Djokovic Blown Out On Bad Day For Serbia At ATP Finals; Nadal, Tsonga Eye SF
by Sean Randall | November 24th, 2011, 12:13 am
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On the bright side there were a record two Serbians playing on the same day at the elite ATP Finals in London. Too bad they both lost.

Andy Murray’s stand-in Janko Tipsarevic was up first, and despite a valiant effort the undersized Tipsarevic came up just inches short of pulling off huge a victory over Tomas Berdych.

In the end it was Berdych in a thriller 2-6, 6-3, 7-6(6).

Tipsarevic held a match point on his serve at 6-5 in that final set breaker but pushed a volley that landed out just by inches. Janko followed up by double faulting giving Berdych matchpoint which he secured when his opponent slipped and fell.

“If I have [that] chance one more time, I would still take that ball early and go to the net and play the volley,” admitted Tipsarevic. “So I am not honestly at all disappointed because of the way I played on the match point.

“I am [annoyed] about myself that I managed to make my first double fault at 6 all in the tie-break and that I completely managed to put Berdych back in the match. He wasn’t playing great at the beginning, maybe because of the influence and lack of confidence that he got from losing to Djokovic with the match point up.”

For Berdych, it was a nice turnaround from losing to Janko’s countryman, Novak Djokovic, in a third set breaker on Monday.

“I was a bit unlucky on Monday,” said Berdych. “I got luckier here. So one-all. Before the tie-break, I was feeling pretty good, I would say pretty confident. [The] last few games that I was serving was kind of quick [and] easy. But as long the tie-break went, it was really close.”

In the late match, it was a second shocker in as many days as top seed Djokovic win dusted by David Ferrer 6-3, 6-1. The match really wasn’t even that close as the wall-like Ferrer simply dominated a lackluster Djokovic.

“All the credit to [Ferrer], he played great match,” said Djokovic. “It was the worst match I’ve played this season so far definitely. So many unforced errors. I’m not playing well – that’s a fact.

“At this level you know that you have to deliver your best tennis. I wasn’t on my best in the first match [against Tomas Berdych], but I managed to kind of get into the rhythm in the second set. This match, I have no words to explain. Nothing was going really [for me]. Nothing was going well.”

No Novak, you are not well playing well. You really haven’t since the US Open and bad shoulder or not, I have to wonder if your magical hot streak is officially over. That is, forget repeating what you did this year in 2012.

Ferrer’s win puts him into the semifinals on Saturday. And he’s now easily beaten Murray and Djokovic on a court few thought he would succeed on. You have to give the guy credit.

“I am very motivated,” said Ferrer. “I am in the semi-finals. I want to enjoy this moment. I don’t want to think about the semi-final on Saturday.

“I think maybe today was my best match of the season. I felt good before the match. Maybe the key was in my serve. The last times against Nole, I haven’t served really good.”

So Djokovic plays his worst match of the season, Ferrer his best? Can it be that simple?

The loss for Novak also puts his semifinal bid out of his hands. He must beat his buddy Tipsarevic on Friday and hope either Berdych loses or Berdych loses a greater number of sets than Djokovic.

And for those of us hoping for a Federer-Djokovic final, that’s over. Federer has already won his group while the best Djokovic can do is finish second in his. So Federer would play Djokovic if Novak makes the semifinals.

Speaking of Federer, tomorrow he’ll play Mardy Fish. While Federer’s semifinal spot is assured he’ll need the extra ranking points a win over Fish would give him to pass Murray for the No. 3 ranking on Sunday before the final. Of course he could lose to Fish, then win the title and pass Murray as well.

In the significant match, JW Tsonga faces Rafael Nadal with a winner-take-all semifinal spot on the line. And with David Ferrer the likely opponent on Saturday what a opportunity!

Given the way Nadal’s played, the surface and what’s ahead – the Davis Cup final – I think Tsonga finishes Nadal’s hopes. Nadal barely beat Fish on Sunday, then got wiped clean by Federer on Tuesday. I know he’ll want to put on a better show tomorrow and he leads the Frenchman 6-2, but I think Tsonga is just the better player right now. He played well against Federer in his opener and then handily took care of business with Fish.

“I know him, he knows me,” assessed Nadal of JW. “We played a lot of matches against each other. He’s an explosive player, an aggressive one. I know that I have to play aggressive, I have to play long. If I play short, will be very difficult. I have to be solid with my serve. If not, is impossible, because to have breaks against him is always a really difficult thing.”

Tennis Channel’s singles coverage starts at 9am ET with Federer-Fish. First ball of Tsonga-Nadal is at 3pm ET.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!


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153 Comments for Djokovic Blown Out On Bad Day For Serbia At ATP Finals; Nadal, Tsonga Eye SF

Michael Says:

I just cannot imagine that Djokovic will play so badly to lose. The frequent shoulder problem and subsequent rest have played spoilsport to his dream run. It is sad, but nothing is permanent. Even now it is not all over for Novak and he can spring a surprise. But it seems a tall order considering his current form. I am sure he will beat Tipsaveric but he will be safe only if Ferrer manages to beat Berdych. I hope it is so for I am anticipating a Federer-Djokovic clash in the semis. As regards Nadal’s chances against Tsonga I would call it 55:45 in favour of Rafa. Now that Djokovic is out of his way, Nadal might get extra motivation to move on in the tournament and this might work. But in the end it will all boil down to the form Tsonga is in. Let us hope the best wins this Tournament and so far the best is ROGER FEDERER.


Michael Says:

Has too much success gone into Novak’s head ???? He should maintain the strict regime of work outs, dedication and motivation that have brought him to where he is today. He has many things to prove to the World ? He is young and so has all the time in the world to turn his dreams into reality.


Ben Pronin Says:

You just know Sean’s been waiting for Djokovic to fall off the high horse since the beginning of the year. Hah.

Seriously though, are we really writing him off this fast? When will we ever learn?


Michael Says:

Ben, I am not writing Djokovic off. He is too good a player. I never expected such a humiliating defeat against Ferrer where Novak is expected to beat him 10 out of 10 especially in a hard court. But as Federer always says “it happens in tennis” and so this has happened. Now, it is time for Djokovic to come out of the woods and show to the World his real power. What he really needs is more match practice. He can still make it for sure, I hope ???


scineram Says:

“he’ll need the extra ranking points a win over Fish would give him to pass Murray for the No. 3 ranking on Sunday before the final”

Wtf would he need that?


Lenny Says:

A wee correction, Sean. Berdych’s set/game W-L stat is irrelevant. If the overall matches W-L is the same, Djokovic will come out ahead because the RR H2H is the first tie-breaker.


scineram Says:

Lenny very wrong too. Set winning percentage is first tiebreaker for three way ties.


alison hodge Says:

to be honest i thought both rafa and nole,were both lucky to get through there 1st round matches with wins,both did what great champions do,and found a way through,even when not playing there best,however both live to fight another day,so alls not lost just yet,although both will have to play much better in there next games otherwise they will be out.


alison hodge Says:

i think rafas chances of progressing to the semis is the hardest,jwt has looked very good so far even in the match against fed although he lost he was still impressive,i would give that one as about 50|50,although noles match i would say about 80|20 in favour of nole,although much would depend on t.berds match against ferrer,even then it could all come down to mathamatic possibilities.


Kimmi Says:

OK, here we go. Go Roger!


JD Says:

“That is, forget repeating what you did this year in 2012.”

What a comment from a professional journalist?!
Even if he never wins another match – he will be in tennis record books. Sean, you are such a ‘low life’ beating on people when they are down.


Kimmi Says:

fish hitting to the net a lot


PJ Says:

How is suggesting that Novak won’t have a repeat of this year being a low life? The odds of anyone having one year like this aren’t great. Repeating it sounds crazier. Even if he did just as well in the slams, the lower level success would be difficult to repeat. The idea of a shoulder injury won’t help either.

I don’t think that takes anything away from Novak’s spectacular year. But, when you’re on top, any sign of weakness or decline will lead to speculation. That’s how it seems to work with any sport.


Kimmi Says:

Break and break back. fed didnt serve well in that game. he paid the price. now needs to wake up. c’mon!


Dave B Says:

It was a pleasure watching tiger David help put an end to Novak’s myth of invincibility.. Go David!


Kimmi Says:

hmmm, turning to be a one way traffic at the moment.


Kimmi Says:

fish doing well in this game. wow! another break back?


Kimmi Says:

fed cant find first serves. fish is wasting all the opportunities.


Kimmi Says:

lots of opportunities for fish in this match. if he had take them, it will make huge difference in this match.

fed needs to concentrate now! a little sloppy sometimes.


Kimmi Says:

fish crosscourt FH is lethal. wow, another break chance for fish.

and he breaks.. federer needs to wake up here! concentration is wavering in this match.


Kimmi Says:

WOOO, fish crushing the ball now!


Kimmi Says:

federer making lots of errors today. crunch time now, third set.


racquet Says:

The match just became very interesting. Go Fish!


van orten Says:

Fed was with tiery henry at arsenals match yesterday…ate a greasy sandwich with sausage..


Kimmi Says:

Fish beating federer in the rallied. ah, c`mon fed!


Kimmi Says:

BREAK! c;mon fed! needs to serve well now, fish has been in almost all fed service games.


Kimmi Says:

good game that was. go go go!


Kimmi Says:

one more game. go fed!


van orten Says:

ur commentary :Love it kimmi:-)


Kimmi Says:

HERE AND NOW FED!! Go go go!


Kimmi Says:

van orten, i am glad you are enjoying! two more points. c`moon

match point


Kimmi Says:

PHEW! a little sloppy but good to win when not playing well.

Undefeated in Round robin stage. who does he play in the semi. lets wait and see.

mardy with 0-3 (the whooping boy this year)

ferrer doing extremely well this year.


van orten Says:

Since i couldnt watch it i really enjoyed it


Contemperory Says:

Kimmi, any idea of the winner/UE ratio? I couldnt watch the match


jane Says:

Yeah Kimmi. Love your enthusiasm. Another good win by Fed. Does he now have back #3 ranking, or does he have to defend the title first?

It is difficult to know how to interpret Fed’s form right now: is it a harbinger of things to come, or a repeat of his hot form at last year’s end of season? Or possibly both? On the one hand, he is looking very sharp and he wasn’t far off this year: only Nole stopped him at AO, Dubai, IW, USO, and Rafa at FO, Tsonga at Wiimbledon. Even in Canada and Cincy only Tsonga and Berd stopped him, so all losses seem to have been to top guys. On the other hand, Nole, Rafa and Murray are not at their best now so it is tough to gage Fed’s form relatively, and clearly he is the top indoor player around. Last year, he also put together an amazing run at this time in the season, though he beat Nole to win Basel. I remember when Nole had a blistering end to the season in 2009, winning Bejiing, Basel, and Paris, it didn’t do much for him in 2010, but he was having those service yips until mid year, so without those his good run might have started sooner. Can Fed parlay this form into next year? And will it be enough to catapult him upwards? Win slams? Olympics? Etcetera?

It is tough to know, also, how Rafa, Nole and Murray will come back next year. Nole cannot repeat the tremendous year he had ths year, likely, but if his shoulder is well and he is rested he will be a factor (sorry Sean). Rafa tends to have amazing “even” years, so he will likely be there too: never count him out. Delpo is on the way back, and Murray should be able to build on his most consistent year this year. Tsonga may take this year and get better. And so on.

2012 could be surprising. Looking forward to seeing what happens.

DC finals might be interesting too. Ferrer might be worn out (though unlikely) or his confidence might be skyhigh. Rafa should be great on clay in Spain. But no doubt Nalby, Delpo and Monaco are all getting ready now.


Contemperory Says:

Fed needs to win the semi final inorder to secure #3.

Fed’s this way of playing has been the order of his game for the past couple of years. Apart from the top guys, he was beat by Melzer in clay.

But, it is fair enough to say that his game is still good enough to beat opponents outside the top 10 bracket on any surface. And, I think he has a 75% chance of winning if he plays an opponent between 5-10 on non-indoor surface. With the top 3 guys, lets say a 50% chance on a non-indoor surface (with the exception of Murray on clay where Fed will win for sure)


Kimmi Says:

contemperory – my TV changed program before they show stats. too bad.


Alex Says:

Does anyone know which of the two semis Fed will play in on Sat (mid-day or evening)? Where can I find this info? Thanks.


andrea Says:

nice win for roger. didn’t think it would go to three sets and it was awesome that mardy powered on, obviously relishing his chance to be at the event, beat up or not.

tonight’s match feels like the marquee event – i don’t care who wins tonight, although nadal probably needs it more for his psyche.


Kimmi Says:

contemperory,

attached show the stats from BBC sports page.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/15879725.stm


Kimmi Says:

“I’ve played Mardy a few times and he’s always very dangerous,” said the Swiss legend. “He takes the ball extremely early, serves great and can get on roll. I was worried in the third set.

“I thought I was going to lose today but I’m very happy. It’s been a great run since the US Open – I’ve been all round the world but I’m still going strong. Hopefully I can make it a nice weekend.”
_______________________________________________

I agree with federer, mardy was going for his shots today. especially in the second set. he was hitting clean winners off federer serve, both first and second and they went in. But also I think federer serve was not effective enough.

he served much better in the second set, much closer to the lines. fish could not swing freely like earlier.

Good luck in the semi.


Kimmi Says:

should be “he served much better in the THIRD set…“


Brando Says:

Rafa’s got his work cut out tonight! Tsonga won Vienna, RU at Paris masters, has 5 indoor titles to rafa’s 1, beat fish comfortably and really pushed federer. Tsonga should definately win. Rafa’s ONLY chance is if he serves really well and his groundstrokes are deep- if both are there then he can pull it off. If either one is missing he’ll have an plane afternoon ticket booked to Majorca after the match.


alison hodge Says:

brando im trying to stay positive,but your not making it any easier for me,lol (only joking) i agree unfortunatly,may the best man win,i just hope if rafa does go out,at least he will do it fighting,giving his all,time will tell though i suppose.


Brando Says:

@Alison: lol, sorry! I think it’s just a realistic take on things. Here’s a postive stat for you though: both rafa and jo have played twice on indoors at it’s 2-0 in rafa’s favour :-)


Skorocel Says:

Brando: With your last post, you practically negated all what you said in the penultimate one ;-) Cool down man, Rafa’s not done yet!


van orten Says:

rafa fed and nole are def. not done yet and the ao is a toss up…!!!! as i said before and i said the same last year same time and i was right about 2011: the next season gonna be awesome!!!


marrisv Says:

One of the issue for tsonga in this matchup with Rafa is his two handed backhand. He just doesn’t have the consistency on that and seems to stab at it.

It will be a close match but Rafa takes this one I feel.


van orten Says:

a friend just called be and he told me odss are 1.6 if tsonga wins and 2.5 if nadal wins …he asked me for advice and i said bet on rafa!


Brando Says:

@Skorocel: LOL, i know i am a mass of contradictions most of the time, but aren’t we all when our fav, as capable as he is, also very vulnerable?

History suggests rafa should have more than a good chance in this one, BUT after the last match and tsonga’s recent form- i think it’s wise to say tsonga in this one. All i hope is IF rafa is to go out tonight, then he goes out all guns blazing!


Kimmi Says:

guys on court!! good luck to both..


Kimmi Says:

i am sure if rafa wins the top will electb to receive. tsonga wins and elected to serve so it is easier for rafa.


Kimmi Says:

omg, so may typos. should be..

I am sure if rafa wins the toss he will elect to receive. Tsonga wins and elected to serve so it is easier for rafa.


Kimmi Says:

ha ha tsonga is making some strange decision early on in the match.


Kimmi Says:

rafa needs to serve well, tsonga already attacking his serve


Kimmi Says:

rafa has not won a second serve point yet.


Kimmi Says:

tsonga holding easily at the moment while rafa struggling to hold.


Kimmi Says:

great hold from 0-30

I feel rafa is starting to play better now.


van orten Says:

well starting to watch now ..tsonga looks good..nadal will have to be rafa to win this


van orten Says:

too bad they never ever met again in a gs since their 2008 clash…


Kimmi Says:

tough to hold for rafa..a hold is a hold. he will probably get a bad game from tsonga soon.


Wog boy Says:

I think Nadal can win this one and if he does , I see him in final against Federer and that one is going to be diferent ball game alltogether, he can win WTF. If only he can win this one.
I don’t see Nole in SF. He doesan’t look happy on court, not at all, unless something changes overnight …no good. Sorry Nole , you brought so much joy and happines to us, your fans, but now you need to regroup for next year. I don’t blame you ,not at all, you didn’t have time to digest all what happened this year. Have a brake my champ, ser you in
Melbourne.
Kimmi thanks for your posts, i am at work but reading your posts makes me feel like i am watching it. No joke.


van orten Says:

well well tsonga secures the tie break


Wog boy Says:

“see” not “ser”


Kimmi Says:

tsonga has been so close in almost all rafa games. he might have a better chance in the tie break. But then you never know with tsonga.

Rafa to serve to stay in the set again. I find it very tough to serve second always..but i guess rafa does not have a problem with it.

He is playing better now. the last two games were a little easier to hold for rafa.


Kimmi Says:

van orten, tsonga got the tie break? is my tv behind. the tie break is only starting for me!!


van orten Says:

i really believe fed will do the same damage to rafa again in the finals due to the surface advantage he clearly has vs him


Kimmi Says:

that is a strange point. the ball was well out. rafa touches it and he loses the point.

Tsonga..ah, double faults.


van orten Says:

2:1 tsonga on serve and now…double fault tsonga 2:2


Kimmi Says:

Those drop volleys from tsonga are like AO 2008.


van orten Says:

tsonga is a reall good volleyer!!! 3:2


van orten Says:

kimmi ur faster ;-)


van orten Says:

incredible tsonga !!! 4:2


Kimmi Says:

OK van orten, we are watching the same.

another drop volley, tsonga with a mini break.


Kimmi Says:

Oh no, bad error from rafa..roght at the bottom of the net. Tsonga looking good now 5-2


Kimmi Says:

tsonga on the net a lot. rafa nooooo chance. 4 set points


Kimmi Says:

ACE! set Tsonga


van orten Says:

missed the end of the set completely…tsonga played a little better than rafa..


alison hodge Says:

great set of tennis from jwt,rafa didnt do much wrong,tsongas just so much better.


marrisv Says:

thia is not the rafa that played here last year. He looks listless to me and just scrapping to stay.
Having said that JO is doing what he needs to do to win.


Kimmi Says:

bad game coming up tsonga!


jane Says:

Just checked in on the scores; wow looks like a tight contest today. Keep the commentary coming guys as it’s all I have at work to go by!


Kimmi Says:

so lucky tsonga. rafa made easy error..his chances wont come that much


Kimmi Says:

rafa missed his chances in another game.

oh, the rafa FH is bullying tsonga


Kimmi Says:

no break of serve so far. it is still anybody match


van orten Says:

Keep commentating kimmi..had to leave!!!


Kimmi Says:

I will try but I am cooking at the moment.

Uncle Toni clapping for tsonga drop volleys, ha


Kimmi Says:

tsonga serving at 38% in the second set. commentator is saying rafa should make use of this.


Kimmi Says:

4-4 crunch time. well good thing rafa is serving first.


marrisv Says:

Nadal missing easy shots….


Kimmi Says:

awww, great pass from tsonga. how did he get that.


Kimmi Says:

danger time. tsonga attacking. rafa serving 15-30


Kimmi Says:

let off for rafa. tsonga missing easy shots, rafa with a game point.

oops, rafa miss FH to the net

Duece


Kimmi Says:

rafa pumped up VAMOS!!


Kimmi Says:

I was actually waiting for that tsonga bad game.

set point for rafa


Kimmi Says:

INCREDIBLE! Tsonga with big serves to save set point. AND GREAT VOLLEYSHe is not out of the woods yeat.

duece


Kimmi Says:

rafa with great shot..another set point

big serve and smash! tsonga doing a slum dunk


Kimmi Says:

going for broke and he misses..rafa set point again


Kimmi Says:

second serve now..a chance..

tsonga missed again..shouldnt have. he is going for too much. set rafa.

third set


marrisv Says:

On to the third. Come on raffffa


Kimmi Says:

rafa looks the better player now. tsonga just cant sustain. we will see.


Kimmi Says:

danger 0-30 rafa. chance for tsonga


Kimmi Says:

tsonga attack attack attack. 0-40


Kimmi Says:

rafa with a body serve, saved one.

Drop volley from tsonga to break..first break for tsonga in this match. he is ahead now. can he keep it up.


Kimmi Says:

apparently rafa only won one point on tsonga serve in the third set.

there wins another.


Kimmi Says:

tsonga so happy when he broke again.

now the yips of serving for the match. double fault.

rfa with a great drop volley


Kimmi Says:

omg another double fault. very tight tsonga


Kimmi Says:

2 first serves to save break point.

duece

rafa with a good return..break point again


Kimmi Says:

double fault..another..ha ha

rafa still in this one


Kimmi Says:

rafa is the nervous one now. 0-30

tsonga wants to break again


Kimmi Says:

oh no 0-40


Kimmi Says:

tsonga wins.

congrats tsonga. good for him.


van orten Says:

Masssive choke by tsonga!!!!????


Kimmi Says:

van orten – he choked yes, but went ahead and break right back to win.


marrisv Says:

Nadal did the biggest choking… Boy his confidence is shot to pieces. I think he will be well advised to have some one other than uncle Toni next year. Whatever work he did to improve his game in the last 6 weeks, I didn’t see it.

And for god’s sakes, enough of that defensive play.


Wog boy Says:

It wasn’t meant to be. Sorry Rafa’s fan’s I was with you today .
Kimmi thanks.


van orten Says:

Thanks for transmitting kimmi


alison hodge Says:

just as i feared well played jwt,the better player won,congrats jo,hard luck rafa at least it was a more competitive match from rafa,than the federer match,good luck to rafa in the dc,go rafa.


Brando Says:

Congrats to tsonga. Good effort from rafa, but onto the Davis cup and then the drawing board. Much thought and hard work needs to be done in preseason. Agree with marrisv: what the hell did rafa do in his training sessions to improve for the future? Should uncle toni do theright thing and leave himself?since I still see the same rafa prior WTF: weak second serve, serve goes whenever under pressure, defensive play from what seems to be the stands as opposed to how his opponent is always inside the court, feeble BH, ZERO self confidence and the final nail in the coffin: an error prone FH :-(


Brando Says:

@wog boy: thanks. I think my guy is pretty much done and dusted for this season. Your guy just broke his spirit into 2. Anyways, good luck to nole tomorrow, but if I am being honest I hope he doesn’t get to the SF since I think THIS federer would beat him badly and nole doesn’t deserve a whooping as the final match of THIS season that he has had! Hope he beats tipsy and berdy wins in 2!


alison hodge Says:

brando greg rusedski(dont know if i spelt his name correctly)says thers no problem with rafa, and he will have a great year again next year,one things for sure, the scales will tip one way or the other,im hoping hes right,im not greedy id settle for a repeat of this one,just trying to stay positive lol.


Brando Says:

@Alison: lol, it seems I’m out to test that confidence with my pessimistic posts- il stop them now!!! OOF glad rafa’s got DC on clay, infront of his beloved Spanish countrymen and then the season is over for him. I think this season proves more than ever that the biggest and most important ingredient for any top player to win and dominate is : CONFIDENCE. Rafa needs to get his back- if he does then things can change dramatically for him!


andrea Says:

hmmm. tsonga’s first serve %’s were very high.


alison hodge Says:

touche brando touche,i have learned in life best not to get your hopes up too much,otherwise you can set yourself up for dissapointment,im always gratefull for what ivealready got,and my favs got 10 grand slams who would not be happy with that,even if he were to retire tomorrow hes still had an amazing career,no matter what happens next,love rafa win or loose always have always will.


marrisv Says:

Rafa has gotten back to his pre 2010 serving motion and it seems very obvious here at the WTF. It has become much easier to break …

This video shows it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GljqJv84tTI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It was not a grip change but a motion change. He badly nees to get back to that 2010 serve again if he has to have a chance to win any more non clay titles.


jane Says:

Commiserations Rafa fans; congrats to Tsonga. He is having a really good year, ever since the FO and just thereafter, he has played exceedingly well.


alison hodge Says:

jane thanks for those sweet words,, hope nole can get through to the semis,although we have to rely on ferrer beating t.berd,as t.berd only has to equal noles score to make the semis,from what i can gather,however well see i suppose.


jane Says:

alison, I have mixed feelings; in a way I would prefer to see him go rest and recharge for next year. I have seen him hoist more trophies than I could’ve imagined this year, so if he goes home, it will be fine. But of course, it’s always fun when our faves win, too. ;)


marrisv Says:

Thanks Jane. Hope your fav wins tomorrow.


marrisv Says:

From Rafa after the defeat…

“Is because of lot of things. Because probably I was little bit less passion for the game probably because I was a little bit
more tired than usual. I happy how I practiced last three weeks. That’s the true. Very happy with the right
attitude to play tennis. That’s important because I was in the right way. But to compete I wasn’t in the right way.
We can find excuses, we can find problems for more time, but is not the moment to say that. Is the moment to, you know, still fighting. Is the moment to say the season is over. I had good season. Happy for that. Not happy about a few things during the season.”
“This end of the year wasn’t easy for me. That’s hard to accept. But at the same time that’s give me little bit more of illusion and little bit more goal for the beginning of 2012. That’s what I going to try.”


marrisv Says:

“less passion for the game” –

Next year is make or break for Rafa I feel.


Wog boy Says:

@Brando:
That would be nice way for Nole to go out, I agree.

@Jane: I agree with you too. As Nole fan, this time last year I was thinking “one GS would be great” and look what he did. I don’t want to see him belted by Federer and at this point and his state of mind, it looks like this is going to happen if he is to go to SF. I don’t think injury has to do anything with his present game, he is just not there, on the court, his mind is someware else. I am off next day so I will be watching him and Janko and this time, for change , one Serbian is going to win, for sure :-)


Wog boy Says:

“somewhere”


Daniel Says:

I think everyone here is dismissing Djoko way to son. If you look at the Ferrer match, Ferrer played his best defensive match, Djoko was still playing deep, the problem was that very time he was going to finish the point or prepare to dictate in the next shot he missed. He was still defending pretty great and his shots had depth. He can hang around with Federer, and usually when he is struggling in a tourney the more deep he goes the better he gets.

Will see, if he beats Janko and qualifies I don’t see a given that Federer will win, Djoko won’t play that short as Nadal did, this is for sure. And his serve is better than Nadal, and Federer may not be in that God like level agains him as well.

I expect another balanced encounter, as most f their matches are.


Wog boy Says:

@Daniel, I hope you are right and will be more than happy if it turns out that way ,fingers crossed.
I am off to nice seafood lunch at Sydney fish market, I will have glass of Merlot ( it is cold for white wine )and pray that you are right.
Cheers


prettymuch Says:

Im a neophyte tennis fan and i totally like federer’s overall attitude and playing style. But im beginning to admire nadal’s sportsmanship after losing a match, shows sincere humility i think.


jane Says:

Wog Boy and Daniel, I like your posts because they perfectly encapsulate my mixed feelings, lol! Whatever happens is good at this point, I guess.

prettymuch, I agree that Rafa’s attitude is commendable.

Very interested to see what will happen in Davis Cup. Spain are the obvious favorites, but the Argentines will give it their all – they have been in a couple / few finals haven’t they? But no wins or…? Anyhow I don’t think they’ve had the kind of success Spain has had.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Prettymuch! Welcome! You’re going to love this sport.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Many of us can learn from Rafa’s post-match attitude, win or lose. He is an exemplar of the Kipling model: to regard triumph and disaster as equal imposters.


Dc Says:

Its very sad that Nadal is making excuses of being tired and having no motivation.
Tsonga played very well and Rafa was fighting.

Nadal should be more gracious in defeat and accept that the other player played better on the given day

Nadal is always known to make excuses for loosing – hes either tired or injured and now he is not motivated

Is Rafa willing to accept that he has won 10 slams because maybe the opponents he faced in the tournaments were not motivated??

“Not motivated” is the silliest excuse ever – hes basically saying – ” i didn’t win because i am not interested in winning”.

By saying hes tired and not motivated, he has downgraded not only Tsonga’s win but also the wins of other players against him during this tournament.


prettymuch Says:

Thnx jane and vagabond… yeah, im very much hooked now. Looking forward to next season.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Dc ,

True. For some Rafa fans(on other blogs) the excuses are ongoing and delusional.

He ate rotten Salmon prior to his match with Fed, plus he has shoulder and foot problems, plus he was tired, plus he was not motivated. Sorry, it is sometimes all such sourgrapes. Wish Rafa well in 2012 and hope he channels his frustration into wins, and not why he is losing. Geez already can you just say the other guy was better today and NoTHING else?


nadalista Says:

Skeezerweezer Says, November 24th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

Hmmmmmm………………this must seem like Christmas and birthday treats served at once for you!Nadal getting a pasting all over the place……Life’s good, ain’t it….enjoy.

Regular Tennistalk reader, or poster even, are we??


Skeezerweezer Says:

^ not. But i do read the funny papers when i sit on the toilet.


alison hodge Says:

skeezer i love rafa,but a loss is a loss,i have no complaints,the better player won and that was jo,no excuses no bullshit,whats the point it doesnt change anything anyway,it only shows people for what they are sore loosers.


rogerafa Says:

@Daniel

I agree with you. Djokovic did not play bad at all especially in the first set. He was hitting the ball crisply but just could not land the final punch in many rallies. Ferrer was too hot on the day, both in offense and defense. He did what Novak has done so well this year i.e. returned everything. Many of Novak’s errors were forced by Ferrer. As the match progressed, he got frustrated and started going for too much and gave Ferrer some easy points. It was surprising as he kind of gave up towards the end which is unlike him considering the number of matches he has won this year with sheer resilience like the Berdych match.

It is only a matter of somehow reaching the semi final. This is the beauty of the WTF format. Once he is there, he can raise his level as he has done in many big matches this year. Two good days and he could end up lifting the trophy. The force has been with him too many times this year to rule it out.

I am curious to see if the Tipso match is going to be a real contest. Tipso is out of contention and his friend needs a lopsided result. However, Ferrer may also not like to give everything against Berdych since he has the night match and there is no point jeopardizing his semi-final against Tsonga with no rest day in between. Besides, it will also eliminate the best player of the year who could be, potentially, a very dangerous opponent in the final. That, of course, is the problem of a round robin format. Shenanigans can not be ruled out.


rogerafa Says:

I meant only the semi final as Ferrer could, theoretically, still finish second in the group and face Federer instead..


Brando Says:

@ skeezerweezer:
‘^ not. But i do read the funny papers when i sit on the toilet.’ LMAO, that’s what I call a response! Disagree re rafa though. He does give the opponent credit. It’s just the way others interpret his words- BOTH his fans and those with a dislike of him.


alison hodge Says:

great to here rafa has vowed to work hard to come back stronger next season,personally id be delighted if next year was a repeat of this one,even if he won one slam and that was it.


nadalista Says:

Skeezerweezer Says:
^ not. But i do read the funny papers when i sit on the toilet.

Figures………………….explains the stench around your posts…………..


skeezerweezer Says:

^pardon me? I am civil, i do use toilet paper and air freshner. Frankly, no one ever knows i was there ;)


marrisv Says:

Brando @ 7:19 – agree reg Rafa. He says it as it is.
Alison @ 8:18 – agree. Excited to see what Rafa can bring next year. I just want see him play at his aggressive best, bring his serve back and get that swagger back.


Michael Says:

From what I saw yesterday the match between Djokovic and Tipsaveric, the former was clearly playing to lose especially at the fag end of the third set. I just cannot understand how a tenacious Djokovic is in such a sombre mood while playing. Where is that fighting quality and spirit which put Nadal in place ???

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