Wimbledon Seedings: Federer Gets No Bump, Williams Sisters Rise
by Staff | June 15th, 2011, 3:23 pm
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The All England Club released their Wimbledon seedings this morning for the men and women’s tournaments. For the most part, there’s little controversy.

In the men’s seedings the Top 5 ranked players stayed the same. Despite a Wimbledon title two years ago (of which 75% of the points count toward 2011 seedings), Roger Federer was unable to make up the ground needed to pass Novak Djokovic for the No. 2 seed.

Nadal is 1, Djokovic 2, Federer 3, Murray 4 and Soderling is No. 5. Frenchmen Jo-Wilfried Tsonga and Michael Llodra improved their positions to No. 12 and 19, respectively.

Nadal and Federer, who just played in Paris, could now meet in the Wimbledon semifinals.

For the women, the return of the Williams sisters slightly shifted the seedings. After the withdrawal of No. 2 seed Kim Clijsters, Serena was placed at No. 7 and Venus at No. 23 (each moved up one after Clijsters w/d). The seedings ensures Serena will avoid a top seed until the quarterfinals while Venus won’t meet a Top 8 player until the fourth round.

Clijsters withdrawal also moved 2010 Wimbledon semifinalist Tsvetana Pironkova into the No. 32 seeded position.

Caroline Wozniacki is seeded No. 1 following by Vera Zvonareva, Li Na, Victoria Azarenka and Maria Sharapova.

The Wimbledon Committee uses a formula to determine the men’s seedings. The women’s are subject to their opinions.

The 2011 Wimbledon men’s and women’s draw will be released on Friday. The tournament begins Monday with defending champion Rafael Nadal playing at 1pm local time.

Gentlemen’s Singles

1 Rafael NADAL (ESP) [1]
2 Novak DJOKOVIC (SRB) [2]
3 Roger FEDERER (SUI) [3]
4 Andy MURRAY (GBR) [4]
5 Robin SODERLING (SWE) [5]
6 Tomas BERDYCH (CZE) [6]
7 David FERRER (ESP) [7]
8 Andy RODDICK (USA) [8]
9 Gael MONFILS (FRA) [9]
10 Mardy FISH (USA) [10]
11 Jurgen MELZER (AUT) [11]
12 Jo-Wilfried TSONGA (FRA) [12]
13 Viktor TROICKI (SRB) [13]
14 Stanislas WAWRINKA (SUI) [14]
15 Gilles SIMON (FRA) [15]
16 Nicolas ALMAGRO (ESP) [16]
17 Richard GASQUET (FRA) [17]
18 Mikhail YOUZHNY (RUS) [18]
19 Michael LLODRA (FRA) [19]
20 Florian MAYER (GER) [20]
21 Fernando VERDASCO (ESP) [21]
22 Alexandr DOLGOPOLOV (UKR) [22]
23 Janko TIPSAREVIC (SRB) [23]
24 Juan Martin DEL POTRO (ARG) [24]
25 Juan Ignacio CHELA (ARG) [25]
26 Guillermo GARCIA-LOPEZ (ESP) [26]
27 Marin CILIC (CRO) [27]
28 David NALBANDIAN (ARG) [28]
29 Nikolay DAVYDENKO (RUS) [29]
30 Thomaz BELLUCCI (BRA) [30]
31 Milos RAONIC (CAN) [31]
32 Marcos BAGHDATIS (CYP) [32]

Ladies’ Singles

1 Caroline WOZNIACKI (DEN) [1]
2. Vera ZVONAREVA (RUS) [2]

3. Na LI (CHN) [3]
4. Victoria AZARENKA (BLR) [4]
5. Maria SHARAPOVA (RUS) [5]
6. Francesca SCHIAVONE (ITA) [6]
7. Serena WILLIAMS (USA) [7]
8. Petra KVITOVA (CZE) [8]
9. Marion BARTOLI (FRA) [9]
10. Samantha STOSUR (AUS) [10]
11. Andrea PETKOVIC (GER) [11]
12. Svetlana KUZNETSOVA (RUS) [12]
13. Agnieszka RADWANSKA (POL) [13]
14. Anastasia PAVLYUCHENKOVA (RUS) [14]
15. Jelena JANKOVIC (SRB) [15]
16. Julia GOERGES (GER) [16]
17. Kaia KANEPI (EST) [17]
18. Ana IVANOVIC (SRB) [18]
19. Yanina WICKMAYER (BEL) [19]
20. Shuai PENG (CHN) [20]
21. Flavia PENNETTA (ITA) [21]
22. Shahar PEER (ISR) [22]
23. Venus WILLIAMS (USA) [23]
24. Dominika CIBULKOVA (SVK) [24]
25. Daniela HANTUCHOVA (SVK) [25]
26. Maria KIRILENKO (RUS) [26]
27. Jarmila GAJDOSOVA (AUS) [27]
28. Ekaterina MAKAROVA (RUS) [28]
29. Roberta VINCI (ITA) [29]
30. Bethanie MATTEK-SANDS (USA) [30]
31. Lucie SAFAROVA (CZE) [31]
32. Tsvetana PIRONKOVA (BUL) [32]


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223 Comments for Wimbledon Seedings: Federer Gets No Bump, Williams Sisters Rise

madmax Says:

way to go Roge!

Come on!


madmax Says:

Can anyone tell me, is there anyway that Roge could be on Novak’s side of the draw at wimby?

Thanks


dari Says:

is there a rule where he can’t be at wimbledon or something? or does 1-3 and 2-4 have to go together at this tourney?


Kimmi Says:

madmax – who knows. seed 1 and 2 are placed on opposite side..3 and 4 are drawn from the hat. lets wait and see…

I am hoping federer is on nadal side. Murray and djoko can battle it out to the final.


Brando Says:

Past 3 wimbledon’s has seen seed 1 drawn with seed 3 for the semi final. If that trend hold’s up then it would be a nadal- federer semi final. I imagine that neither would want that for obvious reason’s, with rafa preferring Murray and roger with a preference for djokovic.


dari Says:

just double checking wimbles doesn’t have a “special” system where 1 has to go with 3 and 2 with 4.
otherwise, yes, like kimmi said it is supposed to be random, so we just wait and see!
so, brando, its time for a change then, no?
after french open semi, i am not so worried about fed being able to beet novak, esp. on grass, but it would be nice to mix it up. he and novak have been playing semis since USO last year, time for a change.
plus, rafa is too good in finals. if fed is gonna have to take him out, maybe he has a better chance in semi


dari Says:

beet’s on the brain, geeze!
either way i don’t care, just want roger to play well enough to beat WHOMEVER may make it to that round :)


Brando Says:

Dari, as a rafa fan I believe that for nadal a semi with Murray would be a more welcome propostion than one with federer. Furthermore, I believe that federer can deal with djokovic alot easier than murray. Whoever were to win the nadal- federer semi would be a huge favourite against the winner of Murray-djokovic.


dari Says:

sure, i understand. i just meant mathematically, it SHOULD me time for a change. 4 in a row is… what’s the math, multiply the probability of each “coin toss” .5x.5x.5x.5 = ~6% chance that 1 goes with three 4 years in a row. low, but strange things happen all the time with these things, the match seems to go by the way-side.
WE SHALL SEE


Brando Says:

Fair point, change would be good I guess. Nonetheless this Wimbledon does seem an exciting prospect with all the big 4 harbouring justified hopes of possibly wiining the tournament. Cannot wait for it all to begin and unfold!!


Anna Says:

I wonder if Rafa will get to help with the draw as he did at FO? The only thing we know for sure is there will be no Rafole matchup until the smoke has cleared and they’re the last two standing. As good as Roger’s been playing,I can’t help but think Rafa would rather meet Fed in the semi’s than Andy (if they both get that far).


Brando Says:

I think rafa would prefer Murray, since let’s face it, roger is a 6 times champion, a player who beat rafa twice at Wimbledon, who is back in form after reaching the final at FO and most importantly is more comfortable on grass than any of the other top 3. Murray, on the other hand, rafa has beaten twice at Wimbledon, recently at the French- all in straight sets- and rafa know’s that in the heat of the battle is more likely to crumble than federer.


M Says:

I don’t think it’s fair that Roger is not seeded #2. They compute the Wimbledon seedings based on grass results for the past two years. I know Nole went one round past Roger last year, but Roger won in 2009.

Not fair not fair not fair.


Anna Says:

I understand what your saying Brando, but Roger was in his hey day the last time he beat Rafa at Wimbledon, and while Roger played great tennis in Paris, I think 5 sets of Rafa is just to much for Fed no matter where they’re playing now. Murray is more of an unknown quantity this year. He definitely upped his game on clay and could do the same on grass. In a final though, nerves could be a problem for Andy giving Rafa a little edge (all speculation of course).


Kimmi Says:

rafa got it easy at the FO. as soon as federer beat nole there, rafa knew that he got the FO in the bag.

I hope roger is on rafa side this time. just to give nole and murray a chance to battle it out for the final. none has reached wimbledon final.

Like dari, i think roger has a good chance to beat rafa in the semi.

Go rog.


Kimmi Says:

go canucks!


Eric Says:

Dari, the fact that no. 3 has been drawn to meet the no. 1 the past three years has zero impact on this year. Classic misunderstanding of probability.

” In a final though, nerves could be a problem for Andy giving Rafa a little edge (all speculation of course).”

Also the fact that Rafa is a cut above Murray on grass and Andy has yet to play a non-embarrassing GS final.

“I don’t think it’s fair that Roger is not seeded #2… Not fair not fair not fair.”

How is it not fair? What’s not fair would be if a tournament result from 2 years ago were somehow weighted substantially enough to overturn a 3,000 point difference in the rankings and a ridiculous gulf in results over the past year. If Roger were closer to Nole, sure, Fed as #2 seed would be defensible. As it is? Heck no.


Brando Says:

You do make a valid point anna. And I also agree with kimmi in ref to FO- rafa v nole as the final would have been a more nervy, tense affair as a rafa fan. Also the arguement that federer has a good chance of beating rafa in the semi is true. However, I believe that roger’s chances against rafa in a final are as equally good as in a semi, if anything I feel that roger has a greater chance than Murray or djokovic against rafa in a final.


dari Says:

Go canucks!
Eric, please do straighten me out on the probability, with details


Eric Says:

Dari, what you’re thinking of is this:

Given an event of 50% probability (getting heads when you flip a coin, the no. 3 being drawn to face no. 1), the likelihood of it occurring four times in a row is, like you say, ~6% (specifically, .5^4 = 6.25%). So it’s very, very common for people to think “well, we’ve gotten heads three times in a row, surely the next one will be tails!”

This is based on two misunderstandings, first of the law of large numbers (if you flip the coin a zillion times, roughly half of them will be heads – true, but each flip is an independent event), and, second and more sophisticatedly, of how the math you did above relates to reality. It’s true that there is a small chance of getting 4 heads in a row, but it’s the same as the chance of getting 3 heads in a row and then a tails (as distinct from getting 3 heads and 1 tail, in any order — it’s the prediction of the results in order that matters).

Each time you flip the coin there is a 50% chance of getting heads and a 50% chance of getting tails. There is no relation between past and future flips of the coin, so after three heads, getting a fourth head is no more or less likely than having it come up tails.


Kimmi Says:

ha-ha jamie. that is definitively roger holding that trophy.
If i was you i would stop doing this. you did a good jinx at RG


jane Says:

It’s clear that jamie is NOT a Nole fan.


Kimmi Says:

Oh, no. not look good for canucks :)


dari Says:

Are you kidding me on this hockey game?!


Kimmi Says:

oh god, no way to come back from this.


Kimmi Says:

boston has a good goal keeper though, nothing goes past him.


jamie Says:

ajde!


Kimberly Says:

ttp://www.tourneytopia.com/RacquetBracketWimbledonATP/tennisxfans1/Pre-Register.aspx

here we go! Another round of bracket fun!


skeezerweezer Says:

Tx K :)…nice how ya got the photo in…:)


Kimberly Says:

colino6 wants to be the group mascot. i figured it was better than rafa since no one other than us two likes him!!!!


dari Says:

Oh, I thought you meant something wrong with the formula, specifically.
I understand the true meaning of probability and how each event is totally independent of the one before or after, but in our condensed sports world, we don’t have a million coin flips (Wimbledon draws), so when I say it “should be about time for a tails” after only 4 years, I’m willingly falling into the trap. I don’t have a problem making that mistake as long as I don’t have any money on it or at least no more than I would for a single coin flip.
Oh geeze, welcome back jamie.


Kimberly Says:

http://www.tourneytopia.com/RacquetBracketWimbledonWTA/kimberli253/Pre-Register.aspx

THIS IS FOR THE LADIES BRACKET. THE ATP LINK IS IN THE 10:05 POST.

Last time El Flaco won the French Open. I came in 4th. ColinO5soon6 came in last.

The scoring bonus is added to the atp pool and for the final round the seed number will be multiplied by 30 as last time the winner was decided by the semis, i thought this might make the final round more competitive.


Anna Says:

Kimberly – There are at least a handful of Nadal fans here. I for one am a huge Rafa fan, but Colino6 would probably be a better mascot.


Eric Says:

dari, sure, but you said “mathematically, it should be a time for a change,” which isn’t true… Without the adverb I would completely agree, however. :)


dari Says:

Thx Kimberli, think its good to have a little more competitive till the very end.
I thought Colin06 was already our mascot ;)
Another goal?!
Tennisx ppl having bad luck with non-tennis faves :(


Kimberly Says:

We switched to snoopy as the hockey game was upsetting colino6. Not sure why snoopy is better, Charlie browns baseball team has never won a game, ever.


Kimberly Says:

Btw Wimbledon Nike collections out on Midwest sports. Have already ordered rafa’s ensemble for kaiser and marias dress for myself. No kids rafa shirts.


jane Says:

Thanks for setting up the brackets Kimberly. Thank goodness for tennis.

Well, Ike, wherever you are, congratulation on winning the Cup. I am so sad. Like wow. :(


Kimberly Says:

Jane sorry, we know the feeling in Miami! At least in tennis, for example, if you blow it you have another shot in a few weeks, like fed, lost RG but has a shot three weeks later at a more important title. A year seems like a long time.

Lebron is getting royally roasted down here. I personally thought he was disappointed, but have zeroed my anger on spoelstra.


dari Says:

Sorry Jane, I don’t know how you guys get invested in more than one sport!
K- honestly wish Maria woulda done more with the dress.
Too much like Miami


dari Says:

I like Rafa’s blue and the background stripe-looking white.
Green for roger- who woulda thought.
Serena’s looks nautical in a cute way, aza looks like nightgown, but im sure it will be good on her.


jane Says:

Thanks you guys are sweet. Kimberly I read something today that asked: is Luongo to the Canucks what LeBron is to the Heat? I took it as a bad omen. lol. ;)

Yes, tennis just keeps going, so it’s not only ONE big prize but FOUR of them, not to mention the masters titles.

VIVA LA TENNIS!


Kimberly Says:

The blue Miami sharapova dress and the white wozniaki us open are my two favorites I own. Very simple, straight cut.

Kaiser and colinO6 favorite is nadals 2010 French open but people at the club say kaiser looks downright scary when he shows up in the rafa us open outfit. Kaiser has to wear rafa’s shoes, feds are too light for him. I think rafa’s shoes are comparable to serenas and sharapovas more comparable to feds. I can wear both serena type and Maria type shoes but I think I prefer Serena shoes and Maria dresses. ColinO6 got the rafa the bull Wimbledon hat.


Michael Says:

Federer should have the confidence that he can beat Nadal. His game is no way inferior to Nadal infact it is much superior as the elegance, finesse and beauty of his game stands unparalled. He is technically a near perfect player and that is the reason you find him not injuring himself like most other Tennis Players on Court. Fans have never seen Federer withdrawing from a Grand slam due to some injury problem. This is the greatness of Federer and that is the reason he could achieve the near impossible task of 23 straight grand slam semis which I consider his biggest achievement to date more than the 16 Grand slams that he has won. I am sure that this achievement cannot be surpassed by any other Tennis player for centuries to come. That the next best is by Lendl by a mile is testimony as to how difficult the task is. Above all this, the reason he loses to Nadal most often is his inability to convert the numerous break points into winners. If he improves in that department then quite often he can beat Nadal. Perhaps this is the weakness of Federer not only against Nadal against most other players. Infact even against Djokovic when he won at the French Open, he was able to convert just a handful of the numerous break points that he earned. His conversion ratio was a pathetic anywhere between 20-30%. Inspite of that he won that day due to his brilliant display of sublime Tennis.


Skeezerweezer Says:

jane,

:( Canucks. Oh well, no other team made it there besides the Bruins..all in all a great year. Besides, now you can focus on Wimby. Focus Jane focus…:)


Eskay Says:

Nole should utilise the excellent opportunity presented by being the second seed to reach the finals for the first time. If Roger falls in Rafa half, it is curtains for him. Nole will prefer Andy, Rafa would prefer Roger to Andy. Great matches, if they happen, would be Rafa vs. Andy and Nole vs. Roger in the semis.


andrea Says:

oh my vancouver – does it have to come to this? sad for the city to see this violence. i look forward to the cool green grass of wimbledon with the tame fans.


Eric Says:

“Rafa would prefer Roger to Andy. ”

Why do people keep saying this? Nonsense. Rafa has beaten Murray in two easy, straight sets matches (with only one particularly close set between them) at Wimbledon. And Roger played better tennis at RG than at any other slam since 2007, except perhaps 2008 USO. He is well on form.


jane Says:

andrea, I know. And these people are not even hockey fans. What a shame. The fans in Roger’s arena were classy and more indicative of our city.

Canucks should hold their heads high. You are right skeeze. They had a record-setting season and made the cup finals. If I just didn’t have to see Kesler’s post-game presser, that made me so sad. :’(


farley Says:

Good seedings, I am very sure, for this time, Novak Djokovic will win trophy of Wimbledon.


madmax Says:

Kimmi, thanks for earlier post.

I’m not sure what I would prefer to be honest. I think Federer has a really good chance to go deep into wimby for all the obvious reasons.

I think that should he face rafa in the semis (if rafa’s makes it), why do people assume he will and Roger won’t?, then I think federer will do it. As for the final, I think fed could beat everyone right now. It’s how I want to think, positively and nothing less than that.

BUT, it is going to be an incredible wimby tournament with the top four really being at the top of their game. Have just read what Borg said about the top four. Will post it here in a moment.

I am hoping that Federer is on novak’s side of the draw, beats him and gets into the final to beat rafa, if he makes it. I think the pressure on Murray will be too much against rafa. I hope that changes this time. (all speculation of course).


madmax Says:

Bjorn Borg has claimed men’s tennis is enjoying another “golden age” with a new fab four.

And the five-time champion is predicting the “most exciting Wimbledon ever” with Rafa Nadal, Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer and Andy Murray on collision course to meet in the semi-finals.

The Swedish legend enjoyed famous rivalries with John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

But the winner of 11 Grand Slams admits his era did not feature four players of such big talents and profiles as the current game.

“We are in a new golden age of tennis,” declared Borg. “We had great rivalries in my day and the people who came to tennis then could relate to the different personalities. Today tennis has changed a lot. They hit the ball so much harder, the competition is tougher. And they have for the first time ever four guys at the top of the world.

“If you go back, that has never happened before. That is why I think Wimbledon is going to be the most exciting ever.

“Everyone is physically healthy – no-one is injured. And they are all playing unbelievable tennis right now. It would be great to see these four in the semi-finals like they were in Paris. I cannot see anyone else winning Wimbledon apart from these four guys. It is going to be fantastic.”

Looking at today’s players, Borg reckons he was closest to the “physical and mental strength” of Nadal, who has just equalled his record of six French Open titles. But he insisted the Spaniard, or any other player, could not play with his famous wooden racquet. And he does not back the defending champion this year. He added: “If I had to pick one to win Wimbledon, I would pick Federer because he is so good on grass. But Murray also has a great chance to win.

“He is more mature. He is ready to win. The tennis he is playing today is unbelievable.

“He has been in three finals and lost but Ivan Lendl was the same. I think he has learned a lot in the last six months and has never been better prepared for Wimbledon.”

The carefully cultivated images of modern players are a lifetime away from the flamboyant 70s when Borg would also star in the Manhattan nightclub Studio 54 with playboy Vitus Gerulaitis.

But Borg, now an HSBC ambassador, insisted: “We didn’t go out either when we played Wimbledon. When I reached six Wimbledon finals, I was not going out during the week!

“In our time, we were very professional and practiced and focused on the tennis. When it was time, during the year, we could go out clubbing but otherwise we were as serious as these guys today.”

And Borg, who quit tennis in 1981 at the age of 25, admitted he paid the price of his superstardom. “When I used to arrive in the reception of my hotel, there were often hundreds of people waiting for me,” he recalled.

“In one way, it was funny, but it was also terrible. I had to stay in my room because I could not go out. I trained and I played matches and then I went back to my hotel.

“It was a monotonous life but I loved playing tennis so much, I put up with it. In those days, we were less protected than the players today. It was one of the reasons I gave up tennis so early.”

Borg, now 55, has a successful clothing business and lives back in Stockholm. “I could not be more happy,” he said.

Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/more-sport/tennis/2011/06/16/rafael-nadal-roger-federer-novak-djokovic-and-andy-murray-the-strongest-4-in-tennis-history-reckons-bjorn-borg-115875-23205223/#ixzz1PR5ThaB0


Colin Says:

Michael, your aesthetic description of Fed’s game is true, no doubt, but nobody wins any POINTS for “elegance, finesse and beauty”.
This is tennis, not ice dancing!

By the way, folks, I hate to be pessimistic, but Wimby starts quite soon, and it’s raining steadily in London…


El Flaco Says:

Wow! Vancouver is a war zone. Are these Canucks fans or just communists looking for an excuse to commit acts of violence like in Greece? What a disgrace.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Downtown+Vancouver+Rocked+Stanley+Post+Game+Riot/4953593/story.html


madmax Says:

Colin Says:
Michael, your aesthetic description of Fed’s game is true, no doubt, but nobody wins any POINTS for “elegance, finesse and beauty”.
This is tennis, not ice dancing!

June 16th, 2011 at 7:19 am

Colin,

but this is EXACTLY how federer wins his points! Not only with elegance, finesse and beauty, but with pace, power and placement!

Go federer!


Kimberly Says:

Makes yu appreciate tennis fans, cant think of any riots after Wimbledon or rolanod garros!


jane Says:

They are not fans. Not real ones. Apparently some of the ones who began this brought lighter fluid, face masks, and molotov cocktails with them downtown. I suspect they would have done this win or lose, and it is very very sad. We had a stellar atmosphere here during the Olympics. This is really embarrassing. Sadly, it is the people uninvolved who are ashamed and who are going to volunteer to clean up today. So sad.


Brando Says:

I would have to say that of the top 4 federer would have to be the favourite based on his grass court pedigree, recent run at the FO, where even though he lost in the final it was still his best performance against rafa at RG and he did beat man of the year, djokovic, in the semi. He deserves this tag and as a nadal fan I also feel that it suits nadal for it to be this way. After fed I would say rafa, Murray and then djokovic in that order?


stu Says:

Yeah, sorry about the Canucks, jane, but not too sorry coz I’m in Boston =).


Chico Says:

@jane

Have to say that the magnitude of the riots is a surprise. It should go without saying(?) that you don’t trash a citycenter because of a lost hockey match. On the other hand, there are people who deliberately anticipate and orchestrate chaos in masses.

But don’t you worry, its going to take a little bit more than a riot to take down Ol’ Canadas image as one of the friendlier nations in the world. Never been there myself but word goes round :).

And if you want to look at it that way, guess you have to have the right to bash yourself. Any pro tennisplayer goes as example :). Others have just developed it to an artform (mcenroe, safin etc :).
Then if you dont, usually venting like this is a sign of something, something not right. I bet there are a bunch of people somewhere being paid good taxdollars, allready pondering where this all comes from. Maybe it can be looked at as a way to figure out whats wrong, and then try to fix it.

Or could it still be just passion for Hockey??

While we’re at it lets stay in the praise canada(?) bracket and thank Kimberly for the Tennis-x tourney.
A comment on the points though.. adding points drastically to the later stages has two sides to it. It keeps the game on longer but on the same time diminishes the value of the picks requiring deeper knowledge of the game, namely the earlier stages. Don’t say I have that knowledge, but the rules also dictates development.

Doesn’t bother me though, as I know the winner – secret ;).


Kimberly Says:

Here is how I have it now:
rounds 1 and 2–no scoring bonus
Rounds 3,4 QF and SF–add seed number to the score
This rewards the people who get the sleeper picks and often results in different looking draws.
Final-30 points multiplied by seed number (so non-nadal pickers would benefit).

The only reason I made that change to the final was that last time El Flaco won by the semis regardless of whether Fed won the match. But actually, I don’t even know if anyone picked anyway.

Hmmmm. Commments. I can still change it.


Kimberly Says:

a footnote, unseeded are worth 33 pts or 32, either way its a lot. Kimmi cleaned up with Chela and Margot with Montanes for a round.

The 33 pointers are usually only good for one although Chela would have been good for two.


andrea Says:

we have a huge passion for hockey in vancouver and it’s really unfortunate that a small group of ingrates have effectively shut down any future mass game viewings. it was the coolest thing to have so many people participate on a grand scale with minimal impact..up until last night.

and to look at photos of our own city and see the same level of destruction that is going on in greece – when we have just lost a hockey game and their country is going down the toilet – it doesn’t make sense.


skeezerweezer Says:

andrea

:(

I have been to Vancouver and it is a wonderful city, good people. It is unfortunate however that they had to riot over a game. Riots are usually aligned with more serious issues…..


Queen Says:

Well, they cannot bump him forever no matter how many Wimledons he wins. If they did it would be absolutely unfair to Rafa and Novak who are just better this year.


Eric Says:

Wow…. Vera is melting away again Stosur. I was only half-watching, but she snagged the first set 6-4 and was up serving at 4-2 in the second set tiebreak, only to go on to lose it, and now she is trailing by 2 breaks in the final set. Oops.


Eric Says:

against Stosur…


jane Says:

Chico, we’re better than all that and I think that’s all I will say on the matter. Good point about the bracket challenges and early rounds.

Kimberly, do you know when we have to get our picks in by?

skeeze, yeah, usually riots are aligned with more serious issues, though I have heard of other cities’ “fans” rioting when their team wins!! There are always a few bad apples… :(


andrea Says:

vera’s game really depends on which vera shows up in her head. i

nice win by murray the other day. i’m not jumping on the murray bandwagon yet though. still has to break thru at the GS level to get rid oh his mental demons.

be nice to see one of the up and comers make a strong run this year – raonic, dogo, tomic – and give us all a scare.

if one of the williams sisters wins wimby this year, that would be truly incredible. for the sake of the WTA, i hope it doesn’t happen.


Eric Says:

Everyone has a bad spell after losing a tiebreak from being up, but yeah dropping serve twice in a row is not a good way to start a deciding set…. But Vera’s won 4 of the past 5 games in this set after dropping the first four (oops), so Sam is about to serve at 5-4 now. Vera is at least 10% better than her, so she should be able to break again, but she’s already done it once and I doubt Stosur will roll over on another chance to serve for the set.


Eric Says:

Yup… first match point at 40-0, seized with aplomb. Poor Vera, but now she can rest up for Wimby, I suppose.


Colin Says:

Andy Murray is to play an exhibition match tomorrow (Friday) against Viktor Troicki. Quite daring, considering Andy only just managed to get past him at the FO.


Eric Says:

” Quite daring”

Well, not really. It’s an exhibition. I doubt he’ll go home and drown his sorrows in bourbon if he loses.

“only just managed to get past him at the FO.”

Sure, if you ignore the fact that he twisted his ankle in the previous round and straight-setted Troicki after he got over it (i.e., after pissing away two sets with his negative mental state).


Kimberly Says:

give trocki credit, he was up 5-2 in the fifth, he did an extremely impressive choke job.


Colin Says:

Eric, of course I was talking in context – in the context of a tennis fandom that goes on about his “negative attitude” and seems to attach great importance to the nuances of his image. If he appears in good form it will surely have some small value for his confidence. And when he was “pissing away” two sets, he might just possibly have been worrying about that ankle, and remembering how long he was out of the game with his wrist injury a while back.
Anyway, he wouldn’t drown his sorrows in bourbon, or even Scotch, as he doesn’t drink alcohol.


Eric Says:

I do give Troicki credit; I’m one of the few people on this forum who seems to think he is both very good and not a mental midget. He did a fantastic job of taking to Andy, especially in the second set (when Andy was up, IIRC, or at least looking better for a while). But the fact is, Andy is going to win that match-up at least eight times out of ten. He was very out of sorts during the FO match – whether for purely mental or largely physical reasons. When they play again it will be a different story.


Kimberly Says:

Troicki=Choker

Examples:

1. Djokovic USO 2010 (Up 2-1 and a break)
2. Nadal Tokyo 2010 (2 MPS)
3. Murray RG 2011 (up 2-0, belw it, up 5-2 in 5th blew it)


Chico Says:

@jane, 12.39

I have no doubt. And as was obvious, just read a comment from a news correspondent in the area, the rioting was done by a handful of people. End of story for my part too.

Back to tennis and Kimberly (:


Chico Says:

The idea with bonuspoints given according to the seednumber was new, atleast to me, and a good one. Not too major given the bulk of points but enough to tip the scale in close calls. And I think the bonus points in the final should atleast be tried out. Main thing that the balance works when you compare rounds.

Another characteristic is of course the cumulative effect: the one with the most points in the beginning has most horses running in the next rounds. Only way to get around this is enabling to skip rounds for a player. Wonder if there exists such a bracket in tennis. At first thought it maybe doesn’t fit with the cup-format; player looses, player gets a flight home.


jamie Says:

farley Says:

Good seedings, I am very sure, for this time, Novak Djokovic will win trophy of Wimbledon.

______________

Agree.


Brando Says:

Lmao jamie, nice job on the photo. I feel that of the top 4 djokovic maybe would be the most unlikely winner as the other 3 have atleast won a title on grass, have greater pedigree on grass, have won against and proven themselves against genuine grasscourt players- and are the better players on grass. This may sound strange considering his outstanding success this year, and of course I maybe wrong, but I feel the key issue with djokovic will be his movement on grass as we always how he can retrieve a ball and then turn defence into offence on hard and clay- something which he has done before not jus this year- but can he do so on grass?


Kimmi Says:

nole has reached semi final twice at wimbledon, i think he can play on grass alright. if he gets murray on his half, he could get in the final and give anyone on the opposite side a run for their money.

roger may trouble him but rafa’s game matches up well with nole. murray..well, who knows which murray will turn up, he can definitively win it.


Kimmi Says:

great win by hantuchova. she is been playing well recently. she is now beating players she had trouble with before..

wozniacki, venus..OK, venus is not the same, but still.


Brando Says:

He also reached the final at queens in 2008 and I think Halle either 2009 or 2010- so yes he has had success on grass, but what I meant by pedigree is that he has never yet beat a ‘a-list’ grass court player like fed, rafa, murray or roddick- players that most would agree and say are the best on this surface. Murray, for example, I feel is the better player on this surface as he has won queens twice, beat roddick and generally has proven his game suits grass more so than djokovic. Yet, no doubt, djokovic is right in there with a shout for sure.


Kimmi Says:

murray has not beaten nadal or federer on grass. The only difference for murray is he is beaten roddick..roddick!! who is not playing as good as his hay days.

Murray reached wimbledon semi twice, so is djokovic. Murray won queens without beating rafa and federer. I think he won queens by beating querrey and tsonga. nole lost to rafa twice, at queens and wimbledon where he had to retire i believe.

Its still open for me on how djokovic can play on grass. I think his chances are as good as murray or even better since he is beaten nadal and federer in big matches.


marrisv Says:

I definitely think Murray will be more than amarginal favorite against Djokovic should they meet on Wimby. Murray is far more comfortable on this surface and his forehand crosscourt seems to have become a real weapon. if he can deal with the external pressure that he is put under at wimbledon, he can be tough to beat. I think this is his slam.


Brando Says:

Fair point kimmi, I would agree that the fact he ha beaten nadal and federer in big matches, rather recently in all, and that he has twice reached the semi final stages at Wimbledon would make him level with Murray, but I still feel Murray has an edge over him on grass even if it for the simple fact that going into this championship he has already had court time and djokovic has not. For both though it is absolutely vital that federer lands in nadal’s half of the draw since I for one cannot see either one of them beating both nadal and federer to win the title.


Kimmi Says:

Yap, the draw is very important. Is it coming out tomorrow?


Brando Says:

Yes it is. I think the most intriguing element shall be who gets federer for the semi and roddick for the quarters- without dispute the 2 most dangerous opponents at such a stage. Who gets del potro may not matter as much at wimby as it would elsewhere considering his history on grass and his showing at queens.


sar Says:

Murray will be on Novak’s side.


Kimmi Says:

ha-ha very funny. few months ago federer could not do anything against nole. suddenly after RG, no one wants federer.

Great to see rog a force again. I hope he wins this year wimbledon. go rog!!


Brando Says:

I also feel Murray will be on novak’s side. Past 3 wimbledon’s have seen seed 1 draw seed 3. It may mean to be nothing of significance as it is a random draw but the trend is enough for myself to see nadal being given federer as a semi final opponent. I feel that would be a bad thing For the fans if the possibility of a nadal- federer wimbledon final would not exist based on the draw.


Eric Says:

“ha-ha very funny. few months ago federer could not do anything against nole. suddenly after RG, no one wants federer.”

Well this is the way the human mind works. Djokovic loses one match and then pulls from Queens, and suddenly it’s like he never existed, it’s all about Roger and Rafa. And Murray, just because he played Queens while Nole and Roger rested…


Kimmi Says:

sad for which fans brando? maybe rafa fans who wants a fedal final. I personally wants roger/rafa semi and i am a big roger fan.


Kimmi Says:

exactly eric, djokovic is still a man of the year imo. clay, grass, hardcourt its all tennis.

he gets to the final he is numero uno. rafa does not reach the final, nole is numero uno. too many chances!


Kimmi Says:

actually rafa has to win wimbeldon to keep his number one ranking


Kimberly Says:

don’t forget to register for wimbledon draw challenge, mens and ladies links above.


Brando Says:

Fair point. But if one looks at federer’s last 3 slam performances you would see that he had his best ever FO- except for 2009 when he won ofcourse- semi final at us open where he had match point against djokovic and should have won, and then semi’s again at the Aussie open where he lost to a onfire djokovic on his best surface. When you consider this and federer’s pedigree on grass- why on earth would anyone feel federer isn’t still a MAJOR force in tennis?


Kimberly Says:

IF, the draw is rigged, in this instance I would imagine it would be done to give Andy Murray the best shot of winning the tournament. If this is so look for Murray to play Ferrer in the quarters, djokovic in the semis, and Fedal in the final (or someone else). Murray is 0-2 against Nadal on grass and I don’t believe has played Fed. but Fed is the 6 time champion. They would keep him as far away from Fedal as possible and even though Novak is hot, the riggers would consider him the easier opponent on grass.


Kimberly Says:

and it would be rigged to sell tickets=Murray in finals.


Kimmi Says:

no rigging kimberly


Brando Says:

Kimmi, as a rafa fan of course I would want rafa to maintain his number 1 ranking and therefore trust federer to stop djokovic from reaching the final than Murray. Yet if novak doesn’t get number 1 now i feel he shall do so at some other point since he is to good not to do so and absolutely deserves to considering what he has done this year. however, I feel right for nadal it is about grand slams as opposed to the number one ranking, since ultimately he shall be judged on the number of GS he has than his ranking, and therefore facing federer in final would be better than in a semi final.


Kimmi Says:

brando – every tom, dick and harry have their preference. let see what happens tomorrow. if my prayers are answered then it is a fedal semi.


Brando Says:

Kimberly, fear not, the draw is not rigged it’s just that there is a trend in the way draw plays out that’s all. For example, how many FO in a row have seed 1 drawn seed 4 for the semi final and seed 2 drawn seed 3? This has been the case since at least 2007 till date, and I am sure there have been similar trends at US/Aussie open.


Brando Says:

Kimmi, I feel your prayers most likely shall be answered. I dread that rafa shall get both fed and roddick, whereas djokovic shall get Murray and soderling. Hopefully, if rafa gets federer for semi he shall have ferrer in quarters. And for fed fans, I feel it shall be a rematch with berdych in quarters.


marrisv Says:

Isner, Karlovic, Raonic are three dangerous early round floaters and where they fall in the draw will be interesting…


Kimberly Says:

I think Berdych and soderling are the most dangerous QF opponents. Ferrer the easiest. Roddick you never know, could be the hardest or the easiest. Other than soderling I don’t think any of the other three are certain to show at their quarter final appointment.

Nadal had a tough Paris draw with inner first round and then soderling, Murray and fed. Davydenko eased it up a little bit by crashing out though,

The fans of whoever gets delpo are going to complain but I think it’s a red herring. Cant see delpo beating a top tenner on grass at this time.


Eric Says:

I doubt Ferrer will make it to his QF; he’s never been past the fourth round (and to it just once in recent years).

Delpo has never yet been good on grass, so I agree with you, Kimberly.


Kimmi Says:

i don’t want berdych for fed..he is a bad matchup. he hasnt played well for a while though. but i think if he sees fed on his qtr, ne will get there.

soderling, ferrer, roddick etc they are all good fed draw.

delpo is an enigma on grass. I agree that he does not have the results but we all know he is a champ. with great mental attitude. I would worry about delpo anytime. I like him a lot though. if he can beat a top player!!! I say get got them delpo.


Brando Says:

Ferrer would be jackpot for any of the top 4. Berdych, if he gets federer, will not beat fed this time due to last year. If he gets rafa he usually loses fairly easily. He might cause djokovic or Murray a problem or two. Soderling, I feel all of the the top4 can handle his game and shall not be greatly unnerved by him- certainly not federer or Murray, rafa seems to have his number in GS post RG 2009 and djokovic of 2011 should handle him fairly comfortably. Roddick, due to his history at wimbldon has to be the most dangerous one for the top4-except for federer- as he can beat them IF he is fit and firing by the it is the quater finals


Kimmi Says:

has borg ever got his predictions correct? he is picking federer this time..


Kimberly Says:

My Opinion:

Nadals worst draw would be 4th Round Fish, QF Soderling, Semi-I can’t say, prob Fed but Murray is tough too

Feds worst draw would have Berdych, prob Nadal but Djoko is really tough so I don’t know how much he would care about the semi.

Djokos worst draw would have Roddick, Federer.

Murray’s worst draw would have himself imploding. Actaully probably Fish and Soderling and Nadal. I know he lost to Fish a bunch of times last year.

Roddicks worst draw is anything with Federer near him. Ditto Soderling.

Berdych prob doesnt want to go near Rafa.

Ferrer won’t make the quarters so it is irrelevant.


marrisv Says:

I think this will be the year Nadal gets to open Monday first on Centre as the defending men’s champion usually gets to do it at Wimby…


Kimberly Says:

kimmi-Borg picked Nadal in 2008 I remember. I don’t know about his other picks. Listen to Johnnie Mac. He’s usually right. Andre Agassi is always wrong.


Kimberly Says:

oh boy, the anxiety is starting, the bookies are calling Sharapova the favorite? Could they be right???!!!!! She didn’t play the grass court tournament. It goes Sharapova, Williams (s), Li Na, Williams (v), Kvitova and then Woz.

Nadal and Fed are pretty much co-favs with Djoko a little behind and Murray a distant fourth. After that the odds on all the others are really long.


jamie Says:

The SF at Wimbledon will be:

Nadal – Federer

Djokovic – Murray

Take it to the bank. Last 3 years #1 seed played #3 seed in the SF.


Brando Says:

By the way, for djokovic fans, he’s beaten Simon (15 th seed at wimby) 6-1 6-2, in an exhibition match. Said that he is ” very happy with his prepartion and wants to win Wimbledon more than any other tournament”.


Kimmi Says:

kimberly – sharapova the fav at wimbldon? oh boy!! i would put serena above her. what i know is, if i was betting..i wouldnt put my money on her.

hoping roger carries on with his great serve. its about time he wins another big one.


Kimmi Says:

good news for nole brando. i want him to get to the semi. murray, federer and nadal too.

another top 4 semi..bring it on. hopefully we get nole vs djoko, nadal vs fed! perfect wimbledon!!


Kimmi Says:

i meant nole vs muzza


Brando Says:

Kimmi, yep that would be very entertaining if it happens. Right now I have to agree with Bjorn Borg who recently said that ‘this’ is quite possibly the golden age in mens tennis when considering the quality of the top 4. And when you consider that hopefully del potro, fitness and form permitting, could make it a top 5 then i think it would undeniably be a golden age.


Kimberly Says:

kimmi-I would NOT put my money on any of the women with any confidence!

Nor would I bet on the Men’s at this point as I think any of the big 4 can take it. But I think the big four are all reasonable bets. On the women, your favorites could all lose before the quarters! Every single one of them!

All my sporting teams and people have just down so horrbily lately, Rafa at Roland Garros was the only one who didn’t let me down. The Florida Marlins may be the worst team to ever play baseball. Believe it or not I took the Sharapova loss worse than the Heat.

I overheard someone at the tennis court today on the next court saying he used to live in VC and it is a very heavy drinking town and that’s why they had the riots? ColinO6 watched the highlights of the riots on ESPN.com, his favorite website as is proud to say he never had a tantrum that bad over a loss.


Kimmi Says:

the women side is very open. who will come through? i still put my money on serena, even though she is rusty, lost to vera yesterday, i still see her doing well at wimbledon.

Petra Kvitova my new fav. if only she can be a little consistent..she is playing hantuchova tomorrow. go petra.

Azarenka retired AGAIN today. aaaargh, this girl has more retirement than any player(man or woman) to play this game.


jane Says:

Kimmi, thanks for posting that cover with Nole on it. He is holding his girlfriend Jelena’s dog “Pierre” that he bought for her as a gift a while back. :)


jane Says:

True about Vika: I think she has more than ten already this year! She is injury prone, though.


Kimberly Says:

She retired against serena in ao 09. When she had serena on the ropes and passed out at USO 2010. I don’t think she handles the heat well.


Kimberly Says:

I think Venus is a real dark horse here. If she serves well she’s dangerous. She cranks it in the 120s and no ones getting that back.


Kimmi Says:

you are welcome jane. so it is his dog! i was thinking they gave the dog to him to hold for the photo. Nice dog and nice pic.


mat4 Says:

Hello everybody! I am back and glad to read you.


Eric Says:

Salut, mat4. :) t’es pret pour Wimbledon?


Huh Says:

The best n sweetest thing’ll b roddick/muzza winning wimby, the greatest thing’d be Fed/Rod winning, the most awesom thing’d be nole winning, the unbelievably big thing’d be nadal,, winnin(historic significanc wise, a la fed winning it for 7th time), the craziest thing’ll be jmdp winning
:D


jane Says:

Hi mat4.

Great post huh! :)


Dory Says:

GO DJOKO! GO ROGER!!!!!!!!


Dory Says:

I would cry, scream and go mad with excitement if the final is Djoko vs Federer. Of course, the draw would have to come out favorably for that to happen.


tfouto Says:

10:02: Murray in Djokovic’s half of the draw, Roger and Rafa together Andy Murray is in the bottom half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Novak Djokovic. Roger Federer is in the top half – the Rafa Nadal half!

the draw listen to you Dory…

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/log/index.html


Mg Mg Says:

Oh My… Isner and Nicolas Mahut again :D


Mg Mg Says:

I think Rafa and Andy are in the top half.
Roger and Novak are in the bottom half.


Mg Mg Says:

Murray and Roddick in the same quarter.


tfouto Says:

that’s not what’s on the wimbledon site… it say Murray is on Djoko half of the draw…


Mg Mg Says:

I am also listening to the wimbledon radio live :)


mat4 Says:

@Jane, Eric:

Unfortunately, I still don’t know if I will have to go to work in the next few days. If I have, it usually means not internet and no tennis.

Just listen a bit radio Wimbledon, the draw: fixed for the 14th time. Isner-Mahut in the first round…


tfouto Says:

well i am confused… BBC says Murray plays SF against Nadal and Wimbledon says Federer-Nadal SF.


madmax Says:

**********10:02: Murray in Djokovic’s half of the draw, Roger and Rafa together Andy Murray is in the bottom half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Novak Djokovic. Roger Federer is in the top half – the Rafa Nadal half!****************

10:22: Florian Mayer (No.20) faces Brit wild card Dan Evans. Then it’s Malisse – Zverev, Gulbis – Tursunov (ooh!), Melzer (No.11) – Falla. Troicki (No.13) faces Maximo Gonzalez, Lu – Robredo, Mello – Q and Llodra (No.19) faces James Ward, the Brit wild card who made it to the semis of Queen’s.10:21: Robin Soderling (No.5) faces Petzschner first up Then it’s Nishikori – Hewitt, Andreev – Gabashvili and Davydenko (No.29) faces a qualifier.

10:20: David Nalbandian faces Julian Reister in the opener, Federer (No.3) faces Kukushkin Then it’s Serra – Haider Maurer, Mannarino – Q and Federer (No.3) faces Kukushkin10:19: Almagro (No.16) faces Nieminen in the first round Then it’s Isner – Mahut, Devvarman – Gremelmayr and Youzhny – Monaco.10:18: Isner and Mahut will face each other again! Can you believe it – the record-breakers have another chance! That’ll be on Court 18!

10:17: Alex Dolgopolov jr. (No.22) faces Fernando Gonzalez in the opener! Then we have Ramirez Hidalgo – Q, Dimitrov – Q and Tsonga (No.12) Q

10:16: Davdi Ferrer (No.7) faces Benoit Paire in the first round Then it’s Dodig – Q, Berlocq – Q and Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (No.26) versus Andrey Golubev.10:15: Bellucci (No.30) faces Schuettler in the first round Lopez – Berrer, Pospisil – Hanescu and Roddick versus a qualifier complete that part of the bracket.

10:14: Monfils (No.9) faces Bachinger in the first round Then it’s Kendrick – Q, Clement (WC) – Q and Tipsarevic (No.23) – Karlovic. Wow – Janko versus Doctor Ivo!10:13: Gasquet (No.17) faces Santiago Giraldo in the first round Then it’s Kunitsyn – Q, Q – Q and Wawrinka (No.14) – Starace. Three qualifiers in that part of the bracket.

10:12: Murray (No.4) plays Gimeno Traver in the opener Kmke – Kavcic is on the next line, so they are Andy’s potential second-round opponents. Stakhovsky-Cox (Brit wild card) and Cilic (No.27) versus Ljubicic is the rest of that bracket. That’s another good first-rounder – Ivan – Marin!

10:11: Chela (No.25) faces a qualifier in the first round On the next line we have Young – Bogomolov. Benneteau – qualifier and Berdych – Volandri make up the rest of that bracket.

10:10: Mardy Fish (No.10) faces Marcel Granollers On the next line it’s Kohlschreiber – Istomin, followed by Haase – Riba and Verdasco (No.21) – Stepanek. Blimey, FeVer versus Steps in the first round!

10:09: Del Potro gets a qualifier in the first round Rochus also gets a qualifier, Gil plays Sela and Gilles Simon (15) faces another qualifier. That’s the second bracket

10:08: Nadal to play Michael Russell in the first round Andujar – Sweeting will be Rafa’s next opponents if he wins. Then it’s Muller -Haas and Fognini – Raonic (31) in the part of the bracket.
——————————————————————————–
10:04:

Roddick, Berdych, Monfils in the bottom half Seeds 4, 5, 8 and 9 are down the bottom with Nole.

10:02: Murray in Djokovic’s half of the draw, Roger and Rafa together Andy Murray is in the bottom half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Novak Djokovic. Roger Federer is in the top half – the Rafa Nadal half!

10:01: Here we go AELTC Chief Executive Ian Ritchie and Wimbledon Referee Andrew Jarrett have got proceedings under way.


Nims Says:

10:02: Murray in Djokovic’s half of the draw, Roger and Rafa together Andy Murray is in the bottom half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Novak Djokovic. Roger Federer is in the top half – the Rafa Nadal half!

–This is from Wimbledon page


tfouto Says:

i suppose Wimbledon info is correct. BBC just edited the page and removed the SF’s potential games…


tfouto Says:

“Fourth seed Andy Murray will open his campaign against world number 56 Daniel Gimeno-Traver. The Scot has won both of his previous two meetings with Spaniard Gimeno-Traver.

Murray faces a potential quarter-final clash against American Andy Roddick before coming up against top seed and defending champion Rafael Nadal in the semi-finals if the seedings play out. Nadal beat Murray in straight sets in the last four 12 months ago.

French Open champion Nadal will open his account against American Michael Russell.

Second seed Novak Djokovic, who has lost just the one match so far this year, in the French Open semi-finals, will take on Frenchman Jeremy Chardy in the opening round while Roger Federer was drawn against Kazakhstan’s Mikhail Kukushkin.”

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/17062011/58/wimbledon-mahut-gets-isner-re-match-wimbledon.html

here also says Murray-Nadal and Federer-Djokovic


mat4 Says:

I have just listen to radio Wimbledon, and – although I maybe didn’t understand – I remember to have heard that Rafa was with AM, and Roger with Djoko.


Mg Mg Says:

Potential Quarters Matchup

Murray vs Roddick
(wawrinka)

Roger vs Ferrer
(nalbandian, Tsonga)


tfouto Says:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/06/Features/Wimbledon-Draw-Announced.aspx

“The Spaniard has been drawn in the same half of the draw at fourth seed Andy Murray, the British favourite and semi-finalist the past two years. Murray will face Daniel Gimeno-Traver of Spain.

Second seed Novak Djokovic, who saw his 41-0 unbeaten start to the year come to an end against Roger Federer in the Roland Garrossemi-finals, will begin his quest for a third major championship against France’s Jeremy Chardy.”


tfouto Says:

that’s too bad if Federer plays against Djokovic again… its 4th in a row the play in SF on a GS.


mat4 Says:

I am confused. On one site, it’s Roger-Rafa, on another, Roger-Djoko.


tfouto Says:

its probably a mistake on the wimbledon site…

On ATP official site, Eurosport, Wimbledon Radio Murray plays Nadal on SF.

Only on Wimbledon site (text) Federer is on Djokovic half.


Colin Says:

Did you notice that Isner’s first match is against Mahut? Maybe this time it’ll last the entire two weeks!


mat4 Says:

@tfouto: If Djoko is playing Roger, it will be the 13th time of the last 14.


Maso Says:

Mahut – Isner in the first round… Is that really random or are they setting up the draw as they please?


tfouto Says:

maybe that’s not totally random after all. Too much coincidences…


mat4 Says:

@tfouto: That’s not random of course. The Fedal final is always protected, except once, in 2009 at Roland Garros. On clay, the semi is always but once Rafa-Djoko, and on other surfaces Roger-Djoko since 2007.


Maso Says:

Getting a bit sick of Fed and Djoko ALWAYS being on the same side of the draw as well. My two favorite players always meeting up in a semi instead of a final is starting to get really frustrating.


mat4 Says:

This year, of course, the semi Rafa-Djoko was impossible.


scoreboard66 Says:

No, not another Isner-Mahut ordeal. I that a tie-break should be considered after 20-20.

Murray and Nadal in the same half, but Murray could meet Wawrinka. The last time those 2 played it was a 5 setter.


Queen Mirka Says:

Nadal’s draw is a tough one. He has to face Del Potro, Berdych and Murray.


scineram Says:

FEDAL semifinal, hell yes!!

How long have I been waiting for this. Kudos for All England Lawn Tennis Club for proving they do not rig the damn draws.


mat4 Says:

ATP

Top seed Rafael Nadal, the 2008 and 2010 champion, has been drawn to meet American Michael Russell in the first round of The Championships at Wimbledon.

Nadal has a 29-4 record at the All England Club and will be looking to win his 11th Grand Slam championship.

The Spaniard has been drawn in the same half of the draw at fourth seed Andy Murray, the British favourite and semi-finalist the past two years. Murray will face Daniel Gimeno-Traver of Spain.


scineram Says:

I was reading AP at tennis.com. It said Murray-Đokovic semifinal draw. What is going on here?


scoreboard66 Says:

I think the news reporting on the different websites is a bit muddled. Perhaps, we’ll know with certainty who’s in which section.


tfouto Says:

Actually all sites are saying Nadal-Murray and Federer-Djokovic. Only the wimbledon live text said Nadal Vs Federer on SF, but that was probably a mistake…

AP at tennis.com is saying a possible Federer-Nadal final.


mat4 Says:

Wimbledon live blog:

10:02: Murray in Djokovic’s half of the draw, Roger and Rafa together Andy Murray is in the bottom half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Novak Djokovic. Roger Federer is in the top half – the Rafa Nadal half!


tfouto Says:

@mat4 that live blog text is probably a mistake… its the only place where Djokovic is on Murray half… when living blog people are more prone to errors…


Kimmi Says:

YEAH, MY PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED FEDAL SEMI..Yeah baby. Go Muzza, go djoko to the final. go federer!


tfouto Says:

kimmi… not really FEDAL final… FEDDJO SF


Kimmi Says:

what, i am getting confused tfouto..I wrote FEDAL semi. I though fed is in rafa half?


mat4 Says:

@tfouto: Yes, I see that all the sites with АМ-Djoko changed their news. I was quite confused, because I listened to the Wimbledon radio, and they mentioned Rafa-AM, Roger-Djoko.

My theory is: 1. the draw is fixed; 2. the real draw was Rafa-Roger, and the writer of the blog forget to change it to Roger-Djoko…

We are now at 1:4096. Hopefully, this time, both Roger and Rafa will lose early. It is not that I have something against them (I like to watch Roger playing), but I wouldn’t like tennis to become a sport like catch. And I feel that the first step is already done.


tfouto Says:

Well Wimbledon site first said that Murray was on Djokovic half. But then all others sites, and i mean all, said that Federer was on Djokovic half…. So i guess the Wimbledon site was wrong…


Kimmi Says:

mat4, I am a fed fan, i want roger to win a GS again. but I also want djoko or muzza in the final.
So we have different reasons..

I have to wait for wimbledon to post it. I am confused.


mat4 Says:

L’Equipe first wrote Djoko-AM; tennis.com too, but they changed.

And now, the Wimbledon blog:

10:02: Murray in Nadal’s half of the draw, Roger and Nole together Andy Murray is in the top half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Rafael Nadal. Roger Federer is in the bottom half – the Novak Djokovic half! A repeat of the French Open, in fact.


tfouto Says:

kimmi, no need to be confused…

Eurosport, BBC Sport, ATP oficial site, AP, tennis.com all are saying Federer-Djokovic and Murray-Nadal SF. So that’s what’s how’s the draw is build.


Kimmi Says:

Same as French Open..Hope we get a different result.


Kimmi Says:

ah, nadal fans will be happy coz they are hoping for fed to take out djoko and nadal to beat fed in the final..ah! same as RG :(


Brando Says:

Wow!!! Fed- rafa and Murray- djokovic as the semis ( according to BBC, daily telegraph, google, and a few other sources). I am not surprised- let’s face it in terms of the tv audience worldwide nadal- federer is still the biggest possible match at Wimbledon, and that not being a possibility is not somethig anyone on the wimby committee would have wanted. Sayin that I am not suggesting a fix or anything. Early thoughts: quarter final onwards Murray/ djokovic have te toughest route with nadal/ federer the easiest. Rafa has got raonic, del potro as early possible opponents but berdych in the quarters, whilst Murray got roddick and djokovic drawn soda for quarters


mat4 Says:

@Kimmi:

I like Roger’s game too, and it isn’t what bothers me. In the last 14 slams the Fedal final has always been protected (except once) one way or another.

What would have happen if Roger had to play Andy Murray in every semi he played in the last few years? Or Rafa to play Novak regularly in the semi? In 2008, we would most probably have had a Murray-Djokovic final at the USO… Tennis history would be quite different. Sampras could perhaps remained the goat.

Just look at this year: imagine a semi Murray-Federer, Nadal-Djokovic – a final Murray-Djokovic is much more probable than after a semi Murray-Nadal, Federer-Djokovic.


Brando Says:

Mat4 agreed but do you know federer’s record against murray in GS? It’s 2-0 in federer’s favour and what about nadal against djokovic? It’s 5-0 in nadal’s favour. So let’s not immediately assume anything how if draws were to be different then the outcome would also cetainly be different. If anything, if djokovic and Murray are good enough- and I believe that they think that they are, rightly so in my opinion- the draw would not be a major issue as Murray has won against nadal in GS play as has djokovic against federer.


Dory Says:

I am extremely pissed off right now. When was the last time Nadal had to defeat both Djokovic and Federer in a Grand Slam?


Kimmi Says:

the problem is that mat4, federer is playing good again. He lost to djokovic in few slams. I actually did not give him a chance against djoko at RG.
Lets face it, he hasn’t reached a final since he lost to soderling at RG last year.

His performance at RG makes him a contender again. I hope he is still playing well. for me what he needs to do is beat rafa in the final if they get there ofcourse.

But, c’mon Muzza. cant cheer for djoko too much now as he is in fed half.


dari Says:

A big WHATEVER to that draw. Isner-Mahut, really guys? And some back and forth as far as fedal semi or final? What went wrong there? Ah well, then if they both get to the final, roger will just have to beat Rafa this time!


Brando Says:

Dory, FO 2010 but both fed and nole fell at quarter final stages. Last time he beat both to win a GS was FO 2008.


Dory Says:

I believe it was the 2007 French Open when Nadal last had to defeat both Djoko and Federer.


mat4 Says:

@Brando:

If you look at those Rafa wins against Djoko, the only relevant is last year at the USO. Andy vs Roger is even less relevant.

We have seen that a bit of confidence can change a lot of things: Rafa never lost a final against Djokovic, then he lost four in a row. He never lost on clay against Djoko: then he lost twice.

On the other side, this year at the AO, Rafa had the easiest draw ever, but he didn’t make the semi… so, yes, it could have been different, but it doesn’t have to be different.

But, having in mind that Murray has a game that doesn’t fit Roger’s, Roger an anti-Djoko game, Rafa an anti-Roger game, and Djoko an anti-Rafa game, the draw is always protecting a fedal final, and, lately, Rafa, since he beats Roger 3 times in 4.

Fixing the draw is not always doing much, but the differences between the top players are so tiny, anyway.


El Flaco Says:

OMG!!!! Is this some kind of a sick joke? Isner and Mahut play in the 1st round again. They just had last year’s match on ESPN classic the other day from 9pm-6am.


Dory Says:

Sorry typo 2008 FO not 2007. Oops Brando beat me to it.


Dory Says:

At FO, I was totally mocking the idea that GS draws are fixed, but I am now TOTALLY convinced that this draw is fixed.


madmax Says:

madmax Says:
**********10:02: Murray in Djokovic’s half of the draw, Roger and Rafa together Andy Murray is in the bottom half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Novak Djokovic. Roger Federer is in the top half – the Rafa Nadal half!****************

Fed is in TOP HALF

NOT

BOTTOM HALF

FED PLAYS NOVAK?

I AM CONFUSED. THIS IS ON THE WIMBLEDON OFFICIAL SITE. HEY, THEY SHOULD KNOW!

Really, it doesn’t matter who plays who, Roger come on! Do it for the fans!


mat4 Says:

@Kimmi: revenge will be sweet… :-)

I managed to watch that match yesterday. Great and very intelligent play from Roger. Novak looked quite stupid, trying to win points on Roger’s FH.

Tomorrow I hope to watch the final. Although I can imagine how Roger lost, I want to see that first set and that set point.


Brando Says:

Mat4, I understand what you are saying. And it is true that confidence can change things, and that is something that people overlook in the recent nadal- djokovic matches. FACT is djokovic beating nadal in a final had to happen at some stage- he’s too good to not win at some stage- for him to beat nadal at IW and Miami no major surprise as he is the better hardcourt player, had a winning hardcourt head to head against rafa prior to those matches. To rafa’s credit he took both matches to 3 sets and in the second one was 2 points away from a straight sets win. As for the clay, the madrid loss was not a surprise either considering their last match there when djokovic had MP and should have won. The match that, as a nadal fan was worrying, was the straight sets defeat at Rome where it was obvious that rafa lacked confidence against djokovic as well. Ad ideas.


Kimberly Says:

Nadal did draw Raonic and Berdych, not all smooth sailing.

Fed has Ferrer, who prob won’t even get there.


Kimberly Says:

WHAT!!!! Isner/Mahut again? Now I’m going back to the draw is fixed to sel tickets.

My initial thought, while some people say draw is rigged to protect Fedal, was that if was rigged it would to be to protect Murray as he is the hometown sweetheart and will sell the most tickets. HOWEVER, it doesn’t seem so. Murrays draw is not total cupcake (like FO), but not awful.

But Isner Mahut, sorry this clearly seems like a way to sell tix, get interest etc. how is that possible. What are the odds on that. And speaking of odds, there was a betting line open last night I saw, on whether Isner will play Mahut at any time in the tournament.


Dory Says:

The only good thing is the Nadal slayer, JMDP will meet Nadal in 4th round!


Kimberly Says:

Sharpova drew Woz in the quarters, Serena or Na Li in the semis.
Oudin and Ivanovic first round. Venus down in the Zvonerva section.


dari Says:

Ladies 2nd quarter is pretty stacked, serena, li na, AI, bartoli.
But for top quarter, Maria’s way doesn’t look TOO bad- wozniack is there, but that should be no prob on grass, stosur there, too, but she is so touch and go.
BTW, Jisner in fed’s qtr, something to worry about?


Brando Says:

JMDP: best result at wimbledon is second round,reached third/ fourth round at queens, FO was 3rd round exit, only match against nadal this year was at IW which was a straight sets defeat on a hardcourt for him. Don’t think he is as dangerous as raonic for nadal.


Dory Says:

Pablo Andújar will get a chance to choke against Nadal once more.


Kimberly Says:

Looking at it at first I thought Nadal and Djoko had the more difficult draws with Nadal’s the toughest probably.


Queen Mirka Says:

Nadal may go out in the first 3 rounds. Federer all the way!


tfouto Says:

Nadal plays with Raonic then with Del Potro…

Would be nice to see Nadal-Del Potro if Del Potro wins Simon…


Brando Says:

Yep, raonic seems very, very dangerous to me. Big server, quarter finalist at Halle, reached the final in the doubles there (did he win?). He is a player that nadal himself said shall be top 10 very soon and at round 3 is a extremely dangerous opponent for rafa. Can he lose at that stage? Very much so.


tfouto Says:

Del Potro is way more dangerous then Raonic to Nadal…


tfouto Says:

Quarter finalist at Halle dont me impress at all…


jane Says:

Seriously, just ONCE could we have different projected slam semis? It seems like it is always Nole-Fed and Rafa-Murray.

And Mahut v Isner? No thanks. : /


mat4 Says:

I don’t see why JMDP wouldn’t play well on grass, especially on later stages of the tournament. Does anybody know if the grass at the Queens is the same as the grass at WB?

It seems the big servers are evenly disposed in the draw: Raonic for Rafa, Ivo (ARod) for AM, Anderson for Djoko, Isner for RF. (BTW, the draw is not fixed…:-)


mat4 Says:

@Hello, Jane! Nice to read you.


mat4 Says:

@Jane,

btw, I finally found a good tennis blog from a Nole fan: http://letsecondserve.blogspot.com/

I couldn’t believe it!


Brando Says:

Raonic is more dangerous since he has achieved more than JMDP on grass- doesn’t make him a better player of course but surely a more dangerous prospect. And at the very least rafa has to face him before del potro and that is reason enough to see him as a greater concern


El Flaco Says:

Up to this point grass has been Isner’s worst surface. He only has 2 career wins, 1 at Wimbledon and another at one of the 250 events. Fabio Fognini has better results on grass. While Isner is dangerous because of his serve he could also lose to just about anyone because his return game has been horrible. I do hope that he can solve the grass puzzle this year and win a few rounds.


mat4 Says:

About fan blogs:

for me, the best blog by a Fed fan is Ruans. He’s writing really well.

Clare has his Rafa news and Nole news, with a lot of pictures and short news.

Greg Couch has a tennis blog, and he is a big Rafa fan.

French language: the site 15love is for Fed fans, with a lot of great articles. Rafa, Nole and Andy are ominously hated.


jane Says:

Thanks mat4! I will check it out. :)


jane Says:

Oh those tweets between Murray, Nole, Bryan Bros and Serena are great! Well bookmark the link mat4


dari Says:

I don’t know if that post was an answer to me, El Flaco, but i didn’t know Isner only had 2 grass wins! Thx for info. Ok, so tsonga is the biggest prob for roger then?
Rafa has some guys that in theory could be tuff. Theory does not usually apply to Rafa, though.
Early for Djokovic doesn’t look so bad unless KA decides to do something crazy on grass, and I regret that soda and petzschner are round 1, ditto for cilic and ljub!
As for muzz, who wants to see a-rod and ivo in their qtr on grass?! We all know what he did to roddick last week, and I know nothing of h2h with Ivo. I just think he can handle it this year though, so I don’t feel to worried.


dari Says:

This is gonna be a fun bracket!


Eric Says:

Why aren’t qualifiers equally (fairly) distributed throughout the draw? Section 5 (the source for Fed’s QF opponent), section 7 only has one…

The rest of this post is too long, don’t read…

Fed and Nole have draws of about the same strength; Roger’s maybe a bit stronger…

Kukushkin, first round for Roger, is pretty good; Nole has Chardy, who is probably a bit weaker, but has played well recently, I believe. Then Mannarino and Anderson, respectively, who are both very good but don’t really seem like upset threats, exactly. Then for Roger it’s Nalbandian and Nole has Baghdatis or just maybe James Blake (?? lol) or Seppi. Nalby actually likely to be stiffer opposition than Marco. Then finally a fourth round against Youzhny or Isner for Roger, Troicki or Llodra (or, J Ward?? or Lu? hmm…) for Nole.

And in the interesting rounds, Roger has Tsonga, Dimitrov, Dodig, or one of the 5 quailies in that section for a QF, while Nole has drawn Soderling (or, less likely, Melzer; even less likely, Petzschner, Hewitt, … maybe even Nishikori).

Compare this against Rafa’s snore draw of Michael Russell (geriatric American), Sweeting (toddler American), Raonic (okay, this could be big trouble, but I doubt it… Petzschner didn’t have that much trouble with him at Halle), and then maybe Delpo (sucks on grass), Rochus (geriatric Belgian), Sela or Simon (not exactly Rafa threats on grass, are they?) or one of a million qualies in his eighth… And then his QF section is packed with good grass players – Berdych, Fish, Kohls, Haase even, Steps,… – which nicely ensures that whoever he plays will be too tired to do anything. Murray’s draw is even more of a cakewalk until the QF stage when it suddenly becomes a monster.


Eric Says:

“Murray’s draw is even more of a cakewalk until the QF stage when it suddenly becomes a monster.”

Actually, I take that back. Gasquet could be major trouble for him in the fourth round if he plays his best, but he’s been out of the action for a few weeks, hasn’t he? So it’s hard to say.

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