Federer Plays While Nadal Shakes The Blues In Rome; Top 7 Men In Action Thursday, Azarenka Withdraws
by Sean Randall | May 16th, 2012, 10:39 pm
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Thankfully, the dominant headline this week at the Rome Tennis Masters has been…TENNIS! That’s it. There’s been no controversies, no blue courts and no threat of boycotts. Sure, the Italian wind has been whipping and the nights do offer a chill, but after a maddening week in Madrid, the red clay and returned focus back on the sport in Rome has been more than welcome.

And while the tournament has gone largely to form, there’s been a few bits and bobs of mayhem. Promising Canadian Milos Raonic was stunned on Sunday by Florian Mayer, negating a showdown with Rafa. Andy Murray nearly got nipped by David Nalbandian yesterday in the match of the tournament to date. And today Roger Federer ended the rumors by deciding to play afterall. And it was a fortuitous move as the Swiss cruised past Carlos Berlocq in straight sets.

Former champion Rafael Nadal was also on court Wednesday and the Spaniard shook off the Madrid blues by taking it out on Mayer 6-1, 7-5. Nadal looked back to usual self punishing the ball and taking command from the ground against the unsettling German.

“Today it was an important first set and I played aggressive,” said Nadal. “I made a mistake in the first set and then I felt good in the forehand. It is difficult to play against Mayer because he knows how to put you in a difficult position in the game, but I didn’t suffer I think.”

Nadal and Federer is both in a battle not just for the title this week but also for the No. 2 seeding at the French Open. Both players deny it’s importance, but for Nadal to know he won’t face his nemesis Novak until the finals has to help.

Meanwhile, Federer’s fellow Madrid semifinalists Juan Martin Del Potro and Tomas Berdych both advanced. Though Janko Tipsarevic wasn’t as fortunate as the Serb was dropped in a mild upset by Stan Wawrinka.

Andreas Seppi also scored one for the home team eliminating American giant John Isner in three tough sets.

Tomorrow shapes up to be a monster day with the Top 7 men in third round play. Nadal meets compatriot Marcel Granollers; Federer faces former No. 1 Juan Carlos Ferrero; Murray gets Richard Gasquet; Novak Djokovic draws the returning Juan Monaco and Del Potro clashes with JW Tsonga.

“I think I am playing well,” Del Potro said when asked to compare his level now to 2009 when he won the US Open. “After the tournament then I was 8 or 9 and now I am 7 or 6 that means I am doing well than 2009 my game is still improving so I am ready again to fight and play all the tournaments.”

If that’s not enough, the women’s schedule features both Williams sisters, Petra Kvitova and Maria Sharapova who faces Ana Ivanovic.

The women’s tournament suffered a blow when top ranked Victoria Azarenka oddly withdrew with a shoulder injury AFTER she beat Shahar Peer in the evening.

As for picks, I think the favorites win out including Sam Stosur over Venus. I like Del Potro over Tsonga and even Berdych to take out Nicolas Almagro in what might be the best match of the day – recall their feisty Australian Open duel!

Tennis Channel has live coverage of the men’s matches starting at 6am ET.

CENTRALE start 12:00 noon
[1] N Djokovic (SRB) vs [14] J Monaco (ARG) – ATP
[5] S Stosur (AUS) vs [WC] V Williams (USA) – WTA
M Granollers (ESP) vs [2] R Nadal (ESP) – ATP
Not Before 7:30 PM
[13] A Ivanovic (SRB) vs [2] M Sharapova (RUS) – WTA
Not Before 9:00 PM
[3] R Federer (SUI) vs J Ferrero (ESP) – ATP

SUPERTENNIS ARENA start 11:00 am
S Cirstea (ROU) vs [4] P Kvitova (CZE) – WTA
[6] D Ferrer (ESP) vs [11] G Simon (FRA) – ATP
[16] R Gasquet (FRA) vs [4] A Murray (GBR) – ATP
C Scheepers (RSA) vs [8] N Li (CHN) – WTA – Possible Court Change
Not Before 7:00 PM
[10] J Del Potro (ARG) vs [5] J Tsonga (FRA) – ATP


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Rafael Nadal Withdraws From Paris For “Personal Reasons”, Will He Have Appendix Surgery Next Week?
Rafael Nadal Withdraws from Paris Masters
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303 Comments for Federer Plays While Nadal Shakes The Blues In Rome; Top 7 Men In Action Thursday, Azarenka Withdraws

skeezer Says:

SH!T! The Italian wind is blowing……and I can’t play my game…..PROTEST! The wind better never blow here again or I will not play!

JCF is playing some good tennis. Wouldn’t be surprised if he pushes Fed to the limit. What happened to Baggy? Is he ever gonna bring some Greek excitement back to the tennis court?


jane Says:

skeezer, I think Baggy is mainly a grass and hard court man.

Hope Nole and Murray can get through their matches against Monaco and Gasquet, both good clay-courters. Come on Nole-Andy! :)


trufan Says:

Delpo can get to No 8 (since Tipsarevic is out, and so is Isner) if he wins one more round I think. That would be crucial, since it would give him the top 8 seeding, avoiding the top players till the QF at the French. I think that gives him a real shot if he can get to No 8 this week.

As for Federer, I think he will beat Ferrero, but after that, its day by day. He won’t risk injury and is not going to push too hard, so I expect him to lose in the QF. But who knows, he might want the No. 2 ranking badly, so he might push hard to get to at least the semi (then Nadal has to win to come back to No. 2).

Would love to see Nadal Djokovic final again.

I hope Nadal and Djokovic play each other in the semi at the French. Nadal has had way too many easy draws (not so much at Rome this time, I must admit). I hope he (Nadal) has to beat Isner, Delpo, and then Djokovic to even get to the final – its time he worked hard for at least one of his French titles. No way can he beat these three in a row, even on clay.

Now let the curses flow, Nadal fans – I am sure you will not be able to keep your comments to the players or the game!


nadalista Says:

http://tennisworld.typepad.com/thewrap/

Bodo………….sausage and chips served with dollops of tomato ketchup.

Tignor…………escalope de veau a la creme. Magnifique!

It’s a matter of taste, really……


jane Says:

I read that Tignor article earlier. He’s a lovely writer and makes me totally want to go to Rome and/or curl up in bed with a good book. :)


skeezer Says:

“Bodo………….sausage and chips served with dollops of tomato ketchup.”

Yes, and wash it down with a Guiness! Bliss!

Bodo GOAT.


King Federer Says:

Bodo fu%ked rafa real good in his article. no wonder rafa fans try to make tignor to be some out of the world writer. he is their only sanctuary – most writers are pro-fed. tignor is a bandwagon guy. he was pro-rafa till 2011 when nole handed rafa’s behind to him. i still think he is pro-rafa, but unlike against fed rafa doesn’t have a favourable record against nole for tignor to keep harping on rafa.

bottomline : dont be misled by rafa/nole fans’ comments that tignor is a really better writer than bodo. he is just another normal tennis writer.


nadalista Says:

^^^thanks for confirming my suspicions about Bodo’s Rafa obsession……….quite disturbing.


roy Says:

‘Nadal has had way too many easy draws (not so much at Rome this time, I must admit). I hope he (Nadal) has to beat Isner, Delpo, and then Djokovic to even get to the final – its time he worked hard for at least one of his French titles. No way can he beat these three in a row, even on clay.’

so isner 1st round was easy? it’s harder to face him later in a draw perhaps? interesting.
so playing djoker twice in the SF when djoker was the biggest threat outside of roger was easy?
beating federer for every title except one is easy?

i’ll tell you an easy french open draw. avoiding the greatest clay court player and then lucking out with a first time finalist to beat down for the title…

to say nadal has had an easy time at slams is beyond absurd when you consider how many times he’s had to beat the no.1.

go have a look at the opponents [and experience level] federer has beaten in GS finals and compare to nadal. then come back and say nadal hasn’t earned his slams.


Lisa Says:

There was a point in time I thought ‘Roger Federer’ is a God……..No I thought he was ‘Out of this world’ or more like a ‘Gift sent by God to Earth’…….

And its crazy! cause sometimes I think ‘he still is!!’…..

I mean the stuff he does ‘On and Off the Court’, the ‘Personality’ that goes with it all…..is ‘Beyond Believabel!’…….

Its another thing to be that ‘good looking’ and have that all too??…..Stuff you would only think is a ‘Priceless Gift to all of Humanity’

Its all too good to be true…… Godly, Godly, Godly……..

But then, everybody starts to think……..Hey, his not a God…..He his human afterall!…………..And thats why eventhough I love Federer………..I can’t help stop but admire someone too…..

And that someone who reminds us all, that ‘Federer is Human’ is………’Rafael Nadal’……respect…


nadalista Says:

skeezer,

or you could try the veal………………wash it down with a glass of pinot noir. Moltissimo!!


nadalista Says:

…………….all washed down to the sound of R.E.M., “Losing My Religion”, mai oui…….


alison hodge Says:

To the best of my knowledge Delpo and Isner have never beaten Rafa on clay,ok fair enough Nole and Roger have beaten him on clay, and Roger won the FO in 2009,Rafas won the FO 6 times,aside from Roger the other 3 players have yet to make a final at RG,if anything its those players with it all to prove at RG not Rafa,draw or no draw.


Kimmi Says:

so tough to watch kvitova (if you like her). this match heavily depends on her. she is been hitting some great shots and HORRIBLE shots too. Hope she can keep it together to win this.


racquet Says:

Monaco is really bringing it to Nole at the moment, up 5-3 with a break. His forehand is particularly potent today.


Kimmi Says:

what is happening with djokovic, he is about to lose first set badly.

He needs to hold here to let monaco serve for it.

15-40 2 sets points for monaco.


Kimmi Says:

duece..good. hold here pls.


tfouto Says:

Kimmi, its the Red Clay. Djokovic wont play here again if the clay is red next year…


Kimmi Says:

big sigh! petra wins :)


Kimmi Says:

joking aside tfouto, djokovic hasn’t been sharp in the last few tournaments. these guys he was crushing last year.

He needs to win ugly in this one.


van orten Says:

djoker again with his 7 lives of a cat ..incredible hard to beat him


van orten Says:

pico with his 4th set point now…


Kimmi Says:

djokovic saving few set points!


tfouto Says:

I hope he looses… And then Nadal tomorrow against Berdych… And Federer winning Rome for the 1st time…

I like Djokovic, but sometimes he can be a really non-elegant person…


Kimmi Says:

berdych breaks in the second. could be a straight set win.


van orten Says:

set point #5 incredible rally…


racquet Says:

Monaco wins the 1st set 6-4. He is playing really well but Nole helped with 20 UFEs (15 off his BH..eek). Nole smashes his racquet and gets a warning.


van orten Says:

hahahhaha djoker smashing his working tool hahahah..gotta love him for that..still showing some spirit even fed did it few years ago ..it feels good doesn’t it


Kimmi Says:

pico takes the set.


tfouto Says:

Here it is… Nole again with his good temper…

I am glad he’s in heaven in Rome Red clay’s…


Kimmi Says:

fight back nole, fight back!!


van orten Says:

well sometimes transition between heaven and limbo is a very narrow path


van orten Says:

pico always had potential..he won vs almost everyone on tour the last years but his temper his temper


racquet Says:

And now Pico breaks in the 2nd. Nole needs to regroup quickly.


van orten Says:

conditions really suck today …


racquet Says:

Nole breaks back….with a little help of a sandstorm.


racquet Says:

Any player who dislikes windy conditions is going to be challenged today.


van orten Says:

pico now fading…djoker in 3..and this is not a very hard prediction..


Kimmi Says:

much better from nole.


van orten Says:

i would not say better from nole..but the typical pico time out..


van orten Says:

pico should retire and go home…very bad performance…


Kimmi Says:

Nole 22 UE first set. second set only 5. Big improvement. needs to do the same for third set.


Kimmi Says:

ferrer bageled simon, ouch!! berdych is through.


racquet Says:

Nole makes it through. Great fight by Pico but the wind was a leveller today. Simon fought back to serve for the 2nd at 5-4 only to get broken!


Polo Says:

Djokovic wins. However, his demeanor seems to have returned to the pre-2011 days. In 2011, he does not seem to get distracted. He does not complain about court conditions. His main focus was the game and nothing else.


skeezer Says:

nadalista,

Sounds yummy too. Thing is, I like both, but would pick the Pinot Noir and lindt chocolate, ……..and REM? Not bad ;)

———-

roy,

There is someone usually tough to play in the semi’s. Take away Isner at FO , and he has had alot of cushy draws. Thing is, you’re right, on Clay, somtimes Rafa’s draws look cushy because he’s that good!

————

tfouto 6:56am…..lmao…


Brando Says:

‘Rafa gets easy draws’- what an IDIOTIC comment!

the man’s a clay GOAT- he’ll make any given draw look easy!

And by the way, how many times has he had to beat the 2nd best clay courter in the FO? 5/6 TIMES!

How many times has he had to beat the 3rd best clay courter and be scheduled to face him? 4/6 TIMES!

and while where at it- at what stage did he face a time FO RU, the ONLY player ever to beat him at RG? QF!

rafa ducks NO ONE on clay- he doesn’t have to! IF he brings his A GAME to the court- its usually a straight sets affair. Bring his B GAME


jane Says:

Missed Nole’s match but it sounds like he was playing poorly though Pico playing well. Thanks for the play-by-play all – especially Kimmi.

Andy’s really pushing for a break in this game at 3 all.


racquet Says:

Murray finally breaks after having 12 BPs. Leads 4-3. He is going for his shots a lot more than in the Nalby match.


Polo Says:

Right on, Brando. I hope people will stop writing about “easy” draws from now on. Not only for Nadal but for everyone.


Gordo Says:

As much as I am full of peace, love and understanding man does it make my blood boil when I see someone try to diminish the value of a Grand Slam winner by analyzing the draw and say that they had an “easy” draw, as if to say there should be an asterisk beside the achievement with a note saying – “doesn’t really count as much cause the top ranked contenders were not there in the quarters, semis and/or final.”

You get through 7 rounds of a grand slam and get to hold that trophy above your head you are de man (or de woman) and if you didn’t meet Roger or Rafa of Nole (or Serena or Kim or Victoria) it was because they didn’t make it. Plain and simple.


Steve 27 Says:

Yes, Gordo, talking about draws is nonsense. The important is winning the tournament.


skeezer Says:

C’mon Andy! Geez….


racquet Says:

Oh muzzah, you were doing so well until that game.


jane Says:

This is turning out to be a tussle at the end of the first set.


the mind reels Says:

@everyone using exclamation marks and/or boiling blood over the “Nadal has easy FO draws” comments: yes, I agree with you — it’s pointless to talk about draws/results this way.

So, in the name of fairness, it’s equally pointless to say things like roy’s comment above, which notes that Federer “avoided” Nadal at the ’09 FO. Our friend the dictionary says that avoiding implies keeping away from, and it certainly wasn’t Federer’s fault that Nadal lost early that year. Avoid? Please. Federer has shown up year after year in the finals, and he’s been beaten fair and square by the better player.

It’s similarly absurd to suggest that Nadal is “avoiding” more difficult draws at the French and getting only easy opponents. As others have stated, he’s consistently beaten Federer in most of his FO finals, which was probably the tallest task in any given year on clay, so bravo.

People sometimes make similar claims about how perhaps Nadal would have beaten Federer in other Slam finals had he only made it to the finals. The conditional in the second half of that sentence is indeed the most important part, as it brings this thing called reality into the equation. Would Djokovic have beaten Nadal in last year’s FO final? Doesn’t matter — he wasn’t around on Sunday to try because he lost in the semis. This is why match-ups and draws are so important in our sport, and this is why you can’t footnote certain victories because someone thinks that so-and-so had a cakewalk path to the trophy. That misses the point and, in some weird way, almost makes the tournament winners seem somehow culpable for their success when it’s in fact everyone else’s inability to beat them — i.e., someone like Nadal’s superiority on clay or Federer’s success on grass — that’s the real point.


jane Says:

Murray is cruising in the tiebreak.


racquet Says:

Talk about reflexes.


racquet Says:

Muzzah finally takes the 1st set 7-6. Now turn the screw and don’t let up please.


jane Says:

A little wobbly but I never felt like Andy was in danger of losing the set.


racquet Says:

Talking of wobbles. tsk


jane Says:

Yes, he didn’t turn the screw. Not yet anyway.


racquet Says:

He turned it the wrong way and let the air out of the match.


Brando Says:

relax guys… andy will win this one no doubt about it!

Remember he did beat gasquet from 2 sets downs at the FO!

As soon as andy raises his intensity, gasquet shall fade away….


the mind reels Says:

Two loose points from Gasquet to give Murray 0-30.


jane Says:

Just read a summary of Nole’s match and I have to say I didn’t realize that Monaco is now ranked 15 in the world. It sounds like his forehand has improved too.


the mind reels Says:

Murray looks a little desperate out there right now. Maybe it’s the conditions that he’s struggling with, but Gasquet is controlling most of the points and returning well.

I’d pay big bucks for that guy’s one-hander.


racquet Says:

Ugh. Double break. I question Andy’s strategy of going to Gasquet’s BH so often. It’s what did so much damage in those Wimby and FO matches. Looks like another Murray coaster.


jane Says:

Well, looks like Muzz is going three sets again. He’d better right the ship soon. Gasquet is good on clay.


racquet Says:

Yes Jane, I remember how great he was in taking out Fed last year.


jane Says:

“This is why match-ups and draws are so important in our sport,”

I agree the mind reels; I do think some draws are more difficult than others, and sometimes that difficulty is contingent on match up issues – i.e., player A may be tough for player B but not tough for player C – but a player shouldn’t be held accountable for that. He or she can only play who is across the net. The saying “luck of the draw” has some truth to it, but a player still has to win/lose, and what’s on paper isn’t always the same as what’s happening o the court.


skeezer Says:

Well Gas is a good player, but Andy is suppose to be great. When is Andy going to play like a guy who looks like he can win a Slam? Sorry Andy…tough love here. Andy looks very fit, has the tools, but when will he believe?


racquet Says:

One break reclaimed.


racquet Says:

Federer is great yet lost to Gasquet at this tournament last year.


jane Says:

racquet, that match where Gasquet beat Fed here last year was one of my favourites of last year, which says a lot considering how much Nole was winning in 2011. ;) Sometimes players just play lights out.


Bob Says:

Watching Nadal play has really become like watching freaking paint dry. The guy takes so long to get on with it. And hes always making the server wait for him! Unbelievable!

Nadal has break point against Granollers and he goes and changes racquet and wipes his sweat of like ten times before eventually letting Granollers serve..just plain Cheating, come on!

Not only does he take to much time on his own serve but his consistently making servers wait for him.

Who does this guy think he is?


racquet Says:

Jane, “Sometimes players just play lights out.”

Exactly.


Brando Says:

@Skeez:

i COMPLETELY agree with you re murray.

Physically he is as fit as anyone out there- he showed it in the AO SF.

He’s got all the shots- granted his FH is a bit weak, BUT it has immensely improved recently.

Unlike rafa or nole, he CAN be federer like and produce a plan B,C if needed.

by the time of this years USO, it shall 4 years since his first slam final.

He’s won multiple MS, he’s 25, he’s had various coaches of great repute- BUT STILL he can lose to anyone on a random day.

IMHO, i CANNOT see him winning a slam since he just hasn’t got it MENTALLY, and the more time passes on the tougher it gets for him.

FOR ME, IF he doesn’t win a slam this year, i cannot see him winning one after.


skeezer Says:

RE; the draw. By the time you get to the Semi’s in a Slam obviously your going to be playing a top player, 99 % of the time. But, when mentioning how tough or easy – er a draw is, well, it is. When you play in a Slam and start rd 1 and 2 to a Qualifier, then play the 3rd round against someone who isn’t in the top 100, hell yeah, for a top player, that is an easy draw to get into the second week, where many of the top players think if you get to the second week you are looking good and have a shot at the title from there. Hence the term “cakewalk”. Is it fair, is it right? It is what it is, the “luck” (Mat4 would argue otherwise ) of the draw.


skeezer Says:

Raqcuet,

I realize Gas beat Fed. But we are talking here and now with Andy. You really think Gas here is playing lights out?


jane Says:

skeezer, it’s true that generally speaking the second week of a slam will be more difficult no matter what. But the first week can definitely be more easy or more difficult depending on the draw.

Masters events are a little different as they can be more difficult right away, as we saw last week with Fed/Raonic,and this week with Murray/Nalby and Nole/Tomic.


racquet Says:

Not lights out, Andy is helping him a bit. But the point stands: he is capable of taking the very best out.


the mind reels Says:

@Brando: some tough love for Murray, but I tend to agree. The guy is a great 3-set match player, but on the biggest stages, he’s yet to show he believes. Not sure what it will take. Maybe getting one of these “cakewalk” draws at a major we’ve been talking about :)


skeezer Says:

jane…yes! Good knowledge ;)


Brando Says:

@the mind reels:

murray MOST LIKELY, in order to win a slam, has to beat 1 of the big 3.

he’s ONLY ever beaten rafa- 1 was a retirement for rafa and the other was a 2 day affair at USO.

AND rafa himself has improved as HC slam player since then, beating andy last year at USO.

So atm, it’s not looking good for him!


skeezer Says:

racquet,

Well now thinking Murray has had to play Nalby rd1, then today Gas, kinda does tell hes had some very early tough opponets to deal with. Plus now a bloody finger?

Don’t know why some of us have higher expectations for Andy, but I tend to be one of them for some reason. Must like the guy.


skeezer Says:

Winner has to play Ferrer… Geez


the mind reels Says:

@Brando: agreed he’d have to go through one of the big three. Nadal is the obvious choice, even though as you say he’s improved his hardcourt game. I think Murray on a good day (i.e., when he’s serving above 60%) should take Nadal on a reasonably quick hardcourt like the US Open, so that’s probably his best shot. Their H2H is actually 6-6 on HCs, which I wouldn’t have guessed.


Brando Says:

@the mind reels:

as a rafa fan- I AGREE WITH YOU. rafa at a HC is murrays best bet or djokovic on grass. HOWEVER, IF the match gets tight DO YOU REALLY see murray beating ANY of the top 3 in a pressure scenario?

i for one, unfortunately, do not!


jane Says:

Is anyone watching the Rafa match – so far a breadstick, maybe a bagel coming up? Granollers is not a player I am too familiar with however, so I don’t know if this is expected.


racquet Says:

Nope, I think it’s over for Murray. Disappointing.


jane Says:

Eek, Gasquet gets a break. Murray can break back; he did it versus Nalby.


carlo Says:

jane, have no idea what i’m doing wrong but when i post comments on the bracket there’s a blank space under my post a mile long, sorry :/

Oh dear Murray. Gasquet is good today. My bracket goes back to the bottom too.

And look, Isner killer, Seppi, is giving his all v Stanley. Andreas is the tifosi favorite. they make lots of noise!!

Nadal punishing Granollers, very bad beating!


jane Says:

Another upset for Gasquet this year in Rome. He likes it here. Too bad for Muzza to run into him so early. :/


racquet Says:

Gasquet wins. Credit to him but Andy was way off his game today.


carlo Says:

Oh man, Gasquet is good in Rome; took out Federer last year. But, we’ll see how he does V Ferrer.

Sad for Andy.


jane Says:

carlo, saw that. No worries. I like the white space.


mat4 Says:

Great match from Gasquet. He is usually a difficult opponent for AM and this time he won. He really played well.


Brando Says:

VERY, VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!!

i hope for all that’s good in the world, that someone like del potro, ferrer or berdych is in murray’s FO half since there is NO WAY this guy is going to get to the SF and give his opponent a tough match!

WHOEVER gets murray for the SF will be watching a nice disney movie before the match as opposed to hitting on the practice courts- since they know this guy can’t hurt them on a clay court!

p****d off at murray:-(


jane Says:

Just checked: Gasquet is something like 1-5 versus Ferrer so it looks like Ferrer will likely win that one. They’ve played only once on clay though.

racquet, I agree, though Andy started well and should have taken set one 6-3. But 5 doubles and only about 50% first serves in meant he wasn’t getting much leeway in his service games.


racquet Says:

It’s disappointing but not the end of the world. It would’ve been good to get more time on the clay but he still has the Masters Guinot-Mary Cohr exhibition before the FO. He was definitely playing better on clay last year at this time.


jane Says:

Brando, last year Rafa had Murray in the FO semi – but it didn’t look like he was watching a nice Disney movie to me. ;)

mat4, did you see Pico/Nole’s match? I’d love to hear what you think.


jane Says:

Rafa gave a double breadstick to Granollers (ranked 26th – I looked him up as I wasn’t sure where he’s at).


Brando Says:

@racquet: I do not know racquet- sure andy’s record says that he has reached SF at MC twice, rome and FO- BUT can you name me a top drawer clay court player he has EVER beat in his career?

Last year he beat chela and troicki on his way to the SF at FO- he needed 5 sets against troicki too!

He had to beat mayer- his toughest opponent last year- in the QTRS at rome- and he got a breadstick in one set too there!

his ONLY top draw clay win was against davvy at MC- that was 4 YEARS AGO!

IMHO, i don’t think he’s a top 8 clay court player- he’s had some success, BUT he was aided there too by a favourable draw!

sounds harsh BUT i think its the truth!


the mind reels Says:

Generally speaking, Rafa owns all of his Spanish buddies on clay. True that Verdasco and Ferrero both have clay wins over him, but on any given day, I don’t give those guys much of a chance.

Should be an interesting match-up tomorrow with Berdych. If Tomas strikes the ball as big as he’s been, minor chance of an upset a la Robin Soderling. Still, odds are in Nadal’s favor.

Last up is Mr. Federer, who’ll need to play well, I think, to get by JCF. Oddly enough, I think the wind helps Federer.


Polo Says:

Gasquet is one player who makes me happy whenever he wins regardless of who he beats. He plays beautifully.


Brando Says:

@Jane:

LOL, andy did OK in that one BUT at no stage did i feel rafa was under any danger at all in that one!

I like andy, hence the frustation at his loss today, BUT i genuinely do not believe in his clay court ability.

i just HOPE his poor showing so far won’t knock his confidence going into the grass court season!

P.S re rafa: he played well given the windy conditions- especially at the start of the match. Still he MUST improve against t-bird!


mat4 Says:

jane, I unfortunately do believe that RG doesn’t have much chance against Ferrer. I would really like to be wrong, but I could bet he won’t win five games.

About the Djokovic/Monaco match: Pico played much better in the first set, and he played his usual clay court strategy: lot of inside-out forehands, lot of spin, but he also served well and was very aggressive. Nole broke his racquet at the end of the set. He didn’t play one backhand down the line in that set and his game was very predictable.

In the second set Nole started mixing, there was less pressure on his BH (14 UE in the first set, 3 in the second), and he managed to adapt better to the windy conditions to break Pico three times. (If I remember well, all the six breaks occurred when a player served against the wind.)

In the third set, he broke at 4/3, playing well when he needed it. Pico played better than in the second set, he fought bravely but when it mattered most, Novak was a bit better.

Novak serves well, but his FH and BH are still a work in progress, especially the BH down the line, the flat FH. He needs matches obviously.


jane Says:

I definitely think he’s better on grass and hard courts Brando.

Polo, I generally love to watch Gasquet too. Such a talented kid. But I was kind of hoping to see more of Andy here.

the mind reels, I think JCF’s better days are behind him, though he, too, is an enjoyable player to watch. Loved his match versus Monfils at the USO last year – very competitive and exciting match.


racquet Says:

@brando – I’m not trying to argue that he’s one of the favs for FO. Not at all. But last year he showed his potential on clay in the matches against Nadal at MC and Nole at Rome. As for FO, remember he rolled his ankle against Berrer? Considering those circumstances he did well to reach the SF and give Nadal a tough match. I thought he would have a breakthrough this season but it didn’t happen. My view is that he will always be at his most dangerous on HC or grass.


Brando Says:

@racquet: AGREED re his best surface. question is how long is it going to be before he makes his breakthrough? or has the ship already sailed and we are still waiting/ hoping because we like the guy, rather than admit that MAYBE his moment to strike has already gone by?


jane Says:

Thanks mat4: seems like a mixed review. But some good can come out of those tough wins sometimes. Every round is a test here – next Delpo/Tsonga, another tough one.


carlo Says:

Great match between Seppi and Wawrinka. But this is a must win tb for Seppi. Cheering for Seppi, though picked Stan.

Both playing well. Roger will have his hands full with Ferrero and if Stan plays as he has been on clay. Did fairly well in the golden swing too.


carlo Says:

JCF looked old and finished in Madrid; but he was in solid form v Anderson and Monfils here.


racquet Says:

Personally, I don’t think the ship has sailed. Whether he wins a slam or not doesn’t faze me – but of course I’d love it. On a purely tennis purist level I love his game and shall continue to watch and support him regardless. I’m not a fair weather fan ;)


jane Says:

Can’t help rooting for Seppi, the giant slayer. ^_^ But Wawa will probably win it.

Sharapova vs. Ivanovic on clay might be a good match to watch.


jane Says:

Me too racquet. I love watching Murray play the game, sometimes such surprising exciting shots. Tomic was like that the other day too. It’s not all about “success” and “glory” – sometimes it’s about enjoyment and aesthetics too.


carlo Says:

Seppi has the 2nd set!!! Tifosi going nuts….haahaha go Seppi vai, vai..


carlo Says:

Seppi, Seppi, Seppi…

Stan po’d about the court, apparently.


Kimberly Says:

I hope Nadal and Djokovic play each other in the semi at the French. Nadal has had way too many easy draws (not so much at Rome this time, I must admit). I hope he (Nadal) has to beat Isner, Delpo, and then Djokovic to even get to the final – its time he worked hard for at least one of his French titles. No way can he beat these three in a row, even on clay
___________________

He absolutely can. And possibly in straight sets. Clearly you haven’t been watching much tennis since 2005.


carlo Says:

Kimberly, ^^ who wrote that post?

Seppi breaks! ha…i had him beating Stan and Isner, 1st time through my bracket.


carlo Says:

wow, Stan had 2 bp’s but Seppi saved them, then Seppi having a hard time holding. i don’t suppose anyone else is watching this match, so i’ll shut up. Stan breaks back. darn it all.


Polo Says:

Must be somebody who has not watched tennis since 2005.


Kimberly Says:

i think it was trufan.

Seppi blows the break.


jane Says:

carlo I am watching with one eye but also trying to get something done before Delpo/Tsonga, which I’d like to watch.


Kimberly Says:

trufan 12:49am on this thread. I’m watching very temporarily then going to the gym and to play tennis.


Kimberly Says:

Jane, I would be surprised if Tsonga/Delpo is very exciting. Tsonga not great on clay, I think JMD will handle him in straights.


jane Says:

Kimberly, probably. Delpo has an excellent record over Tsonga too. JMDP possibly has a knee issue left over from Madrid, though, but mainly just want to see their form prior to Nole’s match with the winner.


Etoile Says:

newbie here but with a simpl equestion – why are the matches starting later and later? Fed today at 8pm, the winner tomorrow even at 9pm, while others play as early as noon. That’s a 9 hour difference to recuperate until the semis on Saturday – isn’t this a bit unfair?


RZ Says:

Nice win for Gasquet – one of my favorites to watch but somehow I never catch him on TV. He should be making the quarters of the big tournaments regularly.


jane Says:

Wow, Ivanovic is already up a double break on Sharapova, defending champion.


jane Says:

Seppi! :D


madmax Says:

“Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss”: That nadalista, was a very good article that you posted from Tignor, who still was able to comment on the way that Federer played, I couldn’t detect a swing towards rafa, he mentioned this which was particularly readable:

‘It was the headline of a story I did for Tennis Magazine about Serena Williams and Roger Federer way back in 2008, when they each ended disappointing seasons with titles at the U.S. Open. Four years later, the words still apply to both of them. As I said at the top here, we don’t need to crush Nadal and Djokovic because they didn’t react to the blue clay the same way Federer did. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t credit Federer for the way he approached this event from start to finish.

Federer adjusted, and then re-adjusted. New to the slippery surface, he served and volleyed consistently in his opener against Milos Raonic and ended up at the net 34 times. In the final, he came to the net just nine times. Different opponents, different tactics, same result.

Federer expressed sympathy for Nadal’s and Djokovic’s positions, without forgetting what his job was. He was rewarded in the end with the No. 2 ranking, an inside track to the second seed spot at Roland Garros, and a net gain of nearly 1500 ranking points on Djokovic. He was also forced to survive two highly pressurized matches against Raonic and Berdych.

Federer served well in the clutch, as always—if there’s going to be sign of his decline, it will come when he no longer comes up with big serves just when he needs them. Most important against Berdych, Federer stopped the rot at 5-5 in each set by dictating with his serve and halting his opponent’s momentum.

Federer, at 3-4 in the third, 0-15, thought about chipping and charging on his return, then thought better of it. Instead, as Robbie Koenig put it, he decided, “I’m just going to hit the clean winner.” Federer’s backhand clipped the sideline. Smart tactics and a good attitude help, but they wouldn’t mean much without plain old otherworldly talent.

Federer, at 0-30 in the final game, went to a shot that he hadn’t used much all day, his trademark short slice backhand crosscourt. It earned him three match points. Who else can play 32 games and still have something left in the bag?

Federer, in his speech at the end, remembered the home-country hero, Nadal, said he loved coming to Madrid, and assured everyone he would back next year, whatever color is beneath his feet.

No wonder Federer didn’t have a problem with the slippery surface. He didn’t put a foot wrong all week.

Roy, without getting into a war over this, why is that you forget that Federer fans accept rafa’s greatness on clay. Who wouldn’t? Yet what you tend to forget (purposely?) is the six wins for rafa where he played at Roland Garros, four of them in finals and one in a semifinal. The side of that statistic that few Nadal fans like to talk about is that Federer was always there to meet him, frustrating as it was for the Swiss champion—yet Nadal conspicuously missed similar appointments with Federer on the other surfaces.

This is where the balance isn’t discussed. Federer should be given the credit here. He was there to meet your guy, you can’t have it both ways.

Disappointing with Murray, I think he simply lacks match practice, am not going to worry too much about him. Hopefully he will get his act together before the FO, would be a shame if he didn’t go deep in that tourney, after appointing Ivan the great.


jane Says:

Sharpie has one break back now. Seppi serving for a third set tiebreaker.


jane Says:

madmax, I agree – Tignor is not only the best tennis writer, from a purely writerly point of view, but he is also very fair in his point of view, which is something I love about him.


RZ Says:

I like Tignor and I also like Jon Wertheim and Christopher Clarey. To use Jane’s words, they are the best writers from a “purely writerly point of view” (LOL)


RZ Says:

Wawa is killing me! And I’m not even watching, just tracking scores online.


jane Says:

Seppi!!! SAVES SIX match points! Wow so happy for him – crowd going mad!


andres Says:

What a loss by Wawrinka!! How many MP did he squander


RZ Says:

Good for Seppi – I always like a big win in front of a home crowd – but I must ask: Really Stan????


the mind reels Says:

Wow. Such tight playing from Stan. He blew 6 MPs, I think. He pulled the trigger too early at times and wasn’t aggressive enough at other times. Props to Seppi for hanging in there and giving the home team another W!


jane Says:

RZ, I just mean, Tignor is a good writer stylistically – not so much about content per se. Wertheim tends to be very fair, and yeah Christopher Clarey of the NYTs sometimes is a good read too. Neil Hartman is also one who writes good articles at times.

Ivanovic STILL trying to serve out the first set – long game by the looks of it. Just watching scores on that as got carried away by the Seppi drama.


RZ Says:

Jane, I knew what you meant about style. I like Wertheim and especially Clarey for the same reasons (although Wertheim can get carried away sometimes). This is one of the reasons that I tend to dislike Peter Bodo’s columns – he tries to be sarcastic or funny but often (IMO) fails because he’s not as skilled in writing. I just thought your wording was funny but it was clear what you meant.

I hope Ana can pull off the win. It’d be nice to watch a quiet women’s final for once.


jane Says:

RZ, I wasn’t sure why you were LOLing but I guess it was my own style sucking. :) I think I agree about Bodo, but I don’t usually read his articles. I read Tignor and I read “racquet reactions” to get the match summaries because we don’t always get them here. I like the way Wertheim responds to readers in the mailbag; he is honest but diplomatic every time.

Ana really blew it in this first set -had a two break lead to losing in the tiebreak (at this point) – but Sharpie is not Sharpie for nothing.


nadalista Says:

madmax;

As far as I am concerned, Tignor is a poet, end of.

No serious Rafan will dispute the fact that Rafa has not shown up often enough in the past to meet Fed in the hard court season. That is a fact,you cannot dispute facts. Having said that, let us acknowledge the reasons why.

Fact is, we Rafans do not need to build up Rafa as some perfect sportsman who should have been an all-surface tennis player from the time he became a pro. Not so. If you ahve been a follower of tennis in the last 10 years, and of Rafa in particular, you will know that Rafa’s game has beena work in progress. He started off successfully on the clay courts, worked hard to master the grass courts and has worked hard to become the credible hard court player he is now. This has taken time, as well it should.Unfortunately, time waits for no man. While Rafa was developing his hard court game, Roger was getting older and could not be guaranteed to show up on hard courts to meet a maturing Rafa.

You want us to say the reason Rafa didn’t show up to meet Roger earlier on hard court was because he was not good enough, yes he WAS not good enough then. Happy? But guess what, he IS now…….and boy, is he ready now.

I guess the question I want to ask you is this:

Rafa realised his defiencies on grass court and Hard court early on. He worked hard to improve, with success, so much so that he beat Roger at both grass and hard court Slams. Roger showed up all those times at RG to face Rafa, how come he has never cracked him there?

I owned up: the reason Rafa did not show up bewfore is that he was not good enough, he was still evolving. He worked the practice courts, showed up and beat your guy on his favoured surfaces. Why hasn’t your guy been able to do the same to Rafa on his favoured surface, clay? Please don’t bring up that old chestnut, match-up, that’s a cop-out and you know it.

I put to you the reason was arrogance on your boy’s part. He thought he did not need to adapt his game, that his game was goos enough to beat this young up-start.

I say was because lately we have seen signs of “change” in the old coot, that is why he is now becoming competitive against Rafa.

Humility has its uses you know…………


racquet Says:

It’s nice to see a women’s match where both are playing to a high standard. There was a spectacular rally while Ana was serving for the set which was worthy of being labelled ‘point of the tournament’.


mat4 Says:

jane: I usually agree with you most of the time, but not with opinion on Tignor. You’re a bit unfair. He has to write a blog entry every day in last few month and I am surprised how creative he manages to remain.


madmax Says:

nadalista,

I said I didn’t want to get into a war of words here, and I am not going to. It’s very simple. Every time you or someone else brings this up, you forget the facts that I brought up earlier, and I won’t repeat them.

You say:

‘Rafa realised his defiencies on grass court and Hard court early on. He worked hard to improve, with success, so much so that he beat Roger at both grass and hard court Slams. Roger showed up all those times at RG to face Rafa, how come he has never cracked him there?’

He never cracked him at RG because rafa is the best clay court player at RG, and better than Roger. Roger is the second best, problem is, he gets so much stick for being second best, imo, it is no shame to lose to Rafa at RG, similarly it is no shame for rafa to lose to Roger or never to have won WTF, roger is a better hard court player and grass player than rafa, imo. But if you want to get into hard facts nadalista then remember roger will always be at a disadvantage because more tournaments are played on clay throughout the year,which is fortunate for your guy, so remember this, Nadal leads in the head-to-head with Federer, 18-10. Twelve of those wins (compared to just two by Federer) were on clay courts—including five at Roland Garros, those are the facts and really, you don’t believe that Federer has changed his game to still be in with the chances against your guy?

I would say that that is an arrogant statement to make. Every federer fan can see the changes in Roger’s game. He goes from strength to strength and we are very proud of him, despite your comments.


jane Says:

mat4, I am not sure what you mean; I love Tignor! :)


madmax Says:

and please stop saying rafa was young, still learning the game, bla bla, when you turn professional, you turn professional. He has had as much chance as roger, having been on tour only 3 years less than roger.

Hardly a big difference.


jane Says:

This Delpo vs. Tsonga match is quite a slog so far, very even. I like Tsonga’s hair. I can’t find an English stream though, which is a drag.


carlo Says:

Jane, Lemon sport . com….plenty of English streams

If i put up the exact link my post gets axed.

But I am geared up to go for a long ride, however masochistically watching stream, ready to bolt…feeling Delpo will lose. He’s torn off his knee bandage in frustration already. aaarrggh


nadalista Says:

madmax;

My bad, responding to you post, I thought I was getting into a calm discussion about the issues with you. Clearly, I was wrong, judging by your agitated state.

I suggest we end this “discussion” now, all the better for you to take your meds………….


mat4 Says:

jane, I know you appreciate Tignor. He’s pure poetry, isn’t he? ;-) Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.

“I just mean, Tignor is a good writer stylistically – not so much about content per se”.

Pete Bodo and Steve Tignor used to write two entries a week until last year. I guess that Tennis Magazine had difficult times, because since then they both publish multiple posts every day. It is not easy to maintain such level day in day out and not to repeat what has been already written.


jane Says:

Thanks carlo. Didn’t know about that one. I switched but I kind of miss that up-and-down lilt of the Italians commentators to whom I was listening. :) Tsonga has been playing well. Nole will have his hands full no matter which of the two prevails.


jane Says:

Ah mat4, I was just trying to clarify my point earlier, but I do enjoy both the form and content of Tignor’s posts. I make a point of reading them. I can’t say I do that with any other tennis writer with the same regularity.

My stream just switched away to JCF/Fed’s match. :( I want to continue watching Delpo/Tsonga so perhaps it’s back to the Italians.


carlo Says:

yeah. I actually prefer Italian to any of the languages for cycling…and almost for tennis too. Italian…I’m positive, give me a month there and I could speak it. French, would take a year there probably to speak it right. And Polish…20 years in Poland, then maybe, lol.


Steve 27 Says:

Typically, a player that is afflicted with this virus has a self-limiting fever lasting usually no longer than 10 days. In many cases, a period of fatigue lasting 2-3 weeks can typically follow those symptoms. In the most severe of cases, complications from the virus (not the virus itself) can have career-threatening impact – think Mario Ancic or Soderling. Any illness Fed may have had in January or February had no impact on his results May-July. Beginning with Estoril in mid-April that year, Fed only had 1 loss to a player other than Nadal. In his run to the Wimbledon finals, Fed had won 11 consecutive grass-court matches (including Halle) without dropping a single set. Oh, but since he lost to Rafa in 5, he must have been suffering from mono????…. just absurd.


Brando Says:

JUST started to watch the delpo match and cannot believe how he is playing! Very listless and without fight. Very unlike delpo. Is something wrong with him?


jane Says:

Tsonga is looking formidable. Looks like yet another pick I will have wrong on my bracket. Who said Tsonga can’t play on clay? He’s playing very well, moving good today too. Delpo looks a bit sluggish by comparison – not that into it or something?


jane Says:

Brando it’s a combination of both. But I read somewhere that Delpo got injured in Madrid, his knee or something. Maybe it’s bothering him.


Brando Says:

@Jane: same here- my bracket has also taken a hit. I’m glad that i have nole going to the final from his side.

I think he’ll beat tsonga on clay, and then federer?

That’s a tough one, BUT i think nole wants the win moreso than federer here, so i think nole will make finals here.

hoping that my picks work out from here!

P.S: have you seen any good films recently?


Brando Says:

@Jane:

did not know that- re delpo knee injury. hope it’s not something signifcant, since he is on court anyhow.

Tsonga is looking good though, hit alot of brilliant shots.


carlo Says:

You don’t know what your talking about Steve27, when you get on the mono topic, Okay? That always annoys me and I don’t want to write an epistle on Mono, HIV, Epstein Virus, Herpes Virus, Shingles, the immune system and how differently every individual responds in such situations. Pleas hang up that crap once and for all.


jane Says:

Brando I watched “The Conformist” by Bertolucci (Italian!) and it is excellent! I watched a scary German film, “Die Welle” (The Wave), that was also very interesting and well acted. I’d like to see “Cabin in the Woods” and “The Avengers” (for fun). How about you?


mat4 Says:

I don’t like Bertolucci, although I have seen four of his films. The only highlight in those was Dominique Sanda.


jane Says:

The stands were almost completely empty for Tsonga/Delpo.


Brando Says:

@Jane:

I’ve only seen ‘Last Tango In Paris’ of Bertolucci, and really liked it. And yet most people have told me that ‘The Conformist’ is his best film- so looks like your saying it is excellent confirms it.

Friends have seen ‘The Avengers’ and they say it really is good fun.

Recently i have seen ‘Doctor Zhivago’- i loved it! Has there been a more beautiful actress than Julie Christie in her youth? I think not. A true english rose. Wondefrul film.

Also saw ‘Badland’ (Terrence Malick) found it pretentious, self important.

Also ‘His Girl Friday’ (Cary Grant) and ‘The Sting’ (Newman/Redford) BOTH VERY ENJOYABLE! If you want to watch a fun film- i highly recommend those two.


the mind reels Says:

Federer is pulling out the drop-shot return on JCF. He seems pretty comfortable out there. Double set point.


jane Says:

I haven’t seen a lot of his films mat4, but I did like the Conformist and some aspects of the Dreamers (controversial I know).


jane Says:

Oh yeah I love His Girl Friday Brando – and personally I liked Badlands but mainly because I thought Sissy Spacek was a revelation in it. The way she pulled off that flat affect of her character, coupled with the bleak setting, really make that film classically creepy imo.


skeezer Says:

Fed playing zoneful…wow


Brando Says:

@Jane:Yes, i also really enjoyed HGF. Re Badlands, i would agree that spacek was the best thing in the film- GENUINELY convincing as a young, teenage girl. HOWEVER, i just did not like the mindless murders being weaved into some Bonnie and Clyde type of tale. Maybe i missed the point though- as it is held in great esteem.


Brando Says:

fed looks SWITCHED on here- IF he is fully fit, i do not think the FO shall be a rafa-nole show as some – including myself- anticipate it to be.

i think the fed is very much in the groove atm.

the nole match could give a good barometer as to how good he is atm.


skeezer Says:

TMR,

U watchin this?


Rahul Says:

Jane I loved Conformist and Dreamers (specially all the nods to the French New Wave).

Brando if you chose your nick after Marlon Brando, then you must watch Conformist as Coppola was quite inspired by the cinematography and used some of the techniques in the Godfather films.

Tonight Roger is looking really sharp. Dangerous even if he can maintain this form throughout the tournament.


mat4 Says:

Didn’t watch any of those. My repertoire was more formal: Last Tango in Paris, The XX Century (probably the best among those), then The Last Emperor and Little Buddha (I hope I translated well the titles). In general I don’t like Italian films, although I have forced myself to watch a lot of them, from La Dolce Vita, Cinema Paradiso to Satyricon. Perhaps Pasolini would be my favorit now, although he was very difficult to watch. It reminds me too much real life.


skeezer Says:

Blue, red, orrange, green….whatever. Fed must love all colors.


the mind reels Says:

@skeez: yea, I’m streaming from here:

http://www.lshunter.tv/streams/1/lshtennis3.html

Fed is really hitting his backhand well. Looking very good.


mat4 Says:

Skeezer:

What about our bet?


skeezer Says:

Mat4

Well if the Fedster keeps rolling like he has been …..mmmm


Rahul Says:

Mat4 then whatever you do stay away from Antonioni…


jane Says:

Rahul, I too loved how Bertolucci paid homage to so many classic films in the Dreamers, through both allusions and flashbacks. It was lovely.

Brandon, Badlands is based on a true story. :/ Those things really happened, yuck. It’s just so disconcerting the way Spacek is so innocent and naive on the one hand, and that sickly sweet music too, but how on the other hand she goes along with it all. Gives me the heebie-jeebies.


Brando Says:

@mat4:

i do understand what you mean re italian cinema. Bar L’Avventura and the Bicycle Thief, i also find it a struggle to relax and enjoy them. BUT maybe that’s what you get with neo-realism cinema.

@Rahul: yep, i will watch it at some point hopefully.


mat4 Says:

Rahul:

Too late… too late…


Steve 27 Says:

Please hang up that crap once and for all.
Carlo, you are a lady, right? Please talk and Behave like one of them, and do not be so susceptible, that the truth hurts and if it is on your beloved Rodge.


carlo Says:

I have the music from Cinema Paradiso on my ipod. Loved the movie, love most any score written by Ennio Moroconne.

Delpo lost. Sorry, that had me cranky.

Federer better be careful


Brando Says:

@Jane:

‘Gives me the heebie-jeebies.’ i have NEVER heard that expression before- does it mean it creeps me out? maybe gives me the shivers?

now i did not know it was based on a true story- wow! even sheen’s character had a naive slant to him- like he didnt know any better:-(


Rahul Says:

Federer is playing ridiculous tonight… Hope we dont see any walkabouts… He hasnt done that for a while though.

Mat4
Ouch. Its good though once you can handle the pacing. Tarkovsky is another beast though.

Jane
My favourite Mallick has to be Days of Heaven. I liked Tree of Life too but for different reasons.


mat4 Says:

The last film I didn’t enjoy but that was really good was perhaps Ravenous. The wild west really eat people.


carlo Says:

steve27 it is what it is, “crap” when you bring up the topic often. You don’t have experience that I have working with immunocompromised people as an RN. And you don’t get enough information on it looking it up on the internet. Sorry to be rude to you.

Even many MD’s, unless they specialize in the immunology understand, okay? I apologize. But trust me on this. I also defend Rafa’s knee issues.


carlo Says:

meant – Many doctors don’t understand Mono and how it reacts unless they specialize in immunology.


jane Says:

LOL, mat4 I forgot about that film but I did see it. If you like horror films, you could seek out some classic and yet tacky Italian directors of said: like Argento of Bava. :)


Brando Says:

@Jane:

Thanks for that. an interesting expression that.


mat4 Says:

@Skeezer:

Fed is playing really well. He almost reminds me… Djokovic.


mat4 Says:

Joking aside: Ferrero deserves some compliments too.


mat4 Says:

jane: I never realized it was a horror film. Guess I watched to many films that were pure horror.


jane Says:

Well, I don’t know if it’s technically a horror film mat4, but cannibalism qualifies methinks. And I meant Argento OR Bava (not Argento of Bava).


Polo Says:

Minor correction: for infectious mononucleosis, you go to an infectious disease specialist, not an immunologist. Mono does rhyme with immunologist, though.


skeezer Says:

Ahhh now Fed farts are rearing there ugly heads and coming back into play


carlo Says:

Well, unless you work in a small town, and then the infectious disease specialist is the immunologist but technically for the lucky, you are right, Polo.


Brando Says:

maybe JCF has a chance here………


mat4 Says:

I was joking, but it seems the joke is meaningless in English.

Meanwhile, Ferrero is showing that he didn’t forget how to play.


Brando Says:

BP! come on JCF!


racquet Says:

Ferrero earns a well deserved break. He is rolling back the years tonight.


Brando Says:

VAMOSSS JCF!


skeezer Says:

Feds shankopotomous ‘s still live. JCF wasn’t doing anything specail but Feds concenration, errors and first serves went to lunch. Fed better rest his game back to the first or its gonna be a longday.


mat4 Says:

Just seen the stats: bad serving day for Fed.


racquet Says:

JCF takes the first set. This is turning into a juicy match.


Brando Says:

yabba dabba doo! GO JCF! make the GOAT sweat for it!


Rahul Says:

Got to say that Ferrero won that more than Federer losing it. Federer just needs to tighten up a bit and he can run away with the 3rd the way he’s playing.


carlo Says:

Seppi might have a chance v Ferrero.


Brando Says:

Im glad JCF won that set- he deserved it.


mat4 Says:

One set all. Fed served 44% in the second set, and JCF played very well. I don’t think there will be a surprise, but it is a good preparation for Roger to face Novak, who plays similar, if Nole beats Tsonga, which is not certain.


Kimberly Says:

For once when he plays Seppi, Roger will not be the crowd favorite, or maybe he still will!


Brando Says:

want fed to win this one- IF he doesn’t then i think my bracket sinks BIG TIME, so come on fed!

play some quality tennis- quit touching your hair like as if your in a shampoo commercial and hit some FH!


the mind reels Says:

Just like that, Fed crushes three winners and he’s up a break to start the third.


carlo Says:

My guess is the tifosi will still cheer Seppi if it’s Federer; but it won’t be the level they did v Isner or Stan. Against Ferrero…however


alison hodge Says:

^Brando LMAO at that post^,and when you said YABBA,DABBA DOO,make the goat sweat,anyway this has been a tough bracket to call,its thrown up quite a few surprises here and there,still from what i can see your not doing too bad for a 1st attempt.


racquet Says:

Was that a whiff or a bad bounce?


Brando Says:

@alison:

LOL, thanks! im doing fine for a 1st attempt- just a few certain bets have fallen through for me!

NEED to get more right than wrong from here though!

feds doing MUCH, MUCH BETTER now!


Brando Says:

i like the fact that nalbandian and ferrero have held their own in the tourny against the big boys.

nice to see that!


Rahul Says:

Awesome point. Nice to see Fed hold the trigger till the right moment for the dbl break.


blah Says:

give GasK murray’s physical fitness and he’ll do great things.he’ll get spanked by ferrer though; second worst matchup for him after nalbandian.


skeezer Says:

Fed back in “Fed mode”


andres Says:

Nice effort by Ferrero but it wasn’t enough Fed goes through in three sets


alison hodge Says:

Brando Fed can always be relied upon to come up with the goods when it really matters,also nice to see our guy looking pretty comfortable so far this week,3 breadsticks up to now,and so far not dropped a set,looking good fingers crossed,although i expect a tougher game against Berdych tomorrow.


skeezer Says:

Very happy overall with Feds performance. JCF an accomplished Clay courter and former #1. 46 winners(great) vs 36 ue’s (ugh).


Wog boy Says:

This man (Federer) is like a Swiss bank, he just keep collecting points while the others losing. Never enough:)


Brando Says:

Congrats to fed! NEEDS to cut out the UE- CANNOT do that against nole!

Also, congrats to ferrero- commendable effort.


Wog boy Says:

Brando,
Don’t talk about bracket, please. It is very painfull…for me;(
Beatufull sunny and chilli morning in Sydney.


Wog boy Says:

Meant ” beautiful”


Kimmi Says:

good day of tennis. too bad missed all the fun!! Tough matches for fed and Nole. I feel these guys needs these three setters. Winning too easy is never good for them sometimes, this way they are learning to fight it out when the going gets tough.

Too bad for murray and JMDP. I didn’t give tsonga a chance but then tsonga can be sometimes unpredictable.


Brando Says:

It’s a shame that JMDP missed out on being the new world no.8 at the final hurdle! hope he makes last 8 at RG!


Brando Says:

@WB:

LOL, it’s OK WB- i think you have done very well for a 1st attempt! Look on the bright side- there’s always another tourny for us braceteers to improve- JUST like the pros themselves:-)


Lisa Says:

A pretty good day’s work at the office Fed….


Lisa Says:

Not bad, a pretty good day’s work at the office Fed….


Angel Says:

Come on Federer one more win and you would be number 2 for the French. I would love to see a semifinal between Djoker and Nadal.


gypsy Says:

@Steve27 3:54. It is people like you who have no clue about medicine who gives us-the health care provider- scary dreams, becuase people like you tend to give friends and family wrong advice based on something you read on Wikipedia that you do not even hace a basic understanding. If you want to be a Health Care Provider like some of us who sweat it out for years, to get a degree( and we still say we do not have an aswer to so many diseases) then please enroll and learn.

So please, please stop making yourself look stupid by pretending to understand any disease process. It is never as simple as you think.


Brando Says:

Erm, NO! IF rafa wins Rome then regardless of whatever federer does, he’ll be no.2! BUT as both of them have said, who gives a flying you know what over no.2 or 3- champs only care about no.1!


gypsy Says:

Sorry for the typos. Have to run to see my next patient with mono, first diagnosed 1 yr ago.


jane Says:

carlo, Tignor wrote a piece on Seppi! Thought you might enjoy it, so I am appending the link for you. :)

http://blogs.tennis.com/thewrap/2012/05/catching-the-tape-before-seppi-there-was-adriano.html


jane Says:

^ Oops not about Seppi – got overexcited by the title – but still a good read.


harry Says:

nice one jane, thanks.

did you read “eternally new” by tignor posted yesterday? it was on david foster wallace; i liked it…


harry Says:

this, btw, is the link: http://tinyurl.com/88krhmg


Lisa Says:

Right on…..Both Federer and Nadal dont care about #2 or #3 ranking, whatever ranking thay have heading into FO……….They dont care one bit…..they both even said it….

Y is people making a big deal about #2 position?

Cause the matter of fact is, if Rafa or Roger wins FO, either of them will be #1……..Thats what they really after……


skeezer Says:

nadalista, jane, harry and others

Well I am sold on Tignor. Been reading him more since all this Bodo/Tignor thing. Bodo has his style, and Tignor his. The thing I love about Tignor is he helps put you in a place first then writes the write. I would love to be in Rome right now!

nadalista said it best for me…read Bodo over a Beer and Tignor over a fine glass of wine ( sorry nadalista…gotta leave out the baby cow )

Thanks for the links and the education ;)


skeezer Says:

Lisa,

I know what Rog has said, doesn’t matter about the ranking (2&3). But as a Fan imo it is an accomplishment that should be recognized. And the moving up is it( provided he wins tomorrow….eeeek! ). It may not mean much when doing the draw, but he has earned it with his fabulous run since after USO..


trufan Says:

Of course both Fed and Nadal care about the No. 2 ranking, but why would they say it and then set themselves up for a possible failure?

If Fed is No. 2 and Nadal is in Djokovic’s draw – its a dram scenario for Fed.

If Nadal is No. 2, he can then be sure he cannot meet Djokovic before the final, and then he would hope Federer is in Djoke’s half so that Fed can beat him in the semi – that’s Nadal’s dream draw (like last year).

Fed being No. 3 means he has to either beat Nadal in the semi, or in the final, to win, AND possibly beat Djokovic on the way. Difficult task.

Nadal being No 3 means that he could end up in a situation of having to face Djokovic in the semi, which is his nightmare, and the still play possibly Federer in the final.

With current results, DelPo looks out of touch. Murray is a gone case anyway. I don’t see how anyone other than Nadal, Djoke or Federer could win the French open this year (in that order).

I am still hoping for Berdych to sort out his mental issues and give the hammer to Nadal in Rome today.


harry Says:

ha ha skeezer! i wanted to go to rome too :-)


trufan Says:

It seems Delpo narrowly missed the No. 8 spot. What a pity. I hope he faces Nadal in the round of 16 at the French. That would be fun – especially with the crowd rooting for DelPo (they don’t like Nadal there).


skeezer Says:

trufan

Problem with Birdsh!t is this….

Well first and foremost…..he is awesome at first strike tennis. But when the games slows down and he is in an extended rally, he goes away.

When he can have a plan ‘B”, that is, stay in a rally awhile and be patient, he’ll move waaaaay up.

Another way to look at it….Rafa, Fed, Djoker can play offensive great tennis AND great defense. Birds!t is all offense. When he can be all offense and no defense required, he will beat anybody. Let’s see how it goes tomorrow….


trufan Says:

Roy,

Nadal beating Federer on Roland Garros clay (4 slam finals) is no surprise. Its slow red clay, what else would you expect from the Clay GOAT?

Nadal couldn’t beat Federer at other slam finals until Federer was past his peak, and 27+ years of age (wimbledon 2008 – and that was mighty close and a strange ending, with playing continuing in virtual darkness – at that stage, it was like throwing the dice, where the lucky one would win).

Nadal was 5 years younger, 22 years of age, at the peak of his fitness, when he beat a decling 27+ year old Federer at Wimbledon 2008 and AO 2009. Both fifth set finishes.

So nadal’s slam wins are not that Kosher. Look at his French wins – 4 are against a player with a one-handed backhand (federer), one is against Gaudia or Coria, I don’t remember, and then one against Soderling (come on). At Wimbledon, yes, he did (barely) beat Federer, and then Berdych. then AO 2009 and USO 2010 (Djokovic).

Where did he beat a top player at HIS peak, other than on clay?????????????????????? Tell me, please..


jane Says:

harry, yes I read that one. It’s so nice. I actually commented on the article today because he compels me to do so – such engaging articles.

skeezer, totally agree about wanting to be in Rome!

Lisa, ” if Rafa or Roger wins FO, either of them will be #1″

Are you sure about this? Rafa is defending the FO so he can’t gain points there, whereas Nole is defending semis points. Fed is defending finals points. I think that would come into play, but I am poor at figuring out rankings, so I could be mistaken.


sheila Says:

i’m neither a nadal or djokovic fan so i hope they both dont make it to the final of rome. unfortunately murray has been knocked out by gasquet & roger, @ this stage of his career, is not as consistent as he once was when he was younger. i’m sorry to all the nadal-djokovic fans but anybody but those 2 in a final of any tournament & i would be quite happy


trufan Says:

Skeezer,

you are right – they (even Murray to some extent) lack a plan B, and then a plan C. Adapting to current form, court conditions, and opponent form is key to success in tennis.

Fed does it better than anyone else. Look at Madrid.

Djoke has developed enough vareity over the years, and is a complete player now with immense mental toughness, so he is able to do it (now).

Nadal lacks the vareity in his game, but his superhuman fitness and resolve, couple with the one lethal shot that he has (forehand topspin) – get him out of trouble most of the time. But mostly only on clay. Outside of clay, Nadal loses quite a bit – he has always lost double digit matches in a year outside of clay, even in his peak year (2010, when he went 72-10).

Other players are all a notch below, including Murray.

I am disappointed with Delpo, a bit. Now one year into his recovery – while he has done well to be top 10, his game is much better than that. he should at least be ranked higher than Murray. But he just doesn’t have the consistency – which he had in Fall 2009.

I don’t have much hopes from players like Tsonga, Berdych, Ferrer – who are all top 8.

Raonic has shown promise, but again, needs to develop more vareity and consistency (and fitness). Isner has potential too (but he is old). Too early to say how Tomic or Dolgopolov fare – frankly, Dolgopolov seems over rated, he doesn’t have the game or the power (which is essential these days).

Still, on a good day, Berdych could possibly take down Nadal on clay, since its best of 3. He just needs two good sets.


skeezer Says:

trufan

ditto on delpo :(


Lisa Says:

Thing is, whether being #2 or #3, either of them will still be #1 if they win at Roland Garros…..

Point is, why worry youself too much about maintaining or getting #2 position and thus setting yourself up for possible failure or worse injury………when you know the big price is FO, where you got to be not just physically and mantally fit, but the right conscious…….


harry Says:

jane, skeezer, anyone –

did you think there is a change in murray’s serving patterns?

i think murray usually goes wide on the deuce court, while he goes down the T on the ad court. but in the match against nalbandian — i only watched the highlights — he seemed to go wide on both courts.


skeezer Says:

Lisa,

I am sure this is what Fed is thinking, as well he should. In fact, I am concerned and cautious he even entered Rome….what if he his compromising FO? Still, if it happens( the #2 ranking )…it proves his great and achievements since USO, no? Tough call playing here..but I am sure he knows best.


jane Says:

As I mentioned Lisa, are you sure about this? “Thing is, whether being #2 or #3, either of them will still be #1 if they win at Roland Garros…..”

harry, I noticed the second serve was better, i.e., winning more points off it, so maybe that was down to changing up the placement?


skeezer Says:

harry,

don’t get me started….hehe. I believe serving is like pitching in baseball. You develop at least 3 different( and more) serving options, and use them like you playing chess. Outthinking your opponent as to where they think you are going, and thinking ahead. Fed does this masterfully at times. Serving a kicker out wide, serving into the body, or then hitting a hard one up the T. All with variations of spin and style. What we can’t see, is some players “sell out” to there opponents by there body language when going through the service motion. Some players can see this and “anticipate” where they are going, thus the winner return.

With Murray, I have no idea what he is doing. His body language imo clearly shows he has not much of a plan on his 1rst or 2nd. This strikes me very oddly as he can be VERY creative in rallys and shotmaking. Murray IS a thinker on the court. Imho someone needs to be a serving specialist to help Murray. His second serve especially has always been suspect as guys can punch on it and dictate from there. there is a saying …forget the 1rst serve…your only as good as your second serve….and this is why Sampras was so dominant imo…his second serve was the very best ever…


trufan Says:

Fed has already won the FO before – I think he would be REALLY focussing on the grass season this year, winning Wimbledon one last time (to get to 7), and the the Olympic GOld. That would be quite an ending, with a complete resume.

Unless he is in the French Final, I think he will definitely play Halle this year, to be completely tuned to Grass courts. I don’t think he will risk injury either at Rome OR at RG – those can’t be his top priorities. He has a very slim chance of winning these, much better chance of winning on grass, so why risk that?


skeezer Says:

trufan

totally agree


trufan Says:

None of us can know what’s in any players mind, but my guess would be that Federer would even give up Wimbledon is that could guarantee him an Olympic Gold!

On the other hand, a slam is a slam, and 17 is actually much higher than 16. It gets MUCH tougher to win slams after a certain age, so the last ones are the toughest to get. Look at Nadal, he is stuck at 10. Even if he wins the French this year, its 11. Its going to be tough going from here on for him, since he turns 26 in 2 weeks time.


Polo Says:

Nadal Is the safest bet to become number one after the French. But my biggest wish is for Federer to stop that from happening. All I want is one more week for Federer as number one. No, make that two weeks.


Polo Says:

Agree with Trufan but the next two years are very critical for Nadal. He is still very capable of adding enough during that time to catch up or get very close. He has won all of them before and I believe he can win each of them at least one more time. Not to belittle Djokovic but I feel that 2011 was a fluke year. I can’t see that happening again.


Lisa Says:

@skeezer, thats correct, Federer is already #2, thats a great achievment since that journey at 2011 USO…..No one is going to take that away……..But considering the current challanges that lies ahead…….Im sure his well aware of what he needs to do before FO………that his…..he knows his limits….If any one has a better mind, he definately does……

@Jane, the winner of FO gets 2000 pts, considering that fact that Nadal or Federer is some 2000 pts from taking #1 ranking from Novak and if both Fed and Nadal makes Rome Semis or Final, which seems most likely……Im say Im really confident…….


trufan Says:

Well, with nearly 11,000 points up for grabs between Rome and USO – anything can happen on the rankings front.

Djoke is defending over 7,000.

Nadal is defending nearly 6,000.

Federer is defending only about 3,000.

This is the best chance Fed will have to get to number one, and his ONLY chance, given his age. If he gets there, I am betting he will be there for at least 2 weeks!


harry Says:

skeezer, true fed is a great server, particularly because his serves set up his next shot nicely. also what i liked about sampras’ second serve was his complete confidence in it. would be great to see the number of aces he had with his 2nd serve ;)

back to murray: hope he figures out his game soon. this link has a discussion on it by simon briggs: http://tinyurl.com/7zokt5f

yes jane, i was wondering if these little tinkering with his services had something to do with his current back situation…


trufan Says:

Polo, I agree with you about Djokovic – 2011 is something he can’t repeat.

But nor can Nadal repeat 2010.

Federer was unusual in winning 11 slams from 2004-07.

Also, when a player will stop winning slams is very uncertain – and happens suddenly. Look at Federer. After winning the 2010 AO, having been in 18 of the past 19 finals, nobody thought the tap would suddenly run dry. And look what has happened – he has been in ONLY one final since then (and that was on clay!!).

Sampras, Wimbledon 2000 – everything suddenly dried up after that, he couldn’t even win a single ATP title for 2 years, until he fluked out at the 2002 USO.

It can stop, and stop suddenly. The only question is when. It doesn’t die down smoothly.

Nadal is not likely to last as long as Federer did. For Federer, the first hiccups happened in 2007, when he was 25-26 years old. He still managed 3 slams, but it was not as great a year for him overall. Then 2008 was bad, he only won the USO. He rebounded in 2009 with 2 slams, then then the door got shut in Jan 2010 (he was 28 then).

So the door got shut for Federer at 28 years of age. Do you think Nadal’s door will remain open as long as federer’s? I don’t think so.

For most players, the door has gotten shut at 25 or 26 years of age (Mcenroe, Borg, Lendl, Becker – look at anyone).

Nadal is 26 in 2 weeks. You do the math.


jane Says:

Lisa, I believe we have to take into account what they are defending at the FO too:

Rafa is defending the title, so 2000 points.
Fed is defending finals, so 1200 points.
Nole is defending semis, so 720 points.

trufan, I think you’re right – that stretch between Wimbledon and the USO is Fed’s best chance to get #1 and hold it a couple of weeks. Post USO he has to defend over 3000 points, whereas Nole and Rafa have almost nothing to defend so one of them could end the year #1 depending…

Lots for all of them to play for indeed.


jane Says:

harry Murray said today that he’s had those back problems since December; I am not sure he’s been tinkering with his serve that long. But it may’ve exacerbated an already-exisiting condition.


jane Says:

2011 was an outstanding year for Nole, and I don’t think many people – certainly not most of his fans – expected him to repeat it. It is one of the most outstanding seasons in tennis history for various reasons. However, Nole has defending a slam and a Masters so his 2012 season, by normal standards, has been very good! He is number one in the race still thus far. I’d like to see him a little more confident and consistent on the court, but all things considered, he is having a nice season.


harry Says:

thanks jane, that puts one of the questions in my mind to rest :)


Lulu Iberica Says:

It is mathematically impossible for Rafa to get the 1 ranking until after Wimbledon. Fed could theoretically get it after the FO, but that would require a massive meltdown on Novak’s part. Roger would have to win Rome and the FO, and Novak would need to lose his next match here in Rome, then lose in the quarters or earlier at the FO. Yeah, right!


jane Says:

Thanks for clarifying Lulu! :}


Wog boy Says:

Nole is doing fine, just fine……thank you for asking:)


Polo Says:

I think Djokovic’s 2011 was better than any year that neither Federer nor Nadal ever had. But I don’t think anybody really believes that he can be viewed the same way that you do towards Roger and Rafael. He needs to consolidate that magnificent year. He won Australian but he seems to be moving backwards since then. My observation is, of the top four, Federer seems to be the one who is stepping up the most. Then Nadal. Murray is unquestionably floundering.


jane Says:

In just slam count that’s true Polo: Nole has 5, Nadal 10, Fed 16: each approximately 5 more than the other. Nole turns 25 next week. He has a 2-3 more years to get up to maybe 8 or so slams, possibly even more, which seems reasonable. And that would put him in some rather illustrious company, if he gets to 8 or 10 slams. Thus, I feel he is okay. He started off the season very well winning AO and Miami. He’s floundered a little in the clay season for various reasons, but I am not too concerned. It’s true Fed is stepping up, winning a couple Masters and some other titles, gathering momentum, and Rafa has been in a slam final and hasn’t lost a set on (red) clay. So he, too, is gathering strength. It should make for an interesting summer. Delpo, Murray, Tsonga, Berdych, and possibly others could also be factors at the next couple of slams.


harry Says:

jane –

as an aside, all these posts today about writing styles got me thinking about a book that i read recently: “the room” by emma donahue. nicely written…


Lisa Says:

Ok guys, fair enough, all I knw according to ‘www.atpworldtour.com’ 2000 pts and 1000 pts for Masters Tournaments are always up for grabs if you win any grand slams……

But am not sure how the ‘defending point system’ works………But fair enough…..


Wog boy Says:

Polo,

I don’t think word “fluke” is fair to use to explain Nole’s 2011.
AO 2012 , Miami 2012 is a prove it wasn’t fluke and there is more to come from this young man.
Fluke is just not right word and is a bit of insult for what Novak did in 2012.
Regards Wog boy


jane Says:

harry, yes I read that book: the way she uses the point of view of the child is fascinating isn’t it? And the narrative arc, with the climax coming in the middle, is also interesting, because we get a lot of the “after” part of the story. It’s dark, obviously, but about human resilience too I think. Very good book. :)


trufan Says:

Polo,

Djoke’s 2011 was not better than Fed’s 2006. Fed went 92-5, 3 slams, 4 masters, 12 titles total, 16 of 17 finals, all 4 slam finals, won the YEC – that’s far superior to Djoke’s 70-6, 3 slams, 5 masters, but no YEC, no french final.


harry Says:

true jane, the narrative from the child’s point of view was what made it compelling. i also liked the way she used a “different language” ie a child’s language. i am impressed by donahue’s ability to change the pace of the narrative so easily :)


steve-o Says:

Federer has won more titles than anyone else on tour this year.

He won tournaments that he hadn’t won in three, five, six, and seven years (Madrid, Dubai, Indian Wells, and Rotterdam). Only in 2005 and 2006 had he won two Masters titles at this point in the season. That is not a man on his last legs; he’s playing like someone much, much younger.

He’s doing well enough to move up in the rankings from #3 to #2, which is unusual for someone at that age. It’s easier for an older person to move up if he’s lower-ranked, but at the top-five level it’s much more difficult.

Sampras didn’t win a title of any kind for the two years between his last Wimbledon and Grand Slam #14.

Judging by that, you have to believe Federer is in a considerably better position than Sampras was at the same age.

Granted, the competition may well be tougher than in Sampras’ day (if you’re into the “weak era” business), but he is undeniably playing exceptionally well and has been extremely consistent this year.


harry Says:

trufan –

i generally dont like to argue who is the greatest (or in this case, whose year is the greatest).

but nole’s (#1′s) complete dominance over rafa (#2) counts for something. i dont know if a #1 has ever dominated a #2 to that extent in a year — 6 times to nothing (when both are at their peak of their careers).

this is not to say that fed’s year was not as great. i am just saying these things are not comparable. using statistics has its problems; not using it has its problems as well.


harry Says:

to conclude my previous post, fed’s 2004 & 2006, rafa’s 2010, and nole’s 2011 were all great years. i would not try to compare them and say that one is better than the others.


Lulu Iberica Says:

Lisa,
Hey, I didn’t mean to sound harsh! I really don’t know tennis the way a lot of posters on here do, but I like to waste time and play “what-if,” so I have figured out these ranking questions before. They are a bit counterintuitive sometimes. You seem a very enthusiastic poster, so please keep it up!


Lisa Says:

@Lulu, thanks, your sweet, but I wasn’t offended, rather am more convinced your right…:)….cheers!


trufan Says:

Harry,

I take your point about Djoke’s wins over Nadal (6 finals) in 2011. That was spectacular, especially since two were on clay.

However, I still think that overall, Fed’s 2006 was the best year anyone has had in the open era. OVERALL.


Michael Says:

Roger will not be obviously worried about breaking the Sampras record of 286 weeks as No.1. He knows that he has already created history by being No.1 for 237 consecutive weeks which is a stupendous record and well may not be broken for sometime to come. That means Roger has been able to consistently be No.1 for nearly four years without a break. This is an incredible performance especially in such a competitive sport. We can now well see Novak struggling to maintain his No.1 status for the second year running and whether he will maintain it or not will be known in the coming weeks. Well that gives us an insight to the greatness of this performance which only a Master like Roger can do. Now this is the year Roger has all the chances to become No.l yet again and what he has to do is simple in his analogy and ie. win Wimbledon which he has already done six times in the past.


trufan Says:

Not even amongst women has anyone been No. 1 for 237 weeks straight! That, along with 18 of 19 slam finals (that’s almost 5 years), 23 consecutive slam semi (that’s 6 years!), and 31 consecutive slam QF and counting (that’s 8 years!) will be the records that will last a LONG time. Along with 24 consecutive finals won.

16 slams may last some time too, along with 6 YEC. I don’t see anyone winning 6 YEC!! Most players don’t even qualify for the YEC six times….

Then 3 times winning 3 slams in a year – tough to beat.

Federer has way too many records – I see several of them not being broken for decades, at least.

Its like the long jump record of 8.95 meters, or the 100m record of 9.58 seconds, or the 200m record of 19.19 seconds. The long jump record has stood for 21 years, and the one before that (8.90m) stood for 23 years.

I wonder if any major individual sporting record has stood for 30+ years….


Polo Says:

trufan, thanks for the information about Federer’s 2006. You are correct, it is more impressive than Djokovic’s 2011. It was probably an illusion (for me) because it seemed to come out of nowhere because all of a sudden, he was beating Nadal regularly in a year when Nadal was healthy. And Federer was also there and competing very well. For that reason, I said that Djokovic’s 2011 was a fluke. I should not have singled him out. I believe it to be a fluke year for tennis in general because it may not happen again, not with the same cast of characters.


Polo Says:

As a follow up to my statement above, I cannot call Federer’s 2006 a fluke year because he had many other years which were almost just as good.


madmax Says:

trufan and polo, loving the discussion on the federer years, would like to add to what you said trufan:

trufan Says:
Polo, I agree with you about Djokovic – 2011 is something he can’t repeat.

But nor can Nadal repeat 2010.

Federer was unusual in winning 11 slams from 2004-07.

Also, when a player will stop winning slams is very uncertain – and happens suddenly. Look at Federer. After winning the 2010 AO, having been in 18 of the past 19 finals, nobody thought the tap would suddenly run dry. And look what has happened – he has been in ONLY one final since then (and that was on clay!!).

Sampras, Wimbledon 2000 – everything suddenly dried up after that, he couldn’t even win a single ATP title for 2 years, until he fluked out at the 2002 USO.

the point about Sampras. Sampras at that time, when he won at 2002, by his own admission was ‘done’ with tennis. He frequently reported he had lost his edge, lost his passion and did not want to continue, so winning at USO was it for him.

That is just not the case with Roger. Roger has more passion and more love for the game, I think he could go on and on.

Novak’s 2011 was magnificient. He changed his diet, he changed his outlook, he has been firing bullets left right and centre. Whilst I agree that his 2011 cannot be regarded as on a par with Fed’s accomplishments in 2007, Novak has taken the tennis world by storm, and is still as awesome in my view.

He has rocked rafa’s boat, challenging him more than ever in their recent finals, I think it adds more spice and more excitement. I am enjoying this time with the top 3 (in whatever order that may or may not change).


jamie Says:

@madmax

Federer is the GOAT, we already know that.


jamie Says:

@trufan

When all is said and done

Federer 17
Nadal 12
Nole 8
Murray 2
Del Potro 2


Deborah Says:

Actually if Rafa or Federer win French neither will be no 1 as they have 2,000 and 1200 poinnts each to defend and Djokovic only 720…he is far ahead of them.

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