Haas Outlasts Marathon Man Isner At French Open; Djokovic Dominates While Nadal Struggles
by Sean Randall | June 1st, 2013, 6:33 pm
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John Isner did it again. It seems at least once a year, often more, Isner makes some serious noise in a serious way. Today, just 24 hours after orchestrating his first ever career comeback from two sets, the 28-year-old had his marathon mojo working once again.

With his opponent Tommy Haas up two sets and in full control, a tiring Isner scraped out a break to take the third. In a nip-and-tuck fourth, Isner hung it to force what would become an historic tiebreak during which the German had not one, not two not three, not eight, not even ten but TWELVE match points. That’s right, TWELVE! And Tommy lost them all!

I seem to recall at least 10 on Isner’s serve on which he did his usual blast-a-service-winner response. A frustrated Haas kept getting to matchpoint, often with a sparkling passing shot via his backhand side. But on those matchpoints, Isner’s serve kept getting him out of trouble and eventually Haas cracked handing Isner the breaker 12-10.

Somehow, the exhausted Isner broke a dispirited Haas in his first serve game of the final set. But Isner, running on empty and cramping, couldn’t hold it very long. Haas broke back at 42 then at 8-8 broke again and serve it out on his 13th matchpoint.

After 4 hours, 37 minutes, Haas could finally breathe a sigh of relief. And so could we – heck, with Isner the match could still be going!

“It’s obviously a great match to be a part of, especially at such a big event against somebody that is very used to those kinds of matches,” said Haas. “Unfortunately one has to lose, and I think it would have been more upsetting for me in this case, after having many chances in the fourth set there.

“But it’s crazy. It was a big roller coaster with not many thoughts in between. He had match point at 4-5, and somehow I saved that one. It went back and forth. It’s definitely going to be one of the best matches to look back on, for sure.”

Good thing Tommy won that. Had he lost it definitely would not have been one of the best matches for him to look back on. In fact, he might have quite the sport.

As for Isner, it’s business as usual. Because of his serve and his inability to break serve, we’ll keep seeing more of these type of matches and the records fall. It’s that simple.

“I like to compete. And especially when you’re playing in a Grand Slam, you want to go out competing. That’s what I try to do,” said Isner. “These long matches seem to follow me. I mean, I had one yesterday. I had one today. I’m sure I’ll have some in the future.

“It’s not that rare to go five sets. It’s just a part of Grand Slams. It’s tough, and I haven’t won the majority of them. But, all in all, it’s fun to compete in them.”

Haas moves on to face Mikhail Youzhny Monday in the round of 16.

In other matches – and there were other matches – Novak Djokovic absolutely destroyed Grigor Dimitrov. What a difference a few weeks makes when Dimitrov shocked Djokovic in Madrid. Today, quite the opposite with the Serb dominating 6-2, 6-2, 6-3. Djokovic didn’t speak to the press afterward because of the passing of his former coach Jelena Gencic.

While Novak cruised, Nadal continued to struggle. As I’ve said, Rafa may have won six of eight events this year, but he still doesn’t look right to me, anyway. And today, after losing the opening sets to Daniel Brands and Martin Klizan, even unheralded Fabio Fognini was pushing him around early on.

Nadal won in straights 7-6, 6-4, 6-4 but it was even tougher than that. The Italian served for the first set, broke back in the second and even put up a fight in the third.

“I have to play better. If I want to have any chance, I really need to play better,” admitted Nadal. “But it is always the same story. When you win without playing your best, you have the chance to play better. If you don’t fight when you have tough days or negative days, then you don’t have all the chances for the future.

“So it’s important to stay humble these kind of days, stay with the right mentality, be positive, and accept in every moment all the difficulties that comes and try to win.”

Added Fognini, “I think I was really aggressive,” said Fognini. “Everything was working: Serve, forehand, backhand, especially crosscourt. I played a great match with a really great player. What I have to say? Maybe first or second set, especially first, because I was 6-5 and serving, I had a chance to close the set. But one set to love was not enough.”

Nadal will need to play a whole lot better if he’s to beat Djokovic come Friday. Right now I’m starting to feel Novak wins that match if it happens.

Next for Rafa on Monday is the improving Kei Nishikori, who was an impressive four set winner today over the volatile Benoit Paire.

Stan Wawrinka and Richard Gasuqet, who hasn’t lost a set yet, were also winners.

As for tomorrow’s start of the fourth round, Roger Federer should be able to handle Gilles Simon. Federer slammed Simon last month in Rome and while I expect a much tighter match Sunday, I think Federer will get through. He’s in a good, aggressive zone right now. Simon can’t hurt you as much on clay, so if Roger’s on he’ll advance.

I also like JW Tsonga over Troicki, David Ferrer to diffuse Kevin Anderson’s power game and in a close one I think Nicolas Almagro edges a fatigued Tommy Robredo.

In the women’s draw, it’s still Serena’s tournament – she’s lost just six games so far – but her final opponent remains unclear. Maria Sharapova is the second favorite but as we saw today she’s starting to wobble a bit. The Americans are coming strong with Jamie Hampton, Sloane Stephens and the resurgent Bethanie Mattek-Sands who’s into her second career Slams sweet 16, but it’s hard to say who’ll Serena will beat in the final.

Tennis Channel has coverage early followed by NBC later in the day.

SUNDAY FRENCH OPEN SCHEDULE

Court Philippe Chatrier 11:00 AM Start Time
Svetlana Kuznetsova (RUS) v. Angelique Kerber (GER)[8]
Serena Williams (USA)[1] v. Roberta Vinci (ITA)[15]
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[6] v. Viktor Troicki (SRB)
Gilles Simon (FRA)[15] v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2]

Court Suzanne Lenglen 11:00 AM Start Time
Kevin Anderson (RSA)[23] v. David Ferrer (ESP)[4]
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[32] v. Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[11]
Carla Suarez Navarro (ESP)[20] v. Sara Errani (ITA)[5]
Agnieszka Radwanska (POL)[4] v. Ana Ivanovic (SRB)[14]


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242 Comments for Haas Outlasts Marathon Man Isner At French Open; Djokovic Dominates While Nadal Struggles

jane Says:

Congrats to Nole on his 500th win! I guess he didn’t find out about Jelena Gencic’s passing until after the match, and when the team told him, he broke down in tears and canceled his pressers. :’( Hope he is okay and able to focus going forward!


steve-o Says:

Simon can’t hurt you as much on clay

Not supported by the evidence. Half of his ten titles came on clay, including the only 500-level title he’s ever won.

Not sure where the meme that Simon is not as dangerous on clay as on HC came from, but it’s spurious.


Wog boy Says:

“Nadal will need to play a whole lot better if he’s to beat Djokovic come Friday. Right now I’m starting to feel Novak wins that match if it happens.”

Please don’t. Sean, stick with Nadal, please … will you?


Wog boy Says:

You may not understand the language, but I am sure you will understan body language and how much Nole meant to Jelena Gencis and how much Jelena meant to Nole, have look at this video:

http://youtu.be/HH_3zzqReZg


Kimberly Says:

Wog boy, I was delighted with Sean turning the tide! I am only hoping Thursday he busts out with a full on Nole prediction.

Anyway, Miami game on! #letsgoheat


Wog boy Says:

Kimberly,

I knew you would be.


jane Says:

Wog boy, thanks for the video; the emotions are loud and clear, transcending language. Poor Nole – hopefully he uses this loss to fuel his focus, desire and tennis. She’d want nothing else.


SG1 Says:

This is Rafa’s first major in a while and given that it’s on his best surface, he’s bound to be nervous. I think he believes that this will be just about the best chance he’ll have all year to win a major (and he if is thinking this, he is probably right). He’s probably putting a ton of pressure on himself. All this being said, Rafa could be building to peak in week 2. Better to build up to your best tennis than leave it week 1.

As for Haas, I have never heard of anyone blowing 12 match points…ever. Remarkable that he managed to keep it together and win in 5. If there’s any truth to the adage “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger”, Haas will be a tough out in week 2. In the past, Haas has found ways to lose the match he won today. Dare to think about it, but how nice would it be for Haas to pull an Ivanisevic and find a way to win one slam. He has the game. Mentally and physically? We’ll just have to wait and see.


SG1 Says:

And I guess Dimitrov isn’t Federer…at least not yet.


SG1 Says:

And most importantly, condolences to Novak. I did see the 60 Minutes with Jelena Gencic. A big loss to be sure. She seemed like an incredible person and coach.


El Flaco Says:

Tommy’s best chance to win a slam is Wimbledon.


funches Says:

steve-o,

It’s true that Simon is less dangerous agains the top players on clay than on hard courts. He can’t generate the change-of-pace power that works well for him on hard courts. Sure, he has five clay titles, but look at the players he beat en route to winning those tournaments, then get back to us.


coke man G Says:

Can they ban isner already? What he plays is not tennis.


Steve 27 Says:

Gimeno won RG at almost 35. Can Haas do it? Maybe 10 years ago, now he has no chance. He lost at his peak with Sampras in the US Open 2002, with Safin in an incredible match that he should have won the same year and could have AO 2002, he lost I think with Davydenko at UO in quarterfinals and how we forgot 4 years ago with Federer in round of 16 a match that he himself lost. So, besides with his great natural talent, his numerous injuries and personal fatalities, he was his biggest rival, he found a form to saboteage himself and choke nunerous times. Im sorry Tommy, but you are not slam champion material. If he reaches for the first time the quarterfinals of RG, he will lose with the serb.


Kimberly Says:

Ben, Sean, Skeezer not sure what is happening to the heat but they r getting worse and worse. Lebron playing well but where is the rest of the team?
#wade#allen#battier#bosch#wakeup


skeezer Says:

They can’ t win without Wade contributing. He is(WAS?) an all all star, c’mon dude step up.


Michael Says:

First things first !! I was much impressed with the way Novak played against Dmitrov and definitely it was reminiscence of his 2011 form. It is good that he has peaked at the right time and his ultimate test will come against Rafa at the Semis. With the kind of form Novak is in at the moment and with Rafa dithering, I think the former is in with a great advantage. I hope Novak continues and goes all the way to complete the career grand slam.


Michael Says:

Haas is once again showing the way for veterans in the field. At 34, he is still fighting and to win against a young Isner in five sets, well Haas has done the incredible. He can be emulated as a role model to follow.


Michael Says:

Well, Rafa is looking shaky and is not in the finest of form so far in this tournament. If there is ever a chance for his opponents, this is the time to seize upon. He is hitting too many short balls and an aggressive player on his day can give nightmares to him. Still, I think only one player can do that and he is Novak. I am just not confident about other players including Roger. They have all lost the battle mentally against Rafa on Clay. Novak has no such inhibitions and he is raring to go.


Kimmi Says:

what was wrong with nole shoulder, he too an mto in the third set against grigor. Is it something serious or just precaution?


Humble Rafa Says:

In case you were sleeping, I won in straight sets. I know..tough times.


Humble Rafa Says:

#wade#allen#battier#bosch#wakeup

Worst may be yet to come.


skeezer Says:

^stick to making fun of yourself, you talkin Basketball doesn’t cut it.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Michael Rafa is still fighting for this title come what may,and he still got the job done in straight sets,who knows he maybe his best tennis is around the corner,and maybe he will peak for the second week,given he hasnt played a GS since Wimbledon last year i think hes doing ok,alright he needs to improve granted,it will be nice to see where Novaks game is at when hes really tested,i think its a little early to be getting carried away as much tennis is to be played yet.


Michael Says:

Tennis X Hippy Chic,

Well as you rightly put it, Rafa can peak in the second week and it is highly probable. That is for the future. But so far in this tournament he is not upto the mark and is vulnerable. If you play near perfect Tennis and have your day, you can beat him. His current form can be compared to the slump he had in 2009 when Soderling put him away. But for that to happen, you still need to play very well. Even Rafa below his best can be a force to reckon with on Clay especially. As regards Novak, well Dmitrov was his first test and he has passed it with distinction. He is slowly discovering his 2011 form and that should be cause of some worry for his opponents. I think with Kohlschrieber and Haas to contend with, Novak can roll over to the Semis. Let us hope for the best. For the interest of Rolland Garros, I want a Novak Vs Rafa semi-final. May the best man win.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Michael theres alot of tennis still to be played this year,i dont think necassarily Rafas season will be over if he doesnt win here(although ill be ready to here the obituaries if he doesnt),or all of a sudden Novak will dominate if he does win here,at least i hope not in both cases,im not a fan of domination,im a fan of competition in any sport,that was a dissapointing game IMO between Novak/Grigor i thought it would have been a better match after what happened in Madrid,like i say hes had it easy so far,will be nice to see how he fares under some real challenges.


Eric Says:

Meh, Rafa _always_ looks shaky in the first week of a slam. This is actually good for him, because he knows he has to play better.

Form in the first week doesn’t matter. How many times have we seen someone – from Federer to Wozniacki – just destroy everyone in the first week only to lose tamely in the quarterfinals or semis?

Federer, Nole, Gasquet, Tsonga, and Ferrer are the only players left not to lose a set yet. Anyone want to put a big bet on the last 3 of those to lift the trophy? I’ll be over here, putting my money on Rafa, thanks.


Eric Says:

Also, Fognini was playing unbelievably well for the first set or two (don’t remember exactly when I stopped watching) and Rafa still took him out in straights. Even though he had good chances to get the first set in particular, you can’t really say Fognini choked, either, so clearly Rafa is doing something right.


nadalista Says:

RT @christophclarey: “Spoke with Djokovic’s coach Marian Vajda and he said last time Djokovic saw Jelena Gencic she asked him to bring home #FrenchOpen trophy”

Oh my, isn’t this the same RG trophy that is played on an inferior surface, clay? The least important of all the Slams? What to make of desiring inferior stuff……..


the DA Says:

^ Such an appropriate time to be snarky. Classy.


Alex Says:

^
Yep, Rafanatics have no ethics.


Colin Says:

Sean, you mean “defuse”, not “diffuse”.

I think Nole can win the tournament. On his day, his sheer will to win is as intense as Rafa’s.


James Says:

@Eric, Fognini was playing unbelievably well because Rafa just wasn’t in control for most part of the match. Rafa also allowed Klizan and Brands to play as well as they could. Of course he’s a big champion and still finds a way to win despite struggling to play his best. When Rafa plays as well as he can esp on clay, he can make most players look ordinary.
He needs to enjoy his game, the competition like the old Rafa used to. The semi final is still a long way. When it comes to it, I think Rafa would be ready for the Nole challenge. And the pressure would be on both players. Whatever happens, Nole isn’t having Rafa for breakfast. The other way around is more possible. Hopefully both get to the semo and give us all the match of the tournament, the final before the final.


Giles Says:

The little beast Ferrer just schooled Anderson 3 – 1 – 1.


Giles Says:

COME ON SIMON!!


nadalista Says:

@James, the semi between Rafa and Novak (if it takes place) will be The Final. The winner then has to play an Exho the following Sunday to lift the trophy………….


nadalista Says:

@Giles, watch Ferru surprise a lot of people……


Debo Says:

Serena is through to quarters.
It seems there is no one who has the game to stop her.


Nina Says:

I’m happy and sad for Novak. Happy that he got through in all his matches with relative ease and he looked confident. Sad that his former coach and the woman that taught him everything he knows passed away just yesterday. I hope the news don’t upset Novak in a way that it can spoil his chances to win RG, like it happened last year with his grandfather. We know how emotional Novak is.


Alex Says:

Come on Almagro, pls dont practice your chocking skills and win the Match already.


Kimberly Says:

Almagro pulling off another mindblowing choke. Wow!


Kimberly Says:

Watching Almagro come apart in painful yet you cannot take your eyes off it. My husband and I were glued to his Ferrer match at the AO where he failed to serve out the match like 3 times.


Alex Says:

It’s so so frustrating, every time he gets ahead he loses the plot.


Ahsan Najeeb Says:

This must be some kind of record if he makes it… Robredo winning 3 consecutive matches from 0-2 down… Don’t think it has ever happened.. Respect for the veteran


Thomas Says:

Almagro has done it! He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory- again! Congratulations Nicolas! And thank you for the entertainment good sir.


gonzalowski Says:

The Tommy vs. Tommy event comes… inexorable!
Sorry for Almagro.
—–
RCD Mallorca, the football team which Rafa Nadal has actions in, has just descended from 1st spanish division to the 2nd.
:( bad for all majoricans.


Giles Says:

C’mon Simon!


Kimberly Says:

Just a total trainwreck with ALmagro, it hurts to watch yet its totally fascinating. Skeezer, Ben, anyone who plays tennis, has this ever happened to you? I see it all the time on the club level, more often in doubles than singles but it reminds you to never let doubt creep in and never drop the intensity and game that brought you the lead in the first place. It is easy when you are winning to start playing not to lose rather than playing to win which brought you the lead. But this guy is a pro and it is absolutely shocking that it happens match after match.


RZ Says:

@El Flaco – could be true for both Tommys!


Alex Says:

Haha awesome shot by Fed. 6-1 first set.


steve-o Says:

Federer wins the first set over Simon. Not very often it takes him 40 minutes to win a set 6-1.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Rogers not my favorite,but i do enjoy watching him,from a neutral point of view,and he plays sublime tennis,nothing else more to be said really,his tennis has been stunning so far this tourney.


the DA Says:

I can’t remember the last time I saw Federer fall over


the DA Says:

That seemed to rattle him and now Simon has the break. It was pretty boring up until now.


the DA Says:

Simon must have the worst volleys on tour.


Kimberly Says:

I am going on the boat so I will miss the rest of this match. Almagro however, certainly made for an interesting morning of tennis to watch.


van orten Says:

fed at his absolute unforced erroring best


Alex Says:

That fall rattled Fed, seems to have his concentration back, expect him to win the next 2,come on Roger!


the DA Says:

One set all. Très intéressant.


Giles Says:

Go Simon!!


squirrel Says:

say what??? whats up with Fed???


the DA Says:

Wow! Where did that come from? Simon suddenly playing like a top 10-er. He breaks Fed at love to lead in the 3rd.


Giles Says:

GO GO SIMON!!


Humble Rafa Says:

Somebody’s fourth round streak is on the line!


Margot Says:

Thought Joe-W had a chance to take Fed out> Did I get the wrong Frenchman…….?


volley Says:

allez Gilles.


van orten Says:

have no more words left for feds performance…impressively shitty


the DA Says:

@margot – Me too. Now watch Simon win and beat Jo-Willy. In any case if this becomes an upset, while sad for Federer, it could energize the tournament for the Frenchies.


Humble Rafa Says:

impressively shitty

He still moves gracefully hitting shanks and all. Gotta give him that.


van orten Says:

he is not even trying !!! wow,…


the DA Says:

Simon takes the 3rd set. I was making dinner but that will have to wait now.


Alex Says:

Still have hope Fed can pull it together, if his ankle is bothering him he should take some pain killers, might make him move a little faster and go for more,,


Daniel Says:

Wow,

The minute I started watching Fed stars losing. Will he survive another 5 set at French Open?!


Nadal Says:

I am glad it ends here. I hate giving a beat to the so called GOAT in the finals.


simba Says:

Fed is feeding on his reputation only. He got nothing to show for it. Taking long time off and hoping to play deep into every tournament he plays is impossible. His ranking will drop and he will face stronger opponent earlier and his ranking will precipitate and he WILL RETIRE by the end of the year.


van orten Says:

haas is 35^


the DA Says:

Thing is, I just don’t know if Simon has the killer instinct. If he wins it’s going to be because Fed is slightly off. However, he is returning more aggressively now.


van orten Says:

slightly off????


the DA Says:

^ he’s still hitting winners. It isn’t shansksville.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Wow and heres me thinking after Roger won that 1st set so easily,that the next two sets would be just a formality,how wrong you be eh?i still believe he will pull through,but he will have to dig into his deepest reserves.


Humble Rafa Says:

If you want to admire older people, I recommend you pick the President of the Injury Club, and not some arrogant player.

Just offering words of wisdom.


Jatin Says:

Can you please update scores ?
I am having a heart attack


Daniel Says:

He is fighting. his fist pump to win the point 40-30 in this last game after Simon unleashed 2 returns and hit a good deep return again which Fed hit a FH DTL on the line shows it. He needs to break soon to feel more comfortable, the closer we get to the end of this set, the worst will get for him f they stay on serve.


van orten Says:

of course he can still win this…another drama baby performance needed though …sigh


the DA Says:

Fed breaks to lead 4-2 in the 4th.


Daniel Says:

YEah, he heard me. Break!!


van orten Says:

great game now…vamos roger!!!!!


Jatin Says:

I am in a jungle and trying to find some signals or two to get updated.
Hope roger will win this now


squirrel Says:

go Fed!we believe in you.

relax van orten,he’s gonna pull it off,something is bothering him…


Alex Says:

Come on FED!!!!! WE believe in you!!!!

PLSSSS WINNN!!! :) HAHAHAH


van orten Says:

5-2 in the 5th


van orten Says:

4th;)


Humble Rafa Says:

Drama Queen.


Daniel Says:

oddly, every match they played Fed won first set, and was leading when Simon retired as well.


van orten Says:

love it…5th set…mirka is suffering too hahaha


Daniel Says:

Perfect, this way he starts serving fifth set. Simon felt the pressure and made 2 BH UE in a row.


jatin Says:

that australion open 2011 comes in my mind now.
Hope roger can repeat it.


van orten Says:

40-0 fed seems inspired now…


van orten Says:

fedddddddd!!!!! breakkkkkk nowww man


van orten Says:

yes 2:0


Alex Says:

Come ON!!!!!!!!!! FEDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!


Daniel Says:

Fed’s variety, a slice to forehand in the middle of the court and Simon send long. 2-0 FEd


Humble Rafa Says:

mirka is suffering too hahaha

Watching her lovely Arrogant One choke is like giving birth to twins every time.


the DA Says:

Barring something truly bizarre happening, it’s over for Simon.


Alex Says:

Very Classy, dumb Rafanatics. Go back to your caves!


van orten Says:

3:0 easy hold! vamos fed…


volley Says:

tsonga is probably really enjoying this match while he has some cassoulet.


Humble Rafa Says:

Folks calm down. This is not a grandslam final.


Humble Rafa Says:

Very Classy, dumb Rafanatics. Go back to your caves!

Sorry, I know it has been a frustrating day for you.


van orten Says:

not really…this is a nice day and i love fed playing 5 setters!!!


Alex Says:

I know Humble Rafa, you just play for the win, you don’t give your fans nice Tennis.

See, fans like watching nice matches, its not all about Trophies. Which is why you brag about your trophies but not nice matches you have given your fans.

Go on, win ugly and talk cra&

#Pathetic


van orten Says:

hahaha


Okiegal Says:

The commentators have been talking about the french crowd turning against Simon and supporting Fed. I think they’re back in Gilles corner now. But why would you turn against your own countryman in the first place?? Don’t understand. That’ just plain rude!!


Giles Says:

Alex. Calm down you Fedfart. Still unemployed???
So glad your fav was taken to 5. He should earn his living and not just turn up for the ballet dancing display! Hahaha


Giles Says:

The French crowd are plain bonkers @ Oklegal.


Okiegal Says:

It’s not just all about trophies?? Hmmm,then why did I see Fed pulling his trophies around in a cart and loading them on an airplane?? LOL


Okiegal Says:

@Giles

Yes, they are tough to figure out. I felt sorry for Simon. How hard would it be to play under those circumstances. They are geting a little excited for him now….the jerks.


green900 Says:

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS


Daniel Says:

Uhuuu!! Quarter final Slam streak still going.


van orten Says:

what a enjoyable match…as always and usual when feds participates,,,great great match


Kimmi Says:

OH DEAR!! that was tough!!


Alex Says:

OMG! Go FED!!!

He almost gave us a heart attack, hahahha. Hes through, this will help him in the next match IMO.

Well done Fed, suck it haters :)


Nole Rules Says:

Some nervous moments in the end but Federer does it.And with it he achieves a host of milestones:1)40th QF(1 short of most QF’s),2)36th straight QF,3)900th win,4)Most RG Wins.Just wonder:In 2009 when Roger won his only RG that year Nadal won IW and Murray won Miami same as this year.Federer was also taken to 5 sets in the fourth round in that RG same as this time.And Serena Williams played a match against Kuznetsova in RG that year and they will play one this year too.Can he do it this year?If Rafa beats Djoker he has no hope.But if Djoker beats Rafa which i think will happen this year he has a 50% chance.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Great match i had a feeling Roger would find a way through,and nice at the net at the end,great champions like Roger find a way to dig deep and pull through,feel sorry for Simon who played as well as he could giving Roger a fight/fright,i think JWT might fancy his chances against Roger in their match.


Nole Rules Says:

Tennis X Hippy Chic Tsonga hasnt done anything of note on clay except that Djokovic match last year.The only time Federer met him on clay,he schooled him.I think he wins this in straight sets especially considering the wake-up call that he’s gotten today which will motivate him to play better.


Alex Says:

Hahahah, “you don’t normally get the hand up with Roger unless its the champion match”.

That’s our Fed, no showboating.

True champion.

#TheRealHumbleness


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Nole Rules what i meant was Tsongas akso playing really well,so it will probably be another close match,but one i still believe Roger would come through,although time will tell,so lets wait and see,matches are played on a tennis court and not on a tennis blog.


Nole Rules Says:

Im a Nole fan but i completely agree with Alex.Federer is the classiest player on tour attitude wise no matter what some people from the Vamos Brigade say.


Giles Says:

skeezer the geezer. You can come out of your hole now! Lol


Humble Rafa Says:

Well done Fed, suck it haters :)

Humble Highness certainly has no problem with him winning a 4th round match. It is my pleasure to continue the “rivalry” anytime.


Nole Rules Says:

Giles are you trying to imply that i am that skeezer fellow?


James Says:

Wow didn’t expect this from Simon. Was so sure Roger would get him in 3 or 4 sets. Not a good sign for Fed. But maybe it’s because he didn’t get to play quality players in the early rounds. Maybe he’ll focus and play better next match.
Feds is always nice to watch. And no, Nadal isn’t about just winning either. Over the last 5-6 years, Rafa’s given us the best matches.


nadalista Says:

Did Fed just get taken to a fifth set by the poor man’s Radwanska?


Humble Rafa Says:

skeezer the geezer. You can come out of your hole now! Lol

He had a gone AWOL since the 2nd set. If you have any info about him, contact his 2 cats. They are worried.


mem Says:

Alex,

federer is free to celebrate after winning or not to celebrate after winning. that’s his choice! Because other players choose to do so doesn’t mean that they are showboating. this may come as a shock to you but other players don’t center their lives around whether roger choose to do something or not.

why do i feel that you are absolutely clueless in the knowledge department. do you understand it’s a matter of preference when it comes down to what style of tennis a fan prefers or enjoys. you prefer roger’s style and i prefer rafa’s; it is a matter of personal choice or do you think we live in a universe where everybody should choose the same things? that seem to be your mentality. i think rafa is classy; you think roger is classy. they both can be classy at the same time. so, what’s the problem?


Lou_tennisfan Says:

Just loved the way Federer came after being 2 sets down…Simply amazing.

9 straight years and no QF missed in any GS- speaks in itself the greatness of the player….He continues to defy the odds even after crossing the 30 mark. Human mind is capable of achieving anything that it sets it’s eyes on and he is a great example of that.

Roger Federer, Serena Williams, Tommy Haas & Roberdo & The Myth of Age 30 ( http://tinyurl.com/lv2jug9 )


Humble Rafa Says:

Just loved the way Federer came after being 2 sets down

I think you were watching a different match. Arrogant One was never down 2 sets.


Alex Says:

@men
No propblem, I choose to show the classless Rafanatics some much enjoyed retaliation, I mean more Nadal fans come out when Fed is losing than when Nadal is. Shows you something. We stick by our man win or lose. We enjoy his tennis. Why don’t nadal fans come out to rejoice in his tennis when he plays? Maybe the current crop of Rafanatics is below standard on tennis x, cause there are lots of good Rafa fans out there, just not so meany here.


Okiegal Says:

@Van Orten

You were ready to write Fef off a few posts ago. You are what I call a fair weather fan. If I were Fed I wouldn’t even want you in my fan club.


Okiegal Says:

@Alex

Mem is out there again telling everyone what he or she has been observing about each and every comment on this forum. Mem tries to make a mountain out of a mole hill!! LOL


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

James i agree Rogers had it pretty straight forward so far,this match was a good test for him IMO,and probably like Nole Rules says will probably i would hazard a guess be a wake up call,he will be dialed in now more battle hardened,by the way he was playing even at two sets down there didnt seem to be any sense of panic either,i think the next match on paper would be his toughest but one i believe he will come through,after that i dont see anyone else on that side of the draw who can beat him,Ferrer looks likely to be his semi final opponent IMO,and as much as i would love Daveed to make his 1st final(no disrespect Federer fans),he has nothing in his game ,i mean no big weapons to hurt Roger,IMO hes the most likely on that side of the draw to make the final.


Giles Says:

Alex. I really pity fed for having a classless nobody like you in his fan club. Get a job and get a life man!


Okiegal Says:

@Alex

Rafa’s number one fan in OKLAHOMA, congrats your man Fed. Thought he was on the verge of losing, but the Mighty Fed pulled it out. Kudos to the guy. An amazing athlete!!


mem Says:

Alex,

again, that’s their choice and it is my choice to decide whether i come here when nadal loses or wins. you are not qualified nor do you know the reason why some rafafans choose to come here at certain times. same holds true for fedfans. so don’t preach to rafafans about what they should or should not do. each of us have a choice. personally speaking, i don’t need to prove my loyalty to nadal by showing up everyday making noise on the tennis x blog. is that ok with you?


Alex Says:

@Giles

I pity you, not Nadal, cause he has a great life and you’re just a Rafabot, bottom of the barrel when it comes to Rafanatics, you would be scrapping the plates and cleaning the toilets at the Rafa Club House lol. Unfortunately you would never qualify for membership.

#TheHermitofRafafans


Alex Says:

@mem

Sure, I have no beef with you lol, you don’t pop up every time Feds losing ant start trash talking Fed. So I have no problem with you.


Giles Says:

Alex You see what I mean? Your post at 3.54 pm reveals your classlessness! #Mooooron


van orten Says:

@okiegal ..what are u talking about hombre!!!????

i never wrote fed off today…never…i only mentioned that his performance in set 2 and 3 were not really good…that is all. i love watching him play five setters i love it even when he loses them. he is pure drama and depends on his own play not on error from his opponents!!!!


Giles Says:

It is a known fact that fed can’t win back to back 5 setters so you fedfarts better hope that Jo doesn’t take him to 5.


van orten Says:

at least he is not whining about being tired after a 5 setter…he played back to back in australia and then murray said after losing to djoker he was tired because of his match vs fed…so no problem for 99% fed fans if he loses vs great jo willy


Giles Says:

^^^ Good for you. Hope it goes to 5 sets then.


skeezer Says:

too funny reading all the Rafa fanatics posts hoping Fed woild lose. why? and why all the hate? thought u all would love to see fed advance to meet rafa.
i’d beore worried about your potential matchup down the road with Nole. Fed is into the qtrs, is Rafa yet?

Great win Fed! Keep playin aggresive. fun stuff and the most entrrtaining tennis ever.

#moonballingsucks
#insecurerafafansunite


van orten Says:

^hahahhahahahah finally skeez


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Conrats to Roger on continuing that semi final streak,amazing statistic from an amazing player,what a legend.


steve-o Says:

Unfortunately I had to go out after the first set and a half. What a battle I missed! Glad he was able to come through like the champ he is, Simon always plays so tough against him.

And funches, I was right. Simon’s clay skills are not to be dismissed. Had this been best of three, he would have won this match after losing the first set, just as he had the two times he beat Federer.

C’mon Roger, go for #18!


Kimberly Says:

A lot of people think if Novak gets by Rafa Federer has a decent shot. I just can’t see Novak taking the giant down, only to fall short at the final stages. Sure Feds chances would be better than against Nadal but Novak would still be the heavy favorite for that match IMO, even though Fed has the better clay court past, we are in the here and now. Hopefully irrelevant discussion.


volley Says:

@ skeezer

there was one parody account and one other rafa fan that I counted supporting simon. what on earth do you mean ‘all the Rafa fanatics’?


Simon Says:

Simon is a poor man’s radwanska? You must be an unadulterated rafafart to make comments like these.

What do you call Rosol? who hammered rafa on Center Court?

36 straight quarter-finals for Federer. Djokovic is next best at 15. Same goes for semifinals. Fed 23 and Djokovic’s current record at 11.

These 2 must be the most complete players of this generation. Rafa’s inability to dominate day in and day out means Novak has a better chance of overhauling Rafa as the no.2 player of this generation than Rafa has of overtaking Federer. Interesting times in tennis.


volley Says:

^ a poor man’s radwanska who beat Rafa in Madrid 2008.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Volley im actually a Rafa fan but not a fanatic,i was actually rooting for Roger myself,to be a Rafa fan doesnt necassarily mean you are a Rafafantic or a Federer hater,things are not always that cut and dried,or black and white,as i have said if Roger meets Ferrer in the semis i will root for Ferrer,not because i dislike Roger but only because i think it would be fantastic for Ferrer to make his 1st GS final(unlikely though that is).


madmaz Says:

Always respected Gilles Simon. A tricky player at the best of times. Can always pull something out of the bag.

When Roger slipped (how rare is that?), they played the shot on slow rewind…looked as if he had clipped his toes when bending his foot forward, and then his wrist? Surprised that no one has commented on that. This clearly unsettled him, or seemed to, as he lost the next 2 sets. I just watched his interview, and though he acknowledged his fall, he said it had nothing to do with his play overall, initially, may be he lost a bit of confidnece, he said, but Gilles played well and he gave him credit for that.

No doubt that Fed is the classiest opponent ever, along with Novak. Always gracious and acknowledging of others’ skills.

He think he played well and showed what a mental giant he can be at the times when a fed fan thinks that he could just lose in a split second of loss of focus.

Hopefully this tough match, which most definitely stretched him today, will set him up to meet Tsonga tomorrow.

Tsonga could cause him some trouble, but I hope Federer will be on his guard and ready to bite back in the way that only he can.

Was a tense, but great match today.

Allez Fed!


madmax Says:

Always respected Gilles Simon. A tricky player at the best of times. Can always pull something out of the bag.

When Roger slipped (how rare is that?), they played the shot on slow rewind…looked as if he had clipped his toes when bending his foot forward, and then his wrist? Surprised that no one has commented on that. This clearly unsettled him, or seemed to, as he lost the next 2 sets. I just watched his interview, and though he acknowledged his fall, he said it had nothing to do with his play overall, initially, may be he lost a bit of confidnece, he said, but Gilles played well and he gave him credit for that.

No doubt that Fed is the classiest opponent ever, along with Novak. Always gracious and acknowledging of others’ skills.

He think he played well and showed what a mental giant he can be at the times when a fed fan thinks that he could just lose in a split second of loss of focus.

Hopefully this tough match, which most definitely stretched him today, will set him up to meet Tsonga tomorrow.

Tsonga could cause him some trouble, but I hope Federer will be on his guard and ready to bite back in the way that only he can.

Was a tense, but great match today.

Allez Fed!


volley Says:

@ Tennis x hippy chic

i completely understand. to root for another player doesn’t mean one is a ‘hater’ of the opponent. my point to skeezer was that there weren’t a bunch of rafafans here. he is an overly sensitive chap.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Volley James, Okiegal,and Kimberley are all fair and reasonable Rafa fans,they were all objective but still congratulatory towards Roger after the match.


volley Says:

^ yes I know.


bstevens Says:

What is it about Simon’s game that troubles Fed? All he does is hit repeatedly to Fed’s backhand and wait for errors. (sound familiar?)


Steve 27 Says:

Little Chicken stunned him, Ali will him lying on the canvas.


steve-o Says:

@bstevens: It’s a mystery to me. But Federer doesn’t have the raw power and footspeed that Nadal/Djokovic/Murray have got. They can outlast Simon in rallies and outslug him.

Federer can neither blast Simon away with main force, nor hustle him off the court, so he has to outthink him. Sometimes he’s thinking clearly, other times not so clearly, so… The byproduct is some fantastic tennis.

I don’t find Simon nearly as tedious as those other human backboards, Nadal and Murray. He’s a much more cerebral player than the others, and he’s also preternaturally cheerful and spritely, and a wonderful competitor and sportsman to boot. A much more enjoyable on-court presence. But lacking their firepower, he’s not going to advance that deep in Grand Slams.


Humble Rafa Says:

Now that Skeezer is back, I feel happy for his cats.


Steve 27 Says:

No, they’re boring, because your idol loses most of the time with them, and its shortcomings are made ​​manifest. One thing is not like, the other is purely subjective. is much easier to commend him do not cause harm otherwise.


volley Says:

simon a cerebral player? now i’ve heard it all. lol


Steve 27 Says:

Yes, lol.


skeezer Says:

@volley,

Keep reading ( see example above ). You’ll find ‘em.

Cats? What are Cats? Is that the Play HR was caught attending?


steve-o Says:

LOLs. Yes, it’s a “shortcoming” that even Roger Federer will make a couple of unforced errors rallying against a brick wall for four hours, because his human brain eventually will make some mistakes.

News flash: so will anyone. That’s supposed to prove something profound and fundamental about the nature of the universe? Does that give you some kind of deep satisfaction? My, you’re easily amused.

They are not boring because they beat Federer, they are boring because players who rely so heavily on the mistakes the opponent makes are boring.

Simon is an intelligent player; he is very tactical, skilled at deceiving his opponents with his changes of pace and ability to redirect the ball. He had to be, because he’s skinny and doesn’t have the power the NadaDjokoMurray trio do.

If like Nadal and Murray you just rely on raw physical superiority, footspeed and strength to absorb the opponents’ blows until they tire and start making mistakes, that is a much less interesting way to win.

Even here there are some slight differences: Murray at least mixes up his junk balls somewhat; Nadal just rips the ball as hard as he can with uber-topspin until the opponent is pounded off the court or shanks because they can’t handle the amount of spin.

Not all the brightly colored clothing and endless PR about a goofy, innocent little naif can disguise the fundamentally tedious nature of Nadal’s game: as monotonous and mechanical as any monster truck rally. It is just a cold hard machine, painted in bright colors to distract the childish and fool the gullible.

The victory of the machine over the man is as exciting as the “victory” of a meat grinder over a pound of beef. There is nothing whatsoever in it, just dumb mechanical superiority.

Now, if the man were to struggle painfully, to plumb the very depths of his character, in his quest to overcome the machine, that would be something truly meaningful–a triumph of the spirit, not merely an athletic triumph.

You understand nothing, not one thing–not even about your own favorite, let alone mine, and certainly nothing about my reasons for liking who I like and disliking whom I don’t like. And you put down a quality player in Simon.


the DA Says:

Yes, that description of Gilles made me chuckle too. Simon wishes he had half the array of Andy’s shots not to mention a smidgeon of his tennis brain (and Nadal’s). He seems to be a really nice guy but I wouldn’t describe him as cheerful – more often forlorn. He does the gallic shrug best though.


mat4 Says:

Simon’s game troubles a lot of players when he plays at his best. He defends well, doesn’t give you much pace, he plays deep, he can be very patient and has an acute tactical sense.

He can hit with spin from both sides, but he can flatten his shots to accelerate unexpectedly, and he is anticipating quite well.

He was already a top ten player, and I think that he just lacks a bit of mental strength, not much, something that could have been changed with the help of the right coach, someone who could be a parental figure, on one side, and with enough technical knowledge to help him improve his game at the net and his attacking abilities.


volley Says:

^ “you put down a quality player in Simon”

nonsense. i think he’s a very fine player just not cerebral. at least i see no clear evidence of it.


mat4 Says:

Giles Simon is a very intelligent player. He certainly doesn’t deserve to be underestimated.


mat4 Says:

Gilles, sorry.


Humble Rafa Says:

Steve O,

Thank you Sir, for introducing the world “cerebral” into the tennis discussion.

Your contribution to tennis is as good now as the guy that introduced the tennis racquet.


volley Says:

i don’t underestimate him at all and can agree he’s intelligent. to me cerebral means something else as in able to find solutions on court and to change tactics. i think Gilles is instinctive rather than intellectual. for whatever reason against roger he does seems to trouble him but look at his records against nole (1-6) and andy (1-11). if he was cerebral on court we’d see him trying different patterns but he plays the same.

i did notice today in the 2nd and 3rd sets he was more consistently aggressive than i’ve ever seen him before and it worked most of the time. maybe that’s the key in future.


steve-o Says:

@volley: Not speaking to you, but to steve 27.


Okiegal Says:

@hippy chic

I am a Rafa fan to the core, I want him to win every match, bit he’s not going to. I have never on this forum put down another player. These top tennis players absolutely blow me away. I am just amazed at the things they can make happen. The way they challenge each other, geez, that why I love tennis. If Rafa gets beat, I will stll watch the tourney. I will be for another player, but it won’t be because I hate another. Hate is not in my vocabulary. May the best man win!!! I do appreciate the fact that you consider me a fair poster. Thanx!!


mat4 Says:

Some facts about Simon: he is 22-47 against top ten players; of those 69 matches he played 29 against the top four and won 5, so he his 17-23 against the others.

He managed to beat Roger, Rafa, Novak and Andy at least once.


Okiegal Says:

Did any of my Rafa fans read his last presser transcript??? Very interesting.

I was surprised about some of the issues he addressed.


volley Says:

@ mat4

“He managed to beat Roger, Rafa, Novak and Andy at least once”

there was once a book by Jacqueline Susann and it’s title expresses my sentiment over that stat ;)


mat4 Says:

@Volley:

This wasn’t meant for you neither. I saw your post only when I posted mine. It was an answer to the remark about Simon’s lack of brain.

But when we are at it: most of the players seldom change tactics in the course of a match. Usually, they revert to their habits under stress, I guess.

But in the case of Simon, he just doesn’t have the technical means to change his usual tactic. I didn’t watch him lately, and perhaps something has change under the coaching of Thierry Tulasne, but I don’t remember him slice, or volley a few years ago. He just didn’t have enough variety in his game.

But he anticipates very well, he’s steady, and he mixes well defence and aggression. His shot selection is good, although predictive. He changes also quite well the pace.


mat4 Says:

You mean “Une fois ne suffit pas”?

Speaking of Tulasne, I remember him with long hair, imitating Borg, and it is strange to see him now. Time…


mat4 Says:

@Volley:

Didn’t read that book. Didn’t need to. Know all about it. ;-)


volley Says:

@ mat4

i agree with most of that assessment. it’s true he almost never slices. he has tried to volley lately – in madrid and yesterday – but they’re mostly disastrous attempts. i just don’t see the neurons firing in his head on court like i do with some players. i certainly wasn’t putting him down.


mat4 Says:

@volley:

It’s ok. I didn’t mean you were trying to put him down. We just almost never write about any players out of the top few, so I grabbed my chance to do so.

Then, thinking of Simon I have the impression that, although the FFT invests a lot in young players, it doesn’t invest enough in the education of his coaching structure. Some players are lucky to have their parents invested in the sport — like Gasquet, or to grow with a coach like Winogradsky, who seems to be an excellent coach, but what about Simon, Chardy, ERV, PHM, even Monfils?

You sense that there is really no methodology, no basic elements common to all those players. There is no French school of tennis, there are Spanish, American or there was a Czechoslovak school back in the days.


jane Says:

For Wog boy, mat4, other Nole fans – not sure if you’ve seen this piece but it’s quite poignant.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/sports/tennis/03iht-coach03.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&


James Says:

“i would love Daveed to make his 1st final (no disrespect Federer fans),he has nothing in his game ,i mean no big weapons to hurt Roger,”

Very true, Tennis x hippy chic. Ferrer is such a hardworking guy, it’s hard not to appreciate him. At times I find myself rooting for him even against Rafa, like in Barcelona Open 2012 final. He’s such a fine and disciplined player but really lacks the weapons to take down the big four.


mat4 Says:

Hi, Jane, nice to “read” you.

Thanks for this article, and you’re right, it is poignant.


jane Says:

I am listening to Gershwin in honour of the NYT’s. How’ve ya been mat4?


mat4 Says:

I believe that Ferrer has a good chance to make the final, and that he has the weapons for such a feat. He played quite well against Roger at the WTF, against Rafa in Rome. His results at RG are, so far, impressive. Don’t write him off.


mat4 Says:

What are (is) the NYT’s?

A link for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcYuXkwyM5w

About poetry, life and death, Wagner…


skeezer Says:

Simon is very cerebral. (Not trying to put you down either here volley ). Just imo…
He just doesn’t have the physical tools that the ones above him have. He doesn’t have the physical game of Rafa, Fed, Nole, or Murray. For what he has, he does extremely well.
As an example, can his serve be dominating at times? Nada.


Wog boy Says:

jane,

Thanks for that, very nice article, indeed.


mat4 Says:

Hi, skeezer. Did you have a beer for the 900th?


Okiegal Says:

@van orten

@12:47 “Fed at his unforced erroring best.
@1:11 “impressively shitty”
@1:13 “He’s not even trying”
@1:24 “Slightly off???”
@1:36 “He can win this….another drama baby performance needed though, sigh”
@1:41 “Great game now, Vamos Roger! Happy there. since he picked up his game.
@2:33 “When Fed participates” Tacky remarks about your fav……just saying.


jane Says:

New York Times, mat4. ;) (Where the article about Jelena is from).

Lovely video, “the remorseful day…”

Here’s one for you, on the complications of love & death, with a syllogism or two. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4huaX0UAFGM


Wog boy Says:

New York Times, methinks.


Okiegal Says:

@van orten

By the way, I’m not an hombre…..but I guess in Rafa’s world I would be a senorita!! LOL


mat4 Says:

Hi, WB.

jane: Watched that film when I was young. So true, indeed, although I think I didn’t realize it then. And indeed, the soul, the minad are for poetry, but the body gets all the fun.


James Says:

@Mat4,

I’ve watched Ferrer for years, and he’s always been good. But he’s always found it hard when the big four players play aggressively with him. I’d be happy if he makes it to the final. I wouldn’t feel too bad even if it’s Rafa (I’m a big Rafa fan) he beats to win RG. But from what I’ve seen of him over the years, he isn’t going to do that. I think he’s going to beat Tommy Robredo in 3-4 sets, but I’ll be surprised if he takes down Federer in semi.


jane Says:

mat4, “when I was young” – I use that phrase more often than I used to do, alas. Oh well, more Woody-ish advice for us both:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OswLDD59prE


jane Says:

^ and honestly that *could* apply to tennis (or so I am telling myself for being abysmally “off topic”!)


mat4 Says:

BTW, is Housman a known poet in English speaking countries?


jane Says:

^ A.E.? Of course!


mat4 Says:

@James:

Ferrer certainly isn’t the favourite. But he is not without a chance.


mat4 Says:

I discovered him by chance, some years ago. My reading is, of course, quite different than yours, but he “sounds” well for me, sometimes like a divine incantation.


Wog boy Says:

mat4,

Jelena use to give Nole books to read. Pushkin and Esenin were favorite ones.


Wog boy Says:

“Yesenin”


jane Says:

…And she got him to listen to music; I think it’s quite interesting that a sports coach went for such a rounded education. It seems unusual but I don’t know.


mat4 Says:

I think that your orthography was OK. I prefer Maïakovski, although, in general, I don’t like Russian poets. But I like Tchekhov, Dostoïevsky, Tolstoï, and in France we had Troyat, Sarraute, Gary…


mat4 Says:

jane: Education in countries of Eastern Europe was far superior to anything done in the West at the time. The concept of l’uomo universale reigned supreme until the eighties, and I was very often surprised seeing the amount of studying required from students.

In natural sciences the big difference is/was money to invest in education, but in humanities, there couldn’t be any comparison until recently.


Wog boy Says:

jane,

She herself was very well educated, master degree for arts and history and was studying philosophy at Belgrade university. Her biography is very intersting and family history.


jane Says:

I am jealous mat4, but that’s great! Hopefully Nole channels all of it, and finds his best tennis and strongest will.


jane Says:

Wog boy, that’s very intriguing; I wish I knew more. Did she write a biography?


mat4 Says:

Don’t. The concept has been torn to pieces in the last decade, left not a wreck behind… Except perhaps in Russia, but I didn’t work there, so I don’t know from first hand.


Steve 27 Says:

You have to be a real ignorant not only tennis, but in life, to compare limited as Simon with someone like Nadal and Murray. You little clarity to see things, blind you, hide in your poor arguments that champions the likes of Rafa appear every so often, that the player you preise you
appear in droves.
You hate and resentment towards certain type of player can not appreciate you the beauty that it has and its not only the game concept but of their way of life.
What you call wrongly machine (a real nonsense, worthy of a beginner), is just the opposite, is the strength of the spirit, the human nature of power, work, sacrifice, perseverance and desire, beyond himself and believe that if you can reach the goals that a person is drawn in life.
The rest is cosmetic, and in sport is to win, if possible in a way that gives pleasure to the spectators, that’s fine, congratulations, but expect everyone to play a certain way, is not only wrong but also is unfair and there’s your problem: The dogmas hurt and make us believe that you can win only one way and it is not. I do not pretend that you like a certain type of player but do not come to disparage anyone, much less without any sustenance.

You opinion is like that of any one else in the sea of ​​worthless things and give it that sage seeks always falls faster. Think first and then respect the tastes of others to take you seriously, do not try to impose your tastes that are just yours, after all, who wants to dialogue with fundamentalists and people who make their truth, the truth for all. Respond quiet and not impose on others your views, which are closed and not all we want to know. No signs me, boy, do not accuse me of anything you do not know you or you know me. In front of the monitor is anyone going through what is not, and you show a clear desire to impose against the other you irrational fanaticism. You’re not a wise man to make me think that you are correct. If you know what is respect and tolerance to live in a community, leading by example and eliminate your pride enables setting you do not understand you people living around you. You must accept the criticism in good faith with no intention to offend.
It seems then that the value of the sacredness lit contemporary the Blessed tolerance is blurred absurd to intolerance and arrogance baring pagan zeal denial of criticism and the rejection of the opposite idea. It seems then, that bastion of contemporary sublime is simply the desire to impose itself on the other what to label it as indisputable, to present it as absolute truth.
It is a fact that the idea of ​​tolerance imposes silence on the screaming.
Finally, read this advice will help you in your relationships, someone who knows about this: “This alone is a major cause of difficulties and deterioration in relationships: the need to make the other person establishes his mistake or you a reason … Remember that anyone, nor to you, he likes to show he is wrong. You know that you dislike; honored as this right also in the other and waives the need to take the credit or to show your superiority. In a spiritual relationship no top and bottom, both are equal, and this equality is respected. Practice this and you will see how love replaces anger in that relationship. ”
Enjoy you favorite player, that I will enjoy mine.


Wog boy Says:

jane,

I don’t know, I will try to find out.

mat4,

How can you be in love, then being heartbroken after, then being young and not love (Y)Esenin. He was every high school student poet #1 and his tragic life and tragic love with Isadora Duncan. I kept his books under my pillow, that is how often I was heartbroken.
About education, you cannot be more right. I remember in early 70′s we had rhchange program with US. One of us from high school would go to US and one high school student from US would come and live with the family of the one that is overthere and study with us year or two. The teahers did go easy on him since we had on average 12 subjects each year for four years and what I was told by my friend who went to live with his family in America, he had around 6 subjects and he could chose 3-4 himself. I felt sorry for this poor American guy when he saw what we have to learn, two-three foreign languages, Latin too, maths, physics, biology, geometry, astronomy, philosophy, history… you name it. I had to know more about “Boston Tea Party” then Americans themselves:)


Wog boy Says:

“exchange program” should say


skeezer Says:

@mat4,

Surely you don’t consider someone like Steve Jobs inferior to your point? ;)

——-

steve 27

Re; 11:57 post and posting “manifestos?”.

I would think is not appropriate for this site, no? However, if your argument is to make a psychological metaphorical dream you want to share may I suggest you first check with your Therapist/Psychologist to make sure you are acting accordingly with approval to suggest such a thing in the simple normal world of TENNIS. Good luck and best wishes with that.


mat4 Says:

WB:

Be serious, Woggy, please. You’re not telling me that you really allowed yourself to fall in love? I don’t mean the healthy love toward nature, or the homeland, or, best of all, narcissism, a love that never deceives. Really?

Anyway, I found those verses just for you:

Tonight, my forehead gleams
and sweat drips in each eye;
my thoughts blaze through dreams,
tonight, of beauty I shall die.

The soul’s core is passion deep
in night’s abyss, a blazing cone.
Hush, weep in silence. Let us weep
and let us die. We’ll die alone.

Can you recognize this poem?


mat4 Says:

skeez:

Who is Steve Jobs?

#fossforce


skeezer Says:

Mat4,
LMAO, good one
;)


Wog boy Says:

mat4

“About education, you cannot be more right.”
This was sbout educational system being thorn apart in last 10-15 years. I went on a holiday overthere two years ago and found out that my nephew is attending same high school that I finished. I asked him to tell me the subjects and what they teach them now since “democracy” arrived. My comment was, no comment. I wouldn’t swap mine for his education, but I also recognize that that was past and this is present, times are changing, so I wish them all the best.


mat4 Says:

Anyway, skeez, you made me think about Steve Jobs. The best definition I could forge about him is that he was the ultimate kitsch meister.

And since Kundera has already sublimely explained what kitsch is, a few inimitable quotes:

“Kitsch causes two tears to flow in quick succession. The first tear says: How nice to see children running on the grass!

The second tear says: How nice to be moved, together with all mankind, by children running on the grass!”

And the best one:

“What remains of the dying population of Cambodia?
One large photograph of an American actress holding an Asian child in her arms.
What remains of Tomas?
As inscription reading “He wanted the Kingdom of God on earth”.
What remains of Beethoven?
A frown, an improbably mane, and a somber voice informing “En muss sein!”
What remains of Franz?
An inscription reading “A return after long wanderings”.
And so on and so forth. Before we are forgotten, we will be turned into kitsch. Kitsch is the stopover between being and oblivion.”


Wog boy Says:

Tin Ujević,

But I used google:( I was close but not close enough.

About love, not once but few times, the more girls were making fool of me, the more I was falling in love. I caouldn’t help it.


mat4 Says:

WB: To help you, another quote:

Deep in that heart, black wounds he dare not show;
he’s weary, cursed, a being in distress,
that sparkle in the eyes, that starry brow –
you’re dead, Tin. All your paths are emptiness.


Wog boy Says:

Tin Ujević

One of the great lyric poets of ex-Yugoslavia in the 20th century, who is now hailed as a great Croatian poet, Tin Ujević (1891 – 1955) has hardly been translated at all into English. His Collected Works number 16 volumes, and he is greatly loved as a lyric poet in Croatia as well as all the other countries of former Yugoslavia.

Tin is a writer of voluminous intellect, whose use of language, gentle musicality, purity of literary form and mournful, melancholic sensibility are reminiscent in many ways of Verlaine. He lived simply, and was a frequenter of bars and cafés. He was always poor. He wrote in the Croatian variant of the language, with a strong Dalmatian influence. He lived at various times in Belgrade, Sarajevo, Split, Zagreb and Paris.


Wog boy Says:

mat4, you may, or may not like this;

http://youtu.be/ZqYDprwPd8w


skeezer Says:

Good stuff guys, thanks for sharing.


Wog boy Says:

skeezer,

Thanks, I was waiting for somebody to abuse us for going off topic, now I feel better.


Margot Says:

@mat4
But the French system, which appears to nourish individualism, has produced a huge number of peacocks, for want of a better word, who are strutting their stuff in the top 100. No two players are alike, it seems to me. They’ve also got 2 very promising players coming up too.
In a world where we all seem to be hurtling towards mass culture, I like that very much.
an aside -do you like John Donne?
Re Simon, our comms were all gobsmacked at how aggressive Simon had suddenly become. They put it down to his new coach. But Courier made the point that, although he might be able to pull it out of the bag for special occasions, he would be unable, at 28, to do it for every match. Old habits die hard.


Margot Says:

PS Guys, off topic rocks :)


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Mat4 thankyou but as i say although id love for that to happen,however i just cannot see Daveed beating Roger over a best of 5 set match,still nothing ventured,nothing gained,hope springs,for the want of a better clique lol :).


Steve 27 Says:

Please skeezer, first, I was not addressing you.
And second, you’re the person? less adequate to say the same. I’m glad that courts try to talk the sport instead of your constant diatribes the executioner of your idol.
When you start talking like an educated person, it is worth talking to you. Until then, you do not deserve an answer.
adieu, garçon
Be careful with Ali


volley Says:

if i may be permitted to stay ‘off topic’ for one more post (and since we’re quoting writers), i’ve often thought of a phrase from a Rimbaud poem whenever I ponder the mindset of the gifted and flamboyant French players (also murray in another context):

“J’ai seul la clef de cette parade sauvage.”

they become so drawn to their artistic impulses that they forget they possess the key. e.g., i’ve heard monfils and gasquet describe some of their losses as ‘beautiful’ battles.

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