Haas Not Happy, Stakhovsky is Stupid at Wimbledon
by Staff | June 28th, 2013, 9:42 pm
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The biggest activity on the men’s side Friday at Wimbledon were let-downs.


Let-downs for Sergiy Stakhovsky, who after defeating seven-time champion Roger Federer loses to Austrian Jurgen “Tuna” Melzer 6-2, 2-6, 7-5, 6-3, and for Jamaican-turned-German qualifier Dustin “Dreddy” Brown, who after defeating former champion Lleyton Hewitt sees his ‘dream draw’ turn into a nightmare when he loses to Frenchman “Yo” Adrian Mannarino 6-4, 6-2, 7-5.

“I think I just played stupid,” Stakhovsky said. “It would be I think the exact word of showing how I should not play Jurgen, and I should have realized that somewhere in the end of the second set. I should mix up. I should never play the same shot against Jurgen. He was returning much better today than Roger. I’m just a little disappointed that I got so blinded by the game I produced with Roger that I kept going with the same game I played against Jurgen, which was just not right.”

Brown’s serve-and-volleying heroics against Hewitt could not be repeated against Mannarino, who put on a passing shot clinic and otherwise pressured the German’s serve.

“I go out there and try to play my tennis as best as possible,” Brown said. “Yeah, today didn’t work out as well as I would have liked it to.”

Also into the fourth round were now-super-favorite and No. 2 seed Andy Murray, strumming No. 32 Tommy Robredo 6-2, 6-4, 7-5, and No. 24 “I’m From” Jerzy Janowicz upsetting No. 15 Nicolas Almagro 7-6(6), 6-3, 6-4.

“There’s a lot more pressure on me now with [Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal] being out,” said Murray, who has won 14 straight matches on grass. “But you need to be professional enough not to let the papers and stuff bother you and just concentrate on each match.”

Janowicz will next meet Melzer in a part of the draw that is wide open.

Seeded winners in second-round action Friday were No. 4 David Ferrer overcoming a gimpy ankle to defeat fellow Spaniard Roberto Bautista Agut 6-3, 3-6, 7-6(4), 7-5; No. 13 Tommy Haas beating Taipei gangster qualifier Jimmy “the” Wang 6-3, 6-2, 7-5; No. 26 Alexandr Dolgopolov rolling Santiago Giraldo 6-4, 7-5, 6-3; and No. 28 Jeremy Chardy who won a tight one over German qualifier Jan-Lennard Struff 6-2, 5-7, 7-6(6), 7-6(4).

Ferrer will meet Dolgopolov on Saturday.

“I am okay. Of course, I had a little pain in my ankle,” Ferrer said. “But today I fell off just one time. The court is normal. Is good, because was raining sometimes on the match. Yeah, I improving my game in grasscourt.”

Haas, a walking injury waiting to happen for much of his career, was reluctant to play in the conditions Friday.

“It’s dangerous. It’s tough when it’s a little bit humid and wet,” said Haas who argued with officials as to whether his match should go on. “Like today, even when we started playing, you know, we warmed up, it was drizzling a little bit. There’s no way you can play.  You can slip and lose the grip underneath your feet, and it’s very dangerous.  It’s really tough if you do get injured for quite a bit after an incident like that.”

Another unseeded winner was Slovak Grega Zemlja, who beat down No. 29 Grigor Dimitrov, and by proxy his girlfriend Maria Sharapova watching from the stands, 3-6, 7-6(4), 3-6, 6-4, 11-9 in a match resumed from the previous day.

Only one Top 10 match was completed Friday on the women’s side amidst the rains and matches called due to darkness, with Estonia’s Kaia Kanepi coming from a set down to upset No. 7 seed Angelique Kerber.

“I had my chances, but I didn’t take them,” said last year’s semifinalist Kerber. “Maybe I could have been a bit more aggressive on one or two balls but she played good on the important points. Then in the third set she was playing unbelievable and I couldn’t do anything.”

Winners in third-round play were No. 15 Marion Bartoli stopping Italian comer Camila Giorgi 6-4, 7-5, No. 19 Carla Suarez Navarro likewise halting the run of Canadian comer Eugenie Bouchard 7-5, 6-2, and No. 20 Kirsten Flipkens likewise beat Jelena Jankovic-ouster Vesna Dolonc 6-4, 6-2.

Suarez Navarro is the first Spaniard through to the fourth round at Wimbledon in 12 years.

Unseeded Italian Karin Knapp was another youngster-spanker on the day, taking out Portuguese qualifier and Sharapova-killer Michelle Larcher de Brito 7-5, 6-2.

Of the second-round winners Friday, Brit Laura Robson sent British fans into various realms of delirium with a 6-4, 6-1 win over Colombian qualifier Mariana Duque-Marino.

“I think I’m handling the pressure and the crowd support fine,” Robson said. “It’s just about getting through a match I should be winning. I knew I was favorite to win this match and I thought I handled it pretty well. I was nervous, but I thought she must be more nervous because I’ve played on the Centre Court before. So I just got away with that one.”

Another second-round winner was American wildcard Alison Riske who came from a set down to top Poland’s Urszula Radwanska.

“I was really nervous, but I tried to keep telling myself that I wasn’t really at Wimbledon,” Riske said. “I was trying to make a scene in my head. I just tried to picture myself just playing my game. I told myself it wasn’t Wimbledon, and just be calm out there and just keep doing what got me to that point.”

Matches suspended due to darkness Friday were No. 25 Ekaterina Makarova leading No. 8 Petra Kvitova 3-6, 6-2, 2-1; No. 17 Sloane Stephens tied with Czech qualifier Petra Cetkovska 7-6(3), 0-6; and Czech qualifier Eva Birnerova leading Puerto Rico’s Monica Puig 6-4, 2-1.

Matches to look for Saturday are (9) Richard Gasquet vs. Bernard “The Tank Engine” Tomic, (23) Sabine Lisicki vs. (14) Samantha Stosur, (1) Novak Djokovic vs. (28) Jeremy Chardy, (27) Kevin Anderson vs. (7) Tomas Berdych, (4) David Ferrer vs. (26) Alexandr Dolgopolov, (1) Serena Williams vs. Kimiko Date-Krumm, Brit Laura Robson vs. Marina Erakovic, Feliciano “F-Lo” Lopez vs. (13) Tommy Haas, Ernests Gulbis vs. Fernando “Hot Sauce” Verdasco, (17) Sloane Stephens vs. Petra Cetkovska to finish at one-set all, (4) Aggie Radwanska vs. Madison Keys, (32) Klara Zakopalova vs. (6) Na Li, and marathon man Grega Zemlja vs. (8) Juan Martin Del Potro.

 


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220 Comments for Haas Not Happy, Stakhovsky is Stupid at Wimbledon

jane Says:

Interesting comments all round. Staks brings up a good point about tactics and using the wrong ones.


al Says:

Jurgen Melzer can now tell his grandchildren that he kicked the butt of the man who kicked Roger Federer’s butt…


Humble Rafa Says:

If the President of the Injury Club doesn’t get injured here at Wimbledon, it will be an embarrassment to our esteemed organization.


Colin Says:

Listen, “Staff”, I’ve already pointed out that Dustin Brown is not Jamaican-turned-German. He’s German.
Pay attention. I don’t want to have issue this correction again.
Have a care, or steps will be taken!


tennisfansince76 Says:

interesting that Stackovsky lost rather meekly to Melzer who Fed beat 3 2 and 2 in the 2010 Wimbledon R16. and Fed was not in particularly good form in there in 2010 battling a bit of an injury and almost going out twice if i remember rightly (Falla and some serb)


van orten Says:

fed should retire ..he lost to someone who lost in the next round to melzer. and melzer is old too…lol we all should realize that domination days are over. for everyone.!!! djoker or murray winning this ? perhaps but anyone could actually steal it from them and nobody shóuld be surprised nor shocked or whatever.


Giles Says:

If one of the favourites don’t win Wimby, wouldn’t it be absolutely colossal if Tommy Haas wins!


Danny Morris Says:

Check-out the article on the commemorative book No.1, launched by ATP.

The article has quotes from Novak, Federer and Sampras on the importance of being no.1

It looks like they just jumped out on claydal! They might be looking at Nole as the next in line for Sampras/Fed like domination of slams and No.1.

Claydal needs some slam wins outside clay and weeks at no.1, else he will be remembered as an also-ran. In the last 2 years he has 0 weeks at no.1 and 1 title outside clay. [Yest 1 title, no slam]


I Love Tennis Says:

Why Fed should retire … because the guy who beat him lost on the next round? With this logic, Nadal is supposed to be retired by now, since last year he lost to Rosol, who was beaten on his next round by Kohlscheirber. ( unsure of the spelling )


Danny Morris Says:

Not to mention, Kohlschreibber himself beat claydal in halle last year.

This year, an injured Darcis beat claydal in straight sets.

Anyway you spin it, future looks bleak for claydal than the rest of the top 4. He will be lucky to make quarters of a slam outside clay, if he ever musters the courage to play them.

Last 5 non-clay slams, claydal’s results:

final, 2round, sitting home crying, sitting home crying, 1st round.

Federer’s record is much better than this and even the ever-sobbing murray sat out only one slam , the not so important FO.

Novak is far and away the leader of the pack.

champion, semi-final, final, champion, semi-final.

not to mention WTF, which was won by Nole too!


Giles Says:

Rafael Nadal is the only man to win 9 slams in consecutive years! And fed?? Maybe he can start his run at the USO?
#Impossible


Giles Says:

So, the mighty fed will go down to No. 5 in the rankings. Lost to a player ranked 116 and will lose almost 2000 ranking points. #ShameOnYouDearFed


Giles Says:

COME ON ANDY MURRAY!
MURRAY TO WIN WIMBLEDON!!


Danny Morris Says:

Federer got 23 slam semis in a row, Novak 12, and fed got 36 slam quarters in a row, Novak 16, what has nadal got? Oh right, he is busy losing 1st and 2nd round.

Claydal = chump outside clay. Got a lower winning % on grass than even that great sobbing scot murray. That should count for something. right?

Murray will win wimbledon, if a clay-courter from spain can do it, a brit who hones his game on grass court should definitely do it. If he does not CHOKE, that is.


Danny Morris Says:

You sure you want to play this game, giles/brando/tenniszod?

Here we go.

Fed 302 weeks at no.1, rafa 102, Novak 90+

Outside clay:

Fed 16 slams, Novak 6 slams. Claydal 4 slams.

#Claydal = chump outside clay. Even Ferrer has 3-3 h2h with claydal outside clay.

You are welcome.


the DA Says:

LOL. Gulbis is down two sets to Verdasco and Paire down 2 to Kubot (although he just broke in the 3rd). Way to step it up boys.

Surprised to see Andy in the royal box today. Must have been eager to see Tomic/Gasquet – I can imagine why.


TennisZod Says:

Danny Morris, great posts. They not understand claydal not good tennis player outside clay. Nole best ever. Let’s hope Nole kick Fedal butts in future also.
#nolefam


nadalista Says:

Berdych and his quadzillas!


the DA Says:

Tomic takes the first set vs Gasquet. Fun match. Flat shots, spins, slices and a bit of junk – it has everything. Hope they keep the level up.

So Youhzny it is for Muzzah on Monday. Verdasco and Kubot beat Gulbis and Paire to go through.


Pitchaboy Says:

When Nole exceeds 12 or 17 slams, the claim he is better than Fedal might work. Thus far, outside of AO, he has been a chump.


the DA Says:

What? Nishikori goes out in 5 to Seppi. Disappointing from Ken. And Berdy down a set to Anderson. hmmm


Polo Says:

I could never understand why some people, in extolling the greatness of their favorites, have to denigrate the achievements of others. It is a sign that they are not secure about the greatness of that idol and that whoever is belittled in the process must be a perceived and real threat to the greatness being attributed to their favorite.


the DA Says:

^ well said.


Giles Says:

Oh, Morris dancer is in the house! Where was he on the day fed lost to no. 116 and the day after? Drowning his sorrows?
Plenty more of that to come chump!!


Giles Says:

In the meantime, come on Laura!


gonzalowski Says:

A pair of assertions:
- Federer is the best of History.

- Danny Morris has a parrot’s brain.


James Says:

“Outside clay:
Fed 16 slams, Novak 6 slams. Claydal 4 slams.”

@DM, Claydal? I think they call him Nadal. And true Nadal has 4 slams outside clay. That’s one way looking at it. Now let’s view it from another window. Let’s see outside the hardcourts:
Nadal has 10 slams, Federer has 8 slams, Djokovic has 1 slam and Murray has none.


James Says:

“- Federer is the best of History”

Fact. Perhaps the most complete player too.


jane Says:

Delpo’s draw has opened a little bit: first dimitrov went out, and then Nishikori went out. He has a good shot at beating Ferrer, too, if he plays well, and then you never know with Delpo.


gannu Says:

most boring Wimbledon..no interest…hardly 29 comments as of now… not even a write up or preview…no one is bothered…that’s what happens if the biggies exit…


jane Says:

“Not even a write up or preview”

Well there are these at other websites. Guess it depends where you look.


Giles Says:

Well done Laura. Great comeback. Well deserved win!


James Says:

@jane, It would be good to see Delpo going deep in the tournament. He’s one of the few players who on his day can outplay the best players.
If I were a Nole fan, I wouldn’t wish for a Nole-Delpo semi-final showdown.


Brando Says:

Eh? Whilst’s it’s true that a real amount of interest has disappeared post Fedal exit, and also the early demise of others (Tsonga), there still is some interest yet. But yep: the buzz level is kind of low at the moment. Even with the women’s side of things.


Wog boy Says:

“…that’s what happens if the biggies exit…”

Last time I checked, #1 and best player on tour for the last 2-3 years and #2 on ATP list are still in. The other two are gone fishing.


jane Says:

Dodig is cruising past Raonic’s conquerer, a.k.a. “the Dutch riser”. First set was a bagel, and it looks like he is baking a breadstick in the second set. Who knew? Dodig in the last 16.

It true, gannu, though that the draws have been decimated of seeds somewhat this year.

As of yesterday 7 of top 15 seeds left of Ladies:

1. Serena Williams
2. Victoria Azarenka (Second round, withdrew knee injury)
3. Maria Sharapova (Second round)
4. Agnieszka Radwańska
5. Sara Errani (First round)
6. Li Na
7. Angelique Kerber (Second round)
8. Petra Kvitová
9. Caroline Wozniacki (Second round)
10. Maria Kirilenko (First round)
11. Roberta Vinci
12. Ana Ivanovic (Second round)
13. Nadia Petrova (First round)
14. Samantha Stosur
15. Marion Bartoli

As of today, 7 of top 15 seeds left on the Men’s side

1. Novak Djokovic
2. Andy Murray
3. Roger Federer (Second round)
4. David Ferrer
5. Rafael Nadal (First round)
6. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (Second round, left knee injury)
7. Tomáš Berdych
8. Juan Martín del Potro
9. Richard Gasquet
10. Marin Čilić (Second round, left knee injury)
11. Stanislas Wawrinka (First round)
12. Kei Nishikori (Third round)
13. Tommy Haas
14. Janko Tipsarević (First round)
15. Nicolás Almagro (Third round)

Gasquet is about to go out too, which means we are left with just 6 of the top 15 players after this match. Possibly. Not yet over.

I actually don’t know how common this is, but it would be interesting to know.

Also, does it feel even more so because half of the big four were out so *early*?

i mean Rafa didn’t play USO or AO last time, and Murray didn’t play the FO, but Fed made it deeper, to the QF, SF, and QF respectively. So it didn’t seem as strange as these players going out in the first week. That’s what’s made it extra odd methinks.


Colin Says:

Whoever wins the final, no doubt lots of people will say there should be an asterisk against their win. In fact, if asterisks are being handed out this year, they should be awarded to Messrs Nadal and Federer.


gannu Says:

wog boy..yes djokr and murray technically are no 1 and 2 but when I said biggies no one matches fed and nadal in terms of things like brand presence, fan following, reach, noise levels, aura etc…

if u think I am wrong pls check out the brand endorsements…even if fed is no 20 in the world…his endorsement and brand value will be 20 times more than murray and djoker…that’s the truth…!!!

so that’s why their exits matter much more than the technical no 1s and 2s exiting!


the DA Says:

Tomic goes through. Great match, well deserved. That’s the best I’ve seen him play since January. Maybe dad should stay away more.

Flicked over to see the Laura fight back from 3-5. I was impressed with her although Erakovic helped with a few DFs. Even a few weeks ago she would lost a match like this easily.


Danny Morris Says:

Gannu,

get a grip over yourself. Yes Federer’s era has ended, but Novak is extending his and maybe Tomic or Janowicz will start theirs.

Tennis is above one player. It has survived the exit of Laver and even a quitter like Borg, it will survive the decline of Fed. Remember Cricket survived Bradman, and Simon Barnes compared Federer to Bradman, tennis will survive too.

Please dont act like a wuss like mem or jane when she is having her fits. Have confidence in your man! More importantly, pursue tennis, not Federer. Rafa/murray fans do that because their favs are 2nd in achievements to Federer and Djokovic.

Federer and Djokovic fans should hold their head high. They are the alpha males and they definitely do not hide behind their uncles or mums!

Next time you post your pessimistic thoughts on fed, I will have to treat you like I treat the choker fans!


jane Says:

Wog boy, how do you feel about Tomic? He’s got the win. Feel any inclination to support him now or no? This is a good run for him.

James, Nole will have to face whomever comes through. At this point, I am guessing it’ll be Haas, Berd and Delpo. But who knows? Maybe Tomic will upset Berd and maybe Ferrer will beat Delpo. Nothing my wishes can do about it.


gannu Says:

jane..good analysis..thats what makes this Wimbledon too boring!!! plus all the analysis that I have done earlier ;-)


jane Says:

“Tennis is above one player.”

Agree.


Pitchaboy Says:

The simple fact that testifies to the greatness of Fedal is how the game has opened up after their domination has ended. The kings are dead; long live the kings.


Danny Morris Says:

Great match by tomic. I hope he improves his forehand and doesn’t vie for the lady forehand title from deliciano lopez’s fan’s son.


James Says:

Big 4 set win for Tomic. Good to see some younger players doing well. Now can he make it to the quarters?


Pitchaboy Says:

There is nobody in tennis or any other sportthat compares to Bradman. The distance between Bradman and the next best batsman is huge. Bradman was a freak of nature. The guy that comes close is a Jahangir Khan in squash.


volley Says:

everyone assumes mr. morris is dave but i’m going to go out on a limb and say it is the ‘angry ewok’, as the DA once labeled him.


gannu Says:

well danny morris…tennis will move on…but my only point was that there will certainly be a vacuum which will take ” time” to fill..i never said tennis is boring…I said this Wimbledon is boring and there would always be a gap till the next super star emerges…djoker is but murray is NOT now…


the DA Says:

“Tennis is above one player.”

Absolutely. Or even two.


Danny Morris Says:

Jane:

What about your fits? ;) Please don’t do a gannu with Novak. The guy is confident and relentless. He deserves better from a genuine fan like you.

Please don’t hang out too much with murray fans. Their guy is 1-5 in GS finals. Novak has beaten Rafa 7 times in a row in finals and has set the gold standard for any rivalry. Show the confidence in your posts.

Just a suggestion. Novak has a tricky path, but if he is in the zone, the tournament is on his racquet. Think about 2011 Wimbledon final. He absolutely man-handled rafa at his prime [atleast his team has not claimed injury as YET.... have they?]

So. Be positive. If you are not go check if medical research can get your blood group changed. j/k….


Polo Says:

Indeed, a most boring Wimbledon. How can it be otherwise when the biggest draws are gone? The only thing giving it any flicker of life is Murray because that’s his homecourt. If he goes, this Wimbledon will be dead.


Wog boy Says:

jane,

I just cannot force myself to cheer Tomic. There is something in him that makes me always going for one he plays against. I watched the match , needless to say I cheered Frenchie, and it is good win by Tomic. You probably don’t remember but I said few months ago that I expect him to do well at Wimbledon. It suits his personality. What I don’t understand is that he has plenty of power on both wings but doesn’t use it. Either way, great talent, not sure that is great head, not yet.


Pitchaboy Says:

It is actually exciting. There are no players with the game to dominate on grass like Sampras or Fed. The next few years will be anybody’s game. Murray moves the best on grass and if keeps his head down can pick up 2 or 3 titles here.


metan Says:

@polo.
Well said.


volley Says:

lol at sergiy stakhovsky’s departing tweet:

“Flying out of London on the wing of @FlySWISS…awkward”


Danny Morris Says:

“Murray moves the best on grass and if keeps his head down can pick up 2 or 3 titles here.”

If he was not a headless chicken, he would have had atleast 1 by now. His 3-0 against claydal on grass is a joke. I mean come on, Rosol beat him the year after and darcis the year after that.

Murray is a chicken for losing 3 matches in a row at wimbledon to a clay court specialist. In 2011, claydal had not won a title off clay for nearly 8 months and wouldn’t win another for almost another 2 years. Our lady forehand still lost her head and marbles! LOL!


gannu Says:

Danny Morris – did murray ever sexually abuse you or torment you…why so much hatred towards him? You advise others abt fits and stuff…guess u get one when u see murray on the court ;-))


Giles Says:

@volley. Lol


tennisfansince76 Says:

@wobbly do you think Rafa invited Fed to Mallorca for some fishing?


Giles Says:

Well done Berdy!


Danny Morris Says:

Mentioning Stakhovsky will not rile Fed fans or mentioning Bastl will not rile Sampras fans, because they were past their prime.

Rosol and Darcis, however….. hmmmm…. Claydal, is he in decline? LOL!

Oh wait, lady forehand and claydal have fake injuries flaring up on their weaker surfaces.


Wog boy Says:

Well, I cannot wait for Berdych/Tomic match.


Giles Says:

@ gannu. The Morris Dancer is a very worried character at the moment. You know why!


nadalista Says:

Wasn’t pretty, but Berdy survives. Spare Wimby’s blushes……….


Danny Morris Says:

Gannu murray did no more to me than lopez did to murray’s mom or rafa’s uncle.

Murray is not a homosexual [from what I read] and I am most definitely not. Now, if you are, you should stop projecting your fantasies on to others.

Sean/Ben/Tom:

Can we talk about posters getting molested? I got some nice anecdotes involving Giles/Brando/Zod and volley/ed and DA/stu


the DA Says:

Berdy scrapes through. The match with Tomic promises to be a doozy. Bernie has the potential to drive Tomas nuts with all his slices and changes of pace.

@ gannu – You’re onto something there. Whatever her obsession is, it’s very twisted and unhealthy.


Danny Morris Says:

later sheeples, gotta put rafa/murray fans in place on the other site!


Giles Says:

FADE-ERER lost on his strongest surface to world no. 116!
Suck it up! Mr. Nadal will not let that happen on his favourite surface – that is the difference!
Vamos King of Clay!!


grendel Says:

Well, Laura Robson pulled out of this one somehow. 1st set, and who had the mighty serve? Marina Erakovic. A real cracker of a serve. Robson’s looked stilted beside it. Whose forehand was dominant? Absolutely Erakovic’s, goodness it was powerful. Robson was tight, nervous and nowhere. However, she is a true competitor. She knew this was not her day, but she also knew that Erakovic was going to get nervous at the death – with the prospect of a Wimbledon 4th round looming. That was her hope.

Sure enough, serving for the match, Erakovic, among other things, did a spectacular double fault, the ball barely reaching the bottom of the net. Robson knew then that she was in, didn’t have to do much – just as well on this particular day – just allow the New Zealander to self-destruct.

This momentum continued into the final set. Erakovic was down, despondent and seemingly doomed. Robson was ok – but that was enough. Serving at 4-0 you’d think it was all over, but at last Erakovic relaxed and started to play again. Remember, Robson was not in good form at any stage in this match, so it was finger biting time again. Back and forth, break point, game point, finally Erakovic breaks. Serves at 1-4. Surely no problem? Those who saw how superior Erakovic was to Robson in 1st set understood there was a huge problem. Erakovic holds, threatens Robson’s serve again, but somehow Robson sneaks through. Time to relax? You must be kidding. Erakovic is 0-30, but then calmly plays some top tennis to win the game. Laura serving for the match and is quickly 0-30. Obviously all over, why bother, let’s switch channels and watch something sensible.

Ah, 15-30. Grudgingly concede better carry on with the torment. Well, as we all know, Laura did it, but it was a close call, no doubt at all. She’s a competitor, this girl. We’ve all been putting too much pressure on her, she’s only 19. She’s got plenty more to learn, and I think she’ll be a great player one day. meanwhile, she is already a great competitor – and that cannot be taught.


the DA Says:

@wog boy – Are you going to be able to last until Nole’s match? It’s quite late where you are isn’t it?


Giles Says:

I am really surprised that the moderators are approving posts such as the one from Morris Dancer at 11.50 am.


metan Says:

One little monkey jumping on the bed, holding a racket and say claydal..claydal every second. every minute and every hour. His mommy called the doctor. And the doctor said your son is suffering from claydal syndromes. And his mommy asked what’s that and the doctor replied . It is a newly founded DEPRESSION. It is very dangerous because the brain and soul are in tormented stage. BETTER BECAREFUL &TAKE PRECAUTIONS.


Wog boy Says:

the DA,

Good question. I don’t know to be honest. If you don’t see my posts that means that I am in lala land. It is 2am now and I had a pretty big day already.


grendel Says:

Wog boy

I have no feelings for Tomic as a person, apart from finding him droll in some unfathomable manner. But as a tennis player, I think he is just tremendous. Once he gets his head together, and gets that damn father of his out of it, I think he’s going to be absolutely formidable. This is a potential slam winner without a doubt.

” What I don’t understand is that he has plenty of power on both wings but doesn’t use it. ” Oh, but he does, Wog boy, he does. He uses it judiciously. I’m not saying he always gets it right, mind – with a game as incredibly subtle as his is, that is not likely. But often enough, he does. Even a player as brilliant as Gasquet can be baffled by Tomic’s change of pace. Today he would lull Gasquet into a series of apparently probing exchanges, and then suddenly unleash with a mighty shot – end of point, generally.

Tomic is at the opposite end of the spectrum to Janowicz. I love them both.


the DA Says:

@Wog boy – Okay. It looks like Stosur is doing well against Lisicki – but we know how that can change. I don’t think you need to sleep uncomfortably ;)


tennisfansince76 Says:

Dang autocorrect on this kindle I meant @wogboy


jane Says:

A number of the players still in the tournament have been to the quarterfinals of Wimbledon before, so it’s not like we don’t have some players left that could make for some exciting matches. F-Lo, Haas, Tomic, Berdych, Ferrer have all been to the quarters or deeper, and Delpo’s been in the last 16. i think Youz may’ve been to the QFs here too? And then Janowicz could be a break out, I am not sure. Will have to see if he can beat Melzer first. Dolgo is still doing his pogo serve, although Ferrer might have something to say about it.


gannu Says:

Guess danny morris is mentally sick…so leave him alone…one who bases his life on hatred is abnormal and needs treatment big time before he explodes…


grendel Says:

I see Dodig has beaten that theatrical Dutchman. He is progressing quietly and without fuss through the draw. An admirable player who makes the most of talent slightly limited by the very highest standards. Looks like he will meet Ferrer, a player in a similar mould.


grendel Says:

jane, I think this Wimbledon is very interesting, and therefore enjoyable.


gannu Says:

Grendel perhaps should be given the best “poster” award…by far never indulges in any arguments ..very rational and a sincere one…well done Grendel ;-)


Wog boy Says:

Grendel,

You are probably right. Maybe it is my dislike of Tomic that prevents me to see the things the way you see them.


jane Says:

No chance to Doglo, eh grendel?
Dodig vs. Doglo would sound better.


Polo Says:

Some people mistake boorish behavior and vile language for wit. Be happy if you do not belong to that category.


the DA Says:

“I think this Wimbledon is very interesting”

I agree. Due to the bizarre situation it’s already interesting but I think there’s a possibility of some enthralling matches ahead.


Wog boy Says:

the DA,

I will trust you on that one:)


Wog boy Says:

^^
That was for you previous post.


Pitchaboy Says:

Murray lost to Nadal when Nadal was at about his best. Don’t believe he will lose to him these days on grass or hard courts. Will serve us all well to critique dispassionately.


James Says:

Is anyone watching the Stosur-Lisicki match? How is it going? Sabine is my favorite female player.


James Says:

“Murray lost to Nadal when Nadal was at about his best. Don’t believe he will lose to him these days on grass or hard courts.”

We’ll know in a few weeks time.


Giles Says:

@James. One set all


tennisfansince76 Says:

@grendel I agree ‘re Tomic. He.s been a bit of a punk so far but he does have an intriguing game. If be gets his head screwed on straight he could bring some excitement to tennis


jane Says:

I think that if Andy wins this tournament it’ll create a 3-way race to year end number 1, like last year, only between Murray, Djokovic, and Nadal this time.

And yes, it will be interesting to see how the Andy/Rafa rivalry develops going forward.

So far, Rafa has dominated.
Of their 18 matches, only 4 have been on clay.
Andy has 5 wins, all on hard, but one was a walkover.

He’s gonna wanna change that.


tennisfansince76 Says:

I see playboy Ernie got bounced in straights. A sad event for some of our female posters


jane Says:

I like Sabine too – she’s up a break in the 3rd set now.


jane Says:

Dolgo with set 1 over Ferrer. But sometimes Dolgo fades. We’ll see.


the DA Says:

@Jane – “but one was a walkover”

Sorry to nitpick but that was officially a retirement. He was leading 6-2 7-6 3-0. ;)


the DA Says:

Ferrer has played a lot of tennis in the last couple of days, he might be tired. Lisicki has one of the best smiles on the tour, she completely lights up the court with it.


jane Says:

DA, just going by this: says Andy got a walkover at Miami 2012?

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=N409


Okiegal Says:

Wimbledon 2013…………….BORING!!

Pulling for Andy to win it!!!


the DA Says:

@Jane – yes but a W/O doesn’t count as a win, only a retirement.


the DA Says:

^ or an actual win of course.


jane Says:

Oops, DA – you’re right. Didn’t realize that it wasn’t counted in H2H. So 5 wins total (6th would be the W/O).

Happy for Sabine! Looks like she’s going to take this.

Too bad both she and Laura are on Serena’s side. :/


the DA Says:

Sabine wins. I’d love to see Lisicki/Williams actually. As long as Sabine is on form, could be quite a match. Just saw that Delpo rolled over his ankle and needed taping but leads 5-0 and will serve for the match.

Almost Nole time.


jane Says:

Delpo got the bagel. Hope the ankle isn’t serious; that guy has bad luck with injuries!


James Says:

Go Sabine! :-)
In 2011 Wimbledon, I was rooting for Li Na against Sabine Lisicki. Half way through the match I found myself cheering for Sabine. Really liked her fighting spirit. Been a fan ever since. Her game suits grass and I believe she can win a Slam.


the DA Says:

@Jane – have you seen this weird Wilson commercial with Laura, Milos, Madison and Andrei?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2smGa76sNQ

Not sure what to make of it. Comments include “awkward double-date”. hehe


jane Says:

DA, lol – promoting the “up-and-comers”? Silly, but at least it’s an effort to promote new stars. Whether they’ll BE stars remains to be seen with some of them, especially the men in the commercial.


James Says:

@DA, Sabine Lisicki actually has the game to give Ms Williams a run for her money. Didn’t watch the Stosur match but Lisicki’s first serves usually go at 105/107 mph.


the DA Says:

Haas through to the 4th round. Ferrer caught up in a TB after trying to serve for the 2nd set.


jane Says:

Dolgo with the break in the third. But they are a set apiece there.

Haas is scary for Nole fans. Eeek!


Long Live The King Says:

Haas is playing really well. If he gets by Djokovic, a very tough task, but Haas has the variety to take care of Djokovic.

Fedal being out leaves this Wimbledon, bland. If murray loses, I wonder what the TRPs for the final will be. The entire tournament and the respect of the tennis world is on Murray’s shoulders.


Danny Morris Says:

Jane, you are doing it again. Nole is winning that match in straights – take it to the bank.

Remember 12 consecutive slam semis and 16 qf semis on the line. Nole will get the job done.


jane Says:

“12 consecutive slam semis and 16 qf semis on the line”

Amazing! :)

But he needs to play very well versus Haas. He’s the 13th seed here and 13th in the world; that’s not an easy 4th rounder. He’s taken Nole out and is a former semi-finalist.

Say what you want but I am taking nothing for granted.


grendel Says:

@Gannu 12.13
Kind of you to say so, but I can assure posters with long memories will tell you it was not ever thus. I was for ever getting into absurd squabbles until I realised it was absolutely counter-productive – if you like peace of mind, anyway.

Yes, jane Dolgopolov takes 3rd set. Ferrer has been struggling a bit this tournament, so perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised. However, Dolgy has to win another…..

James, I watched a few games of Lisicki, and she looked very strong, barely allowing Stosur into the match. One serve, b.t.w. was clocked at 122 mph. I don’t quite see her taking Serena, but here’s hoping for a real battle.

Laura now faces Kanepi, a formidable opponent.
Can she win?
Ye-es.
Is she favourite?
No.


Giles Says:

Did Chardy turn up to play or just admire Centre Court?


Daniel Says:

Wow, Djoko looks superb.
He is hitting everything on thr rise and flattening his strokes. The ball is super fast.


jane Says:

Poor Jeremy. He didn’t even play badly – only 14 unforced errors, 66% first serves in, more winners than errors.

But it was a master class performance from Nole imo.
38 winners/3 errors.
Won 93% on first serves
80% on second serves.
86% at the net (18 of 21)

Hope he can continue like this. He’ll need to play great versus Haas. Ajde!


Daniel Says:

I am a huge Fed fan and always enjoyed watchkng greatness in sports even Nadal winning 8th French.

Tome this Wimby did not lost his charm. Actually is the changing of guards and whoever wins tis tourney between Djoko and Murray will have a edge going into US Open. Thei rivalry is the real deal now, we may not see a Fedal Slam anymore, hope not and eish they play this year US Open.

But I am having a close eye in Djoko, if he wins this Wimby beating Murray he will have a huge boost for US Open (Murray may have a let down after losing a second straight Wimby final and Djoko can go on and have another 3 Slam year being #1 for a full season (something only 5 players were able to do: Federer, Sampras, Lendl, Connors and Borg I think).
Tis Wimbledon is vital for Djoko and Murray due to Fedal out and I am very curious to see who of these two will win the mental battle.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Please dont hate me Novak fans,but I gave this one a miss,im afraid sorry Novak fans,not his fault but i couldnt bring myself to watch a match that i knew would be so dismally one sided,no hard feelings.


the DA Says:

Serena vs Date-Krumm moved to CC to play under the roof/lights. I remember when she gave Venus a huge scare under the roof. History won’t repeat methinks.


grendel Says:

Daniel, whilst I can’t see anyone giving Djokovic any real trouble (Tomic not quite ready), Murray is beatable before final. He’s favourite to reach the final, but not a certainty.
Murray started off majestically against Robredo, but by the 3rd set, Robredo was slightly the better player. He couldn’t keep it up. Better players might be able to.

Ferrer 4-2 in final set against Dolgopolov. There’s a kind of annoying inevitability about that.


grendel Says:

X hippy chic – I felt exactly the same. However, I will watch Djokovic against Haas. Not that Haas has a real chance against Djokovic in a 5 setter, but there will certainly be some glorious tennis from both players.
Did you watch Tomic/Gasquet? Magic.


jane Says:

I totally understand why people wouldn’t want to watch a one-sided match, especially unless it involves their fave.

Last week, grendel, you said that “Normally a match without competition is a bit dull. Routine. But with Federer, there’s just an exquisite visual spectacle. ”

I guess I feel similarly about some one-sided Nole matches, like today’s for e.g. For me, it was lovely to watch his returning, serving, etc., to watch him play such a clean match with a lot of winners.

I guess it’s how Rafa fans felt about the FO final versus Ferrer? Or Murray’s versus Fed at the Olympics? It’s all a matter of perspective, at least to some degree anyhow.


Brando Says:

@Alison:

Likewise.

Don’t hate Novak: personally think his personality is absolutely ace. A good ambassador of the game also.

His game I respect highly, and is definitely a all time legend in my book.

But I just do not like to watch him outside a big match.

He’s uber clinical, but it just doesn’t appeal to me. That said: different strokes for different folks.

This match was a foregone conclusion for many and it turned out as such.

Djokovic v Haas? Count me in!

Novak should and more than likely will win that, but for the neutral it has real appeal: the Tommy gun can challenge Novak, and has a style different to him also that appeals on the contrast basis.

Should be good.

Also:

Berdych v Tomic seems like a cracker. Birdman played well today IMO- especially at the end of the 4th set too.

Berny seems to be more calm in this tourny than recent weeks and as we all know: the kid can play on grass.

Delpo was excellent also- he really seemed as comfortable on grass as I have ever seen him today.

Next week should- hopefully- serve up some showcase clashes.

Muzza, Nole, Delpo, Berdy, Ferru and the wild card, Jerzy, is a pretty good week 2 draw IMO.

Let’s see what week 2 brings us: GO MUZZA!


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Grendel yeah im looking forward to the Haas/Nole match too,this one had a touch of inevitability before it even started.


Bada Bing Says:

Danny:
This was such an exquisite match from Novak. How many errors were there, 2-3? It’s hard to see how Haas can hurt him if he plays the way he did today.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Brando yeah great post totally agree,and i agree with Jane too,its always nice when your favorite eases through,but its great to sink your teeth into a real meaty battle,i did feel like the Rafa/Daveed final at the FO was an anti climax,after we had that fabulous semi a couple of days before,likewise the Berdych/Nadal final in 2010 at Wimbledon.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

I dont think Haas will beat Novak either,but hopefully he will be able to hurt and push him,however we will see.


thark Says:

Gulbis kills me. He is like the anti-Nadal. The only time he doesn’t turn it on is when it really matters. I feel like we should all pitch in and send him and Monfils to some sort of therapy to help them realize their potential. I suppose I shouldn’t be so invested but sometimes it seems as though they’ve momentarily forgotten that they are talented. Some rare form of success-induced amnesia that only hits when you get deep enough in a slam for everyone to start hoping again…


jane Says:

thark, too true, too true. :/

But I ain’t pitching in nothin for Gulbis; he has TOO much money! He should be able to spring for therapy. Don’t know La Monf’s situation but I’d imagine he can afford it too.


Ben Pronin Says:

Dolgopolov blew a wonderful opportunity. Such a shame.


Sidney Says:

hippy chic,
No need to be sorry. I don’t hate you. I feel the same way about Rafa’s matches against unheralded opponents. I can get past the butt-picking if it is against top-caliber players though. Otherwise, no thanks!

jane, I am with you. I really enjoyed the Nole-Jeremy match a lot! :) Incredible, almost flawless effort from Nole.

Have you read Howard Bryant’s latest article at espn.com? It is a must read for Nole fans.
http://espn.go.com/tennis/wimbledon13/story/_/id/9432056/wimbledon-djokovic-new-gold-standard


jane Says:

Thanks for the link Sidney; & no, I hadn’t seen that.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Sidney thankyou and fair enough,im getting to be like that with Serenas matches too,so its nothing personal.


the DA Says:

The OOP for manic Monday is out:

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/scores/schedule/index.html

Always a dizzying day with all the channel switching. Even though so many seeds are missing I’ll still be flipping back and forth. Nole/Tommy is on at the same time as Berdy/Tomic. aargh


jane Says:

Thanks DA – should be a busy day of viewing for tennis fans.


grendel Says:

I see the link is not being accepted. Anyone who wants to see Murray as described in post above, just google daily telegraph, and then click on the article on Laura Robson


Nina Says:

Jane said: Last week, grendel, you said that “Normally a match without competition is a bit dull. Routine. But with Federer, there’s just an exquisite visual spectacle. ”
I guess I feel similarly about some one-sided Nole matches, like today’s for e.g. For me, it was lovely to watch his returning, serving, etc., to watch him play such a clean match with a lot of winners.

Same here. It really buggs me that Fed fans think only their guy on killer mode is spectacular to watch. He is, no doubt, but so are Nadal, Murray and Nole. Djoko is my absolute fave ever and there is nothing that I enjoy better than watching him dismantle his opponent, which he does numerous times, luckily for me.

I enjoy Nole’s game above anyone else, some say it’s clynical and robotic but for me he hits the ball cleaner than anyone else on tour and that’s an spectacle in itself, not to say that when he’s really on you just can marvel at him, the most complete player on tour.

He looked in ominous form today against Chardy, his best match all season, though I know Haas is a different animal. Haas has the game to trouble Novak on grass for sure, it will be exciting to watch. I’m laughing now at the absurdity of the draw when everyone though Nole had been the lucky one before the tournament started. Who’s talking now? Haven’t seen a smootherer path to the final than Murray’s, Nole has got the heavy ones: delpo, berdych, haas…


Wog boy Says:

Well, I was watching Ferrer/Dolgo just fell asleep and when I woke up they were just about to finish, then I realized that meanwhile Nole finished his match. Have seen it now, thanks to “record” button. He was clinical, but he has to be. The worst is coming: Haas, Berdych (maybe Tomic), Delpo, Murray. Do I remember well that some people were posting post after post about Nole’s lucky draw?;) The things changed after first two rounds, didn’t they?


Danny Morris Says:

Bada Bing:

Good to know there are novak fans who actually have faith in him and not cowering at the sight of an also-ran like haas.

This is not to demean haas, who is a great character and has got a wonderful game. I consider him to be very talented, but end of the day, there is a reason haas is having one of his best seasons and still scratching top 10 and Novak has held the no.1 for the better part of 2years.

People who are scared to call a match like it is, because they are afraid they might be jumped on by novak haters later on, i understand where they are coming from.

I work as investment banker and I see scared types who are not decisive.

Here is my prediction: Novak in atmost 4sets.

What you got Bada Bing?

After seeing Novak’s superlative performance. I will say he has a 80% chance of winning his 2nd wimbledon. Murray = 10%, delpotro =5%, berdych = 4%. Rest of the field = 1% [Janowicz is the most likely of the rest]


the DA Says:

@wog boy – I’m not sure you should be overly concerned with Delpo. He uploaded this pic of his leg after today’s match:

http://tinyurl.com/p2bj5zw


Danny Morris Says:

” Do I remember well that some people were posting post after post about Nole’s lucky draw?;) ”

Wait for real novak “fans” Brando/zod and murray fans – to convince us how murray has got the toughest draw since the stone age.

Talking about murray fans, are there any who are courageous enough to call themselves so? I see mostly people having murray as 2nd fav like alison, jane and a host of rafa fans who seem to have resigned to the fact that rafa is not going to add to his glittering record of 1 title outside clay in nearly 3 years! LOL!


Wog boy Says:

the DA,

I thought he rolled the ankle? Haven’t seen his match, but that doesn’t look good. I liked him since I saw him first time playing, like his demeanor, but Jeez, that man is really unlucky with injuries. I forgot to say, I don’t like him when he beats Nole;)
Hopefully it is not serious, finger crossed.


jane Says:

Nina, “Haas has the game to trouble Novak on grass for sure, it will be exciting to watch. ”

Well he’s won both of their grass matches, including one at Wimbledon. So yeah.

Danny Morris, last week you were asking if Haas could “unfurl his magic” versus Nole; now you’re calling him an “also-ran”? Come on, he is ranked number 13 in the world right now!

Call him what you want; call me what you want – I don’t care.

The main thing? Nole will know not to underestimate him. And I hope he brings his best to the court on Monday, because I want Nole to keep right on winning.


jane Says:

Wog boy, good points about Tomic. I think he is a huge talent, but clearly there are some issues behind the scenes. I noticed a write-up on him at Tennis.com. Anyhow, it says that while his dad may be out of the picture, literally, he is still very much with his son and helping him on his way.

He and Berdych have never played; I think he has the game to potentially trouble Berd. You never know. He’s made the QFs here before so it wouldn’t be that much of a shocker.


Danny Morris Says:

“Danny Morris, last week you were asking if Haas could “unfurl his magic” versus Nole; now you’re calling him an “also-ran”? Come on, he is ranked number 13 in the world right now!”

Yes, I did. In the last week, haas did not show me any indication that he will unfurl any magic. Whereas Novak has played an immaculate match.

Look, I know you are just a normal tennis fan who, I doubt plays tennis regularly. You can keep getting scared for novak. As I said, I see investors who have no clue how the sytem works. I see the insides of the system and as a guy who plays tennis at a 5.0 level, I think I am closer to the truth than you.

You can call yourself what you want, my battle is not with you – you are a novak fan. If and when you support murray against novak, well that is a different issue.

see you around.


Wog boy Says:

jane,

People don’t realize how strong is a bond between father and son in that part of the world, Balkan, where they are coming from. It is like omerta, you never ever betray your father. Mark my words, Bernard will never let anybody stand between him and his father nor he will put another coach in without making sure that his father has last word about everything. Who is going to accept to work with him under that conditions. I didn’t want to post to much after what happened in Madrid, but I knew what is going to happen. Young Tomic never said a word nor he blamed his father (he actually blames ATP), they flew back to Monaco next morning like nothing happened. Problem is that nobody knows full story and the two wittnesses (Dolgo and Tipsy) are not saying anything. Frenchman with the “broken” nose went to France and was suppose to return with X-ray of his nose next week at Spanish court. He didn’t turn up stating he couldn’t make it. How far is France from Spain? They adjourned court case until october and ATP and ITF banned John Tomic. You cannot not to think that purpose of Frenchman not turning up for court case was exactly that, to give ATP chanse to ban John Tomic. The problem is, not knowing mentality of the people from that part of the world, that they alienated young Tomic even more and put him closer to his father. I think they call it “siege mentality” or something like that.


jane Says:

Wog boy, that’s unfortunate. I don’t mean the bond between father and son, but that Tomic is so bonded he can’t see that maybe a different coach would be good for both of them! It’s too bad his father can’t see that either. But not only that, even if they want to keep the coaching relationship, his dad needs to cool down! And he needs to realize that all of these distractions are hindering his son’s momentum, not helping.

I guess there’s another way to look at it, which is that this might light a fire under Bernie to do well. Just hope it’s not at Nole’s expense. If Nole gets past Haas, he could very well face Bernie not Berd in the quarters. And Bernie’s game is very different, very mixy. So it could cause Nole to get more frustrated. All depends. Have to wait and see.

I like Tomic; I think Nole does too. He seems like a talented bloke. But he has to try to sort things out soon so as not to let any of this distract him from the game. The game’s the thing!

Danny, Nole is my fave – has been for years.

But didn’t you yourself say recently that Murray is the 2nd most talented on grass behind Fed? I am sure I recall that. So what’s your beef/battle?


Wog boy Says:

“I guess there’s another way to look at it, which is that this might light a fire under Bernie to do well. Just hope it’s not at Nole’s expense.”

jane,

You are not wrong, that is my thought too. To go back to Tomic’s origins, that is what we call “inat” I think english word would be “in spite.”


jane Says:

I’ve heard that word before Wog boy; I think mat4 was talking about it once. Well, let’s keep our fingers crossed that Nole stays focused and playing well. Cheers!


Wog boy Says:

It was good to se Andriy Shevchenko in Nole’s box, he was there last year too.


Wog boy Says:

jane,

Nice video,Andriy Shevchenko is in it too.

http://youtu.be/hhkMPEoWBvw


jane Says:

Cute Wog boy; sweet little boys, and nice to see Tsonga in there too. Thanks. :)


Wog boy Says:

Yes jane, Tsonga looks like real nice young man, likeable young man.


Michael Says:

What worked well against Roger couldn’t work against Melzer. And that is the irony of it. Ofcourse, it all depends on the form of the player on that particular day. But, somehow I get a feeling that Roger’s return and groundstrokes lack the usual pace and spin to unsettle opponents. Stakhovsky had just no answer to many of the returns of Melzer and he looked like a novice against the power generated by his opponent. His serve and volley Tennis really looked stupid against Melzer but brilliant against Roger. That is how Tennis is. Finding it easy against a Seven time Winner, but struggling against a player who rarely even reaches the quarter finals.


Bada Bing Says:

Danny-
What do I think?

They don’t call him the best returner ever for nothing.I have never seen Novak play better on grass.
He was returning those 130 bombs from Chardy today like nothing. That was some of the best ROS I have seen from Novak in one match.

Three tight sets if Novak is in the zone again- if not Haas might take one.


I Love Tennis Says:

Same here, Novak in 3 tight sets. And looking forward for Janowicz to make it for the quarterfinals.


Long Live The King Says:

There is no doubt this Wimbledon is devoid of star power. There is no doubt Wimbledon is the greatest tournament in our sport, but this tournament has the feel of a funeral.

Murray winning might change that, but any other result has no significance. It is like the dynamic has been set.

Federer’s position at the top of GOAT list seems almost certain. Nadal’s career seems to be inevitably drawing towards the conclusion that everyone has been predicting. Both are headed to the end of their careers in their own way.

Djokovic is ruthlessly efficient and brings lendl the bore of yore, to mind. Murray seems to be not aiming for more than anything but one Wimbledon title and he doesn’t look like he will ever be able to make a serious run at no.1. I mean withdrawing from a slam at 26? with just 1 slam? That is so 90s, the weak sampras era where no one seemed to win more than 2 or 3 slams.

Where is the next nadal? Where is the next Federer? These 2 seem to be clearing their throats to render one final master-piece and call it quits. A lot like Pete and Andre losing early in 2002 Wimbledon.

After that, Agassi won 1 slam. Pete won 1 slam. Pete retired 1 year later. Agassi kept fighting father time till Federer hammered the truth into him in the 2005 USopen.

I know Federer is 5 years older than nadal unlike Samprassi, but Andre won his 1st slam 2 years after Pete won his. [90 and 92]. Fedal had their 1st slams in 03 and 05. Agassi who played a brutally physical baseline game lasted 3 years longer but on the whole played about the same matches as Pete.

Nadal showed a lot of promise during the clay season, but his 1st round defeat brought us to square 1. What can he do outside clay? The clay debate is sealed. What is nadal going to do about his grass slams[trails Roger 7-2] and hardcourt slams [9-2] and WTFs [trails Roger 6-0] and weeks at no.1 [trails Roger 302 to 104].

Does anyone seriously think, whatever Djokovic/Murray achieve it will stand up to the Fedal numbers? 29 slams, 400 weeks at no.1, 6WTF, 6year ends,45 masters! GOAT 1 and 2.

It feels like watching man of steel, after the Batman Trilogy from Chris Nolan. It makes you wonder why FEDAL cannot continue their 2003-2013 run for another 90 years!

Ok, so let me go and check if Janowicz has some shot at the title. I hope one of these young bucks steps it up big time. Like Federer in 2003, Nadal in 2005, Novak in 2007 and Andy in 2008.

Dimitrov, Janowicz, Tomic, Goffin, Raonic, get cracking guys. We dont want to see Gaudios and Thomas Johannasons take the slams home.

The other scenario is, Andy takes the next and final step like Novak did in 2011 and takes the game by the scruff of its neck. It is hard to see Andy doing it because more often than not he lets games drift by instead of plucking them up and beating them into submission. Admittedly, he has been doing this more often since the Olympics, but Australian Open was a step back. Then again, Novak at AO is like Roger at Wimbledon, USO or WTF or Nadal at FO.

Murray needs to carve a surface for himself and with Roger relenting finally, Wimbledon, USO and WTF are for grabs. How will Nolandy distribute those 3 thrones. Nole seems to have taken up WTF. Wimbledon/USO are up in the air. In particular USO has had 5 different champs the last 5 years. Nole lost 2 of those championships, so he seems the logical choice for USO domination.

Talking about USO, can delpotro take one more step to greatness? Tennis would be poorer, if he didn’t.

Ok guys, make of the above stuff, whatever you will.

Let the Championships resume!


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Danny Morris granted Rafas none clay court credentials have been pretty thin on the ground,but im happy he has 12 GS overall and at least one on each surface,and 57 titles overall,and i dont see him as the failure that other posters do,he will still go down in history as an all time great,and as ive already said Murrays always been my second favorite player,as hes a Brit and so am i,two girls on this forum called Kimmi and Dari are Murray fans,even though Federer is their personal favorite,so sometimes people have more than one favorite,and i think Murray has alot of talent and variety,no ulterior motives or anything,and like Jane said his game suits grass,however you will never hear me belittling Roger or Nole to make me feel better about Rafas achievements because as far as im concerned their achievements are amazing,but for me so are Rafas regardless of the failure some people make him out to be,no harm or foul just saying.


Margot Says:

Lol at that pic, the DA. Thought Andy looked a tad embarrassed!


the DA Says:

@ Margot – Yes, I think it was the ovation mostly and partly the suit.


TennisZod Says:

I like see some Federer fans like Danny Morris become Nole fan because Nole so dominant and Federer old and finished like Nole mother say “the king is dead, long live the king”. Old boy Federer lose fans to Nole. Nole is the king now. Bow tennis fans.

P.s. Nadal fans also welcome to join Nole fan club because Nadal also become like Federer now, not good enough. If you smart like Danny Morris you worship no.1 player whoever is the player.


Polo Says:

Long Live…I like your latest post, a nice synopsis of what’s going on in the tennis world written objectively. Thanks!


Danny Morris Says:

Alison:

If you are very secure about rafa’s achievements and your loyalty towards claydal or lady forehand, my comments shouldn’t trouble you. Yes, you do not belittle roger or novak, but you can see rafa fans like brando/zod or hr or giles or whoever constantly taking digs at roger or novak and their fans and same goes for those pretending to be murray fans. I know DA/volley/margot from other sites and how they bad mouth Federer and Novak.

You are a little out of depth in the game that goes on here. I would say relax, get some popcorn and enjoy the show. Particularly, today there is no tennis, so it will be fun. I do not remember targetting you. If I did, you can point it out and we will discuss that.

I have always regarded you, James and Kimberly as the good rafa fans who are good to both Federer and Novak. You should not be having any beef with what i say to the other posters.

Remember, this is a tennis site and things are strictly business and you have no idea the nasty games these people are playing. So, I politely advise you to stay out of it. Sound good?

The whole concept of 2nd favorites is shaky and as anyone can see – I have supported Novak much more vehemently and have more faith in him than a lot of his “genuine fans”. Why? I have superior tennis knowledge and I have numbers to back my statements.


Brando Says:

@Long Live: great post.


Long Live The King Says:

Polo:

Thanks. It got a little too long, but I am glad no one is complaining. I think I remember you from 3years back, when I used to post.

I just wanted to write something to start off my 3rd career as a tennis-writer and I sent the post to a few well-reputed tennis writers and I want to see what they have to say. [[with some more editing, what I posted here is a draft]

Danny:

As I told you on the other site, you cannot make claims like “I have superior tennis knowledge and I have numbers to back my statements.” I agree you have the knowledge and numbers that 90% of posters do not have, but a lot of people do not like being told their knowledge is inferior, even if it is true.


Danny Morris Says:

When I say Novak has outperformed Rafa at AO, USO, WTF – I am not make hogwash comments like brando/zod. Novak does have better records than Rafa at these slams. I am calling a spade a spade here and more importantly I can see a spade as a spade, because I am not blinded by the kool-aid that these people are sipping.

Similarly Novak is poised to overtake Rafa’s records at Wimbledon and weeks at no.1 I am quite certain Novak will overtake rafa in total wimbledon titles as well as total weeks at no.1. Yes, you can argue he won’t and that is fine. We agree to disagree.

Rafa’s record outside clay is 3rd to Federer/Novak. There is no way you can go around it. When all is said and done, Rafa will stand top of the pile but outside it – I dont see him overtaking Federer/Novak. In fact, if murray has the guts that Novak has, even he will end up with a better record outside clay than rafa.


Danny Morris Says:

I meant Rafa will stand on top of the pile on clay in the 2nd line, in 3rd paragraph above!


Danny Morris Says:

LLTK:

Great post earlier. I know what you are saying, but I am feeling smug like The Fed, today. ;)


Long Live The King Says:

Thank you Brando.

@Danny – watch your smug azz and my last piece of advice : People listen or reason with you, if you are not as aggressive or confrontational. My 2 cents.


Danny Morris Says:

I also believe Rafa’s H2H that his fans mention to defend him is a product of his one-surface domination. He plays Federer/Novak 50% of the time on a surface on which they all play 25% [4 out of the 16 common tournaments they play each year]. With Ferrer, it is an even more lop-sided 75% of the time.

You cannot tell me that is just a coincidence that he ends up playing his 2 top rivals on his favourite surface – 50% of the time. You can see a similar thing where the less versatile/complete or one-surface player gets to play his rival on his favorite surface, in following rivalries:

Sampras-Agassi – Sampras played agassi 7 out of the 10 times they played at a slam at Wimbledon/USO, which are sampras’ favorite slams. At FO/AO where Agassi has a superior record Sampras played Agassi only 3 times and Agassi won all 3. If Sampras did not suck on clay, he would have played Agassi at FO 5 times like Roger/Novak did and I do not see anything but Agassi wiping the dirt with Sampras.

Borg-Mcenroe – Borg is a more complete player than Mcenroe, but his h2h is 7-7 with mcenroe. Infact Borg ran away after he lost 3 in a row and no.1 to Mcenroe. [If Roger did the same, he would be having a 6-8 h2h with rafa and 12 slams and 200 weeks at number 1. I commend Roger for having a more mature outlook than Borg and knowing what matters. Not the H2H - but slams and weeks at no.1. He now has 17 slams and 300 weeks at number 1] Getting back to the Borg-Mac rivalry, borg never got to play mcenroe on clay. He played majority of their 14 matches on mcenroe’s favorite surfaces – Wimbledon, hardcourts and carpet. Mcenroe was not as great on clay as Borg was on other surfaces and he played him 0 times out of 14.
If Rafa fans had the numbers to dispute these numbers, they wouldn’t be avoiding them and trying to figure out who I am – which they suck at anyway. I started posting on this site way before even Jane/Ben started posting. In anycase, if you really know your tennis, it really shouldn’t matter WHO is saying it. Just WHAT is being said. I have to stoop to Brando/zod/Giles/DA’s level because they have answers for my numbers here.
Anyway, I am sure real Federer/Novak/Tennis fans appreciate the numbers I have put up. If they don’t, they can always point out the flaw in the numbers/analysis I have put up.


Danny Morris Says:

“I have to stoop to Brando/zod/Giles/DA’s level because they have answers for my numbers here.”

should be replaced as

“I have to stoop to Brando/zod/Giles/DA’s level because they DONOT have the answers for my numbers here.”


the DA Says:

“..because they have answers for my numbers here.”

Correct.


skeezer Says:

LLTK,

Great post about the current tennis scene. Couldn’t agree more.


Polo Says:

LLTK, if you will continue to write the way you did in that article you posted, I believe you will do well. Good luck.

By the way, I shuddered (maybe just a bit), when you said you remember me from three years ago. I was a lot more combative and maybe offensive then. I try to be a bit more controlled these days. Although there are some posters that can be so agitating that one could not help but respond in a rather caustic manner.


volley Says:

i think everyone would agree that the style and content of LLTK’s posts are a welcome addition here. they are the complete antithesis of this morris character’s third-rate contributions.


Sidney Says:

Long Live The King Says:

…. but this tournament has the feel of a funeral.

—-

Not really. For me, Wimbledon 2013 so far has had the feel of… “inevitability”. :)


Sidney Says:

This tournament has had the feel of the inevitable “changing of the guard”.

It was bound to happen. I just never expected it to happen so soon, at Wimbledon 2013.

In fact, I picked Rafa to win his 3rd Wimbledon title, but was praying for a Djokovic-Federer final.

Oh, well. We don’t always get what we want. Still sucks when we don’t get them, but it was bound to happen.

I am not sure about Rafa’s physical condition. Everything I’ve read online has been very pessimistic. So going forward, he’s a bigger question mark for me than Roger.


Sidney Says:

But it is exciting at the same time!

Nole and Andy are Nos. 1 and 2 now, with Ferrer moving up to (a distant) #3. To me, Ferrer moving ahead of both Rafa and Roger in the rankings is BIG! David is so consistent.

How many majors will Nole and Andy each have at the end of their careers? I am salivating at the thought. :) Huge opportunity. In the next year or two, they will be favorites at USO, AO and Wimbledon, and Nole also at FO.

The only question for Nole and Andy is: will they take advantage?

Exciting times for Nole and Andy fans!


Giles Says:

Morris Dancer dances to his own tune and “STOOPS” to Rafans. A real acrobat! Now take care of that old back.
#Clown


skeezer Says:

Giles

Kettle Black Stfu


Giles Says:

Somebody is stalking me as usual!!


Margot Says:

@LLTK
Although you were critical of Andy, I enjoyed reading your long thoughtful post at 1.51
It was reasoned and not aggressive or patronising. I can cope with that :)
I think Andy has made huge strides mentally and with his game, in the past 18 months. It’s obviously he is a late maturer and has found it difficult to cope with expectation in a land devoid of tennis heroes. I think he is slowly growing up before our eyes.
BTW don’t think this slam is like a “funeral” at all. I am finding it intriguing. The old order changes, inevitably.


the DA Says:

Since the morris dancer loves “numbers” and stats, here’s something interesting to consider:

Djoković’s potential route to the Wimbledon crown (H2H on grass) – Haas (0-2), Berdych (0-1), Del Potro (0-1), Murray (0-1).

How will he spin those?


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Danny Morris @8.49am,fair enough,it sounded in your previous post that you were taking a dig at me,but maybe ive got the wrong idea?and to be quite honest your probably right maybe i am out of my depth here?the only thing i ever wanted to do was come here and talk tennis,not get into petty squabbles,i actually feel as though i would be better off as you say probably not posting anymore and just enjoying the tennis?its only a game to me anyway,not the be all and end all of my very exsistence.


TennisZod Says:

I feel happy for Nole and sad for Federer. Old boy Federer lose fans to Nole quicker than his ATP ranking. More and more people like Danny Morris and Nole become most popular ever tennis player. So many fans of Federer to inherit. Smart move I say. Federer meekly bow to talentless Nadal brute force. Nole beat Nadal 7-0 and do again I believe.
#nolefam
#noletimeisnow
#noletennisgoat


TennisZod Says:

DA, but Nole no.1 he most dominant. He beat old Haas easy 3 sets. Nole dominate Berdych. Del Potro go out injured before semifinal just see. If not Nole take Delpo out. Murray? He lose another Slam final to Nole. Just see.

Nole win this Wimbledon. Then fans like Danny Morris tear his shirt in public and dance to celebrate his new idol. Old is gone Nole is here. Nole do striptease for Wimbledon lucky crowd after beat Murray for title.


Brando Says:

@Alison: you probably are best off not posting. TBH: the fun of posting pretty much has gone for me. This whole fedal, rafole, andole and whatever else mud slinging game is just too much. Take today for example: day off from Wimby and on here it’s another back and forth match between rival ‘tribes’ of supporters. It’s to f’ing much! It’s much better just watching the game, enjoying it if you can and not bothering with ongoing totem pole of players bickering here on TX.


grendel Says:

Interregnum.

Long may it reign!


the DA Says:

@Brando – Never let the trolls win.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

I agree indeed i used to enjoy posting when i 1st started 2 years ago,these days it all feels like abit of a chore, TBH i feel like abit of a fraud anyway,as dare i say that tennis although i like it, is not even my favorite sport,my late mother used to say the day you stop enjoying something is the day you should stop.


jane Says:

DA at 11:57 am – eek! Scary post. :/


Brando Says:

@the DA: I know. But I can’t be concerned with it anymore on here. It’s usually more calmer post tournies, in between events. Hereforth I’ll pop in at that time. Good luck to Muzza: rest assured I’ll be rooting hard for him. Also others too: some week 2 drama is always welcome entertainment. Don’t bother with chumps on here DA as your better than wasting a post on them. Till next time, cheers!


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Grendel whats interregnum?


the DA Says:

@Brando – I hear you. See you soon.

@ Jane – Sorry. Wasn’t intended to rattle you but to prove a point ;)


grendel Says:

X hippy chic

I don’t think you’re out of your depths. I think you understand very well what goes on, and don’t like it much.

The answer to that is to ignore it, not to withdraw.

Now, a question. I take it you watched the Robson match? Quite an eye opener, wasn’t it? Laura was quite funny, I thought, when told that Virginia Wade, on the strength of the Kirilenko performance, had said that Robson had the weapons to go deep into this tournament. Laura smiled and said “Virginia does get excited, doesn’t she?” This is a 19 year old talking about a near 70 year old! Yet there’s a sense in which Robson does have an old, cool head on her shoulders, whilst Virginia has a lovely childlike quality about her. Age has not withered her….

Anyway, my question was this: do you think some of us English have been overating Laura, so starved are we of tennis heroes? What I find is this: I see Laura do some spectacular forehands,or some of those great loopy lefty serves, way superior to those of the normal English player, and instantly I am tempted to think, that’s as good as anything anyone does, and from there the next step becomes:this is a top tenner in the making. And then the insidious thought creeps in – well, don’t lets be niggardly, what about top 5? Come to think of it, why not….

Then we see Laura really struggling against Marina Erakovic, a player ranked 33 spots below her. Who had the great serve? Definitely Erakovic. Whose forehand looked up there with Sharapova’s? Absolutely, Erakovic’s. Robson somehow looked a little clumsy, bovine even as she was subjected to Marina’s huge serving and whiplash forehands cascading about her from all corners of the court.

Of course, Laura was tight, not able to do herself justice. And in the end, she came through because she has such a cool, grown up head.

We can expect her to play better in future (though we shouldn’t expect her to beat Kanepi). But how much better? D’you think we are advised to keep our expectations if not low, at least modest?


grendel Says:

X hippy chic – “interregnum” – an extended period in between reigns. Quite a good example might be: the collapse of the Soviet Union, followed by the strange twilight world of Yeltsin when nothing was really clear, and this period closed with the virtual coup d’état of iron man Putin.

Who will be the new Putin, eh?


jane Says:

No worries DA – already rattled. ;)


grendel Says:

In tennis, I mean.


Nina Says:

@Sidney… tha changing of the guard happened long time ago, as far as 2011 when Nole became nº1.


grendel Says:

Honestly, the DA, you really must not frighten the horses! let’s have a look at your figures: Haas beat Djokovic on grass twice, but both in 2009. Barely relevant, I submit. Berdych beat him on grass in 2010 – maybe a teeny weeny bit more relevant, but really, hardly at all. Murray and delPo beat Djokovic on grass in 2012 at the Olympics. This is relevant, but not as much as it might look. The Olympics are kind of special, and it’s surely dangerous to try and extrapolate too much from them. Also, of course, not 5 setters.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Thankyou Grendel,yeah regarding Laura i think as Brits we have that tendency to get carried away when things are going well,but any kind of knock back and we get very pessimistic,and very cynical,we build them up only to knock them down again,we are notorious for it,probably Virginia sees laura in herself,its great shes maturing as a player too,a couple of years ago i think she wouldve just fallen by the way side,but these days she seems to be made of tougher stuff mentally,and thats what you have to do sometimes dig deep when not playing your best,i dont expect her to beat Kanepi your right,but i think she has played better against players when shes the underdog,she will hopefully go out there with that sort of attitude and swing freely from the off,Laura is still young so i believe she will only improve as a player,and i do agree with you in that shes top 10 meterial,or indeed top 5 yeah why not hehe?


jane Says:

grendel, I’m a horse now? Wot?!

Cool article by Tignor on Week 1; I’ll excerpt and bit then append the link:

“What are the major differences between the British tennis fan and the American tennis fan? From my time in my beloved Court 3 this week, I’ve been reminded of a few.

The Brits around me in the stands will celebrate a winner with the low but insistent compliment, “Well played.” If something truly special is performed, it will earn a barked call of “Shot!” This doesn’t sound especially insightful—yes, the player hit a shot, we could all see that—unless you add back the implied “good” that the speaker has dropped off. Linguistic abbreviations and informalities are the law of the land here. The American equivalent to “well played” or “shot” is the stoner/fraternity-inspired “Nice.” (The implied word that’s dropped off here is “dude” or “bro.”) The Brits obviously have the edge on this, but I doubt I’ll ever stop saying “Nice.”

I’m not sure how it works at other British sporting events, but one thing an American quickly notices at Wimbledon is that no one is walking down his row trying to keep a tray laden with three huge cokes, two hot dogs, a slice of pizza, and and a pile of cheese fries from a tipping over and crashing on the woman in front of him. Wimbledon’s fans are more discreet and practical. You might see a woman chewing on a homemade sandwich, or someone else picking from a bag of nuts or dried fruit, or a third person finishing a small cup of ice cream. No one seems to be carrying anything.

Not that the British are totally pure. An American is amazed to see fans drinking wine from wine glasses two rows in front of him. In the U.S., this privilege is reserved for the luxury suite population. (Along those lines, I’m also amazed to see young men staggering down London streets drinking beer out of pint glasses from the local pub.)

As for those little bags of nuts or fruit or figs or whatever is in them: They can be pretty irritating as well. It’s amazing how far the seemingly harmless little crinkling sound of a tiny food bag can carry. During one quiet spell on Court 3, I can hear someone rummaging in one from 20 yards away. After a few minutes of being distracted by tearing, twisting, and crinkling sounds, I want to shout, “You’re still not done with that?”

Karma being what it is, later that match my cell phone goes off right as a player is about to serve.”

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/06/first-week-scenes/48165/#.UdBoqphQ0VQ


grendel Says:

jane

the origin of the “horses” quote:

“At the time when Oscar Wilde was on trial for indecent acts, Mrs. Patrick Campbell (a noted actress) was asked by a friend what on earth Oscar and is men friends got up to, and wasn’t it disgusting? Mrs. Pat replied, ‘I don’t care what they do, as long as they don’t do it in the street and frighten the horses’.


jane Says:

Thanks grendel. I mean, I wouldn’t want to move from a scaredy-cat to a scaredy horse! ;) Indecent, that.


TennisZod Says:

Some of you sensitive posters should ignore trolls. Many of them here. It get tiring they not understand much tennis. Only thing most important remember Nole no.1


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

James even with their early exits from Wimbledon,Roger and Rafa are still the most popular and most talked about players,just goes to show how much that they are missed when not playing ;)..


Kimberly Says:

wow reading all this-write Fedal off at your own peril. Last time I checked, they played the final in Rome when No1e lost early and the last grand slam was won by Rafa, who beat No1e in the semi (and leads in the point race, even if Ferrer or Murray won the tournament I don’t even think they come close to him, No1e would of course overtake him)


Long Live The King Says:

Thank you Skeezer, Volley, Margot. I hope I will make some inroads as a tennis writer and I will invite you guys over to my blog sometime.

Margot:

My criticism of Murray is mostly due to my own very high expectations of him. I hope he puts an end to everything this year. 1Wimbledon is all I want for Andy. Once he wins it we will ask for some more US Opens and even more Wimbledons and other good stuff. LOL!


metan Says:

Thanks James for the link. Hope Rafa and Roger will play on hardcourt soon.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Kimberly great post,indeed people have very short memories,Rafas been in every final of every tourney since his return except this Wimbledon,one loss and boom hes finished,Roger is obviously getting older,but with all hes achieved im sure he will bounce back,theres much tennis still to be played in the rest of the year,so it will be interesting to see what unfolds,and they will both be fresh and rested for the American HC swing.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

I will join in the chorus of approval for Long Live The King,very insightfull,also very clever and knowledgeable.


moam Says:

Fascinatingly bizarre first week at Wimby. So, in that same nutty vein, here is my assessment of 2013 Wimbledon so far.
Don’t laugh, I’m serious.
http://martinstake128.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/2013-wimbledon-a-haunting/

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