Roger Federer: Rafa Deserved It, He Was Better, But It’s Not Cool To Lose In Straights
by Tom Gainey | January 24th, 2014
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It was another tough night for Roger Federer who lost in straight sets to longtime rival Rafael Nadal in the Australian Open semifinals.

Federer, who was seeking his third straight Top 10 win after victories over Andy Murray and Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, couldn’t muster much against the World No.1

Federer has now lost 23 of 33 meetings against the Spaniard winning just two of 11 in Grand Slam play. And if Nadal beats him countryman Stanislas Wawrinka on Sunday he’ll close to within three of Federer in the Grand Slam count.

After the loss, the 32-year-old addressed the media.

Q. What was the most frustrating about tonight?
ROGER FEDERER: Probably the lack of chances I was able to create on the return. ‘Cause I hung around, you know, the first couple of sets. So I guess that was frustrating, you know, because I thought I was going to get into more of his service games.

If you get the lead at least in the first or second set, at one point maybe I can also play a bit more freely, you know, do a bit more what I was hoping to do, play a bit more aggressive.

But like that you kind of always have to keep playing to stay with him, to play the score. But, you know, it was a tough match. So I guess that was the toughest part today.

Q. Did you feel like you didn’t play as well as you hoped or is it just that Rafael played too well tonight?
ROGER FEDERER: No, I think Rafa played well. I think he’s the way I know him. He’s played me this way many times. You know, I’m not sure if I served as good as I could have.

But then again, you know, for the first one and a half hours or so, I mean, I didn’t get broken, I don’t think. It wasn’t all that bad, you know.

I was hoping that my forehand was going to work out a bit better, but it didn’t, so that let me down a bit. Then it was just the lack of, you know, opportunities I created for myself which put the pressure on me too frequently, you know, instead of maybe being able to do that the other way around.

He did a good job. He didn’t make many errors, even though I was trying to hit hard and flat. I tried to play my game. Sometimes I did play very well and sometimes I didn’t. But he overall was more consistent. He deserved to win tonight. I mean, he was better.

Q. How satisfied do you think you’ll be overall with the fortnight, with the new racquet, Stefan on your team?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, it’s very encouraging, you know, no doubt. Wish I could have won here tonight and then, you know, given an all Swiss final. That’s something I’ll regret, you know, for a long time.

But then again, you know, it was a great start to the season for me. Would have been nice to win Brisbane, would have been nice to win here tonight, but you can’t have it all.

I think this is a very good start to the season for me overall. I played some really good tennis here. I still feel my best tennis is only ahead of me right now. So I’m looking forward to the next couple of months, how they’re going to play out for me, and hopefully by April I feel like I’m going to be at 100% again.

Q. You said on Wednesday that Stefan had some ideas on how you could try things differently against Rafa. Anything specifically you tried tonight that was good?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, I tried a few things, you know. Then again, like I said, I think Rafa does a good job of neutralizing you.

The problem was, like I said, because I wasn’t getting into enough service games, you’re not going to try out a crazy amount of things on your own service games. There you need to play tough and aggressive and you just have to be solid.

So I guess at times I couldn’t quite do what I wanted to do, but that’s because of Rafa.

Q. I think we heard you tonight complaining to the umpire about Rafa’s grunting. Was it worse than normal tonight? Do you find it distracting?
ROGER FEDERER: Not when he does it every point. But it goes in phases. One point he does and he doesn’t. That’s just what I was complaining about.

Had no impact on the outcome of the match, you know, but the level was the same.

Q. Have you complained before?
ROGER FEDERER: I have, yeah.

Q. Is Nadal the guy that distracts you the most?
ROGER FEDERER: Not necessarily. I enjoy playing against him because it’s always going to be on center court, it’s always going to be a big story, you know, going into the match.

So that’s kind of what you train hard for, you know. That’s where you want to be. It’s not where I don’t want to be, so I’m always happy when I come out against him because the atmosphere is different and I enjoy the matches normally.

I mean, it’s not as cool when you lose in straight sets. Nevertheless, there’s good moments out there, as well.

Q. He’s had a decent record against you in the past couple years.
ROGER FEDERER: A good record (smiling).

Q. You just lacked that extra kick in your step tonight. After going down to someone that often, does it start denting your belief that you can beat them?
ROGER FEDERER: No, I don’t think necessarily. I think Rafa did a good job of keeping the pressure on me. You know, I might have gotten a little tired, you know, maybe in the third set, you know. But that’s maybe just the lack of trying to get back to an absolute 100%.

But overall I’m very happy. Rafa played well and he played solid. So, you know, I don’t have crazy regrets tonight other than, you know, maybe not having created more opportunities for myself. You know, Rafa was his usual self, what I kind of expected.

I don’t expect him to be worse off just because of a blister or worse off because he’s having sort of an up and down sort of performance at this event.

When he usually comes in against me, he always plays solid, if not great. So I think it was one of those nights again, which I knew was going to be tough.

Q. Did you feel a bit slower today than the other days? Was the reason because of your backhand didn’t work today very well on the return maybe?
ROGER FEDERER: It’s a totally different match. I don’t know how to explain you guys. It’s totally different playing Rafa over anybody else. Playing Murray or Rafa is day and night.

It’s not because of the level necessarily, but it’s just every point is played in a completely different fashion and I have to totally change my game.

No excuse. It’s just a fact of what it is. I try to fight that today, and he yeah, it’s a different match very different.

Q. Pete Sampras told us earlier today that he was pretty amazed by your mindset, your freshness at this age. When he was your age or younger he felt beaten down by the grind. Having said that, are you excited about this uptick and the whole the vitality of the early part of the year, does that give you a lot of juice?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I mean, in a way I needed it, as well. I needed a good moment again because I’ve been going through a tougher time for some time. Even though you can say that Basel was better, Paris was better, London was better, the results were slightly better, but the game itself was not necessarily amazing.

I mean, it was solid, you know, but what I like to do is I like to take it to the guy. I like to be in command. That’s what I was able to do now the last couple of weeks. So that’s very encouraging.

Like I said, that’s why I’m not too disappointed tonight because I feel it’s been a good start. I’ve come from far back. I didn’t have surgery like Murray had or like Rafa the problems had being out for seven months.

I’ve played with something that has been going on for a while. This is a step in the right direction, and that’s the way I want to go. I have a belief this could be a very good year for me again.

Q. What advice will you have for Stan for the final?
ROGER FEDERER: I hope he wins and I hope he gives everything he has. You know, there’s no reason not to believe that he can beat Rafa. He’s clearly got a tough record against him, but many players have that. There’s no difference there.

Pressure’s clearly on Rafa because he’s got to win this finals. Stan’s in his first Grand Slam finals, so that makes Stan also unpredictable. He’s got to use that to his advantage.

Q. Clearly it wasn’t a difference in the result of the match, but the grunting and also the serial violating of the time rule that Rafa does, do you feel that umpires generally are too lenient with him? You seem to be waiting all the time.
ROGER FEDERER: Rafa is doing a much better job today than he used to. I mean, I’m not complaining much about the time. But I think I’ve played him, what, 33 or 34 times. He’s gotten two point penalties over the course of our rivalry. I just think that’s not quite happening. I mean, we know how much time he used to take.

I’m not complaining about so many things. But, I mean, either you have rules or you don’t. If you don’t have rules, it’s fine. Everybody can do whatever they want to do.

I just think it’s important to enforce the rules on many levels, whatever it may be. On all the players the same way. Don’t give me or Djokovic a free pass just because of who we are.

I think we should all be judged the same way. Not just a guy on Court 16 because the guy had a brutal rally, you have to give him a time violation just because you can.

On center court, they’re always going to be afraid, the umpires, to take those decisions. I just like to challenge them a little bit.

I don’t want to go in the office and complain all the time. I never do. I just hope they do their job correctly. If they don’t, what are you going to do? Sit and watch. Sometimes you just got to say things.

I didn’t lose the match because of that. It didn’t bother me. I just felt I had to mention something.


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146 Comments for Roger Federer: Rafa Deserved It, He Was Better, But It’s Not Cool To Lose In Straights

Brando Says:

Great presser from Fed and huge props to him for not taking the bait from the media and slaming Rafa.

It’s obvious they were fishing for Fed to say something headline making re Rafa on the grunting and time between points but Fed showed his class not to.

I think we all know that Rafa is slow between points, he has improved and I hope he does so more.

But credit to Fed for being really sporting here.


Hippy Chic Says:

Im a big Rafa fan,but to be fair Roger has a right to be p*ssed off that he takes too long between points,and hes also conceded that Rafa was still the better anyway,so its not as though people can say Roger is making excuses,eek ready to be heckled now.


Hippy Chic Says:

Also was it my imagination,but in that 1st set i thoght Roger was also grunting anyway,unless im mistaken,hmm just saying??


Giles Says:

Fed has been grunting for quite a while now. Of course he can grunt, but Rafa can’t!!
#BadLoser
#AlwaysHasBeen


Giles Says:

@alison. Fed us only p*ssed off cos he lost. Am sure he wouldn’t have been complaining about Rafa’s grunts or slow play had he won. Rafa is Rafa. Take it or leave it.
Vamos Champ!!


Giles Says:

Alison. And for goodness sake just please stop agreeing with comments that are anti-Rafa. You do this all the time!!


Queen Says:

Grunting? What grunting? He should play Shrekapova or Azarenka lol he would go deaf. U r ridiculous Fed!


Slice Tennis Says:

Commiserations to all the nice and fair fed fans (Ex. Polo, Daniel, Michael, Sheila, etc) who have accepted Rafa is the GOAT.

Only a very few mad ones are left now who still believe Fed is the GOAT. The message for you guys is GET WELL SOON.


Queen Says:

Well I guess when u r old everything bothers u.


Slice Tennis Says:

If Rafa is taking too much of time or grunting its the umpires who have to take a call. Federer should not be complaining about that.


rex Says:

Amazing pressure by roger. As a rafa fan my respect towards him as grown to new heights.

He is not going anywhere soon.


rex Says:

^^
presser


Giles Says:

Fed should have Azarenka or Shriekapova the other side of the net. Either one would grunt him off the court.
#PatheticWhiner


Brando Says:

@Rex:

Completely agree. My respect for Fed has grown after this presser.

He could have bashed Rafa and given the baying media what they wanted, but NO. He was well above that, showed great respect towards Rafa- a respect that he certainly get’s back from Rafa: no doubt.

I think this was the first time anyone said anything about Rafa’s grunting. And I don’t really think Fed was complaining about it but rather:

He was letting his disappointed about the match out to the umpire about via this point. I can understand that.

All in all: a excellent presser.


Jatin Says:

Giles
It obvious who is whining in this thread right now. :)


Queen Says:

Amazing presser? Samo samo over and over again. I think the presser was rather stupid.


Michael Says:

Slice Tennis,

Roger is within his right to complain to the Umpire. It is upto the Umpire to act on his complaint based on its merit.


Giles Says:

^^ It’s called whining at the whiner who is not the winner!


gonzalowski Says:

Better he wouldn’t have complained about such trifles (a new word I just learned ;), he doesn’t show a lot of respect for Rafa with this.
But respectful, overall, as almost ever


Nirmal kumar Says:

Fantastic Roger. Great things to takeway. He was able to string together 5 very good matches, also against quality opponents. Showed great attitude and aggressive style in all the matches. Not sure what’s his next tournament is, but eagerly waiting to see him back to court.

Today was a bad day, but pretty much expected. Hope Roger does not take this loss to pull his morale down.


Hippy Chic Says:

Michael thankyou for proving my point,its not about whining its about been fair to all,the only thing that gets to me is when Rafa is singled out,dont get me wrong i know hes not perfect,but i found it interesting that a week ago Delpo was called out by the umpires for exactly the same thing,not to mention the 8 minute tolet break he took Bautista Agut complained to the umpire and was so p*ssed off about it,that when one of his points tickled the net and only just went over he didnt even aplogize to Delpo,i didnt actually see the handshake at the end which wouldve been interesting,but im surprised this was all simply swept under the carpet,if it had been Rafa well one can only imagine the reaction.


Purcell Says:

Really Giles you do need to get a bit of perspective here. Fed makes a noise, I wouldn’t call it grunting necessarily, on serve. It’s become more pronounced as time has passed and as his back has become more of an issue. You call him a bad loser….don’t make me laugh. I’m actually surprised he didn’t complain about Nadal’s time wasting and MTO which Nadal does on a frequent basis in order to get the sympathy/admiration of the public and encourage the ongoing narrative that he’s a brave, brave boy, a hero and a fighter. Grunting is all part of the act of course. It’s about time someone said something, on court, off court, player’s council etc. about Nadal and his team’s disrespectful behaviour. Keeping his opponent waiting, keeping the paying public waiting, keeping the legends of the game waiting. But who will dare to do it? Too much at stake all round.
Do you know what Giles? Roger played lousy and it’s probable that Stan will too, but somewhat uncharitably, I hope Stan knocks Nadal off the court and back to his little Spanish Island along with his sneaky uncle. There I’ve lowered myself to your level. It’s been easy to restrain myself from responding negatively to you and your fanboy friends but I’ve had enough.


Hippy Chic Says:

I dont have an issue with the men grunting,its the womens screaming i hate,probably why i dont really have much time for the womens game,with a few exceptions to the rule.


Perfect fan Says:

Simply flawless game by rafa….i agree with roger that nadal usually plays very solid against him….blister-no blister, rafa is a diff animal when he plays fed, at the highest level….and rightly so, as fed is his arch rival whom he is aspiring to beat in GS count.

Nevertheless, I m very happy for roger what he has done so far. TBH, I knew roger won’t make it but wud hav been happier with a more close fight….but rafa was sensational tonight.

BTW, good luck to both rafa n stan for the finals. So happy for rafa that he is going to claim a very special n rare record coming sunday….that said, if stan plays out of his mind and wins, i’ll also be very happy. I have a lot of respect for this man. Stan is such a humble person and a great talent, overshadowed by roger for most of his career….i am so happy for once he is in a GS final ahead of roger. I have identical feelings for ferrer, a really nice man.


gonzalowski Says:

Purcell, two things:
Back issues with Roger? No excuses, thank you.

Disrespectful behavior from Rafa and his team? LOL, you should learn to lose, my friend. Disrespectful is whining about nonsenses like Federer has done today… uncharacteristic from a tennis legend like the ones you mention


Anna Says:

Rafa worked hard to improve on time violation when he was off tour in 2012. Instead of giving Rafa credit for that, they egg on Roger with the hopes he’ll drag out every possible complaint one could have in a match. Oh the drama. That Roger, who knows Rafa’s game so very well by now, would complain about his grunting is surprising. They’ve played 33 times, and I know I haven’t seen them all, but never do I remember Roger complaining about that grunt before, which begs the question “who’s being inconsistent here?”. In terms of decibels I’m sure it’s not any louder than most of the guys. Ferrer is a loud grunter but I’ll bet Rodger has never complained about David. Why? Because he’s never lost to David before.


Anna Says:

Purcell – Nobody believes the garbage you spew. Tiresome, tiresome rhetoric. You honestly sound like a bitter old shrew.


Humble Rafa Says:

Sorry to leave in the middle of the funeral proceedings. But I have to rest up and prepare for an important match on Sunday.

Take care.


Giles Says:

Purcell. I do not have an iota of interest in your posts. You can spit, you can spew, I couldn’t give a rat’s @ss. You are a Rafa hater so I will leave you to stew in your own juice!
Vamos Rafa!


courbon Says:

Congratulations to all Rafa fans, great win!
Number 14 coming soon…who would think so even year ago?


Humble Rafa Says:

17 is within reach. I have always believed in that.


Daniel Says:

Slice Tennis,

I haven’t agreed nadal is GOT because he beat Fed one more time or have a HxH advantage. He always have does and it’s not going to change. I just aknowledge that he is on his way to became the GOAT once he surpass Federer’s 17 which in the process will increase his nunber #1 records which right now is not even in top 5.

Anything can change in a match.
If Wawrinka wins, GOAT debate will rest. What’s the point of beating Fed and not qinning the tourney.
If he wins here but loses RG to Djoko. They will basically change Slams. Oh and you better preparefor the day Nadal loses RG because it’s going to happen pretry soon.
One of the thigs that intrigues me the most about tbe future is how Nadal desxendong phase will be. Will he plays years fyer his prime as Fed is? Will he retires once he is not certain or favourite to won anymore like some other in the past?
A men’s legacy is evaluate how he handle tuff times as well. Will see.

But we know with tennis is that everything can change in 1 match, 1 tourney. So far it all looks Rafa and he definitely is on his way getting closet to Fed.
But right now he isn’t GOAT. Not even near. He has not a single one of the rmost important records, unless as Himble preaches, GOAT owner;-)
So, some respect. 17 Grand Slams and longer time as #1 still counts.


Daniel Says:

Many typos, iPhone typing sucks


Susan Says:

@Purcell…very true.


WTF Says:

“I still feel my best tennis is only ahead of me right now.”

Really? So the form that won him 3 GS a year in 2004, 2006, and 2007 is ahead of him? I mean, his “best” tennis which should be even better than those years is still ahead of him?

Is he deluded or what?

“and hopefully by April I feel like I’m going to be at 100% again.”

But didn’t he say a few days ago he was already at 100%, and back to his best?


andrea Says:

for years, federer never admitted that he had troubles playing against rafa, even though we all knew it. it’s with age that he finally admits that it’s an uphill battle.


Eric W. Says:

Roger didn’t match up well with Nadal as a 25 year old, so no shame in losing to him at 32. Great tournament for the maestro, and nice to see him competitive again. The only one who can challenge Nadal is Nole, but until he clears out the cobwebs and regains his confidence, we may be in for a calendar year Grand Slam from the Spaniard.


mrmilbury Says:

As a tennis player, there is nothing worse than your opponent grunting, feasting, screaming and yelling every damned point.

Federer has a swiss behavior on court, Nadal a spanish one. It is unavoidable that sometimes this differences detonate in some sparks.

Anyway, Federer had nothing to do this evening. Nadal service has worked well, his BH was unbelievable. Roger fought off many times showing a big heart but it was simply not enough.

Let’s see whats on the menu with Stan. He has more firepower, expecially on BH side. He maybe have a chance.


Eric W. Says:

@Humble Rafa: not only is 17 within reach, it could happen by September. Much as it pains me to say it…


courbon Says:

@ Eric W.-A little bit too optimistimic?


skeezer Says:

Congrats to Rafa, played another typical win against Fed. Wish him the best in the finals but hope Stan and Rafa give the crowd a fun watchable match.
Likin the way Fed is progressing, hope he gets another shot at Rafa this year.
Is good to see the vamosheads finally out in force. There was a noticable silence the day before the match. Why?
#scareTcats


Polo Says:

@Eric W: A calendar year Grand Slam for Nadal: very optimistic indeed…but realistic at the same time. That would drive Federer into therapy, if it happens. He has won the rest of the majors before, all of them more than once, so why wouldn’t it be possible?


madmax Says:

gonzalowski Says:
Purcell, two things:
Back issues with Roger? No excuses, thank you.

Disrespectful behavior from Rafa and his team? LOL, you should learn to lose, my friend. Disrespectful is whining about nonsenses like Federer has done today… uncharacteristic from a tennis legend like the ones you mention

January 24th, 2014 at 9:21 am

gonza and Giles. Wholly unfair on Purcell. Many times Rafa has complained about his opponent. Many, but am not going to stoop to the ridiculous level of posting youtube clips with him arguing, or pushing, because it is sport. The way it is when two athletes are caught up in the moment of passion, of insanity almost, that will to win, takes over.

For the most part, Federer remains the right up there and displays fair play and we all know that.

We have, as tennis fans, endured and enjoyed Rafa’s exploits on the court, both playing fairly and not so, with elongated ball bounces between points and MTO’s. It is there, plain for all to see. Of course Rafa fans are not going to admit that. Hell No. It doesn’t exist for you. But we can see it, and so can you. It is just “politely ignored” when he wins. I understand that. Not only that, more than once he has been caught being coached by Uncle T. This should have been noted many more times, but for some inexplicable reason, Rafa gets away with it. We all know it, including Rafa fans. But, it is what it is.

Roger, is a wholly different animal. Not perfect by far, but so much more restrained on court and saves that precious time, getting on with the game. No time waster, no MTO’s, no retirements. Just gets on with the action. Bravo Roger.

I fully expect Rafa to exceed the 17 Slams Roger has. Records are made to be broken. And it could quite likely happen this year. 14 sunday. And just say he wins all 4. At last then 17 each. Equal, but really on lots of levels, Rafa could be called the GOAT. I can accept that.

There will still be many records of Roger’s that will remain untouchable, the streaks, etc. Not going to bother posting all that again, over and over. We all know it inside out.

And you know? Rafa will have worked hard to earn that, should he make it.

I am more at peace with this, as the last 12 months have sadly ebbed away, the first 8, horrendous for Fed (by his standards), but the last 4 for Fed. Wow. Just incredibly proud of him. He is still there. Still in the mix. But, alas, he cannot beat Rafa. I can deal with that.

Doesn’t take away his greatness. I hope that he takes pride in his career, and his matches and continues to do so.

Federer is still an absolute joy to watch.

Now, I will watch the highlights at peace. Knowing that if I had watched the game from start to finish,I would have been in complete turmoil.

Still a rivalry: competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field, but we kind of know what the result will be.

14 slams to 17 is mightily close already and he could do it. Then Rafa will be the GOAT, deservedly so in terms of slams.

No problem with that. Roger will still remain the second best GOAT of all time, should Rafa surpass him, and that, is still, a great stat to have.


mrmilbury Says:

Amen.


madmax Says:

Anna Says:
Purcell – Nobody believes the garbage you spew. Tiresome, tiresome rhetoric. You honestly sound like a bitter old shrew.

January 24th, 2014 at 9:36 am

Actually Anna, he doesn’t – it was a very fair minded and well written post.

The tiresome, rhetoric comes from you. It is you who honstly sound like a bitter old shrew, with bells on top at that.

You have nothing nice to say about anyone. You should head over to TT, that’s where all the hags hang out. Oh I forgot. It’s dead.


WTF Says:

“The only one who can challenge Nadal is Nole, but until he clears out the cobwebs and regains his confidence, we may be in for a calendar year Grand Slam from the Spaniard.”

Or he could you know.. hire a coach who was a 6 time GS winner like himself.


Brando Says:

Calendar Slam for Rafa? LMFAO- let’s not jump to conclusions non- Rafa fans! He faces a tough task v player of tourney Wawrinka on Sunday- as a fan that’s a scary challenge seeing how Wawa played v AO King Novak. The guy beat Novak at the AO and that too in a 5 setter that makes him: 1- a player with real mental strength 2- a genuine top level, big match player. So Rafa and his fans will not look beyond Sunday since Wawa is a real challenge. CYGS? Until it happens I do not see ANYONE doing it. No pessimism, downplaying of chances or anything like. Barring Laver NO ONE has done it and that’s for a reason: it’s close to asking the impossible to pull off. Laver did it at a time when compared to now Tennis was a entirely different sport altogether. Even Rafa said so himself last year: it won’t happen since there is too much competition, different surfaces and things can change. Long story short: people are way, way over reacting to Rafa beating Fed here IMO.


WTF Says:

mrmilbury Says:

“As a tennis player, there is nothing worse than your opponent grunting, feasting, screaming and yelling every damned point.”

If you can’t handle what your opponent does between points, including gamesmanship when it’s deliberate to put you off, then you lack mental toughness and are unworthy of being called a champion. If you are (or were) #1 in the world, you should be able to handle this stuff.

If it bothers you, you are frail mentally and are not ready for prime time.


WTF Says:

Brando Says:

“He faces a tough task v player of tourney Wawrinka on Sunday”

Yes but I would argue that Wrinka faces an even tougher task since he’s never taken a set from Rafa before.


Slice Tennis Says:

5 years back Federer left the AO with tears after missing to win his 14th slam.

Now Rafa is on the verge of getting his 14th slam here.


mrmilbury Says:

WTF Says:

I was just talking of me, not of Roger Federer. He can handle anything (except Nadal’s forehand, maybe) but if asked, he can be honest.


WTF Says:

“The guy beat Novak at the AO and that too in a 5 setter that makes him: 1- a player with real mental strength”

Yeah but he also lost to Novak twice last year in 5 sets. Does that make him mentally weak then?

Rafa will have a tough task, but so will Stan, so I don’t see how this is a point against Rafa. Rafa has the experience of 19 finals. This will be Stan’s first. He will likely be nervous, and he goes in knowing that he’s never been able to beat Rafa before. He will have a lot to think about. Much will be on his mind and it might overwhelm him.

I’ll give you than Stan is mentally tough. But so is Rafa. In 19 finals, he has lost 5 times, and none of those losses can be put down to chokes. The only painful loss was the 2007 Wimbledon to Fed, but he inflicted an even more painful loss back on Roger the year after.

Also, beating Nole (for the first time in 15 attempts since 2006) does not make him favorite to beat Rafa. They have different styles. Rivalries can be like rock paper scissors. It doesn’t even make him favorite to beat Novak the next time they meet.


Humble Rafa Says:

There was a noticable silence the day before the match. Why?

Dear Arrotard,

Let me explain. Since I was so confident of winning, I was doing other things. Everyone, including people with small brains who live with cats, should know I don’t stress over the “rivalry”.

It’s easy cake. It’s a walk in the park.


Brando Says:

@Madmax: Great, great post from Fed’s most ardent, genuine supporter. No one know the future, but we know the present: Fed is GOAT. Period. Until something occurs to suggest otherwise, that really is not a matter of debate. I think genuine fans such as yourself are just enjoying his game, his talent and rightfully not bothering with the GOAT nonsense. The best way I can put it is: IF Rafa reached 36 slams, would that make me appreciate his Tennis, think of more greatly, love his game than when he was on 9? Absolutely not. Sure maybe he’d be called trivial things such as GOAT but all in all: my appreciation for his game would remain as it was when he was on a lesser number since it was his game not success that I enjoy, love. Fed or Rafa- records are there to be broken. But to play the game in a special, unique way that numerous millions around the world appreciate and love only a few really can pull it off: BOTH of these 2 do on that front!


Polo Says:

How scary is Wawrinka to Nadal?

Well, WTF gave us some insight about that.


Slice Tennis Says:

This CYGS talk is a bit too much. As far I remember every year in the last decade except 2008 this is predicted for the one who wins the AO.
What happens next ?
The AO winner invariably fails at FO. This has even happened to the champion of champions at FO.
CYGS is simply out of reach for anyone in this strong era. Even the great Federer could not do it even in the weak era.


WTF Says:

mrmilbury Says:

“I was just talking of me, not of Roger Federer. He can handle anything (except Nadal’s forehand, maybe) but if asked, he can be honest.”

Well good thing Roger isn’t you then.

I’m sure it bothered him more than he let on. He’s too classy to admit it though. I get a feeling the two are not all that close, in spite of what they do in the media together. Murray never complains about Rafa taking forever between points. He even says, if it helps him play better he supports him taking longer. But those two are actual friends. They play Playstation and text each other a lot.

You wouldn’t complain to an umpire against someone you like, or root for the other guy to beat him in the next round.

Rafa actually roots for Roger when he plays someone else.

It says a lot about their relationship with one another. I think if the record was 23-10 in Fed’s favor, he probably wouldn’t make a big deal out of it.


Polo Says:

I may sound like a turncoat but this question in my head bugs me: How can a GOAT allow somebody else to win 13 going on 14 slams during his time? And six of those were over him while he got only two in return?


WTF Says:

Polo Says:

“How scary is Wawrinka to Nadal?

Well, WTF gave us some insight about that.”

Scary enough not to be written off. But he says that about every opponent, so it’s hard to tell when he is being sincere or not. You know that rot about “if I’m not playing at my very best I’m going to lose to him for sure”.

I don’t think he’s scary enough to keep him up at night however. If anyone’s going to lose sleep it will be Stan because it is his first GS final, and the biggest match of his career thus far. He will have a lot on his mind tactically about what he needs to do to beat Rafa, whereas Rafa can go into it relaxed knowing that he has a good record and in the past has known what to do to get things done against Stan.

That’s a big advantage. Unless Stan does something completely unexpected, uses tactics completely unforeseen, Rafa is not going to be too worried.

The way I see it though, Roger has had a tough time against Rafa because of the heavy forehand to the single handed backhand was annoying. Stan will face the same problem.


madmax Says:

Slice Tennis Says:
5 years back Federer left the AO with tears after missing to win his 14th slam.

Now Rafa is on the verge of getting his 14th slam here.

January 24th, 2014 at 11:27 am

Yes ST, this is true. Good job Fed got the 3 more slams than Rafa, in the strongest era ever, you know, when Rafa was playiing, Novak was playing and Murray playing – can’t be any argument with that, eh? He is certainly on the verge, if not, “in the bag”.

If he wins, he will so have deserved it. What a fighter he is.


Slice Tennis Says:

“The only painful loss was the 2007 Wimbledon to Fed”

Another painful loss was AO 2012, but that was more painful for his fans than him.


WTF Says:

Polo Says:

“I may sound like a turncoat but this question in my head bugs me: How can a GOAT allow somebody else to win 13 going on 14 slams during his time? And six of those were over him while he got only two in return?”

This GOAT had a tougher competitor than any other contender did during their time. You can’t win them all. When you don’t, they either go mostly to one guy, or they get spread out evenly to a number of guys. In Fed’s case, he had a tougher nemesis than Pete, so said nemesis naturally took more of the spoils he left on the table.

Being an absolute master of clay naturally almost guarantees one slam a year. Agassi and other rivals of Pete did not have a surface they were that peerless on. I would argue that Rafa is better on clay than Pete or Roger is on grass.


Patson Says:

I totally mispredicted. Not the first time though.


M Says:

@HC – “Also was it my imagination,but in that 1st set i thoght Roger was also grunting anyway,unless im mistaken,hmm just saying??”

He does do that. It happens most frequently on second serve.

A lot of Fed fans who complain about Rafa making noise don’t like to notice it, though.

I also find it a touch ironic for Roger to mention that Rafa doesn’t do it consistently when he, Roger, doesn’t *always* do it on his second serve either. He only does it sometimes.

*sigh*

#allez
#vamos
#FEDALforever


M Says:

Anybody else feeling smiley that Pistol Pete had such nice things to say? :-)


WTF Says:

mrmilbury Says:

“I was just talking of me, not of Roger Federer.”

Your quote was “As a tennis player, there is nothing worse than your opponent grunting, feasting, screaming and yelling every damned point.” so I will have to dispute whether you really were talking of yourself and not of Roger.

Also there are worse things an opponent can do than grunting. Such as outplaying you? Destroying you?


Slice Tennis Says:

Stan cannot take any confidence from his 5 set win over Nole while facing Rafa.

When he went against Nole he knew that he has dragged him to 5 longs sets and very close to beating him twice before. But does he have to bank on against Rafa.
0-27 in sets played. All bets are off.

But he will definitely play better than Federer did today.


madmax Says:

Polo Says:
I may sound like a turncoat but this question in my head bugs me: How can a GOAT allow somebody else to win 13 going on 14 slams during his time? And six of those were over him while he got only two in return?

January 24th, 2014 at 11:34 am

Polo, it’s a valid question. Only Fed knows that. It isn’t as if he doesn’t have the shots or the talent, tons of it. Nadal is in his head. What to do to get him out of his head? This is the neverending question. Sports Psyche. Sports Psyche. It has happened too many times now.


Teeg Says:

@Slice Tennis

Although Stan hasn’t won any sets against Rafa, he does play him mighty close. I think last year they played in the tour finals (correct me if I’m wrong) or sometime last fall, and Stan actually served for the set, and had set points, but lost 7-6 7-6.

He has more confidence now so I expect an all out aggressive play from him.


WTF Says:

Slice Tennis Says:

“Another painful loss was AO 2012, but that was more painful for his fans than him.”

Actually you’re right. I missed that one. That was painful to him, physically as well. He wasn’t as fit physically as Djoker (which I would never have said 5 years ago), and he tired more than Djoker, even though he had an easy SF with 2 days rest, while Djoker had a 5 setter with one day rest.

It ended up being the longest match in AO history, beating the former record which he was also in.


Slice Tennis Says:

Polo Says:
“That would drive Federer into therapy”

I would say Federer fans. LOL


Teeg Says:

What was so painful about that AO 2012 loss was the fact that Rafa was up 4-2, 30-15 in the final set and still lost. I literally was sick to my stomach after that loss. But like Rafa always does, he bounced back. And beat Novak in the same manner at last year’s FO.


Slice Tennis Says:

WTF,
After that AO 2012 loss it looked gloomy for his fans. But he appeared very positive in his post match interview and presser. I thought he also became deluded like Federer.


Slice Tennis Says:

“Nadal is in his head. What to do to get him out of his head? This is the neverending question. Sports Psyche. Sports Psyche.”

Madman,
The solution was simple and nothing to do with sports psyche. He should have just gone back and worked on his skills and strategies and became a player just like Rafa did after his 7-0 mess against Nole.


Slice Tennis Says:

“I think last year they played in the tour finals (correct me if I’m wrong) or sometime last fall, and Stan actually served for the set, and had set points, but lost 7-6 7-6″

You are right Teeg. That was a close match. But most players trouble Rafa during the fall and in indoors. Do you remember the Madrid finals, it was a blow out.


Patson Says:

@Teeg

I feel the same way for Novak about French Open 2013 Semi-final. Props to your man for his semi-final victory.


hawkeye Says:

Daniel Says:
“A men’s legacy is evaluate how he handle tuff times as well. Will see.”

I think we already saw in 2013 after 7 months out and everybody writing him off for sure, no?


SG1 Says:

I don’t think the final is a slam dunk for Rafa. Stan has waited a long time for his shot at a slam. I doubt he’ll be happy with a runner up finish. While I, like most others, believe this is now Rafa’s tournament to lose, I think the final will be a knockdown, drag out fight to the finish. I think that these two are physically strongest players on tour and I don’t expect Stan to have as many problems with the high backhand as Federer. This should be a great final!


Slice Tennis Says:

“There was a noticable silence the day before the match. Why?
#scareTcats”

Yeah right. Rafa fans were very much worried about Federer who beat the headcase Tsonga and Murray who was hardly playing decent tennis after an injury layoff.
LMAO.

To be honest I was more worried about baby fed than the papa fed.


gonzalowski Says:

madmax: Rafa complainig about some rival to the judge? can’t remember…
“…elongated ball bounces between points and MTO’s…”, I think there’s no gamesmanship in that (if the MTOs are for a reason).
And the coaching maybe exist sometimes… is this disrespectful behavior? well men, IMO these are trifles, to complain about!

As WTF says, itt shows that a player lacks mental toughness


Eric W. Says:

@courbon: I think I’m more realistic than optimistic. Consider the finals on Sunday, where Stan (or anyone with a one-handed backhand) will be worked over mercilessly with that heavy topspin forehand until the white flag is raised. He might take his first set lifetime off Rafa, but three out of five? No. Then comes the French Open, which needs no comment. At Wimbledon, he is as good a grass court player as Murray, and better than Nole who moves poorly on grass. Federer may have a chance, but an ever so remote one. Then comes the US Open, where if Nadal comes in with the previous GS titles in hand, nobody will have the mental strength to stop him. Much as I hate his gamesmanship, boorish adjustment of underpants, plodding, unstylish game and fake humility, the man has the strongest mental game in the history of tennis. If he stays healthy, it’s going to happen.
P.S.: @Purcell, don’t let the critics get to you. You speak the truth, and any fair minded person knows it.


Teeg Says:

@Slice Tennis

You’re right, that was indoors, ultimately Rafa’s worst surface and he still managed to beat an ultra aggressive Wawrinka. Outdoors is his specialty.


Susan Says:

@Eric W. you are right. It seems possible and maybe probable. I agree with you and madmax about Purcell too. He or she should keep posting and saying the truth.


gonzalowski Says:

Eric W. you are telling a lot of stupidities about Nadal, and I’m including the possibility of Calendar Slam !


skeezer Says:

““There was a noticable silence the day before the match. Why?
#scareTcats”

Yeah right. Rafa fans were very much worried about Federer who beat the headcase Tsonga and Murray who was hardly playing decent tennis after an injury layoff.
LMAO.

To be honest I was more worried about baby fed than the papa fed.”

Why should anyone believe that comment? Fact is, this site was a ghost town of vamosheads just before the match, except for giles whining about “blisters” and such. Sounded scared to me, lol.
Too bad you can’t backup the reason while u all were gone. If you posted before the match, you would have had SOME credibility.

Moving on, no sour grapes here, already did my congrats and such. Just hope the final will be a better match.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

The final should be very interesting. Stan is too good a player that he wont beat nadal one day. If it will be on sunday remains to be seen. Pressure can do funny little things. Wawrinka is playing inspired tennis and every chance that he could pull off an upsetl


Okiegal Says:

Shocked about Roger’ s grunting complaint. Not against the rules……moot point. Time violation is in the hands of the umpire. Roger admitted that Rafa was getting better about that. Gamesmanship isn’t against the rules either. Roger admitted that once in a match the sun was an issue on court, he took a bathroom break intentionally so the sun would be in a different position when he got back on court and guess what?? It was. Regarding coaching Grigor got signals from Rasheed during the Rafa match, not one thing said. All players are guilty of one of these issues and some guilty of all of them.

All in all, Roger’ s presser sounded a little sour grapey to me. Let’s face it folks, the southpaw is just better than Roger, and Roger knows it.

I hope for a good final between Stan and Rafa. Hope Rafa wins, but I’m sure it will be after a long battle. Stan is match tough tight now.

VAMOS RAFA!!


Humble Rafa Says:

I want to be on par with Rod Laver. That would only be fair.


Eric W. Says:

@gonzalowski, that is your opinion, which is allowed. Just as my opinions are allowed. No need for hostility, just bookmark my post and review in September, please.


madmax Says:

Slice Tennis Says:
“Nadal is in his head. What to do to get him out of his head? This is the neverending question. Sports Psyche. Sports Psyche.”

Madman,
The solution was simple and nothing to do with sports psyche. He should have just gone back and worked on his skills and strategies and became a player just like Rafa did after his 7-0 mess against Nole.

January 24th, 2014 at 12:05 pm

Slice Tennis, i am actually going to have abit of fun with you. I think you are so “into” fed. In fact, I have counted your posts, you bash fed more than you praise Rafa. What does that say about you.

You are no fan. Prett much a disgrace to have on any forum TBQH. You know nothing about tennis except to slither on the floor and come up with tiresome (thanks for the word Anna), and repetitive sentences. I pity the person who ends up with you.

What a listless life they will have.


Okiegal Says:

No since in posting unnecessary stuff about a match before it’s played. What’s there to say?? Why brag about your favorite when you don’t know what the outcome will be?? I’m doing bragging now that is over. VAMOS RAFA great match and try to keep the grunting quieter, it was bothersome to your opponent. I still can’t believe Roger brought that up after all the matches he and Rafa have played….just saying!!

Vamos Rafa, bring the heat Sunday! Stan is playing well so bring your A-game and git r done!!


mry Says:

definitely…a person with psychological disorder can get 14 slama and can be GOAT…who is going to consider….And people who complain about Roger…are not human beings at all…


madmax Says:

It;s a fair point I make, and many fans have made about Roger. There simply is no getting away from the fact that Rafa, for whatever reason, just sits on all his mental faculties and he becomes distorted at moments. I think he needs to have a serious conversation with Novak. Find out a bit more before it’s too late.

Still, I guess with Fed, he has so many records that he can still praise himself as a 32 year old, playing some absolutely great tennis. He just can’t sustain it in the pivotal moments.

Nought to be ashamed of I would rather Fed lose than not play at all, and I would rather see an idiot like you, eat your words when he does beat him, because he will, if only once more. It will happen. Blind faith that may be, provided he sorts out the head.

His game is a very poor match up to Rafa’s, I haven’t wanted the highlights yet, but tomorrow, I will. And you Slice tennis. I will count the many more very imaginable, predictable, worthless posts from you. I guess you must be bored/tired/both.


Slice Tennis Says:

Madmax and Skeeze,
GET WELL SOON
LMAO


Slice Tennis Says:

“I think he needs to have a serious conversation with Novak.”

Are you mad ?
LOL

Not much of difference there.
Both Nole and Fed have faced Rafa 11 times in GSs and their record is 3-8 and 2-9 respectively.
Nobody has beaten and can beat Rafa consistently.
Your misery will continue forever.


pitchaboy Says:

Fed vs. Nadal:
Raw talent: Wash
perseverance: Nadal by a distance
Consistency: Fed by a little
Offense: Fed by a little
Defense: Nadal by a distance
Mental strength: Nadal by a distance
Grass: Fed by a distance
Hard court: Barely Fed
Clay: Nadal by a distance
Head to head: Nadal by a distance
Accessories: Nadal (Olympics and Davis Cup)
Number of slams: Fed, although shrinking.

If you put it all together, they are equal in GOATness or Rafa is a marginal GOAT if he prevails Sunday. If he equals or beats Fed in total slams, he will be undisputed GOAT, IMO.


the DA Says:

On another note. Monday will see quite a shake-up in the rankings if Nadal wins the title. Wawa goes up to 6, Fed stays at 8, Murray slips down to 6.

The most remarkable shift: Del Potro will rise to a career high of No. 3. Not bad for being a second-round loser at the last two majors.

Every now and then the rankings can be quite amusing. The ext couple of Masters will have some very interesting draws. hehe


Okiegal Says:

Here in the US they’re showing the match again. I’m watching it stress free……and this Rafa cat is amazing. His groundstrokes are working great today
He’s not winning every point but seems like his winners are coming at the most important times. Keep it going against Stan the man!!

Vamos Rafa!!


Okiegal Says:

In the famous words of the SKEEZ……there’s a lot of pots calling the kettle black on TX today,!

I get amused at posters nit picking everything Rafa says in interviews. It’s like my fav can’t beat him so I will compensate for that with harsh words. This amazing athlete can’t win for losing……..oops, excuse me, he isn’t losing and therein lies the problem!!

VSMOS RAFA!!


Giles Says:

http://tennis.si.com/2014/01/24/roger-federer-rafael-nadal-australian-open-reaction/?
Must read!
Greg Couch FoxSports.com says:
“Nadal, not Federer is the greatest player of all time”


Polo Says:

the DA, you have two guys as 6. One more second round loss in a majors by del Potro and he will be number one! Hahaha!


gonzalowski Says:

Thanks for the article Giles


the DA Says:

Oops, I meant Wawa goes up to 5. #meaculpa


Eric Says:

I’m glad to see Rafa was able to overcome the enormous handicap of the great blister of 2014.

Congrats to Rafa and all his fans on this wholly unsurprising result.


Ajet Says:

as much as i effin hate to say this, but i effin have to say this:RAFA IS THE GREATEST until FED CAN STOP HIM(and the only way to do that is to win slams, no matter how!)! And anyway, its darth sure now that Rafa Nadal Will SURELY surpass Roger Federer in GS tally and will be regarded as the undisputed greatest ever.

Tough as hell for this most loyal fedfan to acknowledge it, but i still, with a lot of pain, admit that nadal is better than federer as a champion even though fed may be the more complete tennis player. Rafa is Greatest Ever However…

Last but not the least CONGRATS AND HI TO MY FRIENDS Brando and Alison… :D your man rafael nadal is the greatest girls, even better than my dearest roger federer. :(


Ajet Says:

i badly will always lament that devastating RG 08 loss to rafa of fed. fed never recovered ever from that. fed’s fate was sealed then and there. there won’t be as coomplete a player as fed, but nadal still can destroy this legendary federer antime and anywhere. sigh… :(((


Ajet Says:

fed may be everything against everybody but somehow he turns into a nothing when facing rafa. sad… :(((


Ajet Says:

its a fact that as a fedfan am disheartened and devastated by such ruthless dominance of rafa over fed. and as a matter of fact, that day is not far when rafa will surpass fed in slam tally and will be proclaimed as undisputed GOAT and i will stop watching tennis forever… will miss federer when he hangs up his boots(hopefully not very soon though). WISH FED MORE SLAM VICTORIES, yeah BEING WISHFUL IS THE ONLY WAY NOW…


Ajet Says:

hopfully grigor dimitrov will carry on classy tennis playing from federer and go on to achieve greatness…


Humble Rafa Says:

At least temporarily, it appears that the Arrotards see the writing on the wall. In my opinion, that’s a good sign.

PS: I know, the clowns will be out in full force, making him the “favorite” for the French Open because that’s how the Arrotards roll.


Anna Says:

@ Okiegal – Thankfully reason and humor prevail in your posts. The sad thing here is that the closer Rafa gets to #17 slams, the uglier the accusations will get from Fed fans, although really, what else can be thrown at him? You have to wonder if it wouldn’t just be better to pass on the posting than deal with the crazies.


Fg Says:

I was at RLA last night to watch Rafa vs Roger. Rafa was playing very well.

I was quit irratated by Rafa taking time between points and games. Expecially Rafa played in Uncle Toni side where left side from umpire chair, he walked slower.

Most of time Roger was in the court and Rafa still sit in the bench after Umpire called ‘Time’.


didi Says:

I will consider Rafa the GOAT when he equals Fed on year end championships, GS wins, weeks of number one. I Rafa cheats constantly and gets away with it and it is sickening how the media just hype him up… honestly watching a grown man pick his ass before every serve is sickening and pathetic. For years everyone figured out to beat Roger and he dominated like no one else. Has Rafa had 3 years where he only lost 15 matches?


Purcell Says:

Madmax and Susan………thank you and well done MM for being so reasonable in the face of the constant barrage of adverse comments from the usual suspects. Forgive me for what comes next…..dun,dun,dun……….
Anna and Giles: fell for it didn’t you. if you are going to put a case, you need to quit the rhyming language….spew, shrew, and inflammatory terms, bitter and Rafa hater and put your……erm…..vocabulary to better use. This is the first time I’ve commented about Nadal negatively and I don’t know whether I’ll do it again because it’s put you poor dears in a tizzy. Watch this space though. Oh and I assure you I would have expressed exactly the same views had Roger won.


Polo Says:

The criteria for GOAT continues to evolve.


Okiegal Says:

@Anna

I totally get where you are coming from. Sometimes I just feel the need to get a little spunky and take up for my guy in subtle ways! He gets so much flack it’s hard to shut my fingers. LOL Thanks for the response, at least somebody appreciated my humor. I can go toe to toe with the best of them, but sometimes it’s not worth the effort. Guess I will watch the Thunder BBC game they are playing the Celtics.

Vamos Rafa and Oklahoma Thunder!!


Jack Lewis Says:

The thing is that whole GOAT thing is obviously an attempt to justify with fake objectivity what people personally prefer. As a young kid I preferred Agassi to Sampras and Borg to McEnroe, later when I knew more about the sport I appreciated Sampras and McEnroe way more. You either prefer a single handed back hand or a two hander, defensive vs offensive tennis. You don’t mind constant grunting of not. I personally can’t watch a match with Sharapova or Azrenka without muting the audio. Serena Williams once had a point taken from her against Stostur for shouting in a manner that Sharapova can sustain for a whole match. It is still pretty amazing how far people will go to argue that their personal preferences should be the rule.


simba Says:

Nadal did not need to be a GOAT. He already owns a GOAT. He is kicking a GOAT like his puppy. It’s hard to argue against 23-10, any surface, any tournament, anywhere in the world.


Humble Rafa Says:

He already owns a GOAT

Thank you. So many people in this forum refuse to acknowledge this fact despite enormous evidence, including the recent spanking.


skeezer Says:

“The criteria for GOAT continues to evolve.”
For generations, the criteria has been “he with the most Slams.” whilst years @1 is a factor also. In the end, imo that will still be the major determing factor. Slams are the World Cup, the Superbowl of Tennis.
There’s no doubt Rafa is getting closer, assuming he wins AO.


simba Says:

GOAT is a matter of opinions. It came into prominence because Fed worshippers tried to hoist it on the public based on his GS titles. It was so cheesy when Fed put on that jacket after winning Wimb for his 14th or 15th GS.

When Sampras got this 13th or 14th, nobody talked about unanimous GOAT, with a large majority going for Rod Laver. Why did Federer become a “unanimous” GOAT, all of a sudden?

Because Fed fans are a fanatic bunch. They threw this term around loosely, thinking that Nadal would be crippled playing his brand of tennis by now and their hero should have nothing to worry about. As it happens, Nadal is close to achieving a 2nd career GS and would overtake Federer before Fed hang up his racquet. Memo to Fed fans, your Slam agruments now boomerangs against you.


WTF Says:

didi Says:

“I will consider Rafa the GOAT when he equals Fed on year end championships, GS wins, weeks of number one. I Rafa cheats constantly and gets away with it and it is sickening how the media just hype him up… honestly watching a grown man pick his ass before every serve is sickening and pathetic. For years everyone figured out to beat Roger and he dominated like no one else. Has Rafa had 3 years where he only lost 15 matches?”

So hypothetically if Rafa ended his career with 25 or 30 GS titles, but never wins the WTF, or equals Roger’s weeks at #1, or has a 3 year period of losing only 15 matches, you still would not consider him GOAT over Roger?

Can you give me an explicit criteria on how you define GOAT and what any player of any era must achieve in order to gain that status?


skeezer Says:

“GOAT is a matter of opinions”
But then u go on to Fed worshipping sh!t?
If your looking for comments and opinions from authorities in the game the past decades about GOAT they are there. You just need to take the time to read, and read them all. A poster opinion? Pffft!


Lesego Says:

Don’t wana diminish any of Rafa’s achievements but there will always be an asterix to his slam count.

*More than half his slams come from one major.


Joe W Says:

Was just wondering if any of the ATP points ranking experts foresee any changes in rankings? Some of the top guys did go out early.


Joe W Says:

Fed is definitely moving better than last year. The larger racket seems to suit him. I think that Edberg has the gravitas to bend Fed’s ear. These are some positives to take away from his match.

He should have a productive 2014 barring any injury or a match with Rafa. Can’t wait to see Fed and Novak play on h/c this year. That will be a litmus test of sorts.


Joe W Says:

The GOAT debate rages on. Rafa earns the title if he wins 18 Slams? I am a big Sampras fan as well as Fed fan. Even though Fed has more GS titles and a few other records than Pete has, I don’t necessarily consider him a better player than Pete. He’s arguably a more accomplished player than Pete. I think Rafa will eventually surpass Fed in GS titles, already has a commanding head-to-head, but to me he’ll never be a better player than Pete or Roger. But that’s my opinion.


Michael Says:

Alison @ 8.59 am,

I take your point. What amazes me is that all these years, Roger didn’t have any problem with Rafa’s grunting. Ofcourse, he was complaining often about the extra time he takes between points but never I saw him concerned about Rafa’s grunting. But yesterday, he did that. May be the manner in which he was outplayed perturbed Roger to a great extent. The crowd was expecting much from him and he also got positive Press which hoped that atlast they saw a ray of hope with Roger finally getting the better of Rafa. Although, I too was not that much confident, yet after watching his magical performance against Tsonga and Andy, I thought Roger was upto the challenge and will take it on to Rafa. I expected the match to be much closer than it was. But, I was disturbed by the manner Roger was outplayed from the back of the court. 80% of the points were won by Rafa when rallies were extended to over 9 shots. Roger was passed time and again he came to the net with Rafa finding those incredible angles to pass him. This may be unnerved Roger to a great extent and he may be vent out his frustration through that complaint. But, still I maintain it is within his right to make that complaint and it is upto the Umpire to consider it. In my opinion, Roger could have been more generous towards Rafa with the mutual respect these two legends have towards each other.


skeezer Says:

Silence of the Lambs. Again the vamosheads do the Ostrich thing before a match, only to come out trash talking after a win. and if they lose? Ghosttown in vamoshead land. Not a Tennis fan at all, just a groupie.
#chicken
#scaredofwawa
#scareTcats
#FedGOAT


Hippy Chic Says:

Ajet @6.15pm thanks for the heads up about Rafa,and take heart that Roger actually played a great fortnight matches against JWT and Andy should give him alot of confidence to build for the year and tournies ahead,if your confused about my monikor i changed it as it really fits what im about in the real world,but most still refer to me as Alison in their posts anyway,and i must say long time no see,but its fantastic to see you posting again,youve made my day :-D..


Giles Says:

Thankfullly there is no rule against grunting!!
Fed is grunting as well. He has never ever complained about Rafa’s grunting in all of their previous meetings. Why now?
I am so glad Jake Garner put him in his place.
#CryBaby


madmax Says:

the DA Says:
On another note. Monday will see quite a shake-up in the rankings if Nadal wins the title. Wawa goes up to 6, Fed stays at 8, Murray slips down to 6.

the DA, I dont understand your maths here. Roger sits already at no. 6, you say he is at no. 8 and then there will be two at no. 6?

Don’t worry. I will check them out myself. But thanksfor trying.

Whatever, for fed to be in the top 10 for 11 years now, the consistency is beyond the clouds.

Like you say, unlikely he will never be no. 1 again, but who cares, been there, done that, and twice. With most weeks at number 1. 302 weeks. This year is a crunch for him. Have hopes for him to win wimbledon, one last time. No reason for that not to happen.


the DA Says:

@madmax – it was an error for Wawa. He would go up to No 5. Murray slips to No 6.


gonzalowski Says:

But Joe W, Sampras wasn’t able to win RG, it’s not relevant this to you?
Grand slams are not the only thing IMO, we still talk about Laver as Goat… but well, maybe Laver himself considers Fed better player than him? I suppose overall level of players has increased anyway.


gonzalowski Says:

He was too clay-intolerant (although he won Rome)


courbon Says:

@ Eric W: Off course is possible that Rafa wins Calendar Slam.I know he can play on grass but also he did done badly last two Wimbledons…regarding Novak that moves poorly on the grass-well he was in the final last year, Nadal wasn’t.If you look last 3 Wimbledons, Novak was way better then Rafa but Rafa had injury one year so is hard to tell and compare them.As you are very optimistic about Rafa this year and I have to be optimistic that Novak return to top mental form.Also, things change, players change and improve-specially those two warriors.Well, I guess we will see in September.


Daniel Says:

hawkeye,

I mean when he is in declining, when he stays 5-7 Slams without winning. Or like Fed got a Spam between RG 11′ and Wimby 12′ with no final. Or like now where he is 6 Slams played after Wimby 12′ with no final.
Rafa was injured (needed tine out, whatever) in end 12′ beggining 13′. I wanto to see how he will begave in hos later years. Right now he is in the peqk of his form. Eve returning from injury the knee never bother him again as in the past. He is playing 4 straight Slam, let’s see how manu more can he play straight.


tennisbro Says:

IMHO not enough changes in Rogers game – he does make some great shots but not consistently or fast enough – he likes a slower match – however Rafa can think on his feet faster and continuously make tough angle shots when he needs to. Wish Roger could/would make a powerful straight down-the line shot more often – fast and powerful and unexpected. Wish Roger didn’t make so many bad net shots. Wish Roger wouldn’t make so many pingpong shots directly to Rafa before he makes his move to the corners. He’s been doing these things for years now and for a different result these bad habits need to change.


Hippy Chic Says:

Ajet although the GOAT debate is quite interesting,its not an area of tennis that really bothers me that much,IMO its much more intersting to talk about many greats rather than just one GOAT,and as a Rafa fan im not that concerned about it either,i would just say though that Rafa even if he equals Roger still would fall short regarding weeks at world number 1 and WTFs which Rafa hasnt won one/yet?and Roger also has superior numbers at 3 of the 4 GS,Rafa has multiple GS now on all surfaces,does this all matter,i suppose its all purely subjective..


A Tango Lad Says:

Yes exactly Hippy Chic purely subjective. Just like Nadal has not won WTF, Roger sadly has not achieved Olympic Gold nor Davis Cup success. Nadal is about to achieve the double career slam

Each great has their own respective achievements that the other may not. We can all find chinks in our personal favourite’s career legacy or conversely choose to minimize.

Pure subjective opinion.

For me, it’s been Roger for so long but I am no longer so sure.


Hippy Chic Says:

A Tango Lad i think Roger and Rafa have been amazing for the sport of tennis,and the game has been all the better for them both,and it will be really sad for the sport when they have gone,thats why i dont belittle one in favour of the other,be a fan of one or the other but respect both their achievements,and leave it at that,IMO my two cents.


Tootie Says:

I know something bigger than Federer’s new racquet—his inflated ego.


Joe W Says:

Gonzalowski, I agree with you that Pete’s record on clay is not very impressive. My point is simply this. If your life depended on it, who would your fantasy pick be at Wimbledon? Pete or Fed ( in their prime of course). I would take Nadal at RG every time. AO or US Open? Fed, Pete, Novak? I think discussing GOAT is like discussing religion.


Tootie Says:

You and Djokovic?! Wake up, Buddy. He has years to go of being on top, you don’t. Have you noticed your ranking> You are No. 8.

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