Djokovic v Murray In Miami Final; Who’ll Be The Winner, Who’ll Be The Fool?
by Sean Randall | March 31st, 2012, 3:14 pm
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In a rematch of their 2009 finale, Novak Djokovic meets Andy Murray for the Miami Tennis Masters title. Three years ago it was Murray winning 6-2, 7-5 but this time around Djokovic is a different player and the clear favorite for this April Fool’s final.

Novak is now a solid No. 1 in the world, full on confidence and charisma, and he’s seeking a successful title defense, third overall, after winning Miami in 2011.

Murray also brings a different look. Under the tutelage of new coach Ivan Lendl, the Scot has been more aggressive and more offensive, a new mindset that was on full display during a pulse-pounding 5-set epic loss to Djokovic in the Australian Open semifinals.

Both players should be rested and in form. Djokovic was scratchy for the most part during this month-long U.S. swing. But in his last two matches Novak’s really turned it on, playing not unlike the man who dominated most of last season.

Meanwhile, Murray has benefited (or not?) from two withdrawals. In the third round he got a pass from Milos Raonic who turned an ankle a day earlier. And Friday Rafael Nadal’s knee was not up to par allowing Murray to reach the final without hitting a ball since Wednesday.

“You never know how you’re gonna play on the day,” said Murray of the time off. “Obviously you don’t play a match for three or four days, it’s different than if you played one, you know, one or two days ago. But then the positives are that you’re going to be fresh and physically feeling fine. So who knows. Wait and see on the day. It’s never happened to me before. So I don’t really know how I’m gonna feel for the final, but I’ll definitely be fresh.”

So Murray’s won three matches, received two walkovers plus a bye and will have enjoyed three full days off. Is that enough tennis? And the matches he did play – wins over Novak’s countryman Janko Tipsarevic, Gilles Simon and Alejandro Falla – won’t prepare him from the onslaught Djokovic can bring to the table.

Head-to-head, Djokovic leads 7-5 but they’ve split their last six. Murray beat Novak in Dubai last month, however Djokovic won that incredible 5-setter in Australia.

In Masters finals, though, Murray holds the edge 3-0 winning all three in straight sets and he does seem to play his best tennis often at these level of tournaments when the pressure is not as great. So Murray, who trains in Miami, will have the confidence and comfort of having those wins under his belt and the conditions won’t hurt him.

For Novak since the start of 2011 when Djokovic’s began this run, he’s 11-1 in tournament finals, losing only to Murray in Cincinnati where he retired because of his shoulder. There shouldn’t be any shoulder issues Sunday!

If Djokovic serves well that should lift the rest of his game to victory. Unless Novak is completely falling apart, Murray will have to do a lot of things well, and be committed to offense.

In 2009 I picked Murray (and he won), but I’m taking Djokovic in this one. While Murray has clearly made progress in his game thanks to Lendl, I still don’t think it will be enough to beat Djokovic if the Serb is playing like he did in the last two rounds.

Djokovic just has far too many weapons right now and when he’s firing there are very few guys on the circuit that can match him, and Murray isn’t one of them. Not yet, at least.

“Andy is a top player,” Djokovic said. “He deserves to be up there. He’s very consistent with his results. Over the years he’s been top 4 and playing a couple of Grand Slam finals and winning many tournaments and major tournaments.

“So we all know his talent, his potential, and quality. He’s dangerous on any surface. Obviously here we played finals in 2009. I lost in straight sets. He likes the conditions. He likes to play in the heat, as well, and has a good serve. So we kind of play similar, as well. You know, we grew up together. We know each other really well. We have been rivals since and good friends off the court.”

Then again, except for some flashes here and there, Djokovic hasn’t been that same player from a year ago. So Murray does have a chance in this. Regardless, with the defense and variety both guys have it should be a very entertaining matchup.

And a congrats to Agnieszka Radwanska who collected her biggest career title defeating Maria Sharapova 7-5, 6-4 in the women’s final today. The steady Radwanska, who didn’t lose a set in Miami, outplayed and outhit her Russian counterpart to continue her impressive 2012 run during which only No. 1 Victoria Azarenka has beaten her.

CBS will have live coverage of the best-of-3 men’s final at 1pm ET.


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415 Comments for Djokovic v Murray In Miami Final; Who’ll Be The Winner, Who’ll Be The Fool?

Kimberly Says:

Hard to see Murray winning this even though he beat him in Dubai. Novak in 2.


trufan Says:

Djokovic will most likely win.

I hope Djokovic wins a few clay titles again. Nadal did a smart thing by withdrawing – if he loses the FO this time, he will rapidly vanish..


Ajet Says:

Murray whenever has played even close to his best, there a lacklustre djoker has generally been trounced. but a murray playing lacklstre gamewise has still been able to keep it at least bit competitve against a decent playing djoker!
thus, i’ve no doubt in my mind that gamewise if both are at their respective bests, then murray’s gonna win.

to me gamewise, it has always been:

best muzza vs best djoker=muzza wins!

best muzza vs just less than best djoker=muzza even easier win!!

best muzza vs lackluste djoker=djoker routed!!!

just less than best muzza vs lacklustre djoker= muzza very easy win!!

just less than best murray vs best djoker=winner unsure!

just less than best muzza vs just less than best djoker=muzza again win!!

lacklustre muzza vs just less than best djoker=djoker win!

lacklustre muzza vs lacklustre djoker=muzza win!

lacklustre muzza vs best djoker=muzza carnage!!!


Ajet Says:

however, i don’t expect muzza to be at his best at this part of the year, thus i have picked djoker for win in my bracket challenge. lets see!


Ajet Says:

actually djoker need this win more or murray???


jane Says:

H2H 7-5 Nole versus Muzz – in last 5 matches over the past year, it’s been much closer, with Nole edging Murray 3-2. Their matches are usually close for at least a set, but sometimes one player breaks away. It’ll be interesting to see what happens tomorrow.

2012 Dubai Hard Murray, Andy 6-2, 7-5

2012 Australian Open Hard Djokovic, Novak6-3, 3-6, 6-7(4), 6-1, 7-5

2011 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati Hard Murray, Andy
6-4, 3-0 RET

2011 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome Clay Djokovic, Novak
6-1, 3-6, 7-6(2) Stats

2011 Australian Open Hard Djokovic, Novak 6-4, 6-2, 6-3

2009 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami Hard Murray, Andy
6-2, 7-5 Stats

2008 ATP Masters Series Cincinnati Hard Murray, Andy
7-6(4), 7-6(5) Stats

2008 ATP Masters Series Toronto Hard Murray, Andy
6-3, 7-6(3) Stats

2008 ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo Clay Djokovic, Novak
6-0, 6-4 Stats

2007 ATP Masters Series Miami Hard Djokovic, Novak
6-1, 6-0 Stats

2007 ATP Masters Series Indian Wells Hard Djokovic, Novak
6-2, 6-3 Stats

2006 ATP Masters Series Madrid Djokovic, Novak
1-6, 7-5, 6-3 Stats


Ajet Says:

the AO final djoker faced the mental midget murray, thats’ why the easy victory otherwise since muray came into being in 2008, it’s all been straightforward murray wins in 3 setters on HC, not much to argue about here! 5 straights set bwins for muzza in HCs says it all!

and even in oz 12, if murray hadn’t taken the foot off the pedal, then it’d have been a 4 set win for him, to be frank! a great playing djoker always has had great difficulty in disposing off even a decent playing muzza since 2008 on HC, whereas even a close to best playing muzza disposes off a good to great playing djoker fairly/relatively quite easily!

and btw murray and fed has the best game to counter djoker match-up wise, muzza’s easy wins can be easily attribiuted to this!


Ajet Says:

djoker even when playing great, cannot make a great playing murray look that mediocre, but a great playing murray makes even a great playing djoker look quite ordinary and playable! in fact, murray was playing better tennis than djoker for most part of his AO semi, it was only in few crucial sets in which murray cooled off a bit and that let djoker off the hook, otherwise murray looked clearly the player wit the upper hand in that semi! murray basically layed eggs theough the entire 4th set and more than half of the 5th set in AO 12, yet the scoreline was so close! thus, can;t imagine what woulda hapened if murray was al focus throughout the match!!! my guess is that it’d in all probabality had ended in a 4 or (realatively easy)5 set win for murray!


Ajet Says:

i’m rooting for murray to win!!!
go murray!!!


Ajet Says:

let’s cheer all the way for murray guys!!!
GO MURRAY, KICK DJOKER’S BUTT HARD!!!


Ajet Says:

murray only if he wanted and believed in hmself and not let the rivals off the hook in crucial stages by playing nervous, then he could definitely have won ,multiple slams by now!!! he has so much talent! and to top it all, i support him! ;)

btw, i like murray more than djoker coz murray when aggressive is real aggressive player like federer/nalby and far more aggressive and exciting to watch than djoker!


madmax Says:

I don’t think it will do Andy any favours not having played the last few matches. Novak is in the groove and though he will be more tired, I think he will be on a roll and too strong.

Am sure that Murray will do extremely well though, and he could win. He said in his interview that having worked with ‘Ivan for the last few months, he has got some things that he wants to try out on rafa, novak and roger’ that he feels very positive about, so seems he is looking forward to the beat down! Go murray!

Think Novak is going to be too strong though.


Ben Pronin Says:

Ajet, seriously, what are you talking about? If you’re going to say the reason Djokovic won last year’s AO so easily because Murray is a mental midget, then I’m going to say Murray won Cincy in 08 because Djokovic was really bad in the clutch. And the fifth set of their match in Australia this year should have been a rout if Djokovic hadn’t taken his foot off the pedal. And Djokovic could not have played worse in the second set of that match. If he wasn’t having so much trouble moving to his forehand side, it would’ve been a straight forward match for him.


Colin Says:

I hope I’m wrong, but I have to say Nole will probably win, for this reason: Andy makes a habit of improving through the course of a tournament, then producing his best in the final (except when he doesn’t make it, of course). This week, he’s had the time, but has he had enough matches?
This time, I don’t want his first service game to last a quarter of an hour! He needs to hold fairly easily, or as easily as can be done against the fast Nole.
Yikes…I’m feeling nervous already!


jane Says:

For me, I just see Nole and Muzza as a really close rivalry, which to my mind the H2H reflects. It’s true that match-up-wise, Murray, like Tomic, mixes things/pace up, which can sometimes trouble Nole, but Murray can be passive, and in those cases Nole often takes charge. Other than a couple matches in 2007 and 2008 when Nole routed Muzz, there have been no routs in their matches, just well fought contests.

Nole’s played 3 hours more than Muzz, so it’s hard to say. That could work in Muzz’s favour, more rested, or against him, less grooved. Just never know. I think Muzz is more used to Miami climate as it’s his home-away-from-home: maybe that’ll help? I can’t call it. Could go either way.

BTW, I saw an interesting post at Tennis Planet’s site the other day (a site I go to for the great photos) and it listed classic rivalries; here is the link for anyone who is interested:

http://www.tennisplanet.me/blog/2012/03/list-of-tennis-rivalries-open-era-djokovic-and-nadal-have-played-each-other-more-than-federer-nadal.html


bojana Says:

Cool down Ajet we got the point.You like Murray and he is going to win.

Go Nole whatever happen,You are our the best.


harry Says:

Jane, much as I would like see a crisp Nole win, if Muzza were to win, the three-way race for no 2 (before even the French open) would add even more to the dynamic of these matches.


Steve 27 Says:

Djokovic this Sunday will equal Sampras 11 master 1000, 30 titles ATP like Roddick, 22 titles on HC like Mc Enroe, and he is only 24! he will be one of the greatest of all time and he is a Clown!


trufan Says:

Murray will choke. Its a final. Especially if it goes to a third set.


jane Says:

Harry, already the race is heating up this year. Last year it was all about Nole’s streak and his race to eclipse Rafa at number 1, which he achieved and which was interesting to watch unfold. This year, all the top four spots could potentially/ostensibly jostle. It’s going to be a fascinating year!


Andrea Says:

I hope it’s a three setter at least. I don’t have lots of faith in Murray on any day, but Novak has not been Teflon man this year….Andy must realize this final is a gift…he should go for it.


harry Says:

That is true jane! Incredibly lucky times :-)

If Nole wins, i think the points are going to be: N (12670), Raf (9815), Rog (9000), A (8160). But if Muzza wins, N (12390), Raf (9815), Rog (9000), A (8440).


Steve 27 Says:

ATP ranking list is on fire!
My heart pics Murray but my brain pics Djokovic.
looking for who?


Eric Says:

harry, not quite.

If Nole wins:
1. Nole – 12670
2. Rafa – 9935
3. Roger – 9080
4. Andy – 8040.

If Andy wins:
1. Nole – 12270
2. Rafa – 9935
3. Roger – 9080
4. Andry – 8440


jane Says:

If Murray wins, then the #2, 3, and 4 spots will be *very close,* less than 1000 between Fed/Rafa and Fed/Murray. Nole still has a pretty good cushion at #1, but there are still 2 MS 1000s for him to defend on clay pre-FO. I’m assuming that’s partly why he’s picked up MC, for the points padding, since he is the only guy in the top four who didn’t play there last year.


Wog boy Says:

Same as Fognini’s WO didn’t do any good to Nole at RG, those two WO are not doing any good to Andy, as Colin said (I think it was Colin), Andy is player who needs matches as he is improving through tournament. Any way I think it Is to close to call, I would like to see what working with Lendl changed in Andy’s game, he (Lendl) cannot play instead, honeymoon is over Andy, show us what is different in Andy under Ivan’s mentoring.


harry Says:

Ah Eric! you are right. I mixed up “equivalent” points from GS and masters (such as 720 for GS semis vs 600 for a masters finals!).


Eric Says:

Consequently, there’s not really a race for the no. 2 seeding at RG. Roger isn’t playing Monte Carlo this year, so Rafa will be 1,035 points ahead of him going into Rome (assuming Rafa wins MC – if he loses in the final, I guess only 635 points).

Basically: Roger has to hope that Rafa loses Monte Carlo — and then beat him in the Rome semis to get to the no. 2 spot, or hope that Andy beats him in the Rome semis. Yeah right to both.


Eric Says:

And also, ignoring little tournaments like Estoril. I don’t know who is playing what.


Wog boy Says:

Looking at ATP ranking it can work in Nole’s favour, the other three can end up in a dog fight for better position.


Eric Says:

Actually, my bad. I mixed up the order of Madrid and Rome in the calendar, haha. Whoops.

So then going into Madrid, Rafa will be 1035 points up on Roger (if he wins MC). For Roger, the best scenario would be if he can manage to beat Rafa in the semis at Madrid. That would shake things up.

But the problem is that Roger already did well at Madrid last year, unlike Rome, so there is a lot less scope for picking up new points vis-a-vis Rafa. I don’t know whether RG seeding is based on the rankings before or after Rome – if it’s the rankings before, I think it’s virtuall impossible for Rafa to not be the second seed. If it’s the rankings AFTER Rome, it is vaguely possible, but still requires Roger or Andy to take out Rafa in a clay semi (and Roger to take out Nole, if it’s Andy-Rafa, Roger-Nole). That just doesn’t seem super likely.


Ajet Says:

Ben Pronin:

time for you to be more serious than ever before! if you really think murray wasn’t nervous and playing like crap to hand win so easily to djoker in AO 11, then I won’t argue! you may like to believe that djoekr can beat a determined murray in straight sets, but that actually’s not real! nobody including federer is good enough to beat a determined murray in straight sets in a slam! and so far as djoker’s concerned, only if murray’s able to exorcise his demons of crucial stages, then he can put away djoker for sure!

and speaking of cincinnati 08, as i said, a djoker playing less than best against a murray who’s also playing less than best means a win for murray! and that’s what happened! i have actually seen murray btw playing much better than he did at cincinati 08!

and speaking of djoker playing his worst in the 2nd set of his AO 12 semi vs murray, murray’s 1st set performance wasn’t exactly celestial either, by murray’s standards, he also was playing ordinary then! but what’s important is murray, only had he given slight more effort in 4th set, then the result would have not been to your liking! ;)


Tennis Fan Says:

The grand slams will determine who is no. 1 by year end … I go with Fed … he’s still the best.

As far as Djok goes … it is true he is full of confidence … but not so much on the charisma? … in fact not that many people watching the matches at the stadium like or cheer for the guy .. including me. and on the confidence side .. I actually think is a pretty frail confidence … usually the guys with big egos breakdown pretty easily. Cheers!


Eric Says:

The point of course being that it could have been nice for Roger to get the second seed at RG: as third seed, he is guaranteed to be seeded to meet both Nole and Rafa (if he beats the first one!). As second seed, he could have gotten Andy and Nole instead of Rafa and Nole. But realistically it doesn’t really matter because I am sure the scheduling gods would have miraculously decreed a Roger-Rafa semifinal, however “random” the draws are supposed to be.

Anyway. Hopefully, Roger can do well in Madrid again, avoid losing early in Rome (which, looking at his history, he almost always has done for whatever reason), and play a great French. That’s all we can really hope for. Maybe something exciting and unexpected will happen; maybe it won’t. Either way, the tennis will be amazing. :)


Ajet Says:

don’t care if my bracket pick goes wrong, i want my heart’s pick murray to club djoker!

go murray!!!


Ajet Says:

btw my bracket pick, i.e. my head’s pick is djoker! but heart’s pick is murray! and heart should win over mind today! go murray!!!


Ben Pronin Says:

So Murray at his best is untouchable? I’ll believe it when I see it.


trufan Says:

Roger can’t pick up much points before Wimbledon. I think at Wimbledon, then Olympics, then the two masters, then USO – of those 7500 points, he is defending just about a 1000. He could move up radically at that time, more than anyone else (including Murray).

Murray lost 3 semis to Nadal last year, none even went to 5 sets. he doesn’t have it mentally to win big matches.


mat4 Says:

It will be a close match. Murray’s advantage is his first serve, although he serves about 50% of those. But Djokovic served well against Ferrer, so the difference there doesn’t have to be crucial, though it could be. Stroke for stroke, Murray has a heavier backhand, Djokovic a better forehand. Murray, with his style of play, doesn’t depend too much on his current form. Djokovic, who plays a very risky game, has to limit the number of errors.

For the rest, they are both vulnerable to changes of pace, Murray especially on his forehand, when he often makes cheap errors, while Djokovic doesn’t create enough pace on slow balls so he can be attacked.

The key, for Djokovic, will be to follow big shots to the net, and to not allow Murray to reset the rally once he has been displaced.

A key factor could be humidity. In 2008, Djokovic was imperial in the semi, played in the evening, and awful in the final, played in the afternoon.

I have watched all their matches so far. I do not agree with Ajet. At his best, Novak is so dominant that Murray looks bad, p.e. Rome 2008, AO 2011. Most of Murray’s win came in time of Novak’s crisis: middle 2008, 2009 – after the racquet change.

As a Novak fan, I can’t be objective and I always think that his opponents are more dangerous than they really are. I am afraid it will be a very difficult match, but I hope for the best.


trufan Says:

Right now its – can’t Djoke defend ALL his points, and then can Rafa defend his clay points, maybe gain some, and then Wimby finals, then USO finals. After French final, Federer has very few to defend until Basel….

Sorry, Federer has about 1700 points to defend, not 1000 as I stated above.


harry Says:

It appears that Nole is not going to play in the Davis Cup matches.

http://www.sbnation.com/tennis/2012/3/28/2907673/novak-djokovic-andy-murray-davis-cup


mat4 Says:

@Eric:

Just like you, I am convinced that if Roger makes it to no 2, Rafa will land in Novak’s half in Paris.


trufan Says:

Murray is also going to be out of touch a bit, not having played in 4 days.


bojana Says:

Murray is better then Nole according to Ajet but his/her head pick Nole to win.To me there is something wrong.


bojana Says:

Murray is better then Nole according to Ajet but his/her head pick Nole to win.To me there is something wrong.


mat4 Says:

@Ben:

Ajet is usually very reasonable.

BTW, did you read those interviews with Richard Ings on THASP? Quite interesting.


Eric Says:

mat4,
“p.e.” – vous avez exposé un témoignage de votre langage maternelle… :)


Ben Pronin Says:

Mat4, yes I did. Interesting stuff. Sen is making some serious headway over there. I don’t think anyone can claim it’s a “seditious site” anymore.

As far as tomorrow’s match, I definitely think Murray is within a chance. He’s not going to fold in a Masters final, it’s not serious enough for his weak mental game to really come into play. However, he did choke in Rome last year. And he almost choked in Dubai, too, but Djokovic was way too off to mount a serious comeback. And even in Cincy last year, put Nadal or Federer in Murray’s place and they win that first set 6-1 or even 6-0, not 6-4.

Murray also hasn’t been playing all that well. I mean honestly, what’s the concern for Djokovic? Second set lapses. I think Murray will give him a bigger challenge in the first set and that’ll only help Djokovic. It’s easy to relax when you won the first set so easily. Especially against two guys in Monaco and Ferrer who will battle until the very end.

In his past two matches, Djokovic got that look. The one where he looks like he’s clearly on a mission and nothing will stop him. He’s definitely determined. This isn’t Dubai. This is a Masters final where he’s the defending champion. He won’t let up. It’ll be up to Murray to rise up to the level that Djokovic is going to set.


Eric Says:

Ben, I agree. But Murray certainly has a very good fighting chance, especially since he is rested. I said in the old thread that “the final tomorrow will be one of the defining matches of the season, at least for Murray.” There is a lot riding on it for him: will he prove that he is in the same league as Roger, Rafa, and Novak, or show that he is still just a cut (however small) under them?


mat4 Says:

@Eric,

désolé, mais je n’avais pas lu tous tes posts. En tant que FFF, tu devrais savoir que Roger a quand même un status privilégié en France. Je n’exclus pas qu’il joue contre Rafa en demi, mais après l’affaire des guignoles, la réaction de Rafa, si Fed parvient à s’emparer du num. 2, ce qui est, il me semble, très possible, je vois Nadal dans la moitié du tableau de Djoko, avec un Chatrier à fond pour le Serbe en demi.

Quand à la langue… j’écris exchange au lieu de rally également, et plein d’autres calques orthographiés à l’anglaise.


Ben Pronin Says:

Fitness is so irrelevant in this it’s not even funny. Is Djokovic really going to be tired from a 2 hour 2 set match 2 days before a best-of-3 set final? Absolutely not.


mat4 Says:

I apologise for the previous post in French to all the non-francophone posters on this blog.


mat4 Says:

@Ben, Eric:

I also believe it will be a close affair.


Wog boy Says:

mat4, you can translate for us, we don’t mind:-)


mat4 Says:

@Ben:

Yes, SNR did a great job in the last few months. I learned more about doping there than anywhere else.

One consequences is that I am less convinced than ever that that the top guys are doped. They don’t need it. I have seen in a Wilander clip Rafa’s hyperbarric tent, Djoko has probably this egg in MC (though he spends his after-season in the italian Alps), Roger lives in Swiss… they already have all they need.

Then, they run a mile and a half per match. It is not what we tend to imagine.


mat4 Says:

@WB:

I tried to translate it in your own mother-tongue, but I have difficulties with preposition and cases. Basically, I wrote that if Roger makes it to the no 2 spot, Rafa would land in Novak’s half at Roland Garros, and for the first time the whole Chatrier would chear for Novak.


mat4 Says:

@Eric:

About Murray: you are very sensible there. For him, it could be a defining moment. He let his chance slip in Dubai, but now he can reassert himself.


Wog boy Says:

mat4,
Thanks, that also means that I will have to buy you a bottle of good drink, I don’t mind as long as Nole does well.


Wog boy Says:

mat4, btw I was close in guessing what did you write.


Wog boy Says:

I almost forgot, in that case I have to buy one for Polo too.


sar Says:

Is Djokovic really going to be tired from a 2 hour 2 set match 2 days before a best-of-3 set final? Absolutely not

Ben, I agree. If Nole could play a 4 hour match against murray and a 6 hour match two days later against nadal, he can certainly do OK here.


sar Says:

Mat4-
email me at sarshara2 at gmail.


skeezerweezer Says:

Wog boy,

Your offering drinks? Where do we all meet up????

This is a “crunch time” for the Murray/Lendl gig in a way. Lendl has had enough time with Murray to do some things, they both have owned up to working out some new stuff together, so we should expect some new stuff here….this is not last year Murray…..or is it? We’ll see..

Murray, like Fed, can bring some variety to the game. Will he do it? If he stays back in a bang fest with the current #1 it ain’t gonna happen…


Wog boy Says:

Skeezer, while back I said that in a case of Rafa/Nole match at FO this year French will cheer Rafa and I offered bottle of drink ($50 range) if it is going to other way around considering few things that new about French. mat4 and Polo acepted bet, since then I lerned few more thing in French/Spanish relationship and I think that I will have to by that drink if they play at FO.
As for meeting place, how about Serbia Open and Belgrade, it is halfway between all of us, good food and drink, nice weather, spring time, everything is blossoming, friendly people, best night life (ask American DC team :), I am married so I am not going to talk about the other things ( just got out of the bad books) and lots more, all of you can stay at my place and I will be your tour leader, I worked in tourism industry overthere and here in Aussieland, so I am pretty qualified to look after you, you will not regret, trust me:-)
Of course it has to be next year since FO is after SO.


Wog boy Says:

Disregard spelling mistakes, please. There is quite a few of them, I am in the hurry:)


skeezerweezer Says:

Wog boy,

So 2013? That may work for me…can we keep in touch? Its April May correct? ..sounds great!

No worries I will be married by then so no hanky panky.


Ajet Says:

bojana:

i pick djoker in head coz murray is prone to mental lapses and it’s been one for major reason for murray’s downfall in important matches. i have no doubt in murray’s game but every possibe doubt in his mind! Djoker’s always been ahead in the sense that he’s always remained greatly focussed from beginning to end or at least in the crucial moments of the matches! but murray’s the bad quality of not being able to remain focussed throughoutthe match, and that in the end makes a huge differnce in the match against fed/rafa/djoker! wish murray could fix his mental aspect! then he’d be tough to handl for anybody!

Ben Pronin:

I never said murray’s untouchable at his best, but then, neither is djoker! believe me, i think only roger’s at his best:untouchable! but murray’s certainly a tough nut to crack when mentally and physically and form-wise in shape! just look at the shots of the guy, he makes the shots look so efffortless and so easy, much moreso even than djoker! murray just has that magical touch more in him than djoker i believe! that’s what am saying!

if murray’s at his best, then no question of djoker straight setting him, it’ll be a very very tough match when both clash at their best, but i’ll tend to lean with murray more thsn djoker, coz he seemingly is the just a bit more talented player!


Michael Says:

This should be an interesting match and I would give the edge to Novak. It would be 55:45 in his favour.


Wog boy Says:

Skeezer, you are correct I guess I wiil be still around by then, will stay in touch.
Yes, no hanky panky , no way….:)


Wog boy Says:

Michael, I didn’t forget one single and one double drink for you too :)


Roger Federer Fan Says:

Its horrible that the match is scheduled right under the mid day sun.

Uncle Toni and Rafa are responsible for this. They are very close to the tournament directors.

This way they make sure that Nole’s lead gets reduced making it easier to Rafa to have a go at the No.1 ranking and also that Murray will get closer to Federer’s No.3 ranking.

Both these cunning cheats (Rafa and Toni) should be banned from getting anyway near the tennis courts.


Mark Says:

Go Muzz. You can do it. No problem!!


Dave Says:

Whatever I said earlier about a Lendl-infused Murray having a 60.254% chance of beating Djokovic, subject to the impact of Murray’s lack of match practice from the early loss in Indian Wells and walkovers in Miami, still applies.

Since after 2011 US Open till 2012 Miami final (including non-countable tournaments):

(1) Federer won 5,855 points, 6 titles;

(2) Murray won 3,810 points up to reaching Miami final (4,210 points if he wins Miami final), 4 titles;

(3) Djokovic won 3,700 points up to reaching Miami final (4,100 points if he wins Miami final), 1 title;

(4) Nadal won 2,600 points plus any Davis Cup final points (up to 280?), zero titles.

So for the specific one-year ranking period that began after the 2011 US Open to 2012 US Open: Federer is ahead of Djokovic by 2,155 points (1,755), ahead of Nadal by 3,255 points (2,975), and ahead of Murray by 2,045 points (1,645).

By winning Indian Wells, Federer overtook Djokovic as the 2012 year-to-date ATP rankings leader (Federer has 2,820 points, Djokovic has 2,540 points, Nadal has 1,800 points and Murray is in sixth place with 1,280 points). After Miami the year to date points leaders will be Djokovic with 3,140 / 3,540 points, Federer with 2,865 points, Murray with 1,880 / 2,280 points, Nadal with 2,160 points.

On the usual ATP rankings, there remains a mathematical possibility of Federer overtaking Djokovic as the No. 1 player if Roger wins between 2,000 to 3,000 points from the three clay Masters 1000 events before the French Open. The pressure on Djokovic to defend his Miami, Rome and Madrid Masters titles is tremendous. Of course Federer has to win those clay Masters (and Monte Carlo is not on his schedule).

As I said before, this year both Djokovic and Nadal could lose to a longer list of players (Federer, Murray, Del Potro, Tsonga, Isner, Raonic, Berdych, Monfils, Ferrer, Nalbandian, Nishikori, Baghdatis, Davydenko, Fish, Melzer, Tomic, Roddick, etc.). So far this year both Djokovic and Nadal have lost to such players. It’s conceivable that the four slams may be won by four different players, and in that scenario the No. 1 player in ranking points may not even need to win a slam (the great Rod Laver was considered No. 1 or co-No. 1 in 1970 without winning any slam… just one year after his Calendar Year Grand Slam in 1969).

Despite the Miami setback, Federer has more than a realistic chance of reaching No. 2 or No. 1 between Wimbledon to US Open (even if Djokovic wins Miami.


Ajet Says:

BTW, I would ABSOLUTELY HATE if djoker wins 3 slams this year too! so i hope nadal takes him down at FO and murray/federer beat him at wimby! i seriously want nadal to not win more than one slam in 2012, also don’t want djoker to win more than 2 slams at any cost! i would rather be most happy only if fed, murray and delpo win 1 of the remaining slams each this year!


Danica Says:

And I would be happy if Nole wins FO and gold Olympic medal :)). I don’t care about the rest. I would like for Murray to win Wimbledon since that’s where he is most expected to do well.

As for today’s match – I’m cheering for Nole of course. You never know with Andy, he is a really tough match up for Nole. However, I do think that this lack of play can hurt him.

So, GO NOLEEE!!! :))


Ajet Says:

Danica:

I won’t mind djoker winning olympic gold at all! ;)
however, if djoker wins FO, then I’d sure like it to be his last slam for 2012! ;)
2013, I would again start rooting for djoker!

but to be honest, the kind of favour djoker had done to fed and his fans by beating nadal in 3 conscutive slams, no amount of thanks would be enough! :D and as such, I may not that much mind him winning 3 slams this year, on that ground! It’d be crazy worrisome for me to witness if djoker replicates fed and rod as the only guy to win 3 or more slams twice in a year during career, yet at least it’d hurt me nowhere as much as it would hurt me to see nadal getting anywhere even close to federer in slam count! ;)

so depending on the situation

yahoo djoker or boooo djoker! ;)


mat4 Says:

@sar:

Is there a reason for that?


alison hodge Says:

Ajet i think i would settle for that the slams been shared out four ways,but if Rafa does not win a slam this year,id like him to win the YEC hypothetically speaking that is,before all the haters jump all over me lol.


Mark Says:

Ajet. Let’s say boooooooo djoker!!!!


mat4 Says:

Wog Boy:

Serbia Open it is, then.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

I believe when it comes to HC three setter, Murray would be the favourite of the Top 4 when they play against each other. Tt’s different when it comes to 5-setters, but in 3-setter, I would definitely favour Murray more than Novak. He does not have enough match practice, but that could be compensated by his familiarity of the conditions in Miami.


Wog boy Says:

mat4,

Done deal .

I’ll try to have a snooze, Nole/Andy starts 3am local time.

No predictions when Nole plays:)


racquet Says:

NEWSFLASH:

Murray to skip entire clay court season

“At a packed press conference at Miami’s Crandon Park, Andy Murray has announced his intention to skip the entire 2012 clay court season, including the showpiece French Open. The stunning move is believed to have been instigated by new coach Ivan Lendl, who himself swerved the Roland Garros showpiece back in 1990 and 1991.”

“I spoke with Ivan and it just makes so much sense,” said Murray yesterday. “At the French, I was looking at a semi at best, especially with Rafa around, so it’s down to me to get a head start on Nole and the others for my home grand slam. Right now, Wimbledon is my number one goal.”

http://tinyurl.com/cj6whmu


Michael Says:

Wog Boy,

Thank you for that. Atleast for the drink, I hope Novak wins.


Lulu Iberica Says:

For obvious reasons I’ll be rooting for Murray today. The number one thing I do NOT want this season is Nole to win FO! I wouldn’t mind if he got it at some point in his career, but please not yet! I tend to agree with trufan that if Rafa doesn’t win FO this year it will be all downhill for him. I’m worried about Monte Carlo, too. If Djoker steals his crown there…

I seriously lose sleep worrying about Rafa — like he’s my family member or something! Sheesh! Being a fan is stressful!


Michael Says:

I do think this Miami final is very crucial to Novak. If he wins this one it will give him the momentum going forward ahead of the Clay court season. He will also carry forward the confidence and has all the chances to spoil Nadal’s clay court season yet again. I do not think anybody can beat Nadal on Clay today except Novak.


Lulu Iberica Says:

racquet — it IS April Fools’ Day. Think this is for real?


Michael Says:

Racquet,

Is that true ? I am stumped by Murray’s decision. It just doesn’t appear sensible to me skipping an important major like the French.


Sienna Says:

Nirmal Kumar Says:
I believe when it comes to HC three setter, Murray would be the favourite of the Top 4 when they play against each other. Tt’s different when it comes to 5-setters, but in 3-setter

You cannot be serious? You have paid attention the last 6 months? Murray has got nothing on Fed absolutely nothing.


Michael Says:

I do not think Murray deserves to win this tournament. He had the toughest draw and ironically it became the easiest one with two walk overs.


Sienna Says:

Dave,

This is just the way Roger takes this year on. He is looking to get to #1 somewhere between Wimbly ,US Open or Olympics.

Wouldnt it be a dream if he could reclaim his birthright by winning Wimbledon 2012 lucky #7?

I am sure he has set his marker to reach that goal.

And with Nadal in a real slump Nadal is not certain to dominate the clay or even his Garros title could be a difficult task.

Fed and Murray have stepped up their game and Rafa has further declined this year so far. There comes a point where the scale tips in favor of Fed even on clay? I feel they Novak/Murray want to put a stamp on MC/Rome Where Federer would want to make his move in Madrid.

Rafa is under great pressure to defend his points.


Ajet Says:

if it’s true that murray skipped wimby, no problem! i like the way murray states that wimbledon is his no.1 goal!

Mark:

For today, for sure: Booooooooo Djoker!!!!!!!!! ;)
I’d obviously root for murray’s victory today! :D After all murray’s my 3rd most fave guy on tour!!


Ajet Says:

alison:

i would definitely like fed and rafa both to win more slams! even though nadal’s not my fave, he’s just a charismatic guy and extraordinary tennis player, he’s in a league of his own! thus, it’d be very unjust for nadal to not win more slams unless and until fed fails to win more slams!

i’d love to see fed to win 1 or 2 more slams and nadal to win 2-4 slams!

the ideal thing for me will be if fed wins one more wimby and one more french; and rafa wins two more FO, one more wimby and one more aussie; that way these two can be safe as legends of legends for a long time to come!

fed deserves to win one more wimby and one more french. similarly rafa deserves to win 2 more FO and one more wimby.

but the thing is if fed doesn’t win another slam, then for me, nadal should also not cross 12 slam mark! this is coz i want fed to head nadal by 4 slams(neither more neither less)!

thus if fed wins 17 slams, rafa must win 13!
if fed wins 18 slams, then nadal must win 14!
but if fed soesn’t win another slam, nadal should also not cross 12!

do you like my equation? ;)


Ajet Says:

alison:

in an ideal world, this is the way the career of these guys should end:

fed=18 slams
rafa=14 slams
djoker=8-10 slams
murray=2-6 slams
delpo= 2-4 slams
nalby=1 slam of his
and last but not the least, roddick should win his desired wimby!


Ajet Says:

of course, ideal world in my previous post means ”my ideal world”! ;)


Brando Says:

@wogboy: NO WAY will the French cheer on rafa over nole. I’m not French nor Spanish but the way the fans treat rafa at RG has been nothing short of disgusting. That crowd has it’s favourites and from the non French players it’s federer at the top and rafa way down at the bottom. Trust me, nole will have good support UNLESS he plays roger, where just like last year, they’ll give him a hard time.


Brando Says:

As for the final today- it has to be nole for me. Just look at their form this tourny- it’s obvious nole has been the better player!


Kimberly Says:

I think Murray skipping the clay court season is an April fools joke.


martini Says:

I think it´d be great for the sport if Murray could close in even more on the top three.
Plus, he´s a much more graceful winner than Djoko.


carlo Says:

Murray missing clay season has to be a joke, right? tell me it isn’t true.


Kimberly Says:

carlo, clearly you can tell from lendls comments at the end it is a joke.


Kimberly Says:

Lendl, who reached the Wimbledon singles final in 1986 and 1987, losing to Boris Becker and Pat Cash respectively, is well-known for his contempt for European clay.

“Look at the true greats of the game – Krajicek, Kodes, Savitt and McKinley,” the eight-time slam winner told the assembled media. “They were all fine Wimbledon champions whose names need no introduction.

“Compare them with the imposters who won the French: pushers like B. Borg, R. Laver and R. Federer – I mean, who are these guys? Clay is for lightweights playing powderpuff Europiffery. And it turns your socks pink.”


Brando Says:

@Carlo:

its DEFINATELY a joke- its only being reported on his website, and there wasnt ANY such presser in the first place.

To andys credit, it seems like his joke has worked on some :-)


racquet Says:

Yes, it’s a joke. It had me for about 40 seconds. Quite a creative one. hehe


skeezerweezer Says:

Got another one, non tennis but i am sure we all can relate since we are here ;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3qM05C9hMI&feature=youtube_gdata_player


carlo Says:

hhahahahaha I didn’t read the link before posting. Good one, Muzz/Lendl :D


carlo Says:

Just hope this is a competitive 3 set match. I want some tennis today.


Brando Says:

@Skeez:

LMAO, good luck to apple- try beating that!


racquet Says:

The Sony Ericsson Open website just posted a photo of Andy & Nole warming up together!! Kinda odd, no?


carlo Says:

another joke, right racquet?


carlo Says:

The match is close to starting, isn’t it?


Kimberly Says:

yes in about 15 minutes, i am going to the gym so will miss the first set prob but i will be back for the next two (hopefully)


racquet Says:

@carlo
Not a joke. Look:

http://tinyurl.com/dxyx7ps


carlo Says:

Well, that’s really sweet and nice but…


Kimmi Says:

lets go! hoping for three setter too


carlo Says:

No nice guy, Andy. Come on.


racquet Says:

Hoping for a good competitive match. Hope the lack of match play doesn’t affect Murray.


dari Says:

About to leave from playing tennis? How is AM looking?! Like everybody, am hoping for a great three set match- go Murray!


Eric Says:

Andy looking good. Slightly (very slightly) better in the first few games – but in a spot of trouble now. Got up to 40-0, now at deuce no. 3 after saving two break points. Novak is “cranking it up,” so to speak. Both playing very well!


Ajet Says:

it’s so good to hear that the match is gonna start!


Eric Says:

I should say the problem is that Andy’s first serve, which had been very good for the opening 10-15 minutes, deserted him after 40-0. Hopefully it returns. :)


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Sienna..I thought Murray has a positive H2H against Roger. I’m not sure what your point is?


Eric Says:

Nope. Djokovic up 3-1. Andy a bit sloppy in quite a few of those points, Novak just too good in others.


Eric Says:

Nope. Djokovic up 3-1. Andy a bit sloppy in quite a few of those points, Novak just too good in others.


racquet Says:

Murray broken. But Nole doesn’t seem entirely settled in either.


Ajet Says:

damn djoker!


Ben Pronin Says:

They both went up in their services games and decided to forget what they were doing. Except Djokovic woke up as soon as he faced break point. Not really sure what all the scrunched up expressions were about.

I can’t say the quality is particularly high at the moment. They’re both well in the negatives with regards to winners-errors and both seem to be pushing it in fear of the other one. That’s why Djokovic is in the lead, he’s been a little more daring in his shot-weight so far.


Ajet Says:

step up you stupid murray!!!


Brando Says:

Both are playing pretty rubbish atm- its just murray is WAY MORE tentative than nole!

Like i said before, nole will win- and in straights!


alison hodge Says:

Ajet@10.36am, sorry about the late reply,that would be fine with me,any slam for rafa on any surface would be fine with me to be honest,another fo would be another career gs for fed,another ao and uso for rafa would be another carrer gs for him,who knows anything is possible,looking forward to it though,just hoping for a great year for my guy,whatever happens.


Ajet Says:

oh, i don’t want djoker to become the second federer! everythingb seems to be working for djoker at the moment! he can’t go on defending title after title! hard to digest!

c’mon murray, please don’t let yourself down!


Eric Says:

Ben, agreed about the fear. Murray’s game plan appears to be “move Djokovic around until he makes a mistake,” Nole’s is “wait until Andy lets me hit a winner, then do that.” Within those terms, the quality (when I made my post 20 minutes ago) was quite high – foxy, interesting tennis in the first few games. Now it’s just “who can make fewer errors on important points.” Andy just staved off another break on a bp he should never have been facing.


Ajet Says:

wtf murray!!! fight fight!!!


Eric Says:

And another error gives Nole 5-1.


Ben Pronin Says:

They’re both more or less pushing still. Eric, yeah there were a few foxy points but that’s not how most points will ever be played out, even between these two. Just too many errors from both guys. I’d say Djokovic’s are at least errors on shots he’s going for too much on. Murray’s just pushing balls into the net.

Super aggressive point from Djokovic there.


Lulu Iberica Says:

Even when Nole is making a lot of errors he just has this other gear he turns on at the crucial moments. I used to be able to say that about Rafa… Nole domination continues…


Eric Says:

Ben, that’s fair.

And Nole takes the first set 6-1. Time for the second set sea-change…


racquet Says:

First set Nole. Disappointing so far. Only intermittent moments of brilliance from Djoko. Turn it up Andy!


Ben Pronin Says:

Best 4 points Djokovic has played all match.

So that first set was pretty lame. Both guys are just waiting for the other guy to make a mistake but Murray clearly has no idea what to do on the big points. He could have broken Djokovic several times, too, but he’s way too tentative. Djokovic at least went for it on the break points and that’s why the score line is so lopsided.

But if Djokovic is feeling relaxed and can keep up that aggression he just showed in this last game, I’m not sure Murray is up for the challenge. He also needs to loosen up and get aggressive but I’m not sure he has it in him, especially being down a set. He’s not exactly a grip-it-and-rip-it player, even when playing from behind.


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic is serving at 69% and lost 1 point on his second serve in the first set… pretty much tells you everything you need to know.


Mark Says:

C’mon Muzz settle down. You can beat him.


Eric Says:

Hmm… ” Murray clearly has no idea what to do on the big points.”

Disagree. Murray is constructing points as well as ever, but he can’t execute. Take this first point in the second set – he moves Djokovic way off the side of the ad court with a great shot that Nole does manage to return. Murray is ready for the winning volley….but flubs it.

Down 15-30 already…


mat4 Says:

So far, so good.


Sienna Says:

Nirmal you estimate the chances of Murray overtaking Fed because he had a few matches overhim in 2008/09 You do know Fed has won 5 of their last 7 meetings.

Meanwhile
Murray is getting schooled today. Could be match toughness he lacks due to the W/O’s he had or he is just not up to it.

So that leaves a big hole in my estimation of the rest of the season. I count on Murray to upset Nadal / Djoko a few times.


Kimberly Says:

a friend of mine who is at the match just texted me that so far was not worth the drive down even though he was given tix for free. just got home and turned it on. Was the first set that bad?


trufan Says:

ha ha, Murray getting a good beat down!


Eric Says:

Kimberly….frankly yeah, it’s turning out that bad. Well, maybe not if you just like watching Nole win. :)


Kimmi Says:

nole is playing well, but c’mon andy..you are better than this!!!


Kimberly Says:

that last point was kind of nice. but im thinking of turning to the thunder bulls game if murray gets broken here


Ajet Says:

seems like murray’ll most of the times not stop being tentative. whenever he’s not been tentative, h’s always played brilliant, but when tentative, he’s lacklustre! subpar match from murray. much consistent djoker.

too bad that the mental thing is more important than talent. seems like my head’s pick is going to win after all, not glad about it though. :(

only if guys liek safin/nalby/murray hadn’t been this f###ed up in their minds, they may’ve been so much more succesful. :(

Mark:

murray is just spoiling his chances in this match!


alison hodge Says:

glad to see that the 2nd set is more competitive,a very dissapointing 1st set.


Ajet Says:

if murray gets a beatdown in this match, then my remaining hopes of lendl maing any difference to murray’s prospects would also vanish. it’s so sad to see that it’s murrays’s mind which is his biggest and worst rival. :(

very ver disappointing so far. :(


Skeezerweezer Says:

If Nole wins this his confidence remains high. Clay season lookout!!!!!!!!


Ajet Says:

djoker fans must be grinning right now.


Daniel Says:

Murray survied 2 0-30 games and saved some BP’s. Djoko is with the clear edge. His shots doesn’t aim finishing points.


racquet Says:

What a point! C’mon, more like those please.


Sienna Says:

I always feel thathe is to much of a counterpuncher. He should develop some kind of weapon/ or an attack mode he can switch on when he plays these matches. WHen he is on his game and so are the other top 3 guys he just cannot seem to win the match. WHen the other guy is a litle subpar he can beat them but not when both are on par.


Daniel Says:

Ajet, Djoko is just the more offense player. As it is Murray will never be an offensive player. He may mature more but he just won’t change. The match will never be on his racquet.


Kimmi Says:

aaargh, horrible. you cant give nole so many chances. every game he struggles to hold.


Eric Says:

134 mph…


Kimberly Says:

murray hanging in there


Kimberly Says:

meanwhile, just ran a few miles and did my jumps and feeling pain in my left knee, just like rafa hahahaha


alison hodge Says:

kimberly maybe its sympathy pains lol?


alison hodge Says:

muzza not putting any pressure on nole,noles just playing his game,by getting the ball in play,muzzas struggling all the time to hold serve,dissaponinting muzza relying on novak missing.


mat4 Says:

Muzza is always relying on Nole’s missing.


racquet Says:

Much better game from Andy. Going for his shots a bit more. Just needs to break to liven things up.


Sienna Says:

But Djokovic his level is dropping again . That is a real pattern in this tournement. Murray just the type of player to take advantage.

ANd why can the AMrican HC masters not get any fit persons to judge the lines or retrieve the balls. I know weight is an issue in the US but people come on.


Daniel Says:

Murray efforts kept him in. Djoko should have broken alteady. Maybe Murray can outlast him?!


Lulu Iberica Says:

Sienna, I don’t know! It’s kind of embarrassing. There are plenty of fit (and beautiful) people in Miami! My dear hubby is fit — just biked 100 miles today!


mat4 Says:

Nole doesn’t play well, and Murray plays the best he knows. Tense.


racquet Says:

Murray holds and grimaces on the last point. A brek here would be peachy.


Eric Says:

break, Andy! break! give us a match!


alison hodge Says:

go muzza i want to see a 3rd set.


Kimmi Says:

djokovic could finish these points at the net, but he is staying back..


mat4 Says:

@Kimmi:

I too noticed it.


Sienna Says:

It might not be the nicest thing to judge a tournement on or people on btw. Overweight doesnot have to mean that person is unfit or unhealthy but when you want some kind of statement to make to the slams. Then I feel ypou should pay attention to every detail and it just doesnot look good for a finalmatch.


Lulu Iberica Says:

Awww, come on Muzza!


sar Says:

Mat4

Got a nice photo to show you of me and Nole and one of me and Justin at IW


Kimmi Says:

danger zone here..awww DF!!


Kimmi Says:

saved..phew!


Kimmi Says:

2 big serves to save him. if only he was consistent serving?


the_mind_reels Says:

This has not been a very good match from either guy. Both guys are going through patches where they look very sluggish. Lots of UEs from everywhere, and Murray can’t defend his second serve. Djokovic should have wrapped this up already, but he looks gassed every 10 minutes, and Murray is coming up with big serves at the occasional clutch moment.

Curious to see if Murray can squeak out this second set, but somehow Djokovic always seems to find a way.


Lulu Iberica Says:

Murray is just being too reactive, hanging back. Gah!


alison hodge Says:

come on muzza hold.


Kimmi Says:

great hitting.


racquet Says:

These exchanges are so tense!


Ajet Says:

what the hell is happening right now???? my net connection is on and off!

please muzza, take the 2nd set and then beat djoker!!! please!!!


Kimmi Says:

big serving just at the right time


Ajet Says:

give him the set you bloody djok!


Ben Pronin Says:

I can’t believe Djokovic couldn’t break with all those chances.

But even more, I can’t believe Murray did not have a single break point in this entire second set. When’s the last time that happened?


alison hodge Says:

uurgh the dreaded tie breaker,reminds me of penalty shootouts in football.


Ajet Says:

i dunno wht the hell was murray thinking during the 1st set! just if he had been a bit less tentative, the match coulda been that much close! argh!


racquet Says:

Wow! Great rally.


Ben Pronin Says:

That slice/drop shot was one of the most incredible shots I’ve ever seen.


Ajet Says:

i give up hope, probably that’s it for murray! can he really take the TB??? if he can, then may be i’d have something to watch for! btw, you should never root for murray with all your heart!


Ajet Says:

what’s happening guys, please tell!


racquet Says:

^^That slice/drop shot was one of the most incredible shots I’ve ever seen.

Yup.


alison hodge Says:

Ajet yeah exactly,dissapointing match imo.


Kimberly Says:

ajet lol, im rooting for murray for once and finding it quite frustrating


Ben Pronin Says:

Murray serving down 2-5.


Ajet Says:

please murray, jjust do something to win tb, don’t give up!


Kimberly Says:

5-3 djoker


alison hodge Says:

Ajet noles leading the breaker 5/3 atm.


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic serving 5-4.


Kimberly Says:

if murray can extend this to a third i think he has a chance


Eric Says:

Nole to serve at 5-4.


Kimberly Says:

can novak close out these two serves?


Ajet Says:

uh oh, it’s so damn frustrating! murray supporters can never be tension-less :(


Kimberly Says:

chapionship points, one on his serve


alison hodge Says:

match point novak grrr.


Kimberly Says:

seems inevitable


Ajet Says:

c’mon you greedy stupid djoker, give murray a set! we want more tennis you sucker!


Kimberly Says:

done, djoker wins.


Ben Pronin Says:

The king still reigns!


Ben Pronin Says:

The king still reigns!


Ajet Says:

i’m finished! :(


Eric Says:

Never would have expected Murray to be less of a fight than Juan Monaco…


Kimberly Says:

i guess the answer to seans question is djoker is the winner, murray is the fool, and i am the fool for rooting for murray when i should have just stayed neutral.


the_mind_reels Says:

Congrats to Novak. Wasn’t pretty from either guy today, but he was certainly the better player.

Onto the clay. I heard Mary C. say that Nadal was already in Europe practicing on the dirt — seems his knee injury wasn’t too serious then.


Wog boy Says:

TO MAJSTORE

NOLE CARE

NOLE FOR PRESIDENT


dari Says:

I tell ya, these Murray losses hurt me more than fed’s lately
Congrats to novak keeping the train going even in an ugly match


racquet Says:

Congrats to Nole and his fans. Wasn’t the highest quality match – they both had 38 UFEs. Don’t think it’s an indicator of anything much as far as Andy is concerned considering the lack of matches/walkovers. Now roll on Monte-Carlo and the clay!


Ajet Says:

ben:

djoker is giving me fits already! he’s become as dominant as federer! he’s just on a mad killing spree defending title after title!

looking at the result, i’m heart-broken! and am not the only one who must be felling worried about djoker again probabaly picking up 3 slams this year! watching this match, nadal must be feeling even more worried than he was! federer too must be feeling surprised at djoker’s supreme prominence!


Skeezerweezer Says:

Congrats Jane, wog boy, mat4, duro, sar, and all the awesome Nole fans!can hardly wait to see him on Clay. Nole ole ole!!


mat4 Says:

Kudos to Murray and Murray’s fans. Playing at his absolute best, he has once more confirmed that he, without doubts, deserves to be the no 4 in the world.


Mark Says:

Bloody djokass!!!!


Leon Says:

Congrats to Novak’s fans. Your man stood firm!


Lulu Iberica Says:

Congratulations to Novak. He turned it on in the important moments.


El Flaco Says:

racquet Says:
Congrats to Nole and his fans. Wasn’t the highest quality match – they both had 38 UFEs. Don’t think it’s an indicator of anything much as far as Andy is concerned considering the lack of matches/walkovers. Now roll on Monte-Carlo and the clay!
———————————————-

The courts are slow, the balls are heavy and they both play great defense. That is a recipe for more unforced errors than winners.


Duro Says:

Golden, golden boy…

Thank you dearest champion. You make us proud and happy.

And now, lets collect some points at Monte Carlo.

Nobody touches The Number One!!!


racquet Says:

“Playing at his absolute best”

Odd sense of humor.


Skeezerweezer Says:

jane

U can stop cleaning now ;)


jane Says:

Very close second set!! Murray just didn’t have it going in set one and Nole was more aggressive when he needed to be throughout the entire match. He plays the big points “just a little bit better” per the commentators (oops almost wrote announcers, which would’ve made Colin mad, :/).

First time Nole defends a masters title. So now he’s defended a slam and a masters, which is awesome. And he has a threepeat in Miami. Nice!! :)))

Muzza, to me, still needs a better second serve, though it was better in the second set; he was able to win a lot more second serve points throughout the second set. Nole won 63% of his second serves. His second serve is becoming strong as that’s a good stat for him lately. His first could still be better at times.

Interesting what the commentators said about coming to net – Nole 14 times versus Muzz only 6 times. Muzza should be coming in much more with his soft hands and natural touch at net! It’s surprising he doesn’t take advantage of that more. Maybe on clay and grass he will.

Anyhow, their rivalry remains close. Always at least one nail-biter set, and often, too, one lop-sided one in their matches.

Onwards to the red stuff….


Ben Pronin Says:

Ajet, defending title after title? Hmm, he’s 2/4 on title defense this year. I guess he is as dominant as Federer was, but he still has a long way to go to get to Federer. We’re not even half way through this season yet.

But there are a lot of great takeaways from these past 2 tournaments besides Djokovic’s dominance.

Nonetheless I’m extremely pleased he beat Murray. Way too many people were giving him all this credit for Dubai, and a close match in Australia, and blah blah blah. He’s still a role player, he has a ways to go. Novak is the real deal.


jane Says:

Love Murray he’s so sweet and such a nice speech.


dari Says:

There were some very deep second serves from Murray that i saw here and there. Risky, but helps the cause when it works.
He was getting the forehand a bit flatter and deeper towards the end, too, but matched that progress with some untimely errors.
Just keep working murray!
I can’t believe its clay already!!
***************
“SWISS tennis player” mwah hahahaha


Ben Pronin Says:

Wow, CBS skips the ceremony to show us commercials. Sigh, typical.


Ben Pronin Says:

What did each guy say in their speeches?


Ajet Says:

if nadal was obliterating the RG field like chenghez khan and federer was subjugating and humiliating the whole tennis world like alexander, this djoker is also defeating all rivals like mighty napoleon!


jane Says:

Ben, Murray said Nole deserved it as was the “better player this week”, Nole said Murray made the second set “really close and match could’ve gone either way” if he won the second set. And now they are both being DROWNED IN BUBBLES! I kid you not. :D

Both such sweet cool guys and awesome players; I hope to see many more matches between these two guys!

Skeezer didn’t clean today; house remains a sty. ;)


mat4 Says:

@racquet:

Why odd? Nice way to brag.
.


Ajet Says:

Ben:

djoker has won two biggest tournaments so far and going by the result today, he’ll be a huge danger for nadal! nadal really needs to be ON to beat djoker, but if nadal plays as nervous as murray played today, then nadal’d have only himself to blame!

and i sure feel that nadal at his best on clay is vastly superior to djoker and can definitely tame him! i have ot seen a murderous player like nadal of 2008 FO yet! but nadal most of all needs to believe in himself! or nadal’s misery against djoekr will continue throughout clay season, just like lack of belief in himself while playing nadal has prolonged federer’s misery!


Brando Says:

Congrats nole! As I said in 2 sets!


chrisJ Says:

Congrats Nole, never ceases to make me proud!


Brando Says:

Re clay: IF nadal believes in himself- he’ll beat nole! IF he doesn’t nole will win. It’s ALL about how rafa feels. IMHO, I reckon he’s ready to stop collecting RU trophies!


carlo Says:

Why I don’t rely on ESPN or CBS: they go right to something else and don’t bother showing speeches and trophy ceremonies. Live streams from Eurosport or Al Jazeera sport have less commercials or no commercials, show changeovers and the full trophy ceremonies.


carlo Says:

Congrats to No1e and fans! He was calm, confident, magnificent.


mat4 Says:

@Ajet:

Did we watch the same match? Novak was nervous, not Murray. Andy said that he is in such a shape that a few days without playing wouldn’t hurt him. Then, he used the new strategy against Novak: to defend and wait for errors. It was a great concept by Lendl.

Novak didn’t play well. He was under a tremendous pressure: if he had lost, the British media would almost instantly promote Murray to real no 1! He never managed, until now, to defend a master title. Come on! He couldn’t even break Andy in that second set.

Murray is a safe value: he has never disappointed in clutch finals, the result, with him, is known in advance. Once again, he has proved that he is a deserved great of the game, and I believe that he could break Pete’s record of 286 weeks, but at number 4.


jane Says:

Agree carlo – saw it all on streaming, including after ceremony interview and commentary amongst those in the booth.


sar Says:

Good win Nole. If he can win MC I think he has a chance at RG.


mat4 Says:

@Ajet:

“i’ve no doubt in my mind that gamewise if both are at their respective bests, then murray’s gonna win.”

“nadal at his best on clay is vastly superior to djoker”

No comment.

(Ok, I am joking all the way. But I can’t help myself…)


alison hodge Says:

yeah well played nole,congrats all his fans,jane nina,duro,mat4,wogboy etc etc,your man was a worthy winner,comiserations to margot and all the murray fans cant remember who they all are,cant wait for the clay season to start.


mat4 Says:

@alison:

Didn’t know margot is a Murray fan. I shouldn’t make so much fun of Murray.


Superhuman Says:

Bravo Nole!


jane Says:

mat4 you must be sarcastic, yes? I am sure you have said before how dangerous you think Murray is. Has your opinion changed? You are so sardonic that sometimes it’s hard to tell you’re joking!


Ben Pronin Says:

Murray: always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

I really wanna do a write up of these two events but my laziness may get in the way.


mat4 Says:

@jane:

Yes, I am just bragging. I am very happy that Murray, despite all his talent, his strength, hasn’t got a clue what he should do to become better.

And that he is a choker…


carlo Says:

what I watched was a confident, determined Nole when Nole was serving at 6-5 Murray; Murray fought to get it to deuce but Nole denied Murray even one set point. Even a botched smash didn’t deter the #1. He held. Probably too close for comfort that 2nd set for the most avid Nole fans.

Everyone’s expectations and how they view a match, depending, is different. But Nole was calm – solid on most important points. Nice win.


trufan Says:

Murray put in his rightful place. Lendl can go home now. He is wasting his time.

Now Nadal will win a couple of titles, and then his season ends too.


mat4 Says:

@jane:

I was earnest in the post to alison. But, yes, I was a bit nasty (sardonic is such a gentle way to say it) toward Ajet.


jane Says:

I get it now mat4.


Andrea Says:

Congrats to novak. Confirming again that you can never put your money on Murray. Gifted to the final, fresher than Novak, Novak not playing his best and Andy still can’t win a set.


Ajet Says:

mat4:

ok, djoker is vastly superior to nadal on clay!!! now I’m joking too!!! ;)

and also murray was playing at his absolute best today! again joking of course! ;)


mat4 Says:

@Ajet:

I am sorry. But usually you are so full of sense, writing intelligent posts, and in the last two days… I just don’t know what happened to you. I didn’t mean to offend you whatsoever.


Wog boy Says:

Thanks to all of you posters from Nole fan who is up from 2:30 am watching his man defending first master title.
Carlo, you are right, it is hard to watch if you are Nole fan. I do share your opinion about match, particulary now when I am watching it again at 6:30 am with my third double shot short black. It is going to be looooong day but I don’t mind, my man is marching again.
Cheers to all and my Nole fans whereever they are:)


Kimmi Says:

congrats to djokovic, the way the match was going you could tell he will play better in the tie break.

He must be a happy to win this just before clay season. cant wait for clay to start.


Ajet Says:

bye bye fed and rafa, why you guys just don’t retire??? we all know djoker just cannot be beaten till the last match of his life! so it’s obvious your slam doors are closed!

and murray, dude, you should as well give up tennis!

all should make way for djoker in fact!

all hail novak djokovic: the greatest ever!!! ;)


steve-o Says:

Congratulations to Djokovic.

I don’t think you can say Murray choked. He played very well in the second set.

Djokovic’s serve has been a revelation in this tournament. It was the serving that prevented Murray from getting an edge. Although the rest of his game was excellent too.


skeezerweezer Says:

“nadal really needs to be ON to beat joker”

So, he wasn’t on the last 7 times they met?

btw I would argue the 2 biggest tourneys so far in 2011 are AO and IW, Miami is right there also, maybe even or #3, but not over IW.


carlo Says:

Thank-you Wog Boy. Enjoy! :) I feel this is a needed boost going into clay season.


jane Says:

steve-o I’d love to hear what you think about his serve; I have particularly noticed the second serve.

mat4, i think Ajet just feels Murray is way better than Nole and therefore s/he feels in most circumstances Murray will win their matches, this is going by his/her 4:18 post yesterday which has Nole only winning in a couple circumstances. That’s his/her prerogative to think this way.

Personally I feel the rivalry is much closer, as the H2H indicates, and that Nole does some things better than Muzz whereas Muzz does other things better than Nole. Nole is just naturally a more aggressive player; whereas Muzz has more natural talent at net, for example. I find it interesting, though, how many of their matches feature at least one lopsided set, and then one tight one at least too. I wonder why that is, if they are tentative against one another because they are not sure of what to expect, or what?


mat4 Says:

Time to be serious.

They played under difficult conditions, and the pressure was big on both. Andy didn’t serve well in the first set, but toward the end of the match, he became better on serve. Hopefully, he didn’t serve quite as well in the breaker.

He is a tough nut for Novak to break. Novak, most of the time (in the second set especially), doesn’t approach the net even when he sees that Andy will slice a backhand in defence and reset the rally. (Roger is much better at doing it.) Then, Murray’s FH tends to break after some change of pace, but it worked this time, although Andy didn’t generate enough power from that side.

But Nole served quite well, and he played an excellent tie-break. A point here, a point there, and he won the match.


mat4 Says:

@jane:

I really didn’t mean to offend Ajet, just like I wrote above. Come on! I wasn’t that evil after all…


jane Says:

No I didn’t mean to imply that mat4; I was just saying to you “don’t let it get your goat!” ;) That’s all. You have a really dry humour; if you were a stand-up comedian I would picture you with a very straight face!


steve-o Says:

@jane: I think he served with great precision, especially the serve down the middle and the wide serve to the deuce court. I think he concentrated on placement of the serve rather than overpowering Murray, it helped him get a higher service percentage.

He also backed his serves quite well.

He likes this court a lot, three titles don’t lie.


jane Says:

Yes, thanks steve-o, the down the T is a serve he used more this week i noticed. True, he does like the Miami court and I think he has a sentimental attachment to the place too as it was his first “big” title, i.e., Masters. He was the youngest to win it I believe.

Anyhow, looking forward to clay.


mat4 Says:

@jane:

My son has the same sense of humour. Very dry, very British. But we like to laugh very much. Writing can be quite misleading.

I promise to write some smilies next time.


jane Says:

I like it mat4. Don’t write smiles on my account. I find the ambiguity very … poetic.


carlo Says:

steve-o says:

He likes this court a lot, three titles don’t lie.”

Makes me think of the saying, “Courses for Horses” lol

Monte Carlo is Nadal’s. But can a new ‘horse’ win?


mat4 Says:

@Steve-o, jane:

Nole works on placement for some time now, especially down the T. Against Ferrer, in the first set, not only the placement, but the speed was good too. In the second… it was awful. Usually it works at the beginning of matches, when he is fresh, but this time, I was pleasantly surprised.


Ajet Says:

skeezer:

first of all, i was talking of clay. and yeah, nadal was not at his best last year on clay. he was tentative(although partly that was due to djoker’s play) and somehow i see that hunger in rafa has come down since winning USO 10.

nadal’s best i saw at 2008 and 2010 FO. nadal also played super-duper hungry and motivated in french open 2005 or even 2006 and 2007. nadal doesn’t have that energy these days on clay. no wonder, nadal’s longest run on clay of 81 matches was estblished between 2005-07! that nadal i am pretty confident would have beaten djoker of 2011. and the very fact that djoker wasn’t able to dispose off fed in RG, strengthen this belief of mine even more. no matter what you bring in, match-up or stuff, but i just can’t believe nless otherwsie shown that nadal is far superior on clay than djoker. I mean, can anybody even touch nadal of 2008 on clay??? i guess not!

btw mat4:

if you say sorry, i also say sorry. i wasn’t surprised that you were sarcastic in your posts w.r.t. me nor i blame it for you, passion for sports often goes a little out of the way for all of us and we get engaged in heated dicsussion and refutals of each other’s theory. i myself have been gulity of that on many occassions, being a temperamental guy! so i understand if you became a bit irked by my belief in murray! it’s natural and even healthy that while you have belief on djoekr and i’ve on murray. that’s quite ok.

btw, i wrote the posts these 2 days due to my love and passion as a muray fan! so sorry, if it hurt you much! it’s understandble! coz i mysef get irked if somebody says that fed/murray/nalby are easily beatable by nadal/nole! so i can get it, and don’t get offended.

in fact, i’ve learned qite some technicalities of tennis from your posts and i have no problem with you or any other nole fan! but passion sometimes gets in between! ;)

thus, let the offending and getting offended stop from our sides! i enjoy your posts and have no hard feelings for you.

sorry btw for my April 1st, 2012 at 4:38 pm sarcastic post. no more sarcasm from me in future. but that said, the next time your djoker meets my muzza, i’d again cheer for muzza!


Ajet Says:

jane:

i don’t feel murray’s way better, but just feel he’s the more natural shot maker! and i love natural shot-makers! for example, when djoer hits BH, it looks like he put lot of effort into it! but when muray/nalby hit it, it is effortless! i like players playing effortless silky style tennis, that’s why prfer murray! and i also alwsys believe the morr natural shot-makers are more perfect tenis players, so in all probabblity they’ll win more than lose against the guys who play less smooth tennis! playing natural is a gift that murray has, djoker also has it, but just a bit less imo. that’s why i believe when murray’s 1st serve’s clicking, his physical and mental state ok, his game just flows more naturally than djoker, and hence i give him edge over djoker imo.

other than that, how can i say murray’s way better, especially as it’s not the fact, even though my 4.18 postn makes it look contrarily! i also be;ieve murray at best is just a bit better than djoker at best, and that being a bit better should make the big differece inn the end though.

however, one thing tha is crystal clear is that murray’s only a great talent & player, but djoker due to his great game and most importsntly ”champion determination” has been able to take that one more step which murray’s miserably failed to take so far; that step which is winning the important matches!
i think murray’s a bit more talented, but djoko is actually a real and far better ”champion”.

i admittedly believe though that if muray fixes his mid-match menatal lapses, focusses well and his form is on, he’s just good enough to beat anybody as much as they can beat him!


Kimberly Says:

look, to say Djoker overall is better than Nadal on clay is ridiculous, we are talking 6 RG titles to someone who never played a final. Federer has played four finals and won one title. I would say Djokovic is the third most accomplished clay player of the active players to date (although an argument could be made for robin soderling, as he played two finals at Rg but no master titles etc etc.

But tennis is a what have you done for me lately sport and Djoker was probably the best player on the surface last year. Is he better than Rafa? IMO not against the other guys. But can he beat Rafa, obviously. I think Djoker is in more danger of losing the Ferrers than Rafa but he matches up well where he can certainly take out Rafa, certainly in a best of 3. I’m sure he will win against him on clay this year, once if not more.

However, assuming the knee recovers, if I were a betting person, i would hesitantly lay my $100 on Nadal in a best of five.

Meanwhile Rafa knees are shot and the heat are losing to boston big time and murray lost and sharapova lost grrrrrrrrrrrrrr


steve-o Says:

How has Nadal’s motivation waned, Ajet? He made seven straight finals from IW to RG. Four of those he lost to Djokovic. He made the Wimbledon and USO finals as well, again losing to Djokovic.

If not for Djokovic, 2011 would have been a more successful year for Nadal than 2010: the IW-Miami double on top of everything he won in 2010, with the possible exception of Tokyo. We’re looking at nine or ten titles: three Grand Slams and five Masters among them.

I make this point again and again: there has been no decline in Nadal’s game in the last year and a half. He has simply been comprehensively outclassed by Djokovic.

Arguably Nadal is playing better than ever: he has been in seven of the last nine major finals, including the last four straight (which he has never done before). I would not bet against his making his fifth straight at RG.

Last year he was in ten finals overall (including three major finals and five Masters) but he lost six of them (two majors, four Masters) to Djokovic.

This year Nadal has made at least the semis of every tournament he’s played. Were it not for the mastery of Djokovic and Federer, he probably would have won AO and IW. So there is no slippage going on.

The injury hysteria is totally unfounded. The reality is that his “injuries” have had no significant impact on his results over the last year and a half.

It is almost solely Djokovic that is responsible for his current travails.


jane Says:

I see where you’re coming from Ajet.

Kimberly of course Nole isn’t better on clay for the reasons you stated. Nadal tops Borg on clay imo, due to his 81 match streak and his overall consistency on clay – even if Nadal doesn’t win a 7th FO, although I am certain he will; indeed, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up with 10 of them.

I just want Nole to have one FO before he retires, so he gets the career slam.


alison hodge Says:

id like to say congrats to Jane on winning the bracket challenge,all in all a good day for you well done,gooo Jane.


Mila Says:

“I just want Nole to have one FO before he retires, so he gets the career slam.”

On the other hand, I want Novak to have at least 5 FOs before he retires!
There is the difference between two Novak fans. It’d be boring if we were all the same, would it not?


jane Says:

Mila, well, 5 would be nice too. :) I just don’t one that one elusive one to go missing, you know like for Sampras (FO) or Lendl (Wimbledon). Nole being the youngest dude to reach semis of all slams suggests he can win em all so I hope he does. We’ll see. He has to reach a final first!

Thanks alison. You did really well and for a while were up top. Clay is Rafa’s time so you can clean up.


mat4 Says:

@Kimberly:

Just like jane said, you can’t really compare a player who has won 6 FO and 15 ms on clay with… anybody else, Borg excepted.

The story of the top 3 is mostly a story of good and bad match-up, of day, of luck, of few inches here and there. They all have had great seasons, they all show a will to dominate that I haven’t seen… since Connors maybe, and all three are playing for a place in tennis history more than anything else.

I would disagree with Ajet (once again) on talent and “natural”. Roger made perhaps a mistake to start a bit late (but he became father in the meantime), but Roger, Rafa and Nole demonstrate a deep understanding of what they have to do to become better. It is a long process – Roger needed a year to improve, Novak two, Rafa did it step by step, but they had a vision.

Andy still wanders.


mat4 Says:

@Steve-o:

Basically, I agree. I would add that Rafa was perhaps at his best in 2008, before he changed a bit the motion of his FH. The FO that year was the best I saw him play on clay.


alison hodge Says:

thanks jane yeah not too shabby for a 1st attempt,right now i dont know about rafa on clay,i would not bet against nole as he seems to be the one whos brimming with confidence,and has all the momentum atm,however time will tell i suppose,looking forward to the challenge for rafa anyway,bring on the clay.


Kimberly Says:

montecarlo 2010 or FO 2008 were his best clay performances


Kimberly Says:

meanwhile a slow hard court is suiting djokovic and the dirtballers ferrer and monaco and apparently fish is complaining. I disagree with skeezer we here in Miami refer to the sony ericsson as the fifth slam so congrats to djoker on winning it.


Eric Says:

lol Miami the fifth slam? well we here in SF like to say the Bank of the West Classic is really the most important tournament of all, so… :)

But seriously, where does this idea that Miami is more prestigious than Indian Wells (or Cincy, Canada, Rome, etc….) come from?


mat4 Says:

@Eric

Have you noticed that Djoko had change his position on the return, moving a bit to his left? I am not quite sure now. But Andy usually likes to serve to the backhand.


jane Says:

i don’t know Eric; in fact the Canadian Masters is one of the oldest tournaments as far as I know.

But there was a piece at SI.com recently about whether IW or Miami is the “5th slam”. I have heard Miami called that before, so it’s not the first time.

http://tennis.si.com/2012/03/29/the-toss-indian-wells-miami-compete-for-fifth-slam-status/


mat4 Says:

@jane:

… written by an American…

For me, Rome is the best MS.


mat4 Says:

Sorry, I read this article before. It is between CMG and … so, two Americans.


Eric Says:

I think the whole idea is ridiculous. Yes, IW and Miami have bigger draws and hence one more round than (all?) the other Masters, but pretty much all the top 40 are at every slam, no, so there’s no real reason to say one is more prestigious than the others. But that’s just my opinion…


Eric Says:

erm, every master, not every slam! sorry!

Anyway, the WTF are the “fifth slam” by any reasonable definition.


Wog boy Says:

It is nice to know that Nole won his 30th title today, even nicer that 17 are big ones, 5GS, 11 masters, 1 WTF.

I watched it again, I think Nole’s agression when it mattered prevailed.

Go back to his first coach Jelena, she said that she used to force Nole to play from inside base line with exuse that he is still little boy and doesn’t have enough power, but in reality she wanted to develop more agression in his game.


Wog boy Says:

I love Rome, the only place that vast majority cheers Nole:)


steve-o Says:

@Wog boy: Not at the clay-court tournament his family set up in Belgrade? Surely everyone cheers for him there.


Mila Says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHxZn1mqNUE

The last point in HD. For those who read Serbian, check out 1:50 of the video when Novak signs a camera lens. Priceless!!!


serbian hammer Says:

Its as it should be.serbiaaaaa!!!!! 6:1 7:6
And Djoker kneels before no one.Dont runaway Murray,there is more of that to come.


Mila Says:

Hammer,

He only used one “a” at the end, not four of them like you :)


jane Says:

Wog Boy, yeah, they cheer nicely for Nole in Roma. I think it’s the talk show appearance, his Italian, and his joie de vivre that they appreciate there.


Kimberly Says:

Eric, the Williams sisters don’t play Indian wells so right there it demotes the tournament, where as everybody plays Miami. But I think if you ask someone from california they would say IW is the fifth slam and someone from Miami we would say its us.

IW and Miami are longer with larger draws and more prize money than the others. It’s a full seven rounds with a bye for the seeds son6. Many of the masters the seeds only play five. The draw is 128 same as a slam but there are less entrants because of the bye for the seeds.


Kimberly Says:

Miami has been contending its the fifth slam since it was the Lipton several name changes later,recall being the nasdaq it still makes the same claim,


Wog boy Says:

steve-O,

Belgrade doesn’t count:)

I like this IW&Miami beeing fifth GS, means Nole has ten of them:)

jane, I really love new Roma stadium, Just beautiful!


Dave Says:

Despite outplaying Murray and deserving his 2 hour 18 min victory today, Djokovic could have been beatable had Murray showed up with his A Game. Novak was fortunate that rusty Murray made 39 unforced errors and had a mediocre first-serve percentage of only 55% with three double faults at wrong times. Murray was not match sharp and looked patchy through much of the match against the battle-hardened Djokovic. Andy needed the first as match practice just to start getting competitive in the second set. But other than flashes here and there of what tactics he and Lendl had prepared for the match, Murray just wasn’t able to implement his game plan consistently even in the second set.

Was Murray undercooked? Since Dubai to before the Miami final, Murray spent only 7 hours and 20 minutes on court during back-to-back Masters 1000 series events (due to walkovers from Raonic and Nadal in Miami, as well as his early exit in Indian Wells). In the same period, the battle-hardened Djokovic spent 18 hours and 11 minutes on court.

All in all, both camps (Djokovic and Murray) should be happy where their guys are at. Now Djokovic can get a head start on everybody by practising early at Monte Carlo. Lots of tennis to be played still…


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jamie Says:

NID.


jamie Says:

Nole will win Monte Carlo as well.


jamie Says:

Ferrer will win Barcelona.


jamie Says:

All might change in Madrid.

Nadal’s short window for winning titles will be in May/June. During the Madrid/Rome/French Open period. That will be his great period.

After the clay season, the likes of Federer, Murray will enter a great period.

After the grass season, Djokovic and Del Potro will enter a great period.


Leon Says:

Missed that camera signature. Made me smiling!
Well, I hope Roger will not yield to temptation to enter MC. Let it be a ND-RN internal affair. If Roger has smth big to say, there will be other possibilities.


dari Says:

There are some great pictures of the trophy ceremony around, the bubbles- ah!

Maybe there will always be an excuse, but Murray maybe suffered from the days off. Didn’t get a chance to practice aggressive tennis and continuously work out the forehand.

Leon, you said it- Roger, don’t fall for the bait! I really dpnt think he will


Mila Says:

It is nice to see that at least some of western media is starting to accept reality. From Garber’s piece at ESPN today:

“It’s been 15 months since Djokovic won the 2011 Australian Open and announced himself as the successor to Roger Federer and Nadal as the best tennis player on the planet. Yet, the doubts, though waning significantly, still creep in on occasion.
A piece of advice after the 24-year-old Serb’s muscular, 6-1, 7-6 (4) mastery of Murray: Knock it off! Snap out of it! Suspend your disbelief and accept his breathtaking brilliance — especially when the numbers and every other indicator suggest he’s facing an uphill battle. Remember those two match points he saved against Federer at last year’s U.S. Open?”


Leon Says:

All Kudos to Novak, but Garber’s piece is pure crap, distorting both the history and the presence in so many points even in such a short passage cited. Neither Novak nor even his fans need this, I’d suppose.


Brando Says:

IW/ MIAMI? Neither is the 5th slam. IF there was one surely it is the YEC! IW/MI is ONLY really pushed by US based followers. Based on history, surely Rome qualifies for this title moreso than any other.


Kimberly Says:

YEC is a totally different format without a knockout format it’s completely different. IW and Miami have a similar format to a slam minus the best of five.


jane Says:

“Based on history, surely Rome qualifies for this title moreso than any other.”

What history? I am not disagreeing, but just curious. I know the Canadian Masters dates back to 1881!

I tend to agree that the fifth slam would seem to be the WTFs; however the problem with that is that it’s round robin and only the top 8 play, whereas in a masters it’s standard knock-out format and the top 40 usually play.


rave Says:

well, that was the most boring match, and I gave up my Zumba class for this. Congratulations to Nole and all his fans, a well deserved win. He is the master of the ball.

Dave, I love reading your posts. They are well researched, with links to back up your post. They are also written so well that it is easy to understand and follow you.

On another thread, a poster writes that Nole feels this is the tougher era. I wonder if Dave can address that, because this tough era thing is becoming annoying.

My personal opinion is all the eras are tough. Roger had to face tough talented players like Safin (kind of reminds me of Murray, all that talent), and Roddick and Hewitt were no cake walk. Roger had to contend with Nadal too. SO how can his era been a weak era. I think ROger was so dominant and talentd, like Nole is at this time that he made it look easy.

In the Nole era, who do we have, the choker, the oft injured one, the arrogant one who is not in his prime. And others like Delpo, Ferrer and Tsonga are no threats for Nole.The same argument can thus be made of Noles winning at this time. Don’t get me wrong I think Nole is uber talented and I do think he will get even better. he may break Rafa’s and Roger’s records, but that remains to be seen.


Ben Pronin Says:

Tsonga and Del Potro are threats to Nole, not on a consistent basis but certainly in a given match. And Ferrer recently whipped Nole on an indoor fast hard court.

What does Federer being arrogant have to do with how good or bad he is?


Brando Says:

@Jane:

I only said rome based on its history, since i know that it has been running for a long while.

I did not know about canada masters running for that long either.

Ultimately, we have 4, and its fine as it is.


Mila Says:

Predictions are tough and by definition uncertain and I always admire when a journalist put himself out and predict a winner. That said I could not help but compare two prediction for today’s final.
The first one is from this very post by Sean:
“In 2009 I picked Murray (and he won), but I’m taking Djokovic in this one. While Murray has clearly made progress in his game thanks to Lendl, I still don’t think it will be enough to beat Djokovic if the Serb is playing like he did in the last two rounds.”

The second one is from ESPN by Peter Bodo:
“My takeaway from the way things played out here is that Djokovic isn’t as focused and determined as he was at this time in 2011. He’s vulnerable to lapses of concentration and motivation. I expect Murray, who’s on an upward arc and has fresh legs, to exploit those successfully and win the title — unless Nole gets a stomach bug or something and Murray gets the title … via walkover.”

While I have no problem with wrong prediction, as I said earlier, it is noticeable how differently these two guys write – Sean’s prediction is just that, with no disrespect to Andy or Novak. On the other hand Bodo’s prediction has that smelly air of snideness about it. Sean was right, Bodo was wrong.
If we ranked tennis journalists like tennis players, Bodo’s ranking would be way below Sean’s (likely outside Top 50). Yet, somehow I think Bozo makes way more $$$ than Sean. Tennis journalism works in mysterious ways…


Mila Says:

Sorry, in the last paragraph above it should read Bodo and not Bozo. (“z” and “d” are close when you type fast…)

And here is the link to his prediction:

http://espn.go.com/sports/hot?id=7758612


Eric Says:

Well, Bodo is a bozo, so it worked out pretty well.


Brando Says:

re nole dominance:

Look, let’s just keep things in perspective here. He’s the world no.1, he won AUS open this year- naturally he’s the fav going into most tourny’s, especially hard.

In miami, he did not face either of his 2 big rivals: rafa and roger.

He faced a murray who had 2 walkovers, struggled against tipsy and was businessman like in his other matches. Remember, he also lost early in IW. Hence, nole faced a player who like MOST expectewd he should beat given all these things.

Let’s just be happy that the best player in this tourny won- we shouldnt read anything else into it!

As for the clay, some early thoughts:

1- Rafa: ONLY lost to nole in the last 2 years! IF rafa feels good, plays his best, then a clay sweep is possible for him, certainly capable of it.

2- Nole: Rafa’s TRUE challenger, and IMHO ONLY rival on the red stuff. IF he wants RG its best he beats rafa prior to it- he can do so. BUT his problem is that federer is better than him on the red stuff, murray had his best match on clay against him and the lkes of ferrer and delpo can cause him problems. Long story short- he’s better on hard than clay.

3- Federer: 2nd best player on the red stuff, BUT he has problems with rafa. The rest he can handle, IMHO he’ll reach a final in Madrid/ Rome /RG- im not too sure on which.

4- Murray: He wont win any big title- BUT could cause problems. We’ll see if lendl makes a difference or not.

5- Delpo: the REAL DARK HORSE. He’s been very consistent this year, pushed nole the most at RG last year prior to fed, pushed rafa at DC, has pedigree at RG. IF he’s fit and in form- i think he’ll be the big story in the clay season.

Honourable mention:

Dvid Ferrer: He’ll be tough to beat, BUT IF big boys are on song- expect them to win.


Tennis Fan Says:

Djokovic’s tennis is not of the calibre of Federer or Rafa … and those that think he will even get close to those other two’s records are smoking something that is illegal in the States. (but not in Canada)

Federer back to #1 by the end of the US Open.


Brando Says:

Bodo saying that isn’t as motivated, hungry or dialled in is ABSOLUTE BS!

The truth is that rafa, roger and andy have improved – at least their results say so far this year compared to last!

Rafa: 2011:

SF- Doha, Qtrs- Aus, RU- IW, Miami.

2012:

SF- Doha, RU – Aus, SF-IW,Miami(Withdrawal).

Bar his loss to federer at IW and his withdrawal, generally he’s been playing better at this point than last year. His one match with nole was also his closest since MI last year- so a step in the right direction there.

Roger: 2011:

W- Doha, SF- AO, RU- Dubai, SF- IW/MI.

2012:

SF- Doha (withdrawal), SF- AO, W- rotterdam, dubai, IW, 3rd- Mi.

Bar the miami shocker- an obvious improvement.

murray: 2011:

RU- AO, 2nd- IW, MI.

2012:

SF- AO, 2- IW, RU- Dubai, MI.

An improvement here also.

Hence, there is a good case to make that the others have improved so far this year.

Further, nole has played the top 3 on 4 occassions this year: he’s 3-1 to the good, BUT bar the MI final- the other matches he won were really close!

So all in all, nole is as motivated as ever, its just the chasing pack are stepping up their game as the situation demands it!


rave Says:

I do not think Roger is arrogant, just being sarcastic, repeating some of what the posters here and elsewhere. BTW, I am a die hard Fed fan.

Will be interesting to see what happens during the clay season, Jamie’s prediction aside. I think Nole can really take it to Rafa on the clay. Hope Murray rights his ship, he has a lot of talent.

As always, I will be rooting for ROger to win everything. Hope springs eternal, without it might as well crawl into a cave.


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic is 6-1 against the top 10, 5-1 against the top 5, and 3-1 against the top 4.


jane Says:

Ben, and 20-2 on the year with a slam and a Masters. I am content.


Daniel Says:

Kimberly is right,

Apart from the Slams, and WTF, Miami is the most prestigious title. I heard the fight Slams talk 10 years ago here in Brazil academys. All of this basically due to the fame of Bolitieri academy. Anyone who played competitive for a while n=knows it. Miami is a Tennis meca, sort of saying. No wonder why so many great players emerged from there.

Miami and IW are the only ones with 96 players draw. Miami has more pedigree.


skeezerweezer Says:

Daniel,

“Miami has more pedigree.”

Hows that?


Kimberly Says:

Well there were some serious Serena capriati matches back in the day that I recall


skeezerweezer Says:

Mens side?


Kimberly Says:

The site of Fedals first five set match, haha how about that


Michael Says:

Novak has once again justified his ranking. He played solid Tennis and for a change his first serve percentage clicked. Murray I thought played an ordinary match and as usual the first serves deserted him. However from the back of the court Murray was matching Novak shoulder to shoulder and that was a surprise to me. In any case, Murray just doesn’t deserve to win this tournament because of the withdrawals which ofcourse was not his fault. In the end, the better player of the tournament won and I am happy for Novak. He has got the momentum needed for him ahead of the Clay court season and I think now he is heading to Monte Carlo. Will be able to beat Nadal there and thereby break his streak of eight wins ? For Novak, nothing is impossible. He has alredy beat Nadal in clay twice and that too in straight sets and I think he has now become a better player on Clay than on hard courts. Montecarlo should be very interesting indeed and I am eagerly looking forward to it.


Michael Says:

Tennis Fan,

I do not know how you have come to the abrupt conclusion that Novak’s game is not upto the level of Roger and Nadal ? Ofcourse Roger, yes. His standard is at a very different level and when he plays his best Tennis there is no one who can beat him. But as regards Nadal, I think Novak matches him and is equal. Novak is just 24 and he has good 5 years where I am sure he will have many opportunities to break records.


Michael Says:

What I admire most about Novak is never-say-die-attitude. It is that spirit which enabled him to register seven consecutive wins against Nadal and that too twice consecutively on Clay. But I am afraid Novak is not showing his 2011 form and he is playing somewhat below par. If he is still able to beat the best that shows his game has elevated to the highest level. A Great player should be able to win even when he is not playing well and Novak is proving that by his performance.


Dory Says:

It’s SOOO GOOD that Roger and DjokerNole are winning all the titles this year. I am in heaven. :P


skeezerweezer Says:

@K

Lol…ok you got me there…

Tell you what…from a fans perspective…you go to IW and I’ll go to Miami then will talk?


El Mago Says:

One of the worst matches I’ve seen. It is the 1st time an atp match made me feel like smashing my TV. This quality, I expect from WTA, but from ATP no.1 and no.4? Pathetic!

Nevertheless, Congrats to Nole. He got the job done. Murray boy, that was disgusting tennis. In the 1st set your game sucked. In the 2nd set you dragged the already tentative nole game to your own suck-@$$ level and almost drove me and most tennis spectators, to insanity. If you do that one more time, I will hunt you down and b!tch slap you. Oh yeah, I am gonna slap Lendl and judy too. LOL!

This has been one of the worst tennis tournaments in my 20 years of watching tennis. A fitting finale to finish the tournament. The WTA part was, I cannot believe I am saying this, much better quality of tennis wise.


Superhuman Says:

Keep on dreaming Tennis Fan, first nobody from the current tennis elite will take No1 spot from Nole. Nole is here to stay for at least 3-4 years. In addition Nole’s tennis is out this world… It is out of this stratosphere, don’t you get it?


Dave Says:

Rave: “On another thread, a poster writes that Nole feels this is the tougher era. I wonder if Dave can address that, because this tough era thing is becoming annoying.”

In modern tennis history, this current era of a group of top players (Djokovic-Federer-Nadal-Murray) is similar to the era of McEnroe-Connors-Lendl-Wilander in 1983 to 1985 (McEnroe and Connors were supplanted by Edberg and Becker). From 1982 Australian Open to 1990 Australian Open those six players won all except four Slams (Kriek, Noah, Cash, Chang — yet three of the four losing finalists were from those six players). So it is quite unique in tennis history to have a group of consistent players consistently dominating the tour like that. One could argue that it was tougher to do this in the 1980s given tennis tournaments were played under a more much diverse range of conditions in the 1980s (court speed differences, ball differences, more indoor events, etc.). Lendl probably would have won at least two Wimbledons had the grass courts been as slow, consistent and higher bouncing as they were when Nadal and Djokovic won their Wimbledon titles. The value of a career grand slam has been lessened as a consequence.

However, just because a group of top players consistently dominates today does not mean this is a tougher era. The geriatric and incontinent Federer recently won 83 consecutive matches against players ranked outside top 19 between 2010 Halle to to 2012 Miami (interestingly, both those defeats were to former No. 1 players and Slam champions from Federer’s generation — Lleyton Hewitt and Andy Roddick). Djokovic (3), Nadal (11) and Murray (7) in their prime all have several losses to players ranked outside top 19 during this period. Even in Federer’s prime from 2004 to 2007, he never had a 19-month streak against players outside top 19 (5 losses in 2004, No. 101 Gasquet in 2005, No. 21 Murray in 2006, 5 losses in 2007, 4 losses in 2008, 1 loss in 2009). Does this indicate that the field is less deeper today than it was in earlier eras such as 2004 to 2007?

The enduring toughness of the Federer era was on display recently. No, not geriatric Federer’s two crushing defeats of Nadal at 2011 World Tour Finals and against all odds in 2012 Indian Wells. It was geriatric David Nalbandian who gave a tennis lesson to the worried Nadal in Indian Wells recently, see link. The slow court and wind were perfect for Nadal’s topspin, yet Nalbandian should have won that match in straight sets had he been physically fitter and match sharper (Nalby played an average of only 30 matches per year in the past three years). Geriatric David Ferrer has been ranked No. 5 in 2011-2012, exactly where he was in 2007-2008. Nikolay Davydenko, who first became a top 5 player in 2005, has a 6-4 winning record over Nadal (Davydenko’s six wins came between 2008 to 2011). Since 2010 Nadal has suffered 11 of his 27 losses to Federer-era players: Federer (3) , Davydenko (2), Ferrer, Roddick, Ljubicic, Mardy Fish, Melzer, Baghdatis. Since 2010 Djokovic has suffered 14 of his 25 losses to Federer-era players: Federer (5), Nadal (2), Ferrer, Roddick, Ljubicic, Rochus, Melzer, Youzhny, Llodra.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trq3p_-QkX8

Federer was simply a unique player in tennis history — he dominanted the overall field so dramatically (including everyone from his age generation) during his prime while losing so few matches for four consecutive years. Anyway you look at it, reaching 16 finals in 17 mostly big tournaments is only one of many other sick accomplishments of Federer. Federer, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Nalbandian, Ferrero, Coria, Nadal, Davydenko, Ferrer, Agassi, Gonzalez, Ljubicic, Henman, Moya, etc. were all tough to beat when they were on even though most were not able to consistently maintain their level (as a consequence, Federer had to fight off several diverse challengers during his prime). But many of the early Federer era players beat and supplanted most of the Sampras era players into history.

I said the above just to counter simplistic claims that this era is tougher than the past. In general, yes, all eras are tough. Are all eras equally tough — no, some are relatively slightly more or slightly less tougher. And each generation tends to improve slightly over previous generations. But no one has had a cakewalk in mst generations. Your goal as your era’s greatest player is to solve the problems presented to you in your era. Your goal as an all-time great player is to solve the problems presented to you in your era better than other all-time greats have been able to solve in their eras.

I hope this helps resolve your delirium, I mean dilemma.


Dave Says:

Djokovic’s No.1 spot is not as secure as some think. There are so many possibilities. For example, if the unlikely happens — e.g., Federer wins two out of the next three clay Masters and Djokovic loses early in Monte Carlo, Madrid and Rome — Federer could take over No. 1 before French Open.

The 3,635 point gap between Federer and Djokovic is not insurmountable. Even stranger things have happened in tennis history. After all, in mid-May 2009, No.1 Nadal held a 5,200 point advantage over No. 2 Federer, yet Roger took over the No. 1 ranking just seven weeks later.

And don’t write off Murray. I think Murray might have at least one big win over the top three clay courters Nadal/Federer/Djokovic during the clay season once he is match sharp. Rusty Murray was subpar (in unforced errors, returning and first serve) yet still pushed Djokovic in the second set. He could easily wake up and catch fire one morning.

Djokovic hasn’t looked invincible so far this season, despite brief flashes. So I wouldn’t rule out any key player (Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Murray, del Potro) from the No. 1 ranking at this early stage of the season.


Mila Says:

Dave,
As someone who likes to write long post and use lots of facts and stats, you should be able to make distinction between “theoretically possible” and “realistic”.
Your statement of 3635 point gap being not insurmountable reveals either lack of tennis knowledge or eager fan’s wishful thinking. You should know that in all normal likelihood i.e. realistically, it is indeed insurmountable lead – given the circumstances.
You are talking of a guy closing a 3635 point gap over a guy that dominated him 4-1 in last year. In addition, that same guy has won 10 of the past 14 majors or ATP World Tour Masters 1000s in which he’s taken part. So theoretically yes, Roger can catch Novak and be No.1, even Tipsarevic can do it, but how likely is that to happen??? Remember Dave, it is Novak that Roger needs to catch, a guy with 10 of the last 14 major tourneys; in this case, it’s silly to apply your math without considering the circumstances. It is called conditional probability, and in the case of Roger closing the gap it has shrunk to close to zero. (note I do not claim it to be zero)
And mentioning Nadal’s loss of 5000 points when he was not even playing is “apples and oranges” thing. Novak will likely be playing this year barring some Seles-like incident.


Eric Says:

Mila, I think he is well aware that it is not expected or likely, but it’s certainly possible. Novak could lose early at one or two of the clay events — by definition, you don’t expect an upset — and that would certainly imperil his no. 1 ranking, especially if Rafa sweeps the clay masters which he probably would if he doesn’t have to play Novak (or Roger, who certainly can beat him, yes certainly even on clay, if he actually stays focused and resolute).

But anyway, yes, of course it is quite unlikely. Personally, I imagine the clay season will turn out much the same as last year in terms of top-four points. Hopefully Roger will pick some up, and maybe Rafa will finally figure out how to beat Novak, but otherwise, again by definition, no one expects huge surprises.


King Federer Says:

Federer’s chance to get to no.1 is surely a million times tipsarevic’s chance? What next from jingoists? that troicki’s chances to win RG is comparable to rafa’s chances to win the same?

The other gem : Novak will be playing barring a seles-like incident. Is that the only reason tennis players CANNOT play tennis?

You got to love how some people are desperate to play the “we are victims card” perennially!


Wog boy Says:

Don’t forget that after MC, difference between Nole and Roger will be more than 4000 and between Nole and Rafa 3000. After MC we have Madrid, Barcelona and Rome, even if Novak doesn’t play until FO he will stay #1, regardless. Do your maths people.


mat4 Says:

I remember well the 2011 season. Novak didn’t look invincible too, except maybe at the AO, when he produced his absolute best.

Then, fan or not, we have to acknowledge that Roger and Rafa are two among the greatest of this game in the last 40 years, if not the greatest. Novak, with a bit of luck, with prove that he belongs to the top too.


Wog boy Says:

mat4, all what Novak needs is one out of three coming masters and he can laugh. Monte Carlo would be master strike but also hardest out of three. That would set Nole cushion of 4000 (Rafa) 5000 (Roger) , I rounded numbers.
Then he can relax until FO:)


mat4 Says:

WB:

You’d better do like me: expect nothing, and enjoy every single good result. Novak’s fans expect too much from him lately. Nothing is granted. Rafa could sweep clean the cc season, Roger win Wimby and the USO, Murray make some surprises… They all play that well.

I am happy Novak works on his shortcomings. He tries to improve his serve. He has improved his transition game and his volley. That’s what matters.


mat4 Says:

Another thing:

Ajet wrote earlier that Murray, at his best… blabla…

But, having watched a lot of Murray’s matches, I sometimes have the impression that “his best” is rather what we think he can do, not what he really does. He never was at his best (once, maybe, against Rafa?).


Wog boy Says:

That was just my thinking, to be honest I was worried that Novak can end up like John McEnroe after his best year, since Novak won AO and Miami that is not a worry any more. So far so good.


Ajet Says:

After a super bad yesterday(with murray playing mediocre and losing to djoker in straight sets), some super good news for me today!
Taylor Swift wins ACM Entertainer of the Year!!!
SUPERDUPER HAPPY!!!:D :D :D

What better for me than seeing federer winning slams and taylor winning Grammy/ACM Entertainer!!!
Life’s Good again! B-)


Sienna Says:

Still a bit disapointed by Murray’s first set performance. You cannot trust to play a final and skip the first set against a top player like Djoker.
I really counted on Murray to get in the mix. Maybe he will at MC. He has the game for the slowturf.

Meanwhile Djoker has won 2 big tourney. Roger has won the other one and he has won multiple events where the top players where attended.

Iam not at all impressed by the Novak 2012 version. He can be beaten especially by Fed. They just have not meat yet. Every surface Fed has the upperhand I feel. Especially Clay, Grass which is comming NOW.


alison hodge Says:

the seasons still young yet,so i hope for an open and well contested year,Rafas best surface is clay so hopefully he will come into his own and have a good run,im hoping for a well contested rivalry between muzza and nole,and i do hope its not going the same way as the Rafa/Nole rivalry,with muzza having doubts everytime they play each other,of course Roger can never be counted out on any surface,and hopefully Delpo will start to make a much and long awaited impression,all to play for early days,and exciting times ahead,bring it on.


trufan Says:

The fifth slam is the YEC – you have to win at least 4, potentially 5 matches against fellow top 8 players of the year. Not even in a slam does one have to do that – even in a slam you have to face MAX 3 top 8 players to win.

That’s why it has 1500 points for grabs, more than a masters.

Fed has 6. Nole has 1. Nadal? 0.

Now, if the YEC was played on clay… it would be a different story.


trufan Says:

This was a bad loss for Murray. He just doesn’t have it. Even though Lendl has tightened up his forehand, he just doesn’t have it.

With all the new players coming up, he could retire as the best player never to have won a slam.


Duro Says:

“The 24-year-old Djokovic is the first player to win the tournament without losing a set since accomplishing the same feat in 2007, when he beat Guillermo Canas to pick up his first Masters 1000 trophy.”

ATP.


trufan Says:

Roddick lucked out at the 2003 USO thanks to Nalbandian, otherwise he would have been the best player never to have won a slam.

But Murray is in a league of his own for this “honor”!


alison hodge Says:

in the wtf you can loose a match in the RR stages,but still get to the final and win the thing,in a slam you dont have that luxury,you loose and your out end of.


trufan Says:

Murray has 8 masters titles, but none on clay. In fact, he doesn’t have a single title on clay. He doesn’t even have a single final on clay!!

Seems like Murray’s season is also over, at least until the grass season starts. Now its Nadal and Djokovic, with perhaps federer looking to do some damage.

I was a bit surprised to see how weak Murray’s results have been on clay. Making the semi regularly doesn’t really matter much.


trufan Says:

Alison,

Ya, that’s true. But remember – ALL the 5 matches are against the top 8 players, the 8 hottest players of the year. There are no easy matches.

And you still have to win the last two. No RR there.

It is mathematically not possible to play FOUR top 8 players in a slam, if you are yourself top 8. Let alone 5. But in the YEC, you have to play FIVE top 8 players, and win at least 4.

That’s tougher than a masters tournament, where the first 2-3 rounds are usually easy ones for the top seeds.


trufan Says:

Murray on clay = Nadal on indoors. Both draw a blank.


Wog boy Says:

Looking at Nole’s records it is obvious that he enjoys playing in North America, seven masters (few more finals), one GS (two more finals), nice record for 24 years old:) isn’t it?


alison hodge Says:

Ajet i know how dissapointed you were about muzzas performance and loss yesterday,and believe me i know how you feel,so im glad Taylor winning a grammy has cheered you up,nice to see someone with a voice like that getting some recognition for a change,instead of the mariah carey type warblers,take care.


Steve 27 Says:

trufan your statement is inexact, Nadal won a master 1000 in Madrid 2005 and played another three finals in important tournaments like Paris Bercy 2007, Rotterdam 2009 and the most important in indoors, WTF 2010. Did Murray played at least one final in clay? I dont think so, please find more and dont write nonsense.


Steve 27 Says:

Tell me Dave is Wimbledon is so slow like a CC, why Roddick is reached 3 finals and 4 semifinals and in RG he only reached the 4 round? Tsonga reached the last two years a quarterfinals and a semifinals in Wimbledon and he probably will never reached the quarterfinals in RG. And what about Murray, since 2008 his worst result is a quarterfinal in the grass, when in RG is really vulnerable in this courts and he probably will never reach a final in this slam. For the contrary, I think he will reach his first final this year in SW 19 and who knows, his first major.
Nadal with only 17 reached a 3 round, this performance told us he would become one of the best tennis players of his generation in grass and also of the great of Wimbledon in the Open era.
Quenns is not real grass like Halle?
why so hard to recognize?


Lei Says:

Ewww Taylor Swift to music is not the same as Fed to tennis. That girl can write songs but she can’t sing! More like reciting. She’s even worse live.

@alison Of the warblers, only Beyonce has won more Grammys than Taylor so I don’t know where that “getting some recognition for a change” is coming from. Even Mariah in her entire career only has 5. And btw, it was an ACM award that TS won NOT another grammy.


Ajet Says:

guys, i don’t blame you much for your differenc in opinions regarding which is or should be called 5th slam! i can see that clearly why’re you taking dfferent positions! from the look of it, it seems that a MS event is being called by you as 5th slam depending either on whether you live in its proximity or dependin on some locally created hype or depending on how many times your guy won it! bit of emotions involved there!

i mean coz fed’s 4 IWs, his fans claim it to be 5th slam, djoker fan claiming miami to be 5th slam as djoker won it 3 times and likewise…
but the fact is far from it!

LET’S FACE IT:
YEC is the most important tournament after slam! In fact the YECs have always been the most important since like forever, placed just below the slams!

thus, let’s not waste time over what’s already clear as crystal, i.e. YEC is the most important tournament after slams!

so whether you call it mini slam/5th slam/minor slam/baby slam/lighter slam/deputy slam/junior slam, it depends on your liking! i leave that to you as to how would you describe the 5th most important tournament on tour!


courbon Says:

to MAT4:
Absolutelly agree with you-I’m Novak fan but do not expect him to clean sweep like last year.Any trophy (specialy on clay) would be great.Great analysis as usualy.
To Jane:Got it right again…and whats happen with the cleaning?


Ajet Says:

Lei:

you hands down won the retarded comment award of the year for your ”That girl can write songs but she can’t sing!” comment, !!! CONGRATS!!! Thats some award as well!!! ;)

However i don’t think you’re retarded by any means as you’re right in saying that talor is not to music what federer is to tennis!
obviously girls like shakira, madonna and whitney houston are always gonna be remembered as at least the most famous women and great singers too!

but well, i don’t care much about them! i respect them and admire them, but taylor to me is so much more!!! the whole world doesn’t have to agree with me in this nor i would care what the rest of the world thinks, so far as i can see the unlimited talent of taylor! she’s the loveliest, sweetest, nicest, most gracful, most composed, a fairy tale princess she is! she has the sweetest and loveliest voice in the world! and she’s just so incredibly lovely and just so impossibly beautiful! I LOVE TAYLOR SWIFT!

And what she has already done by the age of 22 by winning 6 grammys including the youngest ever to win grammy’s greatest honour: ALBUM OF THE YEAR!!! onl country singer to wi MTV female video of the year award(in fact only country singer to win a MTV video award!)

The whole world of real music lovers can see how great taylor is really! so doesn’t matter if you think she can’t sing, right? ;)


Ajet Says:

Lei

for me GREATEST:

in tennis:federer(by not so far)

in music: MJ(by far!!!)


Dave Says:

Mila: “you should be able to make distinction between “theoretically possible” and “realistic”… You are talking of a guy closing a 3635 point gap over a guy that dominated him 4-1 in last year.”

When you are talking about the greatest player of all time, he is a special case — he has done it before, he knows how to do it and so anything remains possible. I’ve already showed that a much larger gap than 3,635 points is not insurmountable. Federer has done it before. So it remains realistic. No amount of blind fandom will change this possibility.

It is you who are not considering circumstances. Federer does not have to close the 3,635 point gap by himself. Djokovic can be beaten by several more players today than a year ago. Today there is more than just one or players who can step it up. Isner in Indian Wells already showed it was possible. As did Delpo, Nishikori and Ferrer last Fall. And Murray without his A Game still stretched Djokovic in the second set.

Something unexpected can also stop Djokovic this year, such as that theatrical injury Novak had on Serbian hardcourts in mid September that was the supposed reason he couldn’t play for the next 2.5 months (see clip). Losing 2.5 months during the clay/grass season is more than enough for Djokovic to lose his No. 1 ranking. Amazing how quickly you forgot that Djokovic is not immune to injury — unless you know that Novak’s injury was never that serious, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuBP2j55oHo

As for H2H, every year is a new year — let’s not forget that Federer dominated Djokovic 4-1 in 2010 and their overall H2H is still 14-10 in Federer’s favor. Now let’s get some perspective on last year’s 4-1 H2H: Had Djokovic not (cowardly) avoided meeting Federer in the last three indoor events of 2011, the H2H could have been 4-4. Djokovic won three consecutive matches during the six weeks between 2011 AO to IW — even though Djokovic was at his best, he won just 51% of points in the two closely-contested matches at AO and IW. Federer beat Djokovic at their French Open semifinal, which many consider the best match of 2011. Most (Newcombe, etc) feltl that Federer (with double matchpoint) should have beaten Djokovic at the 2011 USO. Three of Federer’s 2011 losses against Djokovic were actually more closely contested than Nadal’s losses against Djokovic.

Don’t get too exuberant that Djokovic beat a rusty Murray who still managed to push Djokovic in the second set despite not being match sharp. Seven hours of matches over the past playing only against Garcia-Lopez, Falla, Simon and Tipsarevic does not prepare a player to beat Djokovic, Federer or Nadal. Federer’s win over Murray at Dubai final was more convincing.

Djokovic’s only two titles since US Open indicate that his level is lower and more inconsistent than one year ago and — when opponents dig in — he is prone to dips in level where he striuggles. Federer, on the other hand, is playing better than a year ago when Djokovic’s three of four wins over Roger were very close. Do the math.

I see you are parroting the buffoon from ESPN (Greg Garber) delirious comment: “To slice it another way, Djokovic has now won 10 of the past 14 majors or ATP World Tour Masters 1000s in which he’s played. That’s almost silly.” from his deliriously-titled article “Djoker’s dominance goes on and on”. Nothing goes on and on forever. Sudden pauses happen, even to the greatest players of all time: Federer won only one big tournament in 2008… after an incredible run where he won 27 big titles (11 slams, 3 World Tour Finals and 13 ATP World Tour Masters 1000s) of the 42 big tournaments in which he played between 2004 to 2007 (Federer missed 10 of 36 Masters 1000 events mostly due to injury or exhaustion). Unexpected illness, recurring injury and Nadal’s spurt stopped Fed in 2008.

Djokovic has been living on the edge in many of his recent wins. You could say that this guy is a champion who manages to find a way to win when it really matters. But the other side of the story is that eventually the law of large numbers catches up, and some of those close matches will eventually swing the other way, leading to a loss of confidence. It happened many times before in tennis history.


Ajet Says:

i admit though that whitney houston, madonna, shakira, lady gaga and rihanna are the 5 most popular female singers in the world, but for me personally:
TAYLOR IS THE BEST!!! her voice is the sweetest to ears ever, mesmerising, most heart-touching music ever!!!

others appeal to just mind, but taylor strikes straight at the heart and wins over you! :)


Dave Says:

Remember Mila, Federer Federer outperformed all top players in the last 6.5 months: (1) Federer won 5,855 ranking points, 6 titles; (2) Djokovic won 4,100 points, 2 titles; (3) Murray won 3,810 points, 4 titles; (4) Nadal won 2,600 points plus any Davis Cup final points, zero titles. So for the specific one-year ranking period that began after the 2011 US Open to 2012 US Open, Federer is ahead of Djokovic by 1,755 ranking points, ahead of Murray by 2,045 points and ahead of Nadal by up to 3,255 points. Federer’s 40-3 win-loss record since the U.S. Open is his best since his 41-0 streak during his 2004-2007 prime years. Indeed, Between 2010 Halle and 2012 Miami, Federer’s consistency was on display as he won 83 consecutive matches over players ranked outside the top 19 (while Nadal, Djokovic and Murray lost to several such low-ranked players), a streak that was bookmarked by losses only to former number one players Lleyton Hewitt and Andy Roddick. And Federer’s win over Murray in the Dubai final a few weeks ago was arguably more convincing and entertaining than battle-hardened Djokovic’s formulaic win over Murray rusty from playing only seven hours of matches in the past month. 

Let’s not forget that Federer is doing all this while being President of the ATP Players’ Council (representing 2,000 pro players and dealing with the self-serving politics of a few individuals), being father to twin daughters, being UNICEF ambassador, and spearheading various charity projects through his foundation and the tennis tour (see link). If anything, what Federer is achieving at age 30 is more impressive and inspirational than what Djokovic is doing at his peak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiKjFBEO4I4

You really should take a stats 101 course.

Now it’s time for me to go on my rest and vacation before the clay season…


Ajet Says:

alison!!!

thank you so much my dear friend for your sweet wishes! am so happy that tasylor got the award she so much wanted once again! :D
although admittedly i’m now startin to feel like may be this ”alison” name has something to do with making a person sweet! :) ;) :p

how else would one explain that ”you alison” are the sweetest poster in tennis-x and my fave, while taylor swift aka ”taylor alison swift” is also the sweetest singer in the world! ;)
thus, looking at you and taylor, i think i also, when i’d marry, wait for a baby girl to be born to me, and i may as well call her ”baby alison”!!! :p


Ajet Says:

Hey Dave:

Thanks for giving the list of best-selling artisits!!! :D
I’m so happy to see my faves MJ, Elvis Prisley, Beatles are right at the top(in MJ’s case it was utterly easily expected though)!!!

I’m also so happy to see that Backstreet Boys’re right there among the best selling guys! i love them so freaking much!!! their music is something!

and so happy to see that taylor even by this age has sold more than 50 million copies!!! :D

feeling cool right now!


Ajet Says:

Dave:

again gotta look at your list of best-sellin artists though, just can’t have enough of ‘em! ;)


Lulu Iberica Says:

Ajet, I admire your passion, and I can agree with you about Fed being the greatest tennis player, but I cannot agree about Taylor Swift! She has grown on me a bit, and her songs are sweet and quite catchy, but no way is she in the league of all-time greats! I wonder if you would feel the same about her if she weren’t so lovely? As for music that appeals to the heart versus the mind, the music that thrills my heart most is gospel, soul, R&B. Aretha Franklin singing “Rose in Spanish Harlem” is as thrilling to me as Rafa Nadal winning Wimbledon in 2008!

(By the way, your feelings about Taylor sound similar to mine about Rafa!)


Ajet Says:

trufan:

nadal has won an indoor masters and has also reached indoor masters finals! the guy also reached WTF 10 final, that’s so important! and looking at the way nadal was playing that year, it was only fed that coulda beaten him, and he did!

i think nadal has been unlucky in ending up face fed in semis of 2006 and 2007 YEC indoor championship, and he wa also unlucky to face fed at YEC final, otherwise nadal’d have had at least won 1 or 2 indoor YECs by now! nadal’s not bad at all in indoors, at least not worse than anybody except fed! so i can’t compare his indoor performance, which is pretty decent to be honest, while murray’s clay performance which is sub-par!

thus, nadal on indoors is way better than murray is on clay, absolutely no comparison!


Ajet Says:

Lulu:

taylor is seriously admirable person, and i seriously don’t have the slightest ill-feeling about her! she’s way too classy for me to even dream of flirting with her!!! and her voice’s just AMAZING! i have galaxies of only respect for taylor and wish she remains happiest and gets one of the best guys ever int he world as her life-partner! i want her happy always, coz greeat persons like her are pretty rare these days. the way she carries herself is so inspiring!


Lulu Iberica Says:

Ajet, I didn’t mean to imply you had naughty thoughts/intentions toward Taylor Swift! I just meant that perhaps her angelic appearance affects your perception of her as a musician.

As for comparing your feelings about TS and mine about RN, I meant that we are both quite devoted fans and convinced of their “goodness,” despite not actually knowing them. You might object to this characterization of your feelings for Taylor Swift, but I will readily admit that I have an irrational devotion to Rafa!


Ajet Says:

Lulu:

a great singer is always a great singer. taylor’s a great singer. nothing ordinary impresses me ever!

in tennis, only federer impressed me, in music only MJ, in football pele and zidane, in golf woods, in boxing ali and the list goes on! and among lady singers, taylor impresses most!

when i first listened to her song ”you belong with me”, i was stunned! then listened to fifteen, mesmerised! then listened to mine, just got blown away! i never knew taylor before this year. but just the first listening to her song made me realise she’s extraordinary! after listening to just these 3 songs, i googled about her and read that she’s a;ready wo 4 grammys at the age of like 18! and it felt like so expected to read! as i always say, i never become a fan after knowing about success, i only become the greatest fan when somebody impresses me beyond ordiary possibilites! i was surprised at myself for not having listened to the music of such a great singer like her, and only felt vindicated to know that she has won so many awards! she deserves every bit of success!

her songs like fearless, sparks fly, safe and sound, speak now these are unimaginably classy songs, once in a lifetime kinda stuff; no ordinary singer sings them like she did, i can tell ya!

her songs mean, our song also are great songs! i fail to think how people don’t like her!

and btw, though i don’t need to explain toanybody that taylor is one of the most sought after figures and successful singers, her action speak much louder than her or our words, but in case you guys didn’t know: she is the highest selling artist of billboard in the year 2011!


Ajet Says:

Lulu:

I won’t call it your irrational devotion to rafa, whom else’re you supposed to like/admire if you don’t admire guys like nadal/federer in tennis! rafa fromthe word go, i cluld tell that he’d become an extraordinary player, as far back as in 2004, and did it not happen so!!! similarly, what taylor has done by 22, is in itself explanatory of her greatness! though even before knowin anything about her, i realsied that she’s one of the most talented ever, and extraordinary too! first yo gotta have that x-factor in you, everything else follows suit! fed, rafa and taylor swift are some of the best examples of this!

people sometimes don’t realise the value of a jewel, that’s alright with me. but it’s they, who don’t realise the worth of something priceless like a great artist/athlete, that are missing out on something, not me!!!


Eric Says:

wog boy:

“After MC we have Madrid, Barcelona and Rome, even if Novak doesn’t play until FO he will stay #1, regardless. Do your maths people.”

Not true. If for some reason Nole literally didn’t play until the FO, and Rafa defended MC and won Madrid and Rome (not unlikely), they’d swap spots. But agreed it is rather unlikely, no? :)


Ajet Says:

however, i have no problem with anybody else loving any other female singer, but to me taylor is the best! it’s my choice! I can’t change it. let’s leave it at that!

if others don’t like taylor, it’s fine with me! even if others don’t think she’s one of the most talented singers ever, that’s also fine! who’m I to change others’ choice/perception! but then again, so long as taylor is loved so much world over by millions of her fans (one of which i myself am), so long as her class is acknowledged and rewarded through so many awards, and so long as people listen to her music and she continues to be one of the commercially as well as criticaly acclaimed artists, i cannot be unhappy or worried about others thinking stuff about her(positive or negative)! CHEERS!


Lei Says:

“she’s the loveliest, sweetest, nicest, most gracful, most composed, a fairy tale princess she is! she has the sweetest and loveliest voice in the world! and she’s just so incredibly lovely and just so impossibly beautiful! ”

And this statement wins the most delusional. This is actually worse than a patient with agnosia. 80s Madonna was a decent singer (she does have some catchy tunes), but if you think Shakira, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and their attention-seeking behavior, crazy antics and number of albums sold make them great singers, may God bless you. Taylor is a nice girl. I’ll give you that. But lovely in the face? I’ve seen better. And the vestige of the bucktooth is still there.

The best singers for me are the likes of Billie Holiday, Janis Joplin, Aretha, Barbra Streisand, Karen Carpenter, Olivia Newton-John, Linda Ronstadt, Diana Ross, Whitney, heck even Dolly Parton has better tone and vibrato. And the younger ones like LeAnn, Kelly Clarkson, Stacie Orrico, Norah Jones, Jojo, Adele, Jessie J, etc.

The Grammys today is a travesty. And the VMA’s credibility was never based on quality of music or singers.

And my fav Mariah trumps Taylor on that best-selling list and songwriting abilities and vocal range and technique so…

And Federer is GOAT :)


Ajet Says:

”Taylor is a nice girl. I’ll give you that.”

i take that! ;)


Lulu Iberica Says:

Well, Ajet, Taylor Swift clearly brings you a lot of joy, so I won’t rain on your parade anymore!

Back to tennis —

Does anyone know if the Rome results will come in time to affect the FO seedings? I couldn’t figure out when the seedings are set. If Rome is a factor, it would be much easier for Fed to overtake Rafa before the French Open.


Ajet Says:

i like whitney, barbara and adele too!

may be whitney and adele winning grammy’s also travesty! i mean, everything that you don’t agree with may appear travesty to you, but only you! in fact everybody starting from gaga to shakira to rihanna to taylor winning grammy/VMA awards is travesty, only you trying to decide who’s great and who’s not is not travesty spposedly! ;)

and btw, my fave is taylor, i couldn’t care any less about mariah carey! and oh, she’s nothing special in comparison to lady gaga, rihanna or shakira! you gotta be delusional to think that they’re ordinary artists in comparrison to carey! and mariah also showed enough antics for me to be bored for 1000 lifetimes!

and as i say, don’t care about taylor if you don’t, i care even lesser about carey! ;)


Superhuman Says:

Clay season will be split between Nole and Rafa, that is my prediction. Who is going to win what is bit unpredictable, however I do not see Roger and Andy doing well.


Ajet Says:

my fave singers on the list:

1.MJ
Elvis Prisley
Beatles
Madonna
Celine Dion
Whitney
Backstreet Boys
Bryan Adams
George Michaels
Rihanna
Gaga
Beyonce
Eminem
Ricky Martin
Enrique
Taylor Swift(52 million in just 5+ years!)

I’m a happy happy camper! mariah carey fans can cry, lol! ;)


Wog boy Says:

Eric,
Theoretically yes, your math is better then mine in this case:), also depends how far nole is going to go in MC, but Federer doesn’t have even theoretical chances if he doesn’t play MC as I said.


alison hodge Says:

Ajet thanks for that lovely post @ 1.07pm,sorry its took me so long to reply,just got home from work,what a lovely thing to say,i think Taylors probably a much nicer person than i am,and has a lovely singing voice,where as i am tone deaf,and she is 20 years younger than i am,i think the only similarity would be the long curly blonde hair and thats about it really,shes also quite tall and slim,and i am quite small, and although im not fat im quite podgy,but thanks for the lovely compliment anyway its made my day,BTW i love the list i like someone whos voice sounds distinctive,so i would put the late Amy Winehouse in that list too,take care.


Wog boy Says:

Sorry for butting in, how about this top ten :
1. Dire Straits
2.Dire Straits
3.Dire Straits
…………
…………
I just love them, no much time for listenig the music nor I know much about the same but when I sit down and relax with a glass in my hand I always play one old CD, when they performed in France, I think it was France:) and the memories are just coming…. I am little bit old fashion.


alison hodge Says:

wogboy loved brothers in arms,and romeo and juliet is one of my all time favourite records,one of my hubbys all time favourite bands,along with the rolling stones,and jimi hendrix.


rave Says:

Thanks Dave for your very enlightening post regarding tough eras. I am so delirious. I am saving your post to rebut further arguments about tough eras.

And Ajet, my 15 yr old daughter absolutely adores her. We had to spend an entire day of our vacation in Nashville in the Pavillion where Taylor was doing greet and meet with her fans. We stood in line for hours and never got to meet her but did see her up close and personal. She also entertained the crowd. What parents do for their kids. But, I am glad that Taylor is my daughter’s role model rather than the likes of the Kardashians.


mat4 Says:

@WB:

One of my friend was very worried when she learned that I usually listen Tom Waits.

If I remember well, I listened “In the cold, cold ground” all afternoon the day I got married.


Leon Says:

3365pts insurmountable?

Some people forget the fundamentals of the ranking system. 52 weeks, no longer (Rafael fell short here, thank God). In particular, that means: if you enter the tourney you won last year with some gap in points and suffer an early loss, AND the guy behind you failed early last year but wins this year, then for these two the tourney point value is practically doubled. If it is a slam, the gap can be diminished up to about 4000pts, a masters – about 2000pts, so on. It’s easy to see then that 3365pts could be a matter of only ONE tourney, say, Wimbledon. For example, ND suddenly fails in 4th round, just like RN to RS at FO-09 (oh, yes, RN was “absent”), and loses 1820pts; while the senior citizen unexpectedly wins, gaining 1640pts. The balance is 3460pts to RF, voila. To consider such a case more or less possible is to one’s personal taste, but it could be hardly called absolutely improbable. Even without horrible injures (that by no means I wish to Novak, God forbid) or “personal issues”. Just one bad day at office plus a hot top-30/50/100 opponent.

I can add more figures and arguments, but it’s mainly Dave’s prerogative. So, dear Novak’s fans, those of you who perhaps didn’t realize what a daunting task the brave Serb still has to complete for holding his status longer than a year, do your maths carefully, indeed. Then you will be on firm ground, which is good, no?


Wog boy Says:

Alison,
Your hubby has a good taste !

My younger doughter plays guitar and is traying to form a band with her girlfriends, if you walk in to her room their is none of my pictures to be seen, all over the walls is Slash…Slash….Slash…..Guns N’ Roses….Guns N’ Roses… And our pets photos.
I did ask her “where is my photo” and she told me “But you are not Slash,” I cannot argue I am not Slash, I am Wog
boy:)


Wog boy Says:

mat4,
At least you can remember but I cannot remember the day I got married.

Leon, I see your point, but we were talking BEFORE FO, Nadal can only make 1000 points (or 800 i forgot how many points player get for RU) if he winns all of them prior FO, Nole can lose 2250 if he doesn’t play after MC but he will earn some points depending how deep he goes in MC. in this case maths is very simple even more so if Federer doesn’t play MC.
To be honest, as jane and mat 4 said before, FO and gold from London is what Nole is looking for this year, ranking
comes second.


mat4 Says:

@Leon:

Dear Fed fan, the maths are simple indeed. The one who will win more GS and MS will be no 1.

Beside, it is not a question of maths, but a question of tennis. Fed plays quite well, Novak too. They will give us answers in Paris, London and New York. Yes, the Serb has a daunting task in front of him, but he started well: 1 GS and 1 MS already. And he has an unfair advantage over Roger, Rafa, Andy and everybody else–he doesn’t have to play the best player in the world to win a tournament.

The rest are trifles.


Leon Says:

Wog boy, I meant only that 3635pts gap can evaporate in a blink under no special circumstances, you even are not obliged to be a great to do that. Sure, before FO it’s highly improbable but I don’t think Roger seriously considered that, even before his loss to Roddick. Obviously, it is FO-Wim that will be decisive. I am pretty ambivalent to Olympics, if it goes to Novak, OK, perhaps, Serbia needs this gold more than Switzerland.


Lei Says:

Judging from that selection, it’s pointless to even consider refuting your every claim. So I’m going stop attacking your delusions so as not to encourage them. You know you could benefit from some Haldol or Prolixin prescription. Just beware of the EPSEs :)

BTW Mariah sold 61 million albums in 3 years. So look who’s crying now boo hoo hoo

And maybe this could help you sleep at night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTtMXLe5z3Y


Ajet Says:

Lei:

you crying again about the travesty of carey selling 61 albums in 3 years??? ;)

i know truth hurts that i’m a fan of so many of the great artists, of which taylor’s also one! take a morpheine if it is paining a bit too much, lol ;)

and the very fact that taylor has sold so many albums despit being a country singer must expedite your intake of painkiller pills that much in a higher dose! take care, and get well! ;)

and btw, about your video, is it of mariah carey? i didn’t see it actually, so just askin! ;)

alison:

you’re very very welcome my friend! :)

rave:

cant believe your good time at nashville, it must be so amazing to see taylor up close & personal! :D

and am also most glad to know that your daughter is following the best role model! she’s quite intelligent i tell ya! :)
taylor is a real role model, mine too! :)
and am feling extremly happy to know that you also admire taylor and federer both! :)
speaking of me honestly btw, my fun is incomplete without tennis of fed and music of taylor!

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