2013 Tennis-X Awards: Rafael Nadal, Serena Williams Grab Multiple Honors
by Staff | December 25th, 2013
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Is there a better Christmas present than the Tennis-X year-end awards? Short answer — of course there isn’t. Rafa got his presents, and Roger has a baby on the way, so here’s your present wrapping up the best (and worst) tennis gave us in 2013:

MEN’S PLAYER OF THE YEAR — Rafael Nadal
Plagued by chronic knee problems, the Spanish former (and now again-current) No. 1 looked done for 2013 when he took the last few months of 2012 off, and the respite extended into February of this year.

Would he come back at all? Would he come back, but only play on the forgiving clay courts? No one foresaw Rafa not only coming back full steam, but compiling perhaps the greatest abbreviated season in men’s tennis history.

After missing the Australian Open with a stomach virus/more knee issues (depending on who you talk to) Rafa wins the French (a record 8th title) and the US Open, bringing his Slam trophies to 13. He won 10 of the 14 finals he reached this year, and reached the final in 14 of his 17 tournament appearances. That is silly. He beat Novak Djokovic when the Serb was ranked No. 1 in three of their five meetings.

We’re not sure how you go from bad knees to winning 75 matches in an abbreviated year, but Rafa did it. Market your secret knee juice and make many more millions! If it’s legal! Did we just think that or say it out loud? Also use some of those millions for hair plugs as that comb-over soon won’t be cutting it. Or maybe that’s already a hair piece ala Andre Agassi, because that sure is a big Nike headband/scarf/thing.
Honorable Mention: Novak Djokovic

 
WOMEN’S PLAYER OF THE YEAR — Serena Williams
Don’t doubt Serena, you’ll just make her angrier.

Not only did Serena confirm that the 30s are the new 20s these days in pro tennis, she did it in such a convincing manner that all other players were left far off in her wake. Maria Sharapova? She hasn’t beat Serena in 10 years or something like that? Victoria Azarenka? The other queen of scream turned around a 10-match losing streak against Serena before this year, but didn’t have the stomach to keep up.

Throughout her two Slam wins, 34-match win streak and overall 11-title year, Serena showed she has little interest in how she is held in regard by players, fans or the media. She got into a spat with fellow American Sloane Stephens when, instead of the “mentoring” view the media layered on their relationship, Stephens said Serena was a nasty person. Serena in turn said the only mentoring she does is helping her credit card find the Louis Vuitton store cash register. She also got caught bad-mouthing Sharapova by a magazine interviewer — but on the plus side she didn’t threaten to kill any lineswomen this year. To our knowledge. Oh, and she’s knocking boots with her coach.

She also won a record $12.3 million and became the oldest player to assume the No. 1 spot. That’s bad-ass. It’s Serena’s world, you’re just in it. Like one of her tweets this year said, “I made you.” And through it all, we can’t wait to see what Serena makes happen in 2014.
Honorable Mention: Victoria Azarenka, Marion Bartoli

 
MATCH OF THE YEAR — Rafael Nadal d. Novak Djokovic (French Open SF)
The year 2013 put a bit of a mental hurting on Djokovic, who watched a solid year snatched away from him as Nadal stole the year-end No. 1 ranking in the final month. Hiring Boris Becker as your coach in 2014? Not exactly reeking of desperation, but…eh.

The 2013 Roland Garros semifinal between Nadal and Djokovic was a microcosm of their year, with the Serb giving his all, and the Spaniard…well, just having more. For almost five hours both players clawed and scratched with significant momentum changes.

When Nadal won the third set 6-1 to go up two sets to one, viewers started planning the rest of their day. Djokovic though would break Nadal as the Spaniard served for the match, then weather a tiebreak to bring it to a fifth and deciding set. The fifth set was more sick gets, incredible defense and incomprehensible winners from unbelievable angles. When the smoke cleared, Nadal stood victorious 6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7 (3), 9-7.

“That’s why he’s a champion,” a glum Djokovic said. “That’s why he’s been ruling Roland Garros for many years, and for me it’s another year…It’s been an unbelievable match to be part of, but all I can feel now is disappointment.” Nadal has won eight French titles in nine years, losing once. ONCE. What can you do against the King of Clay, Novak? What can you do, besides produce the best tennis of the year and come away with second place.
Honorable Mention: Djokovic-Wawrinka (Australian Open), Azarenka-Serena (Cincinnati), Djokovic-Del Potro (Wimbledon), Serena-Kuznetsova (French Open)

 
NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR — Vasek Pospisil
The future in Canada is looking oh so bright. Not just for snow anymore, the Land to the North is kicking America’s ass in tennis now thanks to a new crop of heavyweight stars. We’ve seen the mild-mannered Milos
Raonic, the gorgeous Genie Bouchard and this summer we saw the emergence of another Canuck, Vasek Pospisil. With a cannon of a serve and sufficient groundies, the 23-year-old Pospisil blossomed with his
semifinal run in Canada which spurred an almost 100 ranking spot climb to finish No. 32.
Honorable Mention: Genie Bouchard, Jiri Vesely, Pablo Carreno Busta, Madison Keys

 
COMEBACK OF THE YEAR — Rafael Nadal
Twelve months ago and still fighting bad knees, who foresaw that Nadal would return to not only finish No. 1 but also dominate on hardcourts?

Rafa hadn’t won a title on cement since October 2011, but this season made up for lost time time pocketing four trophies including the US Open during a furious 22-match hardcourt win streak.
Honorable Mention: Tommy Robredo, Dimitry Tursunov

 
SHOT OF THE YEAR — Radwanska volley flick winner v Flipkens (Miami)
It was a tough race, but in the end nothing could top this marvel on ingenuity from the under-appreciated Agniezska Radwanska:

Honorable Mention: Nadal slice winner v Harrison (US Open), Federer backhand winner v Dodig (IW), Dimitrov volley winner v Haas (Washington), Azarenka volley winner v Serena (Cincinnati), Paire tweener/volley lob

 
WORST SHOT OF YEAR — Gael Monfils !@)&$@#& (Halle)
Remember, our society has landed people on the moon, then there is this:

 

BIGGEST SURPRISE — Marion Bartoli (Wimbledon)

She didn’t beat a single Top 10 player en route, but that really doesn’t diminish what unheralded Marion Bartoli pulled off at Wimbledon this year. Injured entering the month, there was a strong chance she wouldn’t even play! But with some luck (Serena lost), Bartoli took advantage of all the upsets using her quirky game to stun the tennis world with the biggest crown of her career. It was such a major moment for the Frechwoman that she abruptly retired from the sport a month later.
Honorable Mention: Djokovic-Becker, Stanislas Wawrinka, Simona Halep, Vasek Pospisil

 
BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT — Roger Federer
The Fed is getting older, but did anyone really think that Roger would regress so much in just one season? A year after winning his 17th major at Wimbledon, Federer was only able to collect ONE title (Halle) and
until the fall only managed ONE Top 10 win (Tsonga in Australia). The Swiss pointed out his back was bad during an error-strewn run that resulted losses to Delbonis, Stakhovsky and Robredo, but if you’re injured then take a cue from your buddy Rafa and DON’T PLAY! Stay home with the kids and the preggers wife.
Honorable Mention: Andy Murray’s Back, Milos Raonic (Del Potro incident), Samantha Stosur, American men, Viktor Troicki, Robin Soderling

 
BIGGEST UPSET — Steve Darcis d. Rafael Nadal (Wimbledon)
Nadal was clearly ailing after winning the French. The knees were hurting (or must have been), but still, Darcis put on a Rosol-like display in stunning the two-time champ 7-6(4), 7-6(8), 6-4 to end his 22-match winning streak.

“Rafa Nadal didn’t play his best tennis today,” the 29-year-old Belgian said. No shit. “The first match on grass is always difficult. It’s his first one. Of course, it’s a big win. I tried to come to the net as soon as I could, not play too far from the baseline. I think it worked pretty good today.”

It was the second straight Wimbledon shocker for Nadal after the previous year getting roasted by No. 100-ranked Lukas Rosol. Rafa though rebounded while Darcis, well, due to injury in part hasn’t won a tour-level match since. But hey, why bother, that’s a great “walkoff” win.
Honorable Mention: Stephens-Serena (Australian Open), Delbonis-Federer (Hamburg), Stakhovsky-Federer (Wimbledon)

 
BEST HOOK-UP — Maria Sharapova and Grigor Dimitrov
Maria Sharapova and Serena Williams have never been the closest of friends, but when Masha started dating Serena’s ex Grigor Dimitrov, it was ON. Serena referred to him in the media as the “guy with the black heart” (not a great break-up?). When their feud escalated in the media this year, Maria delivered the haymaker, asking why Serena was throwing stones when her glass house included the married man she was dating, who was also her coach?

Fending off rumors that she was pregnant earlier this year, it has otherwise been smooth sailing for Dimitro-pova. “I’m in a nice place in my life definitely,” said the 26-year-old former No. 1 Russian about the 22-year-old Dimitrov, who was dubbed “Baby Federer” when he came on tour, but even King Roger has said it’s time to dump that nickname. “It’s nice to see somebody that’s next to me that is building their own life and becoming their own individual.”

Sharapova was formerly engaged to pro basketball player Sasha Vujacic, and prior romantic connections included Andy Roddick and Adam Levine among others, rumors or not. But for now the Top 25 couple remain the toast of the tour.
Honorable Mention: Kaley Cuoco-Ryan Sweeting, Djokovic-Becker, Janowicz-Domachowska

 
BIGGEST CHOKE — Nicolas Almagro blowing 2-set lead to Ferrer (Australian Open)
Leading by two sets, Almagro served for his first career Grand Slam semifinal not once, not twice but THREE TIMES against his countryman David Ferrer. And we know how it turned out. As we close the season, Ferrer has still never lost to Almagro in 14 tries and after that crusher in Melbourne he may never have to worry about losing to him EVER.
Honorable Mention: Verdasco to Murray (Wimbledon), Sabine Lisicki to Bartoli (Wimbledon), Sharapova to Serena (Miami)

 
BEST MELTDOWN — Viktor Troicki (Rome)
It’s been a tough year for Viktor Troicki. The Serb who’s been suspended from the Tour for failing to take a drug test did manage to get this hallmark tirade in before his sentence. Can’t wait to get you back Viktor, hope you are keeping well!

Honorable Mention: John Tomic head butt, Jerzy Janowicz (Australian Open)

 
QUOTE OF THE YEAR — Tommy Haas on Ernest Gulbis (Wimbledon)
few can crack ‘em like the 35-year-old Tommy Haas, take it away Tommy, the floor is yours: “You can’t buy ATP points to buy your ranking. It’s not possible, otherwise Gulbis would be No. 1 in the world.”
Honorable Mention: Milos Raonic ( Canada) – “Hypothetically yes, technically no”); Rafael Nadal (US Open) – “Don’t worry. I will lose. Everybody lose.”; Federer – “But on the other surfaces, if I am playing well, it’s more in my racquet than in anybody else’s racquet.”; Maria Sharapova on Serena (Wimbledon) – “If she wants to talk about something personal, maybe she should talk about her relationship and her boyfriend that was married and is getting a divorce and has kids.”

 
TWEET OF THE YEAR — Serena Williams following loss to Sloane Stephens at the Australian Open
An easy choice as Serena lets Sloane know who’s still the boss.

 
BEST TWEETER — Tomas Berdych
Dry, robotic, almost without a pulse on the court, the Czech checks his vanilla-ness at the door when he logs in online transforming into an engaging comedian, poking fun at all things including himself, tennis, culture and other players and journalists. You might never win a Big One Tomas, but consider this honor among your best achievements.
Honorable mention: Ivo Karlovic, Roger Federer, Laura Robson, Stanislas Wawrinka

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone!


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135 Comments for 2013 Tennis-X Awards: Rafael Nadal, Serena Williams Grab Multiple Honors

holdserve Says:

I think Novak’s incredible 2011 season was even more remarkable. After a history of retirements in earlier years, he became possessed of great endurance in 2011. Novak “Market your secret” diet “and make many more millions! If it’s legal! Did we just think that or say it out loud?”
Federer till 2003 seemed not to be able to go all the way in slams. Suddenly he became indefatiguable and according to observers hardly seemed to breathe as he played. Also after not winning a slam after AO 2010, he suddenly went on a winning spree in 2012, winning masters and Wimbledon, regaining no. 1 at age 31. Sampras won a slam at 31 but world no. 1 at age 31 in an era of Djokovic, Rafa and Murray?
Federer “Market your secret” diet “and make many more millions! If it’s legal! Did we just think that or say it out loud?”


Ben Pronin Says:

Lol, holdserve. Grasping as straws.


Giles Says:

@holdserve. Great post. You speak the truth, no?


roy Says:

”Remember, our society has landed people on the moon, then there is this:”

yes, it’s incredible how africans developed rocket technology and took us to the moon, then produced monfils.
makes no sense.


skeezer Says:

“We’re not sure how you go from bad knees to winning 75 matches in an abbreviated year, but Rafa did it. Market your secret knee juice and make many more millions! If it’s legal! Did we just think that or say it out loud? Also use some of those millions for hair plugs as that comb-over soon won’t be cutting it. Or maybe that’s already a hair piece ala Andre Agassi, because that sure is a big Nike headband/scarf/thing.”

Worth reposting, lol.


Giles Says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvRipcx8UAY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

When Rafa returned to the tour after 222 long days, I bet these types joker, fed et al, thought to themselves (whilst rubbing their hands) lets eat the Nadal for breakfast. But guess what happened? Rafa gobbled them up instead, as per demonstration in the video.
Vamos Champ!!


James Says:

10 titles, 2 Grand Slams, 5 Masters 1000s, Year End #1 ranking!
Happy Christmas! :)


James Says:

indeed, @skeezer. Posts like that make happy Rafa had such a great year.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

I was surprised that Murray didnt get a mention after winning especially been a Brit,also Daid Ferrer didnt a mention making his 1st ever GS final,but happy for Rafa though,just wondering what his hair has to do with his tennis though(sigh).


Elizabeth Howard Says:

The man with no name (Staff) making unfounded and totally unacceptable comments about RafaeL Nadal. Shame and give us your name!!


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Meant after winning wimbledon,in my above post.


Giles Says:

It’s a shame that what should have been classed as a great write-up by the Staff at Tennis X was marred by the unnecessary critical comments directed towards Rafa. Don’t know why I’m surprised and disappointed as this is turning out to be the norm where Rafa is concerned.
Vamos Champ!


Giles Says:

Bandwagon skeezer is in the house! With or without his cats and dogs?


mem Says:

the author of this “subjective garbage” is such a coward. mr writer why didn’t you attach your name? I guess it’s time to feed the vultures (skeezer, ben, & co.) some decayed meat for Christmas. how about you elaborate on novak’s secret to his overnight transformation of endurance and stamina; you know the one he refuses to discuss, and while you are at it, enlighten us on how roger was able to continue to travel and play tennis an entire year while battling a debilitating condition like mono. I would love to hear your thoughts. btw, next time, sign your name. I kind of like to know who I am directing my comments toward.
thank you!


skeezer Says:

^deflect attempt #1,192.


Humble Rafa Says:

Can’t believe such a respected blog is alluding that I use drugs.

Shameful..Shameful indeed.

It’s the holidays. The kids must be running the asylum.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

So much for the season of goodwill :(.


Okiegal Says:

@Chic^^^^^^

Well, isn’t that the truth!!

Now we’re picking on hair styles?? Give me a break.
I wasn’t even going to respond to the writer of this article for all his bull……but I think the US Open was the best……winning the 8th French Open was indeed a great win, but his play was out of this world in New York. This vamoseheaded person here watches it over and over. The FO title was a bit clouded for me because of the net touching incident by Novak. It was like if Novak hadn’t touched the net he would have won……blah blah blah.


Okiegal Says:

BTW….Merry Christmas to all and to all a good nite……even to the writer of this article, who ever you are!


Bad Knee Rules Says:

The writer of this article is a very, very brave and honest person, my respect.
Merry Christmas
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcPHv50CAAAtic7.jpg


Aurora Says:

wowow LMAO The bitterness is strong with this one.
You just had to sneak in that doping comment, didn’t you, Mr. “Staff” aka bitter and jealous Federer fanboy? LOL

I’m not surprised anyway, Mr. “Staff” was one of the guys who were saying that Nadal was done for and would never win another slam. Ever.

How does humble pie taste like, Mr. Staff??? Yummy, no?

VAMOS RAFA!!!!


Bad Knee Rules Says:

———-
BTW….Merry Christmas to all and to all a good nite……even to the writer of this article, who ever you are!
———-
Strange time to go to bed in Oklahoma, unless you go to bed in the early afternoon – it’s 7:30pm there.


mem Says:

Bad Knees,

sweetie, ” very brave & honest people” usually have the courage to attach their names to whatever they write.


thangs Says:

tennis-x & staff are always bitter against Rafa….In 2010, when rafa won sportmenship award, they wrote a nonsense article..and they try to deminish rafa’s achievements. Rafa makes them eat **** always.

Nole 2011 is extra ordinary…Until 2010, he was known as quitter. No complaints. Roger hardly had any sweat in many 5 set matches(though he lost many).. Thats very normal human body. No Complaints.

Vamos Rafa!


Bad Knee Rules Says:

^^
honey, I don’t see your name.


Bad Knee Rules Says:

^^
for mem without name.


skeezer Says:

So funny how all of the sudden Rafa anonymous sockpuppets come out to protest like its an armada. Not! Obviously one of the same old vamosheads who regularly post are trying to sound like it is a big group. Give it up already and just enjoy your Holidays.


holdserve Says:

What skeezer is saying is that all the Fed fans are skeezer. Maybe even “Staff” who wrote this article?
Fed fans specialize in multiple IDs as they want to create the illusion of a Big Group.
I read on another site that madmax was posting on TT under serial multiple names like malteser, Fleur, maxi…..
Seems to be a Fedfan thing, this multiple ID business.
I read somewhere that most Fed fans are old, probably retired. So they have plenty of time to troll whole day under different screen names.
Most Rafa fans are young. They have careers and they have a life outside the internet. No need to post under multiple IDs.


skeezer Says:

holdserve,
“I read on another site that..”
I am talking about here…not wherever you used to hang out that got shut down.
As usual, you invent an imaginary world that only makes sense to you( like you READ Fed posters are “Old”, LMAO ).
You pick one poster, but madmax has never posted under various posters HERE….. and what……like you? Funny how you responded immediately after the post. Whats up with that? How many sock puppets do you own? Hehe….


Ben Pronin Says:

Federer just doesn’t sweat as hard as other people, it’s not an abnormality, people are just different. Talk about grasping for straws.

Djokovic being a “quitter” was widely overblown by his haters. He had more retirements in 2011 than in 2010. Straw graspers!

Don’t be mad that Nadal offers so much suspicion fodder. It’s just his MO.


skeezer Says:

Aurora = holdserve.
This is the truth, no?
#upyoursmrsockpuppet


Okiegal Says:

@ Bad Knee Rules

You are sending out mixed signals with your moniker. I thought you were a Rafa fan…….moniker meaning Rafa has bad knees and can still rule tennis!! Just saying, first impressions aren’t always what they seem…….after reading your posts, clear you are no fan of Rafa.

When I posted my merry Christmas greeting it was in the evening….so I will rephrase it to please you….MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD EVENING!! Happy now??? It’s 9:00 in Oklahoma right now, and I will go to bed around 2 or 3…..for I’m a night owl. After saying all that I am amused that you made an issue about it in the first place.


Okiegal Says:

@Ben 10:06 pm

As in “Hello fodder, hello mudder”……prove it!

Now, his comb over is an issue. Rafa haters never cease to amaze me.

New Years resolution……..be kind to one another.


mem Says:

Ben,

aren’t you a comedy show all by yourself! did you say “don’t be mad if nadal offers suspicious…

strangely enough, I was about to tell you the same thing, please don’t be mad when I say you are just a born liar. you and skeezer in particular have spent years slandering nadal and promoting a so-called suspicion about nadal that only exists in your minds. everybody knows why! so, don’t be mad if I call you a “liar and slanderer.” it’s just your MO!


holdserve Says:

skeezer how do you know madmax doesn’t post under several IDs? You, madmax, Ben must all be the same poster.
How many sock puppets do you own?
Ben, Federer offers the most fodder for suspicion. Not sweating, not missing a single grand slam tournament , not even when suffering from back problems or mono, his unbelievable streak in 2012 at age 31, his sudden fall in form in 2013 when ITF announces stricter anti doping. These are very very suspicious.


Okiegal Says:

One time Skeezer answered a post of mine and it was showing up on my end that comment was awaiting moderation. I couldn’t figure out how he was able to answer it since it was showing up yet. I thought that maybe he is the moderator of this forum. Any ideas out there how this could have happened?? Just curious.


skeezer Says:

“How many sock puppets do you own?”
Well known. Where u been? That answer is;
0.
—-
mem tries and tries with deflective accusations at posters….

“aren’t you a comedy show all by yourself!” Ben? Ben Pronin? Not. No way. He is actually intelligent and knows way more than vamosheads who are numnut googlers.
Comedy?
That title belongs to Mr. Unemployed Bad Comedy H.R., wishful leader of the vamosheads and a wannabee.
—–
@Okiegal (Merry Christmas!)
No. Not a moderator of course. If I was, holdserve and the sockpuppets would be banned ;)


holdserve Says:

skeezer must be the moderator. All the Rafa fans are freqently under moderation, whereas the Fed fans get away with everything, insulting Rafa fans etc


holdserve Says:

Hey okiegal, you are obviously a Rafa fan and I love all your posts except one where you described Rafa as limited. I brought it up on another thread, my disappointment that a Rafa fan should echo the haters.
Do let me know why you consider Rafa to be limited. In my opinion, he is the most complete of them all.
Although Fed fans consider Fed to be a serve and voleyer, he actually is a baseliner and his volleying skills aren’t too good.


Aurora Says:

Sure, sure, I’m a sockpuppet. If that’s the most intelligent thing you can come up with to answer my post, sure :D


Okiegal Says:

@Holdserve

Tell me which post where I made that statement, please. I did not intend for anyone to make that assumption from my comment. I am really confused that you think that…..because I certainly didn’t mean to imply that……I think he is a fantastic player. Is it because I worry about the time limit he flirts with?? I answered your comment on the other thread about the time rule thing, please go back to that thread and read my response. I thought you jumped on me for no reason, just like Mem did once. Both of you thought what I posted was an attack on Rafa. (Mems was a good while ago)

I just now reread your last post and I don’t think I said anything about serve and volley and baseline play. I’m confused. Go back to the other thread….I stand by everything I posted. I’m sorry you read something into that I didn’t mean. Maybe I don’t explain myself well.


Okiegal Says:

@Skeezer
It was a legitimate question. I did wonder how you were able to respond when it was showing up awaiting moderation…..and I would still like to know.

Skeezer, you gotta be real here…..Fed fans are just as bad towards Rafa as Rafa fans are to Fed. It’s a two way street…..both sides are rude to each other. Well, that the way I see it.

Watching Golden State….tight game. I’m for the Clippers because of Griffin playing for OU. Blake’s in trouble right now for having a little tussle on the court. The refs are researching the monitor now.

Hope you had a nice Christmas too!

Oops, Blake just got tossed!!


holdserve Says:

okiegal, I will try to search out the post where you said Rafa is limited but if I cannot find it, it is ok as you obviously admire Rafa. I have no idea what you meant by limited and it puzzled me exceedingly.

Anyway, it is nice to have you, Giles, Brando and Mem here. Hawkeye is also a big asset.
From skeezer’s reaction, it appears Aurora is new. She is likely to be a great addition to this site.
Poor skeezer and his sock puppets!!!!!


Okiegal Says:

@holdserve

Fair enough. I will research it and see if I can figure out the error of my ways…..because I certainly didn’t intend to allude to the fact that Rafa is limited……He is limited on time between points, however, and when he pushes the envelope a bit, I get nervous! But, obviously, you aren’t talking about that.


thomas Says:

Well. These two rafal and Sarina are the legendry players. The tennis history will never forget both and like these.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Okiegal theres a repeat of the USO final on sky tv today hope you can catch it if you get it where you are,the FO final was on yesterday which granted wasnt a particularly great match,but the occasion was good anyway,Rafa winning the title for the 8th time.


holdserve Says:

In a way, Rafa meeting Djoker in the semi at RG was good for Rafa though not for Djoker. Rafa was less nervous.


gonzalowski Says:

Hello to everybody
Nice reading as usual, the staff-stuff and the commentators’.
About doping: on one side, I think that it’s in poor taste speaking of it without really knowing; but well, at the end sports are recreational stuff, and not so important. These foros are for that, for me they are like a bar conversation, so there shouldn’t be such a tabu.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

I agree Fed fans have often said the same thing about Roger facing Rafa in the semis rather than in a final,they seem to like the idea of Novak and Roger been on opposite sides of the draw to have a chance of meeting in the final,i like the idea of Rafa and Andy been on opposite sides for a chance of meeting in a final,so it suits me too.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Gonzalowski i was about to have a rant about this article,till i actually read your post and then had a change of heart,and to be fair when Novak had that fantastic year in 2011,there were questions asked then,so its not as if Rafa is actually been singled out here.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

^Although i think we should leave out personal stuff like hair cuts for goodness sake.^


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

I agree with Okiegal the FO semi was somewhat tainted when Novak touched the net,many claiming Novak shouldve won the match in the 5th set if not for for that blahdy blah,even though Rafa shouldve closed the match out in the 4th set(sigh),anyway it seems Rafas FO GS are seen as niether here nor there really anyway anymore except to his fans,so when it comes to adding more to his legacy winning the USO for 2nd time was the more special GS of the year,as he now has multiple GS on all surfaces.


holdserve Says:

Hippy chic, every win of Rafa is tainted according to the haters. They accuse him of doping, of breaking the time rule, of getting coaching etc.
Let them rant.
I see no reason to agree that the FO win was tainted. Novak touched the net. He lost the point.
No need for Rafa fans to feel defensive.
Don’t let the haters rob you of the pleasure of Rafa winning. There was no way Rafa was going to lose that set. Just look at his eyes.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Holserve i dont condone the time he takes between points or the on court coaching,and thats true of all the players i say this as a fan of tennis though not purely as a fan of Rafa,as for the doping i suspect them all as i think you can make a case for any of them doping,people who simply single out Rafa or any one particular player look foolish IMO,as for haters of Rafa or again other players it says more about them and not the players themselves,i dont seek to belittle Novak or Rogers achievements to make me feel better about Rafas,so it irritates me when people do the same about Rafas ie the FO semi,thats why i brought up the fact that Rafa shouldve actually won the match in the 4th set,and why Novak touching the net took some of the gloss off the win,and why i enjoyed the USO win so much more with it been a HC GS,but when alls said and done ifs and buts mean nothing Rafa won both matches fair and square whichever way you dress it up.


Ben Pronin Says:

How am I a liar?

No, holdserve, Federer doesn’t offer the most suspicion. Was Santoro doping, too, then? Or Wayne Ferriera doping, too?

NOT missing a slam isn’t cause for suspicion. Skipping slams in your prime is. It points to a fear of getting caught. Especially skipping the Olympics. You can’t just change the red flags to fit your demented ideas. Just like you can’t claim the prestigious end of the year championships is an exhibition. It doesn’t work that way.

And please show me where there are stricter anti-doping policies? Especially considering that Federer has complained time and time again about being tested less now than he was 10 years ago. Mem calls me a liar and here you are just making stuff up.


holdserve Says:

How does missing slams show a fear of getting caught? Clearly you are ignorant of anti doping rules. In 2012 when Nadal was out of action he underwent 11 out of competition tests. So pl explain how skipping grand slams helps in not getting caught.
Earlier, all semi finalists at GS had to be tested. It is not so anymore.
Federer had the least number of tests in 2012.
Pl do not call me demented. Your bizarre claim that missing slams helps evade detection says more about your mental state.
Also you seem to be unaware that ITF has stepped up anti doping regime. All the top players had urged ITF to do so. It has introduced the biopassport in 2013. Its stricter regime promptly netted Cilic and Troicki.
Shame that you accuse others of making stuff up without bothering to verify facts.
Federer being tested less says ITF doesn’t want to catch him. Doesn’t say anything about policy.
Do you even know the meaning of policy?


holdserve Says:

Ben, pl clarify why you feel Federer being tested less proves that everybody is tested less?
Have you heard of something called stats or facts. No, I guess you have not.
Really you should be aware that there are things called facts and you should rely on them instead of basing yourself on bizarre assumptions and insulting other posters.


Ben Pronin Says:

The ITF just lists 7+ OOC tests for Nadal in 2012. Where did you get 11?

The slams only test players after they lose. Unless you win the whole thing.

I’m not unaware. Show me where they have stepped up. They said they were going to introduce the biopassport, but no one has confirmed its use at all.

The “stricter regime” doesn’t exist. Troicki and Cilic did not get caught on new rules. Cilic had extra glucose in his system that was detected during one of his standard tests. And Troicki decided to not get tested. These weren’t new rules. Shame on you for not verifying the facts.

Federer being tested less says everything about the policy. Why doesn’t the ITF watch him? Maybe because they’re trying to focus their resources on more likely dopers? All accusations aside, it’s dumb. The guy who’s been on top of tennis longer than anyone should never even consider that he may be being tested less than he was in prior years. That’s not a stricter policy. The ITF’s anti-doping regime is still a joke.


holdserve Says:

I forgot to mention one more suspicious thing about Federer. Why does he train in Dubai? It is the known haven of drug lords.
HGH clinics are openly advertised there as anti aging clinics.
ITF introduced the bio passport in 2013 and also claims to have HGH testing in place in 2013. Is it a coincidence that Fed’s performance dropped in 2013?
So Ben, your idol has provided more fodder for suspicion. Merely because you are innocent of facts, the true situation is not altered. and calling me names like demented etc isn’t going to alter any facts.


Ben Pronin Says:

http://www.itftennis.com/media/141081/141081.pdf
http://www.itftennis.com/antidoping/statistics/data.aspx

Here you go. The “stats” from 2012. Let’s analyze this, shall we? What does 1-3 mean? Does it mean the player was tested once? Twice? Or 3 times? Most players are participating in about 10-20 tournaments a year. What’s so strict about the testing if they’re only getting tested no more than 1/3 of the tournaments they play in?

Also, 63 OOC blood tests? Really? How much can urine really tell us if a player is using EPO or blood doping? Or any of the other super advanced PEDs that players can probably get a handle on? Even the in competition amount of blood samples is a joke.

Also, wise-old holdserve, if you had done any research about this topic you would know that the blood passport is very overrated. It is just the ITF trying to pull wool over everyone’s eyes. It’s an attempt to look like they’re being proactive without doing anything useful. Looks like we know why they keep getting away with this. Good on you, mate.


holdserve Says:

Ben, Nadal himself said he was tested 11 times and 7+ means more than 7.
Now you haven’t explained how missing grand slams helps in avoiding detection. You seem to be aware that there are out of competition tests.
So pl answer this:
QUESTION
How does skipping grand slams help in avoiding detection?
Do not AVOID answering above question.


skeezer Says:

“I forgot to mention one more suspicious thing about Federer….”

deflect attempt #1,193.


holdserve Says:

Ben, you said ITF had not introduced a stricter regime in 2013. They had announced they were going to do so. They introduced the bio passport.
In cycling introduction of the bio passport immediately resulted in a drop in performance of top stars in high altitudes indicating that earlier all were blood doping.
You seem to have no idea what bio passport is.
I do not want to waste my time educating you.
I have made my point that federe has provided more fodder for suspicion.
If you wish to dispute with facts, I will respond. But if you respond with bullying tactics, basing yourself on assumptions, I am not going to respond.


Ben Pronin Says:

You’re avoiding guaranteed testing.


holdserve Says:

Hey skeezer, looks like Ben is your sock puppet.


Ben Pronin Says:

“In theory, the Biological Passport news is a step in the right direction. In practice? Well, that remains to be seen. While it makes sense to establish blood profiles that provide a baseline with which to analyze subsequent drug tests, implementation is not so straight forward. The additional funding from the Grand Slams plus the financial boost from the ATP and WTA tours will reportedly inflate the ITF anti-doping budget to around $3.5 million, up from just under $2 million. But then consider that simply establishing a player’s profile would require a massive increase (think quadruple) in the current number of blood tests.

At first glance it would seem that even a half-baked passport program would, by nature of its existence, greatly improve the scope of the current testing infrastructure. But it appears all passport-related blood tests will be scheduled (i.e. the players know they are coming). Will the ITF increase blood tests four-fold to build each profile, and then pay for unannounced, out-of-competition tests on top of that?

The ITF’s proposed improvements made for great publicity, but with no apparent timeline or strategy for initiating the program, one can’t help but wonder if it’s a diversion tactic designed to halt a steady stream of criticism.”

http://www.tennisnow.com/News/Featured-News/In-the-War-on-Doping,-Discourse-Trumps-Bio-Passpor.aspx#sthash.Fh7EbLUY.dpuf


holdserve Says:

Ben,there is no longer guaranteed testing in competition. There are only random tests.
If a player misses a grand slam or withdraws, then he is guaranteed a test. It is the other way round, my dear.
You really are ignorant.


Ben Pronin Says:

“Perhaps that’s why Don Catlin, widely regarded as a founder of modern drug testing, described the move as “grandstanding.” Catlin also said the increased budget is still too low, and tennis is “far behind other sports” in its testing efforts. “I would tell them not to bother,” he told the Guardian UK. “They’re better off to increase the number of tests they do rather than spend it all on the passport. Doubling or tripling urine tests would be of more value than starting a passport because you need such a long lead-in. You need data over four or five years.”"


Ben Pronin Says:

You are always guaranteed to be tested at the slams.


holdserve Says:

Ben, you are quoting stuff now but you weren’t aware till I pointed out that there were changes in 2013 to ITF’s anti doping regime. You did not even know they had introduced the biopassport.
You quoted Federer’s decreasing tests to prove that ITF’s regime was worsening!!!!! Good Lord, do you even realize what a fool you have made of yourself?
Your ignorance has been exposed.


Sean Randall Says:

Oh look, a doping thread! What better way to celebrate the holidays, how can I participate?

Mem, while I didn’t write the bit about Nadal’s mystery knee juice, I also didn’t have a problem with the line. So I’m happy to take your complaints.


skeezer Says:

Is there any factual link that the Passport system is in effect?


holdserve Says:

Ben , pl read ITF’s anti doping rules. Earlier all semi finalists were tested but after 2011, they dropped this requirement.
There are no guaranteed tests at slams. But if you withdraw, you are immediately tested.
Why am I wasting my time educating you?
Pl educate yourself.
I am not wasting further time on arguing with someone who bases himself on his assumptions, not facts.
Pl read the anti doping rules and make reasoned arguments.
Till then, I am not responding.


skeezer Says:

“It has introduced the biopassport in 2013. Its stricter regime promptly netted Cilic and Troicki.”
Gets your facts straight. Read the link. Pl educate yourself.


Ben Pronin Says:

Hold the phone, holdserve. You just said no bullying.

No where did I say I didn’t know about the biopassport. I said it’s overrated. But I’ll admit that I didn’t know when it went into effect because I had no heard anything since March when they said they were GOING to implement, not that already had.

But yes, skeeze, according to Stuart Miller, the biopassport has gone into effect since August.

So therein lies the issue, no? Holdserve, according to you Troicki and Cilic were caught due to the biopassport. But that’s chronologically impossible and also completely implausible. The biopassport never needed to play a role in their miscues.

You’re also making it sound as if though there are OTHER things that the ITF is implementing, which is not the case at all. No where has anyone said that the tests would increase, which is what actually needs to happen biopassport or not. Federer said he’s had less blood tests in the past few years than in the past. Djokovic said that he didn’t have a blood test for 6-7 months between 2012 and 2013. How in the hell does the number 1 player in the world not get a blood test for half a year?? In or out of competition! This is the ITF anti-doping policy for you: pathetic. It has been and remains an absolute joke.

Now you’re telling me it’s gotten better because they implemented a blood passport. But again, what does this actually mean? Have they started analyzing old samples? How long does the ITF hold onto samples for? How far back are they willing to go, if at all? And how effective can it even be if there are so few blood tests to work with in the first place?

What can I say, Sean? Doping has become my forte.


Ben Pronin Says:

Holdserve, where did you get that from? Last I checked, every player gets tested after losing until they win the tournament.


Okiegal Says:

@Chic

I am on a cable and can’t get the sky network. I want to change to a dish satellite and I would have more options. Thanks for the info….because my neighbor does!

This thread is getting all dopey and stuff……I’m gone!


holdserve Says:

Well Ben, pl go to the ITF site and read the pdf, for God’s sake instead of making assumptions.

No tournament is mandatory now.

What you are saying was true till 2011.
Not any more.


cmac324 Says:

It’s really out of line to make insinuations about the legality of Nadal’s recovery methods and then being so childish as to comment on his hair loss (which happens to many, many young men). All it does is show how petty and cruel the writer is. All we need to be concerned about is Rafa’s amazing performance, unless there’s evidence of foul play or the writer is somehow interested in his appearance. I don’t think that’s part of the 2013 stats.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Okiegal im watching a repeat of the USO final right now,Novak played a great match but superb serving from Rafa dug him out of trouble when he was in trouble,im also done on the whole doping subject,its a shame really that he has to stomach so much negativity,when his only crime was to play tennis,cie la vie.


Ben Pronin Says:

I checked the PDF. Why don’t you just paste the part where it says this? I didn’t find anything that said that it’s not mandatory for tournaments to carry out tests.


mem Says:

Sean Randall,

I didn’t say you wrote those lines; maybe you are the coward. how do I know who wrote them if the writer is too cowardly to attach his name. your words don’t surprise me! I know your history of lying, fabricating the truth, exploiting information about nadal to tear him down. put your proof where your post is and produce any article that you or any writer here @ tx wrote questioning novak djokovic’s sudden rise to an unparalleled level of fitness that propelled him to one of the greatest winning streaks in tennis history (2011) considering his documented history of lack of endurance,retirements, medical problems, etc. post the link! i’m sure you don’t have a problem with these lines; quite frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were the one wrote them.


Okiegal Says:

@Chic

His serving was key in that match. They both played great. I think Novak was the nervous one in that match. I have part of that match taped. There was some great shot making on both sides.
the 54 point rally took my breath away……even though Rafa lost the point.

I have a good friend who loves sports too> She watched tennis a little but not as much as me…..well guess what?? I got her hooked on Rafa…..imagine that!! I kept talking about what a good player he was and she got curious. I have tainted another human being…..in being a Rafa fan. LOL

Tired of doping talk, however.

Hope you had a great holiday!!! I certainly did. I have a 3 day girls basketball tourney I am going to. First game starts at 3….got to get ready. Try to keep the posters from getting too riled up on this forum…..impossible!
BTW, saw where Andy lost to Tsonga, sorry about that. Hope his back wasn’t an issue today.


holdserve Says:

Ben, how can I paste something which is not there?

You have said testing at GS is mandatory. Pray tell me where you found that in the pdf? If you couldn’t find it, it means testing at grand slams is not mandatory.

If something is mandatory, it has to be stated.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Mem just to say Sean Randall did question Novaks amazing year in 2011,im not saying that i agree with this article or whether he did or didnt write it as like you i dont know, just merely saying that i dont think its personal even though some are making it personal,i believe its just a generalisation like they do with many players that have had a year like Rafas just had,im just trying to use a little perspective,although i think they shouldve left his hair style out of it.


mem Says:

Tennis X Hippy,

I understand that you like to be in harmony with everyone, but come on, surely you don’t believe what you are saying. when has roger or novak for that matter ever been personally attacked and disrespected by writers on this site as is nadal? when? I would love to read the contents of any article proving me wrong.

with all due respect, you are naïve if you think sean randall’s attacks on nadal are not personal.

anyway, I’m sure sean doesn’t mind posting a reference link.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Mem it has nothing to with been in harmony with everybody, i think your missing the point,after Novak has his great year the tennis x staff put up a thread about doping questioning his year,also there was a thread saying was Novaks year in 2011 a fluke it would certainly seem that way?i remember a poster called Alok whos a Federer fan questioning Novaks year and getting attacked by all the Novak fans,and he simply said i knew there was no piont in trying to have a sensible conversation here(or words to that effect)god forbid anybody should actually question Novak?look to the right of your computer as theres an A to Z list of old threads on various topics and im sure you will find it,failing that im sure Sean will post a link if you ask him,as i unfortunatly dont know how to post links otherwise i would?


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Mem A thread that said how does Novak recover so quickly from long matches,hes not saying?and the very 1st post on that thread was from Ben who said sketchy stuff,and i said i thought so too Ben,the thread was by Tom Gainey,or does that make Tom Gainey a Novak hater?


Ben Pronin Says:

Holdserve, there are PDFs for tournament testing. The ITF hasn’t put them up for the past few years it seems.

So what does this prove? Nadal skipping slams isn’t an indicator of anything. But why’s that? Because the ITF anti-doping system is a joke. An unbelievable lack of transparency. You’re saying the majors don’t have mandatory testing? So anyone and everyone can dope without thinking twice about it. Are you kidding me?


Ben Pronin Says:

Mem, stop lying. Djokovic never had a history of lack of endurance.


Sean Randall Says:

mem, you got me. As everyone here will confirm, I only write positive, gracious things about my favorite player Novak. Jingle bells.

In all seriousness mem.

I do/did wonder who a player like Djokovic who couldn’t last three sets in the heat suddenly became the fittest player on the tour, almost overnight.

And as someone who’s had knee problems before, I do wonder what Rafa did to get them back to health and better than ever.

Djokovic is now capitalizing on his routine with a new book apparently outlining how he rebuilt his body. Maybe Nadal will follow-up with what he did to heal those knees. Hence the “market the secret sauce and make more millions” quip. I know I would.

As for Federer, I’ve never had mono so it’s hard for me to know what Federer went through or how bad it was. That said, I do wonder why he was able to play through whereas Robin Soderling is still sidelined.


mem Says:

Sean Randall,

just as I expected. you have no proof, just empty words. a leopard can’t change his spots.
when what you write determines the extent of nadal’s success, then, I will start to worry. otherwise, continue do what you do. after all, you are who you are.

vamos rafa!


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Thankyou Sean for proving my point.


Okiegal Says:

@Chic

Some posters on this forum want all Rafa fans to put a hate on other players…..you and I just don’t do that. They feel like we are disrespectful of Rafa when we are not putting hate on Fed and Novak. Hey, Rafa doesn’t hate them …why should I?? Besides all that, I try to be a decent human being and my love for tennis and my favorite player isn’t going to change that. If people get on my case because of it……well, too bad! I have been called out on it by two posters and I think you know who. The back and forth banter is childish, to say the least. I think I’m way too mature for the majority of people on this forum as it is…..just saying.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Okiegal DITTO i get the gist of what its all about here,if i defend Rafa im biased,if i dont defend Rafa im only doing it because i want a peacefull life,if i defend Novak or Roger im a judas(as ive been called before),seems your damned if you dont and damned if you do,i wonder sometimes if its really worth the bother sometimes to be honest….err just saying.


Okiegal Says:

Novak changed his diet, RAFA stayed off his knees for a few months and the only fix for mono is complete bed rest. I have never had mono but have friends who have and they were forced to drop out of college for a full year. It’s not called the kissing disease for nothing……highly contagious! Soderling still out…..mono…..doping?? Who knows, but I believe in giving all players the benefit of the doubt until their is proof. Doping accusations are vile and I don’t care which player is singled out……my fav or your fav……it’s unfair.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Okiegal furthur more i agree with what you said to Skeezer in that each player has their own fair share of fans that are over zealous shall we say.


Ben Pronin Says:

Let’s not forget Ancic retired because of mono.


Giles Says:

True and sincere Rafans should defend our man no matter what. Take a cue from mem, holdserve. Slice Tennis, Brando for example. But some here are always fraternising with the joker and fed camps even to the extent of criticising Rafa. Leave the criticisms to the others, as they will always come in full flow no matter what Rafa does or does not do. Do the fed fans ever criticise fed? Some fed fans might become very boisterous and say he is a saint and perfect in every way. Not true. Everybody has their faults but to come outright and agree with the fed and joker fans when they criticise Rafa is not, in my opinion, being supportive of Rafa. You might agree with some of the criticisms of Rafa but geez, do you really have to voice your agreement?
Vamos Rafa!


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Sean was the one actually calling Rafa the GOAT after the USO too.


mem Says:

Okiegal & Tennis X Hippy

just for the record, I have no problems with how you guys handle your business nor do I care. the way you support your favorite player is your decision. it doesn’t change what I do one way or the other. I don’t care what people think of me. maybe you do! at any rate, do what you feel is good for you! you don’t owe anyone an explanation, certainly not me.

enjoy the season!


mem Says:

Amen Giles! Spot on!

Amen, Amen!


Ben Pronin Says:

“True and sincere Rafans should defend our man no matter what.”

Preach it, Giles! Blind worship is the only kind of worship! Rafa Nadal is a saint and no one should ever question that!


Giles Says:

Sorry Hawkeye, you are of course included in my list of names in my post at 1.58 am. :-))


Giles Says:

Ben. If you say so, after all you are always right, no?


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Mem yes indeed the way we support our favorites is our buisness,im a fan not a fanatic,and i believe in been fair to the other players,strange you say it doesnt bother you how i support my favorite yet you still replied to my post which was to Okiegal,anyway thanks i will enjoy the season you too.


mem Says:

Tennis X Hippy,

sure I replied! sorry, but I didn’t know there was a stipulation attached. anyway, I admire your “objectivity.” you are one of the very few rafafans who possess that ability. it’s rare and refreshing! we rafafans need fellow fans like you to keep us on the straight and narrow path of objectivity. it’s all good!


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Mem ok then,i rather get a hint of sarcasm in that post,still never mind ehh.


Okiegal Says:

@mem

Obviously you do care because you called me out on it a few months ago. I don’t really care what people think of me either.

@Giles

The only thing I have voiced on this forum is the time warnings. I would be crushed if he lost a point or a match because of it. I’ve also said that Novak is guilty of time issue too. I have probably said also that sometimes his serve lets him down in some important points…….but that is exactly what he says too……I’m echoing Rafa. He also says he doesn’t intend to take a long time, because of his focus the time gets away from him but he was going to work on it and try to be faster….hey he uses two towels now!

@men…….you have a good season too!!


Okiegal Says:

@Chic……….lost cause!! LOL. Me thinks.


Hawkeye Says:

Thanks Giles but they have me on a very tight leash now and very few of my posts are published. Perhaps not even this one.

Merry Christmas!
Vamos!


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Okiegal lol indeed we are both wasting our breath,and i dont care what people think of me either,the only thing ive ever tried to do is be fair.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Okiegal saw your post at 11.57am,i missed Andys match as we dont get it where i am,The DA said he didnt look too bad considering it was his 1st match back just a little rusty which was to be expected,so i hope this bodes well for the AO,to be honest im sick of bickering so i would just like to talk about the tennis now,one of my closest friends is a Federer fan but she says she admires and respects Rafa and loves their rivalry,she has even said she thinks Rafa will surpass Roger,and only Novak,Andy and Delpo can stop that happening(her words not mine),she doesnt care if Roger wins or loses she just loves to watch him play,when Rafa was off the tour she said it will be great to have him back on tour,as the game hadnt been the same without him,i know i know shame on me having the audacity to fratenise with a Federer fan especially been a Rafa fan and all.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

^And BTW yeah i did have a nice christmas even though i was working and im galad you did too^.


Giles Says:

Hey Hawkeye. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Vamos!


Giles Says:

“I know I know shame on me having the audacity to fraternise with a Federer fan especially been a Rafa fan and all”.
Really not concerned with who your friends are.
Geez even I have fed friends, just not on this forum!!


skeezer Says:

@Sean,
Didn’t think she got your joke lol ;)….

Give you credit for rolling with the punches there. I was ready to start posting “links” a la mode but its the Holidays, what the heck.


holdserve Says:

Ben Pronin , I don’t know what you mean by pdfs for tournament testing.
There is only ONE book for antidoping rules and that is the authority, not what you think,. Every year a new rule book is brought out and you should look at the one for each year.
Anyway, I am really surprised by your ignorance and insistence on pointing out irrelevant things.
I expected you to have a minimum of ability to understand rules etc but looks like you choose not to do any research and say all wrong things with confidence.
well I cannot reform you but have to just ignore your posts.


holdserve Says:

Ben, do not misquote me. I did not say Troicki etc were caught by bio passport. I said they were caught by the stricter regime. You denied that the regime had been tightened and claimed it was worse because Fed was being tested less and less. Clearly you did not know about the demand by all top players that ITF should tighten its testing and ITFs response in 2013. Introduction of bio passport is only one of them. More frequent testing is the other. I understand they have also introduced tests for HGH. And Fed is not the standard. If he was tested less this year, it doesn’t mean every body else was.
Frankly this argument with you is tedious as you do not base yourself on facts.
I am leaving this forum for a couple of days so I will not feel frustrated by reading your posts which are so irrational.
Good bye


holdserve Says:

Ben pronin and skeezer, you guys don’t seem to know what the bio passport is. It cannot “catch” anyone like a doping test for banned substances does. You cannot say someone has tested positive on the bio passport!!!
I do not want to waste my time in educating you on how the bio passport works.
Troicki refused a random test which is as good as an admission that he was doping. He was caught because ITF became more serious about random tests and scheduled him for one.
Just do some reading before shooting your mouth off.


skeezer Says:

holdserve,
Delusional at best. Yes u did say that, don’t try to wiggle out of it. And if you don’t know what a PDF is, you need a better education.


holdserve Says:

I wasn’t saying I don’t know what a pdf is. I said I don’t knoiw what Ben means by PDFs of tournaments. It is rubbish, to put it plainly. Don’t you guys understand english. Pray tell me what sense pdf of tournaments makes?


holdserve Says:

….pdfs for tournament testing….


holdserve Says:

How do pdfs for tournament testing, whatever they might mean, prove that tests at Grand slams are mandatory? Ben was insisting that they were mandatory and I asked him to check the pdf on the ITF site. I don’t know what pdf he checked but he came out with the nonsense about pdfs for tournament testing. I was referring to the pdf for the rule book. I hope by now he has found that pdf and gone through it to satisfy himself that testing at grand slams is not mandatory. Even earlier it was not mandatory for everyone. Only for semi finalists. For others it was random. Now it is random for all.
I must shut down my laptop otherwise I will go on responding to your silly posts.


skeezer Says:

“I must shut down my laptop…”

No… Really? About time. Rejoice! No more jibber jabber.


Patson Says:

Guys guys guys, we need to chillax a bit.

Ben says Nole has never had endurance problems. Come on man, I’m a huge Nole fan but this isn’t true at all. Nole had these endurance problems while players in the locker room thought he’s a quitter. In case I’ve missed your point, wasn’t gluten causing endurance problems for him till he figured he was allergic to it ? In fact, he has admitted that on many occasions. Irrespective of the number of retirements he had in 2011 vs other years, the fact – as confirmed by Novak himself – is that his endurance has improved since going gluten-free. He used to have these big match retirements e.g retires against Nadal in French 06 QF, retires in AO 09 (gets critized by Federer in the press) etc.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/aus09/news/story?id=3863682

And not to forget what Roddick had to say about him before his US open match in 08.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPgWoOon8-w

Murray didn’t play the French Open this year. Are we going to become suspicious of him as well ? Now Nadal has missed more grand slams but that isn’t a justification to accuse he is serving a silent ban. It might simply be the case that like Murray, he probably thought he isn’t 100 percent and he won’t be able to win the thing, so he didn’t play. Would Federer do that ? I don’t know. May be he won’t. May be he has a different mentality. Players are different and they think differently.

I always feel that we should avoid unnecessarily questioning the integrity of players. Doing so does not lead to any meaningful discussions. I also think it is a bit unethical to do so. This rule needs to be applied across the board, not just to the player you personally like.


Patson Says:

I don’t think Rafa fans should question Nole’s improved endurance. Nole was allergic to glutten, he hired a nutritionist, he figured out he has gluten allergy, he fixed his diet and his endurance improved.

I truly believe all these guys i.e Nole, Nadal, Federer, Murray etc. are clean as a whistle. There is ABSOLUTELY no need to even insinuate who uses PEDs and who doesn’t. Let’s just leave it at that. Just because Armstrong or Contador or anybody else used PEDs should not lead us to suspect everybody.
What’s the fun in watching a sport if deep down you keep believing the other guy is a doper ? Why would somebody even watch the sport if they hold on to such a belief ?


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Patson two fantastic posts,you brought back some sanity to this thread,as it just became about fans ranting,i disagree though its not that i want to believe thats players could be doping,and i certainly hope not,but unfortunatly the sad reality is its the world we live in,and because of the likes of Armstrong and Contador we cannot rule it out,i believe our sport for the most part is clean,but i dont think any player is above suspicion,Rafas amazing year this year,Noles amazing year in 2011,Rogers ablity to have multiple amazing years,Andy missing for the rest of 2013 back surgery hmmm,Delpo missing for 2010 wrist surgery hmmm????IMO you could make a case for any of them,as i say i certainly dont believe and hope that they are not upto no good,but sometimes you still have that thought at the back of your mind,so it doent hurt i suppose to ask questions,my two cents.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Giles i can see i was wasting my time trying to have a sensible discussion,i was merely pointing out that its possible for different fan groups to get on with each other,after all i thought it was a forum for different fan groups to talk tennis with one another,and not engage in silly fan warfare,obviously i was wrong.


Daniel Says:

Sorry to some Nadal fans but the Nadal
“suspicious” doesn’t exists only in their minds.

I prefer to give him the benefit of doubt. But if you discuss tennis in several groups, clubs or with friends that follow sports the name Nadal almost always generate suspicious regarding doping (due to his physical frame, which I personally don’t even think is all that much, several players to me have more athletic bodies) and his peculiar knee condition.
Basically, pro Nadal will not believe and react as most of you do, the not so found of him, bring it to the table. A friend of mine was in spain in a subway once and a spanish guy who was talking with him said: “Nadal is doping and we all know it”. My friend (nadal fan), didn’t believe but was kind of shocked. this was when the rumors regarding that medic list of Spanish athletes that were on doping were circulating.
Evertyime I am in a group and we start discussing tennis with more than 4 people 1 usually bring the doping thing.

Some of them think like Ben, who think that basically everybody (top names) uses something and it’s cove.

The Agassi incident which happens way back was covered imagine if they test a fed, Djoko or Nadal positive?!

And I remember when Nadal first took time off, and did not play Olympics, somebody posted during Olympics that Nadal was on a 6 months silent ban and he would only return after AO 2013. Guess what happened?!

He will always bring more doubts than other players in this topic and no matter how hard you try to dismiss or insult who ever raise this questions, it is a fact, constant topic and you have to deal with it, best way you can:)

I just find it amusing that you all react so shocked as if this is being raised for the first time..


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Daniel no im not shocked when Rafas name gets mentioned when the word doping gets brought up,id be more shocked if it didnt to be honest,obviously as a fan i would be dissapointed if he were,but not entirely shocked as its the world we live in unfortunatly,but as i alluded to you can make a case for any of them for the exact reasons i stated in my above post,i often wondered where Novaks amazing year in 2011 that came from nowhere,and how Roger played at that level year after year,Andys abscence,Delpos abscence,Sodas abscence,Serenas abscence hmmm????im not a Rafa fan whos have a rant im just using a little perspective,Kimberly said something a while back and she plays the game so knows more about these things than i do,if Rafa is doping i wouldnt bet against Novak,Roger or Andy doping too,as not all PEDs make you bulk anyway.


okiegal Says:

Rafa fan here……not shocked at all. These accusations have been going on forever. If he is, he is not by himself. A lot of the top players have done some extra ordinary things in their careers……so who knows. But what I don’t understand about the doping issues…..why do they condone a silent ban? Well, I do know in part they don’t want to ruin tennis, per say…..but a SB doesn’t take care of the problem imho…..just saying.


Tennis X Hippy Chic Says:

Okiegal top post,exactly my thoughts if Rafa is upto no good i would stake my life and everything i own on him not been the only one,no matter how snow white a player seems to be,IMHO there should be no such thing as a SB anyway,make the ban public knowledge,it would be a wake up call to the rest of the tour saying we will not tolerate doping in our beautiful game,lets have more testing,test all players all the time at every touney for all i care,the more testing the better,bring it on.


Okiegal Says:

@Chic

The silent ban makes no sense to me either….it’s like we caught you doping, but we’re gonna keep it quiet. Why??? I just don’t think that’s the proper way to handle the matter. I can dope and if I’m caught I’ll serve a silent ban…..not such a bad deal. I think it’s ludicrous. If it’s rampant, like some posters are alluding to, there needs to be other options……being silent shouldn’t be one of them. I agree with you that there needs to be more testing. Maybe that’s the answer to the problem.

There are so many things about PEDS that I don’t understand. I get that they bulk you up but curing a person’s bad knees, don’t get that. The plasma replacement Rafa gets on his knees occasionally is legal, isn’t it? Is that what people are calling doping?? Just wondering.

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