Nishikori Knocks Out Roanic For Tokyo Title; Federer Begins 299th Week At No. 1 Monday; Tennis-X Notes
by Staff | October 7th, 2012, 11:37 pm
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Kei Nishikori captured the biggest title of the year upending the powerful Milos Raonic 7-6(5), 3-6, 6-0 to win the Japan Open Tokyo title. Nishikori became the first Japanese player to ever win Tokyo.

“I have not been able to play well in Japan until now, so I always thought perhaps I was not mentally strong enough to do so,” Nishikori said in a translation. “But the match against Berdych, something changed. I was able to play much better yesterday and today as well. On one side of my mind, I cannot believe I won the tournament, but at the same time, I feel that I’m happy I was able to do this.”

In the youngest ATP final this season, Nishikori stayed tough enough to take the first set after holding an early break lead 3-1. Raonic came back in the second, and seemed to have the momentum. But Nishikori was the stronger player in the end, bagelling a tiring Canadian in a third set rout.

“He just played too well. There’s not too much I could do,” said Raonic. “He played better than me and deserved to win. [In the third set], he started playing well, was reading me a bit more, and a few mistakes starting coming from me.”

Raonic, who was seeking to improve his position in qualifying for the year-end London event, had just won consecutive third set breakers over Jankp Tipsarevic and Andy Murray yesterday.

For his second career title the 22-year-old Nishikori received $308,130 in prize money and 500 Ranking points, while 21-year-old Raonic earned $138,920 and 300 points.

Nishikori is expected to move to a career-high No. 15 in the new ATP Rankings.

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108 Comments for Nishikori Knocks Out Roanic For Tokyo Title; Federer Begins 299th Week At No. 1 Monday; Tennis-X Notes

Kimmi Says:

Congrats to kei! :D Great win. I watched him against baggy and milos…he was spectacular. I was waiting to see him play like this for too long, envetually it happens..at home!! What a great way to win a home tournament with a very tough draw. Hopefully he can play consistently good from now on.


Margot Says:

Kimmi, injuries have done for him in the past, so let’s hope he stays injury free and makes the top 10 before too long.
Come on Kei :)


the DA Says:

“Since losing to Roger Federer at the Olympics, Andy Murray has only lost two matches…”

Er, don’t you mean Wimbeldon?


nadalista Says:

“How cool is Roger Federer? Death threats don’t even rattle the Swiss. “Obviously maybe it’s a little bit of a distraction, there’s no doubt about it,” Federer said of the threat. “But you have to be aware of what’s happening around you.” Yeah, just a little distraction… ”

*puzzled* Lemmeguess: you expected him to appear at the presser all knock-kneed and dishevelled stuttering, “they want to kill me!”??

#lame


Sienna Says:

Nadalista take care.

#injured yeah right!
#no fast game, no?
#soon to fall out of top5
#poker player
#handicap 3
#no passion


jamie Says:

The top 4 player that will win the most slams from now on is Murray.

Of course that does not mean he will reach double digits at the slams. Neither will Nole.

Nole and Murray will finish very close in the final slam count.


jamie Says:

The reason why Murray will win the most slams from now on from the top 4 players is because he has the least mileage AND because he has the best alignments for the next few years if you know what I mean.


Margot Says:

Really getting into astrology now…;)


rogerafa Says:

@ jamie

Is that your prediction or your friend’s? Mileage should be absolutely irrelevant if you are relying on the “best alignments”. I hope she has done a detailed analysis of Andy’s and his rivals’ charts. These guys have a convenient excuse when someone else wins. They say that the actual winner’s stars were better aligned and that they hadn’t analyzed his/her chart at the time of making the prediction. Some even say that the stars were not aligned for them to make the right prediction and that they were going through a rough patch which affected their ability to predict correctly. LOL!


trufan Says:

Without looking at stars, what’s likely is as follows:

Fed ends career with 17-18 slams.
Nadal ends career with 13-14 slams
Djokovic ends career with 9-10 slams
Murray ends career with 5-6 slams

Looks unlikely that Murray will catch up with Djokovic, not to mention Nadal. Djoke and Murray are both 25+ right now, so they are only going to go downhill from 2014 onwards.

Someone younger will come along. They always do. Nobody thought we would have the era we have had, in 2003. Same thing – in 2014, someone younger will come along and shake it up. By then Fed is done, Nadal is almost done, and Djoke murray are downhill.


trufan Says:

Again, remember, Fed’s peak was 2006 (24-25 in age).

Nadal’s peak was 2010 (23-24 in age).

Djoke’s peak was 2011 (23-24 in age).

Murray might peak in 2013, but that will be pretty old compared to others (he will be 25-26 in age). No way is Murray going to win too many slams after 2013. And 2013 will still see competition from Federer and NAdal, and of course Djokovic, and of course others.

Not that easy to get to 17 slams mate. No wonder nobody else has ever done it!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

According to ATP website:

“Federer can guarantee his place atop the South African Airways ATP Rankings by minimally reaching the Shanghai quarter-finals. Anything less, and Djokovic would overtake the Swiss by winning the Shanghai crown.”

So, almost certainly Federer will get to 300. Then it gets tough as he has so many points to defend for the remainder of the season.


jamie Says:

@rogerafa

The argie guys, you know who, took a good look at Murray’s, Nole’s, Nadal’s, Federer’s and Del Potro’s charts and Murray has the best from now until 2015 of all the players I mentioned. Which means he will win the most slams out of these guys until 2015.


jamie Says:

Of the next 12 slams, Murray will win 6 of them.

The other 6 slams will be spread between the rest of the players with Nole winning 3 of them approx.

That leaves 3 slams from now until 2015 to be won by the likes of Nadal, Del Potro, Federer and some player that might win a surprise slam like Raonic or even Berdych.


jamie Says:

Fed ends career with 17 slams
Nadal ends career with 13 slams
Djokovic ends career with 9 slams
Murray ends career with 7 slams


Steve 27 Says:

jamie, is that true? Would you bet your money in Murray the next grand slams?


jamie Says:

@Steve 27

Yep.

The only slam he won’t win is the FO.

At AO, Wimbledon and USO I like his chances of winning multiple times.

He ends up with around 7 slams.


jamie Says:

Notice the generation born in the early 90s is rubbish. Fedal are getting old, Delpo is injury prone, Nole has more mileage than Murray. Also Murray has the game to neutralize Nole everywhere but on clay.


jamie Says:

All Murray needed was confidence and now that he won his first slam more will come. He will learn from Lendl who had a similar career to Murray. Only difference is Lendl won his first slam at 24 while Murray was 25.


Humble Rafa Says:

I would like to kick your damn astroger in his crown jewels or tu tu whatever the case may be.


Alok Says:

@jamie, those players born in the 1990s are rubbish? What a revelation.


skeezer Says:

@alok,

Jamie lately has been posting rubbish and gibberish talk lately. What else is new? She talks like she just started watching Tennis when Murray/Novak starting playing…hehe


Alok Says:

@skeezer, it seems as though jaimie is quite young, so we need to excuse him/her.


mat4 Says:

I think there is a bit too much buzz about Murray. Maybe it is just sour grapes, but he still has to prove that he is there, that he can beat two top four in best of five in normal playing conditions.

Luck is a part of the game — Federer, Djokovic, Nadal had their fair share of luck too — but Murray has still to back it up. He can win big tournaments, no doubts, but he needed an abysmal quantity of luck to win his only GS, loosing four finals before, and making only five finals in four years, in a period when both Federer and Djokovic had their ups and downs.

He just didn’t break the pattern. The wind did. I still don’t see him beating Federer or Nadal regularly in slams, nor Djokovic when he is at his top.


mat4 Says:

Roger, Rafa and Novak had periods of crisis, but they demonstrated the mental fortitude that puts of them a special category of players: Rafa had injuries, then the Novak problem, but he kept coming back, tournament after tournament; Roger didn’t win a title for months, didn’t make a final, but he managed to regain the number 1 ranking when everybody wrote him off; Novak lost the Paris’ final, then two key matches at WB, then the final of the USO, but he still keeps fighting and coming back, demonstrating that he is a champion of the rarest kind.

Murray isn’t there yet. And in Australia, he will have to play two of them. I don’t say he can’t win — but I feel it is unlikely.

At the USO, with a Djokovic unable to play his usual risky game — Djokovic lost a set against Ferrer 6-1 — he won two sets… 7-6, 7-5? When the wind stopped blowing, he immediately lost two easily. Then the schedule helped him — Djokovic played a three setter the day before, and was spent in the fifth. Murray didn’t show what he can when it matters the most yet. Although Murray has the game — there’s no doubts about it — he plays at his top only when he feels he has nothing to lose.


alison Says:

Mat4 im sorry but i disagree,Murray proved he can beat two of the top 3 players back to back at the olympics,when he beat Nole and Roger,ok probably not the prestige of the GS but those matches were still best of 5 sets,ok Murray probably did have an element of luck,but so do all the top players at times,and you need that sometimes,you make your own luck,hes had his share of bad luck,this time things came good for him.


jamie Says:

Murray is going to win both the AO and Wimbledon in 2013. Just wait and see. He will have a great 2013 season better than anyone else.


jamie Says:

Murray is going to win both the AO and Wimbledon in 2013. Just wait and see. He will have a great 2013 season better than anyone else.


the DA Says:

It’s sour grapes.


jamie Says:

Murray is going to win both the AO and Wimbledon in 2013. Just wait and see. He will have a great 2013 season, better than anyone else.

Nole will win either RG or USO but not both.

The remaining slam winner is an enigma.


Margot Says:

Yes mat4, it does also sound like “sour grapes” to me.
Us Andy fans have been travelling hopefully for years now and when our moment finally arrived, it blew us all away. Please forgive us if we’re still “buzzing.”
For sure next year we will yet again be “traveling hopefully,” it’s just our steps will have a little more spring in them, I guess.
Meanwhile, “Que Sera Sera.”


alison Says:

Maybe Nole will complete the career GS at the FO,and maybe Delpo will win another USO?


alison Says:

Margot i can only see Murray going from strength from strength,he will be more confident now,hes done it the shackles are of his feet.


jamie Says:

@Alison

I don’t know… According to the Argie guys Nadal won’t be able to win a slam until mid 2013…. But that is no surprise since he is coming back from a sabbatical and I don’t expect him to win any HC slam like AO and USO from now on.

I suppose that means by mid 2013 he might, which is around June, RG. Duh.

They say Murray, Federer and Del Potro have the best charts for AO… but Murray’s is amazing and he is the likely winner of the AO. Paul Sanders(he is really good at predicting) is also picking Murray for AO and also for Wimbledon. Paul said Fed is done winning slams. That Nadal will be injured a lot in 2013 which is no surprise but he didn’t say that Nadal is done winning slams like he said for Federer.. The Argie guys also said that Murray has the best chart for the next 2 or 3 years.

According to the Argie guys, Nole won’t win a slam for a while, I suppose that could mean until USO.


jamie Says:

@Alison

I don’t know… According to the Argie guys Nadal won’t be able to win a slam until mid 2013…. But that is no surprise since he is coming back from a sabbatical and I don’t expect him to win any HC slam like AO and USO from now on.

I suppose that means by mid 2013 he might, which is around June, RG. Duh.

They say Murray, Federer and Del Potro have the best charts for AO… but Murray’s is amazing and he is the likely winner of the AO. Paul Sanders(he is really good at predicting) is also picking Murray for AO and also for Wimbledon. Paul said Fed is done winning slams. That Nadal will be injured a lot in 2013 which is no surprise but he didn’t say that Nadal is done winning slams like he said for Federer.. The Argie guys also said that Murray has the best chart for the next 2 or 3 years.

According to the Argie guys, Nole won’t win a slam for a while, I suppose that could mean until USO.

They also said that Del Potro should win a slam between 2013 and 2014.


jamie Says:

What I find interesting is that the Argie guys don’t even mention Nole for the AO! They said something about him not being able to win a slam for a while…… Paul Sanders said Nole will be Murray’s biggest challenger next year. I suppose Nole will lose some slam finals next year. His H2H in slam finals when all is said and done could be something like 9-8! Wins around 9 slams but loses 8 slam finals.


alison Says:

Jamie time will tell.


jamie Says:

Nole is very similar to Agassi and the American was 8-7 in slam finals at the end of his career.

Nole is atm 5-4 in slam finals. He reminds me of Agassi.


alison Says:

I would really love Delpo to win another GS,he is actually becoming another one of my favorite players,such a gentle giant,Rafas my favorite but if hes done,im happy with his achievements anyway,then i would love for Andy and Delpo to bag more slams,like Jamie its nice to see an underdog making a break through.


the DA Says:

And this…

“to prove that he is there, that he can beat two top four in best of five”

So using this (flawed) logic, Nole’s 1st and 2nd AOs and Wimbledon are diminished because he only beat one of the top 4 to win them?


Brando Says:

Agree with Alison, Margot and the DA- it’s just sour grapes. For the following:

1- Andy beat nole and fed back to back at the olympics. Fed and nole would call anyone a fool who even suggests that it wasn’t a big stage or that it wasn’t a big event that mattered to them.

It mattered ALOT- or else why would nole smash his racquet after the Delpo loss or why would fed say he is proud to have won the silver medal? Because it mattered alot. So andy’s kicked ass on the big stage for sure.

2- IMHO the biggest thing holding andy back was not his game but the strength of his mind. Quite simply put, on the big stage he just could not hold it together mentally.

Now he’s won the USO and that question mark has been answered, in the best possible manner.

If you look at his performance in the USO as a whole it really wasn’t spectacular at all. Even in the final, personally, i did not feel that andy played all that great at all. He was much better at Wimby and olympics IMHO.

Yet he won. He won despite the fact that nole won set 3 and 4 and we all thought andy had ruined it badly for himself. Why?

Since andy got it together mentally, showed grit, determination, fight and made sure he crossed the winning line this time.

That showed me that he’s got it mentally now and in a sense this was the perfect way for him to win: not based on the strength of his performance but more about sheer will power and refusal to lose.

So in future andy will no doubt, at least in my mind, be a tougher proposition than ever. He’s always had the game and now his sorted out the mental side.

And considering that he beat nole at the olympics and in straights, that it was nole (not fed or rafa) that he beat in order to win his 1st slam and the fact that andy has long been considered as trouble for nole- i am not in the least surprised that some nole fans feel a bit sour about andy’s win.

Let’s face it- the gap between andy and nole overall in their career is far smaller than say the gap between nole and rafa (forget the gap between nole and fed,lol. Small enough to get worried and start looking over the shoulder in fear of the man from dunblane!

GO ANDY!


Brando Says:

Following on, a quick comparison between Andy and Nole:

- Age: 25 (just one week difference)
- Career mileage: Nole turned pro in 2003, andy in 2005. So nole has been around for 9 years (to my surprise).

Now in the big categories:

1- Ranking: As we know, nole has been no.1 and andy has not ever been close to that at all. Until now. Next year for sure, i imagine andy to be a strong contender for this title. For the moment though, ADVANTAGE NOLE.

2- GS: nole has won 5, andy just the one. But interestingly nole is ONLY 5-4 in slam finals, he was 2 games away from being 4-5 in finals had he lost at AO this year. So he certainly isn’t an undeniable force in GS finals and definitely not federer or nadal (at least yet). So the gap is 4 slams, and andy could catch up to him if things go his way in 2013.

3- MS: nole 12- andy 8. Not a massive gap really, especially when you consider the fact that nole in 12- 10 in finals (55%) and andy (an awesome) 8-2 (80%). Key thing is nole has won YEC, but muzza could do that this year (hopefully) and he certainly may surpass nole in this regard.

4- Career titles: nole has 32, andy has 24. Andy has the better % in finals though (67% to nole’s 63%). The key difference here IMO, is that nole had the extraordinary 2011 season. Should andy do something similar, then again he could catch up in this regard- after all it’s ONLY 8 titles!

5- h2h: nole leads by a MERE 1 match (8-7). However, since andy’s breakthrough tourny in wimby 2008 he actually leads nole 7-4. So andy is definitely in with a shot when facing nole.

- Conclusion:

Quite obviously overall, at the moment, nole has had the better career. BUT the gap is certainly not unsurpasable at all for Andy with the key difference between the 2 being nole’s 2011 season. There is no reason really why andy cannot do something similar for himself- he stands as much a chance of doing so as nole did at the end of 2010 season.

All in all though, the gap between andy and nole is FAR SMALLER than nole and rafa or say nole and fed. It will be interesting to see where things stand this time next year. Very interesting….


Sienna Says:

Noles first slam is compromised by the mono.

This years WImbledon showed what a fluke occurance his Wimbly trofee actually was. He was so lucky to get Rafa in final.

Fed losing that fluke match against Tsongawas Novaks lucky ticket.

SO everybody diminishing Feds era should take care because FED HIMSELF COULD, HAVE SHOULD HAVE 5/6 MORE SLAMS THAT HAVE GONE BEGGING FOR SOME STRANGE loop hole in time.

But those are the trickof you Fedhaters and Rafanatics you just see it from 1side. Try an open mind and things will clear out very brightly.


mat4 Says:

@Margot, alison:

Respectfully, but I disagree. I watched the match against Rafa, last year in Tokyo, and although one could argue that Rafa wasn’t at his best, the second set was a demonstration of what AM can do when playing without stress: power, aggression, versatility, touch. I have NEVER seen him play that well in the final stage of a slam.

I don’t think the Olympics were that relevant – only the final was in best of five. I would compare it to a MS, not a slam.

Then, Djokovic was classified as a one slam wonder until he won not his second, but his third. There seems to be a pattern: when Murray lost the AO final, the conclusion was he played awfully. I watched the match a few times: he obviously made a mistake with the tension of his strings and paid for it in the second set, but he didn’t played that bad overall, especially in the third (not to mention that Djokovic didn’t bagel him on purpose in the second). When he won the USO — I was among the first to congratulate on this site — he played great, special…

A touch of reality is needed here. To write Fed, Rafa and Nole off for Murray in this moment is really premature. So, no, it is not sour grapes, especially when you read the posts that made me react (although I wrote I few times I won’t feed trolls). I don’t have anything against some buzz about Murray — especially now when his potential is clear — but let’s watch things in perspective.


mat4 Says:

@Brando:

The arguments behind the % in finals is erroneous: you have to make those finals. It is just like the Fed-Rafa H2H: to quote Federer: “I was there in those finals. Where was he?”

Murray’s best results are on fast surfaces, where his serve is more dangerous, and he won most of his titles on it. Djokovic is more versatile.

Then, for titles you still have to count on Rafa, Roger, and although Murray can beat them, he has still to do it in a slam.


mat4 Says:

Finally, it is not a comparison between Andy and Nole. Rafa still plays. Roger is still the number one player in the world. This year, Novak has overall the best results.

So, Murray hasn’t won his next 6 slams yet.


the DA Says:

@mat4

“To write Fed, Rafa and Nole off for Murray”

Honestly, who has done that? It seems to be a dialogue in your own head.

I’d also appreciate a response to my post @ at 8:01 am. If you’re going to make bold assertions you should be brave enough to back them up when they’re challenged.


mat4 Says:

@the DA:

Sorry, but I usually don’t read your posts, so I didn’t answer to your question.

My reasoning was not flawed, but your interpretation of my words. I also certainly didn’t react to fair and balanced posts from Andy’s fans. I understand that this is their moment, and that they have the right, no, the obligation to enjoy it.

But my answers, yes, were clearly a response to certain posts. Perhaps not yours, nor alison’s or Margot’s (I think I made clear which posts was a response to alison and Margot), but there were quite a few.

I also don’t feel that I have diminished Andy’s success in any manner. He is a great player, a one slam winner, but that’s all. I don’t like to predict the future — Jamie is here for that — but Nole winning 5 slams doesn’t mean he will ever win a sixth, nor Andy winning the USO means he will dominate the tour.


Reyals Says:

Andy is the future of tennis. We have already seen the best Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic can give. Andy’s best years lie ahead. Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic are declining.


the DA Says:

Well now you’re being evasive and disingenuous. You seem to be a disgruntled Nole fan who seems to resent Andy’s moment in the spotlight. You’ve made clear your dislike for him on many occasions in the past, so this is just par for the course. And I don’t think any of his fans are under any illusion that this means he’s suddenly going to easily collect more slams or dominate the other top 4. That’s pure conjecture on your part.

Ultimately it’s irrelevant what anonymous posters on a tennis blog think. What matters is that Andy’s peers (including Nole) and several retired slam champs consider his achievements this past summer to be remarkable and he has gained a new level of respect. It’s a pity some fans can’t be as classy as the players they follow.


mat4 Says:

@the DA:

First, read the posts in this thread. You will see that there was no conjecture on my part.

To answer your question. First check the facts: Nole did won against two top four at the AO 2011. Then, a GS is a GS: nobody remembers today that in 2002, e.g., Sampras was more rested than Agassi. Finally, in my other posts I tried to make my thought clear. Don’t twist my words, please.

Finally: no, I don’t like Murray. He was once one of my favourite players, but some things made it change. I clearly liked his game a few years ago, so I am perhaps “disgruntled” in his evolution.

But I don’t like Rafa too, and still I try to be fair about both, even in these “disgruntled” posts. I can be wrong, but it is certainly not on purpose.


Rafael Says:

I think it is fair to say murray will surely end his career with far inferior achievements than Federer/Rafa and he will definitely not overtake nole’s achievements either.

Murray will be very lucky to win another slam. With his stupid passive game and a forehand and serve inferior than even serena’s, he will be fortunate to get even close to nole’s achievements.

Djokovic will end with atleast 5 slams more than murray. you can bet your house on it and win a mansion. maybe you even buy the buckingham palace, if you play your cards right ;)


the DA Says:

@mat4

“Nole did won against two top four at the AO 2011.”

No, technically he didn’t. He beat Federer who was seeded 2 and then Murray who was seeded 5. At Wimbledon he beat Tsonga who was ranked 19 and then Nadal, the no. 1. So according to your standards i.e. “to prove that he is there, that he can beat two top four in best of five”, Nole didn’t “prove” himself until his USO win. In attempting to devalue Murray’s win you inadvertently diminished first 3 GS wins – It’s a slippery slope.

“Finally: no, I don’t like Murray.”

Quelle surprise! At least you’ve finally admitted it, although it has been obvious to me for ages.

“I clearly liked his game a few years ago, so I am perhaps “disgruntled” in his evolution.”

You dislike the fact that he has evolved into a better player. Yeah that makes sense.

“still I try to be fair about both”

Without much success. You’re even on record as saying you hate Rafa. Maybe that’s fair in the Balkans but it won’t wash here.


the DA Says:

correction: In attempting to devalue Murray’s win you inadvertently diminished Nole’s first 3 GS wins – It’s a slippery slope.


Wog boy Says:

DA,

How long you have been on Tennis-x? Not long enough to know that mat4 is Western European !

What is you problem with people from Balkan, do you think you are better than them just because you are what ever you are (what ever is your nationality)?
Stick with tennis, no politics. You don’t have right to judge other people based on where they are from. There is good and bad people eveyrwhere and ARROGANT too, like you.


mat4 Says:

@the DA:

I don’t really understand what you trying to do or to prove. I respectfully answered your questions in good faith just to be insulted. What is your problem? Are you trolling?

I diminished Djokovic’s accomplishments only in your twisted logic.

I didn’t say that I “hate” a tennis player. I write precisely “I don’t/didn’t like”. I don’t really care about their personalities, nor what they do outside the court. What I like or dislike are their respective games. Anyway, I have the right to have different attitudes toward a players game and his personality.

De quelle surprise parlez-vous? I never hide what “was clear to you”, nor did I “admit” anything. My opinion were known to many on this site long before you came.

What the Balkans have to do with this? Where is here?

Finally, I won’t answer to your questions any more, nor shall I read your posts. I don’t have time to waste, and I presume you don’t have too.


Margot Says:

@ Brando 10.20am 9/10. Awesome post :)
@mat4 I can’t see any of Andy fans, who’ve been on here for ages, being so foolish as to blag up Andy at the expense of Nole, Rafa and Andy. Lol we’ve waited in the wings far too long to be so foolish, and anyway tend to be uber realistic when it comes to Andy.
Your rather negative post seemed to be in response to a delightful article which I referenced from Bleacher, usually one of Andy’s harshest critics. “Que Sera Sera.”


jane Says:

Ah, well: I say, just say no to Nolandy wars. Besides which, they’ll never trump the Fedal wars. Those take the cake, with the most at stake. ;)

Too busy, missing all the matches, sigh, but wow just saw Tomic got whooped; Mayer’s a tricky player, though, and perhaps underrated. Also noticed Simon had a good win over Melzer: keep wondering if he’ll have another run like he did a couple of years ago.

Baggy and Milos about to being – would be good, but too wiped.

Enjoy the tennis all! Might have to peek in on the bracketeers soon.


jane Says:

*begin not being


bojana Says:

TO BRANDO@10:20

Can You please do the same comparison between Nadal and Federer using the same system as You did for Nole and Andy.

Hi to mat4,wag boy and Jane,are You all from Balkans?


bojana Says:

SORRY WOG BOY…


alison Says:

Sienna(AHEM) let me get this straight,all Rogers losses were fluke losses,and Rafa and Novak were so lucky to benifit everytime lol,lets see,
1)Novak AO(2008)suffering from mono.
2)Rafa FO(2008)suffering from mono.
3)Rafa Wimby (2008)suffering from mono.
4)Rafa AO (2009)still suffering from mono.
5)Delpo USO (2009).
6)Soderling FO (2010).
7)Berdych Wimby (2010).
8)Novak USO (2010).
9)Novak AO(2011).
10)Rafa FO(2011).
11)Tsonga Wimby (2011).
12)Novak USO(2011).
13)Rafa AO(2012).
14)Novak FO(2012).
15)Berdych USO(2012).
Yeah right i suppose everytime Fed looses its a fluke loss and Rafa and Novak were sooo lucky, ok fair enough the mono Rafa maybe did get lucky there and for that i will give you the benifit of the doubt,but come off it,no offence but thats such BS, sorry to say this as its not really my style,but the sad thing is that you actually believe what you are saying,give me a break ive never heard such nonsense.


alison Says:

^My apologies Fed fans as i am not in the habit of belittling your guy,i was just posting some home truths to Sienna thats all,sorry^.


the DA Says:

@mat4 – “I don’t really understand what you trying to do or to prove”

You made an inflammatory statement about a player and I challenged you to explain your reasoning. Sorry if that was too much to handle.

@mat4 – I didn’t say that I “hate” a tennis player.

This is your post from the ‘Stosur, Woz Lead Seeded Exodus at Wimbledon; X-Notes’ thread on June 27th

mat4 Says:
@Brando:

I am ashamed by my feelings. But it is the true, no? I hate Rafa. I wouldn’t if he had lost at the FO, I admit, but he doesn’t want to let anybody make the slam. It is a kind of gamesmanship. Nole would have give two AOs and a Wimbledon for that FO but Rafa…

June 28th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
————————–

So either your memory is faulty or your word can’t be trusted. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and lean towards the former. BTW, I suggest you search online for the true definition of a troll.


Wog boy Says:

bojana,

I am the only one from the Balkans, and I am proud of it. Born in the heart of Šumadija (Kragujevac) and raised in Belgrade.
jane is Canadian and mat4 is multilingual Western European with exelent knowledge of Balkan history, languages and customs and something more…:)

You don’t have to be sorry, and BTW, you have beautiful name.


Wog boy Says:

Bojana,

One more thing, I am an expatriot living in Australia for the most of my adult life, proud of it too:)


sienna Says:

Alison
you keep repeating that it is not your style, but everytime you show different behaviour with that what you say .

So I really think it actually is your style.

To answer your hostile comment towards me .

That is not what I said.

My post was a repost about the statements claiming weakera in the winning years of Fed.

Fed should and could not have won all those tourney you list.

But there are 7- 8 which with some luck or without even injury or badluck he easiley would have won .

We all know that and itis the thruth. it did not happen and that is ok because he has the most majors already and counting .
But to claim weakera is the same a Fedfan can claim moreslams. not all you have listed but fair and square a pretty big slot of them.

2008
AU open
Wimbly
2009
USOpen
2010
Wimbly USOpen
2011
Wimbly, US Open


alison Says:

Around the time that the FO finished,i remember having an altercation with Mat4 when he said Nole would give two AO and a Wimbledon for that FO,and i argued with him about it at the time,but i have to say im in complete agreement with him,cards on the table but i would love Rafa to have a couple more HC slams at the AO or USO,and would gladly swap those for a couple of FO slams,correct me if im wrong but it just seems FOs dont seem to be held in the same esteem as the other slams,seems like they are regarded as the poor mans slams unfortunatly.


Giles Says:

So mat4 says I hate Rafa”. According to skeezer’s post to EIEIO on 8 Oct “Nice to know you don’t “hate” a player. A word Rafafanatics like to use. Mmmm Wonder why?” @skeezer are you listening? The word “hate” is used by one and all!!


bojana Says:

Hi, wog boy,I am so sad that You forgot me.I know Who You are.We were taking about MY KRAGUJEVAC. You are the most polite person on this site as it should be said for Jane.I know that Jane is from west side of Canada and I am right now on the east side in Toronto.I love mat4 comments because they are different. I ask if YOU are from Balkans because some body wanted to offend people from Balkans just to offend Nole.
I love You Wog boy as we both have our roots from Kragujevac.

Hope our golden boy is going to do well to the end of this year.

Love for both Jane and mat4 and for all other tennis lovers


Giles Says:

alison. FO regarded as “poor mans slams”. Where did you get that idea from? It is the hardest slam to win and that is why Rafa has a monopoly on the FO. If it was easy we would have had a number of different players claiming the title!!!!


Rahul Says:

Wow WogBoy.. while the rest of tennis-x is slugging it out you have women professing their love for you! Quite Impressive ;)


alison Says:

Giles you could be right,but FO doesnt seem to be held in the same high regard as the other slams,sorry just saying,and im been honest when i say as delighted as i was when Rafa won the FO for the 7th time,when push comes to shove i was more delighted when he won the USO,and i would dearly love another,another FO would not mean that much anymore,its become so predictable now,however you have what you have,and im more than happy with Rafas 11 GS.


alison Says:

Rahul in between slugging it out with Sienna or Alok,i have to say i love Wogboy too.


Wog boy Says:

bojana,

I didn’t forget you, how can I forget someone from Šumadija that doesn’t like Slivovitz:)
But anyway, it is my turn now to apologise. It was a long day and I was switched on automatic pilot, now I am navigating manually, reading every post twice before I post.
Do you forgive me….say yes……please!

Rahul,

Cheeky Rahul;)


Rahul Says:

Careful Alison, we dont want this adulation to go to his head like it went to Tomic’s ;)

Wogboy, haha couldnt resist something lighthearted for a change :)


Wog boy Says:

Alison,

Thanks very much, It is better for me now to go to bed (11pm) before something falls om my head ;)
Godd night

Rahul,

No problem whatsoever:)


Wog boy Says:

“on my head”


bojana Says:

Yes, Wog boy,I forgive You,and I am sending You greetings from Sumadija I just came from.

BTW: Troicki and Tipsarevic 2:3 right now.


Wog boy Says:

bojana,

I am going to sleep like a baby now:)

Good night to you too.


alison Says:

Rahul LMAO seems like Wogboys got a bit of a fan club,and im all for some lighthearted banter,ive spent the last couple of days loosing my cool on this forum,and its not really my style,i get tired of the Fedal wars all the time,so its nice to have a break from the norm,Wogboy and myself have some common intrests too Liverpool FC and OFAH,as for Tomic im not too sure how i feel about him as a player as yet,im still sussing him out TBH.


alison Says:

Wogboy go to bed,pleasant dreams,and we will talk soon lol.


jamie Says:

Rafael Says:
I think it is fair to say murray will surely end his career with far inferior achievements than Federer/Rafa and he will definitely not overtake nole’s achievements either.

Murray will be very lucky to win another slam. With his stupid passive game and a forehand and serve inferior than even serena’s, he will be fortunate to get even close to nole’s achievements.

Djokovic will end with atleast 5 slams more than murray. you can bet your house on it and win a mansion. maybe you even buy the buckingham palace, if you play your cards right ;)

October 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

________________

Nope. Nole and Murray will finish very close in career accomplishments. Nole might end up with a couple more slams than Murray when all is said and done because he won his first slam at 20 years old. Problem for Nole is that he wasted his time from AO 2008 to AO 2011, those 3 yrs. were wasted and he should have won more slams by now. He only has 5 slams and turns 26 next year. Federer won his 12th slam the year he turned 26. Nadal won his 11th slam the year he turned 26, Sampras won his 10th slam the year he turned 26.

Nole will be gunning for a 6th slam the year he turns 26. Far away from what Federer, Sampras and Nadal were achieving.

Nole will end up with around 8 or 9 slams. Murray will end up with around 6 or 7 slams.

Not a big difference.


Rahul Says:

Agreed Alison he’s got quite a fanclub! Also agree that sometimes arguments can get too intense and tiring.

Regarding Tomic, he seems content to be part of the “players with potential” discussion, but in contrast you can see Raonic is more hungry and isnt satisfied simply giving a tough match. I like that attitude and I think if Tomic doesnt clean up his act he may fade away. But at this point Im still undecided on who to back from the new breed of players.


jane Says:

“FOs dont seem to be held in the same esteem as the other slams,seems like they are regarded as the poor mans slams unfortunately.”

Oh alison, I think that’s too bad if it’s true, and that should not be the case. Many a player would’ve loved a FO to add to their resume. Roger had to wait a while to get his and fought hard for it too; Sampras never got one, nor did J-Mac (so so close, but Lendl snatched that one ;)). And frankly, the FO is the main thing I’d love to see Nole still accomplish. So I don’t know. Personally, the only things I don’t like about the FO are the crowds sometimes and the lighting situation.

Hello to you too bojana!! Hope you are well, and nice to see that Nole won versus Dimitrov. Cheers.

Finally, I agree with others; Wog Boy is a sweetie.

Rahul – thanks for the fun line. :)


skeezer Says:

@Giles

I don’t hate anyone. Its a word that imo reflects back on the person who uses it. Rafanatic fans use it like maple syrup.

Cannot speak for Mat4, but find it very hard to believe he is a “hater”. He seemed clarify his feelings in his last post.

“The word “hate” is used by one and all”.

Geez, in this world? I hope not!

It still seems the word “hate” is used in exagerration by Rafa fans who use it as a sword to accuse, spew, and justify there jealousy mostly of Fed. After years on this blog, I have read very little from regular posters saying directly they “hate” any player.


Giles Says:

skeezer. I haven’t been on this forum long but I don’t recall any Rafa fan using the word “hate” directed to Fed or any other player. It is the Fed fans who spew abuse at Rafa – take your Sienna for an example. There are many others in your camp who do the same.


Margot Says:

Sensible folk would “hate” Hitler, Idi Amin, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc. Never tennis players.
I find such over-use of the word on tennis sites incredibly depressing.


Giles Says:

^^^ Yeah agree. Take it up with mat4!!


Dave Says:

Uncle Toni on Rafa and Roger (unfortunately it’s in French so use Google Translate if it doesn’t translate automatically)
http://tinyurl.com/8bbvhx7


skeezer Says:

giles,

no the word “hater” comes from many rafa fans…..and not this site alone…..you don’t need to be on these blog sites long to read that….

I am not going to defend a few like Sienna. Maybe you can post all the posts where she says I hate Rafa so you can share it with all. You can always find the “ones’ but surely is not “all”.

@ margot

spot on.


dari Says:

http://www.rogerfederer.com/en/esp/news-detail/news/4178-gewinner-des-briefschreibewettbewerbs.html

From roger’s website the winner of the international letter writing contest for youth wrote a letter to Roger Federer!
Very imaginative and touching letter, with a greqt message us older people need to remember!

Best to Roger in Shanghai! Go get it!


Giles Says:

skeezer. BTW Rafa fans are not jealous of Fed – we are more than happy with Rafa’s glorious career so far and his great achievements not to mention the H2H with Fed which many Fed fans choose to play down!! #rafaisthebest


Brando Says:

@Dari:

Wow… thanks for the link. The kid wrote a brilliant letter, very touching and sweet!

Well done Marios!


alison Says:

Sienna you can give but you cant take,and thats always been your problem,youve made sly digs in my direction in the past,maybe i did come across as been rather aggressive and for that im sorry,but hell im not perfect,but i still stand by my post,and if you go back and read it again, i made no mention of the week era,as i dont believe in it,you beat whomever is stood in front of you end of,the winner wins the looser looses,you have what you have,whether you could have,should have,would have won more if this or if that,is completely irelavant,and means doodle squat in the real world,however if your comfortable with wishing for what could have been thats entirely up to you,apologies again.


Jannet Says:

Why are there always debates about who’s fan base is worse. Both fanbases have people that hate and disrespect other players.


alison Says:

Nice link from Dari very touching,what a lovely young boy.


alison Says:

Im a Rafa fan,i dont hate Federer,im not jealous of his achievements,im happy Rafa has what he has,and i couldnt care less about the H2H either,the only thing i want my favorite to do is beat whomever is stood in front of him.


sienna Says:

If you reread you would notice that I was not referring toyou .dear Alison.

Still you got the drift or itch to counter my comment. Then you also must have read that it was made as counter for the weakera. So non of your post was neccesairy because you dont believe in it.

Anyways you felt that itch to react on my my comment and not on the weakera comments so what does that say abiut you?
Anyway I am glad you agree with me.


Alok Says:

@jannet: Very true. When fans wish for another player to lose, and are happy when they retire from a match, or get injured, I think that some hate has got to be there to make them feel so happy. Hey, it’s not like they are sad when the events occur, so it’s gotta be hate. Yes? No? Both?


Alok Says:

Fortunately, I’m not so very invested in tennis, and watch the sport as a pasttime. I however, form attachments to some players, and when they are absent from a tournament their absence leaves me feeling that something’s missing. It’s like having a BLT sandwich, without the bacon, but I’d still eat. Same goes for tennis if one of my faves are missing, I’ll still watch the match but I doubt that 100% enjoy it. .

I understand how the Nadal fans feel now that he’s off the tour, because I felt the same when Fed had skip some tourneys due to mono and I sympathize with them, because many of them would be here posting. if Rafa was playing. So sorry he’s not plays guys.


alison Says:

Jane i really appreciate where your coming from,and i know what a FO would mean to you been a fan of Nole,as its the only slam he has not won,and Roger only needed that to complete his resume but some people dont regard Rafas achievements as been that impressive because most of his slams are on clay,so in actual fact when Nole wins the FO,which im sure he will at some point,he will be regarded as a complete player(he already is anyway), where Rafa will never be regarded as a complete player unfortunatly,even if Nole were to finish his career with less slams,dont get me wrong im not resentfull of Noles success,but i cant help been a bit envious of his HC success,sorry just been honest.


skeezer Says:

@alison

There is a “certain” group, you’re not in it, and you know it ;)

@dari

thanks for that, great read :-)

@Giles

Rafa has ( not over yet! ) had a glorious career. 7 RO’s….who’s gonna touch that in the near future?

Nobody.


alison Says:

Thanks Skeezer i know what you mean.


alison Says:

Sienna eh im sorry but i havent a clue what your going on about,but as long as you do carry on.


jane Says:

alison, it seems that most pundits, ex-pros/greats and current pros of the sport consider Rafa and his achievements to be in the pantheon of the all time greats. 11 slams. 7 at the FO. A career slam. All by the age of 26 years. These are amazing accomplishments and he can still do more. His history on the court will speak for itself when all is said and done; you needn’t worry too much about what others think. Rafa’s a complete player enough player to have achieved all that he has and that’s a lot.


alison Says:

Thanks Jane i apperciate your comment.

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