2014 Wimbledon Seedings: Novak Djokovic, Serena Williams Grab Top Spots

It’s nice that a lot of player from 9-16 are dangerous, with the exception of Fogini (16) who won’t beat anybody. Who ever from the top 8 who gets him on his Round of 16 match will be the lucky.

For the Big 4, I think the ones who avoids Isner, Nishikori, Gulbis, Dimitrov and Janowicz will also be slight favored. They all can oplay on grass and have decent serves to cause some damage.

Tsonga can play on grass, so is Gasquet, but can’t see them beating one of the top 4 with their recent form.

So to me, a lucky draw for the Big 4 would have Foginin, Tsonga, Gasquet in Round of 16 and Ferrer or Raonic in Quarters.

But if we go case to case:

– In Nada’s case, Berdych in his quarters and Murray in semis (although some may argue that Fed would be better, because MUrrya is a defending champion, but Fed at least inflicted 2 losses to NAdal in Wimbledon and probably 1 of the 2 most devastating matches he ever lost, Wimby 2007 along with AO 2012). So, even Fed out of his prime I place hi as more a treat to Rafa than Murray.

– In Fed’s case, Ferrer in his quarters and Djoko in semis. But one can argue that having Nadal in semis could be good as he is no guarantee to be there due to his latest grass results.

– In Murray’s case, Raonic in his Quarters and Djoko semis.

– In Djoko’s case having Raonic or Berdych in his Quarters and Murray semis. As long as he don’t play Wawrinka in Quarters (although this is grass, but just looking to avoid a player who beat him in a Slam this year).

Of course, this on paper as upset may happen and the path clears.

June 18th, 2014 at 9:42 am

Isner, Nishikori, Gulbis – all overrated for grass. Its not about power or serve any more (Ivanisevic wouldn’t even make a final today) – its about movement. Very few players know how to move well on grass. That’s where the top 4 really stand out, and that’s where Fed really holds an edge. Balance is critical.

Lets see. The draw will change the odds of who gets how far. At the end of it all, I can’t see anyone other than the top 4 seeds winning. Stan at the AO was an aberration, as we are all finding out now.

We do need a new champion though. This is the oldest top 10 in the open era – even with Raonic in it (only one born in the 90s), the average age of the top 10 is now 28.

June 18th, 2014 at 10:31 am

Rafa is seeded #2, old Wimby formula comes into play. Can anyone tell me what the consequences are between being seeded 1 and #2? I would like some feedback please. TY

June 18th, 2014 at 11:07 am

Do I need to bring any manure for the tournament?

June 18th, 2014 at 11:16 am

@Giles – it really doesn’t matter if a player is seeded #1 or #2, as the #3 and #4 seeds are randomly assigned to the top and bottom halves, and the #5, #6, #7, and #8 seeds are randomly assigned to each of the quarters. So neither Djokovic nor Nadal really gained/lost from switching the #1 or #2 position due to the Wimbledon seeding formula as the probability of them playing Murray or Federer in the semis hasn’t changed.

June 18th, 2014 at 11:37 am

@Giles. Another Giles? Please change your moniker. TY
Thanx for your response. It’s just that the whole world is making such a fuss about the seedings that I thought there was an advantage for #1 over #2.
They do like to stir the pot!!
Thanx

June 18th, 2014 at 11:54 am

“Do I need to bring any manure for the tournament?”
No. This is not like playing in the the mud you like with the other Piggies. This is the real mans surface. Make sure your clothes are washed, and don’t forget to bring some personal grooming equipment for yourself, you’ll need it.
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Isner #9? Okie dokie.

June 18th, 2014 at 12:01 pm

@RZ
Think you explained the seeding procedure well. Except I have always been suspicious that they “place” the 3 and 4 seeds rather than “randomly place”. 1 seed is placed at the top and 2 seed is place on the very bottom….always.

June 18th, 2014 at 12:07 pm

Especially one little piggy that went out squealing wee wee wee all the way home after the fourth round.

June 18th, 2014 at 12:21 pm

Jonathan. Lol

June 18th, 2014 at 12:24 pm

^and someone else went squealing wee wee wee all the home after the first rd on Grass.

June 18th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

This may be Fed’s last legitimate shot a winning a major. If he doesn’t get it done here, I think that’s pretty much it for him as a major contender. The rest of the slams are too draining and physical. There isn’t much history to support players winning slams past the age of 32. This is one of those rare cases where it may be possible.

As for me, I’m picking Murray to defend. While everyone around him seems to be ebbing, his game seems to be going in the right direction.

June 18th, 2014 at 12:42 pm

Giles lol. skeezer, very original! kudos!

June 18th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

@Skeezer – you have a right to be suspicious. While #1 and #2 are always placed at the top and bottom respectively, the tournaments (or at least the slams) are supposed to randomly pick from #3 and #4 to place against #1, with the other being placed against #2. But a few years ago there were some observations that among the Big 4, the draws always seemed to be set up to get a Nadal-Federer final based on how Djokovic and Murray would be placed in the semis, and some were calling conspiracy. There was a video of a study presentation by a graduate student on this topic that Jon Wertheim posted in one of his Mailbags, but I couldn’t find it on a Google search and his list of columns doesn’t go back that far as I know it was before 2013.

June 18th, 2014 at 12:46 pm

13 straight non-clay majors with Nole in Fed’s half prior to 2012, a 0.01% (1/8192) random chance.

Nah, nothing to see here folks. Move along. Maths is hard.

June 18th, 2014 at 12:50 pm

Here is the video (12:00 minute mark):
http://tinyurl.com/blavguq

Here is her paper:
http://tinyurl.com/bn7rsqu

June 18th, 2014 at 1:00 pm

This little piggy in Oklahoma is squealing……give it a rest everyone! Okie dokey??

June 18th, 2014 at 1:02 pm

@jonathan – thanks for posting the links.

June 18th, 2014 at 1:10 pm

I agree with goat expert that wimbledon is more about movement than grass nowadays, which is why I’m so interested in Wawrinka. He doesn’t have a great grass history, but his movement is SO IMPROVED over last year, he is really a mystery.

I don’t know why people are still talking about Janowicz. He had one fluke run here and hasn’t done anything else in his career. Remember, the best player he beat in his Wimbledon run was Almagro. On grass, not such a huge accomplishment to be considered a real threat here.

June 18th, 2014 at 1:14 pm

daniel:
” In Nada’s case, Berdych in his quarters and Murray in semis (although some may argue that Fed would be better, because MUrrya is a defending champion, but Fed at least inflicted 2 losses to NAdal in Wimbledon and probably 1 of the 2 most devastating matches he ever lost, Wimby 2007 along with AO 2012). So, even Fed out of his prime I place hi as more a treat to Rafa than Murray.”

agreed, rafa was a nemesis to murray for 3 wimbledons. it’s a bad matchup for murray.

if nadal can’t serve properly, federer would have a very good chance. and he always has a server’s chance. federer is extremely hard to break off clay and particularly on grass. he was generally outplayed for his second final win over nadal but his serve kept him in it. the final nadal won was also only extended to five because federer couldn’t be broken for 2 sets. he only broke nadal’s relatively weak serve once in that match i believe. nadal broke him 4 times or something like that.

June 18th, 2014 at 1:34 pm

`but Fed at least inflicted 2 losses to NAdal in Wimbledon and probably 1 of the 2 most devastating matches he ever lost, Wimby 2007 along with AO 2012).

?!?

`So, even Fed out of his prime I place hi as more a treat to Rafa than Murray`

Oh Really?
For you to think that nearly 33 year old Fed is more of a threat than a peaking Murray is frankly delusional.
And why? Oh Wimbles 2007
2007 was 7 frickin years ago!
An auspicious moment to be sure, as it was also the last time he ever beat Rafa in a slam.
I get it that fed fans are desperate for him to get his last chance here but let’s be logical.
If he does somehow win 3 sundays from now it won’t be by getting through Rafa, that’s for sure.

June 18th, 2014 at 1:44 pm

^and someone else went squealing wee wee wee all the home after the first rd on Grass.
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Yea. My FO trophy was calling me. It’s so beautiful, I had no choice but to go home.

Other people don’t have that problem because their trophies, like them, are “old”.

June 18th, 2014 at 1:57 pm

Fed will be in Nadal’s half.

You can take that one to the bank.

June 18th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

Why do you say that?
Historically speaking he rarely is..
But if he is, are they hoping for a Fedal semi
lol

June 18th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

Other than the French Open (where Fed has avoided Nadal’s half for the last four years in a row, a 6% random occurrence), Fed has been paired in Rafa’s half in the last four non-clay majors when Rafa played, also a 6% random occurrence: 2014 Aussie, 2013 Wimbly/USO and 2012 Aussie all post Super Novak.

June 18th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

jonathan,
Thanks for those links.

June 18th, 2014 at 3:46 pm

Nadal becomes harder to beat at Wimbledon in the later rounds, since by then the grass has worn off and it becomes a bit like clay. Early on, green grass – he is very vulnerable. Lets face it, his game is not that great. But he is a smart tactician with tons of stamina and an amazing will to win.

This wimbledon seems to be the most unpredictable in a long time. Any predictions are useless. Nobody is the favorite. Djoke? Hardly, having lost 4 of the last 5 finals. Nadal? Hardly, given his struggles on grass especially in recent years. Murray? Hardly – with the monkey off his back, the motivation may be lacking, and he just lost first round at Queens. Federer? Hardly, he is too old, almost 33. Any one else? Hardly – hardly anyone other than the top 4 has won a major in the last decade.

So nobody is the favorite. this one will be decided by the luck of the draw and the form of the day.

June 18th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

An interesting stat. Seems to be a rare occasion where the last 11 Wimbledon champs (Federer 7 of them) are all still playing, and are all seeded in the top 4.

I don’t think that has ever happened before. I don’t think that has ever happened before at any other slam either (that the last 10+ champions are all seeded in the top 4, and each of the top 4 seeds is a past champion).

When was the last time each of the top 4 seeds at a slam was a past champion???

June 18th, 2014 at 4:28 pm

I also think Djokovic is this generation’s Lendl. Always facing the topmost competition in slam finals. Started his career with Federer at his prime, then went through Nadal and Murray at their prime. He doesn’t the luxury of having some years with an older guy as his main competition (like Nadal had with Fed).

Lendl constantly faced top level competition, starting with Borg, Mcenroe, Connors in the early 80s, to Wilander, Becker, Edberg during his and their prime years, to Sampras and Agassi in his waning years. The guy never got a break. No wonder he was 8-11 in slam finals.

Djoke is 6-7 in slam finals so far. All 7 of the losses are to Nadal (4), Murray (2) or Federer (1).

I think he will get there (8-11)!!!

June 18th, 2014 at 4:37 pm

Goatexpert Says:
Lets face it, his game is not that great.

THAT is an insult to Federer.

Let’s face it, anyone that sincerely believes Nadal’s game is not that great has tennis knowledge that is not that great.

June 18th, 2014 at 5:03 pm

Spain – OUT.

June 18th, 2014 at 5:16 pm

http://www.tourneytopia.com/RacquetBracketWimbledonATP/tennisxers/Pre-Register.aspx

June 18th, 2014 at 6:27 pm

skeezer Says:
Spain – OUT.
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I know why you follow my homeland. Enemy reconnaissance.

June 18th, 2014 at 6:55 pm

Let’s face it, anyone that sincerely believes Nadal’s game is not that great has tennis knowledge that is not that great.
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I don’t know where these so called experts come from. You cannot beat me on court. I own you rear end. Then you have the galls to say I have an ugly game. These guys belong to Skeeze’s Cat School of Moronology.

June 18th, 2014 at 8:42 pm

decided to go back to the tennis channel. Will also have scoring bonuses starting in the third round for picking upsets. Should we do WTA too?

June 18th, 2014 at 8:55 pm

goatexpert, thanks for some interesting posts. i’m inclined to agree with you here: “So nobody is the favorite. this one will be decided by the luck of the draw and the form of the day.”

June 18th, 2014 at 8:58 pm

goatexpert, great posts! Good parallel with Lendl. Very apt. Incredible stat, 4 top seeds are champions.
Well, all big 4 are US Open champions, but I don’t think Fed was in top 4 at 2013’s.
So we have to go pre-Rafa, at least. Hmm. Historically, top 4
s have excelled on different surfaces. For example, Kafelnikov and muster being in the mix with Sampras.
Here’s a thought. Agassi, Roddick, Federe, Hewitt, Safin and JC Ferrero all won US Open. So, some US open of early 200’s is my best guess.

June 18th, 2014 at 9:51 pm

My bad, JCF was a finals loser to Roddick at USO. I checked Wikipedia, and those early 2000’s US Opens come tantalizingly close to matching this stat.

June 18th, 2014 at 9:55 pm

I’m a big fan of that era- what a wild west men’s tennis was in the early 2000’s. Agassi and the New Balls generation, which didn’t even include Fed in its early marketing: Hewitt, Safin, Ferrero, Roddick plus Guga and Haas, and no one knew who would come out on top.
We haven’t seen that kind of claw fight in a long time.

June 18th, 2014 at 9:58 pm

But, Goatexpert, you are wrong that Rafa’s game is not special. I find his style a little boring myself, but he can do incredible things shot-wise that no one else has ever done.

June 18th, 2014 at 10:00 pm

Ok, can the Joker beat rafa on a true, hard surface. And Serena are you going to be serious or tank it to collect your appearance fee and get to your Hollywood/nyc parties? Remember the tennis is what got you there. Respect it

June 18th, 2014 at 10:20 pm

CDP,

I fancy more a 7th time Wimbledon champion who just won a 14th title on grass than Murray who lost all 3 matches on grass to Nadal, always folding, had a spanking in RG which the score didn’t reflect the losided match and seems to have a bigger mental issue with Nadal than Federer.

Until he actually beat Nadal at Wimbledon he will not be favourite. Not with the wayhe played last two matches.

June 18th, 2014 at 10:24 pm

@calmdownplease

“Oh Really?
For you to think that nearly 33 year old Fed is more of a threat than a peaking Murray is frankly delusional.”
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You mean the “peaking” Murray who failed to get to even the Quarters at Queen’s Club? This is “peaking”? Whilst Federer won Halle for the 7th time, and is said to be is less of a threat than THAT??? Oy vey…

And let’s be honest about Murray winning Wimbledon last year. The stars aligned for him in the greatest possible way; he was destined to win for a moment in history – but little of it had to do with his actual tennis. Murray never had to play anyone ranked inside the TOP 20 until the Final. Let that sink in. And even with a cake-soft Draw like that, he still found some rip currents. Down 2-Sets-to-Love to Verdasco; down a break in the 3rd Set to the mercurially insane Janowicz, and then managed to help Janowicz lose the match to him. If Murray had any class at all, he’d have sent a case of the finest Argentine Malbec to Del Potro, who basically cooked Djokovic’s resolve in their 5 Set SF. Plus, the two guys in his Draw who sent Murray home title-less at Wimbledon through the years both managed to lose before the 2nd Week. Fred Perry’s ghost was hard at work orchestrating the easiest half Murray could ever hope to find in a Major, then sent inspiration to Del Potro to make sure Djokovic was in fact the spent force he became. The moment for Murray was a gift to the UK from the netherworld. And little else.

June 19th, 2014 at 12:23 am

This is no surprise considering that Wimbledon follows its own seeding system for time immemorial and it is based on the current form of players and their previous performances at Grass court events. I think the early elimination at Halle went against Rafa and also the fact that his performance in the 2012 as well as 2013 Wimbledon editions were pretty woeful and lacklustre. This should have prompted the Authorities to breakway from the usual ATP ranking model and instead go ahead with their own ranking. Heart warmingly, the fabulous four have found their way in the top of Wimbledon rankings and that is some solace.

June 19th, 2014 at 12:26 am

Now, who holds the advantage at Wimbledon will be based on the draw. Currently, I would place Novak as the favourite followed by Andy, Rafa and Roger – necessarily in that order.

June 19th, 2014 at 12:28 am

I hear that new player, what his name… Dustbin Clown?

yes, I hear he is the new favorite for this Wimbledon. I almost wishing I play this year to claim my grand slam.

I’m kidding who? Fishing much more exciting than Wimbledull.

June 19th, 2014 at 12:46 am

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jun/17/john-mcenroe-andy-murray-wimbledon-defence

@Kimberly
Thanks for setting that up. As I’ve been watching some of the women’s matches, and know who some of them are lol, I’d be up for the women’s draw.
Some regulars like Hippy and conty, who do the challenges, seem to have disappeared. Hope it’s just temporary

June 19th, 2014 at 2:14 am

Voicemale1, what makes you think Fred Perry’s ghost would have orchestrated a Murray win? Like many top sportsmen, Perry was self-centred, and I suspect he would have been happy to think he’d remain the only British Wimbledon champion for ever.

I ask this light-hearted question because your posting does not merit a more serious response.

June 19th, 2014 at 4:56 am

thanks margot for the link i hope murray performs well

June 19th, 2014 at 5:00 am

`I fancy more a 7th time Wimbledon champion who just won a 14th title on grass than Murray who lost all 3 matches on grass to Nadal..`

Fed won Halle last year and was out in the 2nd round of Wimbledon.
Murray actually won it.
These are the facts.
Anyway, winning Queens and Halle is meaningless to Wimbledon success, as has been proven many times.

`You mean the “peaking” Murray who failed to get to even the Quarters at Queen’s Club? This is “peaking”? Whilst Federer won Halle for the 7th time, and is said to be is less of a threat than THAT???’

See above Einstein.

`Murray never had to play anyone ranked inside the TOP 20 until the Final..`

Yes, and then he `only` had to beat the World Number one,
which he did in straight sets. I’ve seen Fed get wins over players like Bagdhatis in slam finals and you’re complaining about THAT. All of the recent winners have had 5 set scares that they’ve had to find a way through, not just Andy.
And So what, thats good no? And who beat Fedal last year again?
Who took Nadal to 5 the year he won it?
Sure Novak came off a hard one with Del Potro, but he’s been there before including his 5 hours with Murray at the `12 AO. Which didn’t stop him playing the longest match ever against Nadal and finally winning.
Had Novak not played a difficult match would he have beaten Murray? Maybe, but more likely on this occasion he would have gotten just a set.
What was the reason he lost in straights at the olympics against Andy if he is better on grass, all things being equal.
The rest of your post is a somewhat embarrassing and irrational fortune teller type mish mash of nonsense, that I can’t even take seriously, and makes me wonder about your mental health.
If you had `any class` you would have come up with a better thought out post.
lol

June 19th, 2014 at 6:44 am

lol calmdownplease what a pathetic murraytard.No way Murray will fluke another Wimbledon.Deal with it.

June 19th, 2014 at 7:06 am

@Voicemale 1
You could equally say Nole owes Ferrer a magnum of champagne for knackering Andy and giving him blisters, at the AO a couple of years ago.
These things tend to even out.

June 19th, 2014 at 7:31 am

HEY……..WHAT THE HELL THEY WERE THINKING ? Andy murray has not win a single title in the last 12 months and he droped outside the top 4 and they dared placed the loser at NO 3 ahead of THE GOAT and STAN ? STAN won a slam and a masters title this year and he deserved to be ahead of the loser like federer deserved as he had a much better year so far. I know the seeds of wimbledon are not only based in world rankings but that’s UNFAIR to players who won their seed IN THE COURT and not because they are LOSER KNIGHTS

June 19th, 2014 at 7:31 am

@judee
My pleasure and thanks for good wishes for Andy.

June 19th, 2014 at 7:34 am

Ash. Life can be very unfair at times.
#DealWithIt

June 19th, 2014 at 7:35 am

Lol Ash, calm down please. It’s a formula they use EVERY YEAR. And I’ve read somewhere, at some point the players requested it, but can’t verify that.
BTW I also seem to remember a few years ago, Fed was seeded above Rafa, although Rafa was No 1 at the time. Of course, here again, my memory may be playing fast and loose.

June 19th, 2014 at 7:38 am

`lol calmdownplease what a pathetic murraytard.No way Murray will fluke another Wimbledon.Deal with it…`

Who the f**k are you?
Or what I should ask?

June 19th, 2014 at 7:55 am

`STAN won a slam and a masters title this year and he deserved to be ahead of the loser like federer deserved as he had a much better year so far..

Oh yes, NOW we are talking about flukes.
As for Federer’s `far better` year, jesus calmdownplease :)

June 19th, 2014 at 8:01 am

Lol Tennis X moderators. You publish a post with an obscenity, albeit masked in the form of f**k . Is that called fair moderating? I don’t think so!
That poster should be moderated in future.
Think about it!

June 19th, 2014 at 8:17 am

Ash, slight correction to your post.

Yes Murray was bumped above the Playa Formerly Known As Stanislaw, but he is still one spot below the GOAT as it should be.

June 19th, 2014 at 8:21 am

^^^ Stanislas (Coleslaw).

Beet Colin too the punch!!!

June 19th, 2014 at 8:33 am

`That poster should be moderated in future..`

What, are you the hall monitor or something?
Were you wagging your finger and tut-tutting at the same time?
lol

June 19th, 2014 at 8:46 am

Voicemale1,

Good point about Delpo helping Murray win Wimbledon last year. Murray owes Delpo BIG TIME. at the 2012 Olympics final, Delpo DRAINED a 31 year old Federer in the semi, so Murray won the final easily. in 2013, Delpo DRAINED Djoke, and Murray again took advantage of that.

Murray is not the real deal. Even players like Gaudio have won a slam. Murray has won two. No big deal. Murray will probably retire with two slams to his credit.

For me the interesting thing to look forward to in the hard court season is how Djokovic rebounds (if he does). And if some new guy really breaks through.

June 19th, 2014 at 10:42 am

Oh no, Goat Expert says Murray’s not the real deal!
What ever shall we do!
He’s also looked into his crystal ball and states there will be no more slams!
Sniffles.
No doubt if he does somehow get another slam it will be another fluke and if he ever beats Novak/Nadal/Fed its only because they were tired anyway.
Always TIRED.
hahahahaha

June 19th, 2014 at 12:12 pm

@ calmdownplease

“Yes, and then he `only` had to beat the World Number one,
which he did in straight sets. I’ve seen Fed get wins over players like Bagdhatis in slam finals and you’re complaining about THAT”
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I don’t know which is more ludicrous: you berating other people here as “fanboys” when you slobber, get yourself wet and like the boots of Andy Murray; or the very idea you make such slobbering bootlicking fool over a Junkballing Pusher like Murray. You get turned on by garbage wafting and puffballing he does? Really?? Ash is right, you are in fact a Murraytard. Which is the true comedy: that anyone can be that much a ‘tard for a player with more junk the a landfill ;).

June 19th, 2014 at 12:30 pm

^^Another useless post.
Instead of coming up with arguments that most people with a rational mind could at least attempt, you break down into silly nonsense. When I first came on here It seemed you fancied yourself as some kind of tennis intellectual, now look at you!
And I think we all know who the band wagon jumping fanboys here are.
Voice `male`.

June 19th, 2014 at 12:41 pm

I think that if Rafa can get through the first couple of rounds, he will be there a the end. I think that a couple of stern (but not marathon-like) early matches could be just what the doctor ordered. He gets some time to get used to the surface gets some belief back on grass.

As for grass being a cow pasture or whatever a certain blogger wants to call it,I say this. If the surface is so bad, give back your two SW19 trophies and reduce your slam count to 12.

Grass is as legitimate as any surface. It may in fact be the most legitimate of all surfaces. Historically speaking, grass has rewarded the players with the most complete games. Federer, Sampras, Becker, Borg, Laver etc. Those aren’t farmers were talking about. These are all time greats of the game. Legends in fact.

June 19th, 2014 at 12:48 pm

Interestingly, for most of the great players of the past, red clay has proven to be the most difficult surface to overcome because it doesn’t reward great shotmaking the way grass and hard courts do.

Rafa and Borg are the only two “GOAT” candidates that can truly lay claim to being dominant on red clay. All the rest have been far better at Wimbledon.

June 19th, 2014 at 12:52 pm

@ calmdownplease

“And I think we all know who the band wagon jumping fanboys here are.”
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We do. And I’ve called you out as the most unctuous among them.

June 19th, 2014 at 1:15 pm

The Wimbledon seeding formaula has been in place since 2002. Get over it.

Hmm… this voicemale1 character is very familiar. Different name, same style. It has been quite a while – probably too traumatized to post during 2013. Understandably.

June 19th, 2014 at 1:42 pm

Projection.
Whatever, but anyone that comes on here and endlessly blabs away about Fed’s 17 slams and untouchable records while simultaneously getting into fights with Fed fans about how wonderful Rafa is (14 slams!)too. And yet seems to lack any articulate arguments about the tennis of either(other than regurgitating tennis records & results), is probably a glory hunting, bandwagon jumping fan boy.
End of.
But props for the word `unctuous`, it’s quite intellectual looking. lol

June 19th, 2014 at 1:51 pm

@Margot at 7:31 am

Good one. Or how about Federer sending Andy a jeroboam for knocking Rafa out of the 2008 US Open in that match which had to played over 2 rain-soaked days?

For anyone doubting Andy’s grass court credentials, he’s the only member of the big 4 to make the Wimby SF (or better) every year since 2009. Also:

Best grass-court winning percentages:

1.Roger Federer 87.4

2.Andy Murray 83.1

3.Rafael Nadal 78.1

4.Novak Djokovic 77.9

http://espn.go.com/tennis/wimbledon14/story/_/id/11093203/wimbledon-roger-federer-big-four-lead-way-grass-courts

June 19th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

“The Wimbledon seeding formula has been in place since 2002. Get over it”.
That doesn’t mean it is right or fair. Time they changed the stupid formula.

June 19th, 2014 at 2:21 pm

@Margot and Kimberly –

Looking forward to the Wimbledon Tennis-x bracket pool for ATP and WTA *waves*

Where is Hippy Chic?

June 19th, 2014 at 2:39 pm

http://www.tourneytopia.com/RacquetBracketWimbledonWTA/kimberly/Pre-Register.aspx

Here is the WTA bracket challenge. ATP is listed in my earlier post!

June 19th, 2014 at 2:44 pm

@ calmdownplease:

“And yet seems to lack any articulate arguments about the tennis of either(other than regurgitating tennis records & results), is probably a glory hunting, bandwagon jumping fan boy.”
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This tripe coming from someone who apparently fancies themselves as someone who in fact possesses tennis articulation (which is laughable enough). We all got a sniff of such “articulate” (read: self aggrandizing) tennis analysis when declaring that his beloved Murray was in fact “peaking” for Wimbledon, having just failed to reach even the Quarters at Queens Club, a tournament where he was the defending titlist (talk about projection LOL). Leaps in logic of this magnitude are normally seen from those who steadfastly believe in a flat earth, Santa Claus, and The Tooth Fairy. Still, your mindless ankle-biting and MurrayTard-ness are amusing to read.

June 19th, 2014 at 3:01 pm

`having just failed to reach even the Quarters at Queens Club..`

Oh, so what?
Fed has won Halle and all of a sudden it’s become the `fifth slam` to his fringe loonies.
It has no bearing on anything whatsoever and Federer will not be winning Wimbledon just because he won a 250 event.
But let’s take a closer look, so he won a 250 grass now he’s a fav for Wimbledon, which he was knocked out of last time in the 2nd round, after winning the very same 250 tournament in 2013.
Well, that’s not much of a track record now is it?
Oh and I said aiming to peak, training and performance wise, which is obviously true.
The other peaking was about age, you know 27/33.
Ie one is old in tennis years?
It’s not that hard to work out you know.

June 19th, 2014 at 3:35 pm

*Waves* back to Conty. Good to see u gal.:)
Hope Hippy will be back soon too.

June 19th, 2014 at 3:46 pm

@calmdownplease Dont talk about other Greats without doing your homework. Just wish for luck for murray keep your fingers crossed.

June 19th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

Don’t worry vinod, I respect Federer.
But some of his fans…give me pause.

June 19th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

it’s laughable that everyone is expecting ridiculous results from roger when he is approx 4- 5+ years older than the rest of the “big four” (what a useless term).

does he have a chance? of course. so does everyone else. but it’s not as if he has anything to prove at this stage in his career. we all know he’s fighting time.

since nadal got schooled by someone he’d regularly eat for dinner at Halle and didn’t even make it out of the first round of Wimby last year, i’d say he has way more to prove. so does murray as defending champ. might be even more pressure than finally winning it last year.

June 19th, 2014 at 5:11 pm

@calmdownplease:

“It’s not that hard to work out you know”
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What isn’t hard to work out is how precious little you understand about tennis. That much is easy.

June 19th, 2014 at 6:36 pm

Yes VM1,
Firstly, your whiplash wit, so devastating.
And it’s true!
If I did understand at least a little about tennis, I would be frantically extolling the virtues of that other great grass tourney like you and your friends are..
What’s it called?
Oh yes;

H-A-L-L-E!

June 19th, 2014 at 7:49 pm

Bracket pickers—–be aware I have added a scoring bonus, starting in the third round correct picks will be rewarded with the allotted number of points and the seed number added as a bonus. Unseeded players are worth 33 points. This rewards the people that have the cojones to pick a few upsets and helps create a more competitive atmosphere with different looking brackets!

June 19th, 2014 at 8:52 pm

@calmdownplease:

“If I did understand at least a little about tennis, I would be frantically extolling the virtues of that other great grass tourney like you and your friends are..”
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As opposed to your extolling of a Round of 16 loser while defending his title and describing this as “peaking”? As I said. What you understand about tennis (in actuality) can be put into a thimble. With plenty of room to spare.

June 20th, 2014 at 12:08 am

@ calmdownplease:

“But some of his fans…give me pause”
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Unfortunately not enough pause for you to shut up.

June 20th, 2014 at 12:10 am

I already explained to you what I meant airhead, but do carry on :)

`Unfortunately not enough pause for you to shut up.`

As if I would shut up for the likes of you
hahahahaha!

June 20th, 2014 at 6:36 am

@Jonathan. You called it. Fed in Rafa’s half! Well done!

June 20th, 2014 at 7:00 am

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2014-06-20/mens_draw.html

A professional viewpoint on the draw, who is playing who and the players who lurk, nastily in the corner!

June 20th, 2014 at 7:45 am

Thank you Giles.

Simple observation and deduction.

Seein a plethora of 30+ yr olds and/or clay specialists (Lorenzi qualifies as both!) in Fed’s section along with nothing but hard servers in Nadal’s is nothing new either.

June 20th, 2014 at 11:59 am

Giles Says:

“Rafa is seeded #2, old Wimby formula comes into play. Can anyone tell me what the consequences are between being seeded 1 and #2? I would like some feedback please. TY”

Not much, other than pride. Back in the day a lot of clay court specialists like Guga would boycott Wimbledon because of the ranking system not recognizing him as the world no 1. It doesn’t bother Rafa though. I think he won it as World no. 1 but 2nd seed in 2010.

I still think that if Rafa and Novak meet in the final, it will be Novak walking onto the court first, ahead of Rafa.

June 21st, 2014 at 2:44 am