Australian Open SF Open Thread: Roger Federer v Rafael Nadal
by Staff | January 23rd, 2014, 6:19 pm
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The rivalry between Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal resumes tonight Down Under in the Australian Open semifinals. The Spaniard has dominated Federer winning 22 of their 32 career meetings including 8 of 10 at the Grand Slam level.

Federer however has high hopes to break a recent 4-match losing streak to Rafa. After vintage victories over Jo-Wilfried Tsonga and Andy Murray, the 32-year-old is playing better than ever with his new larger racquet and playing without any back discomfort. And with new coach Stefan Edberg by his side he’s taken a more aggressive approach at the tournament.

Rafael Nadal now stands just six sets from an Open Era first, a second career Slam, but a recent bout of blisters has hampered his ability to serve. The World No. 1 is still undefeated on the season and riding an 12 match Grand Slam win streak.

Awaiting the winner in the Sunday final is first time Grand Slam finalist Stanislas Wawrinka.

The match begins at 7:30pm local time in Melbourne.

NO. 1 RAFAEL NADAL (ESP) v NO. 6 ROGER FEDERER (SUI)
Head-to-head: Nadal leads 22-10

Since Federer won his first Grand Slam at 2003 Wimbledon, either Federer or Nadal have won at least one Slam title every year.

Federer and Nadal are the only 2 Grand Slam champions left in the men’s main draw from the 6 to start. They have won 30 of the last 42 Grand Slams. Only 6 other men have won Grand Slam titles in that period – Andy Roddick, Gaston Gaudio, Marat Safin, Novak Djokovic, Juan Martin del Potro and Andy Murray.

This is the pair’s first Grand Slam meeting since they met at the same stage here in 2012. Federer has not defeated Nadal at a major since 2007 Wimbledon and has never defeated the Spaniard at a hard court Grand Slam.

Nadal is one of just 2 active players who have had more than one career meeting with Federer to hold a winning head-to-head, the other is Murray (11-10).

This is the second Grand Slam semifinal between 2 men who have achieved the career Grand Slam, after Federer and Nadal contested the first in the 2012 semifinals here. It is just the 5th time in history that 2 men have met at a major having achieved the career Grand Slam. Roy Emerson and Rod Laver met at majors twice after achieving the career Grand Slam and Federer and Nadal met at 2011 Roland Garros and the 2012 Australian Open having both won the title at all 4 majors.

Top seed and 2009 Australian Open champion NADAL is bidding to reach the final here for the 3rd time. He is playing at the Australian Open for the first time since 2012. He missed the event last year with a knee injury.

Nadal is bidding to reach his 19th Grand Slam final. He is currently in joint-3rd place with Pete Sampras on the all-time list of most appearances in Grand Slam finals.

Nadal is bidding to win his 2nd Australian Open title and become the first man in the Open Era – and only the 3rd man in history – to win each of the 4 Grand Slam titles twice. Roy Emerson and Rod Laver are the only players to have won each Grand Slam on 2 or more occasions.

Nadal is looking to win his 14th Grand Slam title and equal Pete Sampras on the list of all-time Grand Slam title holders. He is currently 3rd on the list behind today’s opponent (17) and Sampras (14).

Four-time Australian Open champion FEDERER is bidding to set an Open Era record for the most Australian Open final appearances. He is looking to become the first man in the Open Era to reach 6 finals at Melbourne Park.

Federer is bidding to reach his 25th Grand Slam final, and extend the all-time record that he took sole ownership of at 2009 Wimbledon. Federer has a 24-9 record in Grand Slam semifinals.

Federer is bidding to become the 4th different man in the Open Era to reach the Australian Open final aged 32 or over. At 32 years 171 days, he would become the 5th oldest Australian Open finalist overall.

This is Federer’s 11th consecutive Australian Open semifinal, an Open Era record. By reaching the last 4 here this year, he has extended his record for the most consecutive semifinal appearances at the Australian Open ahead of Ivan Lendl (6) and Stefan Edberg (5). He also holds the Open Era record for the most consecutive semifinal appearances at Wimbledon (7) and Roland Garros (5).
(ITF)

ATP STATS BREAKDOWN
NADAL HIGHLIGHTS
• “70-70 Club” on serve – 70% 1st serves in play – 77% 1st serve points won (winning almost 60% on 2nd serves as well) – saved 72% (18 of 25) break points faced
• Strong return game – 77% hit back in play – 34% won returning 1st serves – 58% won returning 2nd serves – 21 breaks of serve in 14 sets played
• Big forehand weapon – 74 forehand winners

FEDERER HIGHLIGHTS
• Dominant serving – 83% 1st serve points won – 61% 2nd serve points won – broken twice in 77 service games
• Very solid baseline play so far – great forehand (66 winners only 57 unforced errors), more aggressive backhand (32 backhand winners) and very aggressive and effective at net (won 135 of 178 net approaches)
• Has matched Nadal’s return of serve numbers through five rounds, breaking serve 30% of the time – his question mark is his ability to convert break chances – he’s converted just 33% (22 of 66)

FRIDAY AUSTRALIAN OPEN SCHEDULE
Rod Laver Arena 3:00 pm Start Time
1. Mixed Doubles – Semifinals
Sania Mirza (IND)[6] vs. Jarmila Gajdosova (AUS)
Horia Tecau (ROU)[6] Matthew Ebden (AUS)

Not Before: 4.00pm
2. Women’s Doubles – Final
Sara Errani (ITA)[1] vs. Ekaterina Makarova (RUS)[3]
Roberta Vinci (ITA)[1] Elena Vesnina (RUS)[3]

Not Before: 7.30pm
3. Men’s Singles – Semifinals
Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] vs. Roger Federer (SUI)[6]

LADBROKES ODDS
Rafael Nadal 1.61 v Roger Federer 2.25

WEATHERUNDERGROUND MELBOURNE FORECAST
Rain early…then remaining cloudy with showers and windy conditions developing for the afternoon. High 23C. Winds SW at 25 to 40 kmh. Rainfall around 6mm.

Tonight: Windy and partly cloudy this evening. Mostly cloudy with diminishing winds after midnight. Low 15C. Winds SSW at 15 to 30 kmh.

U.S. TELEVISION SCHEDULE
ESPN has live coverage starting at 3:30am Friday morning. ESPN3.com will offer live streaming of Federer-Nadal.

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375 Comments for Australian Open SF Open Thread: Roger Federer v Rafael Nadal

Humble Rafa Says:

70% of people who visit this forum think the Arrogant One will win this.

OK


lylenubbins Says:

Love Rafa and want him to get the record, but also love Fed and would love to see him back in the mix! Just hope Rafa’s hand is not too bad and Fed does not go into overagressive-shank mode


TGIT Says:

I just hope Roger puts it all out there and rises to the challenge. Too often he just shrinks in front of Nadal.


autoFilter Says:

Reading through the comments in the past couple threads, I find it interesting how a single blister has somehow progressively escalated to “blisters” and now (in this article) a “bout of blisters”. Fans must be especially nervous about this one…

If Federer does somehow manage to pull off the upset and people try to discredit it by saying “Nadal had a blister!”, I am not going to know whether to laugh or cry. Anyway, Rafa has stated repeatedly that the blister isn’t an issue so much as is the tape. And I’m willing to bet that if he feels like a little piece of tape is interfering with his quest for number 14 at the SF stage against a man he has every reason to believe he can beat, he will remove the tape and play with a bleeding palm if he needs to. I mean, come on, we are talking about Rafael Nadal here.


madmax Says:

Blisters sheesters. Seriously. The man could play with a wooden leg, metal hand and a canoe for a racquet.

Stop with the excuses.

Can you just imagine the furore, should federer win?

Purcell. Hope you are right. Really do.

About time.


roy Says:

nadal explained the reason the tape is affecting his serve is because of fear of slippage when he accelerates the racquet. he doesn’t have enough grip and he’s compensating.

the fact is he was serving 10km slower against grigor and that’s an issue whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

as for federer’s game, he beat tsonga. good. but murray was not 100% and that was clear to anybody watching it. federer played well but murray was serving slow and struggling towards the latter part of the match. they even showed how his groundstroke speed was 8km down from their 2013 match there. and his return was well below par.

murray was clearly undercooked going into the open after being out for so long and for that reason federer got lucky.


gannu Says:

I am already half dead before the match
rather will take some sleeping pill and
snooze off instead of suffering heart
attacks…

I hope feddy bear pulls this off…
Edberg pls help him achieve this
miracle…

just havent slept for 2 days now;-)


Humble Rafa Says:

Public Interest Announcement

This match will feature break points on my serve, which as you know Humble will save as he always does.

Not for the faint hearted. Please consult your doctor.


Pitchaboy Says:

The roof is closing as I said earlier. Rafa Nadal is firming up his excuses.


Pitchaboy Says:

Somebody here could be Humbled Rafa in a few hours


Gannu Says:

Haha Humble Rafa…

Yes…i will keep all the emergency pills ready and also an ambulance waiting oustide my home ;-)


Skeezer Says:

“The roof is closing as I said earlier. Rafa Nadal is firming up his excuses.”
Lol. Don’t forget the blister and the whining of the courts are too fast.


Skeezer Says:

@roy
As usual, your “undercooked” in your posting. Ever took into consideration that Murrays play might be caused by Feds relentless offense? Not. According to u its all about murray not being 100%. Don’t buy it. Murray has played possum before with acting all injured on court whilst winning the match in the end.


Humble Rafa Says:

Just got Uncle Toni’s strategy for the match.

1) Hit to his backhand
2) Serve to his backhand
3) Repeat 1 and 2.

Vamos


Thomas Says:

Federer will probably lose.


Gannu Says:

Humble Rafa…you are one amazing guy…love ur posts…atleast makes me laugh when i am so tensed…


Polo Says:

There once was a guy here who was an avid and rabid Djokovic fan who was very condescending and insulting to everybody and anybody who was not a Novak fan. He was exceptionally mean to Murray before the Wimbledon finals. He disappeared after the finals. He was supposed to put up a sports website. I forgot his name. I wonder how he is and how he is feeling right now that Djokovic has lost in two additional consecutive majors. I am mentioning this in case somebody knows if that website is running now so that I don’t make the mistake of logging in that site.


kjb Says:

I am pretty excited to watch this match. I feel there is so much on the line for both guys. For Rafa, to win 2 at every major and a get one closer to Fed and to really shore up that #1 spot. For Fed, to prove to himself and the world that he still contend for the big ones and a win would give him at least 5 at 3 different majors.

My heart tells me Fed………My head tells me Rafa

Take it too him Rog!


Rick Says:

Rafa for the kill! Federer is the victim, could be win three sets!


Dc Says:

Fed is not mentally strong – Rafa is going to bore him with his lasso shots . Irritated federer will start shanking and loose – we all know how it works.


James Says:

@Polo, you talking about the self proclaimed tennis guru? The guy with “superior” tennis IQ? I thought he was more of a Fed fanboy.
The guy was a genius. He liked talking about Rafa and Murray and how they were inferior to Nole. He gave Muzza 0.12% something chance to win Wimbledon. And he was sure Rafa wouldn’t win much outside of clay.
Funny how his predictions turned out :)

#dm


Rick Says:

Old Fed is already dead tired playing Murray(Who hasn’t played for a few months)and Ali.


Rick Says:

I don’t take Rafa playing anyone on the tour seriously, except Djokovic. But now that, he is gone. Like coach like apprentice! NOW NOLE, WHERE ARE ALL THE BALLS? hehehehe


Rick Says:

NOLE HASN’T WON A SLAM FOR A YEAR! He is only good for those indoor tournaments for the year end. That is what he did for the last 2 years.


Dc Says:

Fed will win the first set ; he will start collapsing by the second. After losing the second set ; he’ll put up a good fight and win the third set . Rafa will be warmed up after three sets and will crush a shanking and tired Federer.- we all know this is how it works.


Rick Says:

This will be Rafa’s fourteen slams! And Sampras will probably comes out to present him the award. History in the making, even more brilliance than Fed’s. If Rafa wins this, he will be chasing a second CAREER SLAMS. And winning all four GS has a pretty good chance. Since the next one is Roland Garros! Has Fed done this before? NOPE!!!


Rick Says:

Rafa looks good, if not hurt. Since he has won a tournanment in Doha. As for Fed, I think it is just the moments of brilliance. Like Connors did at the 1991 US semi. Then was getting thumped in the semi. As for Fed, probably just the moment of brilliance of his racquet. If he can’t beat Hewitt in the final of a tournament. I doubt that he could do it to Rafa at a GS.


Dc Says:

Wawarinka beats Rafa in 4 sets. He’s been playing amazing tennis ; is hungry to win ; he’s fitter than ever before.
Rafas blisters will be worse after winning a grueling four setter against Fed and he will not be rested enough to put up another four hour fight on Sunday.


Rick Says:

Warinka probably tired after all those tough matches he had to get into the final. And Rafa owns him mentally. As for Fedfans, they are always overjoy for things.


Polo Says:

@James: Yes, that guy who claimed to be smarter than and treated everyone like dirt. He is the genius that Wimledon turned into a toad.


Polo Says:

Overlapping GOATs. Winner: tennis fans


Rick Says:

The new racquet might gives Fed better power to the serve. But his game hasn’t change. And Rafa is in his head, which he could never gets him out. Like how a great champion like Rafa is, being able to get Nole out of his head, to reclaim his number 1 again. Fed will has alot of pressures on his serve, probably worrying what Rafa could do with it. So he will be making alot of errors with his serve and backhand.


Rick Says:

This would be Rafa’s 23 wins against Fed.


James Says:

@Dc,

I want Rafa to win his 14th slam title. But if Wawrinka takes it, I’d be happy for Stan. I’d like to see a non big four player win a slam.

I just don’t want Nadal to lose to Federer. Roger’s won so many titles already.


Rick Says:

As for Edberg being Federer’s coach. I think Federer is a better player than Edberg was. And he plays serve and volley, which is a thing in the past. But Edberg has poor forehand, but known to as a good backhand. Maybe Fed hires him as a coach to improve his backhand. Btw, with all these new coaches from 80′s? Why nobody wants to hire Wilander??


Rick Says:

Warinka could wins as many as he likes, but only when Rafa fullfill his destiny to be GOAT! hehe


Michael Says:

Conversion of break points has been the achilles heel of Roger against Rafa and I am not sure if he has found a way out of this hole ? Even against Andy, Roger had so many break points that went unsung and that certainly is not a good augury when he is facing Rafa. It has happened so many times in their intense rivalry that Roger would be leading by a set to love and would also be leading in the second and about to break Rafa’s serve with multiple break points at his command, but distressingly he would fail to convert any of those and Rafa would produce some special Tennis pleasing the Gods to out manoevure Roger and from thereon it would be Rafa all the way in the match. Will this time be any different ? Well, only time can tell. Ofcourse critiques of Roger may be right in their assessment that when a young Roger could not make it against Rafa, how can you expect a 32 year old to perform a magic ? But, although in my mind, I am reconciled to a defeat, yet my heart says otherwise and rooting for Roger all the way. I somehow hope Roger would chase the demons that are entrenched in his head when facing Rafa and he would go on to produce his magical Tennis to finally win. Let us see what is in store ? Nevertheless it should be engrossing match to watch despite the lop sided rivalry.


Michael Says:

The most difficult job in Tennis is to beat Rafa in a five setter. That is the reason, I hail Novak profusely. Here is the man who knows how to beat Rafa in a major ? May be his double handed back hand helps his cause, but yet beating Rafa always requires something special.


metan Says:

@ Michael nice posts as usual. RELAX and enjoy the match . The prince and the beast of tennis. May the best man win!!Good Luck!


Michael Says:

Metan, Thanks.

But the tag of Beast seems to be too harsh on Rafa and I do not think such a modest and down-to-earth Champion deserves it.

As you said, let the best man win. I would be rooting all the way for Roger and may be a shade disappointed if he loses. Nevertheless, I am happy that he made the semis which looked impossible when he started this tournament with such a brutal draw handed out to him.


Margot Says:

@Skeeze
Andy had a BACK OPERATION in September. He was not allowed to move for 2 weeks, movement severely restricted for a further two, unable to pracise train for a further, unable to play WTF etc etc. He has played the majority of his matches from 2011 unable to take to the courts unless tanked up on pain killers. Therefore I I find it absolutely unbelievable that you have accused him of “playing possum” against Fed.
No mention of the double bounce controversy on here either.
Double standards much.


madmax Says:

Double standards back at you Margot!

NON-INVASIVE, MINOR surgery. From the horse’s mouth. Deal with it as he has done, and stop with the excuses.

The bounce controversy? What are you trying to say? That Fed cheated? Oh Really? Ask the umpire Margot. Should Fed be sitting in the UMpire’s chair now with X ray vision?

How possibly on earth could Fed have seen where the ball was landing. And what has Andy’s back surgery, (minor, non-invasive), got to do with a ball bounce? Ready to let those nuggets of jealousy fly, aren’t we? Stop your complaining about a man you have already expressed, you would rather go out and shop than watch him play.

All of this festering is not doing you any good Margot, and the problem is, you can’t run to TT right now and get your gang together to support you.

The Match: Rafa fans, as a Federer fan, we have to deal in cold, hard, facts. Numbers, coming into this match. 22/10 as you say Giles, frequently.

My guess at the start, was that Fed would reach the QFs. I am glad to say, I was wrong and I have definitely seen a new, rejuvenated, aggressive Fed. But will this be enough?

But as you say, he gets mighty flipperty when he plays Nadal. If I could go back to 2010 at the WTF when Fed was in awesome form on court, it would fill me up a ton.

The reality is that Rafa is world number 1 and fed has always had problems playing a leftie, as you have said. (though he has beaten every other leftie on tour! Meltzer, Lodra, Levine, Lopez, it’s definitely a strange one.

Everything I have said, we all know.

But, you can never take away the hope of an awesome great, playing awesome tennis, with an awesome racquet, and a new mindset – can never take away the hope. As you say, rafa fans, it would be near on a miracle if Fed beat Rafa. I don’t expect this. But then I didn’t expect him to reach the SFs.

:)

Come on Fed, just do it!


jatin Says:

My gut feeling.
Roger federer in 4 sets. I don’t think This new federer can lose to anyone. Lets see how it goes.


madmax Says:

A three-time Australian Open runner-up, Murray said that physically he felt fine during the match.

“My back was OK,” he said.

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/01/22/australian-open-2014-andy-murray-proud-of-comeback-from-back-surgery-despite-quarter-final-loss/

On Wednesday, Murray indicated that staying out of competition for so long might have been the wrong strategy.

“This time, I had a long time to prepare, maybe just not enough matches,” he said. “There’s maybe some things, I would have done a bit differently.”

Thanks for the heads up Andy. Now try to tell Margot, that a) you felt fine from back surgery, b) that you neednt have stayed out for so long c) that you only lack match practice.

You are still a great athlete Andy and will be back, (no pun intended).


Margot Says:

Of course Andy would say that! He doesn’t offer excuses.
Surgery on your back is invasive and always risky, with huge consequences.
Andy was very far from his best.
Deal with it.


jatin Says:

margot
The bottom line is. Andy is out of the tournament and he played like a champion against roger ESPECIALLY IN 3RD SET.
You should be proud of your Man instead of making excuses for him.
A gracious loser indeed.


Giles Says:

Vamos Rafa!


madmax Says:

Jatin,

We all hope for this, if you are talking to the federer fans.

All has been said before, and will continue to be said.

Fed will make his own luck if he is to win today. I feel this has to be in straight sets for him (unlikely against Rafa), if it goes further than than, will be knackering in the final against a rested Stan.


madmax Says:

Margot Says:
Of course Andy would say that! He doesn’t offer excuses.
Surgery on your back is invasive and always risky, with huge consequences.
Andy was very far from his best.
Deal with it.

January 24th, 2014 at 2:56 am

Margot, why aren’t you even listening?

Non- invasive means NO KNIFE, NO INSTRUMENT enters the body.

Seriously, are you losing your mind because your man lost? You don’t even listen to what he says. You just make things up to suit you.

MINOR, NON-INVASIVE SURGERY. You are always quoting the guardian, the paper that you swear by.
Now, you disbelieve?

You deal with it Margot.


madmax Says:

Margot, you are becoming Painful.


jatin Says:

Madmax
Yeah. I get that
Seeing rafa and roger in the same court is amazing. Two greatest champions. WOW. I am loving it. May the best man win.


jatin Says:

nadal has no tape on his hand!!!!

A great sign for him and his fans


tfouto Says:

Margot:

“No mention of the double bounce controversy on here either.” lol, what controversy? it wasn’t double bounce. You can see it in the replay. Over and over. Besides i dont recall Murray talked about that on post-conference.

Murray is not on top form, true. Federer wasn’t last year, either. Back issues. That’s how life is. Just have to deal it with.

Let’s hope Federer wins this game. I can’t see the game, because i will be working. Neverthless i will keep an eye on the result, and from time to time check here comments about the game.

Cheers for Federer and Nadal fans…


metan Says:

Good news no tape . VAMOS RAFA!


madmax Says:

Giles, before you do, I post some numbers, okay?

Nadal-Federer H/H Overall 24/10 Hard 9/2 Clay 13/2 Indoor Hard 1/2 Carpet 0/2 Grass 1/2 Finals 15/6 S/F 5/3 Tiebreaks 12/10 Best of 5 10/3

Here goes…


madmax Says:

(included 2 professional exhibitions (Abu Dhabi) , not the pre-destined result today, just in case you ask!).


Salleh Ahmed Says:

This is why I hate that fed goes to the net. He gets passed like that.

2-1 federer

nearly the net cord helped nadal


Salleh Ahmed Says:

that was chance federer at 0-30 on nadals serve

gets passed again


Salleh Ahmed Says:

from love 30 its advantage nadal


Salleh Ahmed Says:

the backhand is really hurting him a lot now


Salleh Ahmed Says:

the serve is working quite well. Can he keep it up when it matters the most and break nadal?


Salleh Ahmed Says:

has nadal ever served on the federes forehand?


Salleh Ahmed Says:

oh man

another pass


Salleh Ahmed Says:

and another

break points nadal


Daniel Says:

Nadal got thereturn timng, putting all return in this games and malkng 2 passing shots, Fed saving 2 BP


Salleh Ahmed Says:

and both saved

but roger is coming far too often to the net for my liking


Salleh Ahmed Says:

mirka looking very nervous


Salleh Ahmed Says:

fed got out of jail. but dont make nadal play with his forehand. just suicide


Humble Rafa Says:

has nadal ever served on the federes forehand?

Why should I?


st4r5 Says:

Fed needs to have a brain surgery to get rid of Nadal in his brain. He has all the tools to beat him fair and square but somehow, he can’t execute well


Salleh Ahmed Says:

time and time again the serve on feds backhand.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

thought that was feds point
nadal makes him play everytime another shot


madmax Says:

What do you expect? A sudden change over night?

Just let the guy play, and see what happens. No one expects Fed to win, so just support him in his quest, to win.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

and serve starting to wobble a little bit


gannu Says:

Its the same old story…sigh…fed playing crap
nadal moonballing to bckhnd…


Salleh Ahmed Says:

only one winner in that rally


Salleh Ahmed Says:

what did fed say?
oletzka?


st4r5 Says:

Fed is playing with fire letting Nadal get close everytime he serves


Vidzy Says:

Federer playing and serving poorly..just surviving somehow..The story continues…donno how long this will last..


Salleh Ahmed Says:

what would it be like that nadal wastes all his BP chances and for a change federer is effective in that department


Dc Says:

Feds playing like average joe – lucky nadal couldn’t break him- if fed continues to play this way – it’s nadal in 3 or max 4 sets.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

Come on Fed

30 all


Salleh Ahmed Says:

boah that was a chance. he twitched big time


Dc Says:

4-5 ;30-30 ..fed sprays a forehand – u can’t win like this..


Vidzy Says:

very very poor play from federer…errors piling up…15 UE alredy..


Dc Says:

Come on fed – be a man – take it seriously : it’s ur frigging job to play well


Salleh Ahmed Says:

nadal is prepared for serve and volley from fed


Salleh Ahmed Says:

when will the edberg tactice come toplay?


Humble Rafa Says:

Time to turn the screws


Daniel Says:

Fed garantees tiebreak. Last chance to break Nadal.
Wills ee if Nadal is going to win another tiebreak.
Fed needs this set to believe that if they go to tiebreaks he will have an edge. Now that he survived 2 games saving BP he has to win this set.


Dc Says:

Fed needs to have zero errors on his forehand – he’s sprayed and shanked and over hit a few forehands at very critical points


addy Says:

boring match I am a rafa fan and I knw it’s going to end in straights sets fed just cant live wid rafa in slams


Salleh Ahmed Says:

oh my

can nadal stop grundting


Vidzy Says:

Nadal not even playing his best and Federer losing most of the rallies..


Salleh Ahmed Says:

the backhand is letting him down big time


Dc Says:

Come on Fed – just hit it right- what’s ur problem


Dc Says:

Feds serve has deserted him- can’t see him winning the tie breaker


Dc Says:

48 minutes – 12 games ; 4 minutes / game


Salleh Ahmed Says:

1-0 nadal

too many errors


Dc Says:

Here goes fed on his trip to looserville- down on the tie break


Vidzy Says:

Federer not even serving well…Nothong working for him…


addy Says:

its over for fed no chance in tie breaker against rafj


James Says:

Nadal gets the mini break in TB 1-0 up

ohh oh mini break gone. Rafa leaking way too erorrs today.


Dc Says:

Feds pumping his fist – shows that he wants to win – good sign


Salleh Ahmed Says:

fed needs something inspiring


tfouto Says:

Good i am not seeing the match.

Fed keep surviving you never know…


Salleh Ahmed Says:

WTF was that federer


Dc Says:

Holy craps – fed misses the easiest if volleys on a tie break


Salleh Ahmed Says:

4-1 nadal

no way back for federer in this set. close the roof ffs


Dc Says:

1-4 down . Feds is fading


Vidzy Says:

Seems Federer doesnt want to be there…The body language is soo negative.


Dc Says:

Come on fed – cant u win a rally or what


Daniel Says:

Feds serve deserted him this Tiebresk. 3 serves and no point
Nadala playing well except the BH he missed DTL to give fed his only point. Nadal movi g Fec around at will


tfouto Says:

Federer needs Mourinho to coach him.


Vidzy Says:

Nadal is not even playing aggressive or hiting winners..haha…He is just putting ball in play….Federer self destructing himself…Is this the poorest tie break Federer has ever played ?


Daniel Says:

Fedneeds to serve bignow to get free points.


James Says:

Nadal leads 5-1 in the TB

you can see why it’s so tough to serve and volley against Nadal. His heavy topspin pushes Fed way behind the baseline.


Dc Says:

Fed needs a new coach – nadal


metan Says:

Rafa is not playing his best tennis either. Come on RAFA. !!


Daniel Says:

3 straight points to Fed. Needs some miracle to get at least 1 point back


James Says:

Wtf Rafa. Get it done now.


Daniel Says:

2 setpoints Nadal. I portant pont and Nadal unleash a big forehand


Vidzy Says:

I am predicting a straight set win for Rafa here..


James Says:

Nadal takes the first set. Vamos Rafa!


Salleh Ahmed Says:

first set nadal

this is depressing to watch.


Humble Rafa Says:

A hobbled Humble still wins. I hope you guys see the light and go to bed and save the agony.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

that volley proved to be costly


tfouto Says:

24 UE first set.


Vidzy Says:

24 UE for Federer just in 1 set…wow !!


Daniel Says:

Nadal sensed Fed is not playong good and only directing balls to his BH jnowing it will break, as this BH error on set point.
Damm, whats was going on with Nadal that nobody can win a tiebreak over him this AO?! Fed is 1-4 in the year and Nadal 6-2.
The only good of is set is that even Fed not playng as last 2 matches he was still able to get to a tiebreak.
As it is, tiebreaks is usually a mental thing, and today it showed yet again


Dc Says:

How can u call ur self a 17 time grand slam winner if u r playing so poor ; come on Fed – u can do better . Come on fed . Look at nadal – he’s winning . Learn something from him- go and win now. All you need to do now is serve better and make lesser mistakes – its should be simple for you . Winning is your job


tfouto Says:

Magnus Morgan would be maybe a good coach to Federer. He works a lot the mental part.

Edberg improved Federer net game, but this kind of game is not effective against Nadal.

He needs some mental training. Almost some kind of hipnose.


tfouto Says:

Humble Rafa?

Go to bed?

It’s 10 am here :)


st4r5 Says:

I am going to sleep…. can’t watch it anymore, too much pain…


Dc Says:

Now fed has to target to win every point – it’s now or never dude


Salleh Ahmed Says:

nadals level has to drop and start missing the fh.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

fed has to start like delpo in the shanghai sf


Salleh Ahmed Says:

efjtfojjfdgfd

wtf was that


Dc Says:

Misses an easy shot at 30-30 : come on feddy – what’s ur problem


Salleh Ahmed Says:

that was yout point

so depressing.


Daniel Says:

This is an annoying classic Nadal point. Fed attack all point and missed the closer winner. Arghh


tfouto Says:

I am looking at the live score. And all it says is:

Federer looses point with unforce error.
Nadal looses point with unforce error.

It’s just Federer who is making more UE.
The game surely not really good by now…


Salleh Ahmed Says:

and how many times nadal hits the lines on importan points.

man man man


Salleh Ahmed Says:

fake injury time put coming up


Salleh Ahmed Says:

fed should stop making the forhand drive volley

safer option is let it bounce once


Daniel Says:

Come on Blistrer, burnnnn LOL


Dc Says:

Looks like fed will loose in straight sets . Nadal has a blister on his hand ; but fed has one in his head . He need to strap it up just like nadal has.


tfouto Says:

Dc, true.

Blister on his head, his much bigger then on Nadal hand’s.

He really needs hipnosis. “You can beat Nadal”. :)


Dc Says:

Wato shot by fed – repeat it another 100 times and a win is guaranteed


Dc Says:

Need some aces by fed – he’s just hit 1 in the entire match


Salleh Ahmed Says:

why did nadal ever start to play left handed


Salleh Ahmed Says:

net play not working just 50 %


Dc Says:

Nadal is putting in more first serves, inspire of the blister


Dc Says:

In spite of the blister


Salleh Ahmed Says:

serve is the weakest for nadal in general

but for federer it is the toughest


Dc Says:

Fed cannot and will never win another grand slam – that’s the truth , validated by his utter poor performance today .


Salleh Ahmed Says:

and another pass. aweful to watch


Purcell Says:

Oh for heavens sake. How on earth does Roger keep his cool against this gamesmanship? My patience with Nadal has run out. How many more free passes is this guy going to get?


Salleh Ahmed Says:

0-30 my godness


Dc Says:

Oh gosh – get a first serve in fed- Mirka looks seriously pissed 0-30 down on his serve.
Fed is unable to hit any winners, no first serves either


Salleh Ahmed Says:

and nadal hittins his shots right on the line

fed has to play half volleys


Dc Says:

Break point – what the fed


Dc Says:

Nice serve – keep it up fed


Salleh Ahmed Says:

fed is more fighting than serving


Dc Says:

Fed needs uncle tony as his coach. Feds getting a bit loose now – he’s playing better – he was very tight in the first set


Salleh Ahmed Says:

another pass

so predictable


Salleh Ahmed Says:

when will fed start play real clutch tennis?


James Says:

Rafa just not converting the BPs. He’s had like 5-6 opportunities but couldn’t convert any of it yet.


Dc Says:

And another error by fed – so predictable – it’s in – wow!!


Salleh Ahmed Says:

and when will nadal drop his level?


Daniel Says:

This was a nice hod for Fed. Saved 3 BP this game and all six in total this match.


tfouto Says:

Federer needs to have Ace much more on his serve.

And need to start using double hand backhand just to play with Nadal.


madmax Says:

Reading your comments, seems all of you are just fed up with the fed not “upping” his game. I can’t Watch the match and I can’t read your comments.

Sounds like a terrible match. All along have said, it is time for fed to get the mental coach in. Thought it could be Edberg, though clearly not.

If Federer did not Believe he could beat Nadal, he wouldn’t play but seriously. He Believes. Everyone, just Believe!

Federer, for goodness sake! Do something different to beat this guy. It’s just getting too tiring to Watch the same old.

No, he can’t beat Nadal like this. No one can. Only person in with a chance would be Novak and Andy, and sadly, both are not around.

Roger, COME ON!

If Rafa has the first set in a tie break, that must have shown it is a Close match, so try to keep the comments good guys.

Just want a 4 setter. That’s all. Fed to win!


Salleh Ahmed Says:

oh that moonballing


Salleh Ahmed Says:

two shanks in a row


Salleh Ahmed Says:

nadal ups his game against federer big time.
plz close the roof


Daniel Says:

Nadal’s BH is incredible today. Ged not getting the short ball from that wing and having to hit forehands on the running all the time.
Keep surviving Fed maybe Nadal have a blip at some point because he is playng (as expected) way better tan agaisnt Nishi and Dimitrov.


Teeg Says:

Rafa is so comfortable on serve, so much for the blister being a big problem. Hope he keeps it up.

Vamos Rafa!


Salleh Ahmed Says:

2 quick misses and again 0-30


Dc Says:

0-30 again; Feds finding it difficult even to stay at level


Vidzy Says:

Federer hits 2 UE’s..0-30 on serve…Federer playing as poorly as you can expect…


Teeg Says:

Rafa on fire at the moment


Salleh Ahmed Says:

I CANT BELIEVE THIS

WTF was that


Vidzy Says:

2 BP’s for Rafa…


James Says:

Nadal just cannot convert the BPs. Wtf Rafa focus. Get it done


Daniel Says:

How the hell did Nadal put that passing shot in fed’s feet. Fed couldn’t believe te ball returned


Teeg Says:

Vamos Rafa!


Vidzy Says:

Rafa breaks…4-2 Rafa…


Salleh Ahmed Says:

i know that nadal would break now.

this rally was his.


Dc Says:

Nadal is up 4-2 ; awesome game by nadal
Fed is a clueless – with his serve deserting him, he stands no chance

Game over for fed


tfouto Says:

Game Over.

Nadal on his way to be beat the GS records.


Teeg Says:

Rafa really ups his game versus Roger


Vidzy Says:

Federer has a resigned look on his face now…Novak losing early is a blessing for disguise for him in Final..

Rafa picks up his 14th slam on sunday…


tfouto Says:

And Roger lower his against Nadal.

In order to Fed win a GS again, he must play like he’s doing on this tournment, except this game of course. And hope Nadal is injured or looses against another player.


Teeg Says:

Rafa steamrolling…5-2


James Says:

@Daniel, I don’t think even Rafa knew how good that was.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

game over

from 0-2 sets down is mission impossible.

total let down the serve from federer


Humble Rafa Says:

I hope the Arrotards get it now.

Hard court, Clay court, grass..it doesn’t matter. Humble rules.


Dc Says:

Nadal is winning points at will – just playing his regular game.
Fed is the worst emotional investment I’ve ever made in my life -extremely disappointing.

Fed is unable to hit and high quality shots. He should have figured out some game plan to produce a better quality match.


Teeg Says:

@tfouto

Its just a really bad matchup for Roger. Rafa is proving blister or no blister, he has a huge mental advantage against Roger.


Humble Rafa Says:

14 in the bag. 3 more to go to be goat and goat owner.


Vidzy Says:

Nadal serving well…passing well…holding most of his serves at love..

Federer has poor tactics…even worst than we saw wen Annacone was the coach…Edberg influence has done nothing..he isnt serving well..

Nadal has been far superior player in this match in every department..


James Says:

Humble Rafa,

on court tweeting, posting comments on tennis blogs not allowed!

Focus on closing this set.


Teeg Says:

Really, Djokovic has saved Roger’s legacy for now. Were it not for him, the GS table would look really different.


Dc Says:

Wow !!! Fed wins a rally


Humble Rafa Says:

Humble will the happy with Grand Slams. Happy to join Rod Laver.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

moonballing at his bes


James Says:

Roger has got 65% of his first serves in play but has won just 66% of FS points.

Nadal’s got 66% first serve in


Vidzy Says:

Its very clear…Federer doesnt have anything in his arsenal which can hurt him…as simple as that…Nadal knows it…


James Says:

So far Nadal’s won 75% of points on the first serve as well as on 2nd serve.


Slice Tennis Says:

madmax Says:

“it is time for fed to get the mental coach in.”

Its people like you who should get mental treatment. You should be really happy and satisfied that Federer has made the SF when very few including your gang gave a him a chance to go past Tsonga.

He is 32 and do you guys honestly believe that he can beat Rafa.


James Says:

Set point Nadal. Get it done Rafa!


Teeg Says:

Rafa up 2 sets to 0. Huge uphill battle now for Roger.


Dc Says:

@ slice tennis – we have the right to believe whatever we want ; please do not believe that you will decide what we can believe


Vidzy Says:

2 sets down…I guess this will be over in straight sets…


Slice Tennis Says:

An interesting point:

Federer is not losing BPs on Rafa’s serve today.
LOL


jatin Says:

guys…the next time these two will play…. I will not look forward to it..


Teeg Says:

That’s what I like about Rafa. He never talks up his chances like some of the other players do. He just goes about always knowing that there is always room for improvement. He’s special that way.


Slice Tennis Says:

Dc,
If you guys want to live in a deluded world, so be it.
All the best.


tfouto Says:

Wawrinka will not loose against Nadal so easy as Federer is. He will loose, but at least the final should more interesting, for sure.


Teeg Says:

@Slice tennis

Instead its Rafa who is missing out on breakpoints


Teeg Says:

Stan is much improved but he has to first win a set against Rafa.


Slice Tennis Says:

Teeg Says:
“Really, Djokovic has saved Roger’s legacy for now. Were it not for him, the GS table would look really different.”

Soderling also played a huge role in prolonging this goat debate.


Dc Says:

thank you slice tennis for letting us believe whatever we want – you are such an awesome and wise king


Humble Rafa Says:

Soderling also played a huge role in prolonging this goat debate.

Agreed. I still regret that loss.


van orten Says:

you greedy nadal fans.. i hope u get it back one day


Teeg Says:

@Slice Tennis

Soderling didn’t beat Rafa in consecutive Majors the way Djokovic has. Its conceivable to think that had Novak didn’t elevate his game the way he did, Rafa could have won 5 consecutive Majors from 2011 FO – 2012 FO. Novak beat him 3 consecutive times in that span.


madmax Says:

Slice Tennis Says:
madmax Says:

“it is time for fed to get the mental coach in.”

Its people like you who should get mental treatment. You should be really happy and satisfied that Federer has made the SF when very few including your gang gave a him a chance to go past Tsonga.

Slice Tennis: STFU
!

Have you been in a hole somewhere?

Before you comment. Read. Read. Read. Very happy Fed made SFs.

Was not something I expected and NO. I said I did not expect Fed to win, but I hoped and believed that he had some game to make inroads.

He doesn’t. We know that.

So please, go back to your troll hole, where you belong.


Teeg Says:

And Rafa up a break.


TGIT Says:

Rafa is GOAT.

Roger once again meekly getting destroyed.


Teeg Says:

If Rafa hangs on in this set, this would be just the second time he beats Roger in straight sets in a Major. Correct me if I’m wrong.


gannu Says:

Wat a display…next time I am not going to be hopeful….its downright embarassing…I mean this is nevr going to be solved…now let me enjoy the beat down


van orten Says:

this is clearly mental though.. everything that can go wrong when playing rafa goes wrong…everything rafa does goes well.. rafa never ever had an off day vs fed. this is karma..a bad one indeed..and all the bullshist excuses before the match.. i hate nadal ..he is an asshole and not humble at all. i wish him just the same portion of bad luck he never gets .. i have never been so frustrated but i realize now .. he is the evil and he will reign and go down as the best ever.. playing grinding tennis ..congrats ..and sorry for the bad words i am just so frustrated …


Teeg Says:

Roger has two break back points


Daniel Says:

Nadal pissed of because he missed this FH and conceived 2 BP’s. I think he wanted to win without facing a BP all match


Teeg Says:

Roger breaks back


James Says:

Roger breaks back! Allez Roger!


Vinod Says:

Can FED atleast win one set ?? Please FED come on !! and FED breaks .. thats a start


Teeg Says:

@van orten

Its understandable when Rafa was out of the game for 7 months and it was looking like he’d never be himself again, we his fans was distraught. Roger had his moments. Now seems to be time for the young guns.


Vinod Says:

FED living dangerously


Teeg Says:

Rafa is awful on bps tonight.


Vinod Says:

Even crowd is behind FED pushing him to win a set . Hope it helps


tfouto Says:

What’s worring in tennis panorama is the lack of young guys.

There’s Dimitrov and Raonic, but they seem not able to enter the level of top 4.


Teeg Says:

Crowd always gets behind the player losing.


James Says:

Rafa is so Federer on the BPs this match.


Vidzy Says:

@ van orten

Very poor choice of words.. disappointing !!


Teeg Says:

Dimitrov seems to be the one with the most upswing and potential.


Vinod Says:

Baby FED got a set against Nadal . but real FED ??


Teeg Says:

Rafa breaks … up 4-3


Vinod Says:

Worst game from FED :(


TGIT Says:

Pete must be laughing quietly. Rafa may get ahead of my Grand Slam record but I get to watch him destroy the so called GOAT. HA!


Vidzy Says:

Federer self destructs and gifts another break ….LOL

Match over ??


Teeg Says:

Pete also never got dominated by his biggest rival


Vidzy Says:

@ TGIT

I dont know who the the GOAT is..But FEDERER is NOT the GOAT !!!!


Vinod Says:

FED looks in sublime touch against the rest , but when Nadal plays he becomes Fed + error . I dont know what coaching method can turn this around


Dc Says:

Fed is playing awful. He’s down 4-3 in the third set – he’s not giving his best. It’s sad to see fed fade away like this.


tfouto Says:

The game is over long time ago…

Let’s see if Dimitrov can step up. I dont think Raonic can do it.


tfouto Says:

Teeg

Sampras had the luck of not playing Nadal on his time or Djokovic.


Teeg Says:

Rafa up 5-3


Vinod Says:

Guys quick bet , Will Rafa break this game and win or serve out ?? I think he breaks to win :)


Slice Tennis Says:

Teeg Says:
“@Slice Tennis
Soderling didn’t beat Rafa in consecutive Majors the way Djokovic has. Its conceivable to think that had Novak didn’t elevate his game the way he did, Rafa could have won 5 consecutive Majors from 2011 FO – 2012 FO. Novak beat him 3 consecutive times in that span.”

Completely agree with you regarding the huge influence of Nole in this goat debate.
I just wanted to add that Soderling also played a role. Without 2009 FO Federer would not be in the discussion at all.


Teeg Says:

Rafa is a bad matchup for Federer…Roger made Tsonga and Murrary look pedestrian. But against Rafa, who was not so sharp coming in is making Roger look a bit pedestrian.


James Says:

Rafa’s passing shots just too good for Fed.


Teeg Says:

@Slice Tennis

I gotcha. And you’re right.


Teeg Says:

Blister or no blister, Rafa simply the best.


Vidzy Says:

Worst match i have seen Federer play in last 10 years in a slam…


James Says:

Sorry Fed, and Fed fans.

Rafa’s just too good for Federer.


tfouto Says:

I am a huge Federer fan.

But i would like to see them both end the careers with the same level of GS.


Vinod Says:

Apart from Nadal and Djokovic , I think FED can beat the rest with his current form


Teeg Says:

@Vidzy

Really? What about last year’s US Open against Robredo?


Queen Says:

Long live King Nadal! I mean what else to say…


Polo Says:

Roger has improved enough to get back to near the Roger of old, able to beat everyone but not Nadal. This is not unexpected.


tfouto Says:

Congrats Rafa fans.

Was the expected outcame.


Teeg Says:

Rafa will now hold onto no.1 until at least this summer.


Daniel Says:

Amazing that Nadal did not play US Open 2012 and AO 2013 and won US Open 2013 and will win AO 2014.
Unless Stan decides to play the match of the century (match of his life won’t be enough).
GOAT debate may have eneded today. Next year Nadal can have all the glorys.
I think at first he didn’t believe it himself but as time passes on and he started to beat Fed so many times and everywhere that he starts believing it. Now after last year ressurgence and now being unbeaten this year seems onoy injury is in his way.


Teeg Says:

Very impressive for a so called “clay courter”. 19 GS finals, a chance for a double career Grand Slam. Rafa is just incredible.


Vinod Says:

@Daniel Agree with you completely
Stan must play Match of the century :)


Teeg Says:

@Daniel

Only injury and Novak. I still believe Novak and Rafa will distance themselves from the rest and start sharing the majors. Del Potro and Murray are x- factors.


Polo Says:

When the GOAT debate comes up again, I will be quiet.


gonzalowski Says:

Congrats Rafa!! gannu you saw it, you’re brave! :)
Hard loss for Fed. Rafa won’t be very tired on the final, really this Fedal is what he needed on the physical side, and on the technical side (playing a single-backhanded)


Teeg Says:

@Polo

Is Rafa making you a believer?


Giles Says:

VAMOS CHAMP!!!
Cry baby fed never stops crying. Unbelievable from the so called Goat.
@Steve Tignor.
Fed complaining about Nadal’s grunting. Garner “It hasnt been something new”.
One of Dedberg’s tactics???
#Shameful


Slice Tennis Says:

Polo Says:
“When the GOAT debate comes up again, I will be quiet.”

There is nothing more to debate. Case closed.


gonzalowski Says:

The Goat has beaten the No-Goat today


Teeg Says:

@Slice Tennis:

We’re feeling it, but he still has to win. I believe in his chance, but dont want to get ahead of myself.


Polo Says:

@Teeg, maybe I have always believed but I have never accepted it. Now I have run out of arguments for Federer against Nadal. I can always evoke the 17 majors titles but that has become a very weak point now. It will only get weaker with each coming major event. Nadal is only 27.


Slice Tennis Says:

Good for you Polo.


Teeg Says:

@Polo

The thing with Rafa, even when Roger was dominating, he was still managing to squeeze out a Major every year. Now that Rafa is fully in his prime and Roger well past his, it only makes what Rafa achieved in those years even more important. Now that he’s firing on all cylinders only injury and Novak Djokovic can stop him from becoming the so-called GOAT.


Slice Tennis Says:

Giles,
I thought Nole would get to 23 first. But Federer did extremely well and got there first.


Teeg Says:

Here’s what’s on the line for Rafa:

Major no.14 (tied 2nd all-time with Samprad & 3 behind Roger)
Career Title no. 62 (tied 7th all-time, with Vilas)
Double career slam (tied with Laver)
Perfect 12-0 start to season (something he’s never done).


jatin Says:

I am still Amazed actually. It was like seeing two different Rogers. The one who dominated his opponents and looked so assured in every aspect of the game. And the one today. Seriously, what should he do to beat Rafa? There has to be a way. Rafa found one against Novak. Why cant Roger against Rafa?


Teeg Says:

@Slice Tennis…lol. Is Ferrer at 22 or 23?


tfouto Says:

jatin,

Novak as a consistent double hand backhand which can handle Nadal topspin. Federer dont.


roy Says:

true fed came out after losing first set.
just like wimbledon 07, usopen/delpo 09 and so on.
bitching and moaning about nadal to umpire.

listen, rog, if you resent nadal, which is obvious to anyone who’s followed this rivalry from the beginning, just be honest about it.
just have the relationship you have with djoker.

don’t be a two-face and pretend you’re such respectful buddies with nadal, then go and bitch to the umpire about rafa like a sore loser brat.

nadal actually puts his money where his mouth is, rog. he genuinely respects you, always says how honoured he is to play you, and gives you that same respect on the court. he’s never bitched about you to umpires or had tantrums on court during your matches, or even responded to your petulant outbursts on court.

true fed ain’t so pretty.


tfouto Says:

also he can go into long, long ralies to the point of Nadal making errors. Federer cant handle either.


Brando Says:

@Tennis X Administrator:

How can Van Orten’s disgusting, profane post at 5.53 be allowed to be posted on here?

Has moderation gone AWOL?

I can understand bitterness against Rafa- he get’s it all the time for his crime of beating Fed.

But NOTHING justifies the use of such disgusting, profane language.

Please address this post and those along such lines since it only ends up reflecting poorly on the website and TX is a good website that many enjoy.

Hope you address this.

Thanks in Advance.


Michael Says:

A match which aroused so much expectations due to the rediscovery of brilliance by Roger in the midst of his pursuit of the Australian Open title ended in a damp squib. The Crowd was dumb founded by the helplessness of Roger on court. He was looking totally downcast. Outplayed and out rallied from the back of the court, it was difficult to believe that this was the man who had Tsonga and Andy on their toes. Let us accept it. Roger has lost his self belief against Rafa. He just crumbles on his rival onslaughts and so relentless, ruthless and unflinching Rafa was, it just steamrolled Roger. Even in the first set, it was Rafa who was dominating and he had breakpoints on Roger’s serve with Roger having none. Once it went to the tie break and Roger lost it, that was the end of it. There was this talk of Rafa’s blisters playing a part in Roger’s resurgence and a big enough chance for him to atlast tame his nemesis. But Roger was disappointed as Rafa was producing those incredible angles from the back of the court left Roger wondering and he was reconciled to defeat. You have to give it to Rafa with the way he has dominated another Champion of his era. I am not sure this has happened before in other big rivalries. With this, Roger Fans including me can give up all hope of him beating Rafa ever again. It is for sure, Nadal will be equalling Sampras come Sunday.


Brando Says:

@Fed Fans:

Commiseration about the loss. I NEVER for a moment thought it would be straight set’s and was genuinely worried for Rafa, so this result was a surprise to be honest.

Either way: Facts are that Fed is 32, Rafa is a difficult matchup for him, last year was a tough year also for Fed.

Yet despite this he’s reached the AO SF, phenomenally for 11 years in a row, beat top 10 players in Tsonga and Muzza and has had a much better start than he did at the beginning of 2012. Long story short:

The good far outweigh the bad. Chin up as i’m sure Fed will be threat going forward- especially at Wimby.

He’s doing great things for a 32 year old, phenomenal really, and ONLY left to a fellow all time great at that.

No shame in the loss for him whatsoever.


Michael Says:

What next for Roger ? Can he get his 18th major ? Still possible. The only hitch would be Rafa. If somebody takes Rafa down just as Soderling did at Rolland Garros in 2009, Roger might smell a chance. But still No. 18 looks quite distant with Novak, Andy and a host of other players on his way.


Margot Says:

Congratulations to Rafa and his fans. Comms to Fed and his lovely fans who do not belittle invasive back surgery and its effects on Andy’s full recovery.
Lol those that did, surely make goldfish look clever.


Michael Says:

Brando,

What I am disappointed is not about Roger losing. I was expecting it in a way. It was the way he lost which made me cringe with shame. The physical presence of Rafa at the other end of the Court just shatters him psychologically. He remains clueless as to how to tackle Rafa and the way he approaches the net helplessly only to be passed again and again. Compare this to the way he showed aggression against Tsonga and Andy who are also brilliant players. I would have been satisfied if the match atleast had went to four sets. But it ended without a whimper.


tfouto Says:

Michael,

18 is only at the eye-sight of Federer and Nadal for now. Murray and Novak, wont be able.

Then 18 will be possible to some future player not playing today, and maybe not born today.

For sure someone in the future will beat whatever Federer and Nadal GS achieve in their careers. Even if takes 100 years…


tennisfan Says:

I think rafa will reach 18 slams by the end of 2015. He could also be world number 1 throughout 2014


Brando Says:

Vamos Rafa!

What a phenomenal performance against the GOAT, a in form player, when Rafa played 2 poor matches for his standard, the bothersome blister, with so much on the line and yet:

to produce such a quality, measured, calm performance.

Bravo Rafa!

Now the challenge ahead is immense:

1. Facing the player of the tourny.

2. A player 11-0 for the year.

3. A player who beat AO king Novak, Muzza at the USO last year, i.e. big match player.

4. A player playing at his peak.

It’s a huge challenge Wawrinka presents, but if plays his best then he definitely will give Wawa some problems to think about himself.

Good luck Rafa!


Michael Says:

tfouto,

Well records are always meant to be broken. What portends for the future, we never know ? We can only speak for the present. But as of now it does appear that Rafa would break Roger’s 17 unless he suffers from serious physical problems. All that he needs to do is win two more at Rolland Garros and he comes near.


Simon says Says:

Yeah, expected outcome…….expected by Rafa fans. Fed fans however have something in mind. Don’t know how these people will accept the fact that rafa owned fed during his prime and will stay that way forever. Wake up guys!


Polo Says:

Yes, 18th is still possible because Roger can still beat everybody in the field except Nadal. With a little luck, if Nadal is out of the way for whatever reason, Federer should be prepared to sneak by. So, don’t retire Roger and keep working hard. In a field without Nadal, Federer remains a good bet to win. Don’t focus on Nadal anymore because that’s a losing proposition.


Brando Says:

@Michael:

That I can understand. It’s normal and perfectly reasonable to do so as such. But one most remember that:

1. Fed’s 32- it’s tough for him based on that alone against all let alone Rafa.

2. Rafa has always been a tough matchup from him since Match 1 in Fed’s heyday all the way back in 2004. So that’s a difficult challenge as it is: let alone at 32.

Therefore when you take everything in consideration I think Fed has had a phenomenal competition at the AO this year, great start to the year and was competitive with Rafa closely in set 1.

Yes: I to thought it would at least be a 4 setter, but all thing’s considered the good outweigh the bad for Fed here.

He ultimately lost a fellow legend who has real matchup problems with. But atleast at age 32 he still faced him at a GS SF:

That is an achievement in itself in my opinion.


madmax Says:

Want to congratulate properly the rafa fans.

Well done. Roger just can’t beat him. He just can’t and we all have to accept that.

It is what it is.

Rafa deserves his 14th slam.


Michael Says:

Just imagine if Novak had been in the finals. I am sure it would be a close battle. But it is not to be. Although I would like Wawarinka to win, I know it is impossible with Rafa at the other end. You have to give it to Novak with the way he tackles the rampaging Rafa. He is the only player in the men’s arena who believes he can beat him. He has done it before and he can do it again. He has got that self belief against Rafa which is absent in most other players in the field.


Teeg Says:

@Michael

Which is why I truly believe that unless Murray or Del Potro or one of the young guns step up, Rafa and Novak will be sharing the Majors for the foreseeable future.


Michael Says:

Brando,

True, Roger had a fantastic run at the Australian Open considering his age and the competition he had. I do agree that what was not possible in his hey day, how can anybody expect him to do when he is 32 ? But, his fans including me had a dream and we thought may be, just may be, this was the day Roger would get the better of his nemesis. However, it ended in total disappointment. I am not at all perturbed about his defeat at the hands of another legend. That was in a way expected. It was the manner of his defeat which left me downcast. Just look at the way he was playing against Tsonga and Andy and compare it today where he was just looking lost on court consumed by Rafa’s brilliance at the other end. He was missing even easy sitters and volleys due to the relentless pressure exerted by his opponent. Rafa did play really well. But if Baby Fed can extend him to four sets, why not Roger ?


Brando Says:

@Polo and Michael:

Fed can win a Slam without Rafa? I agree with that thought.

But does that not itself pose a question that:

How can you honestly say this man is GOAT when his own fans admit that he can only really win a slam if another player is not there?

I think it’s an interesting admittance that he can only really win the big ones IF another guy is not across the net.

For example:

Everyone thought Novak was that guy for Rafa. Rafa got floored 7-0. People thought that was it for Rafa.

But look how Rafa has bounced back v Novak post the 7-0. Look at how in the big ones- i.e. GS slam matches he’s bounced back.

Novak is Rafa’s main rival but can Nadal win GS final’s v Novak going forward?

I think even the biggest Nadal hater will admit Rafa can beat him in that environment.

Which kind of makes it interesting and possible that:

IF Rafa is playing his best, then he can handle all.

IF Fed is playing his best, then one is still unsure about him v Rafa.

I find it interesting and remarkable how Rafa has fought back v Novak when everyone thought he was going to be for Rafa what he is to Fed.

It shows the heart, fight of the Champion as well as his ability to face and overcame the challenge others present him.

In this light:

One has to recognize the brilliance of Nadal and what a amazing Champion he is.


Brando Says:

PS:

I’m not looking to prop Rafa or knock down Fed in the above post. Fed is still GOAT imo.

But rather to cast light on how Rafa is an amazing fighter and talent in how he has faced obstacles presented to him.

It’s a remarkable thing to see from this true Champion.


Teeg Says:

@Brandon

Cannot have said it better.


madmax Says:

Deuce,

You really are so very, very childish!

You don’t even accept that it Murray himself who said it was non-invasive, MINOR surgery! I didn’t put those Words into his mouth!

Neither did the Guardian, who you absolutely swear by. So seriously, really Margot, grow up. You come across as a sour, sore loser, who doesn’t accept that Andy just couldn’t do it.

James Says:
Sorry Fed, and Fed fans.

Rafa’s just too good for Federer.

January 24th, 2014 at 6:18 am

James, This is true and I agree. He can’t beat Rafa. No way. This is a shame, but I still would have him play than not.

At least rafa fans can’t blame Federer on “shanking” the match beforehand.

Case closed.


gonzalowski Says:

Nice reading, guys


Brando Says:

@Madmax:

Thanks for the nice words. It’s great to see from Fed’s biggest, most ardent fan in here. Kudos to you for that.

I am certain good things lie ahead for Fed.


madmax Says:

Will he ever solve the riddle of Nadal?

It’s just all so predictable nowadays.

Can’t wait to read the presser.

At least first set was a fight.

Oh Roger. Get some help from the sports psychologist. You have made in roads these last 6 months. And the change in your game has been massive. But us fans, for quite a while now have been asking this question:

It’s the mental application that is needed in order to improve, NOT the physicality.

Get that sorted and only then are you in with half a chance.

Too much history between you which you fight with.

Sean, yes. You were right this time. Just the wrong number of sets is all!


madmax Says:

Brando Says:
PS:

I’m not looking to prop Rafa or knock down Fed in the above post. Fed is still GOAT imo.

But rather to cast light on how Rafa is an amazing fighter and talent in how he has faced obstacles presented to him.

It’s a remarkable thing to see from this true Champion.

January 24th, 2014 at 7:23 am

Brando, this fed fan absolutely agrees with you.


Giles Says:

van orten. You are a despicable poster. Rafa hater! I agree with Brando that your post should be removed and your posts should be moderated in future. Am sure fed would be very proud having you as a fan!! NOT!!
Vamos Rafa!


Brando Says:

@Michael:

To answer your questions:

- How did Baby Fed get a set?

1. By all accounts, Rafa was below par in that QF. Hence: it’s easier to get a set off him based on that.

2. Rafa’s serve- as he said so himself- was pretty poor in that match. Hence, more chances to break him. Which Grigor did immediately.

3. Rafa hit 47 UE’s in that match. ONLY 25 today. So he was more vulnerable in the QF to losing a set.

4. Grigor played well. He always pushes Rafa, so him getting a set was no surprise.

5. Dimitrov is 22 and Fed is 32. A BIG difference in terms of well they can challenge an opponent based on the physical element.

- Fed looking poor in comparison to prior matches:

I agree, but at the same time:

Rafa was a setep up in competition. I thought Fed was brilliant v Muzza. But was Andy possibly lacking in match sharpness to beat?

It’s possible after 4 months out.

Tsonga? I love him but he’s a real Jekyll and Hyde type player. Brilliant in one moment and awful in another. Rafa was always going to be a more consistent player than Jo for Fed to face.

That said: I did expect Fed to take a set, and I did think he would push Rafa to the limit today. I feel sorry for him: his age, the match up and the mental element makes it tough for the guy to face Rafa.

It’s no shame: outside Rafa he’s pretty much won everything, beat all and dominated the field.

His is a great career.


Polo Says:

When Djokovic beat Nadal for the third consecutive time in a majors final (AO 2012), there was a look on Nadal’s face that showed hope and determination instead of frustration and resignation. It is as if he knows that in spite of that loss, he realized that he is still the better player and that he could get him next time. If you have a tape of that match, review the end of it, look at Rafa and listen to his interview. And look and listen to Djokovic also. It was relief and disbelief that he won that registered on his face. Not a look that says, “I own this guy. I’m the best”. It was as if his stranglehold on Nadal was loosened in that match. We are now witnesses to what has happened after that.


Brando Says:

@Madmax:

Thanks for that. Personally IMHO:

I think Fed and Rafa fans should rejoice in how great a pair they are. Throw the record books out of the window, the results, the titles etc. Just look at he matches and what these 2 Champions bring to the table:

On one had you have arguably the most elegant, talented player who game borders on the artistic with it’s delightful mastering of all that’s pleasing on the eye in the game of Tennis.

On the other hand you have a explosive warrior, who never blinks when faced with a challenge, has a never say die attitude, and has a unconventional game that is a orignal brand of it’s own. He’s explosive, when he’s raging in full flight on court:

And exhilarating sight to behold.

When they clash they are such a thrilling contrast to see that they almost transcend the Sport in terms of the difference they bring to it. And when they are both in full flight then it really is Tennis from Heaven.

I’ll never forget the joy I got from watching these 2 Master’s face off at Wimbledon 2007, 2008, Austrailian Open 2009 and Rome 2007. Even the one sided matches between the 2 leave dumstruck and in awe of their brilliance in rallies.

Both are phenomenal and likely will end up regarded as Greatest 2 Tennis players of all time when they retire.

Let’s count are ourselves as the lucky ones to have witnessed them both face off in their day as opposed to picking sides for one another.

Both are a treasure we have enjoyed in a different manner for sure.

Long reign Fedal!


Michael Says:

Brando,

Completely agree. I have always maintained that Rafa is a legend in his own right. He is a Great Champion, one of the greatest Fighter Tennis has seen. His amazing tenacity, determination, will and the ability to counter attack is to be seen to be believed. He always has a never say never die attitude. True, when Novak beat him 7 consecutive times, everybody thought that Rafa has lost the plot. But still he came back blazing all guns. The most amazing thing was how he made that come back after the injury in 2013 literally from nowhere winning everything in sight. About this GOAT theory, honestly I do not want to waste my time on it because it is irrelevant. May be when Roger and Rafa finishes their respective careers, it can become an academic debate.


Vidzy Says:

Federer’s presser is out :

. What was the most frustrating about tonight?
ROGER FEDERER: Probably the lack of chances I was able to create on the return. ‘Cause I hung around, you know, the first couple of sets. So I guess that was frustrating, you know, because I thought I was going to get into more of his service games.

If you get the lead at least in the first or second set, at one point maybe I can also play a bit more freely, you know, do a bit more what I was hoping to do, play a bit more aggressive.

But like that you kind of always have to keep playing to stay with him, to play the score. But, you know, it was a tough match. So I guess that was the toughest part today.

Q. Did you feel like you didn’t play as well as you hoped or is it just that Rafael played too well tonight?
ROGER FEDERER: No, I think Rafa played well. I think he’s the way I know him. He’s played me this way many times. You know, I’m not sure if I served as good as I could have.

But then again, you know, for the first one and a half hours or so, I mean, I didn’t get broken, I don’t think. It wasn’t all that bad, you know.

I was hoping that my forehand was going to work out a bit better, but it didn’t, so that let me down a bit. Then it was just the lack of, you know, opportunities I created for myself which put the pressure on me too frequently, you know, instead of maybe being able to do that the other way around.

He did a good job. He didn’t make many errors, even though I was trying to hit hard and flat. I tried to play my game. Sometimes I did play very well and sometimes I didn’t. But he overall was more consistent. He deserved to win tonight. I mean, he was better.

Q. How satisfied do you think you’ll be overall with the fortnight, with the new racquet, Stefan on your team?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, it’s very encouraging, you know, no doubt. Wish I could have won here tonight and then, you know, given an all Swiss final. That’s something I’ll regret, you know, for a long time.

But then again, you know, it was a great start to the season for me. Would have been nice to win Brisbane, would have been nice to win here tonight, but you can’t have it all.

I think this is a very good start to the season for me overall. I played some really good tennis here. I still feel my best tennis is only ahead of me right now. So I’m looking forward to the next couple of months, how they’re going to play out for me, and hopefully by April I feel like I’m going to be at 100% again.

Q. You said on Wednesday that Stefan had some ideas on how you could try things differently against Rafa. Anything specifically you tried tonight that was good?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, I tried a few things, you know. Then again, like I said, I think Rafa does a good job of neutralizing you.

The problem was, like I said, because I wasn’t getting into enough service games, you’re not going to try out a crazy amount of things on your own service games. There you need to play tough and aggressive and you just have to be solid.

So I guess at times I couldn’t quite do what I wanted to do, but that’s because of Rafa.

Q. I think we heard you tonight complaining to the umpire about Rafa’s grunting. Was it worse than normal tonight? Do you find it distracting?
ROGER FEDERER: Not when he does it every point. But it goes in phases. One point he does and he doesn’t. That’s just what I was complaining about.

Had no impact on the outcome of the match, you know, but the level was the same.

Q. Have you complained before?
ROGER FEDERER: I have, yeah.

Q. Is Nadal the guy that distracts you the most?
ROGER FEDERER: Not necessarily. I enjoy playing against him because it’s always going to be on center court, it’s always going to be a big story, you know, going into the match.

So that’s kind of what you train hard for, you know. That’s where you want to be. It’s not where I don’t want to be, so I’m always happy when I come out against him because the atmosphere is different and I enjoy the matches normally.

I mean, it’s not as cool when you lose in straight sets. Nevertheless, there’s good moments out there, as well.

Q. He’s had a decent record against you in the past couple years.
ROGER FEDERER: A good record (smiling).

Q. You just lacked that extra kick in your step tonight. After going down to someone that often, does it start denting your belief that you can beat them?
ROGER FEDERER: No, I don’t think necessarily. I think Rafa did a good job of keeping the pressure on me. You know, I might have gotten a little tired, you know, maybe in the third set, you know. But that’s maybe just the lack of trying to get back to an absolute 100%.

But overall I’m very happy. Rafa played well and he played solid. So, you know, I don’t have crazy regrets tonight other than, you know, maybe not having created more opportunities for myself. You know, Rafa was his usual self, what I kind of expected.

I don’t expect him to be worse off just because of a blister or worse off because he’s having sort of an up and down sort of performance at this event.

When he usually comes in against me, he always plays solid, if not great. So I think it was one of those nights again, which I knew was going to be tough.

Q. Did you feel a bit slower today than the other days? Was the reason because of your backhand didn’t work today very well on the return maybe?
ROGER FEDERER: It’s a totally different match. I don’t know how to explain you guys. It’s totally different playing Rafa over anybody else. Playing Murray or Rafa is day and night.

It’s not because of the level necessarily, but it’s just every point is played in a completely different fashion and I have to totally change my game.

No excuse. It’s just a fact of what it is. I try to fight that today, and he yeah, it’s a different match very different.

Q. Pete Sampras told us earlier today that he was pretty amazed by your mindset, your freshness at this age. When he was your age or younger he felt beaten down by the grind. Having said that, are you excited about this uptick and the whole the vitality of the early part of the year, does that give you a lot of juice?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, in a way I needed it, as well. I needed a good moment again because I’ve been going through a tougher time for some time. Even though you can say that Basel was better, Paris was better, London was better, the results were slightly better, but the game itself was not necessarily amazing.

I mean, it was solid, you know, but what I like to do is I like to take it to the guy. I like to be in command. That’s what I was able to do now the last couple of weeks. So that’s very encouraging.

Like I said, that’s why I’m not too disappointed tonight because I feel it’s been a good start. I’ve come from far back. I didn’t have surgery like Murray had or like Rafa the problems had being out for seven months.

I’ve played with something that has been going on for a while. This is a step in the right direction, and that’s the way I want to go. I have a belief this could be a very good year for me again.

Q. What advice will you have for Stan for the final?
ROGER FEDERER: I hope he wins and I hope he gives everything he has. You know, there’s no reason not to believe that he can beat Rafa. He’s clearly got a tough record against him, but many players have that. There’s no difference there.

Pressure’s clearly on Rafa because he’s got to win this finals. Stan’s in his first Grand Slam finals, so that makes Stan also unpredictable. He’s got to use that to his advantage.

Q. Clearly it wasn’t a difference in the result of the match, but the grunting and also the serial violating of the time rule that Rafa does, do you feel that umpires generally are too lenient with him? You seem to be waiting all the time.
ROGER FEDERER: Rafa is doing a much better job today than he used to. I mean, I’m not complaining much about the time. But I think I’ve played him, what, 33 or 34 times. He’s gotten two point penalties over the course of our rivalry. I just think that’s not quite happening. I mean, we know how much time he used to take.

I’m not complaining about so many things. But, I mean, either you have rules or you don’t. If you don’t have rules, it’s fine. Everybody can do whatever they want to do.

I just think it’s important to enforce the rules on many levels, whatever it may be. On all the players the same way. Don’t give me or Djokovic a free pass just because of who we are.

I think we should all be judged the same way. Not just a guy on Court 16 because the guy had a brutal rally, you have to give him a time violation just because you can.

On center court, they’re always going to be afraid, the umpires, to take those decisions. I just like to challenge them a little bit.

I don’t want to go in the office and complain all the time. I never do. I just hope they do their job correctly. If they don’t, what are you going to do? Sit and watch. Sometimes you just got to say things.

I didn’t lose the match because of that. It didn’t bother me. I just felt I had to mention something.


Michael Says:

Brando,

Well Rafa improved significantly and was a different animal in the semis. But still no excuses can be offered for Roger not taking a set off him. He could have done it provided he had overcome that mental block. But it was not to be. He crumbled rather meekly to the onslaught by Rafa which was unceasing, unflinching and unrelenting.


Hippy Chic Says:

Brando here here well said great post,no need to p*ss on ones achievements to make you feel better about anothers.


Vidzy Says:

Very unsporting and poor presser from Federer…Didnt expect some of the words he said about Rafa…


Giles Says:

Fed is a liar. I do not believe he has complained about Rafa’s grunting in any of their previous matches.
#ShameOnYouFed
23-10


hawkeye Says:

Two great champions.

Happy for all the Rafans here.

Commies to the many great fedfans. You know who you are!


gonzalowski Says:

Complaining about grunting… pffff, also Rafa’s mindtricks are better than Roger’s


Giles Says:

FED IS A BAD LOSER AT ALL TIMES!!
He’s the one that instigated the stricter time rule in the first place!
#BuggerOffFed
#HaveNoTimeForYourCryBabyTactics


Vidzy Says:

@ Giles

I cant believe Federer said that and complained too.

very poor sportsmanship from Federer..I hope this doesn’t lose the respect Rafa has or had for Federer all over these years .

Now seeing reading all this i wish Federer would have lost to Murray to save us all the agony of witnessing this match and reading Roger’s comments.

Not good..Not good at all Roger !! How can you complain to umpire about Rafa grunting ? Are you a 16 year old kid who is playing Rafa for the first time ???


Giles Says:

He should go back to Dedberg and ask for some fresh tactics against Rafa!!


Giles Says:

Hahaha. He is going to be the Swiss #2 now, deservedly so!!
#CryBaby
#CryBaby


calmdownplease Says:

“You don’t even accept that it Murray himself who said it was non-invasive, MINOR surgery! I didn’t put those Words into his mouth!..”

lol, surgery is always invasive!
It can be `minimally invasive` but it has to by its nature be invasive Dr Kildare.
Unless its done by a voodoo doctor perhaps.
Please be a grown up, Murray is certainly in rehab mode from a bad back & surgery and probably would not have lost to Federer otherwise.


WTF Says:

All these high profile coaches.. Edberg, Becker, Llendl. And they couldn’t win them the title.


gonzalowski Says:

Andy took WB with Lendl didn’t he?


madmax Says:

Giles and Vidzy, enough please.

You are Always going to say bad things about Rafa.

Problem is Rafa does get away with time violations and we all know that. Nothing gets done, but as Roger says, it does not detract from the fantastic player that Rafa is.

He is the greatest player to see in terms of his sheer will Power and brutality.

Brando, I love your posts. You are very fair and I agree with Everything you say.

Good luck.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

First of all, roger lost and deservedly so. His backhand and his serve (sometimes his forhand) werent good enough, esp his return was weak.

Nadal played his best match today. He and stand will make a worthy final.

As roger regards, he will come back. Call me delusional or stupid or whatever you like, but he will one GS this year.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

*win*


Giles Says:

Fed will not win another GS. He can bring on an army of Schmedbergs but it will be to no avail. I would be interested to see his next liaison against a fit Murray!


Salleh Ahmed Says:

@giles

i will come back to you at the end of the season


madmax Says:

calmdownplease Says:

“You don’t even accept that it Murray himself who said it was non-invasive, MINOR surgery! I didn’t put those Words into his mouth!..”

lol, surgery is always invasive!
It can be `minimally invasive` but it has to by its nature be invasive Dr Kildare.
Unless its done by a voodoo doctor perhaps.
Please be a grown up, Murray is certainly in rehab mode from a bad back & surgery and probably would not have lost to Federer otherwise.

January 24th, 2014 at 8:19 am

Must have taken ages to think of that one on a tennis site.

A medical procedure is strictly defined as non-invasive when no break in the skin is created and there is no contact with the mucosa, or skin break, or internal body cavity beyond a natural or artificial body orifice.

Non-invasive techniques commonly used for diagnosis and therapy, nothing major.

minor – now what could this mean? Oh yeah…”lesser in importance, seriousness, or significance”.

Andy Murray, quote” non-inviasvie and minor” – so includes therapy, could include a bit of laser treatment perhaps? Bout time you just accepted it.

About time, CDP, Deuce/Margot wised up to the facts that Andy is a big boy now, said what he said, I believe himm, yet you don’t. Bout time to get a large dose of reality.

They guy will be fine.Back to the Fed match. I remember watching the USO in 2008, Murray playing in the SF against Rafa, he was absolutley awesome. Murray that is. He went for broke, Gritted his teeth the whole way through the match.

Now to the SF with Fed, why can’t Fed take a leaf out of Murrays book with that same grittiness to his game. I am not saying that to detract from his beautiful play, but I would really like to see more fight from him. I guess I just have to accept (and I will and I am), that Fed will still get to the business end of his slams, but unless he has a huge mental dose of sports psyche meds, he will face this problme time and time again.


WTF Says:

gonzalowski Says:

“Andy took WB with Lendl didn’t he?”

Not sure what WB means. Welcome Back? Sorry I haven’t been keeping up with internet lingo these days.


WTF Says:

Giles, so full of class as always.


calmdownplease Says:

It took me about the time to think about it that it took for me to read your contradictory post.
And no,it wasn’t therapy that he had, the bone of one of his vertebrae was shaved to stop the pressure on a nerve & so it was surgery full stop and required a lengthy period of recuperation..
Using keyhole surgery, for example, that enters the body without opening the body using the traditional methods (ie with a scalpel)but with special laparoscopic laser tools & devices can be `minimally invasive` but it still penetrates the body.
Minimally invasive is the term, but surgery is always invasive. Therapy can be non invasive but Murray had (now pay attention) surgery!
You stated `non invasive surgery` and no such thing exists.
He was on a hospital bed & afterwards in an operating room, there was rehab in the pool he had played only a handful of matches previously either.
Honestly!
Either way, Murray was not ready and had he been I have little doubt about the outcome of the match.
Don’t delude yourself.
The Nadal altercation was in no way a surprise to anyone that lived in reality.
Stick a fork in Roger as far as winning slams go,
He’s 33 this year & that’s sport.


the DA Says:

@skeezer- So someone who’s playing only their 7th match after a 4 month lay off is pretending to have aches and be sore? Okay. Even to the untrained eye you could see there were physical issues by the fourth set. Roger played amazingly but don’t kid yourself that this was a 100% Andy across the net.

@madmax – What are you talking about? Of course it was invasive. The surgeon made a key hole incision and shaved a piece of bone down. There is a scar which several players/reporters have described.

Jeez, you come on here to congratulate Rafa fans and come across such nonsense.

@Margot – Commiseration hug. The boy will be back. It wasn’t going to be easy. Even less with the new rankings but we know he’ll do it. (( ))


hawkeye Says:

Minimally invasive. Likely a scope. Any back surgery can be risky and certainly requires recovery.

Regardless, just as it was for Rafa when he returned rusty in his first few tournaments back, no player can be at the top of their game after missing competitive professional tennis for so long.

That’s the undeniable truth here.

Muzza was simply not at his best and Fed played great.


hawkeye Says:

“Non-invasive surgery”????

Hahahahahahahaha


Patson Says:

Giles…being humble in victory is a much better thing to do.


Slice Tennis Says:

Any comeback from a layoff is going to be painful and slow. Even Rafa lost a clay final to Zeballos.

Murray did well given the circumstances. It was very clear that his movement was not 100% and he was getting tired by the mid of the second set against Federer.

Murray will come back strong and he is going to be the major challenger for Rafa at Wimbledon and USO.


gonzalowski Says:

I said, Andy won Wimbledon with Lendl, didn’t he’


WTF Says:

gonzalowski Says:

“I said, Andy won Wimbledon with Lendl, didn’t he’”

Yes. But couldn’t win AO. This was the first time all 3 coaches were coaching these guys at the same time. Djoker was 3 time defending champion. Lost in quarters. Maybe he didn’t need Becker? What I saw was a choke on match point. He went for a serve volley and missed it. Did not play a serve volley at all in the entire 5 sets, tries it on match point out of desperation or panic.

Might have been Becker’s encouragement, since he was a serve volley player.

As for Fedberg, this is the worst he’s played against Rafa in a long time. Only at the French once or twice has he ever lost in straight sets to Rafa.

Murray is a bit more excuseable since he’s still coming back from an injury layoff. But he did lose to a guy who he’d been beating regularly in recent history. I believe he lost more GS finals under Llendl than he won.


the DA Says:

“I believe he lost more GS finals under Llendl than he won.”

Eh? It’s 2-2 (Wimby RU, AO RU, USO W, Wimby W) – plus throw in the gold medal as a bonus.


Brando Says:

LOL @ blaming Coaches. The following:

- Rafa himself say’s that the responsibility ultimately lies with the player NOT the Coach- win or lose. Can I see Fed, Novak or Muzza saying otherwise? no chance!

- Andy himself say’s that a Coach can help your preparation but out on Court it’s all you and your decision making. Basically extending what Rafa has said: it’s ALL on the player at the end.

- Roger himself has said EDBERG has been nothing but great for him. Barring a loss today to a player he has long struggled against- EDBERG has been nothing but great for him. So all of a sudden: can you you really blame EDBERG for this loss? Absolutely not IMO. Nor can you blame Roger either.

- BECKER: how can anyone blame him for Novak’s loss. The following:

1. Novak post Wawa loss has HIMSELF said he’s happy with Boris.

2. Boris has actually been advising him since post China Open- can someone remind me about Novak’s trouble prior to Wawa since if i’m not mistaken he was unbeaten and Boris was helping him during this point. Hmmmmmmmmm…………

3. Can you HONESTLY see Boris suggesting Novak to change a thing at AO with Novak? No chance. He more than likely said:

Keep doing what you are doing here. It works. You are kicking butt.

4. Boris did not tell Novak to go to that on those last 2 points- Novak made the decision HIMSELF. Can’t blame Boris on that one either.

5. As Muzza said: you CANNOT expect change to happen immediately with a new Coach so to blame BORIS and call for his sacking immediately is beyond unfair.

6. At the end of the day: he lost to WAWRINKA (Player of the Year so far, a tough opponent for Novak) barely 9-7 in the 5th- hardly a bad loss.

Long story short:

The players are professionals and they act like it. They will NEVER and nor do they blame their Coaches for their losses. ONLY fans do such a thing.

With BECKER it’s way too early to say anything other than Novak say’s he’s happy with him. If he’s happy with him then- what more can his fans ask for?

EDBERG- Fed has said he’s been nothing but great for him. Everyone prior to the last 15 hours was saying the same. How did EDBERG become a bad thing all of a sudden since then? Because Fed lost to Rafa?

LOL- let’s not over react.


the DA Says:

@ Brando – I remember it was the same thing a few months after Andy hired Lendl. After a few less than stellar results/early exits at Masters people were betting that Lendl would be fired by Wimbledon. Look how that turned out.


Okiegal Says:

@madmax

Have you seen the light regarding Andy’s non invasive surgery yet? It seems as though there are other posters on here that know more about it than you do. If the Dr. put a whole in his back I would assume he was anesthetized, which makes the procedure a little more serious. What you perceive the surgery to be is totally different than what some other posters seem to think. Why shouldn’t I believe them??

@Margot

Help me out here!! However, you are probably sick of this subject. It’s apparent Andy isnt 100% just yet!


Okiegal Says:

This is to anyone on this forum that was in the operating room with Andy Murray, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND!! Lol


Polo Says:

Surgery by definition is an invasive procedure, except laser surgery. If the procedure entails using penetrating or invading the body by means of an instrument, it is invasive. If the cut is small and used just to create an opening to put in an instrument to perform the procedure it is considered an invasive surgery, albeit a minor surgery as compared with cutting up an opening to expose the organ that needed fixing. I hope this clarifies this issue about invasive/noninvasive.


WTF Says:

Brando:

I’m not blaming the coach for losses (except possibly hinting at Becker and his serve volley on match point). I’m saying they’re overrated and can’t help you win an AO if you couldn’t have won it without them.

I’m not saying the reason they lost is because they hired a high profile coach. I’m saying that that coach isn’t going to win it for them (and if they do, it wasn’t because of the coach), which it seems you already agree with. I have to question whether it’s even necessary. I think it’s more out of publicity than necessity.

Nole did superbly with just Vada. Losing a couple of slams to Rafa and Murray, he suddenly decided he needed Becker as well? Sounds like premature panic to me. I don’t think Fed needs Edberg either. Whatever “good to me” means, it surely isn’t as good as his seasons when he went solo and won 3 majors.


WTF Says:

“3. Can you HONESTLY see Boris suggesting Novak to change a thing at AO with Novak? No chance. He more than likely said:

Keep doing what you are doing here. It works. You are kicking butt.”

I don’t know how much he is paying Boris, but I could tell him the same thing for much cheaper.

“4. Boris did not tell Novak to go to that on those last 2 points- Novak made the decision HIMSELF. Can’t blame Boris on that one either.”

I’ve never seen him do anything like this before. I don’t have any proof Boris told him to do it, but boy was that a howler. I wanna know what possessed him, if that was his decision. Boris probably expected him to win comfortably and never be in the position of facing match point.

“5. As Muzza said: you CANNOT expect change to happen immediately with a new Coach so to blame BORIS and call for his sacking immediately is beyond unfair.”

Whoa. WHOA WHOA WHOA. YOu need to stop putting words in my mouth. When did I call for his sacking? I’m saying maybe he was already a good enough player that he didn’t really need Becker in the first place.

I will say this though: If he wins more majors, I don’t think Boris was the reason he won them. He already proved he can win them without Boris.

What is the goal though? Does he have something in particular he wants to improve that only Boris can help him with? Otherwise, what is Boris providing that he didn’t already have?

“6. At the end of the day: he lost to WAWRINKA (Player of the Year so far, a tough opponent for Novak) barely 9-7 in the 5th- hardly a bad loss.”

Yes and it was the first loss he’d had to Stan since 2006. That was 14 wins straight. Hmmm.

By his standards I thought it was a pretty bad loss. He got the early break in the 5th and then donated it back with 4 UEs. And then that match point… ugh. What possessed him?

“The players are professionals and they act like it. They will NEVER and nor do they blame their Coaches for their losses. ONLY fans do such a thing.”

Not blaming coaches. Saying they’re overrated. No player is going to speak ill of their coach will still employing them. That doesn’t mean splits don’t happen though.

The next time you respond without actually reading what I post, I will just say you didn’t read it, and ignore your reply.


WTF Says:

“can you you really blame EDBERG for this loss? Absolutely not IMO. Nor can you blame Roger either.”

Who I blame for the loss is Rafa for being a better player, and no coach being able to help Roger enough to beat Rafa, including Edberg.

Did he lose because he hired Edberg? No. I don’t recall ever saying that was the case. I don’t know why you have to put such words in my mouth.

I’m saying Edberg didn’t (or possibly can’t) help him beat Rafa (even though Roger claimed he gave him ideas). That doesn’t mean he lost because of Edberg. But he’s not able to win with him either.

Fed knows how to beat Rafa. He knows what it takes. He’s done it before (it’s just not easy and not always in your hands). He doesn’t need a coach to teach him.

As for Edberg being “nothing but great” for him. Like I said, a player never speaks ill of his coach. He said similar things about Tony Roche only 2 weeks before he sacked him.

I don’t seriously think Roger will win any more slams, with or without Edberg. If it’s not Rafa that will take him out, it will be Nole or some lesser player.


WTF Says:

“5. As Muzza said: you CANNOT expect change to happen immediately with a new Coach so to blame BORIS and call for his sacking immediately is beyond unfair.”

Oh it takes time does it? If a coach can’t help you win a title that you’ve already won 3 times in a row without his help, I have to question what was the point of hiring him? To improve on something? What? And why does he need it? He was already capable of winning this title, he’d done it 4 times already and is the 3 time defending champion. What is he getting out of this? He was already capable of winning all 4 GS (he almost beat Rafa in Paris). What is he actually getting out of this?

All I see is a regress. He ended up losing to a good player, but he had that guy’s number. 14 wins straight since 2006.

If he’d already achieved feats like 3 GS in a year, and 7-0 wins straight against Rafa, all in finals, 6 GS, and done this without Boris’s help, I’d like to know what his goals are in this new partnership. Where does he want Boris to take him? Calendar Year Grand Slam (he was one match away from 4 in a row already)?

It’s a regress for Murray too, who was a finalist last year. Yeah you can say his injury layoff didn’t help him cause. But Rafa had a 7 month injury layoff too, and look how he rebounded from that.


madmax Says:

Okiegal Says:
@madmax

Have you seen the light regarding Andy’s non invasive surgery yet? It seems as though there are other posters on here that know more about it than you do. If the Dr. put a whole in his back I would assume he was anesthetized, which makes the procedure a little more serious. What you perceive the surgery to be is totally different than what some other posters seem to think. Why shouldn’t I believe them??

OKAY, Oki, I say it again and this for the last time. To all murray fans.

I HAVEN NOT DEGRADED HIM, HAVE SALUTED HIM, WILL SAY IT AGAIN, A GREAT PLAYER.

Please don’t say I think anything else. Have also said time over, HE LACKS MATCH PRACTICE. that’s all.

NOW, MURRAY: HIS OWN WORDS: MINOR SURGERY, NON-INVASIVE SURGERY. THE END.

jUST BECAUSE 5 OF YOU FAIL TO READ HIS REPORTS, JAKE IN WHAT HE SAYS, BECAUSE YOU DON’T WANT TO HEAR IT. YOUR PROBLEM. I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. YOUR PROBLEM.

He was fit enough to play AO, otherwise he would not have entered. He just lacked match practice. I didn’t say anything other than factual. It is what it is.

Andy lacked match practice. Andy had minor surgery.
Andy Had non-invasive surgery. So Please deal with that. Running back to Margot to ask for her distorted story will not change the truth.

Of course lack of match practice hampered his play. Who has said anything different? Murray also said, he thought he had taken too much time off, and that was the wrong strategy. I posted the links already. Go read them and face it.


madmax Says:

and Oki, because 5 of you think one is wrong, does not make the five of you right. Because you decide to form a pack? Deal with it.

Listen to the reports Andy has given out, listen to his team don’t make a decision based on heart and guts and ‘Oh my God’ a fed fan dares to comment on the meaning of minor and non-invasive.

And unless you were in the hospital room or took him some grapes and had a heart with him, how the hell would you know? But. The Guardian newspaper is his tennis bible. As you know who has quoted here time and again, so THEY should know.

and when I commented on the USO 2008 and when Murray played Rafa, was the biggest compliment to him. And yet you cannot believe a fed fan could be so complimentary. Again, your problem.


Rick Says:

I told you guys that, Rafa would thumped Federer. Roger was just there for getting thumped! hehe


Margot Says:

http://www.bupa.co.uk/individuals/health-information/directory/b/back-surgery

A little article for the hard of understanding.
NB: If your GP or surgeon suggests back surgery this is a LAST RESORT.”
@Okiegal
Still here darling, still laughing that some deluded Fed fans thought beating Andy on crutches signified some new dawn.
@ the DA
Hugs right back.
Lol u gotta keep smiling.


Margot Says:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/andy-murray-tweets-thumbs-up-picture-from-hospital-bed-following-surgery-on-his-back-8836125.html

And here’s a picture of Andy in hospital, just for the hard of understanding.
OMG can’t think why Andy isn’t out on the practise court. He’s such a slacker, don’t yer know.


Slice Tennis Says:

madmax Says:
“Andy lacked match practice. Of course lack of match practice hampered his play.”

Hey mad maxi,
Precisely the point.
That’s what people have been saying here. Federer has beaten a sub par Andy Murray.

You guys celebrated and hyped it up so much as if Federer beat a Murray at a decent level. Then we all witnessed the royal a$$ whooping at the hands of Rafa. LMAO.

Enough of your mad nonsense.


tennisbro Says:

IMHO not enough changes in Rogers game – he does make some great shots but not consistently or fast enough – he likes a slower match – however Rafa can think on his feet faster and continuously make tough angle shots when he needs to. Wish Roger could/would make a powerful straight down-the line shot more often – fast and powerful and unexpected. Wish Roger didn’t make so many bad net shots. Wish Roger wouldn’t make so many pingpong shots directly to Rafa before he makes his move to the corners. He’s been doing these things for years now and for a different result these bad habits need to change.

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