Davis Cup Wrap: U.S. Sputtering, Swiss Fail, Kazakh Win$
by Staff | February 3rd, 2013
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Kazakhstan d. Austria 3-1
The best Davis Cup team money can buy, Kazakhstan defeated Austria, clinching in the first singles match on Sunday when Andrey Golubev defeated Jurgen “Tuna” Melzer in four sets after dropping the first set. The Kazakhs took a 2-0 lead after Day 1 when Golubev beat Andreas “Don’t Be a” Haider-Maurer in straights, and Evgeny Korolev defeated Melzer in straights. Austria got on the board in doubles when Julian Knowle and Alexander Peya defeated Golubev and Yuriy Schukin in straights. The final dead rubber singles wasn’t played at the Kazakhstan National Tennis Center in Astana on the red dirt. Kazakhstan will now host the Czechs in the quarterfinals.

Czech Republic d. Switzerland 3-2
Former world No. 1 Roger Federer does his annual skip-and-defend (skip the first round, hope your team wins), and now will have to play to keep Switzerland from falling out of the World Group later this year. Swiss Stan Wawrinka won the opening singles against Lukas Rosol, but it was all Czech from then on as Tomas Berdych took control of the tie, winning his first singles over Swiss Henri Laaksonen (?!?), the doubles with Rosol over Wawrinka-Marcos Chiudinelli 24-22 in the fifth set, then his second singles over Wawrinka in four sets. Thanks Rog, from the Swiss team, and the Czech team. The Czechs will next travel to Kazakhstan in the quarterfinals.

Canada d. Spain 3-1
The Canucks advanced out of the first round of the Davis Cup World Group for the first time — ever — when they defeated Spain’s “B” team in the first singles on Sunday when Milos “The Missile” Raonic defeated Spain’s Guillermo Garcia-Lopez 6-3, 6-4, 6-2 to put Canada in the second round where they will next host Italy. Spain was the top seed in the 2013 Davis Cup competition, but was without the “injured”(?) Rafael Nadal (who is playing next week) and Nicolas Almagro, and without David Ferrer and Fernando “Hot Sauce” Verdasco, who reportedly both took a pass on the tie. On Friday Raonic opened with a four-set victory over Spain’s Albert Ramos.

Serbia d. Belgium 3-2
Novak Djokovic and Viktor Troicki teamed to whitewash the Belgians 3-0 in singles and doubles. Troicki beat Belgian David Goffin, Djokovic defeated Olivier Rochus, and the Serbians topped Darcis and Ruben Bemelmans in doubles.

France d. Israel 5-0
The high-powered French team of Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Richard Gasquet, and Michael Llodra and Julien Benneteau blow out the Israeli team of Dudi “Where’s My Car?” Sela, Amir Weintraub, Jonathan Erlich and Noam Okun. France will next play at Argentina.

Argentina d. Germany 5-0
Not unlike Spain, few teams can go into Argentina on the red clay and come out with a win, and a Tommy Haas-less German team is no exception. Argentina’s Juan Monaco and Carlos Berlocq in singles, and David Nalbandian and Horacio Zeballos in doubles, blank Germany’s Philipp Kohlschreiber, Florian Mayer, and Tobias Kamke/Christopher Kas in doubles. Argentina will next host France in the quarterfinals.

Italy d. Croatia 3-2
Marin Cilic kept the Croats in it on Sunday, defeating Andreas Seppi in straight sets in the opener on Sunday, but Italy’s Fabio Fognini proved the hero in the fifth and deciding match, defeating Ivan Dodig in four sets after dropping the opener 4-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4.

U.S. tied with Brazil 2-2
In a stunning turn, the U.S. doubles team of Bob and Mike Bryan failed to close out a 2-0 lead for the U.S. on Saturday, then Thomaz Bellucci evened the tie at 2-2 with a five-set win over a fatigued John Isner on Sunday. In the decider, American Sam Querrey put the home fans on the edge of their seats by losing the first set before defeating Brazil’s Thiago Alves in four sets. The U.S. will host Serbia in April in the quarterfinals.

 


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148 Comments for Davis Cup Wrap: U.S. Sputtering, Swiss Fail, Kazakh Win$

roy Says:

during the swiss czech tie, the absurdity of the roger cult was highlighted by a fan caught on camera.
this fool had come to the tie wearing an RF jacket.
even while his hero had abandoned the team in its home tie, this man still somehow attached roger federer to the event. in fact this fan was making more effort than roger federer in this tie, much more.
or perhaps this man wasn’t a fool, but actually believed that roger federer would show up. maybe that’s even more tragic.

and besides federer’s complete lack of leadership and honourable qualities, he’s also a man without tactical awareness.
roger and stan would have beaten berdych and rosol.
now look at those teams up above. this is a weak year for davis cup and with stan in good form again this year federer had a big chance of winning.
if there is any year you show up to your home tie 1st round against berdych, it’s this year, the year spain is compromised with a compromised nadal. without nadal, or 100% nadal, federer and stan could beat spain even on clay.
argentina has a fading monaco and nalbandian. usa is without roddick.
serbia is beatable even with novak if you win the doubles. france likewise especially with tsonga being injured every second week.

this was roger’s chance. and stan’s too of course. but who cares about stan i suppose. right, rog?


joe Says:

Thought Rog wanted a Davis Cup on his resume but guess not


Sidney Says:

Leave Rafa and Roger alone. They both have done enough for their home countries in the past. It is not their fault that their home teams have not developed other players to compete in Davis Cup play.

I would like to know what you guys had to say about Djokovic skipping Davis Cup last year. Could they have won with him? More probable than Switzerland winning it in my estimation.


mat4 Says:

I don’t really know where to paste this, about Novak’s new racquet:

“In layman’s terms, swing weight is how much power the racket can deliver relative to its weight. The heavier the swing weight, the more power you’re going to have.

“The Speed racket that Novak is playing with now was 11.8 ounces last year,” Petersman says as way of comparison. “This year’s version is 11.1 ounces, and yet the swing weight is almost 20 points higher. Most tour rackets fall between 290-300, while Novak’s new one is 311.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/tech/post/_/id/3853/gear-test-head-youtek-graphene-racket


Mila Says:

Sidney,

Why bringing Djokovic in this discussion? Sore loser Federer fan.

Zip it up and go to your room put on Roger Federer jacket and watch Rolex commercials on an endless loop…


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

LOL! I like how tennis-x staff say rafa injured (?)

super guys, I am sure most tennis reporters are tired of rafa and his faking injuries.

I guess he was too injured to play davis cup, but not too injured when they pay you the money like the south american tournies are paying!

Oh yes! guys, rafa is the most patriotic tennis player out there!


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

Federer is not a leader? He was not the one who quit the ATP player leadership role.

We all know who that quitter was? Quit because ATP won’t slow down courts even more, will not introdcue 2year rankings [oh that was a gem!]. sulking like a clown who knows he is not a leader!

Atleast Federer is his own man and doesn’t need an uncle to babysit him through every tourney.

I am sure nadal can soon go to the playschool that federer will join his kids in. I hope uncle toni will give him permission.


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

Mila:

Do you have the sole rights on djokovic? Let me guess, you are a serbian and think no one else should comment on Djokovic, because you are the only one who “understands” djokovic.

If Federer is wrong in quitting this year’s DC, so was novak, for doing the same last year. At the least, djokovic has a more competent team than what federer has. oh, also federer is 31 and djokovic was only 24.

How about you crib about the point that the media needs to realise that DC is worth crap to the top guys. If the players thought it was important, it would get 2000 points like Wimbledon and other slams and not get treated like a loser tournament.

Even in serbia’s win that year, the heroes were tipsarevic and troicki. Djokovic was always expected to win. but losers like tipsarevic and troicki actually won matches to get serbia the davis cup. Did djokovic/nadal win 3 points in a DC tie like ljubicic or fed or mac has done for their countries?


grisham Says:

Sidney
I think Stan and Fed could win Davis cup. They would def. take the dubs and yes, they could win the singles/reverse singles. They could win it all.


Humble Rafa Says:

Talking from experience here..if you use the Arrogant One’s name and “sore” in the same sentence, you will get whipped in this forum.

Just a friendly hint, that’s all.


Mila Says:

Brazil federer fan,

Of course I do not have sole rights on Djokovic or Federer or anyone else. But I do have a suggestion for you:

Go on and put your replica RF white Wimbledon jacket with #15 embroided and go to your room and watch Roger’s Rolex commercials on endless loop. But keep the volume on low, otherwise your mom would yell at you… and you would then yell back at her something like: You f…ing stop mom!!!

It is just a friendly suggestion… Boa noite.


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

Grisham:

Federer has to play 3 best of 5 matches in 3 consecutive days and do it 4 times in a year at the age of 31. Even after that, there is no guarantee he is going to win the whole stupid thing.

All this for winning a DC? I would rather Federer invest that energy in the slams and see if he can be the 1st guy to 20 slams. Now that is a smart move.

I am glad Federer and his team are smarter than most clowns here who have no idea of how the world works.


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

Most people who criticise fed for not playing davis cup are:

a) sore loser rafa fans who want to see federer’s career also end like how rafa’s is ending. [in a wheel chair]. Look at roy’s post above.

b) djokovic fans who are afraid federer might regain the no.1 from their boy. [Mila above]

c) dmbzzes who have no idea how the world works. [most stupid people fall in this category. such jokers think DC is more worthy than a slam! LOL]


Thomas Says:

@Brazil Federer Fam
Perhaps I would tone down the language a bit, but I definitely agree with you main points about Federer and Davis Cup(and those who criticise him for not playing enough!)


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

Just to be clear, I am a fan of djokovic too, but not of people who support djokovic just because their nationality/ethnic origin matches with his. [like Mila above].

I would like to think people understand the greatness of a player’s game before they support the player and not blindly support them for stupid reasons like i mentioned above. This also includes rafa fan girls, who have no clue about tennis, yet they like rafa because he looks like a guy they would like to sleep with. I hate it when people have their brain so far down south in their body!


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

Thomas!

I would too if moderators would moderate people like roy and mila for their stupidity.

Unfortunately we live in a world where people think cursing is more offensive than being stupid!

Moderators :

can we call rafa the butt-picker? i see you have given license to people to call federer arrogant?


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

Messi may never win a World Cup in football, but he is definitely a greater player than any spannish football player in the team that won the World Cup.

Same goes for Fed. Let’s face it, the World Cup of tennis is Wimbledon and not Davis cup.

Guess who is the only guy to have 7Wimbledons and also win 5wimbledons in 5 straight years?

Mr. Roger Federer!


courbon Says:

@Brazil Federer Fan:Thomas got a point.Your views are usually right (we can agree on everything, can we?) but sometimes your language is bit strong (it makes your views look cheap).I know its not my bussines,It’s just a friendly advice-I do agree with lost of things you writte.And yes, I’m Novaks fan but Federers achivments are in the league on its own (like Messis…)I only have a respect for him (and I’m not being diplomatic, but I like Rafa too-as a player )


Mila Says:

Brazil fed fan,

You know nothing about tennis bro. You are just a Roger’s fan boy with a single digit IQ. Your post and language show it clearly. Keep watching those Rolex commercials and your IQ will go even lower…

Novak won 5 GS in 2 years time (Jan 2011 – Jan 2013). It is reasonable to assume he will keep that average for the next 6 years, i.e. until he’s 31. That would make his GS total 21.

And that’s what bothers you bro. The inevitability of that moment. You boyfriend Roger already started cursing on the court and his wet dream-fans like you are cursing on these pages. It will only get worse, bro. Roger knows it, you know it, Rolex knows it, Mirka knows it, Luhti knows it, Wintour knows it.

You know nothing of tennis and are afraid of Novak inevitability. He is the best player on the planet and not arrogant like your boyfriend Roger. Although he hits “lucky” shots from time to time, especially when match point down to Roger. I bet that gave you a few grey hairs and an ulcer.

And you’re not fooling anyone when saying you like Novak too. You are just preparing for a transition – when Novak passes Federer in GS titles you’ll be first to claim you are Novak fan. Not welcome in the club, bro.

And BTW, I have followed Novak’s game since Miami Masters 2007 and know more about tennis than you ever will. Stick to beach volleyball, bro and tone down the language since you seem to be new here.


Thomas Says:

“Novak won 5 GS in 2 years time (Jan 2011 – Jan 2013). It is reasonable to assume he will keep that average for the next 6 years, i.e. until he’s 31. That would make his GS total 21.”
No, it’s not reasonable to assume that.


Wog boy Says:

courbon,

Stay out of this, Mila is quite capable person to defend herself though I am surprised that she didn’t realise that RFF is not new on this blog, name is new. Go for it sis;)
I didn’t know it is crime if you are American and you support American player, or that applies only to people of Serbian descent?


Wog boy Says:

I meant BFF and not RFF.


Mila Says:

@Wog boy’
I didn’t know about the name change. What was BFF’s previous name?


Wog boy Says:

Mila,

It wasn’t one it was few names, you can change the names but you cannot change your style (and language). I am pretty sure you will work it out, since you already had “conversations” before with the same person, not pleasant one, and I have been reading this blog for something like two, two and half years.


nadalista Says:

Poor Fed, having such looneys for “fans”………
You have to be seriously disturbed to be this foul-mouthed.


jane Says:

“I didn’t know it is crime if you are American and you support American player, or that applies only to people of Serbian descent?”

Wog boy, you make a fair point. Many of us are inclined to support players from where we live. Perhaps not only them, and perhaps not firstly them either. Perhaps in tennis it’s not as common as other sports, too, since tennis an individual sport. For example, I’m not Serbian but l cheer on Nole. And yet, I do feel proud of the Canadian DC team today; it’s hard not to feel some support for your “local” or national players. Anyhow, there seem to be no hard and fast rules for fandom that’s for sure! :)


Giles Says:

Wog boy. Yr post Feb. 4 , 1 22 am. A couple of names come to mind, TJ and Rafael. (He had the cheek to choose “Rafael” as a moniker)! Just guessing but sounds the same. Uses salty language! Pfffffft!


alison Says:

BFF 11.43PM Feb 3rd,i find it quite patronizing sometimes,when Rafas fans are stereotyped as only been interested in him for his looks,when it could just be possible that female fans of Rafa actually like the guy because hes an amazing tennis player,after all the guy has won 11 GS,excuse me but not all of us are that shallow,besides many female fans compliment players on looks,and its not only Rafa they talk about when doing so,Jane compliments both Nole and Rafa on their looks,Madmax compliments Roger on his looks,Wogboy and Mat4 say the same about Maria,so its not just Rafas fans or female fans,so why is it such a crime?or do you think we are all that shallow?


Wog boy Says:

alison,

You forgot Colin and Pironkova.


Sidney Says:

grisham,
I didn’t say Switzerland couldn’t win Davis Cup. I said Serbia was more probable to win it than Switzerland. Not just because of their singles players, but equally important, is that they have a doubles specialist in Zimonjic. I don’t know if the Swiss team has a doubles specialist as good as Zimonjic.


alison Says:

Wogboy i realised after i posted lol,but anyway you get my drift though.


Sidney Says:

Mila,
I am fan of Nole, Roger and Rafa, in that order.

I just don’t like these people whole label themselves as “Staff” but be blatantly for or against some players. In my mind, they should stay neutral. If they couldn’t, then they should join us “fans” in the Comments section.


Wog boy Says:

Sidney,

I didn’t want to get inbetween Mila and you, but since you are here now I just want to say that you are very fair poster, at least for me. Just my take, not that it matters.


Wog boy Says:

BTW, Serbia is playing USA in QF.


alison Says:

Thomas agree i dont know why some posters think that they have a monopoly on who knows more about tennis than anyone else,ATM its all based on assumptions and posters predictions,after all whos to say both Roger and Rafa wont add to their GS tally anyway?


alison Says:

^Just to add i work in a care home for the elderly,and we have a saying to ASSUME means to make an ASS of U and ME,in other words never assume anything^.


Sirius Says:

Well, well, well grand slam #21 is very possible for the BEST PLAYER IN THE PLANET…. Novak Djokovic!

Good thinking. The person who thinks like that knows BEST about tennis :)


Wog boy Says:

I posted before finishing, good thing, since they will play in USA, is they will already be in America for IW and Miami and they will play week after Miami and two weeks(methinks) before MC. How good or bad is that for Nole? How tired he will be after IW and Miami to play DC? I guess we will find out.


Sirius Says:

To reach GS #21 from GS#6 you WILL need 15 more. Thats not very easy task especially when you are almost 26 years old :)


grendel Says:

and there I was, alison, assuming you were a honey. OOOOH, yes I know! By the way, there is a female tennis player who can look really quite ugly, and yet when she is moving – as tennis players will – is strangely alluring.


Thomas Says:

To expect Djokovic to reach TWENTY ONE slams is nothing more than a pipe dream. Even if nadal,federer and murray were to suddenly drop dead,I still think he would fall short of that mark…


alison Says:

Grendel lol yeah i see what you mean,im thinking Stepanek (no disrespect to him)but i see him that way,he has quite a facinating game to watch,a lot of variety,he was once engaged to the lovely Martina Hingis,and now married to the gorgeous Nicole Vidisova,and i cant help but think to myself,my god that man must be great in bed,to pull such beautiful women lol,but a great player to watch never the less.


subo Says:

roger gets a hair cut shore nadal gets one roger leaves img nadal does the same thing stop doing what roger does nadal is jealous of roger big time


alison Says:

Just to add i have to say i agreed with what Kimberly said some months ago,in that Berdych is the hottest male player there is ATM,but i will never root for him,but only against him as i cannot stand the guy as he is so arrogant,much prefer the more polite,friendly,humouress bubbly Stepanek,who may be less easier on the eye,but is much less up himself also,proof that looks alone in a player do not alone cut it.


Sirius Says:

@subo

what does it matter to you if nadal cuts his hair short? what does it matter to you if he does the same as roger?? its not a crime, is it??? you better be happy assuming that the person you hate most follows the person you’re a fan of


alison Says:

Sirius great post, Subos posts are exactly the same each and everytime,ive been posting on this forum for nearly 18 months now,and its took me this long to realize that H/S is a Roger fan,H/S tells us repeatedly that Rafas doping and thats about it,as H/S never has sent in a post about Roger or his achievements or got involved in a coherent discussion concerning anything else even remotely tennis related,the day that actually happens i will not be here anymore,as i will have dropped down dead of a heart attack with the shear shock of it,personally i cant see the point why waste such nervous energy?


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

Mila:

keep continuing your existence in la-la land. 21 slams for djokovic? OK!I see some people have already seen you for what you are!

That is what happens when you have 0 tennis knowledge and admire a guy for very shallow reasons [ethnicity, looks, etc]

Alison, if you are not shallow minded, good for you. I would say you should save your preaching to people like Roy. I guess you find that very enlightening and enriching? If clowns like Roy and Giles weren’t let out of stupidity school, you wouldn’t have to read stuff from my side.

Courbon and Thomas:

I get your point guys, and thanks for understanding my points.

Wog Boy:

Where did i say it was correct for americans to support american players for the sole reason that they are americans and with 0 tennis knowledge? Or did you catch the stupidity from Mila? I guess you will HAVE to support her, whether she is right or wrong!

I think it is stupid and juvenile to support someone for pure jingoistic reasons. That is the main cause for loads of troubles in this world.


Jack Lewis Says:

“Novak won 5 GS in 2 years time (Jan 2011 – Jan 2013). It is reasonable”

He is probably the only guy in the open era to win 3 australian opens in 2 years. I guess the 5th grand slam title had to be put in there to make the 2 digit IQ math work.


Sirius Says:

Thanks alison. just to inform you that i’m not a nadal fan, but i just couldn’t see the point of criticizing nadal only for his haircut! i know there are some things nadal has been doing since 2008 wimbledon that are similar to Roger Federer. for example, the sleeveless had gone, collars came out(FO 2009) ; the long hair got a bit shorter. probably he followed federer as a world #1. thats not a bad thing imo. many regards roger as a role model. what if nadal does too?


alison Says:

BFF Giles and Roy are just like you entitled to their opinions,just like you are entitled to yours,but that does not mean to say because they are Rafa fans that i agree with each and everything that they say,or disagree with you because you are not,and im not trying to preach i was merely giving my opinion when you felt the need to stereotype Rafa fans as been that shallow as only been interested in the guy for his looks, after all this is supposed to be an open forum,my post had nothing to do with either of them,i wasnt trying to start a war of words with any poster,i only come here to talk tennis,sometimes i wonder why i bother on days like this.


Swiss Maestro Says:

Alison! Don’t bother explaining why you are a Rafa fan! 11 slams is more than enough reason to follow Rafa.

You are a great Rafa fan and dont have to worry about anyone accusing you. Good luck to Rafa on the comeback.


alison Says:

Sirius personally thats what i liked about Rafa the short sleeves,long hair,long shorts bandana,for me it set him apart from the rest,maybe he just wanted a more maturer look the older he got who knows?anyway as you say no need for posters to make a big thing about it.


Swiss Maestro Says:

21 slams for Djokovic is a REASONABLE prediction?

That is the funniest thing I have read. Are you sure you are not Djokovic’s lunatic mom? I don’t think even his mom would be wishing this number!

Thanks for the laughs!


Giles Says:

I think you have to blame Nike for the sleeves and collars. I think all Rafa’s fans would like him to revert to the sleeveless and Capri pants but that ain’t gonna happen unfortunately!!


alison Says:

Giles yeah agreed,thanks for the link on the other thread about Rafas Grandad BTW truely beautiful.


alison Says:

AWW Thanks Swiss Maestro for those sweet words,and i hope your namesake goes on to have another terific year,which im sure he will anyway,and great to see you posting again too BTW.


Sirius Says:

Alison, i agree with you. i liked his wild look too, but as you said probably he tried to look more maturer, so he decided to change his look


grendel Says:

alison – I wouldn’t say Stepanek is humourless. Also, he has a way – or did, he’s kind of ancient now – of getting underneath other players’ skins. Petr Korda enraged Sampras by doing that sort of scissors jump after beating him – His Coolness was definitely not amused – and Stepanek would do that sort of thing in the middle of a match, especially if he won a shot after being a little down. I think it was calculated. He was and is a very attractive player to watch, I agree.

The thing about Stepanek’s looks is really his mouth. He has these great slobbery lips which put you in mind of a large and dead fish. Now Hingis – who could be pretty I agree provided she kept her gob shut – had the most tremendous set of snappers. She would often play with her mouth wide open and her teeth all over the place. I remember listening to a veteran BBC commentator who was observing la Hingis in a doubles match. “Isn’t she lovely, isn’t she wonderful?” he spluttered over the air, and you worried a little for the state of his heart. The thing is, he thought she was smiling in a sort of carefree way as a 15 year old might. But she wasn’t smiling at all. Her mouth just happened to be wide open, teeth prominent.

When I heard she’d got together with Stepanek, I was overcome by a disagreeable vision. Those lips in conjunction the teeth, I imagined David Cronenberg in the wings with his camera on the alert….


Seth Says:

Really don’t care about Davis Cup much at all, all the rah rah nationalism and what not. As such, I rather like that Federer doesn’t seem to give a hoot about it. If I were a pro, I wouldn’t either.


Humble Rafa Says:

Mr. Vaidisova is a good lover, apparently. He picks up girls quickly and efficiently…we are told.


alison Says:

Grendel lol fantastic post,i meant humouress not humourless,as hes actually quite a funny guy sometimes,excuse the typo.


alison Says:

Humble Rafa thats the only conclusion i can come to about Mr Vaidisova in that he must be a sex god in bed lol.


Giles Says:

alison. Did you read the article I posted on Rafa’s clothing?


alison Says:

Yeah i did thanks Giles,i still loved the old look the best though.


skeezer Says:

For all you lovers of Euro Soccer;

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130204/match-fixing.ap/?sct=hp_t2_a8&eref=sihp

And you thoght Lance is a cheater? Hahahahahaha


nadalista Says:

Yes, Lance was/is a cheater, so are the football match-fixers…………..

One does not make the other less or more of a cheater, they are cheats! Only difference is, haven’t come across anybody making excuses for the football cheats……….


nadalista Says:

……..one thing’s for sure: when those match-fixers are caught, they won’t by lounging on some sofa holding Oprah’s hands, they will be looking at holding Stevie’s hands in the slammer!


Fritz Says:

Despite many fans on this site not agreeing with the notion, I think it will be Andy and Novak contesting 3 GS finals per year on average for the next 5-6 years.
Federer has no chance against these two at any GS except Wimbledon (and the Wimbledon chance will apply for only 1-2 more years due to his advanced age).
Nadal, it appears now, has no chance outside RG, and depending on his health even RG could be a question mark in future.
Tsonga, DelPotro, Berdich could make 1 or 2 GS finals in the next 5 years but no more than that.
Young guys, Raonic, Harrison, Dimitrov, Tomic, could also make 1-2 final in the next 5 years.

All that leaves Andy and Novak playing 3 out of 4 GS finals every year for the next 5-6 years. Let’s assume they split them evenly, that makes Andy’s GS total around 10 and Novak’s around 15. Perhaps the more realistic scenario, based on their GS history is that Novak gets a mental edge and they split them something like 67/33 in Novak’s favour. In that case, Roger’s under 20 GS legacy will be overshadowed by Novak’s over 20 GS achievement.
And please rabid Roger fans, spare me your overprotective barking – this was nothing but a point of view. And not so unrealistic if you consider all factors.


alison Says:

Fitz i see what your saying and it all seems plausible,but having said that even though Roger/Rafa aint dominating anymore doesnt mean that they are done either,so to overhall,either will be difficult,he could overhall Rafa as that would seem more realistic,but Roger would be a very tall order,in 2011 it was all Novak who Rafa had to worry about,before that Novak had nobody to worry about and now he has company with Murray,i see what your saying and Novak was the best player last year and is the best player now,but he didnt dominate the year last year in GS as he did in 2011,it was more of an open year in 2012,and all the time new players are awaiting their chance to make a breakthrough,time will tell though.


grendel Says:

Fritz

Becker against Agassi and Becker against Sampras – those were no chance scenarios. Even when Becker took a set against one of these two, you knew he was merely delaying the inevitable. This annoyed me, as I badly wanted Becker to win. There was something awefully depressing as you watched the two Americans slowly grind Becker into oblivion. After Becker’s last match against Sampras at Wimbledon, Becker was seen to whisper a few words to Sampras at the handshake. Asked afterwards what he had said, Becker replied that he’d handed the keys of Wimbledon to Sampras. Now as it happens, Sampras’ expression was pretty non-commital as Becker made his grand renunciation. Politely non-commital, one might say. In other words, what fantasy world was this fellow inhabiting? Becker had lost the keys to Wimbledon a while back.

I don’t see this no-chance scenario with Federer – not yet. He is still close to both Murray and Djokovic, and could still spring a surprise. Also, I don’t know on what grounds you say Nadal has no chance outside RG. I don’t think we know yet.

And then there’s all the other things that can happen. There’s always a Rossol event lurking around which can hit any of the top players.


alison Says:

In laymans terms Novak could win 21 GS,but Roger/Rafa could win more than 21 GS.


Wog boy Says:

nadalista,

@3:20pm

Good one … very true.


courbon Says:

@Wog Boy:I did not understand your message :Stay out of this.It was not about Milas grunge with BFF, but generally about his language.I don’t get involved in personal duels…


courbon Says:

@Wog Boy:and the reason I don’t get involved so I do not get message like:Stay out of this…


Wog boy Says:

courbon,

It came out wrong way, I just reapeted Dave’s “stay out of this” but dind’t put ” “. You remember what I am talking about? I wasn’t patronising you, I don’t let others patronise me so I don’t do that to others. My sincere aplology.

Mila “ga je otresla k’o ciganče slinu, kako je i zasluzio. Sto je trazio to je i dobio.”


skeezer Says:

Nadalista,

Never said Lance was innocent, just that cheating is not isolated to Lance and a sport. 680 matches? And does it just end there? Nowadays, with any sport, even Tennis, it wouldn’t surprise me. Where there is money to be made, they’ll always be cheaters to attempt to attain it.

Anyways, you must be excited your man is back. Hope he dazzles you. Somehow I think he would dazzle you even if he never played another tennis match ever again ;). But with this lineup of who is in the draw, am sure you’ll see him buzz saw through. Vamos!


mat4 Says:

@Skeezer:

About football: 680 matches? It has to be a typo. 6800 is much more reasonnable..

So, when somebody asserts that there is no draw fixing in tennis…

WB: I think you are right about BFF. The keywords are the same.


mat4 Says:

@WB:

“ga je otresla k’o ciganče slinu, kako je i zasluzio. Sto je trazio to je i dobio.”

Google translate is a miracle of human ingeniosity..


Wog boy Says:

Skeezer,

Thanks God, you are talking to me:)

mat4,

I knew you are going to do that:)


skeezer Says:

@wogboy

Lol don’t think I don’t read u, I do. ….just been too ultra busy to respond. I give mat4 the same treatment, ask him.U owe me a drink, along with Mat4, and not that plum wine sh!t.
:-)


Wog boy Says:

Skeezer,

How about Jameson, good Irish whiskey. Very smooth and easy on the throat, tastes like no other whiskey.


Alok Says:

Seems as though there are a lot of self-appointed internet police here. geez


Alok Says:

Back to DC and the winere.

Happy to see the US win the tie, but at times it looked as though it was touch and go.

The doubles win by Melo/Soares, who’ve always given the Bryans a tough match, gave Brazil hope, while it produced a lot of tension for the US singles players. It’s amazing the importance the doubles win is for the teams, even though a lot of tennis fans don’t seem to watch doubles. and are dismissive of their participation on the tour. doubles win can give the winning team hope and the losers despair and tension. Anyway, good for Sam to hang tough and get the win.


Humble Rafa Says:

After getting Xerox, the world leader in technology, the WTA sets it eyes on a chariot maker to be its next sponsor.


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

Fritz:

Looks like Mila has bitten you. I know about a foolish “djokovic” fan like you who lost a 100$ to a Federer fan by making foolish statements like you are making. Right on this forum.

I am sure your “djokovic” fan gang Mila/WB/mat4 can tell you who that joker was.

21 slams for Djokovic? keep dreaming.

WB:

Atleast be man enough to post in english. I hope you are not too stupid and realise there are translators to find out the kind of cr@p you are trying to pull. Acting like a saint in front of everyone and using another language to show your lunacy.

I can bad mouth you so much that you will have to go to mommy like Mila is doing. I wouldn’t waste my breath on jerks like you who are the main reason djokovic and his shallow fans like you will be considered cheap and b-class. just like his clothing sponsors!

Let’s see more people from your gang come out.

21 slams? LOL! Hilarious stuff. There is nothing more amusing than a blind fan who supports a player for all the wrong reasons and with 0 tennis knowledge. keep it up “djokovic” fans!


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

Moderator:

Why are you allowing people to post in other languages?

I do know a lot of colourful words words for Mila and her “djokovic” fan gang, in portugese. So if you give me permission, I can let them fly.

Do I have your permission, moderator?


Brazil Federer Fan Says:

começar suas cabeças para fora do traseiro de Djokovic

just a sample for mila and her croonies to follow.


Swiss Maestro Says:

Alison:

You deserve the sweetness. Thanks for the Federer-love. At this point, I am just happy Federer is enjoying his tennis. He has done all the hard yards and now he can enjoy the game till his heart is in it.

When does Rafa play? I have a suspicion that 2010 will repeat this year. If that happens, it is going to be a wonderful achievement for Rafa!

Watching Rafa build up his momentum on clay is one of the most wonderful aspects of the last decade. By the end of FO, Rafa’s momentum will reach crazy heights and it will take out-of-the-world tennis to stop him.

Fingers crossed for you and Rafa!


Swiss Maestro Says:

Brazil Federer Fan:

Take it easy with the djokovic fans. You have made your point. Dont bother with them. They really are not worth it. Djokovic will never overtake federer/nadal in slams. Anyone who is not blinded by djokovic fandom, can see that.

Listen to Thomas and Courbon and tone it down. You have made some excellent points regarding the draws and it would be great to have your opinions without all this drama.

One last thing, be nice to Alison. :) She is the nicest poster on this site. by a country mile.


Swiss Maestro Says:

Brazil Federer Fan:

Take it easy with the djokovic fans. You have made your point. Dont bother with them. They really are not worth it. Djokovic will never overtake federer/nadal in slams. Anyone who is not blinded by djokovic fandom, can see that.

Listen to Thomas and Courbon and tone it down. You have made some excellent points regarding the draws and it would be great to have your opinions without all this drama.


Swiss Maestro Says:

One last thing, be nice to Alison. :) She is the nicest poster on this site. by a country mile.


Humble Rafa Says:

Some Scottish Gentleman who looks like a bank robber is saying that it will take a while to get my aura back.

I will keep that in mind when we meet. Now, go eat your national food, Chicken Tikka Masala (I hope I spelled it right).


Wog boy Says:

BFF,

If you really wanted to know what I said you could find out like mat4, and you would find out that I didn’t bad mouth you, it was just a slang that we used in the old country and it was for courbon to cheer him up. It basically says “You got what you deserved from Mila,” but in the street slang, no bad mouthing, no swearing or insulting people like you do and trust me, I am man enough, pity we cannot look each other in the eye so you could see and I could show you that I am man enough.

As for your Portugese, I don’t care what you said nor I am going to look for the meaning but your posts speak for themselves so one can only guess, keep it up BFF.

BTW, don’t pretend you are Nole fan, doesn’t work with real Nole fans who had to put up with you insulting Nole and his fans for the last couple of years same as you are doing now, you can run but you cannot hide.


courbon Says:

@Wog Boy:Its cool.
To answer to your DC question-It can be only good if DC is in USA.Less travelling.Obviously not a great time (Murray just anaunced he will not be playing in April for GB )but we will see how Nole feels.


Wog boy Says:

courbon,

It can turn out into slugfest like it was in Belgrade in 2010, and Nole doesn’t need that after IW and Miami and before clay season and FO. Americans have a good tieam led by Courier who is great and particulary when it comes how to motivate players. Americans couldn’t get better selector, Obradovic is nowhere near Courier. Troicki … I don’t have to say anything, Tipsy is good, but Nole has to play two matches, Zimonjic is good but we don’t have second doubles player so Troicki is just that, second player. Don’t forget they are playing in Idaho which is on the other side of USA from Miami so they have to adjust on different weather and time zone. I know Nole is going to play it, there is no way he is not going to play it, but FO is more important, he already won one DC.


courbon Says:

@Wog Boy:You are right there.Well, I hope he does not tire himself


mat4 Says:

@BFF:

” “djokovic” fan gang Mila/WB/mat4″

What gang? What is your problem?

I have debated with you, but I have never shown disrespect. So, please calm down.

About the draws: you demonstrated, nor proved nothing.


alison Says:

Swiss Maestro thanks again,i believe Rafa plays Wednesday,not sure but i think its in doubles,if he had a year like 2010 that would be amazing,but im not too hopefull of that as he is 3 years older now,so it will be that much more difficult,ATM im happy hes back playing,and my expectations dont exceed much furthur than that,small steps at 1st,i would be happy to see him bag any one slam on any surface,lol Alison is the nicest poster on this site by a country mile,much appreciated as you even said that twice,but nah i would give that honour to Madmax,Margot,Jane,Lulu Iberica(miss her posts),but thanks again for the post.


alison Says:

Swiss Maestro thanks again i appreciate that,lol Alison is the nicest poster on the site by a country mile,you even said that twice,but nah i would give that honour to Madmax,Margot,Jane,Lulu Iberica(miss he posts),about Rafa i think he plays Wwednesday im not sure who though,as regards a year like 2010 that would be amazing but i think its unlikely,as hes 3 years older now,so it would be that much more difficult,so i think i would be happy with any 1 GS on any surface,not too fussy about which,but RG would seem his best chance,at the moment im just delighted hes back playing,my expectations dont exceed much furthur than that,small steps 1st and then he can build on from there,sorry about the late reply,i hope you manage to see it before the thread dissapears.


alison Says:

^Duh Sorry about the double post with variations,my computer keeps throwing hissy fits this morning^.


alison Says:

Giles love Rafa,but sorry that is one ugly watch hes wearing.


Giles Says:

http://blog.perpetuelle.com/watches/richard-mille-tourbillon-rm-27-01-rafael-nadal-watch/
alison. In excess of £500,000 worth of ugly! I like it myself. Have a look at the specs. especially the weight!


grendel Says:

alison – I couldn’t help being struck by how, when considering who are the nicest posters on this site, all those you mentioned are women. You have a point. This, taken from a poem by Kingsley Amis, enlarges on why women tend to be nicer than men:

Should poets bicycle-pump the human heart
Or squash it flat?
Man’s love is of man’s life a thing apart;
Girls aren’t like that.

We men have got love well weighed up; our stuff
Can get by without it.
Women don’t seem to think that’s good enough;
They write about it.

And the awful way their poems lay them open
Just doesn’t strike them.
Women are really much nicer than men:
No wonder we like them.


alison Says:

Grendel lol it was not a concious thing honestly,and i actually feel a bit sexist now lol,but great poem anyway,so hmm let me think about the men,and i have to say in no particular order the nicest male posters are Swiss Maestro,Huh,Wogboy,Courbon,Mat4,Harry,Brando,Giles and i will put Ajet in there too,i really miss his posts and wish he would start posting again,,and your good self and Skeezer are the funniest, and your also along side Dave as the most knowledgeable poster,but your posts are always unbiased and with a touch of humour in there too, i dont feel like such a sexist now,also i feel i should have put Conty in there too,but theres too many to mention or i would be here all day,although i have to say BFF scares the SH*T out of me with his posts for some reason lol.


grendel Says:

alison – it’s because it was not conscious that it was a)not sexist and b)convincing. Agree about Conty. b.t.w., am not particularly knowledgeable, just a bit doddering and grey and therefore old enough to have a lot of memories. I am often pulled up on the “unbiased” bit – “you’ve got your own agenda too” they say angrily, and that’s true, you know. We all have our axes to grind. Nevertheless, just as one can try (sometimes) to be polite, one can try (sometimes) to be objective. About Ajet: I don’t think he will ever be back. In my opinion, he felt humiliated. I agree, he was a nice chap and an amusing poster.


jane Says:

Are Brando and Giles guys? I thought they were ladies. Just goes to show; in the ether you never know…

And yeah, where is Harry; haven’t seen him for a while.

Daniel, too, is a longtime, fair and knowledgable poster, much like MMT.


alison Says:

Grendel thanks,i dont really know why Ajet would feel humiliated,as he was as you say a very nice chap,whos posts were always very fair,i dont recall him having crossed swords with anyone in particular,all i remember was he was here one day,and then like Lord Lucan gone the next,shame really hmm.


mat4 Says:

@jane:

Brando a girl? Giles too? I hope I didn’t make uniintelligent jokes about blondes (can there be an intelligent joke about blondes?), just like I did with Kimmi. I thought she was a boy and made a “sexist” remark about a blonde Russian tennis player.

Anyway, we could add to the list TennisLover, then TennisFanSince76, who both know much tennis and write well, too. I liked very much their ability to stay calm in unpleasant debates, and firmly make their suptil points.

But I probably missed some changes in the nicknames, aliases.


mat4 Says:

Finally, what does “sexist” mean?


alison Says:

Jane agree it can get confusing at times,i thought Conty was a male poster at 1st although she was Carlo back when i 1st stated posting lol,agree about Daniel and MMT too,i tend to remember the ones with whom i interact with the most,but theres alot of great posters too many to mention really.


alison Says:

Mat4 sexist by definition of the word means,to be biased towards one particular sex,be it male or female.


Giles Says:

Me, male gender.


alison Says:

Mat4 Brando and Giles are both male posters.


Giles Says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu_46av8cHg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Just came across a tweet to Jon Wertheim (Sports Illustrated) from TransWorldSport “Hey Jon, You’ll enjoy this really rare Rafa footage of him at home aged 16″.


mat4 Says:

@Alison:

So, when I write that I like women more, I am sexist? And, yes, I have to admit and hope for pardon, lately I have a bias toward blondes..

Just kidding. Sorry, forgot to write “..” or “:-)” in my previous post.


alison Says:

Giles thanks for the link.
Mat4 lol nah if you said i prefer men more than women then that would be sexist as you would be completely biased towards your own sex,but as you prefer women more your the exact opposite(i think)lol,and just to say no pardon necassary as i am blond-ish highlights anyway,Grendel has really started something again here lol ;-).


mat4 Says:

It is strange how much language and culture are related.

“Sexism” seems to be mainly a problem in countries where a language with grammatical gender corresponding to natural gender is spoken, and, since it is a “modern problem”, is spreading in other languages and other countries with a completely different tradition and different languages.

Anyway, it reminds me of this immortal joke:

Why Men Die First

Why do men die first? This is a question that has gone unanswered for centuries, but, now we know. But it requires a bit of explanation.

If you put a woman on a pedestal and try to protect her from the rat race … you’re a male chauvinist. If you stay home and do the housework … you’re a pansy. If you work too hard … there’s never any time for her. If you don’t work enough … you’re a good-for-nothing bum. If she has a boring repetitive job with low pay … this is exploitation. If you have a boring repetitive job with low pay … you should get off your lazy behind and find something better. If you get a promotion ahead of her … that is favoritism. If she gets a job ahead of you … it’s equal opportunity.

If you mention how nice she looks … it’s sexual harassment. If you keep quiet … it’s male indifference. If you cry … you’re a wimp. If you don’t … you’re an insensitive bastard. If you make a decision without consulting her … you’re a chauvinist.

If she makes a decision without consulting you, she’s a liberated woman. If you ask her to do something she doesn’t enjoy … that’s domination. If she asks you … it’s a favor. If you appreciate the female form and frilly underwear … you’re a pervert. If you don’t … you’re gay.

If you like a woman to shave her legs and keep in shape … you’re sexist. If you don’t … you’re unromantic. If you try to keep yourself in shape … you’re vain. If you don’t … you’re a slob. If you buy her flowers … you’re after something. If you don’t … you’re not thoughtful. If you’re proud of your achievements … you’re full of yourself. If you don’t … you’re not ambitious. If she has a headache … she’s tired. If you have a headache … you don’t love her anymore. If you want it too often … you’re oversexed. If you don’t … there must be someone else.

So: Why do men die first? Because they want to.


grendel Says:

What was done to Ajet was insensitive and heartless. He was a proud man and in a sense, fell on his own sword. we won’t see him again.


alison Says:

Grendel why what was done to Ajet,i dont understand?


alison Says:

Hilariuos post Mat4 lol.


grendel Says:

alison – he ran into a dinosaur. ‘Nuff said.


courbon. Says:

@Alison:Not in particular order?You puted WB before me?How Rodney can be before Del Boy?I’m insulted… ( Liverpool got a point so I guess you are OK with that…but, they could have 3!They played great.
I watched Rugby, and France got sink by Itali and I had to listen lot of ‘Merde, merde, merde…from locals


alison Says:

Grendel yeah i have been looking back over old threads,and it was at the time when Rafa won MC last year,Ajet and Dave had a bit of a spat about football to put it mildly,and after that Ajet dissapeared never to be seen again shame.


alison Says:

Courbon sorry about the Rugby,and sorry about the order should be Courbon,Wogboy,Mat4,lol Delboy,Rodney,Triger,yeah happy LVC got a draw but i feel it was 2 points dropped due to a Reina eff up,still its better than what my other favorite did this weekend getting thrashed 4 1 at home(sigh).


Wog boy Says:

Rodney is a nice and honest bloke, Delboy is downtown crook ( with a good heart) who would sell even his own “war veteran” grandfather;) and Triger is … well Triger:)


alison Says:

Wogboy lol yeah thats true sorry Courbon.


courbon. Says:

@Alison:Your other favorite is Coventry, right?Sorry I don’t follow 4th Divison clubs…
@Wog Boy:Actually, I loved Boyce a lot-what a caracter.

You can see its off tennis season-for a last two weeks we are discussing Rafas knees (like some doctors blog), Michael Jackson, Fools and Horses…whats tomorrow?How to make jam in 3 easy steps?


alison Says:

Courbon err two others,actually 3rd Division York City FC,who got thrashed at home by Morecombe on Saturday(sigh),hubby is from Coventry so Coventry City FC,used to work there stewarding on match days,and Liverpool FC in that order,lol Rafas knees are at least tennis related,Michael Jackson,Fools and Horses,dont forget sexism either,tomorrow how to make Jam in 3 easy steps LMAO who knows,or the ins and outs of the Kama Sutra,that would make for an interesting topic,i can see the moderators pulling their hair out with that one lol.


alison Says:

BTW Love John Lloyd and September last year he was signing copies of his autobiography at Waterstones book shop,would have loved to have gone to have had my book signed,unfortunatly i was working that day.


Wog boy Says:

alison,

I will tell something about courbon’s suburb and don’t believe him if he says it is not true. Overthere every second one is Delboy. It was drinking hole called “G-restaurant” when I needed something, whatever, I use to walk up the hill order drink and tell boys what I need, within 10-20 minutes somebody will turn up with what I wanted. Needless to say that it fell of the truck. Courbon do you remember “restoran Г”?


courbon. Says:

@Alison:Sorry for trashing but I was actually sarcastic about 4th division-I thought York and Coventry are Premiership!Silly me…and yes, there was also discussions about Rafas hair…can you imagine people discussing that?(he, he, he)
@Wog Boy:I know well that place…I can not disaprove that my area is bit of a Peckham style.

Yes, Alison I’m from dodgy Belgrade suburb…


courbon. Says:

I’m off to bed-talk to you tomorrow guys


alison Says:

Wogboy/Courbon this past half an hour ive had to pick myself up of the floor from laughing so much,i love your posts to each other,my hubbys in the other room wondering whats wrong with me.


alison Says:

Goodnight Courbon chat to you tomorrow,its been great fun posting today.


Wog boy Says:

courbon,

I wouldn’t say dodgy, better hard working, and don’t forget I am about 15 years ahead of you, BTW “G” had a really good home made, cooked food and that was the place where boys got together in the evenig before going for a nightlife and action in downtown Belgrade. Nice memories:)


Wog boy Says:

” 15 years ahead” meaning “15 years older” , I don’t like to use word older as I am getting older:(


mat4 Says:

@WB:

So, you’re older?


Wog boy Says:

Older than courbon,yes.


mat4 Says:

@WB:

lol

Neh, you’re just more mature..


Wog boy Says:

mat4,

Yeeeeees … How could I forget, that is the word, thanks heaps:)


Wog boy Says:

Let’s try again: Courbon, I am 15 years more mature than you.
Sounds better?


courbon. Says:

Sounds very good.I thought you are about 6,7 years older?How do you know?
Regarding the ‘Kod G’ taverna-I did not know about food.I was local until age of 15 and then I started going to 3rd Gimnazija and then 14thGimnazija so I was hanging a lot around Slavija and then Kalenic pijaca.Also I had first hip hop band in Serbia (at tender age of 16 ) so we use to play around town and I did not hang so much in Kanaraevo Brdo…
And you are right about my suburd-working class


Wog boy Says:

courbon,

You said once that you are 41-42 years old. I was visiting G-taverna long before you were allowed to stay after dark:) I am not from the area myself, moved there from Zemun, few years before I left country for Australia but I knew boys from “Brdo” from the city, they had good team and were always part of Vozdovac clan;) and I finished myself 12.Gimnazija, before I moved in that area, that tells you everything;)


alison Says:

Duh In my post yesterday at 3.46pm Feb 5th,i meant John Challis and not John Lloyd.


courbon. Says:

@Wog Boy:Au, znaci Zemunac….znao sam da nesto nije u redu sa tobom.

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