Federer, Nadal, Djokovic Lead London Final 8 Preview This Weekend In Paris
by Sean Randall | October 31st, 2013, 7:52 pm
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In a rare treat, the London final eight participants are all part of the Paris quarterfinals, giving us a glimpse of perhaps what’s to come next week.

In the last match of the night, Rafael Nadal clinched the historic octet with a tough 7-6, 6-4 victory over Jerzy Janowicz.

At 22, Janowicz with his array of shots is a wondrous talent. Credit, though, to Nadal, who doesn’t play his best indoors, for fighting through the big 2012 Paris finalist scratching out the win in the end.

Earlier, Roger Federer dismantled Phil Kohlschreiber in straight sets. Left for dead a few weeks ago in Shanghai, once again Federer seems to be finding his form during the indoor season. Can it last?

The hottest players this fall had to craft comebacks. Novak Djokovic dropped the first in a breaker before wearing down John Isner in three sets, and Juan Martin Del Potro also went the distance to take out Baby Fed Grigor Dimitrov.

Newly minted London qualifiers Richard Gasquet and Stan Wawrinka were winners along with Tomas Berdych who ended the London race and the hopes of Milos Raonic behind a 20-minute 15-13 first set tiebreak win.

Now on to the quarterfinals matches.

Stan Wawrinka v Novak Djokovic
They meet again. After Novak’s big win in New York I like the Serb again here. Djokovic’s won 14 straight matches and with Stan now secured into London for a first time, I think he’ll let down a bit, and that’s something you can’t do against Djokovic who still can steal the No. 1 ranking from Nadal.

“Whenever we play each other it’s long exchanges, [a] very tough match mentally [and] physically,” Djokovic said. “But I’m ready for it. I have been playing well and obviously he has been enjoying probably his best season.”

Both their prior two clashes this year went five sets, but this one won’t go the distance. Novak’s been rolling and that roll continues.
The pick: Djokovic in two

Roger Federer v Juan Martin Del Potro
In another rematch, Federer and Del Potro will meet for a second time in as many weeks. Del Potro is the hot man – he’s won 15 of his last 16 with two titles – and he’s beaten Roger in their last three including in the Basel final last week.

“I have an idea of my tactics, my game plan,” said Federer about playing Delpo who he leads 13-15 13-5 overall. “Now it’s important to be able to actually do it on the court.

“It’s an important match for me now,” said Federer. “I need to take my opportunities.”

Federer’s playing better but I think Del Potro gets through this one. That said, it wouldn’t surprise at all if Roger ran the Argentine off the court here if the big guy is feeling some fatigue. That’s the question mark here.
The pick: Del Potro in three

Rafael Nadal v Richard Gasquet
This is a classic mismatch. Nadal has the heart of a lion. Gasquet. Well, we know. Richard has the backhand to neutralize of of Nadal’s wicked forehand and he’s playing in Paris. But Rafa’s closing in on No. 1 and I don’t think Richard mentally has it in him here. Not even with the pressure off of a London qualification. And the 11-0 advantage (17 straight sets) for the Spaniard makes this even easier.
The pick: Nadal in two

David Ferrer v Tomas Berdych
Defending champion David Ferrer got a little lucky last year in Paris with the early exits and withdrawals from the top guys. This time around no such luck for David with a stack quarterfinal.

Berdych is a tough out especially indoors and even though he’s playing better of late, I’m still not convinced Ferrer is ready to rumble with the upper tier. David’s won six of nine in their series, but in their first meeting this year…
The pick: Berdych in two

Tennis Channel will have the coverage live all day.

The London groupings will be out later this weekend once the rankings are fully settled which might not happen until Sunday. Match there begin on Monday.

FRIDAY PARIS SCHEDULE

COURT CENTRAL start 2:00 pm
[7] S Wawrinka (SUI) vs [2] N Djokovic (SRB)
[5] R Federer (SUI) vs [4] J Del Potro (ARG)

Not Before 7:30 pm
[1] R Nadal (ESP) vs [9] R Gasquet (FRA)

Not Before 8:30 pm
[3] D Ferrer (ESP) vs [6] T Berdych (CZE)


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99 Comments for Federer, Nadal, Djokovic Lead London Final 8 Preview This Weekend In Paris

Steve 27 Says:

Rafa, if you win tomorrow, he will equalize the victories against top 10 of Ivan Lendl with 119 Vamos!


metan Says:

Sean, Nice wrapped up.
I think if Roger wins first set. It’s gonna be him against Delpo. Gut feeling I pick Roger.

Didn’t Roger win back to back in 2011 Basel, Paris and WTF. He is really. great indoors player. One in open era.

Bring your best Rafa!!! N good luck !!


James Says:

“I have an idea of my tactics, my game plan,” said Federer about playing Delpo who he leads 13-15 overall.

————-

Errrr did you mean Federer leads Delpo 13-5?

Agree with your picks, Sean. However, I expect some fight from Stan against Djokovic.
Gasquet has said he wants to beat Nadal at least once before his career is over. He needs to show more heart if he wants that to happen against Rafa.


Patson Says:

Federer wins tomorrow. I think Delpo is running low on gas and if it were to go into the third set, Federer would win.


nitesh Says:

Wawranika
federer
nadal
berdych


madmax Says:

Sean,

the head to head is 13:5 to Federer NOT 13:15


madmax Says:

Head to Head

2013 Basel
Switzerland Hard F Del Potro, Juan Martin
7-6(3), 2-6, 6-4 Stats
2012 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals
Great Britain Hard RR Del Potro, Juan Martin
7-6(3), 4-6, 6-3 Stats
2012 Basel
Switzerland Hard F Del Potro, Juan Martin
6-4, 6-7(5), 7-6(3) Stats
2012 London Olympics
Great Britain Grass S Federer, Roger
3-6, 7-6(5), 19-17
2012 Roland Garros
France Clay Q Federer, Roger
3-6, 6-7(4), 6-2, 6-0, 6-3 Stats
2012 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells
CA, U.S.A. Hard Q Federer, Roger
6-3, 6-2 Stats
2012 Dubai
U.A.E. Hard S Federer, Roger
7-6(5), 7-6(6) Stats
2012 Rotterdam
The Netherlands Hard F Federer, Roger
6-1, 6-4 Stats
2012 Australian Open
Australia Hard Q Federer, Roger
6-4, 6-3, 6-2 Stats
2011 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A. Hard R32 Federer, Roger
6-3, 7-5 Stats
2009 Barclays ATP World Tour Finals
London, England Hard RR Del Potro, Juan Martin
6-2, 6-7(5), 6-3 Stats
2009 US Open
NY, U.S.A. Hard F Del Potro, Juan Martin
3-6, 7-6(5), 4-6, 7-6(4), 6-2 Stats
2009 Roland Garros
France Clay S Federer, Roger
3-6, 7-6(2), 2-6, 6-1, 6-4 Stats
2009 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid
Spain Clay S Federer, Roger
6-3, 6-4 Stats
2009 Australian Open
Australia Hard Q Federer, Roger
6-3, 6-0, 6-0 Stats
2008 ATP Masters Series Madrid
Spain Hard Q Federer, Roger
6-3, 6-3 Stats
2007 Basel
Switzerland Hard R16 Federer, Roger
6-1, 6-4 Stats
2007 Wimbledon
Great Britain Grass R64 Federer, Roger
6-2, 7-5, 6-1 Stats


courbon Says:

Yes Novak!!!!Next, please…


courbon Says:

@ nitesh? Really?Wawrinka? Maybe next year…


jatin Says:

Did you see that ?
Roger in vinatage mode. Those drop shots were breathtaking.
4-1. Roger


courbon Says:

@ Jatin: Very impressed so far with Roger.


hawkeye Says:

I don’t think the gentle giant has the heart to beat TMF twice in one week. Too much respect for TMF.


hawkeye Says:

Besides, unlike TMF, this is Delpo’s fourth tournament in five weeks.

Delpo hasn’t stopped and desperately needs a rest before next week’s hit and giggle if he wants a chance to do well there.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Jatin Federer is very good indoors,and he looks awesome today,really rolling back the years,only a fool would write him off,the question would be can he keep this up over possibly 3 sets?also can he beat Delpo,and most likely Nole and Rafa consecutivley?


jatin Says:

@courbon
Yup. One of the best performance of Roger this year. Not giving any chance to del potro whatsoever.
His variations in shots are amazing. This performace is special for us fedfans.


Giles Says:

Yes, fed is indeed playing very well.


Josh39485 Says:

They say that when the going gets tough, it is best to return to the place where everything feels much better – home. Federer’s 2013 end of year “revival” as such has really begun in Basel, his hometown. I think the energy of the crowd and his own determination played a part in getting him to play this kind of tennis. Just hope he can hold on here.


van orten Says:

dont know how fed managed to lose this set…he completly outplayed delpo ..but these are the new times i guess,,, clearly better player today and still we go to a third set…bummer


Giles Says:

Delpo breaks!


jatin Says:

And out of nowhere. Potro won the second set even though he was outplayed the whole match. Can you believe it ?
Now don’t tell me del potro will win the 3rd set


van orten Says:

last 12 points from delpo 11 unforced error by fed…


Giles Says:

Delpo doing what he does best, bashing the ball.
Mind that wrist Delpo!!


jatin Says:

@happy chic
interesting name first of all and outofwhere del potro is winning. 😐


jatin Says:

It should real
Outofnowhere.

And 1-1 3rd set


jatin Says:

I mean read.
😓


van orten Says:

hurts to watch as always thats why i am not watching anymore these dayss. absolutly gifting it away…


Josh39485 Says:

Federer breaks for 4-3. He just has to hold serve for as long as possible.


van orten Says:

but thats why we love him..drama is the best ..like becker in his days..great to watch..hurtful though sometimes


courbon Says:

And he won!
Novak-fed semi!!What a treat.I love when those two play-my favourite match-up!


Josh39485 Says:

He’s done it! Federer beats a Top 10 player for the first time since January, to set a SF showdown with Novak Djokovic.


jatin Says:

He did it.
🎂
I am so happy right now. Delp played really well but just fell sort. Fed played amazingly good.

Its novak vs roger guys. Their first encounter since th great wtf final


hawkeye Says:

Congrats to TMF fans. Even tougher ask tomorrow.

Go get him, TMF and seal No. 1 for Rafa!!!!

Vamos TMF the Indoor GOAT!!!!


hawkeye Says:

Wow, hadn’t realized that Nole and Fed haven’t met once this year.

Nole gonna lay the hurt on the old goat.

Interviewer: What’s your prediction for the fight?
Clubber Lang: My prediction?
Interviewer: Yes, your prediction.
[Clubber looks into camera]
Clubber Lang: Pain!


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Nice win for Roger,TBH he should,ve done it in two sets IMO as he was so on top in this match,im hoping its a good match against Novak nice and cometitive.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Jatin thanks for the heads up on my monikor,it reflects what im about in the real world :))..


Okiegal Says:

The bigger they are, the harder they fall…..the gentle giant is worn out. Fed took advantage of that today. Glad to see Fed get a win……maybe some of his fans will get back on the “don’t retire band wagon”. I think Fed still has a lot left in him. I think his back was a more serious issue than everybody thought……causing the decline of his game. Glad he won and as a Rafa fan I have the greatest respect for this man as Rafa does.

Vamos, Rafa!!


Josh39485 Says:

Cheers, hawkeye. I think Djokovic will win tomorrow, but I’m not fussed – I love them both, watching them play each other is a treat, and this match has demonstrated that all is not lost for Roger. Good signs for 2014!

Don’t worry about the No. 1 spot, Rafa has basically locked that up seeing as it’s very unlikely he’ll lose before the final


courbon Says:

@ hawkeye: Are you serious? Indoor GOAT? Roger has 17th Grands Slams , rafa 13th? At the moment Roger is clearly GOAT, simply as that.
Possibly, Rafa will pass him but at the moment…it’s quite simple.What is there to discuss?


Giles Says:

GO FED. Do it for your friend!


courbon Says:

Congaratulations to Fed fans.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Courbon lol i didnt think you did GOAT talk :).


courbon Says:

@ Giles: I don’t think Rafa needs Rogers help.He can beat Novak-it’s always tight,but he can.
Rafa is going to be number 1 end of year, almost 99%.


courbon Says:

@ Hippy Chic: I DON’T!!But Hawkeye is doing it at least once a day ( like a Giles VAMOS ) so I had to put my point! I betrayed my principals, I know…ahhh


jatin Says:

@happychix
Make sense. Lol

Btw. Why some people here are ao obsessed with GOAT ?


courbon Says:

@ jatin: I hope you don’t think about me because this was unique for me! I hate GOAT debates!


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Jatin thanks i thought it was much more interesting than my real name,anyway GOATDOM aint something ive ever really cared for that much,i much prefer to talk about many great players doing many great things in a sport rather than merely focussing attention on just one player its overkill IMO way too OTT,i think theres enough room for them all,and thats what makes the sport more interesting and more enjoyable,something Josh said to me yesterday on another thread was its sad when people take fan worship too far living their lives through their own personal favorites,believing them to be bigger than the sport itself.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Congrats to Fed, I’m thrilled with his results these past weeks.
Federer needed this win badly, but being only his second top ten win of the year, it doesn’t suddenly vault him back into Slam contention. He needs to show he can consolidate a win. If he can beat Novak tomorrow, that will be a real sign of hope. If not, he is relegated to Berdych status: a dangerous bracket buster, but not a true Slam contender.


jatin Says:

@courban
Nope man.You seem a genuine tennis fan.

@happy chic
Obviously. At least tennis x meets a happy chic😏

And thanks for explaining as i myself have seen people who idolize their player above the game itself. Not cool in my opinion.

courban. You seem like a fed fan. So you must be rooting for fed tomorrow.
How about happy chic. Are you a nole fan ?


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Bit of info for Federer fans,hes been in the top 10,for 12 years now.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Jatin im a Rafa fan,with Murray a close second(miss Murray BTW),but i actually have a great raport with all the fan groups on the forum,as i still like,admire,and respects all his rivals :))..


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Jatin thanks and i like the happy chic name too nice,but i have to go with a name thats true to myself :))..


Josh39485 Says:

@jatin Haha, that’s brilliant! :D Courbon is a Nole fan and I think Happy Chic supports Rafa, but above all they are tennis fans.

@Hippy Chic Thanks for quoting me :)


madmax Says:

hawkeye Says:
I don’t think the gentle giant has the heart to beat TMF twice in one week. Too much respect for TMF.

November 1st, 2013 at 11:30 am

hawkeye Says:
Besides, unlike TMF, this is Delpo’s fourth tournament in five weeks.

Delpo hasn’t stopped and desperately needs a rest before next week’s hit and giggle if he wants a chance to do well there.

November 1st, 2013 at 11:35 am

seriously tweetie pie, I really wonder how many more excuses you can come up with. Roger won, fair and square. End of conversation, stop using the excuses that rafa uses, “I’m tired”, “my knees” crap. We have heard them too many times and now obviously you have picked up where your idol left off.


hawkeye Says:

courbon Says:
But Hawkeye is doing it at least once a day

No, I don’t. I made an offer to shut up about it if the federazzi would. I let three strikes go by to prove a point. Unfortunately, they proved me correct after just a few days.

What else is there to discuss? Well, many tennis greats past and present yada, yada, yada (you know the rest).

It’s not all cut and dry courban. If it is slam count only, then of course but MANY have the opinion that it is more than that and that Fed’s claim to GOATdom is, at the very least, debatable.

Peace out.


hawkeye Says:

Funny how the federazzi all crawl out after an impressive win against a guy looking to rest up.

I have a feeling all will be quiet again soon.

Heeeeeere’s Nole!!!!!!!!!!!


jatin Says:

@happychic.
Cool. Its great time for rafa fans. Must be proud of your player.
@ josh
I am No Jamie. 😋


hawkeye Says:

Tell you what courban. Because I respect you, @PerfectFan,@TXHC plus all the real TENNIS fans on this site and I also grow tired of this subjective (yes subjective) debate and regret those said fans seeing some of this nonsense (plus I know it won’t last and love being proven correct), let’s try the experiment yet again.

I’ll not mention GOAT nor trivialize any of Fed’s great achievements if no one else talks about GOAT or so-called gamesmanship (questioning Rafa’s knee injuries, MTOs or doping accusations).

Is that not fair?

Regardless, I’ll proceed. Strike clock reset…. NOW!!!!


courbon Says:

@ jatin: I’m Novaks fan.But i admire Federer greatly ( also Nadal by the way )


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Jatin yeah its been amazing,anything else now would be a bonus,at the begining of the year i would never have seen this coming,i was just happy to see him back playing TBH.


Josh39485 Says:

@hawkeye I think I speak for nearly everyone when I say: Deal. At least without any in-fighting, we can make this one of the most tolerant tennis forums on the internet!


gonzalowski Says:

Hello to everybody! 5-3 Nadal,
the match goes fast and looks fine to Rafa, but he’s not using parallel drive, he needs it to play well.


courbon Says:

@ hawkeye: Respect is mutual.It is subjective debate but also it’s not time yet for it.We need to see when Rafa and Roger finished cariers, where they stand.I wish Novaks is in debate but it will never happen.You are lucky guys!
There will be always some people rubbishing Rog’s and Rafa ,but we should just ignore them
Lets move on then.
First set to your man-the most predictable match of the tournament, for sure….


courbon Says:

@ Josh: I’m with you


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Courbon Nole is already in that conversation as an all time great,he already has 6 GS,and sits along Becker etc,he will more than likely add more to that tally anyway,its all good for Nole.


hawkeye Says:

@courban and @JoshNumbers, we can only hope, no?


hawkeye Says:

^courbon


Josh39485 Says:

Thanks, courbon.

Nadal a double-break up in Set 2. Awesome stuff from the Boss of 2013. Let’s be honest, he’s basically in the final here.


courbon Says:

@ Josh: Absolutelly-He is in the final.Three Muskateers ( Rafa, Rog and Nole ) are in top form!


hawkeye Says:

310.


Giles Says:

Vamos Champ!
Onto the semis!


Brando Says:

Vamos Rafa!

Sensational performance!

Personally: results are by product of performance, and as long as the main man keeps performing like that then good things will happen.

Keep the intensity up Rafa!


courbon Says:

Congrat to Rafa fans.


Giles Says:

Who’s gonna meet with the King? Bird or Beast? Lol


Brando Says:

Re Novak and all time pantheon:

As a 6 time GS winner, 100 plus week no.1, multiple MS winner, 2 YEC winner etc it goes without saying: he’s an all time great player.

But where does he rank in the all time great list, well IMHO:

We have to recognize that:

1. We live in a age of hyperbole. The media is quick beyond belief to start hyping up one athlete over another. They are quick to raise certain personnel on a pedestal that they may not truly deserve.

2. In the age of the Internet fans have a greater say in matters or better put: are able to state their views more publicly. Naturally: they are biased and slant their views- try as much as they don’t want to- towards the player they root for.

With that said and recognized I see it like this:

Records and regard for former greats MUST BE RESPECTED. Hence, this Rafa fan sees it simply as:

1. Roger Federer: Undisputed GOAT. No questions asked.

2. Pete Sampras: The 2nd most successful player in the last 40 years.

3. Rod Laver: 11 GS slams, mythical status and high influence on future players.

4. Rafael Nadal: We all know the deal here. IMHO: IF Rafa gets to 15 slams- hopefully he will- then he’ll be the undisputed no.2 in the pantheon of the games greats.

Former and current players- and they matter the most- will regard him as such IF that happens without any hesitation.

5. Bjorn Borg: The Godfather to the modern era and quite simply: the first major, worldwide phenomenon the game spurned.

That beyond any shadow of doubt is the top 5 in the Open Era.

By most consensus IVAN LENDL (a 250 plus week no.1, 8 GS champion, 5 YEC, record no.1 of titles won etc etc) is regarded as the 6th best player of all time.

Now personally Novak is in my top 3 for best players I have seen play: I think he’s phenomenal.

But do I HONESTLY see him cracking that top 5:

I highly doubt it.

He’s 26 and he’s already:

- 5 GS short from Borg.
- 25 plus titles.

- Borg was a 5 time Wimbledon winner- will Novak surpass that? No.

- Borg was a 6 times FO winner- will Novak surpass that? No.

- Borg won 2 YEC and won over 20 indoor titles- will Novak surpass that haul? Likely, No.

And remember: Borg called it quits at the exact age Novak is today.

So in summary:

I think Novak will be regarded as an all time great when he retires.

But unless he does something ridiculous he will not crack the top 5 of all time.

Laver and Borg cast a mythical presence that NO ONE have, and Roger, Rafa, Pete have enjoyed success that really does not seem likely for Novak.

Ultimately:

It’s all about the slams.

They are the marker of the best.

And here Novak is:

- Pre 2011: 1/ 24 slams.

- Post 2011: 2/ 8 slams.

Numbers don’t lie.

His career GS final record is:

- 6 won / 6 lost

- Post 2011: 2 won / 4 lost

Numbers do not make excuses, they just tell you like it is.

You compare those GS final stats with Federer, Nadal, Sampras, Laver and Borg and then the answer is pretty obvious as to whether Novak is as good as those guys in the most important matches or not.

Remember: a player is measure by their entire career. NOT just one golden year.

Since turning age 26 he has won ZERO slams.

He has ONLY the AO before he turns 27.

In the entire history of the game the most slams won post turning age 27 is: FIVE slams.

Be honest now:

In this highly competitive age with NADAL, MURRAY and DEL POTRO with youngster coming through:

Do you HONESTLY see him winning 5 more slams after age 27 when prior to that age he’s won 6 (max. 7)?

It’s hard to believe that he will do so.

I apologize IF his fans find offense with this post but honestly: I have looked at his scenario and used reason, records, stats and past history to backup my prediction on him.

BOTTOM LINE:

No one knows the future, and records are meant to be broken.

BUT….. It’s kinda clear to see looking at Novak’s career that he’s more in the LENDL, AGASSI, EDBERG category rather than the serial slam winners such as FEDERER, NADAL, SAMPRAS, BORG etc.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Brando to add,Novak has Murray now to worry about too,who used to be is pigeon in GS,but hes a different player himself too now.


gonzalowski Says:

^ I’m with you boy

nice post


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Fans have a tendency to get over excited,at the begining of the year Novak won the AO,and all of a sudden there was talk of him surpassing Rafa,Rafa won the USO and there was talk of him surpassing Roger,i always believe talk of this player surpassing that player,or that player surpassing this player is unrealistic,Novak won his 1st GS in 2008,but it took him 3 years to win another,and its took him all his career so far to win the 6 GS he has already won,which dont get me wrong is a fantastic achievement,to add theres always going to be new and up and coming players ready to knock you from your perch,so winning GS is never easy,realistically its likely that Novak and Rafa will win more GS yet,talk of this player surpassing that player will only be relevant if or when it happens.


courbon Says:

@ Brando: You are absolutely right there. I think 3 more slams is probably best case scenario for Novak.But that is something also?
I’ll be happy with that and to see him play another 3 years of top tennis.
Great post Brando.


Josh39485 Says:

Ferrer and Berdych into a deciding set, both fighting it out for the right to be beaten by Rafa in the semis.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Looks like it will be Ferrer whos up a break in the 3rd set.


madmax Says:

hawkeye Says:

Tell you what courban. Because I respect you, @PerfectFan,@TXHC plus all the real TENNIS fans on this site and I also grow tired of this subjective (yes subjective) debate and regret those said fans seeing some of this nonsense (plus I know it won’t last and love being proven correct), let’s try the experiment yet again.

I’ll not mention GOAT nor trivialize any of Fed’s great achievements if no one else talks about GOAT or so-called gamesmanship (questioning Rafa’s knee injuries, MTOs or doping accusations).

Is that not fair?

Regardless, I’ll proceed. Strike clock reset…. NOW!!!!

November 1st, 2013 at 2:40 pm

Hawkeye who are you to lay down what fans should and should not think. You just get worse.

What I believe to be an ultra fair and respectful discussion amongst all time greats, awaits you here. What would be very good is for you to listen to Yannick Noah’s last short clip, it’s a few seconds and you never know, you might even be calmer once you have seen it.

I dare you Hawkeye. I dare you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFgcmiaHDoI

Do you honestly think that Courbon give’s a rat’s ass whether you respect him/her or not?

Who cares? Just stop telling people what to think and when to think it. Deal in facts Hawkeye and if you rae talking about respect, then you need to take a leaf out of your own book. So stop with the snidey remarks. You are no real tennis fan. I see who you are.

You wouldnt be here if it wasnt for TT being shut down.


Brando Says:

@Courbon:

Thanks for that C- I appreciate it.

And you are absolutely right: that would be quite something.

Like I said:

In my opinion Novak is in the top 3 best players ever that I have had the privilege of seeing. And it has been a privilege to witness seeing such a spectacular play the game.

As a Rafa fan I think I can speak for many in saying: He shall ALWAYS command a special respect and regard among us Vamos saying lovers (LOL) since he more than ANYONE was best able to stand toe to toe with the guy we root for and many regard as arguably greatest fighter the game has ever seen: Rafael Nadal.

I admire greatly how Novak was able to transform from a MARAT SAFIN like player- i.e. supreme talent but also a supreme under achiever- into a player who has and is making the most out of his talent due to nothing but sheer hard work, dedication, commitment and great desire to achieve his best.

He’s been phenomenole in how he’s changed his mentality. He was much derided as a quitter but the boy became a man and is now deservedly seen as a Warrior who commands respect for his fighting ability.

I am also fond of his warm, generous personality and whilst I have a few dislikes of him (then again: I also have a few dislike of certain traits of my own self, like anyone else) they are easily disregarded by the many great traits I admire of him.

He’s an all time great already, I think he’ll win the same amount of slams that I said a few years ago: 10.

That’s an astonishing number, and you can ultimately can on one hand how many players have won more or are slightly more highly regarded.

That’s a phenomenal career and player we are talking about there. A player who the likes of FEDERER and NADAL (especially Rafa) have a seriously high regard for due his supreme Tennis skills.

All in all: the boy from a war turn Country more than came good.

He’s a winner for sure.

And you being more than happy with that: so you should so will Nole when he retires.

That attitude reminds me of a personal story:

Years ago at school we used to have regular tests in Science, and I continuously used to score dismally in them.

I hated Science.

Then the next topic of exam was on a subject I love: Space.

Me and a friend worked our backsides off, revising far more than was necessary. I sat the exam, and results came a week or so later.

I was peeved with them. My friend had scored higher than me. And I wanted to beat him in this exam mark.

Then my teacher came over to a sulky me and had a word. He asked what made me feel so sullen and I told him that I was peeved that my friend scored higher as I thought I was better than him and would beat him.

He then gave me one of the best advice I have EVER heard and the 11 year old me at the time recognized (thankfully) as something so true, he said:

You have consistently scored low in Science. And now you score 97% in this exam, are the clear no.2 and you are annoyed since your friend beat you?

That’s a fools way of behaving kid! I have a word of advice for you in your life:

NEVER ever look at those who have more than you and be greatly for what you have got. Do your best and enjoy whatever outcome that gives you since that is the best you could do and not everyone in this world is able or does their best.

I quit sulking, realized how right he was and was seriously happy telling my parents that day on how well I did in this one exam.

So I think Nole and his fans will be smart enough to enjoy whatever he eventually achieves as that’s the best he could produce and he should be very proud of it.

PS:

Your’s truly continued to flop in Science thereafter post that one exam. LOL! :-)


Brando Says:

Man do I need to proof read, some corrections:

- ‘And it has been a privilege to witness seeing such a spectacular PLAYER play the game’.

- ‘be GRATEFUL for what you have got’.

There are others but i’m sure you’ll get the gist of what I am trying to say.


Josh39485 Says:

Semifinal Line-Ups are complete! What a day in prospect tomorrow:

Novak Djokovic (2) vs Roger Federer (5)

Rafael Nadal (1) vs David Ferrer (3)


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Rafas the only one of the four to have got to the semis without actually losing a set.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Brando, great analysis on Nole. The thing is, the second tier of all time greats may be broken down further. Noleis already in the Becker, Edberg level. . A couple more Slams and he’ll be in the MCCenroe/ Connors/ Lendl level.

Edberg and Becker were both 6 time Slam winners competing against first or 2a all time greats in Lendl and Sampras


Tennis Vagabond Says:

For fun Brando, I’ll argue that Edberg and Becker may have had tougher competition than Nole: not only 2 players destined for higher places on the all-time list, but a third in Agassi, plus a whack of players just below their spot (Wilander, Cash) and 2 aging Superstars in MCCenroe and Connors.
Thats a dang tough era for Becker and Edberg to ferret out six slams.


Brando Says:

@Tennis Vegabond:

Hi TV, thanks and great thoughts from yourself as usual.

Did Becker and Edberg have it tougher in a more competitive era than Nole right now?

I would say YES.

In this era really Nole has Rafa and Muzza- going forward- who are his prime rivals at slams.

Those 2 are the only ones besides Nole that you would expect consistently to be at the business end of slams going forward.

Are there really any other contenders for say the next 2 years?

- Federer: I think everyone is in agreement that with Fed the question lies- will get that Samprasesque swansong finish to his career by winning a slam as opposed to holding a belief that he’ll be there at the end for future slams on a regular basis.

That, in my opinion, really only leaves one guy:

- Del Potro: I think he will do so in the future, and he’ll be a regular contender considering his recent most consistency. He’s at that age where he’ll now kick on and display consistency in his results and a maturity in his tennis skills.

Beyond these guys realistically speaking there is no else for the next 2 years I feel.

So outside Nole that’s: Rafa, Muzza and Delpo.

Fed lurks as the dark horse.

Compare that to Becker’s era then it’s clear that’s tougher era.

You had Edberg, Lendl, Wilander on a equal level of sort replacing the other 3 I mentioned in Nole’s era.

Add in rising future greats in Sampras and Agassi, fading but competitive spirits in McEnroe and Connors, and because of the vast surface difference specific surface specialists such as Cash, then quite clearly it seems a tougher era.

The best way to put is like this:

In this era for pretty much all 4 slams in the next 2 years you can imagine- to varying degrees- one of Rafa, Nole, Muzza or Delpo being the winner.

Fed would be the wild, surprise candidate.

In the 80′s it was a lot less predictable due to the less hegemonic surfaces with: Becker, Edberg, Lendl, Agassi, Sampras, Connors, McEnroe etc etc all being in the mix to varying levels.

This is why I think IVAN LENDL gets alot let credit than he truly deserves, think about it:

- USO: He won 3 slams here when it was a genuine fast HC. As well as reaching 8 finals in a row.

- FO: He won 3 slams here at the slowest slam on tour.

- AO: He won 2 slams on the slower HC of AO.

- Wimby: He was 2 time RU here when Wimby was a genuinely quick grass court with Serve and Volley being the reigning style of play.

- WTF: 5 time winner at the indoor event.

Put simply: a truly complete player. Had Wimbledon been as slow then as it is now you could bet your bottom dollar he would have won it. And that impressive resume is topped off with over 200 plus weeks at Number 1, over 90 singles titles etc etc.

The guy revolutionized the game and does not get the credit he deserves.

IMHO: he’s the most unheralded legend of the modern era. A guy who actually deserves more praise than he gets since how well he performed on varying surfaces with more marked difference in such a tough era is truly remarkable and testament to his amazing talent.

IF Lendl played today: he’d kick butt on Indoor, Outdoor HC, Clay and even Grass.


Humble Rafa Says:

Rafael Nadal (1) vs David Ferrer (3)

Humble Vs Doormat


Humble Rafa Says:

Rafas the only one of the four to have got to the semis without actually losing a set.

Partisan crowd here can’t appreciate such minor details.


Alex Says:

The likes of Hawkeye keep quiet when the big boys and girls talk.

Sorry, that’s just how I differentiate between good reading and bad. Call me Ugly! :)

Nice to come online and read some fantastic comments from both parties.

———

@Brando

You are right, I did mostly talk smack, cause I let some stuff (anti/fed) bother me. I judged you. Not anymore!

You’re last few posts have proven to me what a savvy person you are.

I’m sorry for being such an A##.

I wish we never had-at-it like we did…

It happened, so I hope you can forgive and forget like I have.


Alex Says:

Alex Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

The likes of Hawkeye keep quiet when the big boys and girls talk.

Sorry, that’s just how I differentiate between good reading and bad. Call me Ugly! :)

Nice to come online and read some fantastic comments from both parties.

———

@Brando

You are right, I did mostly talk smack, cause I let some stuff (anti/fed) bother me. I judged you. Not anymore!

Your last few posts have proven to me what a savvy person you are.

I’m sorry for being such an A##.

I wish we never had-at-it like we did…

It happened, so I hope you can forgive and forget like I have.

November 1st, 2013 at 10:53 pm


metan Says:

Rafa is on fire. It seems to me that he keeps his words which he said that he will make a little bit effort for this tour.
Great…great..great Vamos!


skeezer Says:

“Humble Rafa Says:
Rafael Nadal (1) vs David Ferrer (3)

Humble Vs Doormat”

Yes, its all about the country. They help out when they can, no?


courbon Says:

@ Brando: You have very logic and sensible mind.And you write well-it’s pleasure reading your post.And off course I agree ( it’s becoming boring agreeing all the time!!) with all points.
We, humans, forget quickly things. I remember how happy I was in 2011 when he won AO for second time. And I said to myself: I wish he can have like 6-7 GS on the end of career-that would be phenomenal!!!
Well. he’s got 6 already and career it’s not finished!But we want more?
We constantly want more ( I think is in our DNA ) but it’s good to stop sometimes and remember our first thoughts and feelings. Then we will truly appreciate ours and somebody’s ( like in this case ) achievements.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Courbon as a fan you,ve always been sensible,only enjoying whats happening in the moment,rather than getting carried away with the hype,some posters of fans get overzealous and take for granted that the good times will last for ever,Rafas fans did it after 2010,Novaks fans did it 2011,domination is a today thing,but not necassarily a tomorrow thing,its nice just to appeciate what you have,and enjoy it in the present moment,it doesnt always pay to luck to far ahead.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Back in 2009 when Rafa won the AO,i was delighted that he was up there with Becker/Edberg with 6 GS,and with two of those GS been off clay was fantastic,i was thinking wow almost a career GS,and if im honest i thought if stops now its still a fantastic achievement,and i asked the tennis gods please let him just win the USO to complete the career GS and i would be happy even if he never won another GS again,after winning the USO in 2010,i never thought he would have over double that tally and be on the cusp of a second career GS,hes certainly achieved more in his career than i would,ve dared to dream about.


courbon Says:

Good morning hippy…thank you for a kind words. Well, we are quite similar in our thoughts ( same with the Brando ) so we kind off agree pretty much always. There is nothing to ad-you summoned well. I like your approach ( it’s a vanity thing because is same as mine! )and your guts and politeness in the same time! ( some people think you are too nice-I think that’s great and I’v read some of your “brave” post also.You say what you think but with care not to offend others )
I’m looking forward Novak-Fed match but also quite curious about ATP Final draw-it will be 2:00pm


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Thankyou Courbon,sorry its took me till now to reply to your post,as ive been working all day,anyway yeah i know some people think im too nice,and my posts are wishy/washy,but ive always believed its possible to put your point accross without the need for ranting and raving,when i was lttle i would shout,scream,stamp my feet,and realised in the end when alls said and done,it gets you nowhere,its all hot air,

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