French Open Men’s Final Open Thread: Rafael Nadal v David Ferrer
by Staff | June 9th, 2013, 8:09 am
  • 230 Comments

The French Open men’s final will be played this afternoon in Paris. Rafael Nadal returns as the heavy favorite against his good friend and countryman David Ferrer. It’s their 24 meeting and Nadal has won 19 of them.

Ferrer, though, enters his first career Grand Slam final having won all six matches at the tournament in straight sets. Nadal just won a grueling 4-hours, 37-minute marathon over rival Novak Djokovic on Friday.

ITF Notes:

2013 Roland Garros marks the 112th edition of the French Championships and the 83rd tournament since the event became international in 1925. It is also the 181st Grand Slam tournament of the Open Era, the first of which was 1968 Roland Garros, making this the 46th French Open.

Today’s champion receives €1,500,000 in prize money, while the runner-up collects €750,000. In total, the men’s singles prize fund for 2013 Roland Garros is €7,984,000, a 21.8% increase on 2012. The winner is also awarded 2000 ATP ranking points, with the runner-up receiving 1200.

Ferrer is projected to climb in the ATP World Tour Rankings when they are released on Monday 10 June regardless of his result in the final. If he wins the title he will record a career-high ranking of No. 3, if he finishes as runner-up he will climb to No. 4. Nadal will be No. 5 in the rankings regardless of his result in the final.

The last time neither the No. 1 or No. 2 seeds reached the final at a Grand Slam was at 2012 Wimbledon when No. 3 Roger Federer defeated No. 4 Andy Murray. The last time neither the No. 1 or No. 2 seeds reached the final here was in 2005 when No. 4 Nadal defeated the unseeded Mariano Puerta.

Nadal and Ferrer are in 1st and 2nd place for the most wins in 2013.

NO. 3 RAFAEL NADAL (ESP) v NO. 4 DAVID FERRER (ESP)
Head-to-head: Nadal leads 19-4
There have been 3 other all-Spanish finals in Grand Slam history – all of them at Roland Garros. The higher ranked player hasn’t always won – No. 20 Albert Costa defeated No. 11 Juan Carlos Ferrero in the 2002 final here.

All-Spanish Grand Slam finals
1994 Roland Garros: No. 6 Sergio Bruguera d. Alberto Berasategui 63 75 26 61
1998 Roland Garros: No. 12 Carlos Moya d. No. 14 Alex Corretja 63 75 63
2002 Roland Garros: No. 20 Albert Costa d. No. 11 Juan Carlos Ferrero 61 60 46 63

Defending champion NADAL is bidding to become the first man in history to win 8 titles at the same Grand Slam event. He is one of 7 men in history to have won 7 Grand Slam titles at one event. Nadal and Chris Evert are the only players to have won 7 Roland Garros titles.

Nadal will become the leading performer in Roland Garros history if he wins the title here. Nadal currently has a 58-1 win-loss record at Roland Garros, putting him equal 1st on the list for most wins at Roland Garros along with Roger Federer and Guillermo Vilas.

Nadal is bidding to win his 12th Grand Slam title overall. He is currently joint-4th with Bjorn Borg and Rod Laver on the list of all-time Grand Slam men’s singles title holders behind Roger Federer (17), Pete Sampras (14) and Roy Emerson (12).

If Nadal wins today he would become the 2nd-youngest man in history to win 12 Grand Slam titles after Roger Federer. The Spaniard will be 27 years 6 days old on the final day of the tournament.

FERRER is bidding to win a Grand Slam title for the first time in his first major final. He would be the 36th man in the Open Era to win their first Grand Slam title in their maiden final.

Ferrer is bidding to become the 9th different Spanish man to win a Grand Slam title. He is the 11th Spanish man to reach a Grand Slam final in the Open Era.

At 31 years 68 days Ferrer is bidding to become the oldest man to win a Grand Slam title since Andre Agassi (32 years 272 days) at the 2003 Australian Open. The oldest man to win the title here is Andres Gimeno who was 34 years 306 days when he won in 1972.

Ferrer is looking to become the 12th different man aged 30 or over to win a Grand Slam title in the Open Era. The last man to win a Grand Slam title aged over 30 was Roger Federer, who was 30 years 335 days old when he won 2012 Wimbledon.

SUNDAY FRENCH OPEN SCHEDULE
Court Philippe Chatrier 12:00 PM Start Time
1. Women’s Doubles – Final
Sara Errani (ITA)[1] v. Ekaterina Makarova (RUS)[4]
Roberta Vinci (ITA)[1] Elena Vesnina (RUS)[4]
Not Before: 3:00 PM
2. Men’s Singles – Final
Rafael Nadal (ESP)[3] v. David Ferrer (ESP)[4]

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US TELEVISION SCHEDULE
NBC has live coverage starting at 9am ET.


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230 Comments for French Open Men’s Final Open Thread: Rafael Nadal v David Ferrer

Forehand Says:

Go Ferru. Go and get your first GS title at Paris.
Keep in mind that you won your first MS title also in Paris.

Rafa is only 27….let him get his 8th by beating Nole in the finals next year.


Forehand Says:

After so many years of boring one sided blow out finals at RG we have now got competetive finals last year and this year.


nadalista Says:

Vamos Rafa!

Vamos!! Finish this so you can go fishing in Mallorca happy…..


Giles Says:

VAM8S RAFA!!


Giles Says:

Forehand. 8.30 am. ???


Forehand Says:

Vamos Espana.


Forehand Says:

Giles,
I am a Rafa fan. But I have placed a huge bet on Ferru….LOL.


Giles Says:

^^^ Hahaha


Forehand Says:

An all spanish final !
Nice payback for the retarted french fans.


nadalista Says:

I hope you lose mightily @Forehand!!


Giles Says:

Forehand. Why would you want to fill the bookies’ already fat pockets? #MasochismPerhaps?


Forehand Says:

Nadalista and Giles,
LOL.
I just want to make it as a win-win situation for me. If Rafa wins nothing greater than that. But incase Ferru wins I will end up with a consolation money of about 40,000 Euros (equals to about 5 months of my paycheck).


nadalista Says:

Well done Ferru, for getting to your first Slam final!!


Forehand Says:

Since his comeback Rafa lost 1 final….then won 3 finals…..lost 1 final….again won 3 finals….what now ???


nadalista Says:

Well, @Forehand, remember, no IMF bail-out for you!


nadalista Says:

“Since his comeback Rafa lost 1 final….then won 3 finals…..lost 1 final….again won 3 finals….what now ???”

————————————————

He wins again, hahaha!!


the DA Says:

That was the warmest cheer I’ve ever heard for Rafa at RG. Pity it has taken 7 titles to get to this point.


Forehand Says:

Rafa has out smonking with his serves.
I guess he thought no need to go to Halle to practice for Wimbledon. He would have wanted to practice his serves in the RG finals itself.


Ben Pronin Says:

Reruns of Friends are more interesting than this final.


Forehand Says:

The stadium is FULL chearing for .

Where are the fed taards (skeezer aka alex aka simon) who proclaimed that the finals will be played with no spectators ?


Forehand Says:

I hope this final will be much interesting than the r@ping of Single handed BH we witnessed for many years recently.


nadalista Says:

Surprised Rafa’s come out this tentative, does he want to go 5 again?


Forehand Says:

Go Ferru…what a winner.


Ben Pronin Says:

It’s a shame modern “medicine” has produced such a horrible final at a major event. Bad enough these guys play each other often at other tournaments. Nadal = Ferrer * Ferrer. Sports aren’t supposed to be about predictability.


Forehand Says:

Till now Rafa BH seems to be better than his FH.


nadalista Says:

So @Ben Pronin, are you going to spend the whole afternoon complaining or what?


Viz Says:

what are you implying, Ben?


the DA Says:

“It’s a shame modern “medicine” …..”

tsk tsk Trying to be provocative. Are you THAT bored?


Ben Pronin Says:

I have better things to do today. It’s still morning, btw. I’m just gonna take a few digs while I have time. Viz, you know what I’m implying. Why even ask?


Ben Pronin Says:

DA, obviously. It’s a Ferrer-Nadal final! It doesn’t get more boring than this.


Daniel Says:

Nadal seems a little mentally and physically tired to me, eve so leading


nadalista Says:

Enjoy being bored, @Ben Pronin! Bye bye………..


Daniel Says:

Second DF and he was break last game when he DF also. I started watching at 3-2 Ferrer thinking, humm so far close. Than Nadal runs with first set 6-3. Bye guys and congrats Nadal for his snowman and first man to win majors in 9 consecutive years.


nadalista Says:

1st set Rafa!

Agree Daniel, he looks a little flat. Hoping Ferru is equally overwhelmed……..


nadalista Says:

1st set dropped by Ferru this tourny………


Forehand Says:

The stadium is FULLY packed to witness HI8T8RY being made.
Vamos !!!


nadalista Says:

@Forehand, is there a prize for guessing???


Sirius Says:

“We have now got competitive finals last year and this year”

last year, ok. This year?! LOL. Exaggaration needs to stay in limit


nadalista Says:

Rafa’s smoking those forehand DTL’s now. Exquisite!


nadalista Says:

RT @christophclarey: “Someone upstairs must have agreed with Djokovic. They are definitely watering the court during the sets today #RG13″


Forehand Says:

“last year, ok. This year?! LOL. Exaggaration needs to stay in limit”
Compared to the other years this is better. LOL


Forehand Says:

Nadalista,
ROTFL.
You cannot find him anymore. He has gone back to his sh!t.


the DA Says:

Actually that last game was pretty phenomenal.


Alex Says:

^
Like you when Nadal loses. Go back to your cave kid.


nadalista Says:

@Forehand, he must be the one protesting in the stands!

Loser………


nadalista Says:

Shocking stuff going on there………..


the DA Says:

Can’t believe what just happened. Someone really wants to rattle Nadal.


Forehand Says:

Ferru has managed 4 games by the beginning of the second set. This is what the sheep managed to win the entire match in 2008.

This match is definitely competetive… relatively speaking.


the DA Says:

And it kind of works. DF and Ferrer gets a break back. What is wrong with RG security? First that guy who hugged Federer and now some lunatic with a live flare!!


nadalista Says:

The match rhythm has been totally spoiled, both players tense.Rafa drops his game, Ferru drops his game, set Rafa…………


nadalista Says:

2-0 Rafa, 3rd set


Alex Says:

Should of stuck the flare up Nadals A**, that way he would think twice about picking it in public.

Rafanatics gonna go nuts over this Joke, hahaha, mission accomplished.


the DA Says:

Here’s a pic of the moron with the flare:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMU3jKUCYAA3FCz.jpg


nadalista Says:

2 very loose games by Rafa……..


queen Says:

Alex fu!


the DA Says:

Apparently the moron with the flare was a protestor against gay marriage. Quelle loser.


nadalista Says:

Focus Rafa, focus………..


nadalista Says:

1 game away………..


Forehand Says:

Ferrer has won 8 games in this match compared to 4 by the sheep in 2008 finals.


nadalista Says:

8


JF Says:

Number 8. Well done. Poor ferrer. So close yet so far


the DA Says:

Nadal becomes the first man to win same major 8 times. Huge props!


nadalista Says:

RT @ATPWorldTour: “.@RafaelNadal becomes 1st man to win same major 8 times after beating @DavidFerrer87 63 62 63 at @rolandgarros. “


the DA Says:

hehe…

@pseudofed: “Personally I have always preferred the number 7 over the number 8″


nadalista Says:

RT @juanjo_sports: “To think this insane, ridiculous comeback started with a clay final loss to Horacio Zeballos. Man, what an accomplishment by Rafael Nadal.”


JF Says:

Now there should be flares lol


Viz Says:

8 times! What an achievement.


nadalista Says:

12 Slams, overtakes Borg, Laver……….2 behind Sampras


nadalista Says:

Only man to win a Slam 8 years in a row………


nadalista Says:

RT @NeilHarmanTimes: “I am wondering if I have ever known, or seen a better athlete. Rafael Nadal Vamos”


Giles Says:

VAM8S KING!
HIST8RY!
EIGHT is a good number, no?
NINE is also a good number, no
Incredible Rafa! 7 months out with injury. This is the greatest comeback in tennis history!
Vamos King!
Congrats to all Rafans. A great great day for us!
Congrats to Ferru for reaching the final.
K I N G. N A D A L!!


Giles Says:

Did Borg say Rafa is an artist on clay?


rafaeli Says:

Federer ha less Race points than Rafa’s lead over Djokovic.


nadalista Says:

Oops UE on my part: Rafa only man to win a Slam 9 years in a row, not 8.


Giles Says:

Usain Bolt the pleasure is all yours!


JF Says:

I think Nadal will end up with 10 french open titles


Brando Says:

David Ferrer: Well done Daveed for reaching the final- a great achievement for him. Great player, great career and above all else: a great guy. A gem of a sportsman for sure!


Giles Says:

Where is skeezer the geezer. He said he would have lots of “goodies” to post about Rafa. Come out of your hole geezer!


the DA Says:

And strange as it seems, by winning Rafa drops to No. 5. Hope all this tennis during the comeback doesn’t affect the rest of his season. He looks drained.


Giles Says:

Rafa tearing up. Aww


Brando Says:

Rafael Nadal: VAM8S RAFA!!! Super delighted for the champ- a well deserved win after all the time out! Vamos!:-)


Giles Says:

Rafa will now have 2 weeks of tlc. No worries!


JF Says:

What a site. Viva ESPANA!


Giles Says:

I just can’t believe this incredible feat by Rafa. Need several stiff drinks. Lol


courbon Says:

Hey Brando, happy moment?It should be, your guy deserved.He has been the best player last 3-4 months and true champion.Very glad he won ( unfortunately it was quite obvious and final was not a real final.Friday was…)so lets see what our favs will show us at Wimby.
Once more, congratulations!


Kimberly Says:

COngrats to Rafa and all his fans (including myself) clearly Friday was the real final but you never know. David had played very strong.


James Says:

Rafael!! Slam no.12, 3rd on all time Slam winners. Just 2 behind Pete.
Daveed fought well. One sided but not at all as bad as 2008 Nadal-Federer final.
Good luck for Wimbledon, champ! Another grass Slam would be very good.


nadalista Says:

Rafa is #1 in the Race, #5 in the rankings…

#TooFunny


nadalista Says:

PhenomeNadal.


Brando Says:

@Courbon: Thanks!:-) just super glad Rafa won, especially after his long lay off. A truly great achievement. You are right: Friday was a final of sorts. But let’s credit Daveed: he’s a great fighter, and I am honestly happy for him also to have reached a slam final and especially a RG final. Thanks for your kind words though, much appreciated. :-) Re Wimby: just want to enjoy today after 7 months of no Rafa. It’s still a while off but right now TBH, I think Fed and especially Andy are the favs there. I pick Andy to win right now: fresh, rested, highly talented on grass, slam winner, home support looks good to me. But today is all about Rafa: Vamos Champ!:-)


marrisv Says:

Congrats to rafa and fans!!!!!!!! Commiserations to Daveed , the guy always give his all…
Great to see rafa come back so strong after the 7 month layoff…

On to Wimbledon!!!


Viz Says:

It would have been a more satisfying end to the tournament if today’s and Friday’s matches had swapped days, but overall I’m not complaining. I hope for Ferrer’s sake he manages to reach at least one more final before he’s done.


nadalista Says:

20 Losses to Rafa Club:

RT @SteveTignor: “In the last month, Nadal has beaten Federer, Djokovic, and now Ferrer for the 20th time each. #rg13″

#NoJacketRequired


nadalista Says:

This one is special.


Andrea Says:

Great achievement by Nadal


jane Says:

Straight sets with at least one lopsided set was what I said; I was right. Too bad Ferru couldn’t make it more competitive.

Congrats to Rafa, Enjoy the win Kimberly!


nadalista Says:

He ain’t going nowhere……….

Wimby next.


nadalista Says:

Phew…..


Aon Says:

rafa u r truly a champ.


Aon Says:

good luck for grass season. champ


RZ Says:

Kinda off-topic, but I’ve noticed that for the women’s finals, the trophy is almost always presented by a former women’s champion (this year it was Sanchez-Vicario; have seen Seles, Pierce, and Evert in the last few years). But the men’s trophy is almost always presented by an international sports star (this year Usain Bolt; have seen Zinedine Zidane and Pele also give the trophy). Why not a former men’s champion? Carlos Moya was on site today. Borg has been on site in the past, as has Ivan Lendl.


Pitchaboy Says:

Rafa’s season is done. For the last three years he has looked unbeatable between March and May. Beyond that is a different story.


Giles Says:

^^^ I think Rafa.might have something to say about that! WishfulThinking


Giles Says:

RAFAEL NADAL HIST8RY MAN!
VAMOS CHAMP!
GOOD LUCK IN WIMBLEDON CHAMP!


Pitchaboy Says:

Show me one accomplishment post FO since 2010


youyong Says:

I think Rafa had a great return so far. Anything from now would be a bonus!


Pitchaboy Says:

Grass court and hard court usually brings injury and lame excuses. Blatant truth:
2004-2007: RF era
2008: Transition
2009-2010: Nadal era
2011- now: Novak
FO has helped keep Nadal relevant


nadalista Says:

Rafa becomes the first man to qualify for the year end Championships in London…


Pitchaboy Says:

Wimbledon will be a Murray v Djoker fight out, the former is the slight favorite.


James Says:

“Show me one accomplishment post FO since 2010″

Rafa wins his 8th French Open, Slam #12, and you have that to say. Shows your class.


Pitchaboy Says:

Year end for Rafa: always qualified, never won.


queen Says:

long live King Nadal!!


Alex Says:

@Pitchaboy

True but he has reached some finals, closely losing, maybe with a bit of luck he wins next time.


nadalista Says:

@Pitchaboy, you have plenty of days ahead to skewer Rafa to your heart’s content. Today, on this day, you just sound like a sour-puss munching lots of sour grapes…………sad.

Take a deep breath bro…….


Pitchaboy Says:

As I said, FO keeps him relevant. It has nothing to do with class of anyone, it is the truth. He is MIA after FO since 2011. One of the greatest no doubt, but facts are facts.


nadalista Says:

Well, how about saving your facts for tomorrow? That too difficult for you?


Pitchaboy Says:

I have no favorites but I have noted disrespect for RF and Novak by Rafa fans. Hard when the shoe is on the other foot, I want them to realize. RF, Nadal and Novak, three great guys.


James Says:

Pitchaboy, I know you are disappointed Rafa hasn’t won 7 Wimbledons, 4 US Opens, 4 AOs apart from his 8 FOs. You know what? He isn’t perfect. But he’s gonna win more non clay Slams for sure. Hope that makes you happy ;-)


Alex Says:

I’m a Fed fan, Nadal fans sure have a hell of a lot more to cheer about lol. Its only logical he will reach a few non-clay finals, If not Wimby and US, I think AO, next time could be his day. The losing and winning margins were similar at the AO final and FO IMO, so its very possible he could defeat Djokovic if they face of again at AO, the way I see it.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Lets just wait and see,nobody knows whats going to happen,lets just enjoy the ride,we will have Andy and Delpo back for the GC season,exciting times ahead.


Alex Says:

Hahahaha^

Nice, good to see some Rafanatics took that one to heart. Ill say it again, mission accomplished.


simba Says:

@Pitchaboy, Fact is fact. This is the FACT: 10-20.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Pitchaboy im a Rafa fan,but i also like,admire,enjoy,watching both Novak and Roger,for what its worth,so lets not tar all Rafa fans with the same brush,sorry just saying,its only supposed to be a game not a war.


Pitchaboy Says:

Indeed, 10-20 is a fact as the fact that on hard courts and grass Rafa will not even be the second best of his generation. It is RF, Novak and then Murray or Rafa depending on what Murray does in the next couple of years or so.


tennisfansince76 Says:

i am slowly coming to the realization that Nadal is hard to beat on clay.


simba Says:

I want RF to be in Nadal’s quarter in Wimbledon; Nadal will kick his sorry ass before the Final.


simba Says:

@Pitchaboy, Let’s break down that 10-20.
Clay 13-2. Nadal humiliated Federer time and time again.

HC 6-6. It is dead even. Hardly the dominant HC record the Federer can stake claim to.

Grass 1-2. Too small a sample size. If they plays again in Wimbledon, it will be dead even. In the greatest match of the century, It is Roger that came out on the losing side.


Giles Says:

Troll away you trolls. Nothing you say is going to spoil the sheer and utter delight of all Rafans today!
8 FO TITLES!
First man to win 9 GS’s in consecutive years.
Troll away. Water off a duck’s back. Hahaha
Vamos King!!


Pitchaboy Says:

Kicking Federer when he is getting ready to collect Social Security is no comfort. If you look at tennis dispassionately:
Aus Open: Perhaps Novak is the best to play on that surface. RF 2006 will give him a big fight but Novak 2011 wins in 5
FO: Nadal with Borg a distant second
Wimbledon: Sampras or RF; take your pick. Perhaps Sampras at his peak beats RF 2006 in 5 sets.
USO: RF 2006.


Alex Says:

Ahhh so sorry!

17 Slams and still maintaining his quarterfinal streak at 31!

Eat that for breakfast, lol.


Carl Says:

Pitchaboy Says:
“Show me one accomplishment post FO since 2010″

Nothing much. Just a matter or 5 slams covering all three surfaces.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Hmm correct me if im wrong but i thought Rafa had won Wimbledon twice,and had been in 5 finals in all,where as Novak had only been in one final,and only won one final,and Andy had been in only been in one Wimbledon final,but never won it,so of all the active players theres only RF whos been in and won more Wimbledon titles,so surely that makes Rafa overall a better GC player than both Novak or Andy,just saying or maybe im missing something.


Pitchaboy Says:

Simba, I have no dog in this fight like you do. Nadal in 2009 and 2010 was a beast, no question. But since 2011 he has not sustained that level on hard courts or grass courts. If he wins Wimbledon or US Open, I will salute you. If I wanted somebody to play for my life, it will be Nadal 2009/10.


nadalista Says:

Congratulations Rafans! Boy done good.


Pitchaboy Says:

If you think of Wimbledon,the two names that come to you are Sampras and RF. Ditto, USO. Aus Open and it is Novak and RF. FO, it is Nadal and then Borg. Those are the facts. Overall, in the last thirty years and it is RF, Sampras, Nadal and Borg. We can all argue what the exact lineup is, but these are the guys. Novak may yet make it depending on how he does the next few years.


nadalista Says:

Saying it with numbers:

Rafa:

Wins:

- 164 wins at Majors – Surpassed Becker for 8th place in the all-time list. Next up is McEnroe with 167 wins.

- 626 career match wins – Surpassed Muster for 15th place in the all-time list. Next up is Smith with 636 wins.

- 626 career match wins – One of only 2 active players to have at least 600 career wins. Federer leads the active list.

- 570 Outdoor wins – Surpassed Orantes for 6th place in the all-time list. Next up in the list is Federer with 670 wins (dynamic target) and Agassi with 702 wins.

- Against Top 10 Players – 5th in the all-time list with 109 wins. Next up is Lendl with 119 wins.

- Against Top 10 Players – Leads all active players with a 67.7% winning percentage. He is 2nd behind Borg in the all-time list.

- Against World number 1 players – Only active player to have beaten 2 world number 1 players 20 times each (Federer and Djokovic).

- Against Top 5 players – Only active player to have beaten 3 Top 5 players 20 times each (Federer, Djokovic and Ferrer).


Pitchaboy Says:

It is sometimes nice to look at it from a distance. Tennis transitioned from a game of touch, serve, volley and speed to one of endurance and power. Rafa and Novak are the leading proponents of the new game. Borg and Sampras were the big guys in the old game. The transition champion was RF. he started off with serve, volley and speed and then changed to power and fitness. As expected, the younger generation have overtaken him. Inevitably, in about three years a new generation will take over the game. Equipment and courts have dictated and mandated this change.


Giles Says:

http://alturl.com/vhrqp
May you bite a few more.
Vamos King!


Aon Says:

u win, now plz take some water and rest b’coz u r so tired while writing these lengthy post


Aon Says:

wat a pic, trophy biting.


WTF Says:

“Nadal currently has a 58-1 win-loss record at Roland Garros, putting him equal 1st on the list for most wins at Roland Garros along with Roger Federer”

Federer and Nadal equal on wins… but what a massive difference there is in titles.

I’m sure Roger would like to relocate some of those early round wins to wins in finals. He has one title to show for those 58 wins, compared to Nadal’s 8. So near yet so far.


skeezer Says:

“Simba says

@Pitchaboy, Let’s break down that 10-20.
Clay 13-2. Nadal humiliated Federer time and time again.”

Rafa has humilated every player on Clay. So? He owns it, no doubt about it!!

“HC 6-6. It is dead even. Hardly the dominant HC record the Federer can stake claim to.”

Yes that H2H is correct. But Rafa has 1 USO, Fed has 5
Rafa has 1 AO, Fed has 5.

To summarize, on HC Fed has NINE Slams on HC, Rafa has 2.

Dead even? The only dead even that counts is how many Slams you have won. You don’t win trophys by beating a rival unless you happen to meet them in the final. Apparently, Rafa couldn’t make it to the 9 Slams Fed won. Why?

“Grass 1-2. Too small a sample size. If they plays again in Wimbledon, it will be dead even. In the greatest match of the century, It is Roger that came out on the losing side.”

Ok. Lets take look at Grass. Rafa has 2, Fed has SEVEN. I believe the sample size here is quite clear. Rafa didn’t win the tournament Fed was in when he won 7. Why?

The fuzzy math by Rafafantics. Heres how it works

(H2H + post Clay wins ) / Rafafanatics = no one else is greater in Tennis.


James Says:

FYI Nadal is now 59-1 at Roland Garros, more wins than any other.


contador Says:

Pitchaboy,

Whoever you are, nice to read you today. Have not seen that name before but you are an oasis in my desert of disappointment writing words as you do. Three years you say? What is three years to wait for change of the tennis guard while I sit here with damp squib on either side and a wet blanket over my misery, I was preparing to wait a decade more.

Why do you think in three years? Will tennis players just keep getting taller? Will they raise the nets higher? Will tennis go the way of boxing and have weight category’s and perhaps height category’s? The David Goffin’s want to know. Jerzy Janowitch’s mixed in with Dolly Dolgo just doesn’t work does it? thanks.


Alex Says:

Lmao, great post and nice little formula there, taking the study of the delusional to a new level!


contador Says:

What is the matter with my post, Alex?

Not every body is having a wonderful day. :(

signed,

sore loser brigade.


contador Says:

Ah, maybe you were commenting on Skeezers formula? nevermind, Alex. no worries.


Giles Says:

Hey skeezer the geezer. Who had the headstart, fed or Rafa?
20-10!


James Says:

@juanjo_sports Rafael Nadal has only 45 pts to defend for the rest of 2013. How many pts does Djokovic still have to defend? 6530. A difference of 6485 pts

Does Rafa really have a serious shot at year #1 ranking?


James Says:

@juanjo_sports In tournament terms, Nadal is defending Wimby 2nd R. Djokovic? Wimby SF, USO F, 2 M1000 Ws, 1 M1000 F, 1 ATP 500, unbeaten title run at WTF.


contador Says:

Who is juanjo? Is that Rafa’s best friend forever, Juan Monaco? or a different juanjo?

2012 was a relatively low bar set for Novak compared to 2011. It he goes after it, I can see him matching or besting his Wimbledon 2012 and winning the US Open.

If he wants to keep the number one bad enough, he will keep it by winning. HC season is his friend.

If Nole


James Says:

“Who is juanjo?”

A Sports journalist.

“Is that Rafa’s best friend
forever, Juan Monaco?”

Really, you wanna get there? Didn’t think you were one of those posters, contador.


contador Says:

I have no idea what you mean by one of “those” posters.

The question is just that. I know they are friends. sheesh.


James Says:

contador, ok my bad. But I really hope Rafa regains his #1 ranking if he has a real shot at it by the end of this year.


contador Says:

you don’t see any smiley faces or lols in my post = it was not teasing or provoking. it was a sincere question.

Rafa will be number one if he has a better HC season and wins Wimbledon. But how much does he want #1. Sometimes I wonder.


Giles Says:

Come on guys don’t be sore losers, be happy for Rafa and his fans even if it’s killing you!
#Vam8sKing!


contador Says:

Federer had the right personality and attitude to carry #1, whether one liked him as that or not. He was good at #1 – it was not too much of a pain or burden for him. Djokovic has carried it with confidence as well but something bothers me about it and I don’t know what.

Rafa? I do not follow him like you, clearly, James. But he does not seem to prioritize #1 like his fans might want. He can’t really, he has to pace himself in the last half of the season, if he wants to have maintain control of Clay Court season. Perhaps he will go for it again and take it easier during clay season – that would be more interesting imo, but not an expert on Nadal here.


madmax Says:

Giles, I don’t know who you think you are, trying to rile up federer fans all the time, you are pretty pathetic on that score.

Rafa was brilliant today. A truly awesome player. One of the greats and the best ever on clay. I honestly dont think that anyone will ever beat him on Clay.

That doesn’t mean that you have to go on about Federer’s achievements being any less, yet you glorify in it.

You seriously let yourself down. Try to be a little bit more mature about these things, if you can instead of looking for a dogfight at every opportunity.


madmax Says:

skeezer Says:
“Simba says

@Pitchaboy, Let’s break down that 10-20.
Clay 13-2. Nadal humiliated Federer time and time again.”

Rafa has humilated every player on Clay. So? He owns it, no doubt about it!!

“HC 6-6. It is dead even. Hardly the dominant HC record the Federer can stake claim to.”

Yes that H2H is correct. But Rafa has 1 USO, Fed has 5
Rafa has 1 AO, Fed has 5.

To summarize, on HC Fed has NINE Slams on HC, Rafa has 2.

Dead even? The only dead even that counts is how many Slams you have won. You don’t win trophys by beating a rival unless you happen to meet them in the final. Apparently, Rafa couldn’t make it to the 9 Slams Fed won. Why?

“Grass 1-2. Too small a sample size. If they plays again in Wimbledon, it will be dead even. In the greatest match of the century, It is Roger that came out on the losing side.”

Ok. Lets take look at Grass. Rafa has 2, Fed has SEVEN. I believe the sample size here is quite clear. Rafa didn’t win the tournament Fed was in when he won 7. Why?

The fuzzy math by Rafafantics. Heres how it works

(H2H + post Clay wins ) / Rafafanatics = no one else is greater in Tennis.

June 9th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

Skeeze,
your post here was fair and factual. Problem is any win by Rafa (on clay) by his fans, seems to stick a rocket up their backsides. They feel somehow they need to justify another slam win.

Of course, it is an amazing achievement. If they feel they have to demean Federer’s achievements in the process, it tells you that they are only sore that Rafa hasn’t achieved what Fed has, but also that this is a verbal battle that neither you (don’t waste more energy), nor them can win.

The numbers speak for themselves Skeeze. We all know that.


Giles Says:

Hey madmax. “rile up Federer fans all the time”. Hmmm. You mean like Federer fans rile up Rafa fans?
One good turn deserves another. #FairAndSquare


madmax Says:

and of course, let’s hope that Rafa can go on to achieve SIX indoor year end finals, which, as yet, still remains outstanding on his cv. Of course, Fed has been there, done that.

I think that it was a very wise move for Rafa to take off 7 months to recuperate. But I think also his main ambition/target was to win RG and play every damn clay court tournament there was in order to prepare for RG. It paid off.

His tenaciousness in this regard, can only be applauded. Genius.


James Says:

“Rafa? I do not follow him like you, clearly, James. But he does not seem to prioritize #1 like his fans might want.”

He does. He fought for it and got it. Then lost it to Nole. He fought for it again but his knee let him down. But now he’s back and been the best player of the year so far with 7 titles, including FO, Indian Wells, Madrid and Rome. Great achievement today with Slam no.12
I hope his hunger for success remains for the rest of the year and beyond. Wimby next!


madmax Says:

Giles Says:
Hey madmax. “rile up Federer fans all the time”. Hmmm. You mean like Federer fans rile up Rafa fans?
One good turn deserves another. #FairAndSquare

June 9th, 2013 at 4:33 pm

Giles. How old are you?

Be a little bit more discerning with Federer fans. If you are referring to Skeezer, He is stating the facts as far as I can see.

You need to grow up a little. You show yourself up on many occasions. No need, but then I guess this type of conversation pleases small minds.


contador Says:

hello Madmax, nice to see you.

It just seems like the conservative and easiest way for Rafa to accumulate GS numbers, if that is the goal, is to not try to push water uphill by trying to win HC season. His best surface is clay so it is just common sense to aim for that. But maybe he is on an every other year plan. To my mind that would be way more valuable: collect another Wimby, US open, and an AO instead of three more RG’s. But if passing Sampras and Federer is a goal then it is a role of the dice to go the hard court route – competition there is tougher.


Giles Says:

Thank goodness “Noah” didn’t have the honour of doing the trophy presentations as was originally rumoured.


James Says:

Giles, Noah couldn’t have looked Rafa and Daveed into their eyes after all those stupid a*s claims he made about Spanish athletes.


James Says:

contador, it was only last year that Rafa missed the HC season due to you know the left knee. He won the AO in 2009, USO in 2010, was also finalist in AO 2012 and USO 2011. He just isn’t as big a force on the HCs as he is on the red dirt.


contador Says:

Well, your guy has issues going into the end of the season if he goes all out at Wimby and on hc. He won US open, sure but he was no good for WTF in 2010 – not good enough to beat Feds indoors anyway.

Maybe he should shoot for it. As I said, I think it would be more interesting for his title collection but the easier way is to pace himself and clean up during clay season; that formula works well for him – the competition is useless against him on clay.


James Says:

“He won US open, sure but he was no good for WTF in 2010 – not good enough to beat Feds indoors anyway.”

Sure, but was still good enough to beat your guy indoors.
Look, Rafa isn’t going to dominate the HCs like he does clay. If he did, he’d easily be the greatest of all time. He isn’t. And that’s fine with me. Rafa prefers to be in the moment and not think too far ahead. It’d be very arrogant of him to think of winning every Slam, no?


James Says:

and yes you’re right, it would be nicer to have more non clay titles.


Giles Says:

http://alturl.com/aphd5
Rafa wants to be left alone.


contador Says:

Pitchaboy predicts a new generation changover in 3 years. I was curious to know if he has anyone particular in mind. I am interested and follow the juniors – boys and girls. There are a few very tall ones – giants – like Jerzy. Nothing against Jerzy, he’s incredible and frightening! And more like him just keep coming.

If Pitchaboy is right, who knows. I doubt Rafa will win all four GS for the next 3 years. 3 or 4 more is realistic and I hope they are not all RG titles; would love to see someone else win the clay slam. Sorry if this collides with your hopes but there it is. ;) nothing personal/ it is just tennis.


Giles Says:

I hope Rafa wins Wimbledon.


contador Says:

lol, you are kidding Giles, really? You want Rafa to win Wimbles again, that’s a shocker ;) *teasing*
James or Gilou
on a serious note when did Rafa beat Feds at the end of the season – Asian swing or something? I don’t remember and I am too lazy to gaze on the h2h. How many times from Sept. after the US Open until end of season has Rafa won over Fed? not at all being flip; I don’t recall atm.


contador Says:

have to say this at least once a year: I wish tennis-x had emoticons and an ability to post an avatar. such things help convey a message with mood and soul over the internet. :D


Pitchaboy Says:

Time catches up with all of us. Rafa is past his peak(2010) and has another FO or two to go. RF will need a miracle to get another slam. Novak and Murray will likely share the spoils over the next three years or so. In that time one of the young guns will mature and take over. In 2006 it looked like RF would win for ever and end up with 25. In 2010 Rafa looked unstoppable. Old man Time gets all if them. You lose a step and a little power and all if a sudden you are merely mortal


Pitchaboy Says:

I think when u are a fan of someone you see the tree and miss the forest. The inside baseball numbers will be mere footnotes in history. What will endure to judge your place in history of tennis are two questions: how many slams did you win and how long did you dominate your era as No. 1. At this time two people reign supreme: RF and Sampras in that order. No wonder Federer chased the record of weeks as No 1 last year. Who the hell remembers the head to head of Kaver and Rosewall?


Pitchaboy Says:

Laver and Rosewall


SG1 Says:

I actually think head to head records are highly relevant. Emerson had 12 slams, Laver 11. I believe that Laver owned Emerson. The slam numbers alone don’t necessarily define who is better.

Fed has 17 majors. That’s a really big number. The fact that he is ahead in most of his rivalries is important. I do believe that if Rafa ends up within one or two majors, I give him the nod as the greater player. Nadal has a better H2H record against ALLLL his rivals. That really says something. And when Fed began to dominate there was a two or three year period where the competition was a little weak. Hence is 7-0 start in Slam finals. When Rafa began to make his move, Federer was in his way at every turn. Rafa found a way to beat Roger not just in Paris but at Wimbledon as well. Greatness personified. To be the man, ya’ gotta’ beat the man.


contador Says:

I so disagree that H2H is highly relevant in tennis; unless you are talking about way more than one h2h vs one, even one dominant player. As we see, Feds h2h vs Rafa did not stop Fed from accumulating the most GS wins. If h2h was that relevant it would show more in Federer;s numbers and records, say for holding number one as well and others.

But I walk away from GOAT debates; and never looked at Sampras as an all courter because he had no Clay GS title. And being an all court player was a requisite – I need them to show me a variety of Goatliness, not singular expertise to grass or hc or in mainly one season.

It is doubtful that any US born tennis fan would agree with me about Sampras, but the criteria for GOAT in tennis can be quite subjective. Number of GS does not really cut it for me in itself and I am a Federer fan. Federer is the best tennis player in so many ways imo that make him Goat other than number of GS. Leave it to a woman, eh? :D Federer fits all my criteria and then some.


skeezer Says:

sg1 post,

what a bunch of crock! lol.

#rafanaticreasoning


Pitchaboy Says:

One could argue that Nadal has had a particularly weak bunch of clay-courters and made out like a bandit. I don’t believe in that argument. RF made his opponents look weak in his prime just as Rafa makes everyone look weak on clay. Federer was the transition champ. But his game depended on speed and precision of timing, two reasons he stubbornly held on to his racquet and refused to go with the large frame racquets with a broad sweet spot. And, of course, the one handed backhand. In his prime, it helped him generate unbelievable angles. When he lost a step, it became a liability against the power and spin the new equipment generates.


contador Says:

There are a couple major flaws in Rafa’s h2h dominance if you look closely at those records.

Time has worked in favor of Nadal until he starts the slippery slope downhill on his favorite surface. Then what to do? Djokovic has done good work on his h2h vs Nadal. Give Nole time. H2h is a flimsy meter to gauge one’s greatness – there is a reason it is not remembered like other records.


contador Says:

If Rafa was more well rounded – had a more balanced collection of titles on all surfaces he would be the undisputed Goat – Thinking if he was as dominant on grass, hc, indoors as clay – hands down, no argument. Ah, there would still be the subjective elements, for me, anyway…the best tennis in the world and ever would not be the tennis I prefered to watch – personal preference of the fans does play a role.


Pitchaboy Says:

If Rafa pulls out a few non clay slams, history will be on his side. Possible but not probable.


Pitchaboy Says:

I have watched these guys at USO and Wimbledon. In my estimate:
Best net play: John McEnroe and Edberg
Best serve and volley: Sampras
Street fighter supreme: Nadal
Poetry in motion: Federer


James Says:

Fellow Rafa fans,

Rafa Nadal is NOT the best of all time! No, not yet! Roger is the GOAT.
Sure, our boy Nadal dominates their rivalry but the Swiss guy has 17 Grand Slams to Rafa’s 12. When Rafa wins 2-3 more non clay Slams and get his Slam tally to 15 or more, the so called tennis ‘greats’ and ‘experts’ would be the first to annoint Nadal the GOAT. Now, can Rafa win 2-3 non clay Slams? He can. Will he? We don’t know. Neither does he.
Maybe after 3-4 years we’ll know where his rightful place is in the history of tennis. As of now, Roger is the GOAT.
And yes it’s a great thing that Rafa has a superior H2H record against the best players of his time.


James Says:

“Street fighter supreme: Nadal”

:D true


Pitchaboy Says:

James: exactly.


Pitchaboy Says:

In my mind, Rafa is one of the five greatest. His exact position will be known when he hangs up his racquet.


contador Says:

Dear James,

You don’t have to call Federer the GOAT. Rafa can be your GOAT right now : ) No doubt he is! He has won a GS title on every surface, he dominates Roger Federer in h2h and time is not on Feds side vs Nadal.

Rafa could walk away from tennis right now and still be a legend and one of the greatest ever. I have to say that he is one of the greats though I do not enjoy watching him. His achievements demand respect and greatness.

There is some question of weak eras. Did Federer play in a weak era? Is Nadal so great on clay because of a weak clay era? I have argued both for and against weak eras. If one is honest, I think you have to say that there is no way to control for who you earned your titles and records against. Give Federer and Nadal their due. They dominated.


contador Says:

lol, James

Go back and check that h2h again. I cannot find the win you claim Rafa has had over federer on indoor hc. let me know.

Greatest street fighter – between Nole and Rafa – yet to be determined…


James Says:

“I cannot find the win you claim Rafa has had over federer on indoor hc.”

And when did I make that claim of Rafa beating Roger on indoor hc? I may be biased towards Rafa but I don’t claims I can’t back up with facts. I said that Rafa has a superior H2H vs the best players of his time! FACT! Nadal 20-15 Djokovic, Nadal 20-10 Federer, Nadal 13-5 Murray.

Contador, whether you prefer Rafa’s style or not, he’s whooped your fav guys.

Also I’ve said it many times on here that Roger is the GOAT (my 2nd fav player). I’m always rooting for him when he’s up against players other than Nadal. And last time they played in Rome, I cheered for Roger against Rafa! They are my two fav players. I don’t find Djokovic as interesting. I find Murray’s game boring.


Kimberly Says:

Is Dubai indoor hc? I think he beat him there in 06 or.07


skeezer Says:

^Since when did Tennis become a H2H scenario to determine who is greater than who in Tennis?

It sounds like you types never understood how the Tennis Game works. Wait, you truly don’t.

I mean, really, take a class. The “Clan” constantly ( and ignorantly ) bringing up math in tennis that does not compute on determining accomplishments, achievements, and records.

The object of the game:

To win a tournament.

Oh NO no no for Rafafantics; being great means only you have winning records against various players. ROFL. Where’s Davy when you need him? Or Rosol?

#rafafanticdelusionalmath
#rafafanticmath2+1=1
#doh!
#needatennislesson?


skeezer Says:

^that was for James.

___

Kimberly, aren’ you watching the Heat? :)


skeezer Says:

Dubai is outdoor FYI


jane Says:

Dubai is outdoor.


James Says:

Kimberly, Rafa-Roger H2H goes:

Rafa 13-2 Roger on clay
Roger 2-1 Rafa on grass
Roger 4-0 Rafa on indoor hc
Rafa 6-2 Roger on outdoor hc

correct me if I’m wrong.


James Says:

@skeezer, read my earlier posts.


Kimberly Says:

Christian is there! I am home with three kids, two of my own and the son of the buddy he went with. Hosted two children’s birthday parties this weekend.
#letsgoheat
#rafa8

I have never liked Having home court in the 2-3-2 scenario. I liked it last year when we didn’t have home court.


skeezer Says:

@James,

Uh? Read MY earlier post @ 2:39.


contador Says:

James says to contador @ 5:07 pm June, 9
“Sure, but was still good enough to beat your guy indoors.”

just setting the record straight. No indoor wins vs Federer. Those indoor hc tournaments are in the fall and Rafa is not really strong in the tail end of the season – no wins on indoor hc. Roger whips Rafa at the tour finals – consistently.

Rafa is a winter – spring – summer – 3/4 or the season maximum for him. the last part – not so good. In fact he tends to skip a lot by then = why he moans a lot about the season needing to be shortened and his ranking protected for 2 years, ect.

And if you do more than just look at the h2h, you see that most Rafa’s wins are on clay, which is both good and bad. Good because he dominates that surface but bad because he is lopsided – not so good in Summer hard court us open series.

But if Rafa only had to play Federer… the match-up favors Rafa. my point is that there is a whole lot more than the h2h in tennis to go on. sheesh…i am done. I hate these discussions – been over this ground with too many times. Pretty soon I will automatically launch into weak eras and goat…lord.


James Says:

@skeezer, I’ve read your posts which is why I don’t bother discussing tennis with you.

I like Rafa but give credit where its due. Rosol beat Rafa last Wimbledon because he played better and deserved the win. He outplayed Rafa esp in the 5th set. Rosol or anyone who outplays Rafa or any other player, they deserve their win.
But you wouldn’t understand, all your posts suggest you can’t see beyond a fading old tennis player from Basel.

#insecurefedfan
#Troll


James Says:

“Sure, but was still good enough to beat your guy indoors.”

well, I’d said that in response to you telling me that he lost that year on indoors to Federer.

And I agreed, he did. But he was still good enough to beat Nole in the tournament (I pressumed you were Nole’s fan).


James Says:

@contador, sorry if I sounded harsh. My bad, I misunderstood. I thought you were a Nole fan hence “your guy”.


James Says:

“But if Rafa only had to play Federer… the match-up favors Rafa.”
I know that’s what everyone thinks. But I’ve always thought that Roger could’ve beaten Rafa (and Nole too) more had he shown more fight like how Nole does against Rafa. But that’s me. Maybe because I’m a single-backhanded myself and don’t like to think of it as inferior to the double-backhand.


contador Says:

oh well.

I think we misread or misunderstood. you were jumping on me about something – if you read the exchange. and my point is not about roger beating rafa indoors last year but if you do look at the tour finals, I think there is a handful of them and rafa just does not perform well historically at the end of the season. Maybe he will turn that around but I doubt it!!

hhahahaha their h2h would be less lopsided if Federer was not so obliging and sets himself up to get whipped in the spring! too bad Federer is not worse on clay, then he would not get beat by rafa in all those clay finals. And, too bad Rafa was not better and more obliging to feds in the fall so feds could beat him at that time of year more…

then think about hc and how slow it is at AO compared to US Open and how slow those IW and Miami courts are compared to Cincinatti. h2h is just a bit less rock solid than many make it out to be.


Viz Says:

I think the discussion just highlights how extraordinarily consistent Roger has been on all surfaces (including clay – it’s only that there has been an irresistible force in his way) up until the last couple of years, and we should now let him play out the rest of his years as he chooses without hounding him into retirement just because he no longer plays with the same consistency.

The question now is, will anyone ever match those records? I’ll always root for Rafa, but realistically I don’t think he’s going to win more than 2 or 3 non-clay slams – if that – over the rest of his career. I think he, Nole and Andy will continue to share the spoils for the next couple of years until the next generation catches up. Who will be leading that pack? I don’t follow the juniors so I don’t know if anyone is waiting to burst onto the scene. There’s not really anyone in the top 30 apart from Dimitrov and possible Janowicz who looks like a prospect.


contador Says:

I am a NOLE fan! Wow thankyou James for noticing!

Really no one else does notice me as a Nole fan. My history of being a fed fan is too widely known lol

I have many favorites though. And I appreciate not being clumped in any catagory as some clump me and attack me – it sucks.

But I get attacked and snubbed by my own fan bases. Terribly misunderstood…. ;)


James Says:

@contador, true, Rafa has never won the Tours final. I have no doubt he can improve on it as he’s reached the finals there a few times. As for Rafa vs Roger H2H on faster courts, at this point I highly doubt Roger is going to whip Rafa. Not because he can’t but because sadly he doesn’t seem to be as confident against Rafa as he is against any other player. Trust me, I’d be happy to see him beat Rafa (and Nole in another) one more time in an epic match before his retirement. Rafa will always lead their rivalry, so no worries there.


James Says:

@contador, hahaha no I didn’t know you were a Roger fan. Only shows you’re a fair poster. Well I always thought you were one, which is why I kind of got confused when I noticed a little anti Rafa posts from you ;-) but maybe it was in response to some Rafa biased posts.


contador Says:

ah, Nole and Rafa are not as consistent at season end as old faded federer. That dog still has some life in him but he has to pick his battles. I wish he would stop playing sometimes but he wont listen to me LOL

Nole, won last year Tour Final and I think he has 2 or 3. But Davis Cup has been a priority for Nole end of season too.

Andy Murray is unpredictable end of season. I miss soderling. He was fun watching indoors hc season. Maybe Jerzy will be my Soda popper replacement – the young Pole made the indoors Paris final last fall.

________________

And not sure about the Wimbledon seeding, where Fed will land – most of the betting sites I don’t trust. Points cut -off in the 17th – which will include points from Aegon and Halle ….


Viz Says:

H2H is not a reliable statistic but it’s a fun one, especially when your fave comes out on the winning side ;)


jane Says:

I noticed contador. ;) Yay!


Kimberly Says:

Jane, did mat4 in fact disappear after Friday like he said. How long did he impose his self ban? I have been busy woth the birthday bashes so i havent read tx as diligently but i dont think ive seen him. I hope he comes back soon I do enjoy him a lot. Even though he tries to antagonize rafa fans! I think last year he was back before Wimbledon.


James Says:

Nah! Rafa and Nole never did or ever will dominate men’s tennis like Roger did from 2004 to 2007. Maybe it was a weak era lol


skeezer Says:

@james,

If you want to start calling names, I was here long before you, so quit with the trolling shit. I have never “trolled”.. Stick to talking tennis. Other posters got there stuff deleted. Just FYI.

As Viz says,

“H2H is not a reliable statistic but it’s a fun one, especially when your fave comes out on the winning side ;)”


Daniel Says:

contador,

My sentiments exactly regarding Fedal HxH. In the past I posted here that Nadal never played Fed in his peak, nor now in 2 of Fed’s most successful courts: Cincy and US Open where he has multiple titles. Fed played Nadal in all slow hard courts more than once: AO (2 times Nadal), Miami (2×1 Nadal) and IW (1×1). It’s not to be assumed that Nadal would never beat Fed in those courts but judging by his results in indoor (where so far he was never able to beat Fed), which are fast courts. 4 of the 5 times Nadal played every since he became top 8 in 05′ (06′, 07′, 09′, 10′, 11′ did not play 05′, 08′ and 12′) he lost to Federer, sole exception was 09′. Fed would get an edge in those courts.

The thing about the HxH is that Nadal due to clay created a huge mental advantage translate to Slams. After that 2008 Wimby loss, Fed lost next 3 Slam matches versus Nadal (AO 09′, RG 11′ and AO 12′) of course, they never played US Open or again in Wimby to see if Fed can get his “revenge”.

As Nadal’s ranking in Wimby this year will be #5 (somebody already made calculation using the formula Wimby uses with results from 2011, 2012 and actual rankings), the chance of him meeting Murray and Fed in quarters is greater than Djoko as #1 rarely plays #5 in quarters. So we can have a scenario with Djoko (#1), Fed (#3) and Nadal (#5) all in the same side of the draw. That would be insane, all last 3 champions who won last 10 Wimbledons in the same side of the draw!


jane Says:

Kimberly, mat4 did disappear; I think he said he would not be back before Wimbledon. He usually pops back in, though. How nice to be busy with birthday parties and such; little boys are so much fun!

contador, “their h2h would be less lopsided if Federer was not so obliging and sets himself up to get whipped in the spring! too bad Federer is not worse on clay, then he would not get beat by rafa in all those clay finals.”

Ack, I fear Nole’s in the same boat! O_0


Margot Says:

@contador
Have really enjoyed reading your “musings.” :)
JJ is definitely one to watch. Though another “too tall” for me.
Andy “boring” what, what? I mean even the TMF admires his “virtuosity.” ref and thanking the DA here….;)


Kimberly Says:

Well I hope he (mat4) comes back soon. Hi Margot, you must be looking forward to seeing your man play again this week! I actually think Murray and federer are the favorites at wimbledon but Vegas disagrees. Despite their titles and finals I have never been convinced of rafoles grass court game. I always felt nadal was vulnerable to upset (like rosol) in the first week until the conditions slowed and felt djokovic vulnerable to haas type players. I always thought fed Murray had more grass court games and the other two bullied/willed/strong armed their way to titles.


Margot Says:

@kimberly
Hi back :) Hope Colin had a lovely birthday party and not too much chaos ensued.
Sooooo excited about seeing Andy, or more to the point, seeing Andy win a couple of matches…even better :)
Seems so long since I’ve seen him play, have no idea how his game stands, but as usual, wishing and hoping.


Kimberly Says:

Skeezer, you know who I am certain will draw Nadal in the quarters. I was shocked that he didn’t in the French semi. If I had to guess whose quarter he will get, I will guess Federer.


Kimberly Says:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^If there is any truth to draw rigging no way is murray getting him in england. Djoko nadal too mouth watering for a quarter. But I am thinking that Federer will be seeded two yes, due to bump up from winning last Wimbledon? Or no?


Margot Says:

@kimberly
Think Andy may be seeded 2.


contador Says:

You have to be a Brit to guess what they might do with the seeding at Wimbledon, maybe. Not sure until the draw comes out. Could be revenue they are after, sure; but up there with my best guesses would be what is best for Andy Murray, or maybe they are too confused by him, as I am, to know. Makes sense to me that he get a favorable draw. Then, honor the grass King along with don’t look too obvious, put Novak first. Just guessing after reading some betting sites:

Nole
Andy
Federer
Nadal

but that is premature. some sites have Nadal higher and some lower, as low as fifth. On the 17th the shuffling of players will be more set, as far as ranking points goes – but that does not necessarily mean anything lol, it’s Wimbles.

Kimberly my vote is neutral for GSN. Making the picks works well with my old browser Safari. It is not at all conducive to bracketeer chatting, I didn’t think. And I am forgetting why I didn’t like Tennis Channel bracket.


contador Says:

Congratulation again to Viz…

And Grandmajoan!


contador Says:

ah, margot, nice to know ;) Was guessing Andy second seed too.


James Says:

The Fedal H2H may not be a thing for the record books but has been a major cause for some Roger fans going anti-Nadal imo.

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