Federer Pounds Murray; Djokovic Meets Nadal Wednesday
by Sean Randall | November 23rd, 2010, 6:53 pm
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Andy Murray’s Sunday words proved prophetic today. After a convincing win in his opening match against Robin Soderling, with a hint of clairvoyance Murray said, “I played great today. I could play horrible on Tuesday.” And like that, Murray had a horrible Tuesday, in part thanks to the superior play of Roger Federer.

Federer, who had dropped two straight and four consecutive sets to the Scot, had his way this afternoon thumping Murray 6-4, 6-2 in the round-robin of the ATP London Finals.

Federer secured an early break in the first set and was never under any pressure thereafter during the 76 minute destruction.

“I don’t think he played his best match,” admitted Federer. “He came out and made some mistakes. Maybe it was due to my good play. From my side, I was obviously very happy. It was a good match. I played tough and solid from start to finish.”

Federer dominated on his serve losing just three points on his first delivery, eight overall. Murray struggled serving at a 44% clip and he never got close to a break chance.

Federer, 2-0 and 4-0 in sets, now gets Robin Soderling Thursday afternoon.

“I hope, if I make it to the semis, then I’m fresh and really ready to go,” Federer said. “Because last year I played four matches and they all went the distance. I’m excited to play Soderling. I have a great record against him. I hope I can play the same level like I did the last two.”

For Murray, after such a promising start to the event things have crumbled. And once again he comes up short in big, pressure match. While Murray still leads Federer 8-6 in their head-to-head, in arguably the most important of those 14 encounters it’s Federer with the edge. The Swiss is 2-0 vs. Murray in London and 2-0 in Slam finals, 10-1 in sets in those four wins.

“I returned poorly, served poorly,” said Murray. “Against (Roger), that’s not going to win you the match.

“I felt okay from the back of the court, not unbelievable, but there were quite a few good rallies. I probably served about 30% of first serves in, [so] you’re not going to beat one of the top players serving like that.

“I just tried to stay calm, tried to find a way and it didn’t happen today. But I didn’t feel flat on the court at all.”

And as I said, losing in straight sets in a round robin format is killer – although 5 of the 6 matches thus far have been straight sets!

Now, on a slow court, Murray will have to beat Ferrer Thursday night to maintain a chance at qualifying for the Saturday semifinals. Today, Ferrer put up a good effort against Soderling but it wasn’t enough as the Swede advanced 7-5, 7-5.

“I served very well, especially in the first set,” said Soderling. “But it was tough. It was a close match, two really tough sets. I’m lucky that I won. I still feel that I have a lot of things that I can improve. Hopefully I can do that in two days’ time and play a good match in my next match.”

With Murray on the horizon, Ferrer sounded more than ready to fight on. He said, “I finish the season Top 10. I don’t have any problem physical, mentality. I know with Andy will be a very difficult match. I fight everything. I fight, and with Andy too.”

He might be winless but you have to admire Ferrer’s attitude.

Looking at Wednesday, Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic renew their terrific rivalry. Nadal beat Novak in the US Open final ending the Serb’s 3-match win streak over Rafa. Nadal still leads 15-7.

Right now though, I give the edge to Novak. Even though Nadal finally got that monkey off his back with first win at the O2 yesterday, Novak’s been the better player the last month and indoors should favor him. I like Novak to win.

In the early match Tomas Berdych and Roddick clash for survival. The loser is likely out of the event. The winner stays alive. Roddick leads Birdy 6-2 and he’s won four straight. Roddick also fought hard in that loss to Nadal, while Tomas felt the nerves in his debut. So no reason not to give Roddick the nod in this one.

Tennis Channel’s continued live coverage begins at 9am ET with Roddick then at 3pm with Nadal-Djokovic.

WEDNESDAY LONDON SCHEDULE

CENTRE COURT start 12:15 pm
[5] L Kubot (POL) / O Marach (AUT) vs [7] W Moodie (RSA) / D Norman (BEL)
Not Before 2:00 PM
[6] T Berdych (CZE) vs [8] A Roddick (USA)
Not Before 6:15 PM
[2] D Nestor (CAN) / N Zimonjic (SRB) vs [3] M Bhupathi (IND) / M Mirnyi (BLR)
Not Before 8:00 PM
[1] R Nadal (ESP) vs [3] N Djokovic (SRB)


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115 Comments for Federer Pounds Murray; Djokovic Meets Nadal Wednesday

NELTA Says:

Fed clinches a spot in the semifinal with a ratio of games won to lost of no worse than 5-12. So if he loses 6-3, 6-2 to the Sod he qualifies.

If the Sod beats Fed 6-2, 6-2 or better AND Murray beats Ferrer 6-3, 6-3 or better then Fed is eliminated.


Kimmi Says:

grrrrr! i was hoping for a loser to fight it out to death. take it to third set or something. Muzz, muzz muzza! That is not a way to lose a match.
good thing i recorded the match, just finished watching it and muzz was..well, not there for the most of this match. he played great in the last 4 games though..only if he could have played like that from the beginning! sigh!

happy for federer ofcourse, very happy. yay!!! i was hoping he wins and he did it.

NELTA – i can never get this WTF calculations..too complicated. just hoping for a federer and muzz qualification.

Too worried for muzza now, he needs to beat ferrer, ferrer can be tricky..he won their last match.. though it was on clay (muzz worst surface)

Good luck federer and muzza


guy Says:

murray needs to address the first serve % issue, he’s right you can’t beat top players with 40%.
but if he knows that he needs to take a bit of instead of serving 130mph every time.
you need to be able to put a few first serves in every serve at least. it’s no point having some love games when you’re on a streak and then not put a first serve in for a couple of games. you won’t be able to hold.


sar Says:

Nole I am hoping you win tomorrow so you can keep your points!!!


Kimmi Says:

match of the day tomorrow djoko vs rafa. hope we get a better show tomorrow.

from what i saw yesterday rafa still not playing his USO level. i think this match is a toss up. hope both players bring there best game.


i am it Says:

Sean, As you are showing, if only recently, great improvement in prediction department, I think you will get this one right: “Right now though, I give the edge to Novak. Even though Nadal finally got that monkey off his back with first win at the O2 yesterday, Novak’s been the better player the last month and indoors should favor him. I like Novak to win.”

Go Djokovic !


jane Says:

Makes me nervous i am it: hope you & Sean are right, partly for the reason sar identifies above (Nole could, feasibly drop to #5 so hoping Murray and Nole win and keep #3 & 4 seeding for AO). But Nole has a tough time with Rafa (and Roddick for that matter). Whatever happens, I hope he makes a good match of it against numero uno!


Ben Pronin Says:

Don’t Murray and Soderling need really good results in order to overtake Djokovic? From what the ATP site shows, the points from last year’s WTF have already been dropped, so everyone will only gain points from here.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Go Nole!


Gregoire Gentil Says:

Nelta, that’s very useful. Thanks. I was going to calculate it too!

If Sod beats Federer well even if Murray wins, we can be in the same situation as last year. Poor Andy!


Twocents Says:

Murray is avoiding his mistake in TMC08. He’s saving himself to win this tournament. Even if he doesn’t, today’s loss will help easing the home press pressure for AO and WO. Not much is lost here really.


steve-o Says:

Go Roger. Good win over Murray.

That match between Roddick and Nadal was pretty uninspiring, given the quality of the players. Hopefully tomorrow holds more interesting things. Djokovic will surely be motivated to beat Nadal.


Skeezerweezer Says:

guy,

good point on your 8:39 post. you obviously play the game….however….it’s also debatable imo….that the 2nd serve is taken for granted with todays players. It’s a toss in for most. That noted, some say your only as good as your 2nd serve. Sampras never got enough credit for this, as most were looking at his first serve, but his second serve WAS a weapon, however that was long ago forgotten. Pity, I see glimpses of it with Fed ( ala the Murray match we just had ) but otherwise in this era it’s just to start the point it seems, no risks there.


Kimo Says:

Ben Pronin said:

“Don’t Murray and Soderling need really good results in order to overtake Djokovic? From what the ATP site shows, the points from last year’s WTF have already been dropped, so everyone will only gain points from here.”

You’re right on the money, Ben. The WTF is the only tournament where the points are dropped after 51 weeks, not 52.


dunbar Says:

“That match between Roddick and Nadal was pretty uninspiring, given the quality of the players” – each to his own, I guess. I thought it was a fun match. It was good to see Roddick fighting, interesting to see how much of a toll it takes to maintain focus against the very best – R’s momentary lapse when broken back in 2nd set – and intriguing to observe Nadal gradually discovering his form. That particular exercise continues today against Djokovic – again, there is much that will be fascinating to contemplate aside from the quality of the tennis.


dunbar Says:

Skeezer:” I see glimpses of it with Fed ( ala the Murray match we just had ) but otherwise in this era it’s just to start the point it seems, no risks there.” [second serve]. Two points, yes there were some great Fed second serves, but also Murray had some too, a notable fact given how weak his 2nd serve is sometimes perceived to be. Actually, the whole question of Murray’s serve is a “mystery wrapped up in an enigma” as Churchill said of somebody or other. It’s a lovely action, why isn’t he one of the great servers?

Other point – these days, with the return being such a potent weapon in the hands of so many players, it is surely not adequate “just to start the point”, Skeezer. I mean, that would be an actual liability, in the sense that the server is then handing the iniative to his opponent.


Nina Says:

Hilarious video that shows some random questions at the Top 8. Very funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhUcgN2sWmk


Mg Mg Says:

Rafa’s FB message.

http://www.facebook.com/Nadal

Acordaros que podeis ver el partido de esta noche por internet. Id a mi web http://www.rafaelnadal.com y abajo a la derecha podeis ir al link.
Remember you can watch my match tonight in internet. Go to my website and click down right at the bottom to watch.
Homepage | The Official Rafa Nadal Website
http://www.rafaelnadal.com


jane Says:

Thanks Nina; they’re all looking so dapper in their suits too, very nice. Funny answers from some of them. :)

Quite surprised about Berd’s results a.t.m.; I really thought Roddick would win this one. But I think (and said before) that there were signs of Berdych’s returning to form in Paris, but he went away in the last set of the Davy match. Also, versus Djoko the other day, while Berd made errors, he was coming back at the end of the match, and I felt relief when Nole was able to close it out. The top 8 are there for a reason, and imo no one is a “whipping boy” or any other disparaging name.

Sad for Arod :( but congrats to Berdych.


guy Says:

@skeezer

what i was getting at was you basically can’t expect to win much over 50% on your second esp. against the top guys so if you don’t make a first for a game you’re looking at a deuce game at best and will often get broken.

murray has a low % often leaving himself vulnerable and since he’s tall, it must be because he’s going for bombs all the time and i think that’s clear when he’s often hitting 130+. yesterday he had 30% for much of the match and you won’t get close to a top tenner with that.

now federer doesn’t go for huge speeds but still gets tons of free points with accuracy, and he keeps a pretty high %. he’s got a better balance, rarely goes a game without putting some in. he does have one of the best serves though.

roddick stands out as the most aggressive 2nd, which explains his high 2nd win%, coz it’s not his general play. federer is pretty aggressive esp when winning.

@dunbar
murray has improved his second,and seems to be about average now, but the crit was legit because until recently the second was about 10mph slower than his peers.


Lulu Iberica Says:

I like Nole, but let’s go Rafa! After the way Berdych was playing today, I don’t want Rafa taking any chances.


steve-o Says:

I predicted Berdych would win at least one match. I was hoping it wouldn’t be against Roddick, though.


i am it Says:

Roddick could not disguise the placement of his serve and lost some of its pace today, and his forehand deserted him, time and again shanking into the net or throwing long/wide. He could not utilize his chances in the 1st set; instead, he helped Berd to raise his level in the last 3 games of the 1st set and run away with it. The 2nd set was a mess after the point he lost due to “flash.”
Sad to see him lose. Berdych gradually picked up his game as the match went on. Roddick could not take advantage early. Had he won the 1st set, anything could have happened.
——————
Twocents Says: “Murray is avoiding his mistake in TMC08. He’s saving himself to win this tournament. Even if he doesn’t, today’s loss will help easing the home press pressure for AO and WO. Not much is lost here really.”

It makes sense if you are sarcastic. Or, you have the talent to stay optimistic.


skeezerweezer Says:

dunbar,

Yes, Murrays 2nd has improved somewhat, but agree with guy’s pov about the 1rst serve, so when you have a match where the 1rst % is dropping ( it happens )then pressure is on the second. Especially against a guy like Nole.

The overall point I was tryin to make is we all have to serve a second serve sometime, so how good is it? IMO most players don’t work on it, and especially at the recreational level if you have to hit a second you are just trying to get it in, hoping you won’t DF. It’s all attitude, and a mindset that the player serving is on offense at the start, as you say, so serve it like you are. What’s the risk? A df here and there. The reward? A free point or at the very least control of the point to start.

If you hitting a 130+ first serve then why can you only hit a 88 second? If you gonna do that, you’d better have some wicked stuff on it. It’s not all about speed, but, just sayin….just an opinion.


Dory Says:

z O M G! What a match Djokovic vs Nadal promises to be. Nole is fresh now unlike the US Open. Hope he wins.


Huh Says:

GANNU, Skeeze, Conty, Maxi, FoT n other Fed fans:

Most satisfactory to see Fed beatung Murray so convincingly, shows Fed’s still not given up on his inner fire. Let the fire keep burning! :)
I would like Fed to notch up some great tourney wins for sure!

ALLEZ FEDERER!!!


Huh Says:

Go Djokovic!


queen Says:

you r a bunch of lunatics if you think that Nadal can lose this one.


FedEnd Says:

I hope Rafa loses today or against Berdych and finish second in his group. This would lead him into an easy semifinal which would be a virtual walkover from the opponent. If he tops this group then playing soderling or murray in the SF will be little bit tougher.


tennisfansince76 Says:

Fedend you never fail to amuse. also i am glad to see we have a representative of the middle school demographic posting on the board. its is good that young people are interested in tennis. the children are our future! also i am fondly remembering the days when ESPN used to broadcast the YEC. I still have fond memories of Fed putting year end beatdowns on Nadal in 06 and 07.


tennisfansince76 Says:

i would say Murray needs to tinker w/ the mechanics of his serve. there is no way a guy his height should be serving under 50% first serves. he should be able to do as well as the other top guys % wise. maybe he should put a little more topspin action on his serve.


FedEnd Says:

tennisfansince76,
Yes you have to go back a long way to 06 or 07. I am not sure how long you need to wait for the next one. Could be an eternal wait.


blank Says:

FedEnd,
If Rafa loses today, I hope Federer loses to Soda and somehow gets placed # 2 in his group. That will make it a tougher SF for Rafa don’t you think? ;-)


tennisfansince76 Says:

re: Dory If Djoker wasn’t frsh for the USO final there is not much hope for him. he had a whole day of rest before the final.


MarkoPolo Says:

Hajde Nole!!!!! I really cannot stand yet another loss from Nadal! Please show your best of form and give him a run for his money today!!!!!!


queen Says:

Vamos Rafa!!!!!


skeezerweezer Says:

Nole not stepping in on his shots….too many second serves…rafa doin his thing…and there is a break for rafa….


queen Says:

Hallelujah!


skeezerweezer Says:

Nole breaks back!!

Nole’s gotta produce better service games, though


i am it Says:

That was ugly tennis from Djoko. He wasted his chance with that same stupid volley and now got broken with the same, after 2 love games and plenty chances against Rafa in those first two games.

He is playing better than Rafa, imo, but Rafa is throwing “kitchen sink” at Djoko again, the same slice-dice disruptive tactic that works against Djoko, as did at the USO.

Rafa seems determined to win this.
Djoko, too, with that break back.


Fot Says:

Huh – yes that was a great win by Roger.

I’m looking at the Novak/Rafa match and it seems like it might be a pretty good one if both players keep up the good play.


skeezerweezer Says:

See what happens when you get a first serve in? C’mon Nole!


skeezerweezer Says:

Well that was obvious that he couldn’t see part of that game. Hope it starts again with the same intensity, good stuff by both so far..


skeezerweezer Says:

gifted game by Novak :( serve went into lala land again…


blank Says:

Skeeze,
Do you want Djoko and Fed to finish 1st in their groups? I don’t ;-)


Kimmi Says:

djoko complaining he is playing with one eye.

rafa like rafa again


skeezerweezer Says:

blank,

I wasn’t thinkin about that potential….Novak is my #2 fav behind Fed and like his game. However, this eye thing got the better of him, which is a shame for the fans. Rafa is playing….welll….like Rafa….and if Novak is gonna bust through he has got to have things running on all cylinders, whether the eye thing is really an injury thing or not…..it seems to be for him. Rafa is going to take him down quick in the 2nd if Novak continues this route…too bad….imo


Kimmi Says:

danger game..if djoko is broken here it will be bye bye.


jane Says:

Oh well that’s it. Can’t see Nole winning two sets over Rafa now. :( What the hell is going on with his serve – yuck, yuckity, yuck.


skeezerweezer Says:

Congrats to Rafa fans…..see ya all later.


jane Says:

I saw this coming with the Berdych match; Nole was good but not his best, and he’s not been able to raise today. He’d've had to play at a much higher level to beat Rafa – now he’s getting a pounding too. Sigh.


jane Says:

Yeah, congrats to Rafa & co.


madmax Says:

This is so sad. This isn’t a match everyone. What is wrong with novak’s eye? I’ve never seen this ever happen before? I wasn’t aware that he wore contact lenses.

This is just such bad luck – why did this happen? I don’t wear lenses, but you would think the amount of matches novak plays, he would have positioned them correctly? or was it some grit that got caught in the lens?

It’s just not a match for rafa.It’s not a match at all. Novak isn’t playing.


FedEnd Says:

Nole seems to be strengthening his WORLD RECORD of being at the receiving end more than any other player ever against the spanish bull. Now it is 16 and counting. Federer is next on that list with 14.
Wow what a CV Rafa has !!!


Kimmi Says:

Congrats to rafa.

Now djoko has to beat his nemesis roddick or it will be very difficult in qualification


jane Says:

It’s just no excuse madmax; Nole was outplayed. He does wear glasses sometimes, but I’ve rarely seen it in photos. Once Stepanek had a contact lens issue, against Nole acutally, but still it doesn’t matter. Rafa just played better imo.

Kimmi, to me, more important than qualifying here, is getting that serve working for DC!


steve-o Says:

My hopes were thwarted. This match managed to be even less inspiring than the previous one. Sad for Djokovic that he couldn’t see.


Mindy Says:

It it was Rafa supposedly having problems with his eye, I can only imagine what I would be reading here. The bias is so thick, you can choke on it.

I thought it would be a much more competitive match, but Nole just didn’t seem to have it going today. I don’t know what was going on with his eye. It doesn’t matter if it was a real injury or problem, that kind of thing doesn’t work against Rafa. He is too mentally tough to be distracted. Something went wrong with Nole, because he was playing some great tennis in the first few games. He was struggling with his serve during this match.

Also, if anyone here thinks that Rafa’s matches are so incredibly boring, then nobody is forcing you to watch.

I am thrilled to see Rafa doing so well on a surface that has not been good for his game. He has far surpassed last year’s disappointment and seems to have a great shot here. The commentators said he only needs to win one more set to qualify for the semis. This format drives me crazy.

I said this match would tell me more about Rafa’s chances. He played better than he did against Roddick. He is not playing his best, but he is focused and will get better as he goes on. Rafa just has that look in his eye.


jane Says:

“He was struggling with his serve during this match.” Yes, this – agree with you.

I think Rafa has an eye on winning it; we haven’t seen Fed and Rafa play in quite a while, so that prospect is actually enticing right now.

For Nole I am just hoping he can play better for DC.


Duro Says:

It happened once before, against Ančić in Wimbledon, when Nole was 19. Nole led 2:1 but lost 3:2 after same problems with lenses. He was rubbing his eyes which were red from irritation.

About this match, no excuses, I agree. He spoiled a spectacle, ruined everything, left us, his fans, with an unpleasant feeling in the stomach. Disappointment after disappointment in his health, stamina, fitness, endurance, will… When you have such a unpredictable head as he does, you can never know what to expect. Nole with two faces (at least)… Gemini, Gemini… Golden hands, but windy head. I would like him to be hypnotize, so to be unable to think of nothing but tennis. Wondering soul…


sar Says:

Poor Nole. Is he still in second place? He needs to skip the Roddick match and concentrate on DC.


sar Says:

Duro maybe he needs Lasik eye surgery in the future. But if it only happened at age 19 and at age 23 that might not be often enough for him to get it. There is still risk.


Kimmi Says:

jane – yes, the Davis Cup. This tournament is important too..i am sure djoko wants to do well here. it will give him confidence going to the davis cup.

roddick has not been playing well. i dont know if he can raise his game when he plays djoko, he has a great record against him in the past 2 years or so buti give djoko a chance in this match.

like ferrer, no one would like to leave without a win. tricky matches coming up for both murray and djoko.


Nina Says:

I’m so mad really, I can’t even type.


Kimmi Says:

rafa seem to have turned the tables with nole. he now beats nole in all surfaces. not looking good for nole.

he (rafa) looks like ready to win this tournament. who can stop him..hopefully muzz or federer.

C’mon muzz win the match tomorrow pls.


Nina Says:

@ Duro, agree 100% with this part:

“He spoiled a spectacle, ruined everything, left us, his fans, with an unpleasant feeling in the stomach. Disappointment after disappointment in his health, stamina, fitness, endurance, will… When you have such a unpredictable head as he does, you can never know what to expect. Nole with two faces (at least)… Gemini, Gemini… Golden hands, but windy head.”

Exactly my feelings. I’m so tired of him losing all the important matches…


steve-o Says:

Given how often Nadal is obliged to plead for the indulgence of others, it’s pretty rich that he complained so much about Djokovic’s problems. He demands the benefit of the doubt so often, he could at least have accorded it to someone else. Glass houses, stones, etc.

Duro: I agree, Djokovic is a tortured soul on the court. You never quite know what you are going to get.

I remember him saying at one point that he never really enjoyed matches; that the effort was too much for him to think of enjoyment. If that’s his attitude towards his vocation, I’m amazed that he’s been as successful as he is.


Daniel Says:

Djoko needs to play more flat against Nadal if he is ever going to win against him again. He played exectly like US Open, but there Nadal was serving better.


stu Says:

Couldnt agree more Duro.


sar Says:

I read that Nole can still qualify if he beats Roddick and Rafa beats Berdych


stu Says:

He’s not beating Roddick, especially now. He had a better shot at beating Rafa IMO. He will come out on Friday with his tail between his legs.


Mindy Says:

I don’t know that I would write off Nole’s chances against Roddick just yet. There have been some surprising turnarounds in this tournament. It’s true that Roddick seems to have had his number of late, but I don’t know that it will necessarily hold here. Who would have thought that Roddick would lose to Berdych?

At this point, I don’t know what to expect. However, I am not writing off Nole’s chances just yet. I wish that I had seen Roddick’s match with Berdych, so I could have had a sense of what happened there. Was Roddick tired after his tough match with Rafa? Berdych really hasn’t done anything of late. I didn’t see him even winning one match.

We may be in for more surprises.


Fot Says:

That match started out really well and I thought we were in for a grinder! The first few games of the first set were great. Then Novak’s ‘eye’ thing happened, he left the court, and never actually ‘returned’! lol! The match went downhill from there.

Congrats to Nadal and his fans but Novak totally went away in that 2nd set. Oh well. I have no idea what will happen in the next matches.

I just hope Roger can get by Soderling (again)! I’m tired of those 2 playing each other. Seems like in every tournament they both play in, they end up having to play each other.


Nina Says:

@ Fot

That’s true with Roger and Nole too. I’m tired of their matches.


Duro Says:

steve-o, I think you’re referring to his answer when asked If tennis was his entertainment or obligation. He answered that tennis was his obligation, but he was 7 then and it was his first TV interview. Believe me, he loves and enjoys tennis more than anything. He is always late for everything but his tennis practices. That’s what his brother said when naming his bad habits to good once.

Lets move one. Another match on the table! Still time to repair everything. Novak with Murray in the finals! If it comes true, you guys all owe me 10 bucks each! Deal?


i am it Says:

It was not tennis at all that Nole played after 4-4 in the first set. After that, he was just standing there, enduring the optical pain, and be done with the match.

He was not worrying about getting a bagel in the 2nd set, yet Rafa had to complain about Djoko’s MTs.

About Djokovic, of all the people?

In the recent months, the Serb has been a shameless Rafa cheerleader and a PR volunteer for the Spaniard. In return, this is what he gets from a friend who could be as ruthless and inconsiderate when it was a matter of a +/- 1-2 games more?
That was sad, besides his admittedly disruptive tennis.


Kimmi Says:

the match i want to see is djoko vs murray. it does not look like it will happen here. wont hold my breath.

murray vs rafa and roger vs rafa has not happened recently either.


Kimmi Says:

what is this about rafa complaining, i missed that. what happened exactly?


Duro Says:

Kimmimissimo, Murray will beat Rafa and Nole will beat Fed, so see you in the finals! Believe!


Duro Says:

i am it, my friend, a gutsy thing to say considering Rafa support club here, but there’s true in there as well as Nole’s contribution to his misery. Very unlucky chain of circumstances…


sar Says:

I am it, I agree.

I want to see a “meaner” Nole in future. The most important thing now is to get out of this tournament and even skip the next match, to win DC.


Kimberly Says:

Hi all, I was driving to my mom’s with the kids so couldn’t drop in before or evfen keep track of the match.

A shout out to Mindy, I couldn’t be more pleased. It sounds like Novak had issues but back to back wins over two of the toughest customers on hardcourt must feel great. Certainly a better feeling then when I arrived here this same day last year and he couldn’t win a set!

I would love to see a FEDAL. It would be quite interesting to assess the new Hardcourt Rafa v. an in form Federer.


skeezerweezer Says:

Am back…pre cooking Thanksgiving stuff and all have a break ( yes….guys can cook…but we still can’t remember. )

My two cents on injury stuff;

These guys are so fined tuned that if THEY feel there body is not 120% for/during the match it’s a silent disadvantage. However, imo they have an obligation to the paying crowd to give it a go, even if they cannot perform they way they would like too, and for good reason. Look Rafa had knees issues ( and in this match he had an ankle thing if you noticed the tape he took off, and moved a little stiff imo in the beginning but once warmed up looked fine ), still played. Fed had back & mono issues, still played.

I congratulate Nole and hangin in there trying to fight through the thing with a one eyed willy, he could have walked off the court and said “no mas” right when it happened. The outcome after the a couple of games with the eye thing, was obvious.

Hopefully he can get over this quickly and play on. Rafa meanwhile saying “thank you very much” played very steady ( how many times has he done that? ) and took Nole’s beatdown groundies early and held ground. It was going to be a great match either way…..

Happy Thanksgivin for anyone that celebrates it!

And VULCAN>>>COME>>>>>>>BACK!


Nina Says:

I am it

I don’t agree. I think Rafa was a good sport. At the end of the match, a sign that these two are real friends, Rafa hugged and asked Djokovic what had been his problem.

After that he told the Spanish TV that he pitied Djokovic because of the eye incident and that it clearly affected him negatively so that he lost the match. He wanted to ask him later in the locker room about the whole story with the eye because he didn’t understand anything Nole said during the handshake.

I admit it is weird that so many trivial and unfortunate things happen to Nole all the time. Anyone remember AO10 against Tsonga? He was dominating the match, winning by one set and then he suddenly felt sick, took a bathroom break to vomit and then started playing like shit and losing the match. I thought I would never see that happen again. But Nole is special even in that department. Take it or leave it.

By the way, I like this scenario very much, I think it’s very plausible:

Roddick defeats Djokovic in 3 sets and Nadal defeats Berdych in 2 sets = Nadal Wins Group and Djokovic Qualifies 2nd.

Roddick defeats Djokovic in 3 sets and Nadal defeats Berdych in 3 sets = Nadal Wins Group and Djokovic Qualifies 2nd.


Duro Says:

Sar, hello. He doesn’t need a surgery. Maybe just plain glasses (for sports, of course) and not contact lenses. Plus, he needs not to dramatize so much and to focus. He was all lost thinking of his misfortune. If calm, he would have overcome that vision problem much faster, and especially if he didn’t touch it all the time. Oh, he drives me mad!


i am it Says:

Duro,
Don’t be trying my guts. I sometimes enjoy hating Rafa as much as other people enjoy loving him.
In fact, I have dabbled with the idea of playing the Fedend from the opposite extreme. Just for the sake of playing stupid. But truth has its strange way of revealing in strange places, and this could have been one of those.


skeezerweezer Says:

I am it,

Slam dunk it the trunk with 7;23 post ( last paragraph )! lol


Kimmi Says:

durossimmmo – djoko vs muzz in the final..yeah baby! but i would be a sad puppy for federer loss. cant win them all, i know!

my wish is for murray to be alert and 100% when he meets djoko. this is the only way we can guarantee the muzz win.


i am it Says:

Nina,
I wish I could say the same. I wish this world that we live in were that perfect.
I am comfortable with my antagonistic position.


Nina Says:

Duro

One thing is true. If you keep rubbing the eye like Nole did, it will just get worse. It has happened to me sometimes and it gets so itchy and red that you can’t stop rubbing and it becomes inflamed quickly. Best thing to do is clean with water (eyewash only irritates further, I saw Nole using that) and then close your eyes for at least 10 minutes until the soreness disappears. The more you rub on it the worse it will get, blinding you for a while.

But still, Nole could very easily qualify… I want to keep it positive.

FRIDAY SEMI-FINAL QUALIFYING SCENARIOS

Group A singles qualification scenarios after the completion of two rounds of the Round-Robin:

Berdych defeats Nadal in 2 sets and Djokovic defeats Roddick in 2 sets = Djokovic Wins Group and Berdych Qualifies 2nd.
Berdych defeats Nadal in 2 sets and Djokovic defeats Roddick in 3 sets = Berdych Wins Group and Nadal Qualifies 2nd.
Berdych defeats Nadal in 3 sets and Djokovic defeats Roddick in 2 sets = Djokovic Wins Group and Nadal Qualifies 2nd.
Berdych defeats Nadal in 3 sets and Djokovic defeats Roddick in 3 sets = Nadal Wins Group and Djokovic Qualifies 2nd.

Roddick defeats Djokovic in 2 sets and Nadal defeats Berdych in 2 sets = Nadal Wins Group and Roddick Qualifies 2nd.
Roddick defeats Djokovic in 2 sets and Nadal defeats Berdych in 3 sets = Nadal Wins Group and Berdych Qualifies 2nd.
Roddick defeats Djokovic in 3 sets and Nadal defeats Berdych in 2 sets = Nadal Wins Group and Djokovic Qualifies 2nd.
Roddick defeats Djokovic in 3 sets and Nadal defeats Berdych in 3 sets = Nadal Wins Group and Djokovic Qualifies 2nd.


Duro Says:

Hey, i am it, Fedend is not stupid. He is very clever. He makes other people look stupid. You know by what. No offense, my Fed fans friends, but you made him famous.

Kimmi, it’s very possible. I know Murray can beat Rafa, as well as I know Nole can beat Fed. It’s pretty obvious that if they qualify, they’ll be second, so the scenario is very possible.


skeezerweezer Says:

“If calm, he would have overcome that vision problem much faster, and especially if he didn’t touch it all the time.”

Please tell that to Rafa, who was methodically doing the butt pull, then touch his nose, then serve the ball. Who wants to return that? My God man, it’s Germ Warfare! My vision is blurred as I type.

DISCLAIMER: JOKE


Nina Says:

@skee

Or maybe Nole was just blinded by Rafa’s new outfit, lol.


skeezerweezer Says:

Nina,

Thanks for the research on that. Appreciate the contribution. Can you do it for the other side as well? If you did I missed it :(


Duro Says:

Sorry for not in position to talk to you some more, people, but gotta get some sleeping. 1:43 am and working tomorrow. Noleland sleeps, but only Nole and Duro don’t… Oh boy, oh boy… In Novak I trust! Poor me…


Nina Says:

@skee

I took it from the official ATP website…

THURSDAY SEMI-FINAL QUALIFYING SCENARIOS

Group B singles qualification scenarios after the completion of two rounds of the Round-Robin:

Regardless of score:
Federer defeats Soderling + Murray defeats Ferrer – then Federer Wins Group and Murray Qualifies 2nd.

Soderling defeats Federer + Ferrer defeats Murray – then Soderling qualifies as Group Winner and Federer qualifies 2nd.

OR

Scenarios below apply:

Soderling defeats Federer in 2 Sets + Murray defeats Ferrer in 2 sets – then Ferrer eliminated. Order of remaining players determined by % of Games won.

Soderling defeats Federer in 2 Sets + Murray defeats Ferrer in 3 sets – then Soderling qualifies as Group Winner and Federer Qualifies 2nd.

Soderling defeats Federer in 3 Sets + Murray defeats Ferrer in 2 sets – then Federer qualifies as Group Winner and Murray Qualifies 2nd.

Soderling defeats Federer in 3 Sets + Murray defeats Ferrer in 3 sets – then Federer qualifies as Group Winner based on % of Sets Won and Murray Qualifies 2nd.

Federer defeats Soderling in 2 sets + Ferrer defeats Murray in 2 sets – then Federer qualifies as Group Winner; Ferrer, Murray, Soderling tied with a 1-2 record and 2-4 in Sets. Final Spot determined by % of Games Won.

Federer defeats Soderling in 2 sets + Ferrer defeats Murray in 3 sets – then Federer qualifies as Group Winner and Murray qualifies 2nd.

Federer defeats Soderling in 3 sets + Ferrer defeats Murray in 2 sets – then Federer qualifies as Group Winner and Soderling qualifies 2nd.

Federer defeats Soderling in 3 sets + Ferrer defeats Murray in 3 sets – then Federer qualifies as Group Winner and Murray qualifies 2nd.


dunbar Says:

Kimmi @6.56.
Djokovic was obliged to seek assistance a second time, I suppose a second time out, which I believe is against the rules. Nadal was observed to be arguing vigorously with the tournamnet referee. Peter Fleming interviewed this official after the match. It seems the rules were bent a bit – with a big crowd like that, you really want badly to avoid having to default. So they referred to “equipment failure” or something along these lines, to get round the rules. Fleming then asked the official why Nadal had been arguing. The official looked Fleming straight in the face and said:”Oh, that was about something else”. Fleming paused a bit to let this sink in. And then said something like “I see.” I have to “quote” from memory.

Nadal’s show of concern at the handshake certainly looked a bit hypocritical. On the other hand, he is a warrior, not a saint, and I daresay he was concerned about losing his focus or having his rhythm disrupted. Heat of the moment, too. On court, Nadal is singleminded and ruthless. It’s not pretty, but it helps him to win. Perhaps Djokovic could take a leaf out of that book….


skeezerweezer Says:

@Nina

THANK YOU :). Now we all can ponder the possibilities……..Btw, love the creative nickname…Mahalo!


Nina Says:

@dunbar

Nadal is ruthless. That much is true.


i am it Says:

dunbar says, “On court, Nadal is singleminded and ruthless. It’s not pretty, but it helps him to win. Perhaps Djokovic could take a leaf out of that book….”

Precisely my point but in a negative language. I like your version better.


jane Says:

Nina, thanks for posting the remaining scenarios.


Kimmi Says:

nina – thanks for that ATP post. federer just needs to win his match tomorrow to guarantee himself a pass to the semi. its good that the qualification is in his own raquet. it is muzz i am worried about.

dunbar – thanks for the explanation on nadal/nole situation. if the rules were bent then i guess nadal was right to complain? sounds like somebody did not do their job correctly. strange!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Too bad. Nole is a great talent, but he shows over and over that he’s more concerned with finding excuses for losing than ways to win.


van orten Says:

fed should have never lost vs nole us open 2010


sar Says:

So, does anyone think Novak lost the first set and says it’s not worth it expending more energy. You don’t have to be that competitive every match to get to the semis. Banks on maybe taking one set from Roddick. If not, oh well, then he leaves for DC?


Mindy Says:

Nina,

Thank you for speaking about the exchange that Rafa and Nole had at the net after the match ended. I haven’t had a chance to read Rafa’s press conference yet. These two are good friends. Why some people must persist in this inciting and inflaming of the very few Rafa fans who even bother to post here, I have no idea.

Players have had no problem voicing their concerns about Rafa’s so-called delaying tactics, MTO’s, etc. In the heat of a match they may complain or get irritated, but at the end they can still like and respect each other. Rafa asked Nole was what wrong when they met at the net. They hugged and chatted. Nole seemed to be telling him what happened. The only thing I was able to hear was Rafa telling him – good luck – as they parted.

Kimberly,

You would have liked this match, although the unfortunate eye issue that Nole had really pretty much took a lot of the competitiveness out of it. Rafa came out playing much better this time. He was serving better, but his first serve stat is still low for him. It’s been like that since after the USO. I think it was 57% for first serves in the first set, winning 74% of them and 56% of second serves. I don’t know the stats for the second set off the top of my head.

Rafa was focused, aggressive and pounded those grounstrokes. He was hitting them shorter than I would have liked in the first half of that first set, but then he seemed to get the depth and accuracy and penetration like I like to see. That crosscourt backhand is there, still not as consistent as when Rafa is in his best form, but nevertheless a potent weapon.

I will tell you this. I was watching Rafa’s face a lot during both matches. He wants this. I have seen that look before. I am pleased that I don’t see any signs of real mental fatigue. He was very focused and intense in this match. Each match win he gets gives him more confidence. He will only get better. He is not in his best form, but I still like his chances here.

Rafa won’t want to wait for someone else to win a set or lose a set. He will want to beat Berdych himself to get a ticket to the semis.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Mindy,

Hello there. Congrats. Rafa lookin fine in those new pimpish duds? Yowza!

Anyways… clarification please muchas gracias senorita;

“Players have had no problem voicing their concerns about Rafa’s so-called delaying tactics, MTO’s, etc”

You meant “posters” right? Not Players. I can’t see him getting voted in for the sportsmanship award this year if that was true, no?

just sayin,……..;-)


Kimberly Says:

Just finished watchingnthenreplay on tennis channel. Thought rafa played ok and after the first set the energy level overall was very low. But he was moving well and seemed able to keep focus. Don’t love this outfit though! Hopefully inwillnhave a nicer outfit to watch for seven matches at austrailian open!

Hopefully I will miss the fed match as I booked a nine thirty court time with my husband who is recovering from the flu but I will attempt to force him to play anyway. Thirty pound turkey going in the oven at 6 am! I know I can see everyones comments though when in return! Im not sure who I’m pulling fornother than poor ferrer. I can’t bear to see anyonenshut out. Night all!


Skeezerweezer Says:

Kimberly,

30 Lbs? Wow …beats mine ( 23 ). Mixed doubles? And your husband playing with the Flu? That is “Mixed Troubles”, kudos to him for playing and good luck to your match tomorrow.


Kimberly Says:

Skeezer, No just a friendlynhusband wife singles match. And is he gotnthown out of a 5.5 for being too good recently I think he can play with the flu against little me. But he wears contact lenses so watch out!

Actually my mother is the one cooking butnshe is unable to lift the turkey so I have to help with the prep. Wish the federer match was earlier. NFL will takeover so the 3pm will never have chance to be seen. Again, none of my favs so I will watch replays at night when I know the score.

I don’t care about the result of fed, soda unless it somehow impacts whonrafanwould play should he qualify. And I would like ferrer to win but don’t care that much. Obviously would love a RAfa rddocik win on firiday! Only four hours till I have to deal with heaving this huge turkey. I’m off!


Mindy Says:

Skeezer,

No, actually this time I meant players and not posters in that specific reference. Players have complained about Rafa taking too long to serve and have had issues with the fact that he makes them wait before he comes out to meet them at the net before the match for the coin toss and the rules with the umpire.

I am trying hard to keep my focus on the tennis and not the personal things about the players. There has been a desire expressed here that we keep our comments focused on tennis. That’s what I am striving to do.

I assume that the players still like and respect him if they voted him Sportsman of the Year. One would have to ask them.

I do not like the colors he is wearing for this tournament at all. Rafa is someone who looks good in everything, but combinging a fuschia or magenta shirt with gray shorts and those bright yellow wristbands and headband, would not be my idea of a flattering color combo. He is still Rafa, but I am not loving these duds.

Okay, senor?


Mindy Says:

Sorry, forgot to add – Happy Thanksgiving to all who are celebrating this holiday!

Kimberly,

Don’t hurt yourself lifting that huge turkey!:)


margot Says:

Have just read your critiques of the match and every time you mention stuff about nole’s head you could substitute Andy’s name and u wouldn’t be able to tell the difference..sigh..


bibi Says:

“Fleming then asked the official why Nadal had been arguing. The official looked Fleming straight in the face and said:’Oh, that was about something else’.”

That’s true. Nadal was NOT arguing about Nole/his lense/his MTOs/his bathroom breaks, but about something else entirely.

Read his post-match interview on ATP page.

Umpire Ullrich took the opportunity while Djokovic was having his bathroom break to generally warn Nadal to speed up his time between points. Nadal told him it’s a strange moment for that, having in mind he’s sitting there for over 7 minutes when a MTO should last 3 minutes and he’s not complaining, then surely his few seconds more between some points could not be such an issue. They were in a friendly game, he understands Nole’s problems and the need to bend the rules for him, so why this rigid approach towards him.

In short, he pointed out Ullrich’s double standard: either enforce the rules on both or not at all.

And it’s true Nole is also notoriously slow between points, and this time he was even slower, adding careful eye-rubbing and repeated lid-tugging to his pre-serve routine. Yet, Ullrich chose not to warn him but to warn Nadal and that in the middle of the uber-extended MTO for Nole.


dunbar Says:

bibi

I was the one who referred to Fleming’s interview. I conceded on the other thread that I was mistaken – it just seemed obvious at the time that Nadal was complaining about Djokovic “illegally” having a 2nd time out.
Well, this is a lesson that the “obvious” isn’t always true and that, before coming to conclusions, at least about character judgement, one ought to acquire proper evidence and not go on inference. Sorry.

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