Season On! Murray Stops Djokovic, Meets Federer In Dubai Final Saturday
by Sean Randall | March 2nd, 2012, 7:15 pm
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Finally. Someone put an end to Novak Djokovic and gave hope that the Serb can be dethroned this season. The honors of course went to Andy Murray who whipped Djokovic 6-2, 7-5 in the semifinals earlier today in Dubai.

“It wasn’t an amazing standard,” Murray said. “I still think I could’ve played better as well. I’m sure Novak feels the same. So that’s actually a good sign for me that maybe not playing my best tennis I could still win against him.”

Murray had come oh so close last month in the Australian Open semifinals and today he got the job done, though in typical Murray fashion he made things far more dramatic then they needed to be late.

Murray raced out to a 6-2, 4-1 lead simply dominating a dispirited Djokovic. But when asked to serve out the match at 5-3, Murray, as he’s done before, all but gagged.

Fortunately for the Scot he was able recover nicely breaking Djokovic at 5-5 and then finally serve it out at 6-5.

“I’ve had a lot of tough losses in my career,” said Murray who is 14-1 on the year. “To come back from them hasn’t always been that easy. I think it’s big for me that after Australia this year I’ve come back and had a win like tonight.

“Hopefully that will set me up well for the year. Confidence in tennis and almost any individual sport is so important. A win like tonight will do that no harm; therefore, mentally I’m sure I’ll be stronger.”

Djokovic had won 18 straight matches in Dubai collecting the last three titles along the way. And overall Novak hadn’t lost a big outdoor hardcourt match in who knows how long – 2010 US Open final?

“Andy played a great match,” said Djokovic. “He was the better player today. He was serving really well. I made a lot of unforced errors when it was important. It’s been a great tournament here in Dubai. Look forward to Indian Wells, Miami, which are the next tournaments, next challenges. I think I have more than enough time to get ready for it.”

The loss gives more hope to players like Rafeal Nadal, Federer and others the next time they face Djokovic. The Serb is just not at that scary level he was a year ago. He’s looked strong in patches, but only patches. And I think this really sets up well for the rest of the season as it looks like Djokovic will not run away from the pack like he did a year ago.

Murray now moves on to face Roger Federer tomorrow in the final. Federer returned to a seventh Dubai final after a tough 7-6, 7-6 win over Juan Martin Del Potro.

The Swiss found himself in a world of trouble down 5-0 and then 6-2 and four setpoints to Delpo in the second set breaker. Proving again that Fed’s clearly in Delpo’s head, Roger roared back winning the last six points to take the breaker 8-6 and with it the match.

“It was a good comeback, especially on a quick court,” said Federer. “Obviously with his serve it’s not really in your control. [The] same thing almost happened to me in the first set breaker. I think I was up 6 2 as well, and he got back to 6 5. So it’s tough sometimes when it’s all about my serve, and then you get a bit unlucky. You clip the tape. He had a couple of chances to hit the ball harder and maybe doesn’t hit them as clean.

“It was a tough breaker for me. The first three points were difficult. I got down 0-3, and from then on he had the momentum. But I kind of felt like, hang in there and see what happens. I didn’t believe I was going to come back. Next thing I know, I had a great point at 6 all and I was able to come through.”

Federer increases his margin over Del Potro to 10-2 and he’s won nine straight sets over the Argentine since his return from wrist surgery.

“I think I made a good tournament, and I’m glad with my level at this moment,” said Del Potro. “Of course I’m sad to lose this kind of matches, because I feel like I can win. Even if I lost, I think I have improved since Rotterdam. [It] was closer than the final two weeks ago. I’m getting closer and I’m getting confidence with my level, so maybe the next time – if I play better in the important moments or the break points or in the tie-break – I could win.”

The good news is Del Potro’s is playing better. The bad news is he needs to stop playing Federer.

As for tomorrow, it should be a hell of a match with Federer and Murray colliding for the first time in the Ivan Lendl era (though Ivan won’t be there) and for the first time in over a year.

“I’m just excited playing against him again after such a long time,” said Federer.

“I’ve played really well the last few months,” Federer added. “I’ve hardly lost. It’s great that momentum is on my side. I’m really match tough right now, and I hope I can take it one step further tomorrow. We’ll see how it goes.”

Murray leads 8-6 in the this one and though Federer beat him in their last meeting at 2010 London, Murray has won the last two outdoor showdowns at Shanghai and Canada, both finals and both in 2010.

And I think Murray’s playing the better ball right now – you could make the case he’s been the best on the season. But Federer’s been super sharp this week, especially with his serve. Though his opposition thus far has been almost exclusively hand picked patsies: He owns Del Potro, Youhzny, Lopez and Llodra anyway.

Meanwhile, Murray had a poor record against Berdych and then he got over on the best player in the world.

I also think Federer was extremely lucky to have escaped Del Potro’s grip in that second breaker. While Murray really demolished Djokovic, something no one has been able to do for a long, long time.

So this is a really even match. Federer has played so well in his pseudo homebase of Dubai and he’s on a roll on these quick courts (did Roger assist in the surfacing?). Andy’s playing well himself. He’s clearly been more aggressive this year, he’s beaten Federer before in best-of-3 finals and most importantly, this is a lower-pressure, non-Grand Slam title match. So I’m picking Murray here. He’s got to build off that Djokovic win otherwise a loss to Federer would be a almost a setback here if he doesn’t finish this off with a title.

Tennis Channel will be live with the Dubai final starting at 10am ET.


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161 Comments for Season On! Murray Stops Djokovic, Meets Federer In Dubai Final Saturday

Kimmi Says:

ah, crazy discussions on the other thread but entertaining. choking!! ha ha ha! too bad did not see the whole match. youtube has some great hightlights which gave me a good idea but still never the same.

Congrats to murray. what a great win. I kind of felt he was DUE. Now if only he can beat these guys at the GS?? That is what he needs to do to win one. Should we get excited? maybe not..its too early to say but these are good signs.

So happy federer was able to get through. choking or no, he did it.

“So it’s tough sometimes when it’s all about my serve, and then you get a bit unlucky. You clip the tape.”

federer calls this unlucky but others here calls it choke. Interesting how we all see different things.

anyhow, goodluck to both players tomorrow.


Kimmi Says:

verdasco wins another match! sure I can now say he is officially back? he is now in the final..Good luck in the final hotsauce.


Anna Says:

Yay!!! Go Andy!! It would be great if Andy could beat Nole enough to get into his head. Then we’d have Andy who beats Nole, who beats Rafa, who beats Roger. We’ll see tomorrow if Roger can complete the circle.


jane Says:

Hotsauce, back, really?!

Anna, yes a funny circle that would be: round and round we’d go, where it would stop no one would know. It’s pretty close to that already with these guys. Any of them can win on any given day – almost.


Eric Says:

Andy’ll probably win. He’s far more robust than Delpo, and Roger was not exactly awe-inspiring today…


Nims Says:

Kimmi: “So it’s tough sometimes when it’s all about my serve, and then you get a bit unlucky. You clip the tape.”

This was a point Roger was making about losing his lead from 6-2 in the first set tiebreaker. He had also commented on how unlucky DelPo was when he could have hit few shots which he missed.

It was a fair assessment from him.


Cecilia Says:

At last Andy gets over Nole .keep going Murray good luck


Kimmi Says:

Nims – I knew he was talking about first set tie breaker but I put it up there because the same statement could fit well for delpo in the second set tie breaker.

I also agree it was a fair assessment from roger.


Kimmi Says:

roddick down a break in the third set against K. anderson. Tough one for roddick this is. He was almost there in the second set tie breaker..shoulda coulda finish it there.

anderson with his big serve, i don’t see roddick coming back, but hey you never know..there is “choking”.


jane Says:

Roddick didn’t come back; Anderson is through. He is a tough customer. It’s not easy to break his serve.


Kimmi Says:

I saw a close tiebreak, but didn’t realize roddick had 3 match points. Reading on the ATP site, apparently anderson saves 3 match points. ouch, this must hurt for roddick. tough to lose after having match points.


Michael Says:

True Murray deserved his victory, but he cannot be satisfied with this because Novak was totally out of sorts and was making far too many unforced errors to his comfort. I do not know what is wrong with Novak; he was not even making an attempt to win. Perhaps something was bothering him or he had a stomach upset etc. etc. I do not know. When Murray choked serving for the match, I thought Novak would creep back into the match as he usually does. Everybody knows Novak’s tenacity which is even better than Nadal. But even then he could’nt hold because he was serving so badly and his shots were going out of range. I have never seen Novak playing so badly to lose a match and today was not his day. I do not take anything away from Murray. He played well and his first serves were clicking surprisingly. But still Murray found it easy because of the disorientation in Novak’s game.


Michael Says:

As regards Roger Vs Del Potro, this was a high quality match where both players were playing exceedingly well unlike the earlier one which was error prone. Both of them had a very good serving day. But what made the difference in the end was the serve and volleying ability of Roger. I assume Roger saw my poster the other day when I suggested that he should ponder coming to the net more often. He did exactly that and if one got a feeling that they were seeing a Sampras playing, they cannot be faulted. I am saying this because the quality of volleying of Roger was so high quality. I do wonder why Roger is not frequently volleying having such good exploits at the net ? May be he requires fast courts to support his volleying skills, I do not know.

What I can suggest to the Tennis Authorities is to emulate the Dubai experiment and lay out fast courts in other tournaments. This will make Tennis very interesting, versatile and give advantage to the Aggressor who is not afraid to take risk.


skeezerweezer Says:

“Andy played a great match,” said Djokovic. “He was the better player today. ….”

Now this is the class of a #1 Player. Kudos for Nole not giving excuses for the loss and all credit to the victor.

Congrats to Andy…….Lendl you da man so far.

Fed…..you keep surprising this fan…another final. Whatever records you accomplish here on out is just gravy. Such an amazing career and still going! Go Fed!

Like Delpo’s comments also…seems very positive about his game….look out top 4 the rest of this year…there may be the TOP 5!

Hope Andy and Fed give us all an entertaining match tomorrow. Been a fun tourney and high quality play from all. Rafa missed out…….but then again….it’s a fast surface….kryptonite stuff for the beast


mem Says:

michael,

i am impressed with you and dave’s entertainment talents!

you guys are the funniest posters i have come across on this site. i wonder if you even believe the stuff you post. i’ll say one thing, you two missed your callings. however, i came up with a descripiton which i think is very fitting “comedians in denial.”


Michael Says:

Regarding Roger Vs Andy today, I would say it is 52:48. I give slight edge to Roger because of the way he has been volleying right now. The key would however be the first serve. If the first serves of Roger clicks, he is going to win no matter how well Andy plays.


Michael Says:

Mem,

I am wondering what is funny in my post. Can you please elaborate ??????


mem Says:

Michael,

you seem to imagine that you have a personal relationship with players or that you know exactly what they think. when you attempt to analyze certain matches you sound like you actually believe what you say. it’s funny how you and dave seem to take wins and losses so seriously as if your opinions actually impact what players do. that’s amusing to me!


felix Says:

Sean, sound very happy with Djokovic Lost
He just cant wait any longer for this to happened


Wog boy Says:

Novak’s team is getting assembled in USA for IW and Miami. They are all on holidays,Vajda is in Slovakia with daughters (they are tennis players too), the others are all over the place, but somebody forgot to tell Novak that his holiday is finished:)
He has 5 masters ( he plays MC this year) to play before FO, Serbian open maybe, Dubai was nice preparation and not a must, not taking anything away from Andy, I like the bloke, but that is reality and where is Novak at this moment.
He, Novak, needs a wants to peak for FO, London games. That is his priority this year. He cannot and will not repeat last year and he doesn’t have to. He has got one GS this year, no McEnroe curse, after his best and one of best years ever. One mor GS will do nicely, like FO :)
Somebody said by losing in Dubai he is going to get the
monkey of his back, agree.
Andy is winnig, probably in two GO ANDY !!!


Wog boy Says:

Jamie, it is OK ….I know….he is not going to win FO:)


Mark Says:

@Wog boy . Can’t u accept that the Djokass is NOT going to win FO???? His winning streak might just have come to a rude halt!!


Dave Says:

mem, what’s funnier is that you take your opinion so seriously that you bothered to repost your opinon as as if your opinions would actually impact what Michael or i would do. I guess when you lack facts, arguments and ability to respond to the posts, you have to attack the posters as “comedians in denial”. Look in the mirror to see Denial staring back at you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMfVtfqvP34


Dave Says:

It should be a good match: Federer would have prefered Djokovic, but Roger now has a bigger opponent: Roger certainly doesn’t want to lose to Lendl. And Murray doesn’t want to lose to Fed. Had it not been for Lendl, Federer probably would give this final the level of attention he’s been giving other non-Grand Slam tourneys since 2008 — as tune ups for Grand Slams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Lendl_career_statistics

The Lendl effect on Murray is progressing. Give them another 2 to 4 months to get even better — I think Murray could even be a threat on clay. Lendl won 7 of his 8 grand slams and became so dominant from age 25 to 29, which indicates how mentally strong and willing to learn he was Just like John Isner and Mardy Fish temporarily benefited from Jim Courier at Davis Cup, Murray is probably going to keep improving with Lendl’s coaching, tactics, opponent analysis and organized approach. Lendl dominated his field from 1985 to 1989 second only to Federer from 2004 to 2007. Lendl has reached 11 GS hardcourt finals, 5 GS claycourt finals, 3 GS grasscourt finals (1983 AO was on grass) and 7 year-end championship indoor finals. No coach on tour has experience or a tennis mind anything close to Lendl’s — except probably Roger Federer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Federer_career_statistics


Dave Says:

Federer doesn’t need Murray to beat Djokovic to have “hope”. Federer already knows he can beat Djokovic, as Roger beat him at the French Open and should have beaten him at the US Open.

“I also think Federer was extremely lucky to have escaped Del Potro’s grip in that second breaker.” In the Delpo match, Federer did not face a single breakpoint and created 6 breakpoints (though he converted none).

“Proving again that Fed’s clearly in Delpo’s head” was clearly disproved or questioned in the last article:
http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2012-03-01/8967.php

Delpo needs draws where he can play Nadal and Djokovic, not Federer or Murray who are bad match ups for him. Delpo played 13 straight matches in 3 consecutive weeks, surely is exhausted yet fought as hard as he could against an opponent who is a bad match up for him. Federer probably was a bit complacent after three consecutive wins, and didn’t want to hammer his friend Delpo for a fourth consecutive match. One good thing about Delpo’s match for Fed — Juan Martin was the first opponent who gave him a lots of groundstroke practice (unlike Llodra and Lopez, and Youzhny was inconsistent). The upside for Delpo playing and practising with Federer over the last 6 weeks is that delpo has been trained into a better player to threaten Nadal and Djokovic. Federer’s South American Tour after the WTF will take Delpo to the next level for 2013.

“While Murray really demolished Djokovic, something no one has been able to do for a long, long time.” Roger was probably pissed that he didn’t get the chance to demolish Djokovic, given how beatable Novak looked during the tourney.

“And overall Novak hadn’t lost a big outdoor hardcourt match in who knows how long – 2010 US Open final?” Actually 2011 Cincinnati, but Djokovic retired while losing at 6-4, 3-0 so people will not remember he would have lost that match.

“Murray has won the last two outdoor showdowns at Shanghai and Canada, both finals and both in 2010.” Both those tourneys were Federer’s first tourneys back from vacation so he wasn’t match tough, even though he reached the final by beating Djokovic in the semifinal. Murray on the other hand, played Los Angeles (F, loss Sam Querrey) before Canada and also played Beijing (QF, loss to Mardy Fish) before Shanghai. Had Murray not had the benefit of being match tough before those Masters tourneys, it is likely he would not have reached the final.

Since 2009 Cincinnati, Federer past his prime has a 4-2 winning record against Murray in his prime, all hardcourt (two wins came on fast Cincinnati hardcourts as well as slow Australian Open hardcourts). During this period, Federer also has a 7-6 winning record over Djokovic in his prime… while Nadal in his prime has a 2-10 losing record against Djokovic.

“(Federer’s) opposition thus far has been almost exclusively hand picked patsies: He owns Del Potro, Youhzny, Lopez and Llodra anyway.” It’s disingenuous to downplay Federer’s tougher opposition as “hand picked patsies”: Delpo whipped Berdych 6-3, 6-1 in Rotterdam, Youzhny won Zagreb (where he beat Berrer in straight sets, unlike Murray), Llodra came in hot off the Marseille singles final. Lopez reached the R16 of Australian Open, beating John Isner. Murray’s and Djokovic’s opposition have been bigger patsies. Murray played: Berrer, Chiudinelli, Berdych and Djokovic (who played like a patsy).

“you could make the case (Murray’s) been the best on the season…” Huh? Murray played two tourneys. In the Australian Open, Murray’s draw before the final (Roger-Vasselin, Llodra, Kukushkin, Nishikori, Djokovic) was higher on the patsy scale compared to Federer (Kudryavtsev, Beck, Karlovic, Tomic, Del Potro, Nadal). And Federer’s draw in Doha and Rotterdam were tougher compared to Murray’s Brisbane 250 against patsies like Kukushkin, Muller, Baghdatis, Tomic, Dolgopolov.

“did Roger assist in the surfacing?” If so, why were the courts so slow in previous years? Did Roger speed up the 2010 Paris courts as well?


roy Says:

it’s likely federer will finish his career with losing records against murray, djoker and nadal.

interesting isn’t it?
the fact they now get to play him over 30 is balanced by the fact he played them as children.

he is extremely lucky he never had these guys in his age bracket.
nadal and murray started beating him as teenagers even still.
and nadal as we know beat him regularly early on.

but it’s very clear if these three had been born in 80-82 or so, federer would have far fewer slams and GOAT discussions regarding him wouldn’t exist.


margot Says:

Hope Andy’s serve is sweet and consistent today, makes life so much easier for him if it is.
Come on Andy, you can do it! Your time is coming :)


Nims Says:

I believe people are talking too much about Murray’s H2H advantage against Roger. But to look things in perspective, most of the victory came in late 2008 (low point in Roger’s career) and in 2009 post AO 09 (again low point in Roger’s career).

Anytime Roger considered a match to be important (WTF and Slams) he always won quite easily. He never had a hard fought victory against Murray. It’s always been a dominant performance. Whereas most of Murray’s victory had come after losing the 1st set or in a 3-setter. Except one match (I believe Shangai) most of his matches against Roger has been hard fought.

I don’t think Roger is going to care about tomorrow’s match. Infact he would not have minded losing in Semis. I did not see him press too hard against DelPo. But still he was good enough to take care of him.


Kimmi Says:

here we go. lets the battle begin.


Daniel Says:

or roy,

Or Maybe, if they didn’t had to grow in Fed’s shadow, they wouldn’t be this match tough. For example, nadal was n2 for 3 and a half years. Djoko was n3 for 4 years. If they had the dame age as Federer, they wouldn’t have to put so much hard work in order to surpass him, and maybe wouldn’t be the players they are today.

Basically, Coulda, woulda, shoulda. It’s not Fed fault that Djoko only start winning Slams regularly 1 year from now, actually, it is, because he and Nadal were beating him before. Now is the moment when Dave’s post is needed when he place the statistics of fed Slams won after Nadal and Djoko won their first, too lazy to search.

You can’ expect to have all 4 players on peak years at the same time. Some can make the case Djoko beat Nadal not in his best year, 2008. But if we see it as whole, Nadal reached his prime in 2008 and is still in it, even so with the consecutive losts to Djoko. Djoko reach his prime in 2011, Fed in 2004-2007, Murray has yet to reach it.

See, they are all years apart in reaching their primes.


grendel Says:

@Michael
” I do wonder why Roger is not frequently volleying having such good exploits at the net ? May be he requires fast courts to support his volleying skills, I do not know”

Yes, I remarked on anothe thread that Federer served and volleyed 3 times in one game against delPo – successfully. I think the fast courts are relevant here. But also the player – delPo was hanging back, and so s and v much safer against him. I’d be surprised if we see much s and v against Murray. Hope I am wrong – it’s a wonderful sight.


racquet Says:

Pretty good so far. They both appear to be striking the ball really well. Could be a cracker.


van orten Says:

fed’s forehand is leathal at the moment …impressive stuff from both so far


dari Says:

Ooh a bit of s&v there, too! Love it! Go Rog!


Kimmi Says:

murray is sharp so far.


Kimmi Says:

oops bad error from fed


Kimmi Says:

sloppy from murray, good for fed.


grendel Says:

According to petchey, Murray has been on 66% for his 1st serve THROUGHOUT the tournament – remarkable for anyone, for Murray….

Murray so far steady, Federer on/off brilliant seems to be the pattern. Impossible to forecast.


dari Says:

Fed came up with the goods to fight off those bp’s after one error from Murray. I love both these guys, I was kinda hoping for him to get in the habit of converting chances but at the same time happy for roger to hold.


van orten Says:

4:4


mem Says:

dave,

sweetie, anybody can post stats and articles that already exist and pretend they came up with them. sorry, but i don’t see how that makes you knowledgeable about tennis. what i see here is a bunch of opinions, mixed in with a few facts from other outside sources. one person’s opinion does’nt mean any more than the other person. we all have them. i just don’t feel the need to post mine every couple of minutes.


dari Says:

Ugh, don’t like either or these guys missing their chances. Error from fed then two solid points by Murray to get back to deuce


Kimmi Says:

ah, how bad can he play on these break points


Kimmi Says:

eventually!! needs a good serve game here


Sienna Says:

it’s all about first servve %… Murray dropping where Fed is raising his…… 5-6 come on Fed serve it out.


dari Says:

Ouch that bp comes off that whacky return


jane Says:

Murray is at 50% first serves for the match right now; it’s the Murray second serve where Fed’s taking advantage. Muzz hasn’t been able to do the same on Fed’s seconds. Fed is winning a very high 71% of second serves. That’s key.


Daniel Says:

Fed is low on first serves as well, below 60%


Sienna Says:

mem Says:
dave,

sweetie, anybody can post stats and articles that already exist and pretend they came up with them. sorry, but i don’t see how that makes you knowledgeable about tennis

On the contrairy. To use those stats just about at the right time and moment is just the proof you need to see Dave is excellent in tennis.


van orten Says:

fed is aggressive non stop wow wow


van orten Says:

i wANT THE US OPEN to take place next week hahahhaa!!!!!!!!!!


Kimmi Says:

OK, murray is gone off the boil. federer steady.


madmax Says:

roy Says:
it’s likely federer will finish his career with losing records against murray, djoker and nadal.

interesting isn’t it?
the fact they now get to play him over 30 is balanced by the fact he played them as children.

he is extremely lucky he never had these guys in his age bracket.
nadal and murray started beating him as teenagers even still.
and nadal as we know beat him regularly early on.

but it’s very clear if these three had been born in 80-82 or so, federer would have far fewer slams and GOAT discussions regarding him wouldn’t exist.

March 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 am

spoken like a true pro roy. Try to read some of Dave’s posts. He might teach you a thing or two. May be even three. The guy always backs up his arguments with facts rather than bringing bad news like your good self. Thanks though.


jane Says:

True Daniel. Murray, in theory, should be able to take advantage of Fed’s second serves as he’s seen a number of them, but he hasn’t been able to – won only 5 of 20 second serve return points. Fed’s second serve is one of the best, whereas Andy’s still isn’t, although it is improving. Right now 47% first serves for Muzz/56% for Roger.


racquet Says:

Wow! What a way to break back! Thought the match was done.


Gannu Says:

This is what separates federer of 2010-2012 vs Federer of 2005-2007… he would have never lost his serve after being in that position…really surprisng that he starts playing so casually…neways


Kimmi Says:

break back…..game on!


jane Says:

And just as I write that he breaks through for the first time, lol. Hopefully he can get more firsts in as that would certainly make his life easier. But too many errors on backhand side esp.


van orten Says:

fed pushing too hard on that bp ..come on man


jane Says:

Fed’s hair is getting long. Or maybe it’s because Murray’s is short. Fed should grow out the ponytail again, just for old time’s sake!


racquet Says:

You’re right Jane, backhand a little too iffy at the moment. Nice, tough hold!


skeezerweezer Says:

Gannu,

so true @ 11:29 post


Kimmi Says:

three straights games for murray. got his mojo back. fed needs to hold here now


jane Says:

Fed is returning Murray’s serve well, he is also defending well as he did versus Delpo.


racquet Says:

Oh well, think it’s over now.


john Says:

wow 3 break point chances,go roger


Kimmi Says:

please federer dont try tooooo much! RELAX!


john Says:

King is back guys,he is playing a lot better this year,
Nole better watch out


dari Says:

Oh Murray that backhand giving trouble :/
Now fed serves for it.
Get it done old man!


jane Says:

Another backhand errors from Murray – that and his second serve. Also talking to himself a little more today.


Kimmi Says:

can he serve it out?


van orten Says:

but no matter how this ends…fed and murray are up for the challenge they face named nole and nadal


van orten Says:

crunch time now for fed…vamos !!!!


john Says:

ccom on roger,,


van orten Says:

match point!!!!!


van orten Says:

come on roger !!!!


john Says:

murray is digging hard,


Kimmi Says:

murray is going for it. match point


van orten Says:

what a point ….2nd mp now !!!!


john Says:

forehand at his absolute best


Kimmi Says:

tense..roger is very tense! error after error


jc Says:

sorry Ivan. maybe next time. probably never


john Says:

roger is back at his best…
Greatest of all time


skeezerweezer Says:

On this match today Fed had the mental resolve today, Murray didn’t, simple as that.

Congrats Fed!!! Another record in the books. Congrats to Murray also, nice run.

You could tell this win meant a lot for the old man, with both Nole and Murray in the tourney.


Gannu Says:

A 30 yr old man till defeats all these guys…hats off roger… you are the GOAT…Period


jane Says:

Aww, I feel sad for Murray; a win here would’ve boosted his confidence and helped going forward.

Congrats to Fed on his second title this year, though: well deserved.

That point at 30 all was the point of the match.


john Says:

roger is back at his best…
What a win man,congrtaulations king


van orten Says:

incredible last 2 points ,.forehand on as ever…amazing performance by roger …now back to slow court tennis in the us ;-)


Kimmi Says:

federer da man. very happy for fed.


Gannu Says:

And that too without losing a set!!!


skeezerweezer Says:

jane,

“That point at 30 all was the point of the match.”

You beat me to that comment, yeah friggin amazing point by both!


Humble Rafa Says:

Choking a 500-level tournament was uncalled for. Anyway, it looks like we have a new King of the Minor Leagues.


jane Says:

What Fed did on that one point reminded me of something Nole does too, where they hit the angled forehand repeatedly to the same corner/side and eventually it seems to wrong-foot the other player.


dari Says:

Whew, fed was coming out of his britches on those forehands, no? Some of them were awfully far out, but the last few kept their pace and stayed in!
Congrats Roger, on a nice little run of points here in february
Murray was better yesterday, but good tourney from him after a rough start.
Now my boys, bring that to the masters and slams!


margot Says:

Congrats to Fed and his fans, much the better player today. Not only did Andy’s blooming serve desert him but his backhand too :(
Lots of work for Mr Lendl to do.


jane Says:

Fed’s forehand did look great today.

I kind of feel like Murray never got going or something, I mean not like he can. Maybe that was due to Fed. Maybe it’s still mental (did notice more muttering today) but he never hit full speed it felt like, except for maybe at the end? What do other Murray watchers think?


Humble Rafa Says:

What do other Murray watchers think?

Mr. Lady Forehand = Choker.


john Says:

guys plz
note that Fed is 30 and beyond his
prime..Andy is in the prime of his life , 25
years plus got a new coach….even with al
that Fed defeated him…isnt this simply
great…pls mind that 25 and 30 makes a hell
lot of difference on a tennis court….Well
thats the case with legends..what u people
say?


Brando Says:

Well done roger! What does this match tell us? Roger is the best from the rest outside nole and rafa- until he beats those guys in a big one, status quo I feel remains. As for andy, a final, serve % below 60, mental wobbles- seems like a non stop continous re run of a bad film with him in big matches against the big 3! Both of these 2 need to do really well in IW/ Miami, where you know rafa/ nole will bring it, in order to say maybe the tide is starting to turn. Nonetheless, well done to both and roger in particular!


steve-o Says:

Congratulations Roger Federer! A record-breaking fifth title in Dubai without the loss of a set! This is a good sign for his season.

Commiserations to Murray fans, he played great and I’m sure he will do well this year.


racquet Says:

Congrats to Roger. Jane, I don’t think this loss will affect Andy at all. The win yesterday was more meaningful.


Dave Says:

Since after US Open, Federer has won 4810 points versus 2740 points for Djokovic (2070 points gap), includes non-countable tourneys if any.

Murray is only getting started. Give him 3 to 4 months. No serial choker one should jump to negative conclusions about Andy. He was beaten by the better player of the day. That’s sport.
http://www.protennislive.com/frameset.asp?year=2012&wkno=9&lang=en&tabno=1&eventid=M002&ref=www.aptworldtour.com/


dari Says:

I thought that it was a bit of reverting back to bad habits for mureay, jane.
Mentally, mostly with not converting chances, a lot of chatter on court, and some second serve problems.
But roger rushes you, and his game doesn’t often allow you to have a say in the point because he is so aggressive.
I was very pleased the way he beat novak though, so i wont be too down on him

Uhm, is this ceremony longer than the AO one?!


racquet Says:

^^what u people say?

We’ve heard it all before. Especially the last 2 years.


margot Says:

jane: I agree Andy looked sluggish today.
Now all you guys who had a mighty “go” at jane because she dared to say Delpot had “choked” perhaps you could now have a similar “go” at Humble Rafa.
Oh, you’re not? *Surprised face.*


Brando Says:

I think we need to put the coaches role in perspective here re Lendl/ Murray. What can the coach exactly do? Prepare the player, talk tactics etc BUT HE CAN NEVER play the match for him. Andy’s game was great before Lendl and even now with Lendl, the issue is his mental strength in BIG moments- that like nole he has to sort out on his own. And personally, I feel his mental state directly affects his serve, which if AWOL, then he more than likely shall lose. It’s tough situation, but andy needs to did the answers himself- from within- not look to others for them!


dari Says:

I’m ready for rafa to get back in the mix, I want roger and andy to have a shot at him again


madmax Says:

Fed is the best.

Another prediction from Jamie very soon so look out. And please 250, 500, 1000 tournaments count. They all count. Federer does what he does best. Plays great tennis.

Murray also, on the cusp. Played Great. Not long now. You can already see the changes to his game since working with Lendl.


Gordo Says:

That 6 to 2 head to head that Murray once held over Federer after Indian Wells 2009 is now down to 8 to 7. And since Indian wells 2009 I think all would agree Murray has gotten better.

Fed’s ability to adjust against some of these guys is amazing, and we all know how he thrives on confidence. This is going to make for a great rest of the year as there really is a top 4, and then the rest of the ATP tour players who can only marvel at what Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Murray can do.

I should list them above with Djokovic first and Fed 3rd, but today he has earned the right to be listed first. :)


steve-o Says:

The trophy presentation ceremony is awfully long-winded. So many speeches from tournament officials, sponsors, etc. Just get to the players, man!


jane Says:

racquet, “I don’t think this loss will affect Andy at all. The win yesterday was more meaningful.” Hope so. Murray was always really close versus Nole: even at Rome and the AO, so that win was no surprise, at least to me. I was wondering where he’d be in relation to Fed, more so. That’s why I wanted to see this final. I think Murray still has work to do. But also I feel like he wasn’t at his best today, whereas Fed was playing well and brings his best tennis on fast hard courts these days.

Definitely things are looking interesting going to US hard courts.


dari Says:

Roger says “Winning’s the best. It solves everything.”
Simple and obvious. Remember that folks!


mem Says:

Sienna,

that’s your opinion, but again, i fail to see how using stats at the right time is evidence that dave knows tennis. most of his comments follow the same pattern; he seems to always get angry if everybody doesn’t feel the same way he does about a particular player or topic, as a result, he posts a whole lot of pre-recorded articles and stats that he thinks support his opinions. i’m sure people on other blogs dig up information to support their views as well, but again, that doesn’t mean they all have an excellent knowledge of tennis. however, if that’s what you use to determine whether someone has excellent tennis knowledge, what can i say, but to each his own.


andrea Says:

yahoo! left for my swim at 5/5 in the first…came home to hear roger pulled out a straight sets win. sounds like he was on fire. way to go roger. perfect start to the weekend for me.


Angel Says:

72 and counting baby, watch out McEnroe. Not but for an “Old Man” as many of you people in this chat quote.


El Flaco Says:

Fed did a great job of returning Murray’s 1st serve, but his 2nd serve return was poor. Same issue in the Delpo match. Fed only served 50% on 1st serves. If you told me before the match what would happen if Fed served 50% and Andy won 56% of his 2nd serve points I would say Andy will win. Andy only served 48% on 1st serves which hurt too. During the match I was trying to tell him to put in some 3/4 pace serves, but he didn’t hear me. Fed was just better off the ground today and he won the majority of the big points.


Angel Says:

72 and counting baby, watch out McEnroe. Not bad for an “Old Man” as many of you people in this chat quote.


steve-o Says:

I think some credit has to be given to Federer’s tactical acumen.

Murray needs to get under the ball to be able to hit those heavy topspin backhands cleanly, and Federer often denied him the ability to do that by hitting a little flatter to his backhand.

Murray is very dangerous when he can run side-to-side and absorb his opponent’s pace, but Federer didn’t allow him to do that very much.

He would sometimes work the forehand to drag Murray off the court and then hit a little off-angle backhand, sometimes with not much on it, and Murray would miss.

When Murray has to step forward and hit through the ball instead of just using his opponent’s pace, he makes more mistakes. Federer is lethal from every part of the court; Murray is very lethal from the back but not quite as sharp when he’s in no-man’s land.

The chip and charge didn’t always work but it paid off in the second set to get the decisive break.

When Murray did get a chance to set himself for passing shots, he was just as deadly as ever. His serve was better, too, and he played a bit more aggressive. But the match was being played on Federer’s terms and he was able to win the decisive points.


grendel Says:

That amazing stat from Petchey – 66% 1st serve for entire tournament, took a bit of a dent today.48% – just won’t cut it. And the unforced errors, mainly on bh – quite surprising.
After a reasonable beginning, the match kind of petered out, don’t know why – no energy. It was as if Murray had shot his bolt with beating Djokovic. Good last game, though. Murray suddenly came to life, and we might have had a fight.

The wheel turns and turns. Despite today’s result, I feel Murray can got to Indian Wells with high prospects. Not so sure about Federer. He must be feeling on top of the world at the moment, but he’s been on his best surfaces. Now it’s the treacle of the slow hard courts. Djokovic and Nadal will be in their element, and all rounder Murray will be right up there with them. Will Federer?

margot – Humble Rafa is an entertainer, and anyone who allows himself to be upset by him is being pretty po-faced. Nobody was having a go at jane. She took a line, pretty vociferously,as is her right, and she was challenged and supported in about equal measure. That’s alright isn’t it? Or do you want a yes man’s club?


jane Says:

El Flaco, “Fed did a great job of returning Murray’s 1st serve, but his 2nd serve return was poor.”

Fed is 25th on the year for first serve return points won and 19th in second serve return points won. But if you look at his return points won overall for 2011, he was definitely better, in general, at first serve returns – up at 9th for the year – whereas he was 19th at 2nd serve returns.

What’s weird is that Murray’s always been right at the top in both categories, but he didn’t do much today on the return today. I thought some of his returns looked casual, and some were overhit, like he was going for an outright winner. He couldn’t find a winning formula on the return today.


tennisfan Says:

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carlo Says:

Margot – double standard? *shocker*

You in my tennis fan club? too sweet!

Humble Rafa is a reasonably equal opportunity critic at least. He/she does go easy on EggLover, though.

Federer winning more and has lost its wonder and awe, imo. But I am in a minority, I know.

That said, Federer was too good – God-mode on today. If he makes #1 and wins a GS (other than FO), I’ll gladly perma-ban myself.


jane Says:

steve-o, one thing I noticed is how much Fed took away pace from both Delpo and Murray, and some of those off-pace balls may’ve forced errors.

grendel, I was wondering if my view that the match never quite hit high gear was just due to my rooting on Murray but I guess you saw it too then. It was slightly anti-climatic, or it ended just as we were hitting the climax, as Murray started lifting his game, and thus Roger did too, and then … alas… it was already over!


Atom Says:

Congratulations Roger !!! Now onto indian wells and miami…. if FED wins atleast one it ll be a huge achievement and we FED fans will be delighted to the core!!!


grendel Says:

As usual, a very thought provoking post, steve-o.I cant help feeling, though, that Murray wasn’t quite there today. He knows Federer’s game very well, of course, and he generally seems to rather like playing him, as if he feels it’s a good match up. Either today Murray, for whatever reason, just wasn’t “on” – every player is sometimes flat – or Federer had changed his strategy with the aim of changing the pattern of their matches. Do you think that’s what it is? I am a little sceptical, and I look forward to their next encounter.

It is true that Federer moved forward quite a bit – he did against del Potro – and I wrongly thought he wouldn’t against Murray. Another thing – Federer was quite patient, and bided his time before going for the kill.

I don’t understand why Murray doesn’t move forward more. Some commentator remarked that Djokovic has actually done more in this regard than Murray, over the last I don’t know how many months. And yet Murray is much better than Djokovic at the net, he’s got wonderful hands. It’s the transition he seems uneasy with; if he can get over that hangup, he’ll surely be a much more effective performer.


El Flaco Says:

Good points Jane. I think Fed has been trying to flatten out his 2nd serve a bit more. It has resulted in more double faults, but it is harder for opponents to get on top of his 2nd serve and punish him. Murray likes to take 2nd serves early inside the baseline and when you don’t get a kick serve it is harder to be aggressive with the return so you either miss or give Fed a ball he can dictate with while Murray is stuck in no-man’s land inside the baseline.

We will see if Murray learns from this experience. He would be better off at least some of the time doing what Rafa does and stand back on 2nd serve to hit a heavy topspin ball in the middle of the court. That type of shot can give Fed some problems especially on a big point.


Krishna Says:

carlo said: “That said, Federer was too good – God-mode on today. If he makes #1 and wins a GS (other than FO), I’ll gladly perma-ban myself.”

lol love that comment carlo :) .


margot Says:

grendel @ 12.38 “po-faced” yes well we all know that humour is totally subjective, don’t we? I seem to remember you getting very aerated over a poster, I found extremely funny, “Superman” I think he was, so please don’t accuse me of being “po-faced.”
“yes man’s club” says it all really.


madmax Says:

great comments fed fans.

mem Says:
Sienna,

that’s your opinion, but again, i fail to see how using stats at the right time is evidence that dave knows tennis. most of his comments follow the same pattern; he seems to always get angry if everybody doesn’t feel the same way he does about a particular player or topic, as a result, he posts a whole lot of pre-recorded articles and stats that he thinks support his opinions. i’m sure people on other blogs dig up information to support their views as well, but again, that doesn’t mean they all have an excellent knowledge of tennis. however, if that’s what you use to determine whether someone has excellent tennis knowledge, what can i say, but to each his own.

March 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm

mem, rarely do I reply to you. Just read and then think should I? shouldn’t I? because you always come back with, ah, skip the posts if you don’t like it. Well, I don’t like what you try to do to be honest and it’s nothing about skipping posts. You kind of don’t like people I think. And as for dave, well, he puts the effort in, in my view. And I once asked him, where do you find the time to put all those stats together and very honestly he came back and said it’s all on the atp site/wiki/yahoo, whatever. He takes the time and I for one enjoy the ‘fact’ factor. It kind of all then makes sense to me.

Dave is my hero, amongst others because he doesn’t come on here and have a go at people who disagree whereas you do. Not sure why to be honest. Must be unhappy I guess.


mem Says:

madmax,

you should have followed your gut and forced yorself not to respond. since you couldn’t contain yourself, i must admit, i’m not surprise that dave is your hero, after all, you guys think exactly alike. in fact, if i didn’t see your names attached to your posts, i wouldnt be able to tell which one of you i’m responding too. i’m just curious, but how does your support of dave or anyone else suppose to influence what i think? you are free to support whomever. i don’t mind at all.


alison hodge Says:

although im dissapointed for andy,i think i have to agree with alot of the posters,and say that i think he probably gained alot more from beating nole,and that will serve him well for the rest of the season ahead,but i have to say congrats to roger and his fans on yet another title,fantastic at the age of 30 to still have that desire,and to continue to break records,i would not be at all surprised to see roger and andy both bagging a slam this year,it all makes for an open and interesting year,with the big 4 all at the top of there game,and with delpo in there too,watch this space.


grendel Says:

margot – yep, I made a right tit of myself over Superman. A right tit. Feel free to have a laugh, I deserve it. My only consoloation is that I must have (involuntarily) provided a few giggles for others.However, he wasn’t very funny, not even “subjectively”, although he tried very hard, and he could certainly be smarmy as well as vicious. Humble Rafa, however, is sometimes funny and never vicious. And you are being po-faced, sorry. And if yes man club says it all, I guess you must be looking in the mirror.


steve-o Says:

Grendel: I don’t know if Federer will play the same way next time. Each match is slightly different and because both players are pretty tactical, they usually start by feeling each other out. If in that period Federer makes mistakes, then it’s hard for him.

if Federer plays aimlessly against Murray, there’s no way he can sneak out the win, as he can against many other opponents. He must make the right choices throughout the whole encounter. If he makes a sloppy start and drops serve a lot, that’s usually an indication that Murray will win. If on the other hand, he plays clean from the beginning and maintains his level, then I don’t think there’s ever much Murray can do to turn it around, except hope for Federer to start making mistakes.

I have to disagree with your assessment of the final; I think it was high-level tennis from both players, from start to finish, with Federer narrowly edging all the important points.

Murray has certainly improved, and I’m sure Lendl is helping quite a bit. But he will always be just a little less comfortable coming forward and making the plays than he is staying back.


carlo Says:

This is a big test for Verdasco. He will officially be on a small comeback imo, if he wins Acapulco by beating Ferrer.


carlo Says:

medium comeback, maybe. Acapulco 500 pts.


Dave Says:

mem my dear: either pinch yourself hard to wake yourself up from your hallucination or wash your mouth with soap to stop spreading disinformation about my posts. Stop pretending that I “pretend… (I) came up with…stats and articles that already exist”. Duh, when they exist I usually provide links and references either currently or in the past.

If I posted something that you claim is plagiarized or questionable, then I challenge you to put your money where your big mouth is and reveal to us what they are. Otherwise we see your claims as full of hot air.

You maliciously made the following false accusation against me: “he seems to always get angry if everybody doesn’t feel the same way he does about a particular player or topic.” Once again I challenge you to put your money where your big mouth is and prove your claim. Your failure to provide evidence just confirms that you are making stuff up.

For your arrogant assessment “i don’t see how that makes you knowledgeable about tennis” to be taken seriously, you first need to demonstrate excellent tennis knowledge to be able to make such assessments. I haven’t seen much evidence you really know much about tennis. A delusional belief is no substitute.

It’s too bad your oversized ego becomes jealous whenever you see my posts. But either argue with facts, principles, reasoning or else try not to read posts you cannot comprehend or which impacts up your ego.


Sienna Says:

Dave do not feel bad abput statements like that. I love the way you post youre commentss. I gives me pleasure and insigths in tennis. You know what is needed in mens tennis. I am no english writing person so sometimes I might take a false word or phrase, but you rock this place men!

Please keep on posting and give us the links you think we need to understand the tennis that is played these days.

Bythe way Roger rules the world today. Murray has been put down with a delicate glove.


skeezerweezer Says:

Slam dunk @4:10


mem Says:

dave,

you’re right, i can’t comprehend your posts and quite frankly, if you reread them, i doubt that you would either.


skeezerweezer Says:

mem,

Your good night present….

Hopefully you can comprehend it.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/tennis/index#homescreen


margot Says:

steve-o: agree with your last para. Andy was way behind that base line yesterday, far closer against nole.
grendel: I find your posts to me immensely condescending so I tell you what, well be very British and I’ll ignore your posts and you can ignore mine. OK?


madmax Says:

mem Says:
madmax,

you should have followed your gut and forced yorself not to respond. since you couldn’t contain yourself, i must admit, i’m not surprise that dave is your hero, after all, you guys think exactly alike. in fact, if i didn’t see your names attached to your posts, i wouldnt be able to tell which one of you i’m responding too. i’m just curious, but how does your support of dave or anyone else suppose to influence what i think? you are free to support whomever. i don’t mind at all.

March 3rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm

Hey mem. Trust me I have contained myself; I can’t remember the last time I responded to you – have i ever? my support of Dave? Similar I suppose to sienna, alison in part and many others. He comes up with thefacts mem. He doesn’t have a go at anyone. He shares his views in a non-malicious way and only now have I seen that he is getting pretty annoyed with you. Same with Skeezer, how many times you ranted at this guy? Why? because he/they disagree with you? and yeah you are right, we should ignore, but I guess I hope that one day you could be a bit nicer to people. I live in hope.

Try not to project on me though. It really doesn’t work.


skeezerweezer Says:

mem,

Shocked! I thought you only had Love for me? Say it ain’t so, makin personal attacks on another man? Say it ain’t so. Heartbroken. Devastated. Left me for Dave.

BTW, was just maybe knda sorta hopin you may have come on here to say “Congratulations Mr. Federer.” Oh welll…back to your SOP, eh?


grendel Says:

margot
what you really mean is, but can’t bring yourself to say or think, is that you were caught out. Sometimes a person is just wrong – but it can take a bit of spunk to admit it. When we have been in agreement, there has been no talk of condescension. However, mutual avoidance is fine by me – providing one is isn’t dragged in by the back door. The post of yours I was responding to was directed to a few people, including me. So strict avoidance isn’t always quite so simple.


grendel Says:

Oh, one final remark before fleeing off to the Arctic – one thing by that Superman character was genuinely funny. TennisX had a thread entitled “Federer prefers Batman to Superman”. Superman posted :( Much as I disliked him, that raised a smile.


rogerafa Says:

@margot and grendel

I recall margot writing to grendel something about the Americans lacking a sense of humor or something to that effect. Grendel probably agreed with that sentiment. It is quite ironical to see them accusing each other of lacking a sense of humor and bringing in subjectivity. Irony aside, it makes me very sad to see two of the most mature posters on this forum(forgive me if it sounds condescending) having to avoid each other. I just hope this is a temporary phenomenon because I enjoy their exchanges (especially on British topics) and highly appreciate their contribution in general.


skeezerweezer Says:

@rogerafa,

Ditto


mem Says:

skeezer,

you have a way with words and i’m impressed but you guys need to grow up and stop whining like babies every time i say, “boo.”

i assume most of you, if not all, are educated people with at least some common sense, but the way some of you scream “personal attack” at the drop of a hat leads me to question your intelligence. it’s ridiculous that grown people are so limited in their understanding of human differences that they have a problem when another human being perceives a situation different from them. my goodness, i made an observation about dave’s post and i responded appropriately. that is what people do on this blog, isn’t it? respond to each others comments. i didn’t commit a crime!

my mistake, i should have known how emotionally and rationally fragile some of you are. it never ceases to amaze me, why you guys seem so afraid and paranoid when someone else’s views do not align with yours? maybe i’m a little intellectually slow myself, so i’ll need someone to explain how an opinion or an observation translates into a personal attack.

judging from your lack of tolerance when it comes to opposing views, it’s scary to imagine that a mindset like this actually exists, but it does. anyway, what’s done is done!


Dave Says:

mem, despite my challenge, you have failed to provide a sliver of evidence to support the preposterous claims from your flappin’ mouth. This confirms your hot air is… just false hot air. You claim you cannot comprehend that your personal attacks are inappropriate and childish is just a mirage. Despite the rational comments of Sienna, madmax and skeezerweezer, your flappin’ mouth… is still flapping. We’re still waiting for an insightful and “grown up” post from you. Surprise us.

Sienna, your articlulate comments rock this place too! I love your “put down with a delicate glove” — it deserves quote of the Dubai tournament. Your English is fine, and definitely understandable.. And thanks, you made me feel good :)

skeezerweezer, I had a blindfold on for that basket :)

madmax, we can only hope for those who can’t handle the facts :)


Tennislover Says:

I agree with Rogerafa and Skeeze too. We need a thaw here asap and not an Arctic-like situation.


mem Says:

dave,

unlike you, i don’t need a group to approve my thoughts. am i suppose to change my opinions because skeezer, madmax, and sienna support your nonsense. has it never occurred to you that they too could be on the same elementary level as you.

shame on me for wasting time communicating with someone who apparently is incapable of interpreting simple things.


grendel Says:

mem

whatever the rights and wrongs of the little scrap you find yourself in, I have to say you are a spirited lass!


skeezerweezer Says:

grendel

Really ? You’d call her posts “spirited”?

You must be skipping the adjectives AT posters


grendel Says:

Skeezer – mem was under attack from 4 or 5 people. That’s a tough one to handle, a bit like being hunted by a pack I imagine, and in such circumstances I admire mem for her composure. I make no comment on the dispute itself. I think mem might cool it a bit with gentle spirits like Lulu, a good poster who’s not around much these days.


skeezerweezer Says:

grendel,

Nothing that she doesn’t start first. Opinion ? Fine, name alling or callin u out? Different. Then posters just get defensive. There right.


mem Says:

thanks grendel, but

they don’t bother me one bit! they remind of plato’s myth “allegory of the cave.” they have lived in darkness/cave so long until they cannot distinguish between images on the wall and reality. in other words, they have been thinking the same way so long until they don’t know what’s rational or irrational.

in the past, i have been call names on this blog, personally attacked and everything else because i won’t abandon my thinking to go along to get along, but i could care less. you don’t see me going around whining about how they are attacking me. fact is, calling me names don’t change my opinions, therefore, none of it matters to me.

they are the same little group of ignorant posters who feel they can come together and bully, intimidate people who don’t go along with their views about certain players and other things. skeezer is the ring leader!

if they think for one minute i’m going to back down from my opinions, it’s not going to happen! no one, and i mean no one tells me what to think and believe. if they want to spin their wheels talking to themselves or each other about something they can’t control, be my guest. they may control some of these other posters who keep apologizing for thinking, but i’m not one of them.

truth is, they actually want me to leave this blog for good; that way, they can all agree and there will be no one to challenges what they say. they make a whole lot of noise, but realistically, they don’t have the confidence to take on a challenge; therefore, they like to avoid debates unless everyone agrees with their side. they call that keeping the peace. quite honestly, i feel sorry for them!


Polo Says:

I was not able to watch any of the finals this weekend but I am happy with the results. I like Federer and Ferrer.I would have been happy had Murray and Verdasco won’t but all in all, no complaints. Those “old” guys (Federer and Ferrer) are still good, aren’t they.

Loving the passionate exchanges in this blog. Some rational, some irrational. But that really makes for interesting reading. We couldn’t and shouldn’t just say yes to each other all the time, could we? Should we? That would be like we all died and went to heaven.


skeezerweezer Says:

Now I am called a “ring leader”, lol


skeezerweezer Says:

Thanks grendel ;)


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