer.


zinaldo Says:

Nadal is moonballing and Slicing every balls proper pusher mode.


Gannu Says:

This verdasco- nadal match is riduclous.. verdasco bends in front of rafa serves 2 double faults to donate the break.. illegal coaching by Toni in the stands,,, and we are forced to see such classless No 1… Just strip that No 1 off and give it to the rightful owner…


Kimo Says:

If Fernando wins this first set, it will be HUGE. I’m not saying he’ll win the match, that’s highly unlikely, but if he doesn’t win the first set it’ll be two quick sets for Rafa after that.


zinaldo Says:

Verdi backhand is pants.


Kimo Says:

Dear Rafa, can I give you the first set? Jeez!


fed is afraid Says:

2 more baby!!!!!!!!!!!


paula Says:

Anybody think the guy narrating the Chivas ad sounds just like the Gecko from the car insurance ads?


grendel Says:

I assumed money would have something to do with it. But it doesn’t make sense. If it is correct that Djoko’s “new” racket is a liability to him, it means he is not winning as many matches as he should. Therefor, he is losing a lot of prize money. Perhaps the problem is: he has now got used to this racket, and even though it is a permanant liability, going back to the old one wouldn’t be any good, because he’s lost the feel of that – it might take him a year or so to get the proper use of that back. I know nothing of these matters, incidentally, but it’s always interesting to speculate why people do things which appear to be self-defeating.


zinaldo Says:

Just ridiculous to see a pure pusher just bring players down,nadal just beats people mentally which is why they make so many unforced errors,i bet they must have been partying soon as they saw murray get knocked out by wawrinka because he is the only player who actually outlast nadal on hard court.

Nadal gets to the final and if he meets roger,for me he is definitely winning his first us open but djoker might actually beat him as he is game doesn’t give so many loopholes for rafa to target.


i am it Says:

Did not Verdasco say it is better to lose to “my country man”? He is very good at keeping his promise. Good man !


i am it Says:

I think Verdasco is celebrating his quarterfinal achievement by losing to the Spain’s God? Very faithful.


tennislover Says:

Rather tame end to that first set. One got the feeling that the first set was extremely important for Verdasco. I wonder if he has any belief now. Not that it is likely to matter ultimately. Nadal is serving great. Never seen him getting so many free points off his serve. This guy is getting scarier with each passing day!


Kimmi Says:

i am it – nice. hot sauce sure has acted that was in that first set.. lets see what he bring in set two.


zinaldo Says:

This match is over,people go to bed.


Skorocel Says:

zinaldo: If Nadal was just pure “pusher” (like Hewitt, Chang, Canas, or Monfils), he definitely WOULDN’T have won 8 (EIGHT) grandslams… Hewitt and Chang were good, but, unlike Nadal, they didn’t have any weapon. Nadal has his FH, and that’s what separates him from what you call a “pure pusher”…


zinaldo Says:

Nadal has learned the trick,verdi backhand is as pants as roger and he is pretty much putting all of his attack through but from time to time going for his money shot the cross court forehand with added flatness and spin to make it stay low so avoiding verdi setting his massive forehands.


zinaldo Says:

No nadal has a lefty forehand,great set of wheels and most of his titles have come where his big advantage of serving to people backhand is really high and the courts also help.


i am it Says:

Kimmi, are you seriously hoping that Hot Sauce will bring anything other than I-bow-to-you-my master”?
If he takes a set off Rafa, never believe a word I say on this forum.
That is disappointing. Sorry.


paula Says:

Cialis ad…um, that dude looks like he’s 32. 32 yr old with a weiney problem? It’s just not realistic.


zinaldo Says:

Nadal has to think his lucky stars as he doesn’t have to play the 3 players at their best that would surely hammer him here,in djoker,del potro and murray.


i am it Says:

Ths match is being played for formality.
Verdasco does good drama by making his face as if he were trying. With slice against Rafa?


zinaldo Says:

I swear dude,really it is incredible just how rubbish tactics some players try against someone who uses the most spin in his shots.

I swear i can’t wait for hopefully a fit and in form del potro because alongside maybe murray he is the only who actually doesn’t fear nadal and i have to say makes rafa nervous everytime they play.

I would even say that he could really become a big problem for nadal at the french given that his game and height takes away rafa tactics of peppering the backhand so much.


Kimmi Says:

i am it – sure we will believe what you say because hot sauce will continue to bow down big time.

But lets give credit to the bull. the bull just raised his game, not looking back. verdasco chances were in that first set..can’t see him coming back. hope i am wrong though…


fed is afraid Says:

roger is also lucky that del potro isn’t here.


jane Says:

I don’t go it for the conspiracy theories; no way would Rafa’s compatriots just say “here, you have it.” At least that’s my opinion.

I watched Nole’s interview today and he was asked about his “banana skin” match with Troicki in the first round. I thought he answered quite candidly in that he said when you’re playing a cohort there are all sorts of underlying (meaning NOT conscious) feelings and factors involved that might come into play in the big points, so maybe, when Stan plays Fed, for e.g., he chokes a little when it really matters? Or maybe he has a certain awe.

For me, I’d like to try to give all these guys the respect I think they deserve and the benefit of the doubt. They play to win, but that doesn’t mean that maybe there are psychological issues bubbling under the surface. Nothing malevolent, just one more aspect of the game and match ups between countrymen.

Both Rafa and Fed are great players and great for the sport.

Still, I hope Novak beats them both! I know I don’t have a hope in hell but I am still hoping!!

It’d be nice for him to have his second (i.e., NOT 17th or 9th) slam at the place where he’s made the semis 4 years in a row. Oh, if only they doled out trophies benevolently. ha ha.


paula Says:

“For me, I’d like to try to give all these guys the respect I think they deserve and the benefit of the doubt. They play to win, but that doesn’t mean that maybe there are psychological issues bubbling under the surface. Nothing malevolent, just one more aspect of the game and match ups between countrymen.”

Aw, jane! I love how reasonable this comment is.


jane Says:

“that maybe there are ” should be “that maybe there are NOT”


zinaldo Says:

Yeah but roger can beat del potro as long as he doesn’t try to make it a forehand vs forehand game because he has so much variety like he did for the fist 2 sets.

Whereas nadal is a pusher who only wins because he is left handed and has a great set of wheels to run down balls and then burn people mentally so they can’t hit shots anymore.

Wait we are all going to see i think juan martin has played this really well as he will or should be back for the paris masters to properly hand another hammering to king pusher and people will be wondering how come a player that has been out of action for such a long time can beat the so called number 1.


Andrew Miller Says:

Djokovic is positioned to play spoiler – he’d have to do his best Del Potro US Open 2009 impression and run through Federer and Nadal to win the Slam.

Verdasco’s look at the scoreboard made me wonder if he’s (A) Wondering what he has to do to make this a match, (B) Trying to figure out when the next flight out to Vegas, or Madrid, is, or (C) Thinking about dinner.

I’m thinking it’s C. New York City has a lot of good grubb!


zinaldo Says:

Nadal is everything that is wrong with tennis,a moonballer,cheater,butt picker and smelling it,pusher a bad sportmanship.


Kimo Says:

Rafa had only five winners in that 2nd set. Not a pusher? Gimme a break.


Andrew Miller Says:

Nadal is definitely the reason tennis is as exciting as it is these days. He gave Federer a true rival. The sport needs it. I have no idea whether Nadal likes tennis, but he’s one of the best players the sport’s ever seen.


i am it Says:

“Oh, if only they doled out trophies benevolently. ha ha.”
I’d take it.

And sure Gab and Istomin are better than Verdasco, maybe subconsciously.


paula Says:

“Whereas nadal is a pusher who only wins because he is left handed and has a great set of wheels to run down balls and then burn people mentally so they can’t hit shots anymore.”

Do you think the mental aspect of the game should not be relevant? And regarding pushing- um, getting balls back is not a good strategy? I’m confused. Also, are you drunk? Cause I am, and you’re comments are confusing me. Also, if you are not drunk- wow, you have a great silliness that I am enjoying.


zinaldo Says:

Is it me but does nadal looks the to moonball the ball on every service return he has to make,that must be why he is hitting so many shots long at times.

Roger to beat nadal is going to have to be attacking the net on some good approach shots because from the back of the court,soon as rafa starts putting them balls high up his shoulders it would be bye bye.


jane Says:

i am it, I don’t think Verdasco is handling the conditions as well as Rafa, after all, he plays wilder, more aggressive tennis than Rafa on calm days (witness the double faults and long forehands). Plus, it might be that he’s just a little worn out from the Ferrer marathon the other night?? He did have some sort of injury at Cincy. Anyhow, I thought he’d get a set at most tonight. To me, Rafa’s form has just looked consistently better than Hotsauce’s since the beginning of the tournament. No offense to Verdy. On the positive side for Fernando, he’s the first guy to break Rafa’s serve here. Only he couldn’t hold onto his own, much like Soderling after his 3 breaks last night. Rafa and Fed are just a tier above, i guess.


contador Says:

i am it-

glad you are back posting and making me laugh- tx!


paula Says:

“Nadal is everything that is wrong with tennis,a moonballer,cheater,butt picker and smelling it,pusher a bad sportmanship.”

HAHAHAHA. Oh man, this is hilarious.


jane Says:

Oh and i am it, I’d take it too. ;)


paula Says:

BTW- Zinaldo and other tennis x peeps- I love Rafa. I assume you are joking.


zinaldo Says:

nadal game relies a lot more on opponents missing shots whereas roger makes more winners which is why he wins so many slams.

You just have to look at most nadal matches,he hits less winners but because he makes less unforced errors than his opponents.

Roger comes to win by beating you whereas nadal comes and makes beat yourself so for me if and whenever he meets an in form player a la del potro,murray on hard court or even on his clay he will be likely to lose more often if they don’t give him his accustomed 40 erros.


i am it Says:

Jane, you are too serious.
Injured Verdi can reach the quarter. If he were healthy and not tired, we know the wonders he can do.

Thanks, conty, I wish I could be laughable all the time for you.


Von Says:

I wonder who gets more bashing on this site, Nadal or Roddick?

It’s sad to see the ones who claim there should be no bashing, even though others are not bashing, but mainly speaking the truth as they see it, which is something many can’t handle. On the flip side, those same people are engaging in hate-speak, being defensive, obsessive and hateful, but all’s AOK.

It’s strange how people’s allegiance change. Last year, one of the biggest Joker followers now on this site, swooped in bashing his *skinny/bony ass* and his most favored fan also came into a tongue lashing. Eventually, what I feel is a pseudo-friendship evolved, resulting in what’s now a great allegiance to the Joker. It’s truly amazing.

I was asked why is it I hate everyone, yet over the past few days I’ve seen the one asking me that question blasting everyone who dares to speak even a smidgen of truth, and still bashing the other site where she’s a frequent visitor. OY VEY.

Oh Well, there’s more to come, from “as the world turns” on Tennis.x.


Von Says:

Question: Did the Joker play absolutely fantastic tennis, or did Monfils play like a nerd and handed the match to him. The same parallel can be applied to Verdasco, but how many want to admit that’s the case?


paula Says:

Zinaldo, your grasp of the English language is beautiful. You are truly a wonder. I also really like your analysis of tennis. It’s very acute. I really hope you’re drunk like me.


sonic Says:

Bad luck for Verdasco, the wind is not good for flat hitters. Nadal is unbeatable in conditions this windy…nothing counters wind like spin.

Not to take anything from Rafa who’s playing great. I keep trying to imagine Federer on the other side in these conditions and can only see a trashing similar to 2008 RG final.


Von Says:

correction to my 10:38 post.

“The same parallel can be applied to Verdasco, but how many want to admit that’s the case?”

s/b the same analogy most are using for verdasco, can be applied to Monfils, who did a worse job and to quote another poster, is a complete waste of talent. Verdasco is competing, but did Monfils even TRY to compete?


zinaldo Says:

Sorry but i can’t see roger beating roger with his consistency problems now days and that weak backhand would be like a breakfast to rafa.


Eric Says:

Wow, what a “surprise.” I go out with Verdasco up 4-2 in the first set and come back to see that he pissed away his lead, and almost the rest of the match now with it.


zinaldo Says:

Nadal is the anti roger sorry but roger of his prime 2005 to 2007 would seriously hammer rafa on this surface as rafa would just be trying to keep balls into play and roger would be hitting winners left and right.


jane Says:

“i can’t see roger beating roger ” – that would indeed be difficult.


mem Says:

zinaldo,

you’re funny! you sound just like the mcenroe brothers, they are embarrassingly funny too!


paula Says:

Jane-I think it would be almost like travelling in time in space for the Rog. We don’t have the technology.


zinaldo Says:

Yeah this roger would struggle to beat a consistent,moonballing,pusher at his best rafa and don’t forget rafa money shot the cross court forehand what is roger going to do to deal with his almost non existent backhand.


zinaldo Says:

Please del potro come back strong as only you seems to have the mental and the play to not get bullied and wore down by this bull.


paula Says:

Also, it would be really cool if tennis players could travel in time through space and – like, play on Mars. Damn, this game could be so much more realistic about tennis players’ abilities if we could all go to Mars and play during some time warp.


jane Says:

Speaking personally, I didn’t see the Monfils vs. Djoko match but from what I read, Monfils played like a “knucklehead” (to quote one article) and also he did not have the patience to deal with the wind effectively, as per himself in his post-match presser.

It’ll be interesting to read what Verdasco says about tonight.

Also, last year, Verdasco made the quarterfinals where he was playing with an injury (his foot) for which he had surgery after. Nole won in 4 sets, and the weather was ideal. If in fact Verdy does have another injury this year (he was treated at Cincy on the court but I don’t know how serious it was) he’s now made the quarters two years in a row with an injury. Not too shabby on his part.


Ike Says:

well, it’s getting very interesting….

Saints 14 – Vikings 9

need a TouchDown for Vikes…


i am it Says:

Oh, I even throw down my racket when I salute my king. We have monarchy in Spain.
When was the last time Verdi win ONE point on Rafa’s serve?
I lost my memory. It hurts.


zinaldo Says:

Come on verdi beat this fake champion and cheat.


dari Says:

Mem, don’t insult the mcenroe bros with that comparison. Jmac loves/is in awe of rafa and they know tons!
Rafa is basically about to make it to the final, done!


zinaldo Says:

That is nadal for you,his matches are always close even when he looks like he has pretty never been in trouble,why because he relies so much on his opponents missing and handing him cheap points.


Kimmi Says:

mine is bigger than yours..hahahahaha

anyways, from what i see..nadal to win USO 2010. I hope others will prove me wrong though.


Kimo Says:

Match.

The 2nd and 3rd sets were all Rafa, but if you look at the first set, Verdasco had Rafa on his back foot chasing balls. I think that’s a good sign for Fed.

sonic said:

“Bad luck for Verdasco, the wind is not good for flat hitters. Nadal is unbeatable in conditions this windy…nothing counters wind like spin.

Not to take anything from Rafa who’s playing great. I keep trying to imagine Federer on the other side in these conditions and can only see a trashing similar to 2008 RG final.”

And the most asinine statement of the day goes to sonic. Did you even watch last night’s match? Did you see how Roger handled the wind?

Some people on this site sometime seem to forget that Roger is a five time champion in New York. There’s a reason why Roger has five US Opens and why Rafa has none.


paula Says:

AWWWW- so sweet. What a man.


i am it Says:

Kimmi says: “from what i see..nadal to win USO 2010″ because he beat Verdasco.
I like the conclusion.


Von Says:

The hatespeak we’re seeing about Verdasco not competing is similar to that which was moaned and groaned over for weeks after Nadal beat Fed at the FO in 2008. One of the main characters on this site headed that beration of Fed by stating he never tried to compete — that person wanted a better match, e.g., 5 sets of better tennis. It’s like a soap opera here on these threads, but we all need to have potent memories as many have conveniently lost theirs.


zinaldo Says:

Yes but rafa is in his roger head and everytime or almost each time they play rafa always manages to make roger so nervous he can never truly play at his best level or at least keep the stupid unforced errors low.

But also the shyness roger or gutless way roger seems at times on break points against rafa is another thing that really gets to me,it is as if he is afraid rafa would beat him up if he broke him which is something that has now transferred to most of his matches on tour as his break points conversion has drastically gone way down.


dari Says:

Time to start cheering rog in the djokovic match! Let’s go, maestro! Get yourself into that final!


David Says:

Kimo

Not me. I’m as big a Rafa fan as there is, but Roger’s the favorite. I think a lot will depend on how well Fed serves. When Rafa got that win in AO, Roger served 51 percent. He’s not likely to do that again. This court’s faster as well, so most likely result in Fed in 4 sets.


Kimo Says:

zinaldo, you’re just about the most obnoxious person on this site. You thrash both Roger and Rafa. Why the hell are you even watching?


Von Says:

zinaldo: “Yes but rafa is in his roger head and everytime or almost each time they play rafa always manages to make roger so nervous he can never truly play at his best level or at least keep the stupid unforced errors low.”

Same goes for Roddick, he becomes a mental mess playing vs. Fed. Some refuse to see it that way when I mentioned that scenario way back when. These guys are human beings and the mind/brain is a fragile organ.


zinaldo Says:

Because i love them both in different ways i guess,i wish roger would be as tough mentally as nadal and i wish rafa could be as attacking minded as roger instead of just waiting for his opponents to make mistakes or peppering their backhands.


paula Says:

Kimo- I think Zinaldo is drunk. I am too, btw. But his/her comments are hilarious! They cannot be serious. I am sometimes not serious, but I love both Rog and Rafa and Nole- I love tennis. I love most of the players.


Andrew Miller Says:

Verdasco and FLopez (who I used to refer to as Sco and FLO) have done a truly admirable job since Davis Cup 2008, by playing up to their potential. I thought they both were fast becoming the biggest wastes of talent on tour, but both through Davis Cup victory and beyond have proven that there is such a thing as becoming better players.

Some other players on tour should take notice. I think their improvement is one of the big stories on the tour (the others would be Federer and Nadal and their annual improvement, Roddick’s quest, Soderling’s rise, and, shocker of shockers, Jurgen Melzer’s improvement).

Probably of all players Melzer is most improved. He played an excellent slam season from French Open right on through Flushing Meadows. The U.S. could do worse than to have Jurgen’s results this year.


Andrew Miller Says:

(Melzer had a way better year than Gulbis – and Gulbis had been the talk of the town!)


mem Says:

dari,

are you that naive? when did john mcenroe start loving nadal? are you really that naive? john mcenroe is as transparent as plastic.

if the mcenroe brothers know a ton they should focus on the match and not on trying to throw out accusations against nadal and his team. that’s childish and petty for grown so-called professionals. the other night john mcenroe said something to the effect of what’s in nadal water bottle beside water and he laughed as if it was a joke. he knew exactly what he doing throwing the meat to the fans so they can chew on it and share with others. then act as if they don’t ever see these other players being coached. you call what they do unbiased commentary. give me a break!


Kimo Says:

zinaldo, it sound like you hate them both, not love them both.

Try to be more positive coz ur ruining everybody’s night here.


jane Says:

J-Mac picked Rafa to win the USO didn’t he?


David Says:

Really idiotic comments on this site about so-called “pushing.” Sorry to say, the new racquet technology has eliminated “pushing.” If you hit a true push shot in tennis – meaning a flat moonball – even if you lob it perfectly and it lands a foot from the baseline, the other player will still hit a clean winner. I saw Wawrinka do it against Youzhny 2 or 3 times when he put up a couple shots that were closest to what he could say is “pushing” in men’s tennis. These guys have too much racquet head speed and too good a technique for anyone to push.

Now, if you refer to the ridiculously spinning ball Rafa hits as “pushing,” you’re just an ignoramus when it comes to tennis, that’s all there is to it. Any pro would just laugh you out of the room if you talked like that in front of them.


guy Says:

zinaldo, you’re clearly a very intelligent person, so maybe you can solve this riddle.

if nadal is just a pusher, moonballing his way to victory, how did he hit more winners than berdych in the wimbledon final?
nadal:29
berdych:27

when you take the aces out [nadal 5, berdych 13]
these are the ground winners, wait for it…
nadal: 24
berdych:14

and last time i checked, berdych isn’t known for ‘pushing’.

i know it’s hard for many federer fans to come to terms with, but nadal has a evolved into an aggressive baseliner, not the most aggressive, but aggressive none the less.


paula Says:

I thought Johnny Mac loved Nadal. Remember when he wore those longish pants- to be like Nadal? Did I miss something?


contador Says:

aw, i am it. you are too sweet.

one of my favorite quotes from WC Fields came to mind while thinking of fernando verdasco – before i fall asleep:

“If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There’s no point in being a damn fool about it.”

g’nite : )


David Says:

It’s obvious that zinaldo loves Fed, but for some reason is scared to death that Rafa’s going to beat him in Sunday’s final.

Fed’s the greatest player of all time, imo. He doesn’t need some whiner of a “fan” like zinaldo.


guy Says:

and just for fun, everyone likes to play the numbers game to claim federer’s superiority.
but fed has a 5 year head start
this is more useful:
http://www.nadalvsfederer.com/nadal-vs-federer-head-for-head-at-age-24/


tenisbebe Says:

Hilariously stupid.

I am very impressed with the way Raphael adjusted to the conditions mid first set whereas Nando who started out so well dealing with the conditions has fallen apart. Great footwork and court sense from Rafa. This wind really sucks – I hate playing when its windy – and deprived the fans of an epic Nadal/Nando match.


kimberly Says:

David and other rafa fans, congrats to us all! I am amazed at the anger and bitterness towards rafa during this match. What’s to hate about a player who goes out and tries his hardest on every point?


guy Says:

we’ll only know who the greatest is when nadal retires.


dari Says:

Mem, I don’t pay attention to sensational, water bottle that ain’t nothing.
Johnnie drops his jaw every nadal match and picks rafa for everything. He praises his mental toughness and insists that rafa is the best at net of anybody, including roger. he has called him his lefty brother. You can call me naive, but I’m not gonna play reading into comments I’m gonna stick to what he has been saying the past year or so.


kimberly Says:

Ok, so who is going to get thr late match?

My guess is rafa. Its not a night match right? Isn’t that the ladies final.


guy Says:

@kimberly,

the anger and bitterness is to be expected on this forum, a forum with an enormous roger bias.


dari Says:

Most certainly did not say unbiased commentary. Ha!


Kimo Says:

guy, guy, guy. Listen to yourself. You’re rationalizing. So Federer has five US Opens because he had a five year head start? Well, why has Rafa won the other slams but not the US Open then? Rafa has been winning slams since 2005, why no US Open until now, if ever?

Surely you can come up with something more clever than “Roger had a five year head start”.


Kimo Says:

As for the Rafa-Roger comparison at age 24, it doesn’t mean jack. I’m sure Borg had more slams at age 24 than either Sampras or Roger, yet both have won more slams than he did.


dari Says:

Yay, tennis! Can’t wait for day 12 schedule to come out!
Big ladies matches tomorrow!


kimberly Says:

Is sonic a rafa fan or a fed fan or someone else. I can never tell from posts.


jane Says:

I always had the impression that J-Mac really admires both Rafa and Fed. Last night, he was saying how great Roger is and tonight how great Rafa is. I get the impression he wants to see a Rafa and Fed along with most everyone (save a few) else.


dari Says:

Yes, Mimi, there was a nifty graphic today on on ESPN. Rafa and rog had 8 at 24, Borg 10! Sampras wasn’t on the chart.


dari Says:

Mimi is supposed to say KIMO!


Von Says:

Kimberly: “What’s to hate about a player who goes out and tries his hardest on every point?”

As the saying goes, you ain’t seen nuttin yet. You should see the hate for Roddick, and my other fave Sampras, when I joined this site in ’07.

There are few players who are favored on this site.

Anyway, Nadal fans, enjoy your guy’s victory — despite what’s being siad, he played a brilliant match in the windy conditions, and absolutely deserves the win. Now, it’s time for me to make an exit again.


skeezerweezer Says:

“guy Says:

we’ll only know who the greatest is when nadal retires”

So we all should wait for Rafa? What timetable are you on?

It’s like all the rafa fans have a continual chip on there shoulder.

guy,

You can wait until Rafa’s career is over, but for now Fed is GOAT, give the guy his due. All his peers do, past present, even Rafa has been quoted in the present saying Fed is the “Worlds best”.


mem Says:

jane,

have you ever heard the word “pretense” and if so, do you know what it means? anybody can pretend they want a certain player to win. if you think john mcenroe would pick rafa over roger and really mean it, then you are totally gullible. if he truly has nadal’s best interest at heart, why then, did he want verdasco to win tonight and was very disappointed when fernando didn’t take a set!

at any rate, it doesn;t matter one way or the other, the mcenroes aren’t the ones playing the matches!


Art Says:

Fed is Afraid

I think Nadal is the lucky one that Del Potro is around this year. He absolutely crushed Nadal last year. Fed’s all around game is still a step above Del Potro’s.

If Del Potro returns and gets back to form, he’ll be the one that will end Nadal’s reign in the French Open.


gabsvamos Says:

Nadal is going to win the USO 2010, not because he beat Verdasco, but because he is CURRENTLY the best tennis player in the whole wide world right NOW.

VAMOS Rafa!!


skeezerweezer Says:

Congrats to Rafa fans, Rafa played a “smart” match, extremely tough conditions. He is in the final! Youz will be another good practice match….and Rafa will be in his first USO final :)


David Says:

Kimberly

Tough conditions but another straight set win. I thought the wind was going to work in Rafa’s favor, but he was obviously struggling big time with the conditions in the beginning and I was starting to get worried. But two breaks from that same side of the court really turned the match around in the end of the first set.

I agree about the snide remarks being annoying. Yes, “pushing” your way to No. 1 in the world. Sheesh, why didn’t I think of that? I’d have four more zeros when I look at my bank account. Unfortunately, it’s the same on every site. A lot of bickering back and forth, which is just silly when it comes to these two amazing champions.

I like this site better than most though. There are some really nice Fed fans here like Grendel and then unique fans like Jane who just love tennis even if her faves were “born in the wrong era.”


Andrew Miller Says:

Anyone have an opinion on Ryan Harrison being chosen as the 4th player for Davis Cup? Though the kid has game I don’t think he’s earned the right to play a Davis Cup match – his ranking is too low and if the concern is having a solid doubles player, why not take a guy like Eric Butorac? (The Bryan brothers aren’t playing this round)


jane Says:

mem,

“at any rate, it doesn;t matter one way or the other, the mcenroes aren’t the ones playing the matches!”

This is very true.

Maybe I am gullible, but that’s just the impression I get with Johnny Mac, that he admires them both, a lot. I know the word pretense, yes. : ) I just didn’t see any. I tend to be a little like paula, not drunk, mind you. ;)


dari Says:

Mem, I’m butting in here cause I am really just confused about when you choose to read into jmac and when not to. Jmac wants fernando to take a set cause he wants tennis players players to fight! It doesn’t matter too much cause they are not playing, but its interesting to hear peoples thought process. Which around here can be a bit whacked out! Time to go! Thanks everybody for some good tennis talk. Good night!


kimberly Says:

David–agreed. I adore a lot of fed fans on this site (contador,kimmi etc_ and of course jane) but I came on midway through the match and was disappointed to see the comments. Last night during the fed soda match was really cool. I felt like I was watching it with a room for of people. Anyway the people on this site are really nice and know a lot about tennis so I guess a little scrapping is ok. Just wish my fav wasn’t getting bashed his whole match.


dari Says:

I forgot, Goooooo Roger!


zinaldo Says:

I won’t be too quick to call rafa the future goat because for me as long as murray can get away from his passive baseline tennis and really start playing some good tennis when it matters the most then he could well become a rafa nightmare as he really seems to have not only the game but also the mindset which really frustrate nadal at least in masters series.

Del potro is the one i want to see come back on form as he is like rafa when he started,he respects him but doesn’t fear him a bit like nadal with roger,del potro actually thrives on their encounters,something that djokovic and murray also do especially on hard for murray but also on clay at times for djoker even if he has never won a match but they have always been close.

Del potro,murray,djoker could become real nightmares for rafa especially if djoker sorts out his breathing problems,nadal major consistency and del potro continues to progress like has so far,del potro is the one player i think who not only has the game but also the height to really become a real challenge to rafa domination on clay as rafa money shot would pretty much taken away and we all know rafa clearly wouldn’t want to be going to juan martin monster forehand,please come back healthy and strong.

Other players like tsonga,monfils,gulbis if they could either use their heads,be less passive and take the tennis game more seriously could also make rafa reign at the top that much more difficult.

But also big roger don’t forget could start putting in the extra work in the practice to make sure his game can stand up to the pressure these young cats are bringing on the daily basis.


Andrew Miller Says:

I should add the Pat McEnroe made the decision not to include the Bryans because he felt the matchup needed four singles players. Still, strikes me as odd he picks Harrison – who, though he may be the future, is something like #10 or 11 on the depth charts (Roddick/Isner/Querrey/Dent/Russell/Young/Ram/Smyzek/Ginepri/Sweeting/Others all ahead of Harrisson)

Another Davis Cup controversy…guess Pat McEnroe does what he wants right or wrong.


Mindy Says:

One hardly knows where to start with the venomous filth flying on this site. The Fed fans have come out in force to trash the Spaniards yet again for laying down for Rafa! Gee whiz, that’s big news isn’t it, folks!

What do you people think happened on the court with Djoker’s quarterfinal “match”, and I am using that word in jest, against Monfils yesterday? At least Verdasco played, which is more than I can say for Monfils, who was just more interested in making outlandish shots and being the clown on center court!

I think some of you wannabe tennis hotshots should actually try playing in that kind of gusting wind sometime! See how much fun it is! Rafa doesn’t need “gifts” or “favors” from anybody! This young man has earned every single one of his eight grand slams, especially against Fed! What gall to dare to say that Rafa needs help or matches donated to him!

You people are truly beyond the pale. Just when one thinks it cannot get much worse, then one sees the dirt that is being spewed out all over the place. Miserable people who worship one man and have to take down his greatest rival at all costs. I guess the thought of Rafa actually winning this tournament is really getting to you people.

At least now your sorry selves are being exposed for everyone to see. So Rafa would be ashamed at his fans on this site? Really? What about Fed being ashamed by the vitriolic display of pure bile at Rafa on this blog!

Pathological hatred for Rafa of the very highest order! Too darn bad! You will not stop Rafa, no one can do that. You will not take away from him all that he has earned. You cannot make his knees bad and take away his health. No you cannot, for that is your only prayer when all is said and done, isn’t it?

When I think of what this young man has been through and how he has handled it with such class and grace and then come here to see a bunch of losers trash him unmercifully just because he exists, then it’s a sad state of affairs.

Beneath contempt, all of you.


Von Says:

Sorry to enter again.

last year, when Verdasco played the Joker at the USO, he played with a leg injury, one which subsequently required surgery. He literally handed the match to the Joker. Yest, no one mentioned anything about Verdasco laying down for the joker. it was “Yay, Djoko won.” To reiterate, it’s amazing how the scenario changes according to the player and the justifications proffered.


skeezerweezer Says:

Andrew,

I would vote for Ryan to get thrown in , why not? Might be a great experience for him. Not that I know its a factor or not for men, but he is 18 right?


jane Says:

Hey David! “even if her faves were “born in the wrong era.”” NO FAIR!! Don’t quote one of Nole’s worst ones; he’s got better, more positive ones. : ) He’s been quite good in his post-match press conferences here, relaxed, thoughtful, and mature most of the time. I have been pleased. I hope he can shrug off the negativity. It was evident in the Monfils match from what I read here, but I am guessing it was frustration about the conditions? Anyhow, we have some interesting semis to watch. I think Youz has played very well here. Not sure if he can get a set off Rafa, but he’s is a willy player, who’s been around a while. So you never know. I am looking forward to Nole and Fed, not in a masochistic way, but to see if Nole can raise his game up to Fed’s level (even for a while – I hope he gets at least a set this time!!!)

If it’s a Fedal final, then I just hope it’s very tightly contested, and then let the best man on the day win.


Von Says:

Oh puhleeze, Anyone can be positive when the clown hands the match to the court jester.


aleish17 Says:

@ zinaldo

Can you please save your wishes for yourself? They (Rafa / Roger) dont need it coz they’ve won several times before and they’re going to win some more with whatever tactics or strategy they have.

Blame Rafa’s opponents why they commit so much UE against him. And if you hate watching the fake World No. 1 (according to you), stop watching him. No one is forcing you to.


skeezerweezer Says:

Mindy,

I think you would have gotten your point across in a sentence or 2, lots of adjectives, no? :)

Congrats to your fav! The wind was very tough tonight, and they both had to play in it. It just seemed as though Nando couldn’t/wouldn’t/can’t figure out the wind and Rafa did, along with making great shots of course when it counted.

Good night all I am “out” too…..


dari Says:

For all those tired of venemous fed fans, I will say rafa is the sh*t, even if I want fed to win everything. Truly, having them both play has been a pleasure. G’night!


David Says:

Jane

Yeah, I’m sure he’d take that one back. I can understand his frustration though. He and Roddick have been such consistent players for years now. Murray too. Yet winning Slams with Roger and Rafa on the scene is like climbing Mt. Everest. I hope he gets another one though and gets to No. 1. That would be great for such a small country.


aleish17 Says:

Because I have been so distracted with some of the comments here, I forgot to say congrats to my fav.

Congrats Rafa! Keep doing what you’re doing and keep improving. As a huge fan, you are making me so proud with the continuous improvements you’ve done with your game. You are making a lot of haters hate you more, but more importantly you are making all of your fans happy. And that’s what matters more.

Congrats to all my fellow Rafa fans Kimberly, David, Guy, Mindy and the long gone Voicemale1. Voicemale1, you are greatly missed and I miss your fair and highly insightful posts.

Thanks for the other posters who sent their felicitations.

On to the semis Rafa!!!


kimberly Says:

Good night all—-cant wait til saturday!


johhny Says:

Von = notorious Nole hater, she just hates, hates and hates and has a miserable hateful life. HAAAAATEEEEEEER GO HOOOOOMMMEEEEEE!!!!!!


jane Says:

David, “Yet winning Slams with Roger and Rafa on the scene is like climbing Mt. Everest. I hope he gets another one though and gets to No. 1. That would be great for such a small country.

Indeed – Mt. Everest! What a duopoly these two have at the slams hey? It’s remarkable. I hope Nole gets another too.

Thanks and congrats on Rafa’s win; he’s equaled his results from last year and he is poised and ready to go beyond.


kimberly Says:

Oh on a footnote congrats to stu who is number 2 in the bracket challenge.

For all of you not playing please join us for shaing hai. It is great fun.

Now I’m really going to sleep and ths weeks tennis has me exhausted.


goat galz Says:

Oh Von/Mindy get off it. Everyone here knows what you’re doing. You are a housewife suffering from extreme boredom. It’s time to go back to the state mental hospital for another series of shock therapy. In the meantime, have a stiff drink and loosen up those granny-sized knickers.


johhny Says:

@goat galz

state mental hospital sent her back home as an ultimately lost case as they didn’t have a cure for her, and it would take a hefty funding, sponsorship and a long term scientific research to find one.


i am it Says:

Oh, France is in Serbia.
Roddick is still in the tournament. He is playing pretty good tennis.
Blake beat Joker.
Verdasco is the new favorite for the USO title. And he is my favorite.
I see allegiance when one is laughing and the other is defending in seriousness.
I come here cuz I cannot yell at my kids.
Did I cover everything?


Mindy Says:

Sorry, Skeezer but I cannot take your advice this time. I have stayed silent over too many things and this time I have to defend Rafa. There are times when people go too far. You and I have managed to get along and even have some great laughs at times, so this is not directed at you.

It’s funny reading people saying that those of us who dare to come on here to challenged the hatespeak, are the ones who should be in a lunatic asylum. I will leave it to reasonable, fair-minded people to determine who are the ones who have been so blinded by this absurd hate, that they cannot even watch a match and see exactly what happened.

When conditions are as bad as they were tonight, then it’s the player who copes best and manages to over come them, who ends up winning the match. Verdasco doesn’t deserve this, especially after his heroic effort at the 2009 AO. Anyone with eyes could see how frustrated and angry he was at not being able to handle the gusty conditions. He has his pride as a professional tennis player.

Did you see any Rafa fans come on here and say that Sod laid down for Fed the night before? Did he just throw in the towel? No, the accurate account is that Fed was well prepared to deal with the windy conditions and played some excellent tennis. Sod couldn’t manage the windy conditions and didn’t play well, so he lost. Case closed.

I just wanted to ask some of the Rafa fans here who feel that they somehow have to justify some of the more hideous comments about their favorite player, how can you just let anyone get away with it? Isn’t your loyalty to your player more important than a few people who you don’t even know?

When you purge dissent, as this forum has pretty much managed to do much of the time, then you no longer have a forum. If people have to hold back and keep silent out of fear of reprisal from the clique that runs this site, then what is the purpose of being here? Rafa won, fair and square. Deal with it, already! All you are going to have left here is people who will kiss up to their friends and never dare to utter an opinion or thought that differs. Is that how insecure some of you people are? You cannot tolerata Rafa fans who have a different perspective. Have fun censoring yourselves.

I am it –

You are one of the worst offenders! You will sink as low as possible and say anything to demean Rafa and his fellow Spanish players, but you cannot stop him! That is the thing that really gets under your skin. Too bad, because he’s not going anywhere.

You and goat galz, another well-known troublemaker and foul mouth, should get off Von’s back. The woman can’t even write her very thoughtful and intelligent posts because of the vicious ganging up by the few who now have an ironclad grip on this site.

To aleish – I am now going to leave this place and celebrate a great win for our Rafa.

There are some fair posters who genuinely try to encourage a lively, enlightening discussion about tennis and the top players. I think you know who you are. Good luck here. You will need it.


grendel Says:

John McEnroe, from a position of unrivalled knowledge, greatly admires both Federer and Nadal. My impression is that he likes them both very much too. McEnroe is endlessly chatty, opinionated, sometimes silly – and exposed (his choice). So some people make the mistake of not taking him seriously, familiarity breeds etc. I’ve seen a lot of McEnroe, and one of his most engaging features is his transparent honesty. Conspiratorial he very definitely is not. He does have a slightly juvenile sense of humour – which I find quite endearing in so famous a man. For the record he believes that Nadal, as of now, is a better or more effective player than Federer. Hardly a controversial opinion.

Skyrocel: I don’t agree that Monfils is what you call a “pure” pusher, if by that you mean someone whose aim is merely to get the ball back into play with the view to inducing error. There is certainly that side in him (and b.t.w., that style of play can be very interesting – see Wozniacki, especially since she is gradually learning to incorporate quite subtle aggression into her game). But Monfils also has a monster forehand which sometimes he unleashes. When he nearly beat Federer at RG in semi, he was being pretty aggressive. Why he can’t do it more is mysterious, something he recently alluded to himself.


Von Says:

Grendel: There are many pushers, except some fans choose to ignore they exist. When we see two players engaging in a 28 shot rally, and the one with the stronger mental stamina/endurance, refuse to give in, until the opponent finally succumbs to ending the point, albeit, not to his benefit, and incurring an error, isn’t that pushing? We see posters talking about their fave being gritty and gutting out matches, however, all it really is, is that the fave dug his heels in, until he draws the error = wining by attrition. IMO, the majority of them do it, hence the designation of pusher, is really just a matter of one’s perspective, and can at times, be applied to all who engage in that tactic.


johhny Says:

@i am it

Dasco is a good guy, his best performance was AO 2009, but he tends to bend over to Nadal. But Roddick, haha, that guy is a classless jerk, he should better find a job in the circus.


grendel Says:

Von – good point. I think we can get pretty hung up on labels – and then take the label for reality. Actually, there’s just good types of tennis (lots) and poor tennis.
We’ve gone away for a few days, so we’ve put the semi-finals and finals on the tv planner. Somehow, I’ve got to avoid hearing any results till Tuesday. Bit of a tall order, eh?


David Says:

“Pushing” is a term that’s well known to anyone who has played junior tennis and basically involves taking an abbreviated swing at the ball and sending it with little or no spin well over the net and well within the lines and then praying for your opponent to miss and just give you the point.

As I said in a post earlier, this just does not apply to professional tennis. You can’t hit a ball, especially in men’s tennis, soft and high with no spin – no matter where it may land on the other side of the court – and expect to even be able to retrieve the next ball. The other player will simply hit a scorching winner off of your “push” shot.

In the Youzhny-Wawrinka match, Youzhny hit a few like what I described, except of course on an amateur level those balls just would have been ordinary shots that no one would even notice were anything unusual. But every time he hit a high, soft ball with no spin, Wawrinka blasted a forehand with tons of racquet head speed for a clean winner.

As for Rafa, the only time he’s ever “pushed” a ball is on a volley or a return of serve or maybe some shovel shot near the net. His normal ground stroke has nothing to do with a “push” and every reasonable, fairly knowledgeable fan has to know this. He’s hitting with tremendous racquet-head speed, creating topspin that few players in the world can produce. The ball jumps up like crazy when it hits the court. That’s not “pushing”!!

Now, he will employ a strategy of “attrition,” or “just keeping the ball in play” and “playing for an error,” although he’s doing less of that nowadays. But let’s get our terms right people.


Ben Pronin Says:

Good post, David. Simply put, a pusher guides the ball. The pros hit the crap out of the ball, all of them, even Nadal, hell, especially Nadal. More/less spin has very little to do with it. You can guide the ball however, but if you guide it your pushing. Federer blocking a first serve back is more or less guiding, but overall, no one pushes. Like David said, no one would ever get away with it. 28 strokes in a rally doesn’t mean anyone pushed. If anything, it means both players are playing with a little more margin, but nonetheless they’re hitting their shots.


sheila Says:

with all my heart, i hope federer wins this. i simply love the guys game!!!!!


grendel Says:

Well, Ben, it was you who called Monfils a pusher (on another thread), and I confess I was puzzled by that.


Von Says:

grendel: I can’t rememebr on which thread you talked about the mansions, but now that you’ve applied that analogy, I can go for it as being applicable to the point you’re making.
_______________
David: That was a good post on pushing. Oh, the pushing stuff, how many times, haven’t I read that Roddick is a pusher on this site. One of the writers on this site enjoyed the use of that terminology for a period of time and applied it to Roddick’s match play many times, until it just died a sudden death of being over-repetitive. In fact a whole thread was dedicated to Roddick the pusher.

It blows my mind that anyone could say that about a pro tennis player. And, if I might add, Ben indulges in the use of that term freely also. Like grendel stated, he used it with respect to Monfils, and he’s used that designation and many others with respect to his description of Roddick’s tennis, e.g., “pansy”, and I’m not talking about the flower here… but let’s just say he’s privileged, and not being hateful.


Von Says:

grendel: I hope you have a very nice vacation, oops, I mean holiday (I’ve become so Americanized that I’ve forgotten the word you Brits use) but something tells me that you’ll be thinking of the USO. I hope for your sake, there aren’t newspaper stands around within miles, and should you happen to drive past one, please cover your eyes, or else, it could spoil your vacation. But then again, who knows, it could make for a very, happy one. Enjoy your trip and don’t worry, just be happy …..

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