9 Things I Think I Thought About Djokovic, Federer, Serena And Wimbledon
by Sean Randall | July 8th, 2014, 4:44 pm
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Wrapping up Wimbledon, we sure learned a lot. So let’s get to it.

1. Novak Djokovic Will Be Among The All-Time Greats
Novak Djokovic absolutely could not afford to lose that final. Not after losses in his last three Grand Slam title bouts, five of his recent six.

I always talk about “want” when these type of matches come around, and Djokovic simply wanted it more. But it wasn’t easy. In fact it almost didn’t happen.

Djokovic of course was up 5-2 in the fourth when – talk about bad timing – he hit one of those bad “patches” we’ve seen from him all year. Stunningly Federer ran off five straight games to take the set and with the crowd firmly rooting for the Swiss, it looked dodgy at best for Djokovic.

But credit to Novak, he overcame that mental letdown and outgunned an in-form Federer to take the set and the match to win his seventh Slam in one of the best played matches of the season.

And seven, that’s more than Boris Becker. More than Stefan Edberg. And at just 27 he’ll probably accumulate 2-3 more at least and end up as one of the all-time greats, passing the likes of Andre Agassi, Jimmy Connors and Ivan Lendl. Let’s be honest, there’s a better chance of that happening (him winning a few more Majors) than not.

That said, Novak is getting married this week and he is expecting a baby after the US Open, so perhaps with new priorities he won’t be the same player he is today. But if he “wants” it he’s still young enough and he has the game to win much more. And he’ll likely be the favorite in every match for the remainder of the season.

2. Roger Federer Isn’t Dead
Almost 33 and Roger Federer very nearly ripped the Wimbledon title from Novak Djokovic clutches on Sunday. Wasn’t Federer washed up? Nope.

Against Djokovic, Federer did what he had been doing all fortnight: playing marvelous tennis. Clearly the bigger racquet is helping his serve and his movement was exceptional, and that’s the key because his mind and logic remain intact despite all the outside interferences like having four kids at home!

Based on what I saw, if he can keep his health, keep serving well there’s no reason he can’t contend at Wimbledon next year. And if upsets happen maybe he can sneak a Slam out before then.

Fact is, the old man can still play ball. And what a joy it is to watch.

3. What Is Wrong With Serena
She’s almost 33, that’s what’s wrong. Maybe she wants to have children. Maybe get married. I don’t know but I’m guessing she’s having “normal” issues most single (she’s no longer dating the coach?) 33-year-old women have: Life. And she’s already been through a lot.

So maybe she gets back on track. Maybe she doesn’t. Clearly she still has the game, but can she mentally pull herself back together to win Slams again I don’t know.

It’s just tougher for women than it is for men.

4. Commanding Kvitova
Czech Petra Kvitova followed up her 2011 Wimbledon title with an even more impressive run this year, edging Venus Williams in a terrific third round and then absolutely destroying the upstart Genie Bouchard in a 55-minute final on Saturday.

Kvitova is a young (just 24), powerful, lefty and with Serena, Li Na, Venus and Victoria Azarenka all a bit wobbly and Maria Sharapova closer to the end than the beginning, she’s certainly someone who could and maybe should be the next new No. 1 player.

I just don’t know if she has the desire like say another lefty from her country had long ago. We’ll find out this summer to see what her intentions are.

5. Dirty Grass
As we all saw by the end of the Championships the baseline resembled a desert more than a grass lawn. Worn away, dry and barren, players like Djokovic and Grigor Dimitrov were left slipping and sliding all over Center Court.

As the shift to baseline tennis continues, a 2-week tournament like Wimbledon will have figure out how to manage the turf better. You simply can’t have one of the most important matches of the season – the men’s final – played on a totally different surface than when the tournament began.

6. The Kyrgios Case Of The Young Guns!
We’ve long known about first-time semifinalists Milos Raonic and Grigor Dimitrov, but…
Who would have believed a year ago Simona Halep would have made a French final and then a Wimbledon semi.

Or young Canadian Genie Bouchard would a Wimbledon finalist.

Or even 19-year-old Nick Kyrgios would stun Rafael Nadal and reach the Wimbledon quarterfinals.

As Serena and Federer succumb to Father Time. As Nadal continues to fight his body. As Djokovic looks ahead to becoming a family man and as Andy Murray wrestles with himself, guys and gals like Bouchard, Kyrgios, Raonic, Dimitrov, Jiri Vesely, etc., are going to have more and more opportunities. They are the future.

This is how it happens. They make a breakthrough – like Federer did years ago beating Sampras at Wimbledon, or John McEnroe making the semifinals a qualifier – then they start winning titles, really big titles. And it’s going to happen sooner rather than later.

I think the “Big Four” has maybe through next Wimbledon before their dynasty gets swallowed up by the next generation. These guys are coming and they are good…

7. No Mo For Murray
Is there any word if Murray has extended Amelie Mauresmo’s trial period? I’ll be interested to see how he handles it.

After racing through the first week at Wimbledon, the defending champion Murray laid an absolute egg in his match against Grigor Dimitrov in the quarters.

I know he had back surgery last year but since his Wimbledon title he hasn’t even made it back to a final! And as we enter the summer hardcourts Murray is still searching for his first Top 10 win of the season. Now ranked No. 10, if things don’t improve quickly you can forget Mauresmo, his 2014 season and quite possibly start think we’ve seen the best from the Scot.

8. Rafa Redux
Here’s where we are with Rafael Nadal: Rafa began the year strong but injured his back in Australian Open final. Had a so-so U.S. Masters March, then a sub-par clay season but still managed to win the French thanks in some part to a mentally frail Djokovic. And then the grass was again a disappointment for a third straight year.

So now at 28 Nadal stares down another four long months of nothing but hardcourt tennis. And in the immediate future he has a US Open title defense not to mention the same at Canada and Cincinnati. Of course the odds are astronomical that he can repeat such a feat. The reality is, he might not even win another title the rest of the year. Perhaps one in the fall somewhere, maybe two?

I just get the feeling he hasn’t been the same player since Australia. He still has time to prove me wrong. Though time won’t do him any favors either.

9. American Absence
Statistically, with no Americans period in the fourth round for the first time since 1911, this was the worst Wimbledon ever for us yanks. But there’s some hope on the horizon, at least for the women who have Madison Keys, Sloane Stephens, Alison Riske, Taylor Townsend and others. They won’t dominate the sport but at least they’ll content in the years to come. The same, however, cannot be said for the men, who have run dry for the moment.

Big men John Isner and Sam Querrey won’t be winning majors. And it doesn’t look like Jack Sock or Ryan Harrison are going to either – hell, Harrison’s now ranked No. 144 he might not even be able to play in majors! Veteran Michael Russell is around as is Donald Young and Steve Johnson, but they’re wishful week two Grand Slam participants.

Things could finally change down the road in 4-5 years when youngsters like Francis Tiafoe, Stefan Kozlov or Wimbledon junior champion Noah Rubin mature to make some noise. But until then things are going to continue to be rather quiet for a few more years at least.

And that ends Wimbledon…And now the tour shifts to America.


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134 Comments for 9 Things I Think I Thought About Djokovic, Federer, Serena And Wimbledon

Ben Pronin Says:

Jack Sock is a Wimbledon champion, though!


Hippy Chic Says:

I hope Nadal and Murray both make a statement and put in a better showing at the USO,the irony is Rafa doesnt struggle in the earlier rounds at HC GS anymore,the USO is his second best GS now,Murray performed better at the FO than he did at Wimbledon ironically only losing to Rafa,but then again who doesnt,the loss to Dimitrov was a shock,but i believe hes steadily rediscovering his form now,


Hippy Chic Says:

Meant to add Novaks been the most consistent player over the past 4 years on HCs but the USO is more open than the AO,whether that continues this year remains to be seen,but he already is an all time great no question….


jane Says:

good one sean. one other thing is that wimbledon results perhaps heat up the YE #1 result.

between nole and rafa it’s too close to call. anything could happen. and even fed gained a lot of points.

on the ladies side serena still has a big lead but if something is seriously wrong we could even see a changing of the guard there.


El_Flaco Says:

“and his movement was exceptional”

Exceptional for his age, but noticeably inferior to Djokovic.


Kimberly Says:

Again Sean is writing off Rafa. Same old thing. We have seen repeated picks of Federer to win v. Rafa, Djokovic to win the French open every year, and predictions of the end of Rafa’s career over and over again. Then we hear him say lesson learned. But it isn’t learned at all.


Lucy Says:

the wrong patches we have seen from Novak have been for at least 2 years, I insist when I say that it really hurt Nole´s head losing that French open final in 2012, so if that hurt his mentality, I dont think he would had been able to handle this one.
bit.ly/1xOU3pr


skeezer Says:

Totally agree with #5


Brando Says:

@Kimberly:

Totally spot on and completely agree.

It’s time for me to bid Sayonara on a permanent basis to TX. It’s abundantly clear to me that some of my view’s either get misinterpreted or just get some people’s knicker’s in a twist since it’s not favourable viewpoint of their fav:

Oh how criminal of me to think otherwise!

Before I do go though in my final post a few points I must say:

1. I issue a full, complete and open apology IF i have offended anyone in a manner that they feel was a personal attack or a shot at their character, personal dignity or otherwise that may have hurt their own sensitivity.

I apologize if so was the case at any instance, as it’s bang out of order and not on. I hope you accept my sincere apology on that account since I do not want to leave without addressing any undue hurt some my blunt views/ remarks may have caused.

2. I say all of the following not from the standpoint of being a Nadal fan, but in the main from my experience of gauging this site’s behaviour towards Rafa as an individual:

It’s sadly clear to me- and I think if we ALL are honest individuals for a moment- that on this site Rafael Nadal is the villain of the game.

The majority of Tennis fans are either Federer, Nadal or Djokovic fans. On this site that is also the obvious reality. Yet Rafa and his fans have to put up with a lot of unnecessary slurs with Fed and Djokovic fans knocking him at various times on here.

Why? Truthfully we all know why:

- Fed fans: The hate for Rafa is directed primarily for the obvious reason that he’s the ONLY current (and possibly for a while at least) threat to his GOAT status. Add in the number of losses Fed has suffered due to Rafa then the hate just add’s up.

- Novak fans: They seem to hate for enjoying the success they believe Novak should have (some have openly admitted this at times). It’s a jealousy that sees them viewing Rafa as ‘the guy who has/enjoys the status that Novak should have’. They hate the fact that he’s a colossus at FO, and seems to be the main stumbling block to Novak winning Slams (Fed’s too old, Muzza’s too inconsistent: so else is going to be a hinderence?). And again: the numerous big losses- especially at Slams- has hardly endeared him.

All of this leads to Rafa and his fans having to endure alot of hatred. And for what?:

The criminal act of beating these 2 players- seemingly- most of the times in Slams.

I ask: Is that really a good reason to hate someone?

Take Wimbledon for example:

2 Federer fans routinely (NOT SKEEZER- although he’ll admit himself he’s not shy to post against Rafa) continously posted in every match of his, hating against him, desperately wanting him to lose, calling him a lucky so and so.

Those 2 posters NEVER root for him but routinely post against him during his Slam matches over the years and just bash him.

Check the recent FO threads (especially the final) and yo see how out of hand it is.

WHENEVER Rafa get’s knocked out early in a Slam it seems like a huge celebration time on here. This does not happen for Fed or Novak. They lose commiserations and understanding is exchanged. Rafa though losing early?

Party time on TX!

Why? The TRUTH is obvious- and deep down we ALL know why-:

Due to Rafa’s ability at Slams and especially against these 2 players. That threat he carries.

It’s saddening to this vile directed at him which really is NOT because of his game, routine between points or whatever else but:

The simple and sheer fact that he’s won too many big titles and has beat these 2 players more than lost on the biggest possible stage.

And that’s a shame. A real shame:

Since what does a guy have to do to earn some RESPECT from the fans of other opponents?

This is a player who’s won 14 Grand Slams. It’s safe to say possibly more. Which would ATLEAST place him as the 2nd biggest winner on the biggest stage of Tennis: Grand Slam Championship.

And yet most folks bash him on here or refer to him in a underhand manner.

He’s won record number of MS titles, 500 point titles, has numerous Davis Cup wins, Olympic Gold, numerous titles, has since day one had a leading h2h v all the top players (Federer, Novak, Muzza, Del Potro, you name them) has many ex players in the game lauding him as a player etc:

And yet he still get’s bashed here as if he’s the villain of the sport. Some scourge.

Federer respects him and privately likely considers him the toughest opponent he ever faced, Novak publicly said he could be the greatest and is someone who has influenced him as a player, univsersally he’s regarded as an icon of the highest order of the game and without hesitation one of the absolute all time greats of the Sport and yet:

For many on Tennis X he’s the biggest evil on tour and it’s cause for celebration when he suffers a loss. ALL because the umpire has called the match in his favour one too many a time v their in a big one:

I find that plain sad to see!

It’s long been like this and I envisage that:

IF Rafa wins more Slams it shall ONLY get more nastier, bitter, hateful towards and ALL for the same reason as it has been for many a years now:

Because he’s won too many a time in the biggest matches v opponents who are supposed to be his superior, but come the end of the match the final score suggests a different reality.

And pisses off- quite clearly- too many here, and leads to alot of BS towards Rafa and his fans.

Well folks:

I have had my fill, and it’s time for to say that’s enough for me, take care, I wish you the best and goodbye!


SG1 Says:

Brando,

If it’s your last post, it’s a damned good one. Hard to understand why poster’s exhibit dislike for specific players when the players themselves actually respect and in some cases, like each other. Guys like Federer, Nole, Rafa and Murray travel to the same venues, live similar existences and have similar (if not identical) goals. These guys are kindred spirits.

There is of course a flip side. Sites like this become boring if everyone agrees with one another and express themselves in a perfect and pleasant way. It’s the sparks and conflict that keep things interesting.


SG1 Says:

I agree with Sean (and Skeezer) about Point #5. The courts do need to perform better. I was looking at a match between Sampras and Ivanisevic from 1998. They looked completely different in the final than in 2014. Pretty much the entire court was evenly worn from baseline to net.

I believe it’s time for Wimbledon to speed up the balls and the court and get players off the baseline. Grass court tennis isn’t supposed be a grind-it-out from the back court affair. That’s what you do at the FO (…and the AO). It’s supposed to be about aggression and first strike tennis. Set the place up to reward the aggressor again.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Brando, if you could stop calling people butt-hurt asshats maybe you wouldn’t get that reaction.
Maybe stick to the tennis.
Just a thought.

I would like a tennis discussion where no one uses the terms “tards” “asshats” “butt-snuffing” or “butt hurt”.

Call me a dreamer.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

I don’t think Kvitova has the consistency to take command of the WTA.

I believe the coming years belong to Halep, Bouchard and maybe Azarenka if she can get herself back in form.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

p.s. brando, I do enjoy your POV and appreciate your points. But its silly to go around throwing bombs and then cry when your fingers get burnt.


skeezer Says:

TV,
Your on fire with your posts. Lol, spot on Dude!
#you’renotdreamin


peep Says:

brando; i hope you stick around sir.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Skeeze- epic wimbledon. We know it. See you in August if nothing interesting comes up before then. I’ll probably keep prowling for a few days. Tennis withdrawal sets in.
Jane- you da man as always!


skeezer Says:

TV,
10-4. Always good to see u around.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

As far as YE No 1 is concernced, it should be on Novak’s racquet. He has been superior player post USO for most of last 5 years along with Roger. Rafa is a big player and probably a favourite till USO, but I think he would only be defending points till then. If Rafa could again defend all his points till USO, most likely he would be out for the rest of the year looking to take care of his body for AO 15.

I’m not sure if Rafa would be too keen on YE No1, as he understands his age completely and would like to concentrate more of accumulating GS rather than lose his health fighting over the YE No 1.


Michael Says:

I think Novak has the capability to surpass Pete’s record. All that he has to do is to win two majors every year till he turns 31 and that is definitely possible. This Wimbledon was so crucial to his sagging fortunes and he played like one possessed despite the string of disappointments he had to encounter throughout the match when Roger came back strong after falling back. Still, Novak was not the one not to be rattled by such strange turns in the match and put his foot on the peddle stamping his class in the fifth set and showed to the World as to what a warrior he is ?

As regards Roger, well what can you say about this man who is defying the law of nature and showing to the World that you can pose a threat even in this so-called strong era. Not enfeebled by his advancing age, he is showing his stamina even in a five setter and stayed put with Novak till the end giving frights to him. For sure, he would be a serious contender in the next Wimbledon. Whether he will go on to win will depend on a lot of imponderables difficult to ponder at this moment.


Hippy Chic Says:

Michael i do respect you as a poster,but i think you do have a tendency to get carried away,Novaks has just won wimbledon but hes still some way from passing Sampras yet,your talking about him winning another 8 GS to do that,are we just to assume that Andy,Rafa,Stan,Delpo Roger are completely done?not getting at the guy but he won the AO in 2013 and it was another 18 months before he won another,these things get harder every year not easier,and he will also be 28 next year,which is traditionally the point in a players career that they start to fall of the perch,all he has to do is win 2 majors till hes 31,much easier said than done?


Hippy Chic Says:

Although i dont agree with the personal insults directed at other posters,that was a great post from Brando,the hatred does get a bit too much sometimes,and blogging i have to admit becomes a chore rather than a pleasure sometimes….


Giles Says:

@Brando. Please reconsider. It’s great having you around fighting Rafa’s corner.


Bon Usher Says:

Federer is immortal! :-)


Ben Pronin Says:

Surpassing 14 is a mighty task. I hope Djokovic ends with at least 10 slams. I think it’s only fitting a player of his calibre ends up in the double digits. But even with 7 he’s moved into the top 10 greatest players of all time. Not too shabby for a random Serbian kid.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Novak has had an unbelievable career, no doubt about it, and one of the best story lines is (as others have mentioned) that he blew apart the dominance of two of the greatest players of all time.

His Slam titles by themselves are of a very similar story to Mats Wilander: one year of dominance with three slams, and 4 slams scattered about his career.

3 of Wilander’s slams came against 2 all time greats: Edberg and Lendl. 4 came against lower tiered champs: Vilas, Cash and Leconte.

4 of Novak’s Slams came against 2 all time greats: Rafa and Fed, and 3 came against lower tiered champs Murray (similar to a Vilas) and Tsonga.

Mats Wilander is somehow often forgotten when we talk of greats- Becker and Edberg with 6 Slams each are better remembered.

Could this be because Wilander’s style was so boring?


TennisVagabond.com Says:

To be honest, whenever we have these discussions comparing players from different eras, it strikes me how much legendary talent was competing in the late-80′s, in the early-80′s, in the late-70′s and early-70′s.

It makes you realize that this so-called Goldern Era is not so unusual, and that it might just seem Golden after the decade of the 90′s where really just 1 all time great, and 1 almost all time great competed most of the decade. Can you believe there was a Wimbledon final between Richard Kraijek and MaliVai Washington?


TennisVagabond.com Says:

To Ben’s point, I agree, I expect a few more slams from Novak, but 14 is a DOUBLE what he has. Not going to happen.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Let’s talk about Stan.
Stan is not getting any love.
Stan went toe to toe with Federer in a match that really looked his in the first set and could have gone either way.
Of course, Fed went to to toe in the finals and was a point or two from winning Wimbledon.

This is historically Stan’s worst surface.

I think even with a QF result, Stan is showing himself a real contender and he is definitely going to be a danger in the hard court swing and USO.


Gordon Says:

Djokovic is one of the most interesting stars the tennis world has ever seen. Where Rafa and Roger today pretty well exhibit the same attitude and characteristics they did when they were 21 Nole is a different person. He is gracious in winning and losing and seems to have lost the anger he so often displayed 5 and 6 years ago.

He seemed to have a big chip on his shoulder; as if he felt many thought he didn’t belong with the big dogs.

Now every time he opens his mouth off the court he is that champion that he has become on the court.

He, along with Rafa and Roger is a grand ambassador of the sport of tennis. Good on him, and best wishes to him as he ties the knot and shortly becomes a dad.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Gordon, totally agree.
I always enjoyed Novak’s sense of humour and intelligence, but he has really grown into a gracious, thoughtful and classy dude. There is no doubt he has studied the behaviour of the #1s just before him.


Ben Pronin Says:

I don’t know, TV. Wawrinka also went out in the first round of the French, his best surface. He doesn’t seem to perform well when he’s expected to. No one expected him to win the Australian Open, he did it. So we expected a good hard court season, he was horrible. And so we overlooked him on clay, but he wins Monte Carlo. So again we expect good results, and he flames out in his next 3 events. So 0 expectations at Wimbledon and he reaches the quarters. Based on this pattern, we should expect him to flame out during the North American hard court season, then win Shanghai, and flame out the rest of the year. But already these are some kind of expections so who the hell knows?


Daniel Says:

Regarding YEC, I was thinking about it and realized no player in history of ATP ranking in the open era was ever able to be Year End #1 after a period of 6 years, spread in this spam.

All player with 3 plus finishes have their share in a spam of 6 years or less:

- Sampras (6) from 1993-1998 – 6 years Spam
- Connors (5) from 1974-1978 – 5 years Spam
- Mc Enroe (4) from 1981-1984 – 4 years Spam
- Lendl (4) from 1985-1987 plus 1989 – 5 years Spam
- Federer (5) from 2004-07 plus 2009 – 6 years spam
*Still active and in contention, but very unlikely unless he wins US Open 14′. Could break this record.
- Nadal (3) In 2008, 2010 and 2013 – 6 years Spam *Still active and still in contention for 2014, he has now the best shot to break this trend and have another record oh his own. He will be 29 by the end of 2015 so if he misses this year could try again next. 2016 he will be 30 so very unlikely.
- Djokovic (2) from 2011 to 2012 and possibly 2014.
So he still has potentially 2 years in 2015 and 2016 to tie Fed’s and Connors’s 5 YE#1 in this 6 years Spam, or break the record if he ends from 2014 to 2017. But very unlikely as he will be 30 by the end of 2017.

Analyzing this trend we can say that if Nadal doesn’t end this years as #1 his chances of ever achieving this feat is zero, statistically speaking evaluating other past greats. And Djokovic still has some years to increase his tally.

I found this an interesting stat that shows how hard it is for all of them to be on top, regardless of the era and proves that father time is ruthless, to all past champions.

Another interesting fact is that no player has ever finished Year End #1 after 30, Lendl is the oldest with 29 and 299 days.


Okiegal Says:

@Daniel

What is spam? I first read it as span, and read it again and realized I read it wrong. Just curious.


Okiegal Says:

I too agree that Novak has come along way in celebrating a slam final. Thank goodness he doesn’t rip off his shirt and beat on his chest like Tarzan and look so vicious and mean out of his eyes. The Aussie celebration was a bit much for me. The Wimby celebration was a class act…..Yes he has matured a lot…..I’m liking him again!! He is a heck of a tennis player. When him and Roger, Rafa and Murray hit the courts against each other…..well. you are in for a treat!! Looking forward to more finals…..with Rafa in them of course!! Oh, I left out Wa Wa, he can be awesome too! Looking forward to more finals……..and hope Rafa is a finalist!


Klaas Says:

I have read some interesting posts from Brandon, but the first time I ever posted a rather neutral opinion on this site in a heated discussion, I was put down as an interfering nobody. You reap as you saw.
Personally I agree with Vagabond. Reasonable comments usually get reasonable replies. I find it strange that people get so emotionally caught up in players they have never met, that they loose perspective, and worse, the fun about exchanging thoughts and ideas.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Ben, well put but I think your expectation is wrong. The big 3 have conditioned you to expect sublime consistency from top players. This has historically not been the case until fed. Wawrinka can have success in the mold of Murray, a top talent who challenges at unpredictable intervals.


Klaas Says:

Tennis Vagabond:
About Wilander: a tactical genius with a limited arsenal. I still remember him in a final on RG with a first serve percentage of about 80 in the first set, 90 in the second, and 100 in the third. Needless to say there were no aces. I also rember one rally where the ball went over 80 times! Needless to say nobody went for the lines. But Wilander won the point.

I also remember him getting 1 game on an indoors clay court against Edberg, on a day Edberg hit his forehand at will. Whenever Edberg found his forehand, he was practically unbeatable.


Hippy Chic Says:

IMO we are all guilty at times of putting our favorites up on some pedestal,believing they are saints,and to discuss a grey area or any wrong doing of a rival,or say you dont like this or that,is seen as pure sacrilege,what we should all see is that these people are amazing champions that bring us alot of pleasure,but on the other hand realize that they are not perfect either….


Okiegal Says:

@Klaas

You last sentence……”I find it strange that people etc…..I find that strange myself. You have a point…..if we really new all these players up close and personal, heck, we might not could stand to be in the same room with them………LOL Just a thought….


jamie Says:

Let me guess? In a few weeks Sean Randall will pick Djokovic to win the USO. LOL. He will be wrong again.

Sean has gotten all the slam winners wrong this year. At the AO he predicted Nadal would beat Wawrinka in the final. Wrong. At the FO he predicted Djokovic would beat Nadal in the final. Wrong. At Wimbledon he predicted Federer would beat Djokovic in the final. Wrong. Expect another wrong prediction by Sean at the USO.

Djokovic will not win the USO even though Sean will predict him as the winner.

The USO winner this year will be Wawrinka or Federer.


Daniel Says:

Okiegal, that was a typo, it was suppose to be “span” kkk
Thanks for noting.


SG1 Says:

Ben,

Who’s in your top ten all-time? Better yet, I’ll have a guess and let’s see where we differ in opinion.

1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Sampras
4. Laver
5. Borg
6. Lendl
7. Connors
8. Djokovic
9. McEnroe
10. Wilander


SG1 Says:

Of course I’m biased to the Open Era as most of us probably will be.


SG1 Says:

Ben,

My list would be

1. Nadal
2. Federer
3. Sampras
4. Borg
5. Laver
6. Lendl
7. Connors
8. McEnroe
9. Djovkoic
10. Wilander


Daniel Says:

Jamie,

I read on Sally Kirkman that Fed has an excellent chart for September, will he? She also picked right for Wimbledon, predicting Djokovic:-)


Ben Pronin Says:

TV, point taken. But I do think Wawrinka is a little too old to be like Murray. For a while, Murray’s Masters results were pretty much unparalleled. Wawrinka isn’t even close to that. Also, keep in mind that he’s actually quite injury prone. Nothing that’s kept him out for a significant chunk of time but his results have been affected throughout the years. I don’t know. I just think he fluked this year.

SG1, I didn’t give it much thought. I placed him there based on slam count in the Open Era. I’m inclined to agree with your list except for the lack of Agassi. If we’re including Laver then I feel like Rosewall and Emerson shouldn’t be overlooked. Emerson had more slams than Laver, even.


Hippy Chic Says:

Daniel Jamie predicted Stan to win the USO,that prediction will probably change a gazillion times between now and then,as it usually does,it will probably be Novak by then,as Novak is his favorite….


Daniel Says:

Yes HC, he actually now is saying Federer along with Wawa. kkk

But his RG and Wimbledon came way back and he didn’t change those. I just want to see if he gets on a run, just for fun…


Hippy Chic Says:

Daniel well it wouldnt take a genius to predict Rafa winning RG,and Novak was due a GS,it didnt take nostradamus to predict either,he picked Novak for the AO which was woefully wrong,his predictions change with the wind,expect it to be something very different in a few weeks,still whatever floats your boat i suppose….


Hippy Chic Says:

Also didnt H/S say Federer was done winning GS?


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Ben, good point re Murray’s Masters success. But I don’t need facts. I believe Wawrinka will take out a Big Three at a Slam in the next year.
I also believe Gulbis, Dmitrov and Raonic will.


Ogiegal Says:

Daniel, I think you are a year off on your span thingy….you need to deduct a year on each.


Giles Says:

Raonic is a shower. He won’t be taking out one of the big three/ four this year, next year or the year after that!


Daniel Says:

No Oki because I am counting the first years they finish year End #1 to the last,

Example:
- Fed from 2004-2007 (4 years) + 2008 (where he wasn’t #1) + 2009 (where he was number 1). Total of 6 years from 2004 to 2009.

- Nadal 2008 (first Year End #1) + 2009 (where he wasn’t) + 2010 (second YE#1) + 2011-2012 (2 years where he wasn’t #1 plus 2013 (last year so far where he finished #1). Total of 6 years from 2008 to 2013.

The other are easy because most where straight years a apart from Lendl which was in a period of 5 years.


Ogiegal Says:

@Daniel

I see now…..I was counting like you would a pregnancy…..lol Ask a female what I mean by that if ya don’t dig!! LOL Thanks for the explanation…..appreciate it!


roy Says:

why do people keep thinking kids affect any of these people? they are millionaires with wives who don’t have to work and can afford to bring nannies everywhere anyway. they can hire multiple hotel rooms/apartments during tournaments … come on. they are not changing nappies at 2 in the morning before the big game.

as for nadal, he’s actually played less tennis than normal for this period. so he might find himself fresher, mentally and physically for the end stretch. the question for the usopen is who will beat him outside of djoker? it’s hard to see anyone right now. murray is not in peak form. who else? even the false-threat delpo is gone.

thing is hard courts have bounce and allow nadal time to return. there aren’t too many people who can beat him now in a 5set match on hard court, contrary to popular opinion.
i still think he has to be one of the favs for the usopen unless something changes.


Hippy Chic Says:

Its a credit to these 3 players that they are the ones that have dominated the number 1 ranking,all 3 have won multiple GS in a year,especially Fedal who have multiple GS multiple years,although Novak could do that too this year if he were to win the USO too,unless Jamie were right and Stan does win the USO,morally he would then be the number 1 player of the year,anyway these three players have been the most consistent players for the last decade….


Hippy Chic Says:

LOL Not only is Jamie picking the USO winner,H/S is also predicting who Sean will pick as the winner….


Colin Says:

I wish Sean – and sometimes others – would not keep referring to Fed’s defeat of Sampras at Wimbledon as his “breakthrough”. A real breakthrough is followed by consistent top-level performances, surely. Hence Kvitova’s first Wimbledon win was not a breakthrough in retrospect (the only way one can really judge anything), though her second hopefully will be.

In the very next round after beating Sampras, Roger was beaten by the much-maligned Tim Henman. The match is on YouTube and you can see Fed getting very frustrated, almost indignant. For about a year or more,Tim gave Roger problems, and led the head-to-head. Then, when Federer became Federer, so to speak, that run ended.


Daniel Says:

Djoko also is the player who less played this year, only 8 tourneys (3 GS, 4 Masters, Dubai) where he won 4. NAdal for example, played 11 tourneys so far (3 GS, 5 Masters, Halle, Rio and Doha) won 3.

Agreed Roy, Nadal is one of the pre favorites for US Open. I just want to see how he perform in both US Masters to gauge him better. Both years he won US Open (10′ and 13′) he won a hard Masters in US Open swing. We all know Nadal build on confidence. Last year he lost early in Wimbledon but got that third set tiebreaker defeat on Novak in Canada semis which propelled his HC success. If he doesn’t win any of the 2 masters or doesn’t make a final or have another loss to Djoko, it may jeopardize his confidence.

Will see in due time.


Kimberly Says:

Vegas has nadal as the second favorite for USO but a big difference in the odds between the favorite (djoker) and rafa. Nadal odds much closer to Murray, (3rd favorite. then Federer is 4 then Wawa 5. This probably is pretty reflective of reality.


judee Says:

hippy very true what you said about Jamie


jane Says:

jamie – thanks for telling us your predictions. can you also answer something else? is novak djokovic your favourite tennis player? i ask because i remember you saying on here that andy murray is actually your favourite but hippy chick often brings up that you like nole best. can you clarify? just curious.

like daniel, i am also very curious to see if the latest prediction – fed or wawrinka for the us open – keeps your run of right picks alive. do you bet? ;)


jane Says:

roy, is it true that nadal’s actually played less tennis than normal? it’s true that he didn’t win every – or almost every – clay event he entered, but it seems like he’s played more tournaments. until last year, for example, didn’t he used to skip the south american clay swing? it seems like he’s added events not cut them. he also went deeper at wimbledon than the last 2 years. but you’d know his stats more than me. if you say he’s played less you’re probably right.


Patson Says:

The bigger problem with Rafa is that he has NEVER defended a title on hard-courts. For as good a player he is, this is not a big deal but it is very strange. However, I am being a bit unfair. Take out Nole’s blistering form in 2011, and Rafa would’ve won Wimbledon and the US open as well.

Rafa will have to go through Nole once again if he were to make the finals. I would be super surprised/disappointed not to see Nole in the Rogers cup finals and US open finals. Cincy is a Masters where Fed always has a great shot at winning.

Will Rafa defend his first hard-court title in the coming summer ? The cliched ‘We’ll have to see’


Hippy Chic Says:

Jane just wondering,but did you see my post on the other thread,asking how you felt about Murray winning Wimbledon last year,just interested as hes your second favorite,and youve never actually said much about it,just curious?


Patson Says:

@Hippy Chic: Not that you asked me but I wasn’t super disappointed. I really really wanted Andy to win against Fed in AO 2010. He didn’t win against him but he ended up winning against Nole 2 years later at the US open, and then at Wimbledon.

Anybody who starts shedding tears at the ceremony ends up having my sympathy and support. But I hate it when they beat Nole in a slam final because it leaves me in a state of emotional contradiction.


calmdownplease Says:

I think some of you are over hyping Novak and Fed after that Wimbledon final. There was nothing in it that showed either of them will be overwhelming favourites at the USO.
It might boil down to favourable schedules and draws for whoever and a little bit of luck.
But the last slam of the year is definitely wide open.
This slam win from Novak was nothing like 2011.

@TVagabond
`Wawrinka can have success in the mold of Murray, a top talent who challenges at unpredictable intervals…`
`good point re Murray’s Masters success. But I don’t need facts..`

Enuff said really.
lol! Is it because he is Swiss perhaps?


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic is always an overwhelming favorite to make it deep into a slam, regardless of the surface. And now that he’s finally gotten through his mental block of crossing the finish line, he almost has to be considered the favorite. It’s not just the Wimbledon final. Djokovic has been playing very well all year. He has quality wins over all of his biggest rivals except Wawrinka. He’s also best on hard courts. And he’s made the US Open final for the last 4 years. Rafa taught us that you’re the man to beat until proven otherwise. So until Djokovic loses before the final, he’s the favorite to get there. And once there, you simply have to like his chances considering his form overall.

As for Federer, well, I don’t know. He used to be dynamite at the US Open until the last few years. But he’s also been playing really well this year and Wimbledon, overall, showed that he still has what it takes to perform at the highest level during a slam. I wouldn’t put him above Nadal, though. But a third favorite, maybe. Where Murray stacks up remains to be seen. If he has poor results at the Masters then I’d keep him below Federer. If he does well then maybe a joint third favorite.

Then there’s Wawrinka and everyone else. I still don’t believe in Wawrinka, but we’ll see.


Hippy Chic Says:

Thanks Patson im just interested in a fans take when both are favorites,and it effects their feelings when they are facing off in a final,Nadal and Murray are my two favorites so i would love to see a GS final between the two at some point,but it must feel quite perculiar i wouldve thought?however the tennis gods dont seem to want me to get my wish,although we have had every permetation all bar that one?….


calmdownplease Says:

I just think it’s funny the way certain people go on and on about Wawrinka, missing the obvious about that final, his age for his first masters and slam etc, but never cease to find negative reasons why Murray got his (first 2)slams and how `lucky` he was. So predictable and perspicuous to everyone it seems but themselves lol.
Anyway, I put Novak and Nadal (you know the defending champ!) near equal favs for the US. With Rafa given his recent dominance over everyone in the most slams (esp Novak) having the distinct edge.
It’s funny, I remember when I first started watching tennis in earnest & the commentators were wondering if Novaks first slam was a one off and if he would ever win another.
This was a few months before AO 2011.
But here we are in 2014 with 2-7 in recent slam finals, despite Novak still always seemingly being the favourite for every slam.
Surely Nadal doesnt look as forceful as he did last year, but this is a winnable slam for him and unlike Wimbledon, he’ll be ready.
Nothings written on the wall for either of them in my opinion.
As for Andy, well I obviously don’t agree with Sean that we might have seen the best from him.
I think after his surgey and the last year he has had with loss of coaches and fitness and all the disturbances therin, it is a question of when not if he gets back to the very top.
But we’ll see if the best is yet to come.
A much needed training block in Miami has begun, the first proper one since the beginning of his recovery. He certainly needs to get fitter and at 27 he certainly will, while being the healthiest and most experienced he has ever been.


calmdownplease Says:

*therein :(


calmdownplease Says:

I don’t think Andy will be a factor in this US Open, sadly. I’m certainly up for being surprised and he is the only one in my view that could upset the aapplecart. But maybe the Asian swing is where he gets back to his best, genuinely this time.
I’ll start to worry if he is still struggling by then.


Ben Pronin Says:

Before Wimbledon, Djokovic’s last 4 slam results were F, F, QF, F. The reason he’s always a favorite at slams is because he’s always there at the end. And this Wimbledon win was long overdue. But is it really surprising that a guy who’s always making finals wins one? He’s also great on every surface, which is why he’s always pegged as a favorite. He’s a hard guy to bet against at any stage before the quarters or semis and even there you’re still taking a pretty big risk.

Murray’s last 4 slam results are QF, QF, SF, QF. Not particularly bad, but it’s harder to see this guy as a favorite over the guy making finals.

Nadal still holds 2 slams so he’s an obvious favorite no matter how much anyone wants to say he sucks on hard. It’s almost too easy to say he’s a favorite. He doesn’t have mental blocks winning semis or finals.


calmdownplease Says:

So who said Murray was the favourite, eh?
A Murray at his very best is more than a match up for Novak, and he knows it too, particularly on faster surfaces.
And always putting Novak as `THE` favourite not `A` favourite when he often comes up short is a little strange to me. Although it is no biggie, he’s certainly one of the in form players (I think) now and of course the World Number 1.
Anyway to me Nadal (on paper) is `the`(no caps) favourite for the US Open, for the reasons I have given.
I dont care how confident Novak fans might be, it is clear that he has a few issues now with Nadal on the biggest stages.
As Nadal had with him before, it could def change but until proven otherwise….


funches Says:

Djokovic has a better chance of catching Sampras for slam titles than he does of not getting to double digits.

Too many people bring up past eras to predict inevitable declines when a player reaches a certain age. With advances in nutrition and training, guys can play at a top level for a longer period now, and Djokovic is a threat to win every slam he plays. It’s hard to imagine him not having 10 slams by the end of the next year at the latest.


calmdownplease Says:

Federer will have good scheduling at the US (he always, does given his status). But even with a good draw there are just too many players that can hurt him on a HC. In comparison with the grass.
But its probably his next best chance given its a pretty fast court.


calmdownplease Says:

@funches

Yes that is true, its a necessary part of human nature to assume things from past examples of seemingly the same thing will always prove to be the same..
So Things seemingly go a tried and tested way and prove to be predictable until, well they do not.
Then one has to adopt a new perspective on how things will be from now on.
What we know is that the tour is definitely getting older and the changes in court speed, nutrition, science and all the rest seem to have converged to change standards and expectations again.
Look at all the relatively underachieving juniour stars like Dimitrov and Raonic, maybe they are not yet underachieving, and that this is just the new norm.
Still be surprised if Novak gets to 14 however.


Ben Pronin Says:

“Djokovic has a better chance of catching Sampras for slam titles than he does of not getting to double digits.”

To make this easier for myself to understand, you’re saying he has a better chance of winning 7 more slams than he does of NOT winning at LEAST 3 more. I’d have to agree but at the end of the day you just never know. Injuries, other players, kids, what have you, can all come into play out of nowhere and derail him. After 2011 I thought he’d get to 10 pretty fast. But he only has 3 slams since then. Sure at this rate he’ll get to 10 by the time he’s 30. But who knows by then. Federer is able to play at an exceptionally high level at his age but he’s still finding it nearly impossible to win another slam.


andrea Says:

what a diatribe. if you don’t want to post here anymore, than don’t post. its a tad self aggrandizing and melodramatic to go on and on about why you aren’t going to post and subsequently martyring yourself in the process, over a…….tennis player?


jonathan Says:

Such knee jerking reaction is typical of short sighted thinking in tennis… “media”.

Very entertaining final to be sure. One of the most entertaining matches of all time. The first set in particular was simply stunning.

I thought Novak’s mental letdowns displayed in earlier rounds would not stand and would be his demise in the final.

Yes, Federer played great but faced little competition prior to the final – a combination of over thirties, clay courters, a still developing Raonic and an over hyped and slumping Wawrinka who’d never been past the 4th round.

At the very least, let’s just say that he was well rested entering the match.

Fact is, if it wasn’t for Novak’s intermittent letdowns with set point in the first on his racquet and up a break (twice no less) and serving for it in the 4th set, this could have easily been won in straight sets.

Still not convinced Nole is back where he needs to be mentally in finals having struggled against the likes of Steps and Cilic.

Nadal struggling on hard courts this summer? Perhaps. Perhaps not but sure sounds like nothing more than typical wishful thinking amongst the Federer faithful here.


SG1 Says:

Don’t think there was 4th set letdown from Novak as much as a massive push from Federer. Federer realized the magnitude of the situation and he upped his game. Even at 32, Fed’s able to kick it into a gear that Novak doesn’t have. He can’t sustain it, but he doesn’t have to. He needs that extra gear to get out of trouble and that’s exactly what he did.


SG1 Says:

I was way off on the Wimbledon predictions going with Murray so I won’t make that mistake again for the USO. Not until starts beating the upper echelon guys again.

Hard to pick against Novak because he seems to get to the end every time. Can’t count out Nadal at the USO anymore than Fed at Wimbledon. I think that Nadal has evolved to really like hard court tennis (…except for the obvious wear and tear on his knees). Fed’s a 5 time champion and 6 time finalist.

No clue who’s going to win this. Can’t see Dimitrov, Raonic, Nishikori or Cilic breaking through yet. Have to see how the hard court season goes I guess.


RZ Says:

Sean, I’m disappointed that of all the reasons you could have thought of for Serena crashing out at Wimbledon – fatigue, illness, lack of motivation – that you went for the “women’s issues” card. That may really be your opinion on what really happened to Serena but it seems a bit sexist to me.


Hippy Chic Says:

Novaks chances of winning another 7 GS rather than not are easier said than done,if we say that then we could also say theres more chance of Rafa surpassing Roger than not,or of Roger winning more GS than not etc,and yes traditionally 28 is the age in a players career that a player starts to fall of their perch,people are saying Rafas going that way even though hes made 2 GS finals this year,will he make any more who knows?but you have to take into account that new players are making a breakthrough,so these things get harder with age not easier?….


jane Says:

i am hoping nole wins cincy for the stand-alone masters sweep. obviously i hope to see him do well at the us open too, especially because he’s apparently skipping bejing and shanghai because it’s near the baby’s due date. indeed, that might be turn out to be a distraction during the open. hard to say.

for me, it’ll be interesting to see what this wimbledon win meant for nole going forward, i.e., whether it’ll free him up or not.

hippy, obviously it was nice for andy to get that monkey off his back and break the 77 year old drought. but i’d be lying if i didn’t say i would’ve loved to see him do it against someone NOT named nole, who my heart always pulls for – no matter what.


Tennis lover Says:

Rafa may not win anothep GS may be another one. But talk of Djokovic bettering Rafa’s record is absolutely ridiculous. That ain’t gonna happen. And, more importantly, Djoker won’t win his most coveted French Open..


jane Says:

jonathan, nole had set point on his *serve* in the tiebreak in set 1 too. but, you never know what “would have” happened. would nole have won in straights? maybe fed would’ve got that 3rd set tiebreak if nole got the first set one. we don’t know. i do agree, though, that he should’ve served it out in set 4.


Kevin Says:

Related to the topic that apparently Djokovic had a recent “mental block winning slam finals”:

Does anyone else find this to be a specious or arbitrary claim?

When you play as many finals as Djokovic does, you’re going to lose a few. It’s statistically inevitable, isn’t it? Couldn’t losing 3 in a row just be coincidence, or part of the normal distribution of winning and losing if you look at enough data points?

Sure, even Djokovic himself alluded to “mentally fading” against Nadal at RG this year, but isn’t it possible to mentally fade in any match, even one this isn’t a final? Especially if it’s a long, 5-set match?

Doesn’t it seem that we sometimes jump to unfounded conclusions about mental toughness or lack thereof?

Another example of this is Federer. He’s sometimes described as having “ice in his veins” for the the way he performs under pressure like nobody else. But then he’s called “mentally fragile” for having a poor record in 5 sets, or for having recently lost several close 3-set matches.

How about this for an explanation? Sometimes he just loses! It happens. When you play a lot of matches — as top players do — you’re sometimes going to see some seemingly odd patterns in the distributions of wins and losses.

But might anyone who’s taken an introductory course in statistics just see this is as normal? Djokovic winning Wimbledon this year — is it really him “overcoming mental demons” or is it simply regression to the mean?

In our quest to find meaning in everything, maybe we ascribe too much to too little?


Hippy Chic Says:

Thanks for the feedback Jane,i was just curious,with Andy been your second favorite and all….


Hippy Chic Says:

I always derive more pleasure from Rafas titles especially GS off clay,especially HC GS,he gets little or no credit anymore for CC titles or FOs he wins,hes a two time USO champion so i believe he would stand a good chance there,or at the AO where hes made 3 finals,would love another AO for a second CGS,usually when you win 5 GS off clay its considered good enough for most players but it doesnt seem to be for Rafa for some reason?


Daniel Says:

“it is clear that he has a few issues now with Nadal on the biggest stages.”

Hum.. don’t agree with this sentence. When you think about it, the “big stages” – Slams, where Novak is having problems with Nadal is RG. He lost 2 out of 3 Slams after 2011 to Nadal in RG, in US Open they are even, 3-3 after 2011.

So, RG is a Slam everybody is expected to lose to Nadal, hence his ridiculous record of 66-1 with 9 titles and only one loss to Soderling.

The problem for DJoko is since he is the most successful player against Nadal and is 4-4 against him on clay after 2011 we expect him to also be beating Nadal on RG. BUt this year just prove us that Nadal own’s that court and pretty much will only be beaten by time there. I too thought Novak would win this year due to his 4 straight wins plus Rome and the way Nadal was losing on clay.

SO this concept of Djoko having a problem with Nadal in Slams finals is not true to me. He have a problem with him in RG, as does anybody else. He is just the only who plays him close, with real chances. If he loses another Slams final to Nadal outside RG than we can say he has a problem with him. Last year North America HC, Nadal was on a high and Djoko low after losing Wimbledon and RG and even so he lost to Nadal Canada tiebreak.

This year with his confidence of 4 win on Hard plus this Wimbledon win, think he is still favorite if he plays Nadal in finals. And we still have to evaluate Nadal’s form on tourney on Hard. Because Djoko we know will play at a high level as he almost always does on this courts.


Hippy Chic Says:

IMO The USO is more open than the AO,Novak is the favorite no doubt,but hes also lost 3 finals to Andy and Rafa,unlike the AO which hes won 4 finals his most dominant GS….


Ben Pronin Says:

“in US Open they are even, 3-3 after 2011.”

Daniel, 3-3 at the US Open? Nadal is 2-1 against Djokovic at the US Open. But besides that, I tend to agree.

Kevin, I feel you. Where’s MMT because he’d agree wholeheartedly. He hates all the mental strength/weakness mumbo-jumbo.


Daniel Says:

Ben,

That was poor sentence construction by me, the 3-3 was relating to the beginning of the sentence when I say he lost 3 GS finals to Nadal, but to at RG. I added the US Open to highlight that after 2011 they are 1-1 and it seems that I was saying they were 3-3. I know he is 1-2 in US Open finals to Nadal as well, but want to point out that after 2011, 1-1.

I think Djoko should have 2+ US Open by now and if not for Federer to win this year think he deserves it. They guy is making semis and beyond ever since 2007, 5 finals and 2 semis. He WILL be there with the final 4. Who will be among him is a question mark for me now. Can’t see him losing before. AO he lost to Wawa in a close fifth set. Somebody will have to deliver big to know him out before semis.


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic should have at least 3 US Opens by now. Of all the crazy things in sports, this is the most astonishing to me. To have such a ridiculous record but only 1 title. Ok he had the Federer wall from 07-09. And he wasn’t in half as good of shape as Nadal was in 2010. But he gifts Murray the 2012 and crumbles against Nadal in 2013. Sometimes it’s so frustrating being a Djokovic fan.


Hippy Chic Says:

Personally i dont buy this talk of a player deserving this or that,Novak won Wimbledon because he earned it,not because he deserved it,nobody dropped a brick on his toes,he was merely beaten in those other GS matches by better players is all….


Tennis lover Says:

Mark my word, US Open 2014 will break Djokovic- Nadal’s slam winning spree..wait for that moment…


Hippy Chic Says:

Tennis lover(with a space),well Jamies pyschic friend has said it will be Roger or Stan,so you will be delighted then if its the first one….


jane Says:

kevin, interesting post. i think stats/law of averages comes into it. but nole was losing finals specifically so that’s maybe why the talk of mental demons/getting over the last hurdle etc came into play. i also think it’s difficult to discount the idea that losses make one doubt and more losses can compound the doubt. similarly confidence helps with wins, which increases confidence, which begets more wins. that’s why players tend to go on runs/streaks. like nole in 2011 almost all year. or nadal last year on hard courts, where he won canada and then just kept winning until post-USO. and even then he made at least a couple finals – bejing, WTF. so it’s probably a combination of all these factors.


Kevin Says:

Jane, I hear ya.

Another dubious claim is when someone says that the winner “wanted it more.”

Come on. These are professionals. With some obvious exceptions for guys who dog it sometimes — Fognini and Monfils come to mind — do we really believe that a pro tennis player loses due to a lack of effort?

Djokovic, Nadal and Federer have won 34 of the last 38 slams — merely because they always “wanted it more” than any of the other 127 guys in the draw? Surely their talent and a bit of luck has had a lot more to do with their dominance.


James Says:

Novak is the World #1 again. Rightly so. He’s proven to be the best player of 2014 after winning his 7th Grand Slam title at Wimbledon defeating Roger Federer in the final. He has to be the favorite for the upcoming North American hard court swing.

Rafa will need to serve much better than he has so far this season if he is to be the man in the USO series again. He improved his return this year but his serve has been average since injuring his back in Australian Open final. He struggled to hold his serve against a lot of quality players this year. Sean may have written him off for the year, but if Rafa is serving well again, he’s going to awfully tough to beat even on hard court. He may have never defended a title off clay in his career so far. But this is Rafa Nadal. He breaks all kinds of records.


James Says:

@Brando, if you’re reading this, I hope you reconsider your decision to leave this site for good. You’re one of my favorites. I like reading your posts.


Giles Says:

@Brando. I second James’ post. Please do reconsider and give us the benefit of your excellent posts.
#PleasePlease


Goose Egg Says:

Murray has only 270 points to defend between now and the US Open. I wonder if he can move up into the top 8 before then. If not, he could (gasp) face a top 4 player (Djoko, Nadal, Fed, or Wawa, most likely) before the quarters. That could cause some SERIOUS drama. Everyone will be dissecting the draw when that happens


calmdownplease Says:

ummm Sorry, but Confidence is hardly a specious concept in sports! It’s everything. Confidence simply makes humans naturally perform better in any activity.
So he’s lost the last 4 slam finals he has played against Nadal. Ergo my comment.
Novak is my second fav player (by some distance) coming as he does from the same gen as Andy, albeit the `big brother` if you like.
But even though 3 of the losses were RG finals(and I do take your point on that)the other one was the upcoming slam, so I’m still going to give Rafa the slight edge for the time being anyway.
It’s not just about the mental edge of winning or other nebulous concepts but if you lose to the same player it will undoubtedly affect your confidence. That’s normal. Novak, if you ask a lot of his fans has had confidence or motivational issues for quite a while.
It’s obvious he has!
Look at the way he closed off Wimbledon, Novak 2011 would not have choked like that, no way.
There is also usually is some kind of tactical back and forth between Nadal and Novak, particularly since Novak became the `big bad` in 2011.
And (in my opinion remember!) at the moment it’s hard not to see Nadal as having the edge there, for now at least until proven otherwise in slam finals.
Best of 3 is an entirely different affair and he is clearly on top of that.
Also Novak hasn’t just lost `a few finals`, good grief even with this win he is 2 of the last 7. Imagine without it at 1-7 due to a fading 33 yr old Fed? Well, I think that would have been a bit of a disaster and I don’t give a damn what you lot think.
Wow all these Novak fans here, they feel so `federish` in their approach :)


Hippy Chic Says:

Im not a hater,but i do find it funny that Novaks losses are merely shrugged off, as him been the player that lost the matches by gifting his rivals their wins,i mean i believe pure and simple that Novak was the superior player against Roger on Sunday,i just find it a tad unfair when his rivals wins are made out to be because they were lucky,or due to the fact Novak was not at his best,instead of just saying this player or that player won the title/match simply because they were the better player?


calmdownplease Says:

Well HC, it depends where one goes on the internet.
And whose fans are doing the posting lol.
Nadal fans can be the worst for this someplaces for example.
Here it seems Novak is an unstoppable force devoid of any imperfections etc.
Personally, I don’t think Novak will get another 2011 again. There seemed to be some kind of huge comedown after that anyway so perhaps it’s for the best.
Clearly he’s already one of the best players ever.


calmdownplease Says:

Novak Djokovic has become an unwitting proxy for the tacky, glory hunting, `hubba hubba 17 & counting` type of fed fans. They don’t care about his tennis at all, just as long as he racks them up against you know who. Which means that even when Roger finally retires we still won’t be rid of them.


Hippy Chic Says:

CDP you do make alot of sense,all fan groups get rather touchy sometimes,god forbid when somebody dares to have a difference of opinion,believing these players should be put up on some type of pedestal,i did agree with alot of what Brando said,aside from the person insults directed at other posters,the players are fair game as long as we dont bring it down to a personal level insulting their families and how they lead their lives etc,i had the audacity to once say that i dont make a big issue about players and their foundations,it was scene as pure sacrilege and not to be tolerated on this forum….


Giles Says:

This year’s men’s final got a 1.9 overnight rating on ESPN making it the lowest rated Wimby men’s final since 1996. It got even less than the Murray/Djokovic final of last year which got a 2.0 rating.


calmdownplease Says:

Well I’ll insult anybody if i think they’re being stupid, sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind :)
I’m quite touchy about Andy too, but the idolatory and living vacaiously through a tennis players achievements thing is not good. It shows a weakness of character. You should like a tennis player first and foremost because you like his tennis, not how many (hubba hubba!) slams he’s racking up.
These shallow Fed fans that luuurvee Novak and haaaate Andy…always finding new ways to denigrate him are particularly odious.
Im not saying you can’t be a fan of Fed and Novak (and anybody else). Not at all.
I’m just suspicious of some of the above Fed fans that prefer a player like Novak anyway whose playing style is, when all is said and done rather akin to the dreaded Rafa’s style.
IE The style that they apparently `hated` for all these years.
What is the reason for the dramatic transformation in taste then eh?
Andy is clearly the more `fed like` in style (ie in variety, ball skils and pure tennis)of the two, although he is tactically more like Nadal in court awareness and playing strategically rather than instinctively.
And is also a defender first and foremost like the other 2 and not like Fed.
But its all lost on them, he can’t beat Nadal and he has only 2 slams so he can get stuffed.
Best not to have such `fans` anyway lol.


jonathan Says:

You raise some very good points.

To be fair CDP, how can a fed fan appreciate a style of tennis that consistently beats Federer who, by definition, already has the peRFect style. Explains why they are not big on Andy too.

Nole fits in quite well to their preferred “style” as he has had better success against Nadal and hasn’t beaten Fed with near the consistency of Nadal (or even Murray) both of whom he has a losing h2h.

I see a trend here.


skeezer Says:

So funny reading these “supposed” fans of the Game. You have no idea. Some of these are post border maniacal. Fed fans don’t like Andy because? Who made this up? Fed fans cheer Novak to protect Feds legacy? Who made this up? Pahleasse. You gals need another hobby.
Now I see why the quality posters don’t get into this kind of talk. It has nothing to do with what really matters about the game.


calmdownplease Says:

So what are you getting your knickers into a twist about?
I said (now pay attention)SOME Fed fans.
Not all or most.
Chill.


Giles Says:

Cdp. I think you touched a nerve! Read post on July 11th at
10.44 am. Lol


skeezer Says:

What do mean knickers? Sox? Don’t wear those.
How do you even know “some” Fed fans, they told you?
I am chilled just short of perfection.


Daniel Says:

CDP,
NOvak lost 3 straight finals to NAdal not 4, and he is 2-5 and wouldn’t be 1-7 if he lost, 1-6. This minor mistakes makes some stats look worst than they actually are.

I agree that losing finals in Slam is always bad, but losing 2 finals out of 3 in RG to Nadal is not bad for any player (at least he won sets in both finals), something not everybody was able to do before:-) Remains to be seen who will have an edge in their next slams meeting (outside RG at least).

Regarding fandom as a whole, people have to realuse there is tennis outside Fed, Nadal, Djoko and etc.. The ones who really like the sport will continue after them, their records tough will stay for us to compare future generations. It’s just that right now we are living an era where 3 players won 38 Slams in the last 47, so this is huge.

Also don’t agree that Djoko’s game is defensive like., He has the second best defense on tour, but he trys to finish points and ocmand. Not like Fed who goes for lines and really attacking game at every shot but he t6ends to command the point, right form the return.

Agree with you that Murray on tennis skill, on paper is more Federer like, but on court he doesn’t use all he got and is too passive most of the time. He is way more defensive than Djokovic through out his career, plays much more like Nadal than Novak. Last years he is more aggressive and a joy to watch apart form when he just doesn’t come to play. But he should be playing more offensive. Maybe with age and when his body not holding as before he will have to revert to more attacking tennis to finish points quicker. His touch on net is superb and you see the difference how he and Fed feels comfortable on net play, compare to Nadal and Djoko. Nadal volleys decent and a great short volley but he only goes for a winner volley and we got this false sense he is a great volleyer which in my opinion he isn’t.


jonathan Says:

Novak has lost the last four slam matches against Rafa. 0-4. (The SF loss at the French in 2013 was the final for all intents and purposes.)

So, since his drop-off after 2011, it really is just Nadal who has his number in slams on a consistent basis.

Hope this helps.


calmdownplease Says:

It’s an English term.
How do I know “some” fed fans?!?
Please haha
I’m clairvoyant!!
They’re not exactly unicorns, are they?
(Or are they?)
They’ve even been to known to post here & elsewhere occasionally.
So, You’re chilled `short of perfection`eh?
Good for you then, keep it up :)


jonathan Says:

Of course, by comparison, Federer has lost the last six slam meetings vs Nadal – three on clay, two on hard court and one on grass, all of two of which were finals.

Murray has lost the last five slam meetings vs Nadal- two on clay, two on grass and one on hard court – all semis interestingly.

So, from that standpoint, on a positive note, Nole is doing better in that regard than both Fed and Muzza.

Rafa really does have the other Top 4′s numbers in slams lately on more than just clay.


calmdownplease Says:

Yes, Yes Daniel.
Andy is too passive, needs to sort it out.
Totally agree, but Novak Djokovic’s(who can turn offensive on a dime)real strength is in his return game first and foremost.
Its what the stats say, but yes he is more aggressive certainly than Murray.


calmdownplease Says:

`Rafa really does have the other Top 4′s numbers in slams lately on more than just clay…`

Andy underperformed in RG (although he would have still lost)and (unlike Novak!) has been too defensive against Rafa in the past.
He tried to beat him at his own game, never gonna work.
Either Andy takes the ball early and seeks to impose his game or he will lose against Nadal 10 times out of 10.
Anywhere.


jonathan Says:

Specifically, Novak’s ROS in particular is simply the best the game has ever witnessed.


nadalista Says:

@jonathan, excuse me please. When you say,

“So, from that standpoint, on a positive note, Nole is doing better in that regard than both Fed and Muzza.”

Is this what Stanislas (oops, Stan) means by his motto, “fail better?”


calmdownplease Says:

`Specifically, Novak’s ROS in particular is simply the best the game has ever witnessed..`

Andy’s is very close.


Kevin Says:

Giles Says:
“This year’s men’s final got a 1.9 overnight rating on ESPN making it the lowest rated Wimby men’s final since 1996.”

Maybe we lost some casual viewers this year to World Cup soccer?

It’s kind of frustrating that tennis just had one of its most dramatic finals in years — yet nobody knows about it.

When I tell people that Djokovic beat Federer, the typical response is, “Wow, Federer lost?” (They think he still wins everything. They also don’t know that Agassi retired, lol.)


Daniel Says:

Novak’s return indeed is his best shot and part of his game.

He usually finds that area on the feet of players, around baseline to 2 feet in the service back in the middle and flat returns. I was amazed of some return of Fed’s first serve.

You know his game is clicking when he hits those spots repeatedly. Also some second serves he was going for clean winners.


jane Says:

i wonder if we’ll get to see a rafa/murray slam final one of these days. we’ve seen every other combination of the “big four” in slam finals (i know they’ve met at other points in slams, but i am talking just finals here). here’s the list so far (i think)

nole/fed: 2 times (1-1 tie: uso, wimbledon)
andy/fed: 3 times (3-0 fed: uso, ao, wimbledon)
nole/murray: 4 times (2-2 tie-: ao, uso, ao, wimbledon)
fed/rafa: 8: (6-2 rafa: rg, wimb, rg, wimb, rg, wimb, ao, rg)
nole/rafa: 7 (4:3 rafa: uso, wimbledon, uso, ao, rg, uso, rg)

that’s 24 grand slam finals between these 4 already. crazy.


Hippy Chic Says:

Jane i would dearly love to see a Rafa/Andy final in a GS,but the tennis gods dont seem to want me to get my wish lol?it is strange that we have never had that permetation as yet though,will we ever,i dont know,but i surely hope so?


jane Says:

hippy, they hadn’t even played in ages (since 2011? nearly 3 years!) until this spring, and we’ve seen them twice now in 2014, so you never know. i’d be surprised if we never see such a final based on how often these players have been reaching the latter stages of slams.


Hippy Chic Says:

Jane yeah true….


Hippy Chic Says:

^Although having said that many here believe Rafa is going into some sort of steep decline,and Andy will never be the same player again,according to the many tennis x long time clique,so what would i know anyway??^

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