Djokovic Opens Summer Hardcourt Season Tuesday In Montreal; Nadal Playing Doubles
by Staff | August 6th, 2013, 12:02 am
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Novak Djokovic opens his 2-time Canadian Open title defense Tuesday night in Montreal against German Florian Mayer. Djokovic enters Canada as the world No. 1 but has just one title since Dubai (Monte Carlo) and trails Rafael Nadal in the 2013 points race.

The Serb is 4-0 lifetime against Mayer having never lost a set including a first round win at Wimbledon in June. Mayer was a three-set winner over Bernard Tomic today.

Also tomorrow, Canadian No. 1 Milos Raonic hopes to end his slump against Frenchman Jeremy Chardy. The 22-year-old Raonic finished 2012 ranked No. 13 which is also his current ranking. Raonic won in San Jose but has done little since and the pressure will be on the star to give his home fans something to cheer about this week.

Chardy, a quarterfinalist at the Australian Open, is enjoying his best season to date.

Tommy Haas, John Isner, Gilles Simon and Wimbledon semifinalist Jerzy Janowicz are also scheduled. As is Rafael Nadal who’ll team with Pablo Andujar to face David Ferrer and Feliciano Lopez in all-Spanish doubles.

Earlier today, Kei Nishikori dashed the hopes of the locals when he came back to beat Canadian qualifier Peter Polansky 4-6, 6-4, 6-2.

Denis Istomin kept Janko Tipsarevic in his funk defeating the Serb 6-4, 6-3. Tipsarevic, who’ll likely fall outside the Top 20 with the loss, has just seven wins since Australian and is just 14-16 on the year after finishing 2012 inside the Top 10. And Ernests Gulbis put together an impressive 7-6, 6-4 victory over Feliciano Lopez.

“I’m pleased with my win,” said Gulbis. “It was a tough first set. I couldn’t find my rhythm. I hit four double faults in one game, which was a bit tragic. But I played well on a couple of important points in the tiebreak. It’s difficult to come back on hard courts when you’ve been playing on clay and grass for a while.”

In the women’s competition in Toronto, Sloane Stephens held off fellow 20-year-old Kristina Mladenovic 6-2, 7-6. Stephens, who’s done so well in Slams, finally enjoyed a decent win at the WTA level.

“I just needed to play a lot more,” Stephens said after the win. “I needed to play more sets, just needed to get back into it. I was still in vacation mode and needed to get back to reality. It’s business time again.

“It’s definitely good to get a win here. I’d never played here before, and it’s definitely a totally new atmosphere for me, totally new conditions. But I’m definitely happy to get a win out there tonight.”

Stephens said after injuring her ab at Wimbledon she went to Hawaii to get a break, and so far it’s paid off.

Dominika Cibulkova, Mona Barthel, Flavia Pennetta and Sorana Cirstea were among the other winners on Monday. Tomorrow in Toronto Canadian starlet Genie Bouchard headlines the night session with Agnieszka Radwanska while in the day it’s the return of Venus Williams who faces Wimbledon semifinalist Kirsten Flipkens.

Because of the back injury, the 33-year-old Venus hasn’t played since a first round loss at the French Open.


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153 Comments for Djokovic Opens Summer Hardcourt Season Tuesday In Montreal; Nadal Playing Doubles

RZ Says:

Why is Rafa playing doubles? It can’t be good for his knees to be doing double duty on a hard court.


Nadalista Says:

@RZ, true. But he needs match play to get into rithym after an extended lay-off.


Steve 27 Says:

Doubles is fun.


skeezer Says:

^only when Rafa is playing, no?
Hehe….

No one posts hardly when the Bryan Bros. are kicking a$$ every year..just sayin. The premier kick a$$ doubles fun to watch team.

And if you don’t enjoy watchin them play doubs, your just a poster girl fan lookin for armani underwear shots….


Colin Says:

Nice picture of Nole “chillin’ with his bitches” (apologies to feminists).

I’ll tell you one thing – it’s a good thing Ivan Lendl doesn’t take any of his ferocious German Shepherds when he travels to tournaments!


El Flaco Says:

I think this is more evidence that Nadal is definitely not going to play in Cincy unless he loses his 1st match in both singles and doubles here.


Dan Martin Says:

My ATP picks today – http://tennisabides.com/2013/08/06/tennis-masters-canada-predictions-for-august-6/

Rafa has never really liked Cincy. The Ohio River Valley humidity is worse than the bad days at the USO most years. I will say this Summer has had so much rain that it is actually not humid as of yet in the greater Cincy area.


Kimberly Says:

One of the girls in Stanford was complaining about the heat and humidity lol. THe commentators were saying OMG wait until she gets to Cincinnatti!


Kimberly Says:

Just a florida update, it is so hot on the courts right now, temperature on the hard courts over 100 degrees. Need to wear three dresses a match. If I don’t change the dripping sweat will cause me to slip. I need to change my grip every two games and bring three pairs of wrist bands.


Giles Says:

@Dan Martin. That’s a nice site you’ve got going. Will explore more fully later.


Brando Says:

@Dan Martin: great picks, great site and love your piece on Andy’s win at Wimby!:-)


Carl Says:

Very rarely the winner of Rogers cup wins the USO. Lets see how it turns out this year.


Carl Says:

skeezer Says:
“No one posts hardly when the Bryan Bros. are kicking a$$ every year..”

You are right…that includes you and your gansters as well.

Why dont you just start doing it instead of preaching others ?

#TooDesperate
#FindaOldAgeHome


skeezer Says:

Carl
i have posted numerous times about Bryan Bros. Where have u been?

#failingatmultiplemonikers


RZ Says:

I love watching doubles. I spend the majority of the time I go to Indian Wells watching doubles. I just don’t think doubles on a hard court is good for Rafa’s knees. I also agree that the Bryan Bros are under-rated. They’ve had a phenomenal 12 months and if they win the US Open, they’ll hold the calendar Grand Slam.


El Flaco Says:

Nadal will be very jjjjjappy if Benneteau beats Janowicz.


Josh39485 Says:

Carl Says:
“Very rarely the winner of Rogers cup wins the USO. Lets see how it turns out this year.”

Since 2000,Rogers Cup-US Open double has been done by the following people:

2000 – Marat Safin
2003 – Andy Roddick (who also won Cincinnati)
2004 – Roger Federer
2006 – Roger Federer
2011 – Novak Djokovic

So 5 times in the last 13 years – I think there’s a good chance this year could be the 6th occasion actually.


James Says:

^ why would Nadal fear Janowicz now? David Ferrer had no problem dealing with the big Pole. Nadal will routine him should they meet. I’m watching JJ’s match with Benneteau. Neither look good enough to hang with Nadal.


Nadalista Says:

^^why would he be? I’m sure Rafa would rather face Jerzy here for the first time than at Flushing Meadows.

Rafa and Andujar just dropped the first set 67 in the dubs. He might as well drop the second and conserve energy for tomorrow. No sense in exerting himself to win by going the distance and paying for it tomorrow.

Vamos!


Ben Pronin Says:

If the Bryans win the US Open I will be beyond thrilled. It’ll cement their place as the greatest doubles team ever without a shred of doubt.


James Says:

Ben, aren’t the Bryans the doubles GOAT already? I hope they win the US Open too.


Giles Says:

Vamos! Rafa and Pablo won!


James Says:

wow really @Giles? Didn’t they lose the first set 6-7 something? So what’s the final score if the match is over?


Giles Says:

@James. 2nd set 6-1 and then super TB 12-10. Good, no?


James Says:

Very good, Giles. Thanks.


Nadalista Says:

Oh Rafa, you just have to give it your all, don’t you?

He must have been enjoying himself out there, good to see!

Good luck tomorrow, Rafa!


Dan Martin Says:

Thanks for the compliments on my site! I do not mean to imply that Rafa is not fit when I mention Cincy’s humidity. My only point is that Rafa is not a huge fan of the surface for his game and knees and the humidity adds an extra element that could be taxing. If he does reasonably well in Montreal I would expect him to give his knees a rest.


Ben Pronin Says:

James, for sure. But what better way than to this to really cement themselves as the undisputed greatest. I would also like to see them get to about 20 majors. One thing that always surprises me is that they have, what seems like, a small number of majors considering all of their other records are so huge.


M Says:

I hear doubs was really exciting today – saved match points, all manner of drama.
I can’t believe ESPN doesn’t have coverage.

*rolls eyes generally at US networks*


Anna Says:

Rafa is almost as exciting to watch in doubles as he is in singles. He’s smart about playing doubles. He’ll cut back on his practice time so not to be on the court for more than he needs to be. Doubles better similates a match and prepares him better than practice. Another dubs match or two and he’ll probably be done.

Dan – I was surprised that he actually signed up for Cinci. It would be good if he played there point wise, but the conditions in Cincinatti are tough, so if there’s any question at all about knees or conditioning I’d rather he pass.


Kimberly Says:

I have heard the heat in cincy causes that particular court that particular play faster. Not sure why. In Miami the humid conditions slow the ball down. Maybe the type of hardcourt? Anyone know?


Giles Says:

http://alturl.com/s8maf
Rafa fans. Like the trophy? Lol


harry Says:

@Kimberly,

Hotter conditions will lower the air density resulting in a smaller air drag; this leads to slightly faster conditions. But having higher humidity will also lead to a lower density. So just having higher humidity cannot be causing Miami courts to be slower (in fact it must be making it slightly faster!). It must be the courts (ie the material used) in either case.


harry Says:

An interesting interview with Darren Cahill at changeovertennis. DC talks about Fed, Tomic and a few other topics:

http://www.changeovertennis.com/behind-the-scenes-an-interview-with-darren-cahill/


harry Says:

By the way i really appreciate Tennis-X for introducing the “guidelines” near the “comment box”…


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Harry haha yeah i wondered about that myself,about time too.


Brando Says:

@Giles: LOL, on the video and yeah some trophy!


harry Says:

I was looking at mat4′s wonderful post last year calculating the Elo ratings of the current players.

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2012-02-09/8844.php#comment-246858

However there seem to be a couple of issues with the calculation and I would like to implement the method myself; I wonder if any of you have access to some kind of a tennis database of match results over the last few years. I know that ATP gives out the results on its website, but the download & clean up is really cumbersome. I wonder how he got the data himself…

The issues/thoughts for revisiting it are:
a) Even granting that the top 4 were dominant, why do the ratings drop so precipitously for eg., from the 5th ranked player to the 25th ranked player?
b) It is odd that the confidence intervals drop from Nole down despite players playing fewer matches? I know that the rating also drops and that has an effect…
c) And lastly it would be good to look at the rating this year…


harry Says:

Thinking through my post at 5:12 pm again –

There is an additional factor that I had ignored; at higher humidity levels the tennis ball absorbs moisture and becomes heavier (and therefore slower). So that could a counteracting factor to the lower air density & drag introduced by higher humidity…

A test of this theory: ie if the heaviness of the ball due to humidity was a important factor to its slowness, then ball changes must make them lighter and therefore faster. I don’t remember Miami exactly… I wonder if that is that really the case?


M Says:

“Canadian No. 1 Milos Raonic hopes to end his slump against Frenchman Jeremy Chardy. “

Took him three sets, but he did it.

I can’t imagine he didn’t have somewhere in the back of his mind, “Two Canadians have already won today and I have the support of the home crowd — I can’t mess up.”


M Says:

@Ben –

“One thing that always surprises me is that they have, what seems like, a small number of majors considering all of their other records are so huge.”

Don’t they have a double Golden Career Slam or some such insanity? I don’t think it gets much better than that.

Bryans = Doubles GOATs


Nina Says:

Very good first match from Djokovic even though Meyer is always a tricky player. Was fun to watch and the crowd seemed to enjoyed it very much too.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Harry- yes, the new balls play significantly faster than the moisture laden balls.

If Rafa has the current lead in the points race, and has NO points to defend from here on, it certainly makes him by far the favourite to finish year end no 1.

Has anyone done calculations of what Novak needs to do to retain top spot? I imagine if he wins USO and Rafa fails to make the semi-finals that would go a long way towards it. (Novak would gain 800 while Rafa would gain only 360).


Gordon Says:

5 (count ‘em) Canadian men through to the second round in Montreal. Raonic (seeded) and 4 wild cards, with each of the WCs playing above their heads, including Pospisil taking out Isner in 3. Way to go boys; that’s the first time ever that has happened.


Humble Rafa Says:

Bryans = Doubles GOATs

There are no Double GOATS. There are GOAT and then they are baby GOATs. I am willing to franchise the baby GOAT term, if that is necessary.


skeezer Says:

^
*Scroll*


skeezer Says:

@TV
“Has anyone done calculations of what Novak needs to do to retain top spot?”
Would like to see that also. All I have been reading here is how Rafa is leading Rafa is leading Rafa is leading….lol.

one minor ….butt.

Nole is still #1 as of this year to August 2013. Doesn’t matter who is leading, but who actually has the points and is Numero Uno.


Bad Knee Rules Says:

“If Rafa has the current lead in the points race, and has NO points to defend from here on, it certainly makes him by far the favourite to finish the year no 1.”

Wrong. In that case (year to date) Novak has NO points to defend either and he is better HC/Indoor player.


POV Says:

Nina @9:46
I agree. A nice match for Nole and dance afterward.

Skeezer @11:11
I don’t know what he has to do but I think in November he passes Borg for weeks at number one?


Brando Says:

@POV: JANE! Your back! LOL, why the new name? The weeks at no.1 Borg reference with a question mark at the end was a dead give away LOL. Good to see you back and DM’s long gone so it’s cool. :-)


Nadalista Says:

Nice one @Giles! Rafa’s such a trooper……


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Is POV Jane?anyway its lovely to have you back posting whatever your name is?and a very solid 1st round match,from your favorite yipee :-))


Skeezer Says:

@POV
Thanks and so nice to see fresh posting. Keep it comin with the Nole cheer. After all, he is number 1!

The Rafanatic takeover was getting old.

———-

Here is the latest Rafafanatic blog highlights;

Rafafanatic1;
Like the trophy?
Rafafanatic2:
Nice one! Rafa is such a trooper, love his bite.
Rafafanatic1;
Look at this link, Rafa in Armani underwear on the beach!
Rafafanatic2:
Oh that is what tennis is all about, great post!
Rafafanatic1: no sense Rafa exerts himselff for doubles, its ok he lose
Rafafanatic2; Oh…wait…”our” Rafa won! He is the GOAT of doubles now, no?. This is a sign , he now will win somethng, no? Oh Rafa, we luv you!
Rafafanatic1;
More links and sexy pics coming, I will post soon, he is our hero. The latest is I heard he will not marry until he finds the perfect “fan”. Then, only then, he will choose the lucky fan who shows the most Love.
Rafafanatic2; OMG, OMG, OMG!!! Rafaaaaaaaa!,


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Skeezer lol,but please remember we are not all like that,just saying.


Margot Says:

@ staff
Thanx for the guidelines. They are brilliant and hopefully will make TX an even better place to be AND encourage lots of new fans. Talking of which:
Hey you all, I’m certain POV is NOT jane, though the measured tone of his/her post does indeed indicate certain similarities… Must be a bit alarming for POV to be jumped on like that tbh.
Hoping these new guidelines will encourage jane to come back. She is sorely missed.


Margot Says:

Skeeze @1.46
Surely that is against the new guidelines? And what is written elsewhere is surely not relevant to Tx?
You are doing unnecessary pot stirring.


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Margot i agree about the new guidelines,not a minute too soon,hopefully the bullying will now cease,you and i have both been on the end of it,and it aint nice,as regards to POV maybe she will tell us if she is our Jane with a new monikor,or maybe she will keep it a secret lol,but i agree in that Janes posts are greatly missed anyway.


nadalista Says:

Oh Margot, Margot 2:13 am; and you are surprised sometimes you are accused of being a closet Rafan, and targetted for it?

But don’t worry love, we Rafans are used to the abuse and take on board the Brando Doctrine: Just ignore!

Don’t wanna see sensible posters like you targetted for abuse “on our behalf”…….

Anyhoo………

It’s Rafatime today in Montreal, Yay!

Vamos Rafa!!


nadalista Says:

RAFA ‪#‎NADAL‬: “I am better. I would like to be better than what I am today, but I am competing, and it gives me positive energy.”

Just seeing you on court, competing, gives US your fans positive energy, Rafa!

Vamos!!!!


Brando Says:

Re Guidelines: Agree with Alison and Margot: they are very welcome and timely. A detergent for the trolls, genuine bullies and those who contribute nothing other than harassing other posters. And they also deter folks like me. Sometimes I have been far too blunt and gone onto the warpath feeling peeved about certain aspects. That’s me though: if I have something on my mind I always say it. Usually pretty bluntly. But that- of course- detracts from the tennis and doesn’t engage in what I am here for in the first place: discussion of the game. From hereforth I’ll now engage in what Nadalista lovely labelled the ‘Brando Doctrine’ and just ignore the pot stirring.


Brando Says:

Re Jane: POV is definitely Jane, trust me. The focus on Novak, the knowing something yet being unsure about it, the keeping upto date with the weeks at no.1 ranking, longstated wish that Novak surpasses Borg on that front, measured, friendly tone etc etc. It’s Jane. One can change their username but not their characteristics- especially when so overly familiar to others. As I said before: she’s welcome back for sure!


Brando Says:

@Nadalista: LOL, thanks on the doctrine thing! I do hope you and Giles subscribe to it though. Just ignore the bait from the usual quarter. You and Giles are innocently picked upon by some for one reason: your passion for Rafa. Ignore ‘that’ noise, the bait they attempt so blatantly towards you and continue posting on Rafa. Others such as I welcome it, enjoy it and like to see it. Vamos!:-)


Brando Says:

@Margot: thank you for your 2.13 post. For a fair poster such as you to call out such obvious pot stirring when their is ZERO need for it just underlines how out of place it must be. Especially with the guidelines set now. I hope the TX admin take note: especially when such bait, pot stirring and harassing is so consistently done by some who should know way better by now. Harassing fans for supporting certain players should no longer be tolerated.


nadalista Says:

@Brando, thanks mate!

It’s all good really. On the whole it’s just banter, nothing wrong in that and I take it in that spirit mostly. I know what to do if I feel a poster has crossed the line…..

Yes,will definitely use the “Brando Doctrine” more!


nadalista Says:

……..and don’t worry, nothing and nobody will ever stop me posting about Rafa, within the tennis-x rules and guidelines of course.

If a poster doesn’t like my posts, it’s very simple: just apply the Brando Doctrine!


harry Says:

@TV (10:19) —

Thanks for the input re new balls.

Re Nole: Yes he is defending a truck load of points — Canada (W), Cincy (F), USO (F), Shanghai (F), and Tour Finals (W); and Rafa has nothing to defend with a lead in the YTD points… Let us see…


Margot Says:

@nadalista
Ah, a pre-emptive bid, u r a bridge player perchance?
I would’ve written exactly the same if someone had brought inflammatory stuff, from elsewhere, about Nole/Fed/Andy or any other player tbh . What gets written on another site should stay there. It’s only the business of the other posters on that site, or the moderators. If someone has a problem, why they should address it ON THAT SITE.
Otherwise it’s all too easy to make false accusations about people, as I have found to my cost.


nadalista Says:

@Margot, afraid I don’t play bridge dear, not THAT bright, you see……

Andy and Rafa are playing today…….ching-ching!

#SuperWednesday


Kimberly Says:

Harry, in 2011 fed was complaining Miami was so humid it was like a slow clay court. Thanks to you and TV for the response.

Where are these guidelines? I don’t see. How am I missing this.


Ben Pronin Says:

Brando, POV is not Jane.


harry Says:

@Kimberly –

“in 2011 fed was complaining Miami was so humid it was like a slow clay court”
Personally, i wish they removed IW or Miami (or both) and added a Grass masters (ie making Halle & Queens as masters and serializing them). But then shifting a bunch of tournies around to create time is not going to be happen :(

BTW the guidelines is near “Leave a Comment”… I can’t believe you don’t have it; unless that is IP specific :-)


Skeezer Says:

@staff
Yes! Love the new guidelines and thanks!


holdserve Says:

Are the guidelines new? I saw them at least a month ago. They were probably always there but have now been put in a more visible and accessible spot.


holdserve Says:

I don’t think Queens could be a Masters. Too small. I also don’t think we will have more grass Masters. Grass is expensive and difficult to maintain.
Let Miami and Cincy be converted to clay. Clay is a solid traditional tennis surface unlike hard court synthetic stuff.
But at least the slam and Masters hard court surfaces are professionally maintained.
Not like the WTF surface which is a joke. It is hurriedly laid a few days before the start on a site where all kinds of events like jazz etc are held.
The players get huge money and points and get treated like royalty including invitation from Downing Street. Fans have fun with music and lights.
It is an end of the year celebration climaxing with the crowning of the no. 1 so I guess the unprofessional surface doesn’t matter.


skeezer Says:

One of the differences between other sports and Tennis is the variety of surfaces it’s played on. You have to have a complete game to Champion all of them. Increasing Clay courts is not the answer. Money? The Tennis game has lots of it, they can afford to increase the variety of courts and keep them maintained. More Grass!


Giles Says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvob21jFFKI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Rafa fans. Some highlights of yesterday’s doubles match.


metan Says:

@ Skeezer,

To maintain the grass court is very costly. In my place we never have. Hoe could we can afford to have good grass court player if the player hardly to play on the grass. Money is big issue and then the weather although I like to play on grass one day. All I have here is hard court. I have no idea about other country.


metan Says:

@Hold serve
The traditional tennis court is grass not clay. Please check on wiki.

But I do love to have more variety of tennis court not all clay or hard or grass. Balance will be nice and more exciting, IMO.


metan Says:

Giles,
Thanks for the link, I will watch it.


Ben Pronin Says:

I miss carpet. Why did they do away with it?


metan Says:

May be carpet can have many people injured because of slipery and hardly people knows about carpet court.


Ben Pronin Says:

Carpet isn’t slippery. It was around for so long until about 5 or 6 years ago when they completely removed it as a surface.


Brando Says:

Re Surface: 3 clay masters is enough. HC should be limited to 3 NOT 5! Should have 1 or 2 grass MS and indoor be 1 or 2 plus WTF. Variety is the spice of life. 2 HC slams and 5 HC MS is taking the mick. AO should go indoors. So many folks far too quickly label player x,y, z as all court when the reality is: nearly all courts play the same. And most of them are not true to their traditional traits. Miami is so slow it’s laughable almost to call it a HC tourny.


metan Says:

Atp never gives a reason why did they dismiss carpet court? I have never seen any carpet court in my life.
When I said slipery I just guess, any other factor had played on it like ball bauncing, maintenance of carpet?


Giles Says:

@Brando. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t tennis considered to be an outdoor sport?


Brando Says:

@Giles: it is. That’s why the likes of Andy Murray complained about the roof at Wimby. All over the world it’s played as, seen as a outdoor game. Hence: when what said to be a outdoor tourny starts getting the indoor treating then it’s understandable to see it as a joke. Indoor is a small part of the game for a while now though. Hence why ONLY Paris and the WTF are played as such. And WTF could go outdoor HC, clay etc since that’s a year end showcase event. I don’t have a problem with it TBH: it’s small potatoes, so hardly hurts the game really.


Kimberly Says:

Obviously I’m from Florida so I consider tennis an outdoor sport. However, I imagine in the rest of the world where it actually gets cold, the only way to play tennis is indoors so there must be a bunch of indoor facilities yes?


Brando Says:

Indoor treatment> indoor treating.


tennisx hippy chic Says:

As much as i enjoy the FO and clay,AO,USO and the rest of the HC season,for me you just cannot beat Wimbledon and the GC season,IMO its the epitome of the tennis season,the one GS everybody wants to win,the GS everybody talks about more than any other,i always suffer a downer when Wimbledon and the GC season is over,it should be longer,agree with Harry in that there should be a GC masters.


Kimberly Says:

or do people not play tennis in the winter where its cold. I cant even imagine playing indoors although I would assume its easier and takes less skill in some ways (not having to read the wind, serve in the sun etc)


Brando Says:

@Kimberly: here in Britain there are indoor facilities. But the truth is: generally in Britain Tennis is seen as a summer sport, and tends to be played outdoor.


Kimberly Says:

Indian Wells and Miami two of my favorite events to watch. Australia too. I think I like to watch slow hardcourt tennis and clay best. I wonder why?


tennisx hippy chic Says:

I hate the roof at Wimbledon,as its supposed to be an outdoor tournament,its monkeying with tradition and the whole point of Wimbledon,sure it rains,as it always has done in Blighty every year,nothing new we are sooo used to it,IMO part of the idea of been a tennis player is how you deal with the elements rain or shine,if your good enough to win,you will win whatever the weather.


Brando Says:

You look at the top players today: Rafa, Fed, Novak started on clay. Muzza went to Spain to learn his stuff there. Continental Europe predominately favours clay. North America outdoor HC. Elsewhere it would be one or the other. When you think about it: indoor is the least appealing surface to play on. I bet in any poll it would rank bottom as to which surface of choice someone would like to play tennis on. I have ONLY played on outdoor HC during summer. Heck it’s difficult but so much fun to be outdoors in the summer with friends, others and enjoying a great atmosphere. Indoor doesn’t hold the same appeal at all for me.


harry Says:

“monkeying with tradition”
Ha ha! Well may be even monkeys have tradition :-) At least I read an article by Jane Goodall…

But personally, i start to feel impatient while watching a match and it starts to rain [and they go for an indefinite break]. So i like the roof :-)

Yeah, but nothing like watching Wimbledon! “The cathedral of tennis” as said by you-know-who.


Brando Says:

@Alison: agree. IF you buy something and it says it is one thing on the tin but turns out to be something else I can understand people feeling rather peeved. Wimby is a outdoor grass tourny: now when it goes indoor it no longer is what it’s said to be. It’s something different. Hence: I completely agree to Andy being peeved when the roof went on during the Janowicz match. Umpire fluffed his lines IMO!


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Harry dont get me wrong i hate the rain delays too,but i just think it adds some excitement,it gets into the players heads of how they will handle things,sorts the men out from the boys lol:-)),who said the cathedral of tennis though?


Brando Says:

In terms of preference to watch: 1- clay: love to see the genius do his thing, the long rallies, variety etc 2- tie between Grass (the uniqueness) AO, IW and Miami (love the events, setting, atmosphere, competition) 4- USO swing: it’s entertaining and seems like a last hurrah to the summer 5- indoor: during gloomy winter here in UK seems strange to watch.


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Brando yeah thanks,i like that philosophy,you also get that strange echo when the roof is closed too.


harry Says:

@HC: Rafa said it after winning the 2008 match [that is my recollection of it].

Yeah, you have a point — it clearly shows how someone handles breaks etc; and also how you “turn on” and “turn off” your focus during these times. I agree with you here… but as a spectator i would like to know that i am investing a stretch of 3 or 4 hours of my time — not the whole day or that i may even have to continue watching the next day [like it happened with USO]…


metan Says:

I couldn’t stand the noisy of indoor court. But I use it on winter, no choice.


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Harry mmm yeah true you indeed make a very sound point there,in 2010 i was ready and waiting for that final at the USO,and i didnt have get up for work the next day,only to have it postponed,then i watched it the very next evening,and had to get up for work the very next morning,and run after 27 old people feeling absolutely knackered,as the saying goes be carefull what you wish for,all worth it though im pleased to say :-))..


harry Says:

ha ha, HC!


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Nice tennis discussion going on here now.


Ben Pronin Says:

Metafan, I’d guess maintenance, too. But I don’t know. It’s a quick surface, but I don’t think it was slippery for the actual players.

Yeah I don’t think an indoor slam is necessary. That’s sorta what WTF tends to be, anyway. Hard courts shouldn’t be limited to 3 Masters. The current system works, for the most part. I do think that they should make one of them non-mandatory like Monte Carlo, though. Like Paris. Good old useless Paris.


Ben Pronin Says:

I much much much much much prefer playing tennis indoors. And we’ve seen some incredible indoor matches from the pros. But I’d agree that tennis is first an outdoor sport.


skeezer Says:

Tennis was founded inside, with four walls and a roof. Tennis never started out as an “Outdoor” sport. It evolved there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_tennis

As Ben mentioned, playing indoors is awesome for the Player ( as long as the lighting is good ). You take out the elements of nature, and the ball striking becomes more precise and the sound of the ball hitting the racket is awesome.


Ben Pronin Says:

“sound of the ball hitting the racket is awesome.”

Love that sound. Love that feel.


tennisx hippy chic Says:

IMO The special thing about tennis is completing the career GS,it means you have done the lot,and have adapted to each surface,achieved something special,that not many players can say they have done,even when they retire im sure the one thing they would wish to achieve would be at least one GS on every surface.


Nadalista Says:

Well done Muzza, time for the Bull!


Nadalista Says:

Hmmm, Ernie’s on another HC run………bundled out the Fog.


Margot Says:

Thought Andy looked very impressive given tricky conditions, getting used to balls etc. Some classic Murray magic in the last few games.
Forehand was really cooking too and Fleming was very complimentary about it. :)
Cheers nadalista, now lets see how your Rafa’s looking. :)


Margot Says:

Bundled? 3 sets?
Apparently got a time violation and promptly served underarm.
Well, why wouldn’t you?


Nadalista Says:

Watched Muzza @Margot and you know, that forehand is no longer a weakness, methinks. I honestly think it is developing into a weapon, thanks to Coach Lendl…..


Nadalista Says:

Which head case got the time violation? Ernie or the Fog? You know, with those two you’re only a forehand away from a meltdown……..

Still, expected the Fog to take care of Ernie given his hot streak this summer and all……


Nadalista Says:

Bull’s in the house! Oh la la, love that yellow……….Rafa’s I mean. Jesse’s a copycat…………


Margot Says:

@nadalista
U and Fleming are singing from the same hymn sheet re the forehand.
Gulbis!


courbon Says:

@ Brando or Hippy Chic: Hi, just come back ( been away since last thursday )and did not been on TX.So fill me in-Whats up?Not the obvious stuff like:
Brando fiercly defending Rafa in CAPITAL LETTERS
or Skeezer and Giles bitching each other or Harry giving us new mathematic formula about serving ( I envy the mind of that man )
but more like:Is anybody back? (Jane, Wog Boy, Dave???), who is getting bullied , what is latest WAR about (surface debate, Novaks family or classic-GOAT debate?)
Regarding tennis, I can see Novak had easy first round.How was Andy today ?


holdserve Says:

skeezer, real tennis is only the name of that sport. What is tennis has evolved from lawn tennis. Initially only on grass, grass and clay and later grass, clay and hard courts. It is an outdoor sport.


harry Says:

@Courbon:

ha ha! thanks :-) Great to have you back; and love your perspectives…

Yes, I had the same question with a bunch of posters, and I have left a message for them (ie in case they drop by here accidentally) on another thread…


holdserve Says:

Just calling something real, doesn’t make it more legitimate. We even have table tennis which is played on table and indoors. There are different types of tennis. Shouldn’t introduce fallacious arguments into discussions to mislead and misinform.


Giles Says:

Well done Rafa.
Vamos king!!


nadalista Says:

Job done Rafa!

Was rusty, especially in the first set, too many forehand errors, feel on the ball was a little off, 1st serve percentage needs to improve. Levine didn’t help his cause with all those double faults, seemed to give up in the second set, pity.

62 60, Rafa’ll take it……..

Vamos!!


holdserve Says:

Vamos Rafa! He played aggressively. Jerzy had better watch out!!!
Rafa’s forehand will improve as he gets more matches under his belt. If he does get to the finals, he will be lethal. I do believe he will go all out to win. Djoko also looks serious about making a statement. With Muzza, can’t say.


skeezer Says:

@holdserve,
Just do the research. The game of Tennis, period, was not invented on grass. And you don’t start misinforming people. Also, It is played indoors as well as outdoors, regardless of what is is known for, and will continue as such.


nadalista Says:

The forehand was already tighter in the 2nd set @holdserve, most of those errors were in the 1st.

Watching Jerzy now………..


Nativenewyorker Says:

Thoughts on Rafa’s first match.

He definitely is rusty right now. To be expected. He had a lot of errors on the forehand side in that first set. However, I think as the match went on Rafa got more comfortable and played better. Levine was never going to challenge Rafa. Nine double faults? His serving stats were atrocious.

Rafa’s first serve percentage needs to be higher. First serve points won – 76%. Decent for his first match

Second serve points won – 61%

Winners – 14
UE’s – 16

The high UE’s is to be expected. But I think this match gave Rafa a nice workout and a feel for the court.

I noticed that Rafa’s draw has opened up. Paire beat Wawa and Matesovic won when Haas retired. Now we have to see if Jerzy will make it through to meet Rafa. That will be interesting, for sure!


Kimberly Says:

I missed the match. Did he look happy and what was he wearing?


James Says:

Well played, Rafa!
The first 4 games in the first set I thought was pretty average. Rafa was more aggressive in the second set and got his forehand to do some talking. 6-0 that’s sending a message. One of the favorites for the title in my book now.

Levine was a bit too nervous though, quite a few DFs there.


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Courbon hi,firstly i hope you have had a lovely holidy,as for Jane,Wogboy,Dave,well Dave has not posted this year from what i can remember,Jane posted on the comments section of the backet challenge,saying the joy had pretty much gone out of posting,due to all the Nole hatred,Conty said she wouldnt post if Jane doesnt or words to that effect,Wogboy said he would post now and again,but whether Nole wins or loses he wouldnt post during the HC season,its sad and hope after a break they all have a change of heart,as they are all great and very knowledgeable posters.


Steve 27 Says:

AO is the least important major. Should be 3 year on hard, 3 years on clay and 3 years on grass.
So everyone would have a chance to win it and have for 3 years 2 majors on grass, 2 majors and on clay and 2 majors on hardcourt. Most fair, is not it?


tennisx hippy chic Says:

^Brando suspects that new poster POV is actually Jane with a new monikor,as there seems alot of similarities in their posts hmmm.


Giles Says:

http://alturl.com/oi76x
@Kimberly. Some pics for you.


nadalista Says:

RT @juanjo_sports: “Janowicz gets predictable with his FH approaches (always cross-court), Dancevic was waiting, and fires a FH DTL pass. Roars.”

I hope Francis Roig is taking note……


nadalista Says:

………or maybe Roig should be studying Dancevic. He just broke JJ in the 2nd set……..


Brando Says:

Re Rafa fans: missed the match but thanks for your In depth feedback. Much appreciated. Sounds like a reasonable return match by Rafa. The more he plays the better for him. Glad he has another match due for him. Vamos!


Brando Says:

Re Muzza: Saw some of it. He looked serious, focused and all business. Just what I was hoping for. Margot: your boy has the look of some mean intent!:-)


Brando Says:

Agree with Alison: great Conversation, back and forth and posts by all. Fun to read!


harry Says:

Did any of you (Rafa fans) notice his service motion today? From Giles’ link, it doesn’t seem to be his 2010-USO-rocket-serve motion. I mean, his left arm is still going far out (whereas his 2010 USO action would have started rising up towards the trophy-position)…


Brando Says:

@Courbon: glad your back my fav poster! :-) you were missed. Nothing much was missed but your time for the tennis. Your boy looks like he wants to let everyone know who the sheriff is in town. Mean stuff. New guidelines are in place Courbon so everyone including I shall pull up their socks interms of their behaviour here. Early verdict: seems like a nice atmosphere here already and don’t worry about Novak getting picked on since:1- with the guidelines no one is going to harass other posters 2- HC season means Novak does all the bullying of players LOL. Stick around and enjoy it!:-)


tennisx hippy chic Says:

I miss his USO 2010 type of serve which had more pop on it.


harry Says:

^– I thought i read somewhere that it was a deliberate choice by Toni/Rafa to have a slower serve so that it gives him time to get in position for the return. But yeah, that was a lethal serve :)


Brando Says:

@Alison: thing is that serve caused more stress to his shoulder. Hence why he got rid of it. I thinks he’s fine without it. He’s serving generally fine, and on the big points he’s still pretty good on serve.


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Harry/Brando yeah true in both cases,i have to go to bed so ill speak to you all tomorrow,ive really enjoyed todays tennis chats,good night all zzzzzz lol.


Giles Says:

So, next for Rafa is JJ!
Vamos Rafa!


skeezer Says:

@alison,

He developed shoulder problems either during or soon after USO 2010. I could never find why he went back to his regular serve but that may have been it…..


Nativenewyorker Says:

@Kimberly,

Regarding your post @4:24 pm, Rafa looked gorgeous in yellow! So it was yellow shirt and kind of grayish blue shorts. Tanned and just looking fabulous!

He seemed really focused and at times you could see that look in his face when he missed a forehand or a backhand. But he needs to keep going for those shots, even if he overhits them. He looked much better as the match continued. He just took over in the second set. Levine couldn’t handle Rafa’s forehand. I think he kind of gave up. His crappy serving didn’t help either. Rafa’s serving was decent, I think three aces and one or two double faults.

He’s not wearing the tape on his knee! Yippee! He seemed happy to get that first win. Now he goes up against JJ. The only reason I am a little nervous is because Rafa isn’t match ready. I think JJ will come out aggressive and blasting. Rafa will have to use his smarts and savvy out there.

It’s interesting because if Rafa does beat JJ, then he has a much easier path because Wawa and Haas are out. It would be either Paire or Matesovic for the quarterfinals.


James Says:

So JJ’s made it to the 3rd round to face Rafa.
I think it’s good for Rafa to go through a good player like JJ before facing his biggest rival in recent years, Novak Djokovic, in the semi final. Rafa IMO should be able to handle JJ well if he is to win the title in Montreal. Exciting match ahead.


Brando Says:

JJ is definitely a much needed test for Rafa. Much welcome one: win or lose IMO.


metan Says:

just wake up and see the score,,62 60 yoohoooo.
Nice score from my Rafaaaaaaaaaaa , ♥♥♥! I am going to watch my tape. Ting!!!!!!


holdserve Says:

I am really excited. Djokovic, Muzza and Rafa all seem to be ready to win. I am 99% sure that Muzza will beat Delpo. If Rafa gets to the semis, it is 50: 50 for Rafa: Djoko. If Rafa gets to final, I favor him for the win whether it is against Muzza or Delpo. At any rate I am sure Muzza will prefer to face Djoko!


courbon Says:

@Brando:Hi there. Soory for my answers always comes 7-8 hours latter but I read TX early in the morning (5-6am Greenich time ) and just before bed (around 11pm ) so often my evening posts I answer in the morning (like now ).
Thanks for compliment–I like you as well but lets not start bromance.It would be weird!(:-
New guidelines?Thats goodSometimes gets too nasty here.
My man look good but so Rafa,Muzza and Delpo.I think any of this four has a chance of winning it.I can not see anybody else spoiling the party.Saturday-Novak-Rafa semi-Can’t wait! ( I just jinx them-they’ll be both out today!)
Speak to you tonight


tennisx hippy chic Says:

Skeezer thankyou yeah he did i remember now(sigh),shame though as that was some serve,as both Harry and Brando said.

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