2014 Wimbledon Men’s Final Open Thread: Roger Federer v Novak Djokovic
by Staff | July 6th, 2014, 8:32 am
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In just their second meeting in a Major final, Roger Federer will meet top seed Novak Djokovic for the 2014 Wimbledon men’s title. Federer seeks a record-breaking 8th Wimbledon title, 18th overall. While Djokovic, who has lost his last three Grand Slam finals, bids for a second Wimbledon and 7th Slam of his career.

This is the 35th meeting between Djokovic and Federer. This is the equal-3rd most matches played in a head-to-head at Tour-level in the Open Era.

This is Djokovic and Federer’s 12th Grand Slam encounter which equals the record for most meetings at the majors.

This is just the 2nd Grand Slam final meeting between Djokovic and Federer – their only previous meeting at this stage of a major came at the 2007 US Open, where Federer won in straight sets. This is also just their 2nd grass court meeting after Federer won their only previous grass court match in the semifinals at 2012 Wimbledon.

This is their 10th meeting in a Tour-level final overall. Djokovic has won 5 of their 9 previous meetings in Tour-level finals, including most recently at 2014 Indian Wells-1000.

Federer and Djokovic are both former Wimbledon champions. Five former Wimbledon champions started the event here – defending champion Murray lost in the quarterfinals, 2-time champion Nadal lost in the round of 16, and 2002 winner Lleyton Hewitt lost in the 2nd round.

This is the first Grand Slam final since the 2009 US Open not to feature either Nadal or Andy Murray.

NO. 1 NOVAK DJOKOVIC (SRB) v NO. 4 ROGER FEDERER (SUI)
Head-to-head: Federer leads 18-16

Top seed and 2011 Wimbledon champion DJOKOVIC is bidding to win his 7th Grand Slam title and join John McEnroe and Mats Wilander in joint-8th place on the list for most Grand Slam singles titles in the Open Era.

If Djokovic wins his 7th Grand Slam title at 2014 Wimbledon he will be the 4th oldest player to win 7 titles at the majors in the Open Era:

Djokovic is bidding to win his 2nd Wimbledon title and become the 11th male player to win multiple Wimbledon titles in the Open Era after Roger Federer (7 titles), Pete Sampras (7), Bjorn Borg (5), Boris Becker (3), McEnroe (3), Jimmy Connors (2), Stefan Edberg (2), Rod Laver (2), Rafael Nadal (2) and John Newcombe (2).

Djokovic is looking to become the 3rd different man to win multiple Wimbledon titles without having contested a grass court warm-up event after Borg (1976-80) and today’s opponent (2007, 2009). The last time he contested a grass court warm-up event was at 2010 Queen’s. In 2011, he became the last man to win the Wimbledon title without having contested a grass court warm-up event.

7-time champion FEDERER is bidding to become the first man to win 8 Wimbledon singles titles. Martina Navratilova (9) and Helen Wills Moody (8) are the only women to have won 8 or more singles titles here.

Federer is also bidding to become the second man in history to win 8 titles at any Grand Slam event. Rafael Nadal became the first man to achieve this feat by winning his 8th Roland Garros title in 2013.

By winning his 17th Grand Slam title at 2012 Wimbledon, Federer extended his lead at the top of the all-time Grand Slam titles list in men’s tennis. Bidding for his 18th major title here in London, he now targets the records of the 5 women who have won more Grand Slam singles titles:

At 32 years, 332 days Federer is bidding to become the oldest man to win Wimbledon in the Open Era. The oldest man to win Wimbledon in the Open Era is Arthur Ashe who was 31 years 360 days old when he won the title here in 1975. The only woman older than Federer to have won Wimbledon in the Open Era is Martina Navratilova.

Federer, who won 2012 Wimbledon aged 30 years, 335 days, is looking to become the fifth man in the Open Era to win 2 or more Grand Slams titles after turning 30. Andre Agassi was the last man to achieve the feat, winning the Australian Open in 2001 at 30 years, 274 days and again aged 32 years, 272 days in 2003.
(ITF)

SUNDAY WIMBLEDON MEN’S FINAL SCHEDULE
CENTRE COURT – 2:00PM
1. Novak Djokovic (SRB) [1] v Roger Federer (SUI) [4]
2. Max Mirnyi (BLR) [14] / Hao-Ching Chan (TPE) [14] v Nenad Zimonjic (SRB) [15] / Samantha Stosur (AUS) [15]

BOVADA ODDS
Novak Djokovic 1.61 v Roger Federer 2.35

WEATHERUNDERGROUND WIMLBLEDON FORECAST
Partly cloudy. High around 70F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph.

U.S. TELEVISION SCHEDULE
ESPN has live coverage starting at 9am Saturday morning. ESPN3.com will offer live streaming.

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416 Comments for 2014 Wimbledon Men’s Final Open Thread: Roger Federer v Novak Djokovic

gannu Says:

Feddy bear.. Do something..posion Djokovic, kidnap him…do whatever but please win…;-)

I have called the ambulance, the doctors etc… I can suffer a stroke any moment ;-))

Well on a serious note Djoker is an ultimate fighter…

I hope Feddy bear u win this …I will not ask anything from u in future ;-)

Madmax, skeeeze Fed fans – lets all support our man…


Hippy Chic Says:

^Even some Rafa fans are getting behind Roger^….


FedExpress Says:

Chris Evert is talking so much shit

like feds last chance to win, wont win another

the so called experts have a habit to write fed off


FedExpress Says:

brad gilbert has concerns but still gives three ticks.#whereisthelogic


jatin Says:

Hey guys.. Are you excited ?
I definitely am.


FedExpress Says:

i am a nervouse wreck now


gannu Says:

fed express same here.. I am shivering… every point roger loses I start panicking ;-)


jatin Says:

Djoker is looking better wo far. 1-1


jatin Says:

^^
So


Polo Says:

I can’t breathe.


Polo Says:

Has Federer won any point off Djokovic’s serve yet?


jatin Says:

Yup in the first game


FedExpress Says:

first ace of the day


FedExpress Says:

deuce


FedExpress Says:

service winner


jatin Says:

Djoker is pushing Roger


Hippy Chic Says:

Novak seems to have the edge in the rallies,Roger needs to keep the points short….


FedExpress Says:

forhand winner for 4-4

all nole services clean but one hiccup could ruin all work

come on fed


FedExpress Says:

tense from nole

15-30 come on nole


jatin Says:

5-4.. Great serving by Roger


FedExpress Says:

first serve out by miles


jatin Says:

^^
.. Novak


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Roger seems to be slowly warming up to the match. He started to be over aggressive and found few counter punching shots came back from Novak. He needs to find balance between caution and aggression.

So far his serve has saved him, which is not a good sign.


FedExpress Says:

15-30 on rogs serve

danger times


Okiegal Says:

Who wins a TB between these two? Anyone have any stats on this…..providing there is one? Looks very possible at this point in the match!


FedExpress Says:

30-30 great rally from federer


FedExpress Says:

that backhand from rog looked out

but roger made the point anyway


FedExpress Says:

ohhh roger

what a sitter missed


FedExpress Says:

what a point from roger

who says he cant play from back off the court


jatin Says:

Wow.. Amazing rallies.

Go fed
5-5


Polo Says:

Beaitiful shots but each one that Djokovic hits well makes me die a little.


Okiegal Says:

Seeing some grinding today……which I love!
Magnificent points! TB here I come!!


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Huge confidence booster for Roger, winning that game with few baseline rallies going his way.


jatin Says:

What a shot by Roger.. Wow


Polo Says:

Very respectful and fair spectators.


jatin Says:

Novak not giving an edge..
6-5


FedExpress Says:

fed come on


FedExpress Says:

fed is serve and volleying too much for my liking


jatin Says:

Tie breaker time


FedExpress Says:

2-0 federer


jatin Says:

3-0 fed


FedExpress Says:

3-2

important service coming up


FedExpress Says:

4-2 federer

come on


FedExpress Says:

4-3 mini break back to nole

oh man


FedExpress Says:

4-4 man fed two BH errors


FedExpress Says:

5-4 nole

federer has to hold now


jatin Says:

Not looking good
5-4 nole


van orten Says:

wow well done fed.. choking the lead in the breaker away..incredible


Polo Says:

Noooo!


FedExpress Says:

5-5

my heart was in my mouth


van orten Says:

no first serve since 3-0


FedExpress Says:

oh fed

open court

mishit

set point for nole


Polo Says:

My heart just broke.


van orten Says:

well done roger …u made it happen ..nole respect for accepting feds gifts


FedExpress Says:

saved


Polo Says:

Bad returns by Federer.


FedExpress Says:

set point for fed with 2 huge serves


jatin Says:

Cooooommmmmmm onnnnnnnnnnnnn


FedExpress Says:

COME ON COME ON
ALLEEZ ALLEEZ

VAMOS VAMOS fed


Polo Says:

What a way to mend my broken heart.


Hippy Chic Says:

1ST set Federer go Federer….


John Says:

comeonnnmnnn!!!!!!!!yess!!!!!!!


tfouto Says:

Yes!

Great game so far. Hope Federer keep the same level…


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Roger did not play great tennis, but played tenacious tennis to win the first set.

Novak played some of his best tennis and Roger a tenacious one but not his best yet. Still Roger could come up on top. Interesting how things could get, if Roger starts to play better, which he definitely can.


van orten Says:

vamoossssss why always producing grey hair to ur dear fans


FedExpress Says:

30-30


Nirmal Kumar Says:

For a set winner, most important game is the first one of the new set. That’s where the momentum can change quickly.


van orten Says:

vintage fed..winnning first set and get broken right away in second


FedExpress Says:

break point nole after being 0-30 down

and saved chume jetzte from fed


tfouto Says:

Federer concentrate please…


FedExpress Says:

another break point

dont come to the net too much fed


van orten Says:

fed is not playing near his best.. nole should have won that first set ..but this is tough to watch..the same pattern as always


FedExpress Says:

come on another saved


van orten Says:

nole zero taking advantage …


FedExpress Says:

@van orten just shut up

the better player won the set

and nole down


van orten Says:

he needs to play more aggressive when first serve in ..


FedExpress Says:

where are the first serves


FedExpress Says:

epic first game for fed


FedExpress Says:

fed not serving comfortable out there but he holds at least

may the tumble had an effect on nole? no signs just yet


Hippy Chic Says:

Great match BTW….


FedExpress Says:

nole called for trainer


FedExpress Says:

fed dont lose the serve


FedExpress Says:

an injured nole 30-0 up. faking an injury


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Roger, rather than raising his level, lowering it now on his serve. He should not letup the rhythm. Novak is a supreme rhythm player and once you give him, it would take time to get it back. Couple of sets could fly off pretty quickly.


FedExpress Says:

fed isnt holding with ease anymore like he did thorughout the championship

if he has to serve for the championship i have my doubts already


FedExpress Says:

BP nole

i dont understand this


FedExpress Says:

break nole

bad play from fed really


tfouto Says:

Federer is playing OK. But nole is making some errors.

Break…

Silly Federer…


jatin Says:

What a way to lose your serve


van orten Says:

djoker returning first serves as if they were second serves ..fed broke hisself though in that one…incredible how djoker returns first serves though ,..but again fed had game point only to be broken..why always the hard way


FedExpress Says:

nole is faking


Rick Says:

Nole is hopeless! He only had 1 good year on the tour! And he always has problems with the old man, if its Rafa or Murray would already had the old ass butt kicked. Things are pretty much back to normal since 2011. Nole always the bridemaid to Rafa and Fed for the GS!


Polo Says:

Feel sick again! Roger, fight harder!


FedExpress Says:

fed could have been a set and break down


FedExpress Says:

fed u shoud have made that BHDTL


FedExpress Says:

noles level had to drop at some point of time


FedExpress Says:

oh fed

that was ur point


FedExpress Says:

too many passing shots hit


van orten Says:

of course he is faking ..but feds fault for letting him go away with it


FedExpress Says:

that was DF before the game point surely


Kevin Says:

How do you choose someone to cheer for?

You have to sympathize with Nole for having lost his last 3 slam finals. But then how can you cheer against Fed?

Fed can me more fun to watch with his variety. But then you want to see that flawless tennis that Nole can produce.

I think I’ll be cheering for whoever is currently down in the match. Like watching your kids compete against each other.


FedExpress Says:

federer cant get enough from the net


Polo Says:

Choosing someone to cheer for is easy for me when Fecerer plays.


Polo Says:

Break here now, please.


FedExpress Says:

fed break him please

u should know that he is not 100%


Okiegal Says:

I think deep down, Van Orten is a fan of no one…just saying…..


tennisfansince76 Says:

Hmm the reason Fed is shakier is he is playing against the best return in the game. No previous opponent could pressure his service game like Djokovic can.


van orten Says:

error after errror


tennismonger Says:

@Kevin -
I’m a bit on the fence myself – a shame someone will lose today…

Stefan Edberg once said (when it happened to him), “I wouldn’t wish losing back-to-back French & Wimbledon finals on my worst enemy.”

Maybe he’s on the fence too!


Rick Says:

Edberg wouldn’t win a GS in the 90′s! If players in the old days, can make passing shots like now!


van orten Says:

i am a rafa fan deep down .


FedExpress Says:

feds return are aweful


tennismonger Says:

Shake it off Fed…don’t let this set go yet!


FedExpress Says:

rogers serve has been shaky all afternoon


Humble Rafa Says:

Though I am a scholar and gentleman, seeing the Arrogant One lose serve after winning the first set, brought a smile to my Humble Face

#afteralltheseyears#


Okiegal Says:

Roger is down with that serve today and the whole tournament, for that matter.


FedExpress Says:

fed what happnened. missing the simple shots


Giles Says:

Lol. Fedfans saying joker is faking!!


FedExpress Says:

nole is redirecting the ball really well


tennismonger Says:

Nole’s cracking ‘em – grinding Fed down a bit…


van orten Says:

well well no one thought or believed this would be a straight set affair. so no problem about splitting first two sets


FedExpress Says:

nole has to drop his level. When will the lapses arrive


van orten Says:

but the break still hurts because it was absolutly unnecessary


jatin Says:

Relax guys. Roger can still raise his level


Rick Says:

Fed is shakier, simply because he is old! He only has his chance only if it is an easy match or the stadium’s roof is closed! Or he would get tired. Not Nole!


Humble Rafa Says:

Good news is the Arrogant One gets to serve first in the third set and start off on a losing note.

#strangebenefits#


FedExpress Says:

break pint federer
come on make it count


FedExpress Says:

saved, ball way too short


Humble Rafa Says:

break pint federer
come on make it count

Funniest thing I have heard today.


jatin Says:

6-4 nole
still feel fed will win this in 4 as I predicted


van orten Says:

fed has break point to even the score but no no taking that chance would be too simple…nole takes the set because he had more guts in that set simple as that. fed cannot win without fightin for it and more importantly taking his chances when he has them…nole deserved that set not because he played better but fed was just plain


FedExpress Says:

roger made way too many uf errors


Polo Says:

Sad now. Exhausted, too. A bit like how Federer feels at the moment. He is starting to slow down after that outstanding first set. I will now prepare myself to accept Roger losing this Wimbledon.


tennismonger Says:

Nole’s alive & kicking! Take some deep breaths Fed…


Rick Says:

Fed is the better player. But he is aged, exhausted already when winning first set.


van orten Says:

i dont accept anything but i expect if feds gets broken again it will be as always leading 30:0 or 40:15 just to get broken by 3 unforced errors by his side


FedExpress Says:

why serve and volley fed

it is predictable now


tennismonger Says:

I’m watching on ESPN3 – Connors is doing the commentary.

Same for ESPN?


FedExpress Says:

from 40-0 to 40-30


jatin Says:

Great hold
1-0


FedExpress Says:

nole making fed run


Humble Rafa Says:

Great hold
1-0

Better words were never spoken at the start of a set.


ertorque Says:

Novak is superior in rallies. So if both serve well, chances is that Novak will triumph. Unless, Novak committs more errors………….


FedExpress Says:

nole changes the direction so quickly its insane


Humble Rafa Says:

If you are Arrotard, order the ambulance, take your pills and pray to your favorite God (no, not him but the real one).

When his career is over, it is be better for your health and relationships.


jatin Says:

Humble rafa
Time for some coffee break. Go have it and RELAX. :)


Daniel Says:

Fed holds 2 first games with ease, contrary to second set. If he protect his service games he can create more on Djoko’s game. At least he had a BP on Djoko’s game in final game second set.
Fed serving first the pressure will be on Djoko later on in the set. Still opnpen with slight advantage to Novak if the match gest too long.


Humble Rafa Says:

Go have it and RELAX. :)

I am having fun, trust me.


Hippy Chic Says:

What on earth does the usually gorgeous Hugh Jackman look like,dear me please grow your hair back,and get rid of that horrendous mustache please?


FedExpress Says:

how rog cannot handle noles serve when he can ranics


van orten Says:

some bizarre unforced errors and first serve returning not really there today .. he needs tie breaker . i hope he gets there


Daniel Says:

Thematch is quite long actually, at 1h 48 min for 2 and a half sets on grass.


tennisfansince76 Says:

Djoker serving very well this match


Hippy Chic Says:

Fed needs to protect his service games a little better….


Daniel Says:

Fed needsto aply this one punch tennis on his games. Reduce speed of first serve and have a high perdentage. Quick perfect game for 3-2


jatin Says:

Great hold


tennisfansince76 Says:

@fedexpress because against atomic he is just trying to get the ball back in play and figure if he can do that he is in good shape. Against Nile the return must set him up.


van orten Says:

great linesman instead of 0:30 15:15


Hippy Chic Says:

That was a bad call,Roger robbed there….


FedExpress Says:

yep

30-30 come on rog


jatin Says:

Unlucky fed.


van orten Says:

3 unforced error on return. impossible to break that way ..


Humble Rafa Says:

I can offer some advice here. When you have trouble returning, hit high above the net with a lot of spin, run like a rabbit and wait for the other guy to make a mistake.

Works every time for me.


Polo Says:

If they keep playing at this same level, Novak is going to win.


jatin Says:

Roger still has a game to win
4-3


tennisfansince76 Says:

Both guys rock solid on serve. Who will blink first?


FedExpress Says:

4-4 fed hold now


jatin Says:

4 aces in a row for fed. Wow


FedExpress Says:

four aces in a row

wow just wow


Daniel Says:

Yes, this set seems more like grass pkay, both comanding on serve.
Wow, Fed4 aces in a row, perfect unreal game for 5-4.
Seems this will go to a tiebreak and Fed is eager to go.


tennisfansince76 Says:

4 ace game wow


Nirmal Kumar Says:

This set so far looks pretty much a grass court tennis, which the first 2 sets was not. Both are dominating in serve and Roger throwing in odd forecourt play to add variety.

It would be a pity if Roger loses this set, after holding comfortably so far, but I hope this does not go the way the 1st set went, when Novak was holding comfortably, but could not finish the set on top.


Humble Rafa Says:

4 ace game wow

I have another interesting activity that you will enjoy. Watching paint dry.


Rick Says:

How well Nole returning! Put alot of pressures on Fed’s serve. So double faults are expecting! Fed is trying not to get into long rallies with younger guys, so he serve and volley alot this Wimbledon!


FedExpress Says:

fed is guessing wrong every time


jatin Says:

Novak special shot


FedExpress Says:

federer is getting passed at will


van orten Says:

bizarre attacking now ..hope for a tiebreaker


Daniel Says:

Djoko’s passing shots are amazing. Both at high level of play. Great match


ertorque Says:

chip and charge doesn’t work against joko. His ball control is too good!


Nirmal Kumar Says:

No one can criticize Roger for not playing aggressive in this match, just that Novak could answer back most of the questions.


jatin Says:

Humble rafa
No thanks :)


Daniel Says:

Painting the lines. Deu e. Fed needs serves


FedExpress Says:

break point nole wtf


Eric Says:

This would already be over if it weren’t for Federer’s serving. Djokovic is playing scary well.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Those 3 passing shots seems to have put some psychological scar on Roger now. He needs to get out of it quickly.


Daniel Says:

Another BP. Oh no…


van orten Says:

credit to nole ..fed is just mentally so weak today ..gosh why


van orten Says:

vamoooossssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Roger still hanging on, only because of his serve.


Daniel Says:

Agreed Eric. Fed needs to still tiebreak


Hippy Chic Says:

Ive never heard Federer be so vocal….


Rick Says:

Joker is hopeless, if it is Murray or Rafa will be thumping Fed like silly in this final!


van orten Says:

this is so gooodd vamos roger fight for it fightttttt lucha carajo


Daniel Says:

3 seves to save the game. Djoko serving to force another breaker.


Polo Says:

I feel like I’m just torturing myself by watching yet I cannot look away.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

So many second serves for Roger to get a look into Novak’s service game. He is not taking advantage yet.


FedExpress Says:

man i wont survive another TB


Daniel Says:

Djoko return on Fed’s feet. Mini break Djoko


FedExpress Says:

why serve and volleying


tfouto Says:

So badly played… Federer focus…


Daniel Says:

Djoko’s body languafge is way better in this match. He is more compose


FedExpress Says:

wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


Daniel Says:

BD luck Djoko the ball tuched the line. Point Federer.


Daniel Says:

Djoko 2 serves to clse the set. Fed will need some magic or second serves


Polo Says:

Why why why such awful errors, Fed?


ertorque Says:

it’s impossible now for Federer!


jatin Says:

It’s over ?


tfouto Says:

This game is lost to Federer… Too bad…


Eric Says:

Fed simply has nothing to threaten Djokovic with except his serve. I hope Roger somehow squeaks by in sets 4 and 5, but, it’s not gonna happen. This match is over. Congrats to Novak, never thought he would Roger look so helpless.


van orten Says:

ok folks nole needed someone like fed to win again a major as he failed poorly to deliver vs nadal ..nadal laughing out loud at the beach..fed is soo a gifterrrrr ..incredible how he lost that breaker againnnnn …congrats nole..fed got the job done …what a miserable performance when it mattered..nole now u can lose again next 5 slam finals vs nadal..u had roger today so thank god


Polo Says:

The younger Federer served better, volleyed better, hit his forehand better and moved better. Time, you’re so cruel.


Daniel Says:

Djoko 2-1. Dam
Think this is over for Fed.
Maybe his ou ky Slams will not have Djoko or Nadal on the other side. This time one fell maybe in the future both will (hard to see).

Fed still has a chance as he is serving superb. But Djoko will ser e first the fourth and if Fed only managed one game where he had BP on Djoko’s serve so he has to break first otherwise he will feel the pressure later on in this set and Djoko with his return can always pressure.


Hippy Chic Says:

Oh dear,it will be hard for Roger now,Novak looks very good,cannot see a 5th set happening….


Polo Says:

There. I’ve said. I’m ready to accept Federer’s defeat.


van orten Says:

it is easy to have good body language vs fed as he never finish u off when possible. and vs nadal he just shrinnks down to the size of an ant at least at grand slam level


Pitchaboy Says:

It is embarrassing.


van orten Says:

worst returning i saw from fed this week


Humble Rafa Says:

Polo Says:
There. I’ve said. I’m ready to accept Federer’s defeat.

I am glad you are. Next step, accept that Humble is a goat owner.


jatin Says:

Just look at his serve 23 aces.


van orten Says:

why vs federer djoker seems always to come back from the dead and vs nadal he just chickens out ever and ever again


Daniel Says:

Van orten,

Fed did great already. You have to realize he is contesting Simbledon finals at almost 33. Djoko is justntoo good today. The best match he is playing all year and could have won in 3 had Fed not won that breaker. Also Fed servi is keepimg the score closer. He has only 1BP chance in 17 games on Djoko’s serve. Age matters and Djoko is in his peak, Fed not. Today it shows


funches Says:

The younger Federer served better? He had the best serving set of his career in the third set.


Hippy Chic Says:

Van Orton if you had any sense you would be cheering Roger,why bother about Rafa when hes not even playing?


jatin Says:

Fed is looking so helpless. :(


van orten Says:

age has nothing to do with that because he already made mistakes like at 3:4 in the breaker when he was 27


tfouto Says:

The game will end here…


Daniel Says:

0-40. This is it!!


ertorque Says:

it’s really over now for Fed! Body language is not the same as the 1st set.


Polo Says:

Logic tells me that had Federer had the best serving set of his career in the third, he would have won it.


Daniel Says:

Fed is great in saving BP’s today.


van orten Says:

because nadal is overachiever and federer with all his Talent underachiever simple as that


Daniel Says:

Great pojnt until Fed makes a long FH.
Match on Djoko’s hand now.


jatin Says:

Done and dusted
Congrats Novak. You deserved it. I am out


van orten Says:

hahahahha djoker vs fed u deliever . it is easy because fed gave it to u today ..simple as that. u deserve it though..congrats


tfouto Says:

Federer forehand is truly awfull…


Hippy Chic Says:

The underachiever has 17 GS for goodness sake….


van orten Says:

at least he is fightin. still proud roger. u are the best but u could have had so much more ..i love u for all u give out there


Hippy Chic Says:

The standard of the match fallen now somewhat….


Daniel Says:

Yeah. fFed retinr the breK amazingly. Match is on!!


tfouto Says:

Finally Forehand working…

When Federer gets more aggressive he can do it…


Hippy Chic Says:

Back on serve brilliant break back from Roger….


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Roger breaks back, not sure if it would have any impact on the outcome of the match though. Rarely seen Roger comeback in these situations before.


Daniel Says:

Crowd loving this mach


van orten Says:

from 30:0 to break Point djoker . it never stops


Eric Says:

My god. Djokovic doesn’t need any help from the baseline judges, but he’s certainly getting it. That ball midway through the rally was truly in? NO way.


van orten Says:

He needed fed in the final as fed would have needed someone else to win this year..djoker deserves it but I hope he can maintain vs other top players. It is easy to win vs old fed in the end…


Daniel Says:

Well congrats Djoko


Ty Says:

Man van orten u talk alot of bullshit just shut up..


Hippy Chic Says:

Well i actually agree there,no offence to Novak but lets face it Feds past his peak,and a pre surgery Andy outplayed him in the final last year,and hasnt been his best since,and Rafas crap on grass now,and he was lucky against Dimitrov,although Novak did navigate his way through a tough draw,so one cannot take too much away from him….


Eric Says:

RO-GER!


Daniel Says:

Djoko again having problems closing out sets and matches.


Hippy Chic Says:

WOW What a fighter,well done Roger….


Eric Says:

God that last point was sick. Djokovic is still going to win, probably in about three minutes, but, wow, nice to see Roger going down fighting too. I dare not yet hope for a fifth set.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

The champions game has surely shrinked with aga, but his heart seems to be glowing. What a champion, no matter he loses, he is showing us the pride of a greatest champion.


tennisfansince76 Says:

I am actually feeling a bit bad for Novak now?


Nirmal Kumar Says:

aga=age


Daniel Says:

If this goes to a tiebreK Djoko can start second guessing.


squirrel_0209 Says:

I agree 100% with you NK, I’m touched that he tried this hard to fight back, I’m so proud of our champion whatever the outcome today.


Eric Says:

Fed quite unlucky this game.


Daniel Says:

MP Djoko. Fed could save and force a fifth for some payback:-)


Daniel Says:

5-5. Yeah


jatin Says:

I am proud of my fed.. What a fight


squirrel_0209 Says:

Me too Jatin, so proud of our champion! you never know what can happen now. Just as i type, it’s 3 BP for Fed! ALLez!!!!


Eric Says:

Djokovic and Fed are gifting each other plenty of points under the pressure.


tennisfansince76 Says:

Nuclear meltdown


Giles Says:

Choke fest! Lol


Daniel Says:

Last BP chance.


jatin Says:

Comoonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn wow ow wow ow


Daniel Says:

Wow, this a choke job. Serving 5-3 30-30 then MP on return and now broken again. Fed to ser e 6-5. Amazing.


Eric Says:

Good lord. This match has gone to insane, uncharted places. Can Roger really win a fifth straight game?


tennismonger Says:

Oh. My. God.

But the set’s not over yet…


Daniel Says:

Poor Djokovic, if he loses this match after this fiurth set that woul be hard to recover.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Roger is expending everything he has in this set. I would expect him to have nothing left in the tank, if it goes to fifth. Something similar to match against Murray in 2013 AO semis.

Roger probably needs to take a 2-3 minutes break and gather himself. It’s not going to he easy to do the same what he did in the 4th set.


Humble Rafa Says:

I was out with Xisca having a good time. Did I miss anything?


jatin Says:

Wow fed. You make me feel so proud. What a payback to that Us semi final 2011


Daniel Says:

This shows how hard ot is to beat Fed in a Wimbledon final. If he loses will be another fifth set

Djoko serving first again and he better do his game as he lost last 2 times he served.


tfouto Says:

What a game…


Thbless Says:

I’m a Nadal fanatic and I want Roger to win.


tennismonger Says:

OMG! OMG! OMG!

(Now I can really say it!)

AS Becker himself used to say, the 5th set is not so much about tennis.

I wonder if that observation can possibly be true in this case…


Hippy Chic Says:

Reminiscent of the 2008 final,Rafa at match point in the fourth set,only for Federer to save it and force a 5th set,UN-BE-LIEVE-ABLE….


Eric Says:

I am really happy I didn’t shut this match off in disgust when Novak served at 5-3.

Everything is going Roger’s way suddenly, but it’s not even that he’s getting lucky — Djokovic, I think, has scaled back to within the normal, mortal levels of ball-striking, which is letting Roger do his thing with the ball instead of just aiming to push it back over the net, like he had to do in sets 2-3. Certainly a bit of choking from Novak. He didn’t really unseal the kind of serving he needed to get those holds. But Roger is playing with, I must say, surprising élan so far into a tight match.

Set 5. What’s gonna happen? Roger must think he’s got a chance, I can only hope he seizes it.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Novak to start the fifth set, it’s an advantage.


Eric Says:

I wish Roger were serving first, but can’t have everything. I still can’t see Novak letting this get away from him after having it so close.


Eric Says:

Has Roger ever come back from 2-5 down in a set to win it 7-5 against Rafa or Djokovic before? That is the kind of feat that I simply don’t associate with him.


jatin Says:

1-1.. What an epic match


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Has Roger ever come back from 2-5 down in a set to win it 7-5 against Rafa or Djokovic before

I remember Roger coming back from a break down in 2012 FO semi against Novak and winning the 4th set.


Eric Says:

Ah, calling for the trainer. Classic.


jatin Says:

Nk
It was 2011 I guess


tennismonger Says:

ESPN3 guys being a little harsh on Djoko @ the moment…


Nirmal Kumar Says:

I hope the timeout taken by Novak does not break Roger’s rhythm. He seems to be timing the ball better than the first 3 sets now. Hope he can keep it up.


jatin Says:

Eric
Hope it does not affect fed’s rhythm


Eric Says:

Yeah 2-5 is a bit deceptive since it was still just one break down, but still. Roger only won that 2011 FO set in a ‘breaker.

Ok, Djoko back from the MTO. Let’s see if Roger can keep it going.


Eric Says:

Calling for a MTO is a right players should and do have, but they should also expect to be criticized for using it as a delaying tactic when they exercise that right after losing 6 of the past 7 games going into a tense fifth set.


Daniel Says:

Both holding at ease until someone blinks


Nirmal Kumar Says:

jatin, you are right. it was in 2011, when he broke Novak’s streak.


Eric Says:

Not sure why Roger is doing Novak the favor of not making him run anywhere?


jatin Says:

3-2.


jatin Says:

Fed is holding well 3-3


Eric Says:

Sorry for spamming the forum, but Djokovic I feel has been fairly lucky to still be on serve this set. It’s really all Roger right now. But Djokovic has been just good enough to avoid facing BPs. Still, he is clearly a bit off, so, hope Roger can capitalize eventually.


jatin Says:

Novak holds 4-3


Daniel Says:

But pressure on Fed now. He will serve under pressure all games from now on. 3-4. He will have to serve for the match if it for him to win. Djoko will be able to break to win.


Eric Says:

Good call, Daniel.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Unreal returns by Novak.


Eric Says:

…That…. that may have been the weirdest point I have ever seen played.


Eric Says:

I am not enjoying this even the tiniest bit. Can we please just declare the match over? Trophy for both guys. Heart attack meds for the audience.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

If this is what Roger has to do, to hold his serve going forward, I can’t see this match going too long. Novak is back with his returns, which typicaly shows he is back at his best.


jatin Says:

Wow.. What a fight by Roger. 4-4


jatin Says:

5-4 Novak.. can win now


Eric Says:

Fed’s probably gonna lose. He’s not getting anywhere in Novak’s games now, and, yeah, that was a titanic effort to hold. He definitely let slip some chances to take the lead during the first 2/3 of the set so far.


Daniel Says:

Fed Lion Heart


Eric Says:

Also Roger is playing like crap now. Where are all these errors coming from? And where’d the serve go?


Eric Says:

0-30. Two awful points from Roger.


Daniel Says:

I think this is it. Unless he ace. Djokos is retunring all serves with interes


Nirmal Kumar Says:

How do you stop Novak’s return to your shoelaces?


Daniel Says:

2 MP Djoko. Think now it. Fed’s serve disapear.


Eric Says:

Wow great return to form from Novak at the end there.

Really really hard result for Roger.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

It’s over, as expected it’s Novak. Great match.


Eric Says:

Unbelievable comeback in the 4th, but Roger tightened up in turn at the end there. Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy play the last few games. It was ALL Roger through first six or seven games in the last set, really unfortunate he didn’t capitalize.

Congrats Novak fans. Not sure how, but your man got there in the end.


Okiegal Says:

Novak, how does cow cud taste? I imagine pretty good right now…


jatin Says:

Congrats Novak .. Heartbreaking for us fans. But so proud of Roger


van orten Says:

congrats nole. but it is so hard always seeing ur favourite player lose 5 setters that way. he comes always short vs nole and that is a bit unfair. still proud but this hurts …nole pretended to be tired and won and fed again comes out short. so hard to digest. he is soo unlucky at times the great roger


Patson Says:

Congrats to all Fed fans for your man played valiantly and showed why he’s a grandslam contender even at this age.

As for Nole, YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!! It’s party time ………… the short-term GS jinx is gone. Back to number !!!!! O hell yeah.


Eric Says:

Ugh ugh ugh. The number of times Roger has come up THIS SHORT in slam finals now…


jatin Says:

I am out.. Will come again next year here this. Roger Federer forever. One and only…


tfouto Says:

Great game,

I am gutted of Federer loss…

Congrats to Djokovic fans..


Polo Says:

No shame on that. Good job by both guys. Congratulations to both. A bit more for Djokovic. A consistently good player like him, he didn’t deserve another heartbreak. Federer just proved how good and deserving of all the accolades he is.


Okiegal Says:

Roger’ s little girls are absolutely adorable!
Congratulations to Nole fans, he played fantastic and so sorry for Fed fans……He battled hard…..great match…..too bad there had to be loser. Two great champions!


Eric Says:

Thing is, Federer can only compete on and off with Djokovic (or Rafa) from the baseline. I can’t see even another tight 5-set loss from him vs Novak on hardcourts. Fed should have won this match after that comeback, but he just can’t avoid the sloppy patches that have been his downfall the last 5 years.


skeezer Says:

Congrats to Nole and his fans.
Called it if it went 5 sets = Nole.
Great tournament! No worries Fed, its all gravy.


Margot Says:

Terrific match. Well played both and thanks for giving us a final to remember.
Huge congratulations to Nole and huge hugs to his fans. Very tense out there and only us Murray fans can know what you were going through.;)
Huge commiserations to Roger’s fans. He fought the good fight and it was anybody’s till 4-3 in the 5th when Nole suddenly woke up and got that glint in his eye.


youyong Says:

A satisfying final. Both played well but I always thought Nole had the edge most of the time. Great that Roger could take it to 5 :)


Daniel Says:

Feel sad for Fed but happy for Djoko. Now into another standrad with 2 Wimbledon titles.

Fed’s, Djoko and Nadal record in GS

AO, RG, W, US (number of titles)

Fed: 73-11 (4); 61:15 (1); 79-9 (7); 67-9 (5)
Djoko : 43-6 (4); 43-10 (0); 45-8 (2); 45-8 (1)
Nadal: 41-8 (1);; 66-1 (9); 39-8 (2);; 41-8 (2)

This justshows that Djjoko is establishing himself as a Grand Slams player. He has betteter eecords in 3 Slams than Nadal apary from RH and 1 mpre US Opne title (whch he is now favorite to win) and he will surpass him there as well.

My point is for the ones who claim Nadal is GOAT now, apart from RG he is not egen the best iin the other Slams as Fed’s dominance.

If Djpkovic wins US Open he can enter a tier, he is always favorite for the hard courts Slams. Back tomnumber one and he will tie Nadal with 3 YEar end if he holds till end of the year.

Seems Djoko can diminate tennis again.


Hippy Chic Says:

Congrats Nole and fans Jane,Wogboy,Harry,Mat4,Courbon,Patson,Michael etc etc,get here and celebrate,for goodness sake lol….Commies to Federer fans Polo,Jatin,Josh,Tennislover,Skeezer,Madmax etc etc,it was a fantastic match,and a great battle between the two players,shame sometimes there has to be a loser….


Eric Says:

Most important, my insane bracket which had Novak getting upset by Haase in the third round and Rafa losing to Gasquet in the fourth misses a chance to finish in 2nd place behind Skeezer, and instead I must settle for 4th behind Pigoonse (conty?) and Atom (?) instead.


WTF Says:

Looks like Federer is back. He didn’t win, but what heart he showed. He is back to being a contender for the slams again. It’s been too long since he last made a final, but now he’s just shown that he still has it, even at almost 33.

I don’t think he’s done yet. He isn’t satisfied with 17.

It took a lot of heart for Nole also, to shake off that 4th set loss after holding MP and come back, stay focused in the 5th. Grats to him on his 7th slam and reclaiming #1. This should erase the heartache of losing the last 3 slam finals. Mentally, he should be extremely confident now.

If there’s anyone I have concerns for, it’s Nadal. He hasn’t been in good form all year, despite winning the FO again.


jane Says:

Well, holy hell. He did it! I thought after that wee choke in the 4th it was all over.

Dear stu, druo, wog boy, mat4 (poetry, no?), bojana, kriket, mila, sar, bada bing, harry, courbon, patson, and whomever i am forgetting. HUGE HUGS. also conty, daniel, ben, funches, and michael too. woot woot!

No1eeeeee prevailed!

Sorry Fed fans, he definitely played out of his skin – those serves were sublime – and besides which, this would’ve been nothing but a cherry on top. However, maybe Nole needed that a bit more eh? Monkey off the back. Phew! Phew! PHEW!!!!!


Pitchaboy Says:

Great match. Novak handling himself with class. Congrats to all his fans.


Okiegal Says:

I called it period…..no ifs ands or buts….Novak…. but my heart wanted Roger, the older of the two, to get his 18th…..but not today.


jane Says:

^ oh and shital green of course. cheers my friend, if you still read here.


Polo Says:

Thanks Hippy Chic but I don’t feel bad about this loss. Federer played very well and made me so proud of him. Federer has plenty of Wimbledon titles. To feel bad that he could not have his eight today sounds somewhat greedy. At this point in his career, Novak deserved to stop his slam finals heartbreaks.


Eric Says:

I don’t think Roger is satisfied with 17 either but if he couldn’t win this match after that comeback, he’s certainly not making any noise against Djokovic on the hardcourts (where Novak’s superiority from the baseline is more important) and I can’t see him suddenly developing the ability to get by Rafa with regularity on any outdoor surface.

I’ll be a bit surprised if Roger makes another slam final, to be honest. He’s not been to any outside Wimbledon since 2011 FO, right? And the competition is only getting closer (or further away, in the wrong direction!).


Tennis Fan Says:

Fed had that game on his racket at 3-3 in the fifth set when Djok feigned injury the second time to get his breath.

The old man still got game … he should have put the hammer down at 3-3 but when easy on Djok and let him back in the match.

Would have been great to see history made … but I guess we have to settle for this.

Congrat to Djokovic for making a match of it … without the timeout rules you wouldn’t have won .. but hey the timeouts are legal so congrats.

… to Fed … how can you play like that at 33?


Hippy Chic Says:

Daniel how many more times will you beat that particular drum,you said exactly the same thing the other day?Novak won and its his day,no need to p*ss on the achievements of other players to prove your point,Rafas such a crap player yeah we get it(sigh)….


WTF Says:

Daniel,

“This justshows that Djjoko is establishing himself as a Grand Slams player. He has betteter eecords in 3 Slams than Nadal apary from RH and 1 mpre US Opne title (whch he is now favorite to win) and he will surpass him there as well.

My point is for the ones who claim Nadal is GOAT now, apart from RG he is not egen the best iin the other Slams as Fed’s dominance. ”

Win loss ratio is now how greatness is measured. Djoko has a “better” record at the USO than Nadal, but Nadal has 2 titles and Djokovic only 1. Wimbledon they are tied on titles. No one remembers how many wins and losses you have. They only remember titles.

Suppose two players played at the same event 10 times. Player A was runner up every year, amassing an impressive 60-10 (85.7% win rate) record. Player B was a first round casualty 8 times but won the title twice. Player B’s record will be 14-8 (63.6% win rate). Who has the better record? Who’s record would you rather have?

At the end of the day, Djokovic has 7 slams, and Rafa has 14. There is no way, no how, that anyone can argue Djokovic has a better record at the slams. Even if he had a better record at 3 slams, that last slam he is so far behind that it dwarfs the 3 he is ahead in and then some.

No one, not even Djokovic himself would refuse to trade Djokovic’s record in slams with Rafa’s.


Patson Says:

Huge hugs to all Nole fans.

First, I’ll hug all ladies first. So jane, you’re first in line.

#PatsonHugsJane

Second, courbon.My man, come here.

#PatsonHugsCourbon

Third, Ben Pronin. You were a Nole fan right ?

#HugsBenAnyway

Now

#HugsEverybodyElseIncludingFedFans


Polo Says:

It was a very exciting match. Great entertainment. Thanks to those two guys for that.


Bad Knee Rules Says:

NO1E

NO1E

NO1E

http://youtu.be/uIXV0cir4-E


tennisfansince76 Says:

Congratulations Novak fans. He was the better man. Unreal return and ground game today.


tennisfansince76 Says:

If Fed had had a merely average serving day he would have lost routinely in straights. Not sure some people understand how much pressure Novak’s ground game put on Fed in this match. He hit the ball with astounding pace, precision and depth for most of the match.Fed did not make many truly unforced errors in this match.


Giles Says:

Fed could have won! He played very well indeed! Oh well! No #18!!


Hippy Chic Says:

Also Congrats to Novak on reclaiming the number 1 ranking,a fantastic match too ranks 4th on my personal favorite match behind the 2008,2009,and last years years match,which was more about the significance of a Brit win….


Rafa better than roger Says:

Congrats, Novak.

Finally, the old weak era of Roger is finally booted out.
The youth finally has been served. The trio of Rafa, Andy and Novak in the golden age of tennis has finally delivered to oust Roger, denying him of the elusive 8th or even more rare 9th title at a single Slam.

I would have felt sorry for Roger if not for his arrogant pronouncements of ‘bring on five setters’ at a time RAFA was still finding his clay form before Roland Garros. Be careful what you wish for, rog. Again, just like his loss to Rafa, roger was defeated in 5 agonizing sets, prolonging the eventual and painful loss. So, now, unless roger retires his head to head will now be even more worse against novak especially in finals.
Youth has been served.

Sorry, rog, this one is going to sting like 2008, because you could have easily won it in 5 after that charge in the 4th, like before. But alas, no.

Tough.


Rafa better than roger Says:

Wow, novak just gave us a show.

Just like in seinfeld, no soup for you rog.


Rafa better than roger Says:

I hope Roger will not blame this loss on the absence of shot clock. Lol.

He could have been beaten easily in four. Had it been Rafa in semis, roger would have been spared of this painful agony. But then again, while RAFA will find solutions again, rog may just keep on harping on the 20 or 25 seconds.

See, it is not the time between points that determine who loses, who wins. It is determined how good your shots are.

That OHBH? IT WILL BE IN A MUSEUM SOON.


Hippy Chic Says:

WTF Great post,its the wins in GS you have,and at the moment Rafa has more GS at both the FO and the USO,at Wimby its a tie,although if you go down that road Rafa still has 5 finals to 3 for Novak….


Rafa better than roger Says:

On to US open.

Rafa vs. Novak.


Hippy Chic Says:

Meant to say Congrats to Conty aswell in my earlier post….


TGIT Says:

Roger is a wimp! Way to falter on your serve when your opponent looks like he is about to drop. The one tear in your eye is from realizing you are done. Nothing better to do than lose in finals. I guess that is your life now. Thanks for nothing!


Hippy Chic Says:

RBTR theres no point going there,Rafa wasnt good enough to make the final,Roger was so at least he got there while Rafa lost in the 4th round….


Rafa better than roger Says:

And roger was healthy, no back prob, no mono, etc and everyone can see he was playing very well.

He just got beat by a better player who RAFA beat recently.


Giles Says:

@alison. I can’t help noticing your exuberance over joker winning, joker reclaiming 1 , Bla Bla. Did you even congratulate Rafa on winning his 9th French Open? Did you congratulate Rafa when he became #1 last October? I don’t think you did and I find that very strange considering you are a Rafa fan and all that!


skeezer Says:

“Had it been Rafa in semis….”
Semis? LMAO. Rafa couldn’t get past a 19 yr old ranked 144.
Your yappin has no sting.
Hows the beach?


Giles Says:

skeezer. Your old man lost. There is no number 18. Accept it and move on.


Hippy Chic Says:

Giles actually i was rooting for Federer,as for the number 1 ranking TBH im glad its gone,about Novak i was merely congratulating his fans whom for the most part i actually have a good raport with,as for when Rafa became number 1 i was delighted,and im sure he will get it back sooner or later anyway,and even if he doesnt i can live with it,14 GS and all takes the sting out of it,and i did congratulate Rafa on winning the 9th FO,but i had issues in the real world which is why i didnt blog for a while….


courbon Says:

Jane, County, Patson,BKR and all other Novak fans-YEEEEEEESSS!!! Finaly did it.So happy and so drunk…


Hippy Chic Says:

Hi Courbon congrats to you and your guy for the win,it was a fantastic final and Nole was a worthy winner,enjoy your day ;))….


gonzalowski Says:

Skeezer you’ll have to focus on your cats again :)


mem Says:

Giles,

you are absolutely spot on about Hippy Chick. she also wanted novak to win the french open. how about that for a so-called fan. it’s sad when a fan needs to be accepted so badly until he/she goes along with any and everything. if I were a pro athlete I would never ever want that kind of fan supporting me. her support of rafa is pretentious, but she calls it objectivity! whatever!

anyway, I didn’t come here to expend energy on Hippy Chick. we all know how she operates.

congratulations to novak and roger!


Lou_tennisfan Says:

It was a great match…Many congratulations to Djokovic for winning his second title. Like Fed said, it was well deserved in the end!

As a Roger Federer fan, I am extremely disappointed that he lost the finals but at the same time, I am inspired by him to see that how day after day, he continues to defy age and do what he loves. It was a privilege to see him play today and I hope that we continue to get the chance of seeing him play! Win or loose, he will always be a champion of our hearts.

Thank You Roger Federer! You lost but still won our hearts http://tinyurl.com/lmgrh56


Hippy Chic Says:

Mem read my posts to Daniel,i dont belittle other players and i do give credit where its due,and i dont see anything wrong in that either,but i will defend Rafa and his achievements when posters belittle them,as i did with Daniel earlier on this thread,also read what WTF said which i agreed with….


skeezer Says:

Giles,
I am fine, Fed is fine. Great great match. Face it……Fed, @ almost 33 was in another GS final. Regardless of the smack talk from the cult, he is still very revelant. I was just responding to the patheticness of a Rafafanatic who said IF Rafa made to the semis, like that means something here? Lol….not.


Giles Says:

https://mobile.twitter.com/stroppadel/status/485855347421487105
Fed says Rafa is the best teenager he has seen. Nobody like him since


Daniel Says:

WTF,

I agree. That’s why I said one more US Open and anafdal won’t be second in 2 Slams. Tied with 2 US and 2 Wimbledons with Djoko having vetter record at this 2 Slams he is would ve better.

Wimbleodn for example Nadal has t finals bur he was only competitve in this 5 times he reached finals. Djoko was competitve in 6 as he has semis in 2007 or 2008 and semis or better from 2010 onwards.

If Djoko indeed win one more US things will get inresting and if he manges more even more interesting. I ma not saying he is better than Nadal or he will surpass Nadal’s 14 but this is to show that Nadal slam is clay dominated when on his prime may not be second on te other 3. On two he already isn’t.


Hippy Chic Says:

Rafa has multiple GS on all surfaces….


skeezer Says:

“if I were a pro athlete I would never ever want that kind of fan supporting me.”
That’s why you’re notl
Just because a fan may have several players besides Rafa he/she likes to watch it labels them “pretentious”? Uh uh.

Like I said, it’s a cult. You’re all in, or you’re out.
—whats pretentious? When you post here rarely then give a little congrats to the macth, but then mostly go on a high horse and tell posters what they are and aren’t.


Nithish Says:

Congrats Nole


mem Says:

Daniel,

stop stressing over the future. please take a break and let wimbledon sink in and then you can start your worry all over again about who will stop nadal from getting to another final because if he gets there he just might win. that’s what your excessive worry is really about.

last i checked clay was said to be a major surface too, but i won’t waste my time on that subject. as far as im concerned it’s a debate for those who look for excuses to minimize a certain player’s achievements. knock yourself out!


mem Says:

skeezer,

surprise, surprise! did I strike a nerve little girl?


andrea Says:

i’m going to have to go back and watch that 4th set again. it was so improbable and i don’t think i could appreciate it watching it the first time. 5 breaks of serve!


Daniel Says:

mem,

Don’t tell me what to do or anybody eles for that matter. If you have a problem with a post says discuss but this types: “shut up, go away, bla bla” only make you look infitile, which you probably are.

I will post whatevr I want uow want and when I want.

I judge it’s pertinent for the moment. Djoko is now number 1 will stay there at least till indoor season or longer, favorite to win both US Open and AO and can achieve more in his career.


mem Says:

Daniel,

you are absolutely correct, you can say whatever you want, but you need to know that you sound like a broken record; same thing over and over and over again.

btw, im suppose to care that you predict that novak will win the uso and everything else this year? you also predicted he would win the 2014 French, 2013 French, 2012 French, the 2011 French. you also predicted he would win the 2013 uso. so, what’s new? sorry to burst your bubble, but im not into forecasting the future. the future will take care of itself. I enjoy the tennis. I don’t need to come here everyday stressing over who will win what, where, and when. maybe you can guarantee wins and losses, but I can’t. I understand that this is just a sport and anything can happen. I don’t live and die by who win or loses. I leave that to fans like you who apparently don’t have much of anything else going on.

again, it would be a good idea if you would let the dust settle at Wimbledon before you brave us with your look into the future.


Daniel Says:

The dust for Wimbleodn already say Novak has 2 and Nadal is no longer alone as “the second grass court player of this generation”. He may have more finals but Djoko has a better record at Wimbledon. This are facts right now.
I am onny speculating about US Open which is 7 weeks away. Because as far as Wimbledon goes Djokovic has a better shot at getting a third title than Nadal. And I also think the same regardig US Open but of course how they play on August will give us a clue.

As for Fed if he gets a great draw and don’t have to face neither Djoko nor Nadal (or even maybe facing them on a weak day) he is a contender. Today Djoko was on his absolute best and still took him five to beat Fed here. He will be a solid #3 with more points to gain. He stilm has until next year Wimbleodn. After that pretry much over.

Right now Nadal will play more 6 Slams before 30 and Djoko 10 more. Let’s see amd enjoy how they perform this next 2 and half years and if somebody else will break their stranglehold on Slams as Wawa did this year. And if Murrya will bounce back.


Steve 27 Says:

It was a tense and entertaining match, but NOT a great match like the 2008 final in terms of quality. Djokovic was the better player and should have won it in three, max.4 sets had he not either had his usual concentration lapses or “choked” in important moments (set 1, setpoint with his own serve, set 4, serving for match, etc).


mem Says:

Daniel,

“fear can become paralyzing” and I truly believe your anxiety about whether nadal will equal or surpass roger’s status has become a paralyzing fear that you are constantly battling. I feel for you, but you are not really enjoying tennis. your worry resonates in your posts. just be patient, everything unfolds in time.

also, you are entitled to your opinions about novak being the second best grass courter of this era. hats off to him, but I don’t get worked up over opinions. we all have them! fact is, once they close the book on their careers, history will record the entire account of their achievements. until then, I try to enjoy the tennis. in the process, I don’t have a problem with novak being declared the “favorite” for every tournament he enters, like I always say, being called ‘favorite’ doesn’t guarantee a win. so no worries from me!

by the way, im just curious but did nadal and dojokovic tell you how many more slams they will play before retiring or are you speculating again?


skeezer Says:

mem,
Who you calling little girl? Your posts wreak of it. Is Krygios your new teen love now that Rafa is ” old “? After all, its about love and obsessive infactuation, no? Just don’t pour it on other posters, you’re your own sandbox.


Daniel Says:

mem,

I am enjoying tennis nicelly. Living this year. This was the final I wanted and actually even tough i wanted Federer to iin I also loved Novak’s win. He just brings more drama to the whole thing.

We do ‘t know the future and we can only speculate. Right now Novak is the number 1 player and more thna vever the player to beat. He is dominating since post last year US Open and the only 2 i portant tour eys he didn’t won was AO and RG. All toner masters he played he won except MC (whihc is not mandatoey) where he was injured. Think he will go on a tier now.

And I am excited about next few years because as I mentined they are all getting older. This next 2 years will define history of tennis forever and I will get anxious and excited as I won’t. You seems to care too much if I care too much because may e apllyng reverse psychology you too care more than you think. Since we are playong I know what is going on with your head.


mem Says:

skeezer,

rafafans are now afraid of krygios. is that what you are saying? give me a minute to stop laughing. as always, im sure after defeating nadal he is a candidate for the next #1 player. im impressed with the “big server.” I just love “big serving” tennis with no tactics and little or no rallying. it lulls me to sleep at night. seriously, good luck to the kid. he will need it on this tour.


skeezer Says:

Mem,
Glad you were laughing. Me too, ya know, 19, 144. Hee haw. Candidate for worlds #1? No, not now, thats the point. Rafa loses to who? Lol.
Doesn’t surprise me you don’t like things big.


mem Says:

skeezer,

actually, i was thinking that if rafa had the connections that roger has, he could probably get a good easy draw; then maybe he would get to play opponents like; lorenzo, muller, giraldo, robredo, raonic to make to the final round. seeing as how roger is able to handle big servers so well, maybe officials would consider adjusting the draws to give rafa a break as they do roger. oh i forgot, rafa is the one who they want eliminated by anybody or anything, human, dog, or cat, doesn’t matter who or what so long as rafa is gone bye bye.


skeezer Says:

No, apparently he doesn’t . It’s been way easier for Rafa. Especially at USO’s draws.
As for Grass, all the players that have beaten him have been 100 plus ranked whos? Look, apparently some officials have let bygones be bygones despite his illegal coaching routines, his time abusing antics, as well as his gamesmenship routines. But despite all that, he still can’t beat 19 yr olds and 100 + ranked players. Good thing he doesn’t try to claim he is the best of all time, cause he never will.


mem Says:

skeezer,

you say all the grass court players who have beaten rafa are ranked 100+, but where are they now? list their achievements.
like rafa said, if players like rosol and kyrgios play other players the way they play him, they would beat them too. truth is, rosol & kygrios know not to beat roger just as wawrinka knew not to beat him the other day. they know what the atp other fed supporters want; rafa out and roger in the final with a chance to win #18. simple as that! when a player can boom, boom, boom, game over, i don’t expect rafa to perform miracles, only roger can do that. maybe rafa can’t beat the #144, but he sure can beat the #3.


skeezer Says:

“they know what the atp other fed supporters want; rafa out and roger in the final with a chance to win #18.”
Now your talkin conspiracy. A known cult belief. I don’t debate crazy. Out.


mem Says:

skeezer,

im not as gullible as you. call it cult or whatever, fact is, things are not always as they seem.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Confused, it this a Roger vs Novak thread or Rafa’s thread?


Margot Says:

@mem
I was actually at that match. Rafa’s game was so much more interesting to watch than Nick’s, full of variety and invention as he tried to get a handle on that serving. Thought Rafa was definitely below par that day too.
Nick has an incredible serve, which was on fire that day and an awesome forehand and ? His attitude was also a little too, um brash shall I say, for me as well.
Really hope this isn’t the future of tennis though.


Giles Says:

@mem. You nailed it with these words ” maybe Rafa can’t beat the #144 but he sure can beat the #3 “. Priceless!


roy Says:

it’s a tough loss for federer fans because they’ve spent the last few years supporting their nadal-killer djoker. he’s always been the best match-up for federer out of the big four and they were confident fed could take him out on grass.
well, now their darling djoker has ruined the day.

suddenly those shoe-string returns aren’t so fun, eh?

just lucky fed’s first serve kept him in it. that’s grass for you. a levelling surface. djoker outplayed him in every set except the fourth but grass just keeps the service games ticking over if anyone has a big serve.

it’s true it was a heroic effort from fed in the fourth. you have to respect that. but the mental rebound from djoker was also very impressive. because fed also had crowd advantage.

djoker would have won much easier if he’d had the net skill of murray or nadal. he let fed get away with murder, defensively chipping that backhand to stay in points. djoker barely finished points off at net. he has no confidence in it.

but what we can see is that federer’s wimbledon success really comes down to his excellent serve, not his all round game. the other big 4 are arguably superior outside of serve on the grass, even djoker with his poorer volleys. they basically have to be superior to compensate and keep things so close or win.

in this match you could see that djoker won far more points on his second serve than federer did. fed has a very good second serve. in this situation, this stat is a good indication of who has the superior game once the ball is in play.

skeezer is very upset so we must be kind. but he’s also being very silly about rafa’s poor grass game, rafa the 5 time wimby finalist.

the reason federer might have less trouble with rosol/kygrios etc is simply a matter of being under less pressure with service.

even still, gasquet, a very good grass player, lost to the big serving 19 year old.
and skeezer also has a very short memory, forgetting about the time falla served for the match against federer and when benneteau almost took him out also. and of course when the the ukrainian journeyman did him last year.

in the kygrios match, nadal lost serve once and lost a best of 5 set match. that’s a little unlucky. kygrios threw caution to the wind in the 3rd set tie-break and that’s what happens when you have nothing to lose.
there’s not much any player can do about that on grass particularly.

nadal was correct in saying that players who expect to be in the final stages, and win these types of tournaments, don’t tend to hit 115mph second serves (two first serves) at 5/5 in a 3rd set tie-break.
in other words it’s something players with no pressure and nothing to lose do. a reckless gamble. it’s true, it will fail you most of the time. but it can work for an upset or two.

i suppose people can continue to pretend nadal is a failure on grass, but the fact remains he has the best success of current players outside of federer. and it’s likely he’ll have chances to win more wimbledon titles.

the same people who claim nadal can’t play on grass will of course confirm that murray is an excellent grass player, even if he never wins another title, or that roddick was an excellent grass player, or hewitt … and so on.


jane Says:

“djoker barely finished points off at net. he has no confidence in it.”

roy, sorry but you are mistaken. nole came to net quite a lot this slam, and was, overall, very successful.

vs fed he won 26/35=74%
vs grigor 2747 = 57% (his weakest all tournament)
vs cilic 14/22 = 64%
vs tsonga 21/24 = 88%
vs simon 27/36 = 75%
vs steps 27/36 = 75%
vs golubev 16/21 = 76%

in total he came in 221 times and won 158 times for 71%

if you compare these numbers to a lot of the other players who made the second week, you’ll see they are great.

have a look at how much andy came to net. not very much at all, which is a shame because he has such natural touch. and i think it would’ve helped him versus dimitrov especially.

rafa too: in 4 sets vs nick he came in only 20 times and in 4 sets the previous round, only 10.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

jane, you are right about Novak’s forecourt play Infact, before Roger’s match I had pointed out that it’s a big difference Becker has brought into Novak’s game, along with the ease at which he is slicing the ball. Along with his already established skills, these are fantastic additions to his game.


Margot Says:

Think Becker’s improved Nole’s serve too. Becker said somewhere Nole is not a “natural server.” Served so well during the final, they must’ve been working on it.


jane Says:

i think you’re right margot. it’s flattened a bit too. but he still uses the kicker a lot. his second serve was fabulous. fed himself said he couldn’t figure out why, after having had played fed so much, he couldn’t generate a break point until the 4th set. i think that’s because nole’s serve has changed since they’ve played last.

nirmal, maybe boom boom wasn’t such a bad choice after all. but his face is so red in the sun; it always has me a little worried. ha ha.


jane Says:

*oops, after having played *nole so much…


Daniel Says:

Roy,

Nadal is not the most successfull player on grass after Fed. This is debatable.
Djoko has the same amount of titles on Wimbledon and more vicories and a better record. Nadal has the 5 finals but that is it, with a 2-3 record (40%). All other Wimbledons he lost pre Quarters. Djoko has 2 tiles (2-1, 66%), 1 finalist, 3 semis and 1 quarters. He was in last 4, 6 times to Nadal’s 5.

Also, with the current trend with Nadal is more likelly Djoko who reaced 3 of the last 4 finals with 2 titles and as defending champion wins more Wimbledon than Nadal who will play next year Wimbledon aged 29, his last before 30. If he wasn’t winning Wimbledon with 26, 27 and 28. Doubt he will win post 30. Federer who is the most acomplished player on grass one 1 Wimbledon after 30 and a final. So je basically has one more real shot at Wimbledon next year if he survives week 1 as every year his recent losses will come back stronger to hunt him.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Jane, i’m not sure if anyone can make Novak a bad player anymore, in that sense Boris cannot be a bad choice. But yes, he is a very good choice, since he complements some of the skills which Novak has not mastered yet, though he is good at them, like Serve, Forecourt play and Slice.

It’s important players improve what they already have and add some more dimension to their play. That’s what I believe Novak is doing. It augments well for his future.


SG1 Says:

roy Says:

just lucky fed’s first serve kept him in it. that’s grass for you. a levelling surface. djoker outplayed him in every set except the fourth but grass just keeps the service games ticking over if anyone has a big serve.

————–

As a pro, you’re supposed to serve well. There were finals where Fed lost to Rafa and didn’t serve well. His serve is a part of his arsenal. I think Federer would have beaten Rafa in some of those finals had he served better.

Sorry, but from my perspective, Fed outplayed Novak in every set but the 2nd one. I’m a Rafa fan and I pulled for Novak yesterday but Roger was the aggressor and the far more flamboyant shotmaker. He deserved a better fate.


skeezer Says:

roy,
Others have answered your novella in disdain, so no need to pile on except whilst these two were playing for the most pretigious title in Tennis your fav said he was going to the Beach. Nuff said on that.
I am not upset, it was a great match they produced.
As I said after 17, its all gravy from here on out, howver he is still challenging at the very top for Slams. How awesome is that?
Congrats again to Nole and his fans. A very well fought tournament for him, all the way through!


skeezer Says:

@Margot,
Re; Nole’s serve. Yes the commies showed a quick vid on before and after. Before his elbow bent back awkward during his serve prep and did not poperly fold and cock like it does now. That changed everything, it was just a slight but important change in technnique during his wind up. Imo he doesn’t get enough credit for his service game nowadays.


Hippy Chic Says:

Giles/Mem you both seem to think im some closet Novak fan whos only pretending to be a Rafa fan simply because i dont think Rafas perfect or kiss his backside,and Bad Knee Rules seems to think im some Novak hater for the same reason,well as far as im concerned your all free to think whatever you like,but thats you with a problem not me,but for what its worth im niether a closet Novak fan,nor am i a Novak hater….


Perfect fan Says:

O God!! what a match I missed….I think the best match since the 2012 AO Final.

Just managed to catch some highlights and I mus say….it was very similar to that AO final. Fed/Rafa winning the first set….then Nole making a strong return in the 2nd and 3rd….then fed/rafa making a remarkable comeback in the 4th, pumped up enough to convince us that they will squeeze thru….and then just falling short in the decider.

TBVH, I am disappointed at fed’s loss….but at the same time, I am equally happy n excited abt fed’s current status of play. Fed is playing gorgeous tennis once again and just served us with one classic of a tennis match.

FED – “Take a Bow”.

And now, hearty congratulations to Nole and his fans world wide. Must admit, whadda player this man is NOLE. You cannot stop falling in love with his game….a great warrior, heart of a Lion….RESPECT!!

Nole hit some returns, which are simply out of this world. Both fed and nole match up so well against each other, their matches are all true CLASS….love their RIVALRY!!

Overall, I am very happy n satisfied with fed’s progress. I dnt knw if he’s gonna win another slam….but nevertheless, i’ll enjoy his tennis so long he plays.

Go Fed….so proud to be ur FAN :)


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