Why Did Novak Djokovic Want The Court To Be Watered? Let Him Explain
by Tom Gainey | June 8th, 2013, 6:17 pm
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In the most important moment of an ongoing epic match against Rafael Nadal, Novak Djokovic went after chair umpire Pascal Maria for not taking the time to water the court.

Djokovic lodged the complaint on the changeover just before he served at 7-8 in the fifth set. Once play resumed, without the court having been watered, Djokovic was broken at love and Nadal won the incredible 4 hour, 37 minute match 64, 36, 61, 67(3), 97.

But why was Djokovic so adamant on getting the court watered at such a critical juncture instead of simply concentrating on the upcoming service game? Here’s what he said:

I spoke to supervisor after the match, and from his understanding it’s well, I was told on the court grounds people are the ones making final decision, and supervisor tells me he’s the one who makes final decision on condition of court. It’s a confusing situation, really.

I was not asking to water the court because I want to make my opponent trip or do something like that, you know. I was doing it for myself, because I felt that it got very dry and it was very slippery.

There was also a lot of wind throughout the whole match, so the wind was taking out the clay from the court. I thought I made a right argument at the time.

And then I was basically on every changeover from 4-3 in the fifth asking, you know, how long are we really going to play? Because they couldn’t really tell me. They say, Okay, we’re not going to do it for a while. But why?

In the end, supervisor tells me, yes, I go to the grounds people and I talk to them, and then, you know, I can’t make a decision if one player is saying yes, the other is saying no.

So it’s very relative in the end, you know. Like whose opinion has more value, really? And I respect all the people, grounds people. They have been taking care of this court for many years, no question about it. I’m not questioning their input on that.

But if I’m asking them to water the court, it would take another 30 seconds or one minute on the changeover, and I believe it would change a lot because it would not be as dry and not as slippery. Like, this in my opinion: was too slippery. Difficult to change direction, you know, okay. I just don’t understand. That’s it. I think that it’s wrong what they did.

The slipperier and drier the court the greater benefit to Nadal. Novak was in the right to request a watering especially since the set had gone past 6-6 (courts do get water after end of sets), but to do it at that moment may have been a misstep by Novak.

By watering the court Novak can get greater footing and Rafa would in theory lose some of the bite and bounce to his groundstrokes.

Nadal, however, wasn’t for watering the court at that time but had they done it, he admitted he would have been okay with it.

“I don’t see normally in the middle of the set putting water on the court on clay,” Rafa said. “I didn’t see that in the past. And I watch Novak asking for that. I don’t feel it was slippery. But everybody is free to ask the things. Is completely great. Is completely right that Novak ask for that. I didn’t want water on court.

“The umpire asked me if I want water on court. I say not. Seems like the rule I didn’t know nothing about that but seems like the rule is both players had to be agree on put water on the court if it’s in the middle of one set. So I just receive question from the umpire, and I say, I prefer not. But if they put water, I would not say nothing against.”

Djokovic agreed it was an incredible match and he credited Nadal, who he has never beaten at Roland Garros, for the victory.

“It’s been an unbelievable match to be part of, but all I can feel now is disappointment,” Novak said Friday. “That’s it.

“I congratulate my opponent, because he showed the courage in the right moments and went for his shots, and, you know, when he was break down in the fifth he made some incredible shots from the baseline.

“I congratulate him, because that’s why he’s a champion. That’s why he’s been ruling Roland Garros for many years, and for me it’s another year.”


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120 Comments for Why Did Novak Djokovic Want The Court To Be Watered? Let Him Explain

Simon Says:

You still needed to focus on the job, Nole. Nevertheless, you did terrific and the bigger mistake you did was you were not ready with your return and back-hand from the get-go, like in Monaco.

You still can win the greatest tournament in our sport and end this year no.1 and you would have redeemed this minor blemish!

Keep marching on, Nole


jane Says:

Yeah, Nole shouldn’t've lost his focus over it; Steve Tignor, in his match summary put it this way:

“In the rain-soaked 2012 final here, the court had been too soggy for Rafa; this year the court was too slippery for Nole. Both times the water gods, and the French officials, left Djokovic high and dry.”

I like your words Simon: hoping Nole bounces back and as you say keeps “marching on.” :)


Steve 27 Says:

Because he is a loser. End of history.


jane Says:

^ Some Rafa fans loathe people disparaging Rafa’s achievements, and then you get comments like that one, above, sigh.


Steve 27 Says:

When you complain is because you are losing and you need extra things to reverse the situation.


Steve 27 Says:

Little Simon, I told you to take your medicine before you write something. Your frustration is so obvious, you need professional care to calm your anger contained. If you can not afford professional help, at least I recommend you see Anger Management with Charlie Sheen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKuJuLPPgdI


James Says:

Simon, bring on the Rafa jokes please. I don’t even know what the jokes are about.
By the way, Andy Murray thinks that Nadal is the best player in the world. Must be crazy, eh?


courbon Says:

Ok, I got it now-6th time grand slam champion is a loser ( at age of 26 ) AND you, sitting all day blogging and posting rubbish, are?
I thought so…


Legend Says:

Simon,
Kiddo, its time to change your nappy.


Legend Says:

Contador,
Against Rafa even your so called GOAT come out as loser. Hahaha.


Skeezer Says:

Simon,

Don’t mind that racist joke teller. He’s the guy who predicted Rafa would win in 4 sets.

#astudyinexaggeration


Legend Says:

This is for courbon.


Legend Says:

Skezer is talking to himself. Hahahaha.


Steve 27 Says:

Lol


James Says:

@courbon, Djokovuc is the current world #1 whether anyone likes it or not. And he wasn’t gifted the #1 ranking. He earned it.


Skeezer Says:

“Contador,
Against Rafa even your so called GOAT come out as loser. Hahaha.,

Loser of what? He has more Slams than anyone. Ever. Who cares who he loses too? Long as he keeps the all time records. Must have showed he is the biggest winner of all time, not loser.


Legend Says:

Skezer,
Enough of your rants.Go home. I will aks your mommy to get you a candy.


Skeezer Says:

@Legend

Oh no. Can’t get away with that one. It was not invented by me. That came from Stevie 27 herself. One of many bad jokes. Just ask her yourself.


Legend Says:

Skewer,
You wont understand jokes…grow up and come back once you are atleast 12 yrs old.


Skeezer Says:

Legend (Hasbeen)

Eberyone here understood what was in that joke, if you call it that. Did you take time to really read it? Surprised it was not deleted.

I am not going anywhere, I graduated some time ago, did you? Don’t post like it. Stay in school, don’t do drugs.

You can’t debate Tennis, you just want post up graffiti.
Schoolyard stuff easlly seen.

(Helpful hint:
re;Skewer…..turn off your “autospell”, now go back to computer class, they’ll show you how to do that)


Steve 27 Says:

herself?
skeezer, to my knowledge, I have not changed sex as Renée Richards. Do not know if you’ve said about or have you confused. But I know these days have been sad for you and I forgive you, you are the best troll this forum. Hopefully Federer to win Halle with his good friend Tommy, because in singles he cannot do anymore.


Legend Says:

Skewer the little pinky,
Enough for today. Go to bed….else your mommy will whoop your a$s just like Rafa does to your fed. Hahaha.


Legend Says:

Steve,
Forgive that little kiddo. He is in a desperate state now. His nappies are full, but his mom is busy with their neighbour. Let his rant.


Fadzel nor Says:

Rafa is the most sublime personality in tennis, next come Roger Federer. I regret to say that Novak is a distance away from Rafa and Nadal in terms of demanour on court.

Rafa and Federer are an epitomy of a role model in sports. Every parent, must always support these persolities.

I am rooting for Nadal to win the final but I will not be unhappy if Ferrer wins it. However, when Djokovic is beaten by Nadal it somehow gives me a lot of satisfaction.


Skeezer Says:

^grafitti


Steve 27 Says:

lol, legend, unfortunately the food in America seems to have a side effect in people who could not grow well. The best joke you may have is that this troll is married, so I know it says love is blind, deaf and dumb. Greetings!


Legend Says:

Really ?
This creature is married ???
I dont really believe that even a street dog would come near this piece of crap. Cant imagine…yuck.


Fedster Says:

Whats happening here ?
Rafanatics are out in the sun.
Anything about tennis ?


Skeezer Says:

^just grafitti


Fedster Says:

Hey Skeezer,
You are the chief trouble maker here. You talk crap and invite trouble for yourself and even more for others here. You deserve this.


jane Says:

“When you complain is because you are losing and you need extra things to reverse the situation.”

Then why did Rafa complain last year?

Sigh.


jane Says:

“In the rain-soaked 2012 final here, the court had been too soggy for Rafa… this year the court was too slippery for Nole. Both times the water gods, and the French officials, left Djokovic high and dry.”

^ Tignor’s words – in other words, stopping play last year and not watering the court this year both worked to whose advantage?

Sigh. I really don’t wanna go here, but I am going to defend Nole because he did NOTHING wrong. He’s a great champion and he fought hard and played well losing 9-7 in the 5th versus the King of Clay. And then he’s called a “loser”.


James Says:

@jane, Nole stretched Rafa like never before at Roland Garros. It must be very disappointing for him. But apart from Soderling, who else has won against Rafa at RG? Novak came close to doing that in their match. Rafa won it fair and square, but Nole fought well too.


James Says:

@jane, and some posters here are just trolling. Don’t take them too seriously.


jane Says:

No one James! That’s why it was remarkable to see Rafa pushed, and for that Nole just doesn’t deserve to be called a “loser”. Yes, he lost concentration and he lost his break, but Rafa had something to do with it too. Just like AO 2012 (another thing Tignor mentioned in his article, and Rafa did in his presser). Rafa also fought like a lion, like these two always do.

Rafa will have 12 slams tomorrow, 8 on clay.
Nole will still have 6 non-clay slams.
Rafa will win more I am sure.
I hope Nole can get one FO, that’s all.


James Says:

Jane, Nole has come closer and closer to winning the FO each year. I won’t be too surprised if he wins it next year. If he fails to do it next year, it will get tougher and tougher to win for him. He’s a fighter and I’m sure he’ll keep fighting for it ’till he achieves it. IMHO in men’s tennis today, Rafa and Nole are the two mentally toughest players. No wonder they both fight to the end in their matches.
Yes, it was very similar to AO12. Same players, same no. of sets and same chair umpire too (did you know that?). Both matches could have gone either way. Anyone calling Nole a “loser” either didn’t mean it or more likely doesn’t know much about tennis.


Skeezer Says:

Hey Fedster,

I am ok with myself and my knowledge and opinions of the game. The losers here eventually do the same old thing, trying to call out the poster, skeez. Why? They lose at the subject matter and resort to Playdoh kindergarten stuff. One day the moderators will own up, as this site is not about that(like racist jokes).

Regardless, that grafitti stuff never bothers me, as you can see, I keep on a postin, when I feel the need.

Out.

#17


Steve 27 Says:

Complaining that the sliding surface is like complaining that the balls bounce much, or even the sun, are typical of losers excuses, I’m surprised that this man stoop so low, when he lose.


Skeezer Says:

^this is what I mean about Rafanatics. Its not Fed fans only, they go after ANYONE not Rafa.

^oh you mean like complaining about scheduling, complaining about getting nicked for taking too much time, whatever excuse you need for losing?

You are a piece of work. Not.
Rafa said himself that the sunny hot conditions favor his game. He complained of losing to Fed in 2012 IW cause it was “windy”(don’t forget if when he loses there is always the “knees” excuse). So he is a whiner too, no? Give your usual bias(and racist jokes) a rest.

#Mylovemyrafamyeverything
#postersonmywallarenotenough


jane Says:

James @9:45 I guess you’re right. :/ Will try to ignore.


Steve 27 Says:

Against the ropes Nadal is superior to any player of History


Skeezer Says:

-^yeah yeah yeah, but that doesn’t buy him all time records. Skew it baby, keep skewin it girl.


Michael Says:

It was a reasonable request by Novak. It is already 7 all in the fifth. Why not water the court when both the players agree ?? The match already took about four and half hours and just another 10 minutes of delay is not going to make any difference. Being World No.1, the Authorities should have responded to his request favourably, but for some reason they rejected it. Poor Novak. Everything went against him that day – the Umpire, the Referee, the Nature and Nadal’s brilliant play, still it is incredible that he almost won the match.


Steve 27 Says:

Rafa beat federer in grand slams on Feds fave surfaces. Fed has never beaten Nadal at the French
and never will, chic.


Rsutherland Says:

Nope Skeezer, you are wrong. And in the 10 minutes a day i choose to browse these sites, your patterns repeat and repeat.

You may ignore or my toss off my words (or Fedster’s or Legend’s or Giles’) as those from trolls, but beyond opinion is fact. And in fact I am right.

You really you are the most disingenouos character on here.

As I have explained, it is not that you post snarky comments about Nadal; but that you do so after sailing along as if you are some nice little ’17′ year old trying to get along.

Then “Bam” comes the snarky comment.

One the most ludicrous examples is when you mention the “nice Nadal’ fans?!!!
Nice to you are those who take your ‘fecal matter’ coated anti Nadal comments and simply respond with grace. (three posters with names of the fairer gender…won’t say whom. Fine they have that right, though they are Skeezer enablers too in a sense).

The ‘bad’ Nadal supporters who behave no worse than you except towards a different player.

You will continue to have enablers on here …probably because you engage in all the regurgitated information tennis sites have to offer.

And of course, ‘fellow supporters’ rarely call out their own.

Fedster -
Giles -
Legend -
Brand -
Steve27 -
Good for you for letting this snarky little weed ‘have it’.

I wish I had the time to provide more back-up.


Steve 27 Says:

Michael, you position is understandable (fed fan) trying to encourage the executioner of your idol, but is objectionable. Best won and that was Nadal. You sound like a sore loser (Mourinho), what does the umpire, the authorities in the Serb defeat?. Being a tennis match, complaining is the lowest it can be.


Michael Says:

Steve, Don’t you see that as a reasonable request by Novak ? Why not the Authorities respond to it when Nadal too has no objection ? Nadal won. I am not disputing it. He played brillianty. A worthy winner I would say. But don’t you think Novak was a tad unlucky with all those faulty line calls in the opening sets, that collision with the net and lastly the non-watering of the slippery surface ??


Skeezer Says:

Rsutherland,

Uh?

Not into Psycho bable, talk Tennis, then I am all in. Seems you spend too much time trolling tennis sites for Rafa love. How about trolling for all Tennis players and the Game? What a waste of time for you. I have better things in life to do.
There are great nadal fans here, you just chose not to acknowledge them.


Forehand Says:

“Don’t you see that as a reasonable request by Novak ? Why not the Authorities respond to it when Nadal too has no objection ?”

Michael,

Check this:

“The umpire asked me if I want water on court. I say not. Seems like the rule I didn’t know nothing about that but seems like the rule is both players had to be agree on put water on the court if it’s in the middle of one set. So I just receive question from the umpire, and I say, I prefer not. But if they put water, I would not say nothing against.”

The rule says they can water it ONLY if both of them agree.


Michael Says:

Forehand, So it seems Rafa didn’t agree to it and so the Authorities rejected it. Well in that case, I have nothing to say. Rafa obviously will say that because lack of water on court will help his vicious top spin even more. The Umpire should have descended to the court to see the condition and then take an appropriate decision.


Forehand Says:

James Says:
Jane, Nole has come closer and closer to winning the FO each year. I won’t be too surprised if he wins it next year. If he fails to do it next year, it will get tougher and tougher to win for him.

James,
I totally agree with. Nole has to win it next year. Even next year it would be very difficult…he will be 27 then. The chances of him getting upset by others wll be much higher. But on the other Rafa may not get upset….his game is just tailor made for clay. The chances of Rafa winning FO 2 or 3 times more is much higher than Nole winning it just once. But if Nole can get to the finals against Rafa he will have good chance next time.


Steve 27 Says:

Michael, just for the sake of sanity I will mention the fact that Nadal hit 61>54 winners compared to Djokovic

also Djokovic hit 75 Unforced Errors compared to Nadal’s 44.
This match, like Wimbledon 2008 should have been at maximum in 4 sets.

If you think otherwise thats your opinion, but the better player won yesterday and the mention of extra things is beyond of me.
Come on give the credit where it is due.


Forehand Says:

Skeezer Says:
“talk Tennis, then I am all in.”

Skeezer,
Amidst all your tirades good to see a joke. LOL.


Forehand Says:

Skeezer Says:
“I have better things in life to do.”

Wow…another great joke.
Steve,
You have learn from Skeezer to make funny statements.


Michael Says:

Steve, I have already extended the credit to Nadal for his brilliant play. Some of the shots he hit in the fifth set was incredible. Novak was hitting winners but it was being returned as another winner by Rafa. Only he can do that. Infact just after this match, I couldn’t watch the Tsonga Vs Ferrer match because it was like watching Saving Private Ryan after a James Bond thriller. The match was of such high quality and all credit to both Rafa and Novak. We need such matches to make the Sport more interesting. Now see the finals. It is without interest when the winner is already decided. Rafa won deservingly. No doubt about it. I am not denying him the credit. But I also would like to appreciate Novak for putting such a gallant fight inspite of his above average play. He had some bad line calls plus a lot of imponderables which could be intrepreted in different ways according to one’s own convenience. Obviously one of my favourite is Novak and I might be a little biased. That is natural. Just as you are judging it from Rafa’s perspective.


Forehand Says:

jane Says:
“In the rain-soaked 2012 final here, the court had been too soggy for Rafa… this year the court was too slippery for Nole. Both times the water gods, and the French officials, left Djokovic high and dry.”

^ Tignor’s words – in other words, stopping play last year and not watering the court this year both worked to whose advantage?

Jane,

Both are not same. You are comparing a normal situation (dry clay) to something very abnormal (rain soaked clay).

I would just like to remind you that even Nole wanted to go out of the court when it was raining. I know you are one of the fair posters.


Forehand Says:

jane Says:
“When you complain is because you are losing and you need extra things to reverse the situation.”

Then why did Rafa complain last year?

Jane,
Can you please check this ?

“When the refs finally stopped it Nadal led 6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 1-2 with Djokovic serving up a break in the fourth. “Rafa,” Stefan Fransson, “didn’t really want to play on, and Novak said that the court was too slippery to play on.””

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2012-06-10/9906.php


Forehand Says:

The fact is:

In 2012 BOTH Rafa and Nole complained about the conditions (abnormal).
In 2013 Nole complained about the conditions (normal).


Forehand Says:

Q. Just to take you back to last night, did you think that the conditions, when you went off, were any worse than the conditions when you actually resumed?
NOVAK DJOKOVIC: Yeah, they were really bad, the conditions yesterday, because it was raining for a while…


Michael Says:

In my opinion, Nadal should have appreciated Novak’s reservations about the condition of the court. Having already won it seven times, there is no need for him to opt for such cheap tactics to counter his opponent. This was an abnormal match which was extended and so the rules must be deployed differently to suit the occasion. Novak had a legitimate grievance about the condition of the court. It should have been set right by the Umpire in consultation with the Supervisors. But he listened to Rafa’s opinion and declined it. This is quite unfortunate.


Forehand Says:

Michael,

The fact is Nole does not have a great technique to slide and move on clay. His strokes on clay are second to none. But his movments are always under pressure on dry clay. Thats the reason why Rafa has 7(8) FOs and Nole has NONE. It is not about the conditions….the fact is Nole does not have the technique to deal with normal conditions on clay.


Forehand Says:

“Having already won it seven times, there is no need for him to opt for such cheap tactics to counter his opponent.”
What is that cheap tactic ?


Nadalista Says:

I am glad Rafa won in 5 not less. It showed the field that Rafa is back, that his stamina is back, that his legendary steel wall mentality is back. He still looked fresh in that 16th game in the 5th set. More importantly, his focus was iron clad. It would have been easy to be distracted, like Novak was, by Novak’s ” discussions” with the Umpire, but Rafa was not.

More importantly, why is Novak losing focus so easily during matches these days? He was distracted by the crowd in Madrid, lost focus and lost. He was distracted by a supposed hole in the ground in Rome, which he only saw but Berdych did not, while serving for the match, lost focus and eventually lost. Now at RG, he starts an argument with officialdom at the worst possible time, a time where maximum concentration is required, loses focus and the match. Curious.

I know some Nole fans have told us Madrid and Rome were strategic losses to conserve energy for RG but hell, some strategy that’s turned out to be. What, RG loss was strategic too? Baloney, the guy is having some serious concentration issues.


Michael Says:

Forehand,

May be you have a point there. Novak is not a natural clay court player. He is an hard court specialist. He is trying to become a better player on Clay and I am proud of the fact that he stretched Rafa to the maximum this time around on his most favoured surface and that too when Rafa was playing so brilliantly atleast in the fifth set. The cheap tactic was not to agree to Novak’s request for watering the court in the middle of the match due to its slipperiness when the umpire passed on to him. It is quite normal and he could have agreed to it in my opinion. It is not going to make any big difference.


Forehand Says:

Nadalista,

Great post.

“I know some Nole fans have told us Madrid and Rome were strategic losses to conserve energy for RG but hell, some strategy that’s turned out to be. What, RG loss was strategic too? Baloney, the guy is having some serious concentration issues.”

LOL.


Forehand Says:

Where is Jane when we needed he the most ??????


Forehand Says:

Oops sorry….

Where is Jane when we needed her the most ??????


Michael Says:

I do not buy Novak’s excuses in Madrid and Rome. If he had lost in Rome due to lapse of concentration, well then he paid for it. That cannot be offered as an excuse for his loss. Even here in Rolland Garros, it was not an excuse for his loss, it was just his grievance which I think is quite legitimate and this will apply only for Rolland Garros and not Madrid and Rome.


courbon Says:

@ Nadalista and Forehand: Agree.Rafa is back and Novaks dips in concentration (or just a tennis) are worring for fans like me.
Novaks technic is not perfect on clay but the reason why he does not have RG is very simple-NADAL.He is just too good on clay.
Strategic looses?Don’t buy that for a second.
I hope he gets his Mojo back for Wimby…and all the best to your guy today, hope he wins (99% he will ) and lets Rafas and Novaks rivaly continues because is quite balanced and for me exciting.At the moment, Nadal has upper hand


jane Says:

Forehand, I was out!!

Sorry, I truly didn’t want to open a can of worms, but I had just had enough with people like Steve 27 calling Nole a “loser” – he most definitely is not. I don’t have Nole’s full presser from last year, but I can cite an article thus that implies it was mainly Rafa who wanted the play stopped, and this is what I remembered; I recall how frustrated/upset Rafa was about the weather last year:

“Djokovic took eight straight games while the rain steadily fell and the ball got heavier and heavier. When play was finally called due to the rain, Nadal erupted.

In what could be considered a fairly emotional outburst by one of the game’s most stoic players, Nadal verbally lashed out at the tournament’s head official.

Upset because he was forced to play in the difficult conditions (that honestly didn’t suit his style of play), Nadal made it known (in English, too) that he felt the suspension of play came far too late.

If anyone should be angry at the suspension of play, however, it’s Djokovic. He has clearly found his form and has gotten inside the head of Rafael Nadal yet again. He has all the momentum right now and has been able to adjust to the playing conditions.

Nadal can’t put the type of spin on the ball that he is accustomed to (which is one of the main reasons why he is so dominant at Roland Garros) because of how wet the balls are, and it’s neutralizing any advantage he had when the match began.

It’s very disappointing that rain has forced this match to move its conclusion to Monday. As important and historic as this French Open final is, the players and the fans deserved to see it finish today. ”

link here:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rain-causing-rafael-nadal-meltdown-suspended-french-open-183100173–ten.html

I won’t say more. I believe Nole was fair in his post-match comments. He was very complimentary of Nadal’s play – and indeed Nadal fought heartily and won.

——————

Nadalista, I believe it was only Mila who said such a thing about Madrid and Rome, and she’s only a very sporadic poster, not one of the 3 or 4 regular Nole fans who post here.

——————

I actually don’t agree with those who opine that Nole has only until next year to potentially win Roland Garros.

In fact, in recent years, it’s the older players who have excelled at Roland Garros; both last year and this year the average age is creeping up, and at this slam older players have been doing particularly well.

Both Fed & Agassi won their RG titles when they were 29 years old.

So imo, if Nole stays motivated and healthy, he has a few more kicks at the can. Hope he can do it!


Okiegal Says:

I think Novak’s mind wondered back 2012 when he was turning the match around when it started to rain. Rafa wanted to stop a lot sooner than they did. If I remember correctly Novak wanted to play on. The momentum of the match turned to Nole’s favor, and not Rafa’s, when raining. See his point but do understand why Rafa didn’t agree to it…….he might have thought about 2012, also!! Kudos to Nole, very close to winning……but this Rafa fan is glad he didn’t. Guess I’m a little selfish…..but would love to see him get 17 titles before he retires. Then we can settle the GOAT issue. LOL


Okiegal Says:

Putting all arguments aside, playing in rain isn’t classified as normal conditions for a tennis match. Damper conditions suits Nole’s game and hot conditions suit Rafa’s game…..but playing in rain is not a normal for a match. What Rafa got upset about last year because they didn’t call the match sooner. The balls were soaking wet. Not to stop that match sooner was just plain wrong, IMHO.


Steve 27 Says:

Btw, jane, you seem to take it seriously all and misunderstand things. Of course with his 6GS Djokovic, 37 titles, 2 WTF and other records is one of a kind, that no one disputes.
The unfortunate thing is that it seems to use that as an excuse to use even deny it after the defeat well given. I appreciate your unconditional desire to defend everything he says and does, but here it acts incorrectly for the conduct of the tennis, this is not football and guys like Mourinho are set to mourn, inventing anything to defend their ways and proceed. Good wishes to you favorite player.


Skeezer Says:

“The unfortunate thing is that it seems to use that as an excuse”

And there ya go.


nadalista Says:

Rafa is not playing Halle because he is afraid? Nonsense. If that is the case, then Fed was driven by fear when he skipped Miami, Monte Carlo etc. Nonsense.


nadalista Says:

Christian Garin (Chile) is the new French Open Junior Champion.

When Rafa was in Chile early this year, his new management company (which Rafa co-owns with Carlos Costa, his agent) signed Christian Garin up.

Garin, one to watch……….


James Says:

Lukas Rosol is currently ranked 36 in the world.


skeezer Says:

Thanks for the deletes Tennis X!
:)


skeezer Says:

James,

Noted. But he wasn’t ranke that when he played Rafa last year at Wimby.

nadalista,

Of course Rafa is not afraid. You know where that comment was directed. I think Fed also pulled out from Halle when he won FO in 2009. Its a grueling turn around if you win FO to Grass, no doubt.


skeezer Says:

@nadalista

Is he a lefty? ;)


jane Says:

Nole on Rafa’s win and play in the semi:

“I congratulate my opponent, because he showed the courage in the right moments and went for his shots, and, you know, when he was break down in the fifth he made some incredible shots from the baseline. I congratulate him, because that’s why he’s a champion. That’s why he’s been ruling Roland Garros for many years…”

And ” He hit some lines from unbelievable angles. And 3‑1 in the fifth when I ‑ when we played a long game, many opportunities I had. But other than that he was serving really well. He was much more aggressive and he made some incredible shots. So, look, you know, this match could have gone either way. It went his way, and I congratulate him.”

All the other stuff, for example the smash & sliding into the net or watering down the court, Nole was *asked* about these by journalists. As far as I can tell, he didn’t bring up these as excuses for his loss.


contador Says:

I know you don’t care what I think, but very impressed that you post a link about and are on top of the junior champs at RG @ Nadalista!

Of course one does wonder if you would have noticed if Nadal did not have a connection there ;)


skeezer Says:

jane,

Don’t buy into the “excuse” attacks. Rafafanatics have always owned that category. They are just diversion jealous tactics. No need to get drawn into it. Nole has never made a “habit” of it.


Julia Says:

I see skeezer is up to his old tricks..lol…many are starting to see the snarkiness for themselves. Loves to say Rafa fans do it all but he is always on a Rafa thread to make some deririve comment about him. He must not own a mirror..lol

jane and courbon and any other Nole fan…I posted before the semi, that I was nervous for Rafa, because I give Nole all the respect he deserves as a great tennis player, a Number 1 player and to me, a man who has changed from the “joker” to a gracious, thankful and heartwarming human being. Any Rafa fan knows he gives Rafa fits, and that isn’t exclusive of clay. He will continue to do so IMO. I do hope he recovers from this for some more spectacular tennis for us at Wimby!

All other fans of whoever, any reasons to find excuses why Nole lost, or why Rafa is skipping Halle, or why fed lost…..is all just BS. The players themselves know, and when you have talked to them personally and asked them those questions……..then you might be taken seriously.


nadalista Says:

@skeezer, no, Garin is right handed.

@contador, you know me, it’s ALL about Rafa!


contador Says:

Is this a sign? Can we count you in ? By IN, I means the Wimbledon prediction game? Kimberly’s bracket challenge, @ Nadalista? :D

come on.


nadalista Says:

@skeezer, why would Rafans be jealous of Novak and/or his fans? Doesn’t make sense to me. Novak is the #1 player in the world, deservedly so, and he has many years of success ahead of him. But he is nowhere near Rafa’s accomplishments tennis-wise YET, by any measure. He may get there in future, or even surpass him who knows. Then, maybe then, would Rafans have cause to be jealous. But as of now? Sorry, doesn’t make sense………..


nadalista Says:

@contador, let me see how Rafa does today against Ferru then I’ll let you know if I want to take on the exertions of your bracket challenges.

Thanks for the invitation btw……..


nadalista Says:

Interesting analysis of Rafa and his game from 2005 when he won his first RG to now:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/09/sports/tennis/a-review-of-nadals-look-mannerisms-and-game.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0


Alex Says:

“But he is nowhere near Rafa’s accomplishments tennis-wise YET, by any measure.”

7 Times in a row he owned him.

Doesn’t Novak have more Harcourt slams than Nadal?

I suppose Rafanatics see clay where ever they look, cause everything else by no measure counts.

#Soundsjealoustome
#Whysomanycontradictions
#IsyourtoiletmadeofCLay?


Ben Pronin Says:

Julia, and others, to sort of go along with the players knowing what’s best for themselves, I think this quote applies. For those who know how much crap Lebron James always gets, this is Greg Popovich, head coach of the Spurs, defending him:

“He’s a grown man,” Popovich tells the media. “He doesn’t need any of you to tell him anything. He knows more than all of you put together. … If he makes a pass and you all think he should’ve shot it, or he shoots it and you think he should’ve made a pass … your opinions mean nothing to him.”

I think the same applies to Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, and every other athlete out there. They got to where they are from obscurity, way before they had a legion of fans criticizing or praising every little move and word.


Forehand Says:

Jane,

What you are quoting is an opinionated article which is obviously not 100% true. The journalists want to give some excuses for Nole’s loss because their predictions went wrong. Your article misses the most important point that in 2012 Nole himself was not comfortable with the conditions.

What I quoted was Nole’s own words.

The FACT is:

In 2012 BOTH Nole AND Rafa complained against the conditions and THEN they stopped play.

In 2013 it was only Nole who complained against the conditions which were normal for clay under the hot sun. The umpire and the match referee purely went by the rules. Nole is complaining even after the match because he is not aware of the rules.


nadalista Says:

Well done, @Alex, eloquent and persuasive in equal measure, as usual.


Forehand Says:

Nadalista,
Alex replying to you for your post meant for skeezer ?
Forgot to log off and log on ?


Alex Says:

^
So you log on when you post, now do you?


jane Says:

Interesting and humorous/cheeky (?) tweet from Christopher Clarey of the NYTs today:

Christopher Clarey @christophclarey 1h
Someone upstairs must have agreed with Djokovic. They are definitely watering the court during the sets today #RG13


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Jane for what its worth,Novak was quite within his rights by wanting the court to be watered,sorry as i know its not of much consolation though now,as i didnt get to see all of the match because i had to go to work,but all you can ask as a fan is for things to be put on a fair and even footing for both players.


jane Says:

I think that’s a cheeky comment about the guy with the flare tennis x hippy chic. Luckily it was taken care of swiftly. These kinds of outbursts are frightening!

But yes I guess it’s fairly normal to water clay with it’s warm and dry, and especially when there is wind, as there was the other day.

What’s done is done.

Enjoy Rafa’s win.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Thankyou Jane your a nice lady,im sorry i sometimes let my virtual tongue run away with me,with some of the things i say,no hard feelings,onto grass courts now,looking forward to seeing how Andy fares this week at Queens Club,is Nole playing either of those events Queens or Halle?


jane Says:

Not that I know of – he’s not been playing warm ups the last couple of years, except for the event at Boodles (sp?), the exo right before Wimbles. Yes, I too am looking forward to grass. Hope Andy wins Queens. No worries re: virtual tongues. :)


Nina Says:

Don’t worry Jane, a lot of idiots here that have nothing remotely interesting to say other than criticise and bullshit these awesome players. Ignore them, they’re waste of time and space.

I’m very proud of our Nole and no doubt he will do better next time for every year he is closer and closer. ;)

And remember: he’s still number 1! He could end 2013 third year in a row. That is what matters!


jane Says:

Thanks Nina & cheers! It’s nice to see you here, whenever you can make it.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Nina i dont know if that post was aimed at me,but i have never trashed talked Nole,i defended Nole with Steve 27s racist joke,i only got annoyed when a new poster defended Nole by trash talking Roger and Rafa,anyway Nole will get the FO,i believe hes too good a player not to,for what its worth i think Rafa got lucky to get through Nole this time,Rafa was pushed to the absolute limit,so you should be proud of him hes an amazing player,as you rightly say theres alot of tennis to be played between now and the end of the season,lets just see what unfolds.


WTF Says:

“The slipperier and drier the court the greater benefit to Nadal.”

I’m not really sure how this is so. Does Nadal have better shoes than Novak? Care to explain?


WTF Says:

“By watering the court Novak can get greater footing and Rafa would in theory lose some of the bite and bounce to his groundstrokes.”

He was asking for the back of the court to be watered (beyond the baseline). This has no effect on the bounce of Rafa’s balls, since they will bounce inside the court, not beyond the baseline (that would be an unforced error).

As for greater footing.. in theory wouldn’t Rafa have greater footing himself, nullifying the advantage?


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

WTF when i said equal footing i meant in a metaphorical sense,not in the literal sense,meaning that both players would be happy with the conditions,as in fair to both players.


jane Says:

Forehand, btw, I did find the whole post-match interview transcript from last year’s RG final and Nole did in fact want to play on. At 8:00 pm the rain had stopped so they could’ve played another hour or hour and a half, but that decision was ruled against. He doesn’t say this is an excuse and in fact makes that clear; however, he does also clearly note that he had the momentum at that point and was “ready to continue” but that “they decided to stop”.

Anyhow it is what it is, but since you only quoted just a little snippet of Nole’s interview I was curious and looked for the whole thing. This is the part where he says he was ready to go back and play at 8:00 when the rain stopped:

” Of course we were all communicating in the locker rooms with the ITF and ATP officials and tournament organizers in order to come up with the best decision, and **I was ready to continue on and play last night. I thought around 8:00 the rain stopped, but they decided to stop** because the weather conditions were not good and the court was not in a good condition.
So I was okay with that. You know, **I am not putting a blame on anybody.** No, no, look, you know, I’m not going back and saying, Okay, it’s your fault, your fault, because I lost.
**It’s unfortunate, because I think I was playing better and I was feeling really well on the court.** Today he started off really strong. I started a bit slower. It was a little bit unfortunate in that first game, and things turned around.”


Brando Says:

What a load of nonsense this is! Issue on hand: Novak wanted the court watered? He asked and the decision maker, the umpire, gave a flat ‘NO’. End of! How many times does a court get watered during a set anyhow? NEVER! Why did Novak lose? Because the other was better. Period. He NEVER led the match except 0-2 in the 5th, Rafa outplayed him in virtually all deparments on the day (check the stats), and is just simply better than him on clay. Period. Novak’s whiny, sour, petty fans who cannot accept it- unlike the man himself- need to put up and shut up. Reality is: Rafa won fair and square, and he also won RG 13. Quit whining like sour losers and just move on! Credit to Novak: he gave credit to Rafa as he ought to. He’s a good sportsman, who handle a loss to a great champion. Shame that some of his fans are an absolute sour bunch and cannot swallow the reality of the matter: he got beat when the battle was it’s toughest. As simple as that!


Steve 27 Says:

Brando, great post, the best man won and the rest is crap of his fans to defending the indefensible.
Nadal is an 8 time singles champion, all time record and the first man in the open era winning at least one major 9 years in a row!
He is the best!


Paradox Says:

Skeezer the boozer is a chamelion who acts as a responsible tennis fan,but in reality ,he is just a provoker with total lack of sense and he himself is declaring it with his nonsensical comments.


Humble Rafa Says:

I have won the greatest match ever played on grass and the greatest match ever played on clay.

#GOAThood is earned#


nadalista Says:

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/06/inevitables/47874/#.UbY2rJxRCDc

“This must be one of Djokovic’s toughest defeats, for at least three reasons. He had made Roland Garros his biggest goal for the year. He had been chasing Nadal here since 2006, when he had pronounced him “beatable” after their first match. And he was inspired by the memory of his late coach Jelena Gencic, who passed away during the event. Novak was just a few points from beating Rafa in a fifth set and most likely winning the tournament when…he ran into the net. Still, that net aside, he’s moving in the right direction. Last year he won a set from Nadal at Roland Garros for the first time. This year he won two. Someday he’s going to win three. A-”

The RG obsession continues for Djokovic. RG 2014 will be his biggest goal for the year. He will still be chasing Rafa. Who will provide the inspiration next year?

Agree that someday Djokovic will win RG in three, just won’t be against Rafa.


Michael Says:

They say it happens in Tennis. One bit of imbalance by Novak at a crucial stage and the match is lost. What a tragic collision that was when Novak was placed comfortable for that overhead smash. He tried to do some theatrics there and paid the price. If not for that, today it would have been Novak who would have conquered the King of Clay in his own fort.


Michael Says:

Also just imagine the kind of momentum and fillip a Rolland Garros triumph against Rafa would have given Novak. His career would have zoomed sky high and he would have risen to another level. Moreover the psychological advantage he would have gained over Rafa would have been phenomenal and now all that has been lost by just that one fit of rage when he unnecessarily collided with the net. Novak would never forgive himself for that lapse.


Steve 27 Says:

No Michael, keep dreaming! Rafael will beat Djokovic again and again like to your idol, the swiss in Roland Garros.


jane Says:

Nadalista, why on earth would you post a day’s old “Grade” of the players and make instigatory comments about Nole?

Why or how is Nole’s goal to win Roland Garros an “obsession”? So before Rafa won the USO, and by many accounts even changed his serve motion thus injuring his shoulder after, was he, too, “obsessed”?

What’s wrong with Nole wanting to complete the career slam? I’d call it a “GOAL” not an obsession.

And Nole was the youngest player ever to reach the semis of all the slams; he’s always been an all surface type of player, so it would make sense he have that goal. He’s won ALL of the clay masters already, and ALL of them by beating Rafa: Rome, Madrid and Monte Carlo.

I don’t get why some Rafa fans don’t give Nole a little more respect. He’s a worthy rival of your favourite.


jane Says:

And didn’t Rafa “chase” Federer? I really don’t get this comment either:

“He will still be chasing Rafa. Who will provide the inspiration next year?”

Is that supposed to be some kind of dig at Nole’s first coach DYING? What a low blow. Why wouldn’t her final words to him be an inspiration? And what on earth is wrong with that?

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