Nadal Suffers Early Knock Out; Federer v Djokovic Saturday; Monte Carlo SFs Picks And Pans
by Sean Randall | April 18th, 2014, 6:32 pm
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After five relatively calm, uneventful days at our first big clay test of the season, the Monte Carlo Tennis Masters was thrust into absolute chaos on Friday. The highlight of course was reigning King of Clay and 8-time champion Rafael Nadal’s shocking loss to 32-year-old David Ferrer in no less than two sets.

Behind a bounty of errors (41 all told) from Rafa, Ferrer knocked down Nadal 7-6, 6-4 to end a 17-match losing streak to his countryman on the dirt.

“Losing hurts everywhere. On clay always a little bit more,” said Nadal. “I am not happy today about what I did. Not very happy about the way that I played the second set after losing the first. I didn’t play with the right intensity at the beginning of the second. I give him big opportunity at the beginning of the second. I cannot do that.”

For whatever the reasons – back, knee, age, confidence – Nadal just hasn’t been the same player he was last summer. Fortunately, he still has plenty of time to get things right before Paris. Because he’ll need to. That aura of invincibility is slowly starting to fade.

If that wasn’t enough drama, Roger Federer then had to go the distance to beat JW Tsonga 2-6, 7-6(6), 6-1. The Frenchman never had a matchpoint but things were very much on edge late in the second set as Federer failed and failed again to break Tsonga (he finished an appalling 2/19 on break points conversions). Roger toughed through the breaker and then ran over a dejected Tsonga in the decider.

“I was down 6-5, 0/30,” said Federer of his second set hole. “It was a tough point at 15-30 as far as I remember with a half volley backhand defense kind of thing. It wasn’t looking good there. Clearly was quite frustrating for a long period of time, missing all those break points. Now, looking back, I can take also some positives out of the match. It was just many things went wrong at the wrong time for me: Jo playing well, me playing wrong at certain times, wrong shot selections. It was a tough day at the office. I’m happy I found the way to tough it out.”

Surging defending champion Novak Djokovic was thought to be the man to restore order, but he too was under the gun. Recent Casablanca champ Guillermo Garcia-Lopez blitzed the Serb in the first set and just a missed backhand winner that would given him a break lead in the second.

After that it was all Novak who won 4-6, 6-3, 6-1. “I changed the tactics in the middle of the second set and I managed to regroup and find the right approach,” said Djokovic. “After that it was a great performance.”

So the semis are set. It’s Ferrer v Wawrinka and then Federer and Djokovic.


David Ferrer v Stan Wawrinka
After a big win like Ferrer’s over Nadal, it’s common for players to let down. But that’s not David Ferrer’s M.O. His plans don’t change.

This is a tough, close matchup. There’s not much to choose between the two. And the head-to-head bears that out. Ferrer leads 7-5 (5-2 on clay) but Stan’s won the last two including on the clay last year in Portugal.

“It’s going to be a tough match, sure,” said Ferrer. “Stan is playing unbelievable this season with a lot of power in his shots. I have to play similar like today or yesterday to have a chance.”

“No chance?” That’s some hyperbole. But I like Ferrer here. Stan seems to have found some form again and as David says he has the clear edge in firepower. But overall I think Ferrer is just the better player on clay and at this moment. And he’s got to have the confidence after beating Rafa and also Grigor Dimitrov a round earlier.

That said, if Wawrinka comes out cracking his serve and ripping that backhand, then Ferrer could be in for a long day. Still…
The pick: Ferrer in three


Roger Federer v Novak Djokovic
In the main event, Federer and Djokovic meet for the 34th time having already split two clashes this season. Federer won in Dubai while Novak got him back in that Indian Wells thriller.

Federer leads 17-16 but because of the 6-year age gap Novak’s going to pass him, and Saturday I think he catches him.

Right now Djokovic is the better player and the better guy on clay. There’s little debate on that. And with Nadal out, this adds to the importance of the match. A title this weekend for Novak really puts him in position for the top ranking if not before the French then at the French.

And for Federer, no Nadal means a never-better chance to win his first Monte Carlo.

But today showed me that Federer is again struggling on pressure points against the big guys on clay. We’ve seen him have similar issues against Nadal in Paris (oh, those missed chances) and it nearly bit him today. In fact it should have but Tsonga let him off the hook. That’s something I don’t think Djokovic will do.

However, Djokovic is beatable. After running 24 of 26 games in his first two rounds, he had one of those “bad patches” against G-Lo and he very nearly didn’t make it through. But like Federer, he fought past it, so tomorrow should be a great match.

“[Federer] has been playing really good tennis in the last couple of months… much better than he did all of last season,” said Djokovic. “I’m going to have to be on top of my game.”

If Roger is to win, he’ll have to serve great, covert break chances, press off the forehand and play well off the backhand. I wouldn’t advise coming in much, not against Novak on clay, and take advantage should the Serb fall into one of those familiar funks.

“The confidence is there,” Federer said today. “I played well from the baseline. My serve was consistent. I’m very happy that I have this foundation for my game. Sometimes you feel you have no foundation.”

For Djokovic, if he serves good and hits that backhand-down-the-line (for him it’s the barometer of how well he’s playing), then he’ll advance. And I think that’s what happens.

But what an opportunity for both: winning a clay Tennis Masters without having to beat Rafa!
The pick: Djokovic in two

Tennis Channel will have live coverage starting at 730am ET.

MONTE CARLO SATURDAY SEMIFINAL SCHEDULE
COURT CENTRAL start 11:00 am
[3] I Dodig (CRO) / M Melo (BRA) vs M Mirnyi (BLR) / M Youzhny (RUS)

Not Before 1:30 pm
[6] D Ferrer (ESP) vs [3] S Wawrinka (SUI)

Not Before 3:00 pm
[4] [WC] R Federer (SUI) vs [2] N Djokovic (SRB)
[1] B Bryan (USA) / M Bryan (USA) vs [5] D Nestor (CAN) / N Zimonjic (SRB)


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251 Comments for Nadal Suffers Early Knock Out; Federer v Djokovic Saturday; Monte Carlo SFs Picks And Pans

Daniel Says:

Indeed, both 5 masters they have on clay together they had to beat Nadal.
My hear wants Fed but head says Djoko. He is being able to hold off players in hot form and than bang. Fed will have to be in sublime form to win or Djoko subpar.

The other semis I think Wawrinka gets through.

Jinx effect: last two times Nadal had encounters with Wawrinka he lost (AO 2014) and today when he enter court knowing already he will have to play Wawa in the semis:-)


skeezer Says:

No mention of Fed getting his 50th Masters semi- final?
50th!
The record books will mention it.


Peter H Says:

Why does everyone mentioned Federer’s age (this started back when he was 28) but not even a mention that Ferrer is 32? The guy just knocked off the king of clay! I think we’re seeing a shift here of how long tennis players can play at the top level. I would not be surprised if guys like Wawrinka, Djokovic are playing top ten tennis at 33, 34. Not Nadal, though.


Humble Rafa Says:

The record books will mention it.

They will also mention more things about clay court players.


Ben Pronin Says:

50 semis and only 21 wins? Not something I’d brag about.

Djokovic in 2? Man, no way. That’s gotta be 3. I lean ever so slightly towards Djokovic but Tsonga is better than Garcia-Lopez. So, I’m not so sure. Although once Djokovic got the break in the second set, he played that monster tennis where he’s virtually unbeatable. It should be a good match, though.

I think Wawrinka wins over Ferrer, possibly and probably in 2. Ferrer’s hit some good form at this event but I don’t agree with Sean, Wawrinka is the better player, on clay, on hard, on whatever. But it should also be good.


mat4 Says:

I think that Novak won Rome a few years ago without playing against Rafa, beating Wawa in the final 2-1.


marko Says:

“But what an opportunity for both: winning a clay Tennis Masters without having to beat Rafa!”

I personally think Djokovic would’ve preferred to get another crack at Nadal in the final. I know I definitely would’ve preferred to see another Djokovic-Nadal final.


Carbono Says:

50 semis and only 21 wins? Not something I’d brag about.
——————————————-
Are you kidding?! Thats a great percentage! Do your math.


mat4 Says:

@Ben:

It could be 50 semis and 22 wins!

Then: yes, Wawa is better, in my opinion too, than Ferrer, shot for shot. But I believe that Ferrer has a better shot selection and a more efficient game plan on clay. I can see Ferrer grinding him out. Everything will depend on Wawa’s ability to be on the ball to hit his outrageous winners.

I hope that Novak will win, although I can see how Roger could make him feel uneasy: a good serving day, a lot of pace changes, an intelligent use of the backhand slice, and it could become a very tense match.


mat4 Says:

Marko wrote:

“I personally think Djokovic would’ve preferred to get another crack at Nadal in the final.”

Oh, no. Just like Rafa, he’s not stupid.


Bad Knee Rules Says:

For Novak fans:

Carole Bouchard @carole_bouchard
We received quotes from Djokovic, saying his wrist feels good and he hoped it’ll be fine for tomorrow. On match : too many mistakes
3 hours ago more »
Carole Bouchard @carole_bouchard
Waiting for car to get back to hotel and here is Djokovic getting into a talk with german kids in their language,taking pics, signing stuff.


skeezer Says:

“50 semis and only 21 wins? Not something I’d brag about.”
You want to name anyone who has been more competively consistent at a high level? Feds semi final record in Slams is recognized by the greats, no doubt. Sure titles and Slams are most important, but this is a telling achievement.
#highlevekconsistency


Rita Says:

I’m seeing a worrying trend..
Nole almost exclusively targeted Rafa’s backhand side at Miami and Ferrer went with the same gameplan yesterday.
Just like how Rafa exposed Federer’s weaker side, looks like Novak has done the same for him.
Regardless, Rafa still remains extremely tough to beat on any given day. Hope he can defend Rome and Madrid!

I think 50 semis and 21 masters wins is remarkable. If say instead of Federer it was Almagro who had that stat you folks wouldn’t be calling it embarassing…


Daniel Says:

If Fed wins he will be back to #3 even if Wawrinka makes the final. Wawa made quarters last year and with finla can gain 420 pts. Fed did not play so he will gain 1000. Their difference is 400 pts. Extra motivation for him, but first things first, beating Djoko would be a tall order already but he knows he can do it. Only he and Wawrinke beat Djoko since US Open and in tigh matches. This just shows the form Djokovic is in the last 7 months.


Ngentot Says:

@mat4

Djokovic won Rome in 2011 by defeating Nadal in the final in straight sets, after beating Murray in the semi final in 3 tight sets.


Okiegal Says:

The record books won’t have to mention Fed’s 50 masters semi finals…….the Fedheads will….over and over and over……..lol


Nirmal Kumar Says:

If Roger can iron out few inconsistent play, he is in a good position to make the match even with Novak. Roger made some fantastic shot making and unbelievable angles y’day against Tsonga, but was a bit more erratic too.

Probably it’s to do with the aggressive mindset Roger is playing these days. It might look silly when some of the shots don’t go through, but it’s the right plan for Roger to continue. He was trying to go over the Returns more than just blocking it, which is a good sign, but it will definitely increase the UE count.

I believe today’s match with Novak would be on Roger’s racquet, ideally his serve.


skeezer Says:

“Nadal Suffers Early Knock Out”
Yes, he does. Fact. Suffering. On his fav surface. Against the cult reasoning of h2h. LMAO.
And he is not happy.
He needs to play the youtube vid “Happy”. Then maybe he will become happy again.
Humble Rafa you need to tell your Love this. Please advise him. Of course he listens to your unemployed reasoning.


Michael Says:

That insane streak at Monte Carlo had to end one day and that was it. Imagine, 9 continuous finals at Monte Carlo and still if you expect more from Rafa, that tells you something about the capability of that player. Against Ferrer, Rafa unusually was making quite a lot of UEs and his game was not upto the mark. He deservingly lost and Ferrer won at last. Ferrer too needs to win sometimes and he cannot be belted down by Rafa now and then. It may sound a bit silly on my part, but now-a-days I get a feeling that Rafa is more comfortable on hard courts than Clay courts. My assessment might be wrong considering the incredible consistency of Rafa so far on clay courts, but yet I cannot dismiss that feeling outright.


Michael Says:

I have to go with Sean picks, except that I sense there is some chance for Roger against Novak if he plays exceptional Tennis which he is quite capable. I am just keeping my fingers crossed. No player deserves the trophy of Monte Carlo more than Roger and what a fine chance he has in this edition with Rafa out early. I hope he steals this moment to realize his ambition of winning this tournament atleast once. That being said, I do not mind Novak winning too for I think this win would set him up with a platform to acquire the trophy at Rolland Garros.


skeezer Says:

Rafa lost. Despite his 17 huge wins against his bunny, he somehow lost to this no slam wonder in his prime age of tennis. An amazing defeat for Rafa, no? The rafafanatic club has been trash talkin for weeks about Rafa GOAT and this and that, but he already is in jeopardy of giving up his “temporary” #1 ranking. Why? He can’t handle and never proven he can handle being the best when he is ranked #1.
And has he even won ONE title this year? Rafanatics false claims of GOATness shows the true colors here, in a generation of the “supposed strong era” he loses to old guys, and nobodys, even on his self professed fav surface.
Pffft.
#FedGOAT


Rita Says:

@Skeezer

He’s already won two titles this year. Doha and Rio.


skeezer Says:

Rita,
Ok. Woohoo.


ertorque Says:

Garcia is so consistent with his backhand in the first set against Novak which is something that is not so common for a player with a single BH. He could trade shot for shot with Novak. Having said that his BH is a bit ‘mechanical’ in the sense that it was hit in the same way everytime resulting in trajectories that are unvaried in terms of pace and height. He is also playing it very safe not wanting to hit it close to the lines. Novak on the other hand with his superb control of his DBH is able to execute shots with varying trajetories (depth, pace, height and positioning).


Bad Knee Rules Says:

@skeezer,

Remind me, did Nadal have to beat a single top 40 player to win Rio? And yet he struggled to win. Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, Federer had to beat Novak and inform Berdych to win Dubai.


Bad Knee Rules Says:

If Novak can bring back this shot that was missing most of last night, he is in for the win. If not, my money’s on Roger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0qrV6XyeTI


Okiegal Says:

There is going to be two more knock outs today……I wonder who?? What is wrong with Novak’s wrist?? Did he knock someone out and hurt it?? Hope not, Fed is up next!! I will be watching!!


Hippy Chic Says:

Okiegal the wrist thing might be why Noles timing was off in that 1st set,althugh GGL played really great tennis for almost two sets,and will probably rue those missed BP chances?Nole still found enough to get him through even when not playing his best,as the elite players almost always do more often than no?


Hippy Chic Says:

He didnt beat a single top 40 player to win Rio fair enough,but he still beat whomever was stood in front of him to win the title is all you can do,he still struggled but sometimes even the elite players struggle,they cant be expected to play sublime everyday of every week surely?but whatever,seems nothing is/will ever be good enough sometimes?


Margot Says:

Hope Nole’s wrist is OK. Wrist injuries are an absolute b*****, ask JMDP. Andy also has had wrist problems, one when he was a lot younger, kept him out for months, the other a couple of years ago.
Both semis looking really good on paper anyway….lol


Margot Says:

PS Am going with Sean….I think…;)


mat4 Says:

@Ngentot:

Novak won Rome in 2008 too.

@etorque:

I felt the same about GGL backhand. Although he played it DTL witch success.


mat4 Says:

But there is one thing we often tend to downplay: the conditions.

Yesterday was a very cold day for this part of the year, and the clay seemed to be humid and heavy. So, when you are confronted with a player running like a rabbit, it is very difficult to hit a winner: the

Then, if the clay is a bit humid, the balls become humid too, and it changes the rotation of the ball. It explains why Rafa, Novak, Fed… made more than 40 UE in their matches, and why their FHs were so inconsistent.


van orten Says:

no need for malicious joy.

rafas run has been a dream. he is entering rem sleep now before dawn. till the morning/retirement he will have maybe 3-6more slams on his side. the question is has fed a shot for another 1- 3 slams and how many more will djoker collect. how many new stans will show up. competition will not just wait and say : “thank you rafa, you retired now we can win more…” they all wanna win before that

I m looking forward to a rafa I cheer for because he will be one of the old guard someday . it will be fascinating to see nadal adapt to age/resilliance. u become more generous with age . hahaha

so no surprise so far in mc

and I do not expect surpise today


criss Says:

hopefully Fed will send home the other peds boy.Im sick and tired of these fluke titles.Last year Nadal,Rome,Madrid,Cincinnati and this year Novak turn.Hell to the no.Thank god Waw bi..hslapped both of them in the Australian Open.


Tennishook Says:

be 2 great matches I am sure of it. I think Ferru-Nole will be the final, although it would be very interesting to see a Fed-Wawa final. See how Stan plays Fed in a big match, now being a Grand Slam champion


Tennishook Says:

And why does everybody keep repeating about the record 50 MS semi’s by Fed? Nadal has 52 Semi’s, 38 finals and 26 titles. All better than Fed, who has 50 Semi’s, I think 35 finals and 21 titles.


Sivaji Says:

Healthy Nadal can loose matches irrespective of surface. Thats strange


Klaas Says:

I thought Nadal looked tennisfatiqued during the match because he did not take a decent break in the off-season. Looked at his interview, and it becomes clear that he was unable to practice longer periods after AO.

So it is probably a case of less confidence and mobility than mental fatique. Pretty much like Federer last year after Indian Wells. Will be interesting to see if he can pick it up. Will be tougher now, after his loss yesterday all the spanish players will smell blood in Barcelona.


Pitchaboy Says:

Rafa getting some payback. Pound your opponents backhand till it breaks down: familiar?


Giles Says:

@van orten. “malicious joy”. Very apt words, couldn’t have put it better myself.


mat4 Says:

Meanwhile, Stan is simply devastating David. It is a beatdown.


mat4 Says:

I just don’t understand what Ferru plan is. He should try to play to the empty part of the court, to make Wawrinka hit on the run. It is difficult to do when you are returning, but at least it could have been his pattern of play when serving. Anyway, it is already 5-0, and it smells like a bagel.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Its a significant loss.
You are either invulnerable or vulnerable.
Rafa is now vulnerable on clay.

You can say Rafa’s still the best clay player in the world. Probably true. But “the best” is not the same as invulnerable.

Rafa never hits that many errors. Except now he does.

Boyoboy tennis is in flux this year.


Josh Says:

Wawrinka pounding Ferrer!


Tennishook Says:

WOW. Did not expect Ferru to get pounced on by Wawa. He should have super confidence after beating Nadal


mat4 Says:

Ferrer is not over yet. Wawrinka plays a high risk game, and he has to be very confident, relaxed, to make all his shots. I am certain that Ferrer will make him doubt before the end of this match.


mat4 Says:

This heavy clay is good for Stan: it gives him time to hit his shots cleanly. But when he has to run and to hit a few in a row, he is prone to errors. In clutch time, it could be dangerous.


Tennishook Says:

Yeah, Ferru has straightened the ship. A real contest now. Let’s see if it can go three.


Grand Slam Says:

Wow! What a demolishion in 1st set! I was just getting ready to watch and it was over….. What happened? Seems like David is more into it in the 2nd?


mat4 Says:

I don’t see how Ferrer can win this match, but if he does, I’ll certainly write that I told you so and that I am the king of everything…


mat4 Says:

Wawa is just reminding us how he loses against Fed: he is not able to react to frequent changes of pace, spin, depth.


Grand Slam Says:

Seems like David just woke up after partying all day after his yesterday win.., lol


Grand Slam Says:

Btw I read that Nole got an injection in his wrist yesterday and cut his practice short? Not good news considering he is facing Fed? Anybody knows anythinh more about this?


mat4 Says:

It looks just like Ferrer has to PLAY the point, while Wawa has to WIN the point. Ferrer is more consistent right now. Stan is still the favourite to win this match.


mat4 Says:

Money time now…


mat4 Says:

The gods are on Stan’s side…


mat4 Says:

And now, Stan is also on Stan’s side…


contador Says:

lol, mat4 -

Stan needs to put his head right and finish this match now. or Ferrer will win if this goes to a decider set. That is my great prediction ; )


Tennishook Says:

perfect example of how winning a GS takes your comfort level to new highs in difficult moments. Ferru wad the better player this set, but Wawa weathers the storm


Tennishook Says:

big point coming!


contador Says:

Stan is going to choke now? no no please Stanley.


Josh Says:

Wawrinka in the final – good stuff from him!


contador Says:

He made it! WAWA!


Kimmi Says:

So tense in the end. Nice one wawa :)


mat4 Says:

Conty:

You told us so and you’re the queen of everything…

How did I win the T-x contest? when I can’t predict the winner of this match after 6/1 in the first set?


Tennishook Says:

Wawa being clutch there. Very good result. Final of MS. Can he win his first? Will be tough tough tough to beat either Nole or Fed. But well done to Stan


tfouto Says:

Stan is playing really well. We will not be an easy game tomorrow to play against, for sure…


contador Says:

Nole is going to play, of course. But, how will he do?


contador Says:

mat4 hahahahaaa

queen conty :D


Gordon Says:

When Ferrer said he was going to have to play against Wawrinka the same way he played against Nadal or he’d get blown away I guess it wasn’t an exaggeration.

He didn’t, much in the same way many guys knock off Nadal or Djokovic occasionally and then drop the next match.

It makes Wawrinka’s AO win that much more impressive, for he beat Nole and then followed it up with a victory over Nadal.

Now the main course – this could be a barn burner. Let’s hope so.


contador Says:

The congratulations are late, but mat4, big Congrats to you being the King of Everything…in 2014

:D

I predicted Stan in 3 tight sets. just a mere a princess here :D


mat4 Says:

Thanks, Conty. :-)

But now, it’s time to get nervous…


Gordon Says:

Tennishook Says:
And why does everybody keep repeating about the record 50 MS semi’s by Fed? Nadal has 52 Semi’s, 38 finals and 26 titles. All better than Fed, who has 50 Semi’s, I think 35 finals and 21 titles.

A very valid point. These same people are probably going to go on when Nadal wins the French Open again about how he has 15 Grand Slam titles, when Federer has 17.

I think 50 semis in M1000 appearances is impressive. It is a milestone and very few guys reach it. True, it’s not the most ever but it is still pretty darn good. Just like 15 grand slam titles is going to be pretty special when Nadal is chewing on the trophy in a couple of months in Paris, no?


mat4 Says:

For once, if Novak loses, I could say he was injured…


contador Says:

Because of the wrist, I sort of hope Feddy wins.

But the problem is the Stan v Roger final will be strange. But it could be time for another streak or two to end in the final.

If Nole can play his tennis, he will win, mat4.

When the tx poll came out, I voted for Nole with all fingers and toes as usual.


van orten Says:

if he plays he has to have hopes he can actually win. otherwise it wouldnt make any sense for him to play vs fed so i guess it is not as bad as it seems


van orten Says:

i can see from the start he is not that injured ..you can see that ..


van orten Says:

molested maybe


contador Says:

Nole is swinging pretty freely for having a cast on that arm.


contador Says:

Agree with you, van orten on the part where you say – must Nole must think he can win, otherwise …

Nole needs to win this in 2 sets then, imo.

Wawa v Woger – Dont think I can watch that final.


Jatin Says:

wonderful match so far. Loving it


Jatin Says:

Roger should push novak around more. Maybe some more slices or something.


madmax Says:

Gordon,

You mean 14 don’t you or have I missed something?

Nole is the favourite and so he should be. Didn’t hear about the inject in his wrist, but likely to be the case. How else could Delpo have played all those matches in such agony.

Agreed that a fed v stan F would be weird.


Jatin Says:

Terrific shot making by roger…
3-3


mat4 Says:

Roger is clearly the better player so far.


Jatin Says:

Surprised to see novak coming forward so often. Becker effect perhaps or maybe a new strategy against roger ?
4-3


contador Says:

Did Nole have his lower arm wrapped like that yesterday?


Okiegal Says:

If it is an all Swiss final…….Wa Wa won’t beat his Da Da……..IMHO……..LOL

Another injury. The big question?? Is it real or is he faking???


contador Says:

This is a good match :D


Gordon Says:

@madmax – right you are. My bad; I gave Nadal an extra slam title. My point still stands though.


contador Says:

Too bad Wafa is not playing wight, Okiegal? ; )


van orten Says:

it gets dangerous for fed when nole put his suffering face on …from 0:30 to 30:0 ..always the same story


van orten Says:

to 30:30


van orten Says:

expect nole to convert his first break point opportunity.,,incredible


mat4 Says:

Hopefully, Fed will need 15 BP before a conversion… ;-)


van orten Says:

sometimes it is painful to watch. on such crucial moments so easy errors by fed


van orten Says:

and nole puts his suffering face on ,…no chance roger wins today making so easy errors while nole is supposed to suffer pain


van orten Says:

break now nole, do business as usal


van orten Says:

nole does not to do anything just keep ball in play fed will self destruct,.. ahhhhhhhhh


van orten Says:

i hate to be right ,,.but after minimum watchin 500 matches of roger i knew this had to come


Okiegal Says:

I understand Rafa played with injections in his foot. In an interview one time he said his foot was “sleeping”. All the reporters got a big laugh…..language barrier again. As mentioned above, DelPo has also been an “injected” player at times. Dang these injuries!!

Uh oh…….break point….c’mon Roger!!


Okiegal Says:

Beautiful……Roger!!


van orten Says:

well well, i love to be wrong


Daniel Says:

It took a while to get going but now they are in the mood for awesome points.


Okiegal Says:

Who has the best tiebreak stat between these two….anyone know??


contador Says:

It is tough for me to cheer for an injured player. I’m a RN in real life, Okiegal. I really don’t fancy Nole playing WAWA.


Okiegal Says:

Woot woot..4 points in a row!!


van orten Says:

they are something like 10:9 for fed on tie breaks ,,pretty close too


Daniel Says:

Wow, after saving 2 set points now Fed break and will serve for the set. Djoko body language seems too negative


Jatin Says:

roger at his genius best. Standing ovation from my side. Amazing


Okiegal Says:

Has Okiegal jumped the gun on the tiebreaker situation?? We will see. Novak got got shaken a bit.


mat4 Says:

Novak’s body language is wrong. If he felt he was injured and not able to give his best, he should have retired before the match. He just can’t afford to give confidence to Roger in those encounters.


van orten Says:

after indian well i guess they are even already in tie breaks


Jatin Says:

1 SET in the bag. Best first set i have seen between them out of 3 encounters this year.


mat4 Says:

Good tennis in this first set. Roger played a great end of set.


Rahul Says:

Nice to see Roger raising his game on the crucial points. He almost blew it on his service game after being the better player for most of the set.


tfouto Says:

If Djokovic is really injured or molested he should quit. He should not compromise FO and next masters 1000…


tfouto Says:

Federer is also playing really good. Let’s see how he will playing 2 set. Usually Fed level drops…


Jatin Says:

mat 4
Novak didn’t looked injured to me. Infact he had 2 set points. And novak can make a comeback anytIME.


contador Says:

Federer serving well. It’s a hard life being the prediction princess, mat4…


mat4 Says:

He certainly isn’t hitting as hard as he does usually.


Gordon Says:

Good time for a first ace. Now that Roger has that essential first set under his belt we’ll see if he can pull this off. Coming back from 40-0 on Nole’s serve and breaking him has to do wonders for both Roger’s confidence and Djokovic’s mindset.

Van orten – you did this yesterday. Bad mouth Federer throughout the match, just as you’re doing today. At least your last post has a little humility and humour.

Set 2 – what will it bring?


mat4 Says:

Novak is playing worse and worse.


Tennishook Says:

Let’s see if Roger can stay focussed. You know Nole is going to up his level and apply the pressure! Great match so far. I don’t think Nole’s wrist is bothering him. He would not have played if it was serious. But I like the fact he is battling despite having some discomfort. I don’t know if Old Nole would have. Props to him


Tennishook Says:

Long way to go mat4: I have seen Nole turn it around in 1 game against Fed. Let’s see how set 2 goes….


contador Says:

very much as expected, matty4

Anyone wanting a Woger v Wafa final is a tad sadistic, imo.


mat4 Says:

He is almost pushing the ball, instead of hitting it cleanly. The racquet head speed is much lower than usual, and it is clearly visible.

I think it will be a all Swiss final.


tfouto Says:

Djokovic should quit now. He should not compromise the rest of tournments…


Tennishook Says:

If you had put money on an All-Swiss final Katjing!!!!!!!!! But, it is Novak. A true champion. Do not count him out!


Daniel Says:

Sean is right, the Boris course will go on: Djoko don’t win when Biris in his box. Very odd indeed


contador Says:

Props to Nole is right, Tennishook.

Nole does not want to disappoint fans by giving Federer a free pass to the final with a walkover. Makes sense he would go out and give it his all.


tfouto Says:

Djokovic is playing for respect to Federer, but it dont make any sense. Just quit.

As a Federer fan, i think Djokovic should quit now…


mat4 Says:

It is just coincidence: I think that Boris has done a good job so far. But an injury is an injury.


van orten Says:

..i am just reversed superstitious. pessimistic on something hoping it turns out the positive opposite ..u understand gordon ? i am not like this because of evilness i just do not wanna jinx fed


Daniel Says:

It’s a pity Djoko can’t play properly. Match pretty much over now. You could see in Fed’s eye when he looked to Nole T this change over.


Tennishook Says:

Yes, I have come to respect Djokovic a lot about his demeanor, his respect and his gut. To be willing to work hard for it to change that and become such a god champion has all my respect. But I hope his wrist is okay and he doesn’t aggravate it. He must do the sensible thing and if it gets worse, take rest. There is no shame in that. Out of respect he’ll let Fed have this(so no forfeit) and I admire him for it.


Daniel Says:

He doesn’t want to quit. He will finish the match. A few strokes won’t hammer him much but it will be a prpoper way to finish.


contador Says:

But…But….Stan losing in the Final will be sad, won’t it. Here is his chance at a masters title and he has to do the dirty deed.

Can Stan do it?


Okiegal Says:

@Contador

Being a nurse and all what do you think about playing with injections to numb the body? My cousin is a nurse and she says that you can injure it even more. I’m really surprised players do that. Looks like if you happened to fracture a bone and couldn’t feel it…..would be asking for a worse situation imo.

Oh my Joker is done.


mat4 Says:

OK. So I predicted Ferrer vs Novak in the final. The mat4 jinx, the Sean jinx, the Tignor jinx?

Anyway, I don’t see how Wawa could win tomorrow.

For Novak, the most important thing is to rest his arm and to get well. Even with a painful wrist he played a good first set.

I am disappointed, of course, but it’s sport, it’s tennis.


Salleh Ahmed Says:

This is why roger is the GOAT

even with 32 years old is plays such kind of beautiful tennis

this man is a total genius


contador Says:

And he sets an example…very proud of Nole.

hopefully he did not do too much damage by playing and will not need wrist surgery.


tfouto Says:

Maybe Djokovic should have a rest and play only in Madrid…


Okiegal Says:

Okiegal missed this one, didn’t realize Joker would come out casted or whatever is on his arm. My favorite guy knows all about that! Fed still has the best athletic genes in the sport, save for a mono bout and a little back problem.


skeezer Says:

Mat4,
Too bad about Noles wrist :(.
The batlle looked pretty epic early on. Shot in the wrist wore off, that is my guess.
That said, imo Fed played very well. Serve, and my gosh his movement most of important of all.
WC in the final.


Okiegal Says:

@Chic

You are getting your wish…..all Swiss final!! Wow!!

Hate that Novak wasn’t at his full potential, but that’s the sport, no??


Tennishook Says:

@tfouto

I think Novak plays Madrid next. Did you mean….he should maybe only play Rome?


Salleh Ahmed Says:

so hope fed doesnt play like against hewitt or nishikori and lose tomorrow


Polo Says:

That’s how you beat Djokovic. Put Becker in the stand.


tfouto Says:

I just hope that the wrist injury is not really serious. I didn’t knew he would play only on Madrid.

He should play only when his wrist is ok. Madrid, Rome, or even FO.


Jatin Says:

Just loved it. Even at 32 he is beating these guys ( His 6th top ten win so far already) and hopefully the 7th is going to come soon. Sorry for novak fans, but he will come back stronger.

Just a chance to feel good again. So proud of mastero.


Daniel Says:

This year is pretty crazy. Who would have though FedxWawa final in MC. Hope the yeR keeps like this, with some young doing some damage now and than as well.
Hoping fora Fed win, that would be somthing, two weeks ago we didn’t even know if he would play and now competing for the Title.


Tennishook Says:

I am glad that Fed won. Gives him a chance to finally win MC. But a shout out to Novak. A true champion and respectfully gave it his all, while hampered, for Fed. Respect that! Hope Nole’s wrist heals soon!


Humble Rafa Says:

Is 2014 the year of the “Lucky Swiss Vs An Injured Opponent”?


skeezer Says:

Hope Boris shows Nole how to slice, especially in the transition game. Never liked that shot from Nole technically.


Jatin Says:

I cannot forget the way fed played those set points. It was pure genius


Daniel Says:

This change things regarding #1 ranking. Even though Nadal lost 420 pts, Djoko lost 740 pts so the gap will increase even with both losing. Hope is not too serious and he has 17 or 18 days of rest before he hit the courts in Madrid, so this should be sufficient time if it is a minor thing.


contador Says:

Okie, I hate seeing players do the ‘heroic’ thing and play on injured. But I do understand why they give it a go. Classic example in tennis was Gilles Simon playing on and winning in Paris indoors – 2009, I think it was? He could not even run. Running is his game! He pulled out some great volleying and came in to net.

Simon was out of tennis, dropped in rankings ….at least a year, it took to be his road runner self. I am still asleep Okie, I have to look that match up, I think he beat Llubicic. It was a painful show of heroics for the cheering fans, is what I do recall too well.


Jatin Says:

One interesting stat

Only swiss players have beaten Novak since US open 2013


Salleh Ahmed Says:

hope fed meets nishi, hewitt and nadal this year and beats them to even out his losses to them this year

he should have won against hewitt (and the title) and nishi (then he would have reaches at least seminfinal in all tourney he entered), he could have won against nole in indian wells (to have potentially 3 titles), the only match which he deservdly lost was against nadal

plz no break down tomorrow fed.

stan is still unbroken i think


Josh Says:

Congrats to Roger – it would be great if he could bag his first ever Monte Carlo title, but Stan is also on a very high level at the moment. Best of luck tomorrow!


Gordon Says:

Sean Randall – for tomorrow’s final you should predict Tsonga will beat Raonic. That way we’ll all say, “You know, Sean wasn’t that far off in his semi-final predictions.” :)

Just kidding. It takes nerve to come out and lay down predictions every tournament. That being written, I thought you’d predict at least 1 set for Federer.

So tomorrow’s all Swiss final will also be for the #3 spot in world rankings. Wawrinka made the quarters last year and Federer did not play, so a win by Federer will put him ahead of Wawa while losing will keep him in fourth place.

The way the two finalists are playing it is difficult to not predict them winning the Davis Cup later this year for Switzerland.

Djokovic – hope your wrist injury is a temporary thing and nothing Delpotroesque (yeah I coined this – feel free to use it). The tour ain’t the same without a healthy Nole.


Pitchaboy Says:

Novak pulling a Nadal? Cut me a break, Novak fans. He was beaten fair and square. Federer is better than Novak on grass, clay and fast hards. Period. Novak beats him on slow and medium fast hards courts, a la Aus and USO.


mat4 Says:

Novak played without a FH in from the middle of the first set. He tried his best, but it wasn’t certainly enough under those circumstances.

But on the other side, let’s not forget that Roger played many times with pain, and never retired in his career.


mat4 Says:

Skeezer:

First, kudos to your guy who played a gutsy and inspired match.

Then: Novak is already working on his slice, and it is much better now, but he often makes errors when advancing (too high and too long).


Tennis Fan Says:

Feder is simply amazing. Such sublime awesome shot making … the guy is well past his prime and he can still make these top guys in their prime look absolutely silly sometimes.

… and by the way … good prediction made above Ferrer vs Djokovic … you experts look pretty silly too .. nit enough resoect for the Swiss I guess … haha


contador Says:

Yes, Federer has played on too many times in pain. He sets a high bar for playing on in pain under some bad circumstances …pretending all is well. But I have no energy for a Fedal war topic this morning.


Okiegal Says:

Sorry to all Novak fans….didn’t realize the wrist was that big of an issue, but if he got an injection, its a big issue! That is why DelPo is in the shape he’s in, playing with injections. I think that is so unhealthy, but athletes have a tendency to abuse their bodies because sports is their occupation, just like working in county government is mine……got to pay the bills, so to speak. Hope he is well soon! So sorry for him and his fans!


Okiegal Says:

@Contador

Do you think its wise to play on with injections…being a nurse?? Curious about your thoughts.


contador Says:

Absolutely not!

Okiegal, I missed Nole’s last match. Did he have the arm bandaged like that?


Okiegal Says:

Wa Wa wont beat his Da Da!!I think it will be a cracker of a match!! Don’t care who wins this one.


Giles Says:

Lol. Hope BB sticks around for a very loooong time!
#JinxIsWorking


contador Says:

Well, not sure it will be a cracker – Wawa vs Da Da.

It botherers me if Stan loses. Stan has played so well – he’s a GS winner in his own right. But will he play freely vs his mentor?

He needs his first Masters 1000 title! that would be HUGE for Stan!

On the other hand there will be that one big reason for Roger to win MC…

I don’t know. Too tired to obsess about it – just do like what is at stake for the loser in the Swiss Final.


contador Says:

^ Do Not Like….what I meant….errrrm,


Okiegal Says:

@Contador

It was not against Lopez. The commentators were talking about it during the match. My cousin is a nurse too, and she says that is the worse thing you can do. Stands to reason. If you fractured a bone you would never feel the pain. I think it is a stupid move……but these ever so loyal tennis fans want them to play through it…… we don’t care if you’re injured for life, we wont to see tennis regardless!!


mat4 Says:

This match against GGL was, for such an injury, very bad: they played under heavy, humid conditions, a long three setter.


contador Says:

Well, I forget when Nole first complained about wrist pain. The story of Delpo is a sad one, indeed.

It’s does not matter to fans if their hero can walk or what their condition is when they finally retire. Chronic pain is to be expected, at the least. But perhaps advanced medical procedures and science can grow the necessary body parts in a petrie dish.


Gordon Says:

Roger will be going for I believe his 7th Masters 1000 title. He has 4 titles in Hamburg (before it was downgraded) and 2 in Madrid.

He hasn’t win one since Cincinnati 2012. He will be up for it I’m sure.

Wawrinka has to forget he’s playing Federer and just play lights out.

To win a Masters 1000 you usually have to knock off at least 1 of Fed, Nole and/or Rafa. It will be true again for tomorrow’s champion.


Gordon Says:

Whoa – in my last post I forgot to add 7th title ON CLAY. Sorry.


contador Says:

Yeah, no doubt, mat4. The match vs G-Lo did enough damage at least to make him go out and play with it injected. not good.


contador Says:

But I sound like Eeyore this morning.

These guys, Nole and Delpo are still young. There is still time to not follow the example of Fedal when accumulating titles at their physical health’s expense.

Nole may already be committed to the task. He has to be smart enough to say no. Just say no, as they say.


mat4 Says:

In the final, Stan will be the clear underdog. He hits flatter than most of the top players, is a bit heavy, and he is vulnerable to variations. He also doesn’t like strategy changes, with Fed alternating baseline tennis and forays to the net.


contador Says:

Look on the bright side, conty…i say.

We could be on the cusp of evolving into Robots. And we are lucky to be alive to witness it.


madmax Says:

Well done to Fed. Well done. I haven’t seen him play so aggressively against Novak and I noticed his movement in this match was really excellent.

When these two plan, they are so evenly matches – I would give the edge to Novak due to his sheer tenacity when he is down. Somehow, he just recovers that lost equilibrium and pounces on to his opponent when they least expect it! Just wasn’t his day today.

11 winners from Federer in the first set but the amount of pressure he consistently put on Novak made it feel like more. There was definitely a change in what Roger was doing that he hasn’t been doing before.

Remember Federer had said that he had been working really hard in the winter training season. Hard work. Hard gym work. Hard cardio work with his trainer to improve on his movement and to my mind, you could really see that today.

Federer was winning more of the long rallies. He doesn’t normally against Novak. On points that lasted more than five shots, Federer had won seven while Djokovic had won four.

Definite improvement in the Fed camp. Well done Federer!


mat4 Says:

Anyway… we, fans of Novak, were spoiled in the last years: he almost never was injured, while Rafa has to pause a year, Fed had back problems, Murray had an operation…

We were also spoiled by him winning so much, to the point that I, personally, wasn’t satisfied with semis, finals, a second place in the rankings… It wasn’t always that way, and we should be more humble. This semi was an excellent result, and Novak played quite well, even in this last match, but he lost to a better player.

So, Novak, just recover!


Josh Says:

I just hope no one blames Becker for this – he just appears to be a bit of a bad luck charm than anything else


mat4 Says:

Where are all those Rafans, BTW?

I had to ask, because they always notice when I am absent…


contador Says:

Excellent post @11:57, mat4!

Cheers and have a great weekend, my friend. : )

I woke up too early – time for a nap. Otherwise, I’ll get cranky and wake up on the wrong side of the bed tomorrow.


contador Says:

your posting form is superb this morning, mat4.

thanks for making me smile.


mat4 Says:

@Conty:

That’s just the way I am… the king of everything… always right… and so forth…


Okiegal Says:

@Contador

Loved the petrie dish comment…..funny!

Mat4…..Okiegal is here……sorry about your fav….he was definitely hampered. Needs to lay off awhile and get well. Too bad for him today!


Dc Says:

Fed played extremely well..he was working the angles very artistically, making Nole run and stretch. The finals is going to be interesting. Stan has difficulty with variety and is likely to falter against Fed. Stan cannot handle Feds slice to the BH . The is all for Fed to loose.


Okiegal Says:

@Mat4

Clay????? LOL


Daniel Says:

mat4,

For some who were so happy about clay season coming, seems they are not that mood now, no?!


Okiegal Says:

@Daniel

Why do you say that? I am still very happy about clay…..so Rafa lost to his fellow countryman….its off to the next tournament with water bottles in tow! LOL

#minorspeedbump


mat4 Says:

@Daniel:

This is the true, no?

@Okiegal:

Welcome to the party!

Anyway, it’s not to bad for him: he played an hour, earned what I earn in a few years, made some grimaces (oh, I am so suffering and similar kind of stuff), and now he is at home, near the sea, with a beautiful blond in his arms and a stupid dog on the rug…

I am jealous… Would so like to lose in the same manner…


mat4 Says:

On a more serious note:

In a dialogue with Skeezer, last year, (since I am the king of everything always right) I ask how a player like Ferrer could play his best tennis at 32, while Fed looked in so sharp decline.

A few months later: health, work, and everything is where it was two or three years ago, Federer moving well, playing great.

It gives me good hopes that Novak will last as a champion three, four more years, and remain dangerous a few years after that still.


Voicemale1 Says:

It’s not surprising that after his breakout year in 2011 – and his subsequent home in the Top 2 since – that all that tennis required to do that (especially in the Fedal Era) would catch up with Djokovic physically at some point. It had to. What’s a serious concern for Djokovic is the location of the problem. As Del Potro has shown us, wrist injuries are the worst possible injuries to have. Knees? Those are workable. Ditto shoulders. And even the back. But the wrist? Oy. Since we don’t know yet what the exact nature of his issue is, it’s hard to say what his future holds. If it’s tendonitis, then he needs sufficient time away from playing tennis to let the inflammation subside, but no surgery – which is by far the lesser of two evils. If there is ligament damage – well, it’s scary to even think about that. Venus Williams early in her career was diagnosed with tendonitis in both of her wrists, back in about 2004. She was off the tour for 6 months. Good news was she won 3 more Wimbledon’s after her comeback. But the time away was essential for that to happen. Same with the Nadal knee in 2012- he sat idle for almost 8 months, then came back to win 2 Majors and reclaim #1. Given that Nadal, Federer and Murray have all had their physical maladies to deal with, it’s no surprise that Djokovic – after 3 years of some sublime tennis – would find his way onto the injury list. Worse still for him is that there is virtually no serious down time at this point on the calendar to get things under control. To say the least, he probably now has concerns about getting the French Open dream crossed off his bucket list this year.

As for Nadal, I can’t ever remember him playing a match on clay where he coughed up 44 Unforced Errors – especially in only two sets. He’s played entire tournaments on clay and hasn’t made that many errors in five matches. So something is clearly wrong – and I’m wondering if it isn’t mental. He looked almost mad that Ferrer was relentlessly going to his BH and keeping him in that corner hitting BH’s 80% of the time and not allowing Nadal to runaround to hit a FH. And even when Nadal managed it, Ferrer seemed to have the answer. Nadal was forced into pressing, and it looked like that was aggravating him. Still, the stat of the match that glares out like neon is Nadal giving away a full 11 games in Unforced Errors. On clay. If he’s ever played a match that poorly on a clay court I can’t ever remember what it was.

So with Djokovic’s wrist issue, Nadal’s mind issues, and Federer threatening to skip Roland Garros because Mirka is about to squeeze out the 3rd Federer puppy – what to make of the French Open this year!!! LOL. Stan Wawrinka – RG champ and half way to a Calendar Grand Slam?? :o!!!!!


tweener Says:

Based on current form, wawa is looking far better than fed. He is playing aggresive, playing with a free mind and looking very confident unlike his show in the just completed american HC swing. Though fed has a golden opportunity to bag his first MC title, I think wawa may spoil the party here.


Tennis Fan Says:

I actually believe Djokovic peaked last year and is already in decline. Within the next year there will be a bigger shift coming at the top of the Men’s game. The window for Djok and Nadal will be closing very soon.


contador Says:

Well @King of Everything: Always Right (aka mat4), I have been a fan of the Feds tennis since 2001.

I thought he would be retired by going on 33. Also thought Rafa would retire before age 30. But a couple years ago I stopped speculating about who will retire when. Those days are over. We are in the age of anything is possible.

However, I do stand by some of my statements. One being that Federer played with more physical abilities and vigor earlier. But now that he changed the racquet, he is returning well and his backhand has some new life – maybe he can win more consecutive long tough matches like he used to back in the day, too. Definitely he is playing with superior shot selection in his old age and has the benefit of all those earlier years of experience. We shall see over the next three GS tourney’s.

Yes, unless Nole just says no and decides to spend more time with the beautiful blond and their canine baby, I think there is reason to have hope for another decade. Gulbis can procrastinate all he wants and go partying, then, come back age 30 and win his first GS, the way things are going. That in fact, could be a good plan the younger comers going forward: the postponing of goals until the GOATS are done.


contador Says:

When Federer’s biceps start looking like Nadal’s is when I stop watching tennis altogether.


mat4 Says:

@Tennis Fan:

You could be right, but I would like to read some details: who are those youngsters bringing that “shift”? Did Rafa and Novak slowed down? The only thing I noticed is that Wawrinka fulfilled finally the potential we all knew he had.

Let’s see: Raonic… nah… Big serve, and bad return, bad movement, and if this is the future of tennis, just hope that the big three retire at 45…

Dimitrov? Potentially a great player. Although he is stagnating for a year and a half. But a great talent, not like the likes of Murray, Djokovic, who were top 5 at 19, winning MS and slams at 20…

Nishikori? He will finish his career before Fed, since he’s so injury prone.

Jerzy Janowicz? He still plays? On the challenger tour, I guess…

Ernests Gulbis? He could be a great player, if he had a brain…

There is not a single player under 21 ranked under the 70th place in the ATP rankings. What shift?


mat4 Says:

@Conty:

Since the new AD testing started, even Nadal’s biceps doesn’t look like Nadal biceps…


Skeezer Says:

contador,
Lol @ 1:44 post ;)


Andrea Says:

Last years run by rafa was amazing, but we also have to recognize that he had 7 months off. For someone whose body gets dragged down physically by consecutive play, having that much time to heal was a good thing. Given how much he won last year, it’s not surprising that aches and pains would catch up to him this year – ao.

Shame about Novak and his wrist. Hope he heals quickly. Nice win by federer and Stan. All Swiss final is kind of cool! Too bad ferrer couldn’t make it to another final.


harry Says:

@le_roi_de_tous: nice posts ;)


Hippy Chic Says:

Mat4 im here too,sorry im late posting though,anyway sorry about Novaks wrist injury i hope its not too serious and hes on the mend soon after plenty of rest and rehab,it was a great win/performance from Roger who took the match to Nole,by rolling back the years playing some awesome tennis,Stan was equally impressive against David too,hope its a great final with both playing the way they have all week,im interested to see Roger playing Stan now as a GS whos usually his friends pigeon,although the dynamics are different now,and Stan has a more confident mind set now….


mat4 Says:

@Conty:

What did I write? Don’t they look smaller? Half an inch at least?


contador Says:

Not really a big bicep connoisseur, but : 2014 vs 2010

http://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/murray-berdych-suffer-shock-defeat-nadal-djokovic-stay-the-course/

scroll down to the second to last picture where he is lifting a fist in a similar pose.


mat4 Says:

Hi, Harry! Long time no write. T-x starts suddenly looking the way it did a few years ago. Just hope Dave won’t be coming back…


contador Says:

I said, matty4….”not really a big bicep connoissuer….” I genuinely don’t know, seriously. I just think the bicep has not changed much at all…depends on time of year maybe or what phase of rehab and training he is in.

2009

http://tennis.topbuzz.com/tennis-pics/v/rafael-nadal/Rafael+Nadal+shows+his+belly+button+as+he+lifts+and+hits+a+forehand.JPG.html


contador Says:

But there has been many changes is philosophy about what is best for rehab and recovery. Not at all angry, mat4 ; ) you are da bomb, man !

just wanted to make sure rafa fans got their bicep fix today.


contador Says:

in philosophy of what is best therapy for endurance training.

not: “is philosophy.

Bicep had me all flustered…for a second.


Giles Says:

Joker fans, one in particular, should worry about his wrist instead of Rafa’s biceps. Nothing better to post? He might be out for a loooong time so concentrate your posting efforts in that regard! Wonder how long BB will be around. Hope he sticks around!


Okiegal Says:

@Contador

Thanks for the bicep pic….I don’t see a change.
I guess the biceps are passing the AD tests too….now that’s refreshing! LL

@Mat4….thanks for welcoming me to the party. I have been posting for a year now but just got out of moderation 2 months ago. My posts would show up 2 or 3 hours later so I really couldn’t converse on topics…..comments showed up after the fact. Thought it was because I was a Rafa fan, but they finally let my posts show up immediately. I have enjoyed chatting with other fans because I have no friends who like tennis….so this has been fun for me. I don’t like all the hate that evolves out of this forum at times, but hate abounds everywhere, sadly…I deal with it!!


contador Says:

my pleasure, Okiegal.

What are AD tests? no, don’t answer.


Okiegal Says:

@Mat4

I will volunteer to measure Rafa’s biceps….no problem from me mon! OOPS, yes there is a problem with that…..I refuse to get on an airplane!! LOL


Okiegal Says:

@Contador

We will have to ask Mat4……I assume since its Nadal’s biceps that are in question, I would suppose the “D” stands for drug……I didn’t want to answer, but I did! Hate that topic as much as the animal issue! LOL


mat4 Says:

@Conty:

I even scrolled to the bottom of the page, where I saw something more interesting: “Top 15 hottest female tennis players in the world”…

Joking aside, they are huge — Rafa, JWT, Berdych, Raonic… And the training has tremendously changed.

@Okiegal:

Just to remind you that teasing other fans when your fav has won is de bonne guerre. ;-)

The only thing we can do now is “à mauvaise fortune bon coeur”.


mat4 Says:

@Okiegal:

Not what I wrote… And like men always do, I deny everthing.


contador Says:

It is not a topic for tennis-x, Okiegal. That is why I prefer changing the semantics to a less taboo description/explanation.

Do you know who Alberto Contador is?


harry Says:

@mat4: ha ha, yes… It would be nice to see grendel, WB, jane and others posting too… Honestly, i wouldn’t mind reading Dave’s posts too ;) Not sure if Nole is going to play Madrid (in 2 weeks).

@Conty: i see that you are fixated on biceps. So I think you will like this ;) Didn’t realize Gael had such big biceps…
http://tinyurl.com/msc4c9b

[In the twitter world]
While Carole Bouchard is eager for a Wawa-win (and reminds us once more of the “scale” of the Big4 dominance…):
Bouchard: “Sur les 36 derniers Masters 1000, le Big 4 en a remporté 34. 28 sur 29 depuis 2011. Wawrinka au défi !”

Patrick Mouratoglou plays “chillax” ;)
Mouratoglou: “Oui mais Stan est N°3 maintenant donc dans le Big Four.”


harry Says:

@Okiegal: Hi :-)


contador Says:

ah, nobody cares/nobody fell for it.
:(
—————
:D that is probably a good thing. otherwise my photo album of the Great One would be exhibit A. Never ask me who is he? When I ask, do you know Contador.

Hi Harry! thanks for sharing that link. small, extra large, and humongous.


Hippy Chic Says:

Harry do i get a hi?BTW nice to see you back posting,sorry about Novak hope the injury aint too serious….


harry Says:

Reading Tignor’s post a few days back (http://tinyurl.com/kzrswp6), I was reminded of this wonderful sketch:
http://tinyurl.com/pysyk6b


harry Says:

ha ha, HC, you do get one ;) thanks for your sympathies re Nole… (for nice fans like you) i do hope it is Rrrrafa-time soon…


Hippy Chic Says:

Harry your welcome and thanks for the link too :))….


harry Says:

@HC and Conty: You are welcome!

@Conty: I never cared for cycling, and so i don’t know much about Contador… I know you have written quite a bit about him over the years (here at T-X)…


Hippy Chic Says:

Harry i really wish Wogboy were here,as my mind to be honest has been more on Liverpool FC than it has been on Rafa Nadal lately,and i know hes also a huge fan,im really hoping that they dont stuff it up this year,this is the best chance they have had in years of winning the English Premier League….


contador Says:

harry – love monty python.

also, thanks for that, I was wondering – phew, my indent points are above my navel….hahahaha….


Tennis Fan Says:

Lots of young players with fabulous upside: Raonic…maybe one of the best bets going forward. His movement and volley are improving rapidly .. .it is only a matter of time before this guy wins a big event.

Dimitrov? Another strong bet for a break through. If he can keep his mind off of Sharapova and on his game this guy is going places soon.

Nishikori: Maybe some injuries this season … but I don’t know if his game is big enough anyway to be a top guy.

Jerzy Janowicz: Has real potential too. Too early to tell but don’t take his so lightly.

Ernests Gulbis: I like his aggressive game the last while. He could work himself into the mix if he can shake off his “family issues” and concentrate on the game. I’m not sure he has the commitment in the long-run.

Pospisil: This guy has real talent. I think if he can put on a couple more pounds of muscle and stay healthy he could become a fast rising threat on tour.

Dolgopolov: This guy has already demonstrated he has the skills and movement to be a star. This guy can make some serious noise starting this year. He certainly made Nadal look pretty ordinary in his last matchup.

There is lots of top talent coming … and coming soon.


mat4 Says:

@TF:

I watched Nadal vs Djokovic in Miami 2007 the other day. When I compare their game then, with what they produce now, the difference is very, very small: better shot selection, probably, better nerves in clutch situations, but it is very similar.

It was seven years ago.

Don’t be silly: all those players are about their top. Oh yes, they’ll be top ten players — Dolgopolov, Janowicz, Gulbis, Pospisil excepted…

They are not such stuff as champions are made of…


contador Says:

@Tennis Fan

Good list of names and insight.

I’ll add Dominic Theim to the Names. Not sure about Dominic being best friends with Gulbis and sharing Breznik as coach.

Maybe it is all media hype. They both disappeared from Monte Carlo first round. Maybe G-bus got one match.

Anyway, I think all the names you mention, with the exception of JJ , will be fun to watch.


harry Says:

@HC: yes, WB was fun to chat with ;)

@Conty: yes, Monty Python is hilarious… On the other hand i tried watching Fawlty Towers 3 or 4 years back and gave up (should give it a go one more time, though).

@mat4: Re Rafa, people are “concerned” for him too soon (for example: http://tinyurl.com/kqopaj6). Having 3 or 4 losses in a season till MC is normal for him (i’m looking at the stats from 2008 to now). The only surprising result is his MC-loss to Ferrer. Fun stat: Did you realize that there is not a single “vamos” in this thread, with nearly 250 comments in — ie I am the first one to use it ;)? The vamosistas are lying low…


mat4 Says:

@Harry,

In fact I did. I even asked where they are, since they never fail to notice when I am absent…

That’s also why I commented that the thread looked like in the times of lore, a few years ago.


mat4 Says:

About concerns: I am concerned about all the top players…

But… I just spoke this morning with my son’s coach. He said that the methodology of training has improved so much in the last few years — from the simplest exercises for beginners to the diet and the fitness et strength conditioning that it has been a revolution in itself.


harry Says:

@mat4: interesting that you talk about the improvement in diet, fitness, and strength conditioning being revolutionary… Two years back i thought Fed was joking when he said that he would play till 2016 Olympics. Now it is starting to look not-so-impossible — especially if he has a good year, this year… But it is a combination of them trying hard to remain fit, and age taking its toll (the reflexes, for example). So the player we refer to is a quasi-stationary process…


Okiegal Says:

@Harry

Hi, back at cha’ …….thanx for the shout out!!


skeezer Says:

mat4,
Diet is huge. We have had weightlifters and distance runners for decades, but combining the right exercises with the right diet is for sure an evolution. As an example, a plant based diet as been know to scientifically reduce the chances of heart decease and increase longevity in one’s life.
Short bursts in running and “soccer” exercises are the norm in the tennis game regiment, as well as light weights with many reps. I have seen weight machines specifically for Tennis players only. And of course now we have all this new tech that monitors it all. in the old days of Borg and Mac? Just play a lot of tennis to get in shape. Even Agassi was eating MCdonalds regularly in his early career before he met Gil who changed him into a world class athlete. Amazing stuff.


Okiegal Says:

@Contador

I do not know who Alberto C is. I will Google him.

@Mat4 3:51

You gonna have to speaka da language of my country…..is that French? Don’t have a clue what you are talking about….is it naughty or nice? Lol

@Mat4 5:19

“They are not such stuff as champions are made of”
I totally agree. I just don’t see the potential of these younger players like Tennis Fan does. They play lights out at times but they are not consistent. Those guys will never be what we have been used to for the past 8 or 9 years…imo.


contador Says:

Aw, you don’t have to do that, Okiegal. I was kidding. Okay maybe I wanted to point out my favorite Spaniard. But not here. Not now. :/

People where I live just give me weird looks when I start talking Tennis or cycling. Even if they play tennis and cycle, they are not going to know who is in the top ten in ATP beyond Rafa and Roger. And if they have watched or heard of Djokovic – they won’t know very much about him. They will however, know Serena Williams and Maria Sharapova and more WTA than ATP players.


Okiegal Says:

@Contador

You get weird looks……you should see the looks I get when I tell someone that I set the alarm and got up at 3:00 am to watch Rafa play Roger for 4 hrs…I get rolling eyes! Lol They think I’m nuts….I’m beginning to think so too. Keeping up with the AO is brutal……

#sleepytwoweeks


Okiegal Says:

@Contador

I figured out Alberto is a cyclist….never ever have watched that sport. The only thing I know about
Cycling is Lance Armstrong……should not have mentioned that, a very bad thing!


Margot Says:

@OK and Conty
U can see family and friends’ eyes glaze over and hear gentle snoring noises when I start talking about Andy. After a couple of hours I realise they have quietly slipped away and I am ALONE…;)


Klaas Says:

I once had a wrist tendonitis so severe, I could hardly turn a key. Fortunately I found somebody who knew how to cure it in a month.
Key is that wrist tendonitis is usually caused by tight muscles somewhere else, like shoulders or, in my case, back. These tight muscle groups put a stress on the wrist tendons. Remedy is to loosen them up and boost immune system, thereby giving your body a chance to heal it self. Total rest is not the answer, you have to keep your body working in order to improve blood flow.
It kind of worries me that Djokovic is getting medicine and shots to play through the pain, sounds like he is getting the wrong advice, and chances are that he will start playing matches too soon.
Objectively you have to realize that his clay season is pretty much shot, even if he makes it back to the FO, he will not be 100% match fit.


Okiegal Says:

@Margo

You are too funny……yeah, I’m alone too. My husband watched the Wimbledon final with Rafa and Roger, the super duper long one……He said I thought that would never be over! Lol He does appreciate the fact that these guys can make some amazing shots that you’re sitting there shaking head, “How did they just do that”? But he’s not a fan for sure!

#aloneandlovingit………I don’t want anything coming between me and my man……Rafa that is!

#jealoushubby


skeezer Says:

Fed breaks 3-2, looking strong early, loving those returns, he is hitting out.

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