Federer v Djokovic In Shanghai SF, Who’s The Pick? Murray’s London Chances Improve
by Sean Randall | October 10th, 2014, 2:03 pm
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In arguably the biggest single match since the Wimbledon final, Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic renew their rivalry tonight in the Shanghai Masters semifinals. Federer advanced earlier today in runaway fashion beating Julien Benneteau 7-6, 6-0.

“I thought I played very well against Bautista Agut, but maybe tonight was a bit better,” said Federer. “Especially once I got in the lead, it’s nice to have those great 10, 15 minutes where you can stretch it, really. That’s what I was able to do. So this probably was my best match so far.”

Djokovic looked strong as well, upping his win streak in China to 29 after a 6-4, 6-2 win over David Ferrer.

In the early semifinal tomorrow, it’s Gilles Simon against Feliciano Lopez. Simon got through in three sets over Tomas Berdych 7-6, 4-6, 6-0. With all the upsets in his half of the draw, the big Czech really could have lifted his London chances this weekend, but instead, as usual, just when you think Berdych is the man he lets you down.

Lopez then knocked out Mikhail Youzhny 5-7, 6-4, 6-4 to reach his third Shanghai semifinal. That’s right, three for the lefty Spaniard!

“It’s a great feeling to be in the semis of a Masters 1000,” said Lopez who upset Rafael Nadal on Wednesday. “This one is always great. I always played some of my best tennis, especially here. It’s the third time that I’m going to be in the semis.

“I think it’s going to be a very tough match for me. I have to be very smart tomorrow [and] aggressive. He’s very confident, as well. He beat Tomas today. He’s showed some great form during this week.”

Head-to-head, Lopez leads Simon 2-1 with both wins on grass last year. I think Simon is simply the better, more complete player so I’ll go with the Frenchman in that one.

Roger Federer v Novak Djokovic
In the big semi, Federer leads 18-17 but the two are 2-2 this year with Djokovic winning their most recent meeting in that Wimbledon 5-set thriller.

That match was of course played on Federer’s favorite grass surface. This will be on Djokovic’s and it will be played at one of his favorite events. So I’m going to lean his way against his legendary rival.

“Roger is one of the best players ever in the game,” said Djokovic. “There is no clear favourite. I think every time we play against each other, it’s a thriller. It’s really a big challenge for both of us. We need to bring our ‘A’ game in order to win.”

And there’s more than just a spot in the final at stake. If Djokovic beats Federer and goes on to win the title it all but wraps up the No. 1 ranking. And with a baby coming soon, that would be a big relief for the Serb having that race out of the way.

For Federer, if he beats Djokovic and he wins Sunday, then he’s right back in the No. 1 conversation. And again, maybe the Djokovic baby (the X-Factor this fall) comes early and Novak can’t play Paris. Or maybe it comes late and he can’t play London. Only the baby knows, I guess.

So this match carries with it some added importance. We know Djokovic is the better, younger player here, however if Federer can somehow sneak through he could really turn this fall upside down.

“I think we always play tough against each other,” said Federer of the rivalry. “I think we’re both in good shape right now. We both enjoy playing here in Shanghai.

“He’s playing a great season again. I’ll give it the best shot I have. I think I have a good game at the moment. It is my first tournament back after vacation, so I really hope I can come up with some good shotmaking and solid play because that’s what it’s going to require against him. There are not that many secrets out there. We’ve played each other too many times at this point.”

True, there really aren’t many secrets between the two – 36th meeting, 5th time this year. Federer will have to serve well, minimize the shanks/errors; Djokovic will have to hit that 2-hander down the line, dictate from the baseline, be strong at the net. However, neither guy has been at 100% strength this week. Djokovic has looked shaky at times and so too has Federer who should be in Basel anyway by now if not for Leo Mayer.

That said, Djokovic is the in-form player, he’s won Shanghai the last two years, he just won Beijing and he’s got the No. 1 ranking to lock up this weekend. Advantage Djokovic.

Still, Federer’s won a set in their last six meetings, so…
The pick: Djokovic in three

As for the London Race, the losses by Ferrer and Berdych really help Murray. And Murray has decided to play in Vienna next week then Valencia which also has Ferrer and Berdych so he’s really making a push. So the Scot got some much-needed help today.

And Rafael Nadal status could make things interesting. Right now Nadal has opted for a few more days of drugs before making another decision on surgery for his inflamed appendix. The longer Nadal delays the inevitable surgery the less likely he’ll play London. So it sounds like he’s hoping for a miracle cure, but resigned to the fact that London is fading. We’ll see, though I hope I’m wrong on that.

Tennis Channel will again have live coverage of both semifinals starting at 4:30am ET.

SATURDAY SHANGHAI SEMIFINAL SCHEDULE
STADIUM start 1:00 pm
[1] B Bryan (USA) / M Bryan (USA) vs R Bopanna (IND) / F Mergea (ROU)

4:30 pm
G Simon (FRA) vs F Lopez (ESP)

8:00 pm
[1] N Djokovic (SRB) vs [3] R Federer (SUI)

UNION PAY start 3:30 pm
[5] J Benneteau (FRA) / E Roger-Vasselin (FRA) vs [6] M Granollers (ESP) / M Lopez (ESP)


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161 Comments for Federer v Djokovic In Shanghai SF, Who’s The Pick? Murray’s London Chances Improve

Felipe Says:

This year, Djokovic had the chance to pull even in the head to head with Roger two times, and both times Federer ended up winning (Dubai and Montecarlo)


Felipe Says:

Regarding the yeard end number 1, for excitement purposes, I hope that Federer wins, but considering that Novak won Wimbledon (over Federer) i think that Djokovic deserves finishing the year as the top ranked player (for a third time)


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Last night I tried to update my wife on all the big happenings in Asia. Her response: “No one gives a s* what happens after the US Open.”


Polo Says:

Your wife has wisdom, TV.


Brando GOAT Poster Says:

@TV:

LMFAO- she hit the nail on the head!

The truth is:

As soon as the Men’s Singles final is completed in USO, immediately our minds wander to the Australian Open in January.

Fact.

Whether we openly admit to it or not it really is the actual truth of the matter. And’s for the simple reason that: nothing matters or is as exciting in the Sport of Tennis as Grand Slam Championship.

Period.

As far as the Asian swing is concerned- I hate to say it- but:

It pretty much is the most pointless swing on tour.

It’s a Outdoor HC swing that builds to nothing as what lies ahead is European Indoor Tennis, and the most prestigious title on offer- Shanghai Masters- is in it’s 6th year, meaning the youngest and least prestigious on tour.

Add to that the inconvenient placement- not too long after US Open, quite close to indoor season-the travelling of great distance, the timing issue for many a fans around the world etc then it really is a tough one to get excited for.

Fact is: most Tennis fans tune out for this swing more than any other in the Calendar year besides time zone issues: it’s because the swing really does not build towards something at all.

Every swing prior to it has a purpose: building towards a Grand Slam. The only one that does not is the American swing of IW/MI. But- purposefully- actual enjoys a unique scheduling on tour, one that the fans and players enjoy greatly and both events are actually very prestigious.

Many of the all time greats- especially last 25 years- rate those events very, very highly.

So in short:

Asian swing is a tough sell. But it’s a necessary evil:

The Asian market is huge for the game and you just cannot neglect if you want the tour to prosper and the game to grow in popularity and appeal.

Personally speaking:

I’d prefer if it got scrapped, a genuine break post USO existed and the Indoor swing got elevated with a 500 point event (Basel/Valencia) block followed by 2 Indoor Master Series and then the World Tour finals.

All of a sudden- Tennis wise- something different, purposeful and exciting would still exist between USO- AO since at the moment:

Asian swing is not much to get excited by at all and the Indoor swing is here and gone before you could say: oh there’s something different that’s about to be embarked on by the players interms of surface!

I understand completely why it is as so, but it tough- when it comes down to it- to disagree with your wife’s blunt, sharp assessment of the tour.


jane Says:

i find it amazing how many times nole/fed (36 as of tmrw), nole/rafa (42!!) and fed/rafa (33) have played each other.

nole/andy (22), fed/andy (22), and rafa/andy (21) are still a lot too.

crazy good consistency from these players. impressive and historical.


rogerafa Says:

@ TV

I guess your wife only loves the majors or is just a casual tennis fan. I completely disagree with her view but I consider myself a serious tennis enthusiast. Hence the disagreement I guess. I have always loved the indoor season and wish to have those fast carpets back.


FedExpress Says:

“Roger is one of the best players ever in the game,” said Djokovic.

Ahm,nope. He IS the BEST player EVER, Nole.

and cant hear the shit that a prime Fed cant beat a prime Nole nowadays. He can and hopefully he will tomorrow

Fed in two


Brando GOAT Poster Says:

‘and cant hear the shit that a prime Fed cant beat a prime Nole nowadays.’:

Side stepping past the foul term there, I must ask:

Exactly who say’s that a prime Fed cannot beat a prime Novak these days?

I hardly see anyone say that!

I think most agree/ think along the following lines:

Novak is 27. In his peak. His best- most especially on HC- will surpass whatever Fed can offer at age 33. Nothing about superior or inferior Tennis skills, but the recognition of Father Time and how it can-quite obviously- affect the performance, dynamic in a matchup.

Fed’s age affects the scope of his performance. Quite blatantly. Just look at videos of his movement at age 27, the sheer pop on his Forehand side and compare it to what he offer’s now and even on his best day today there is a marked, real difference in terms of quality.

It’s the ageing process kicking in for a athlete. The inevitable which affects them all, just like it does so in life.

Novak being 27, in prime age at the peak of his powers along with being a obvious talent is rightfully favoured in this matchup. I mean the best example was this year’s Wimbledon final:

Fed’s fav surface: Grass
Novak’s least fav or weakest surface: Grass

Fed pre final: on 11 match winning streak on Grass having only dropped one set- i think- pre final in Wimby. Consensus was that he’s playing brilliantly especially post the schooling v Raonic.

Novak pre final: Kind of patchy, 5 setter v Cilic and many thought another one should have been set by Dimitrov in the 4th set Tie Breaker.

Yet universally pre final majority of the Tennis pundits and fans backed Novak outright to win the final, despite all of the above. Rightfully so IMO. Since at the end of the day:

The playing ability of a Tennis great at 27 > the playing ability of a Tennis great at 33.

Not a favouring of one over the other in terms of Tennis skills. Nope. Just a recognition of the context in which a rivalry exists and how the age difference affects and dictates the scope of performance by each.

It affects ALL rivalries, the narrative in which the play out. In this one the terms are pretty apparent:

Fed has to take great risks, play ultra aggressive, frequent to the net as much as possible since he will not last long at the baseline v Novak even though that is where Fed has won all his Slams from.

A recognition of how ageing is affecting him by Fed.

Novak will look to keep the ball in play, engage in as many rallies as possible, confine Fed to the BH side with high FH, try to move side to side as much as he possibly can.

Since he knows: he’s 27 and he’ll beat, outlast the 33 year old opponent in any long, grinding contest. He knows his consistency will bear fruit v a 33 year old player who has to take risks that he really does not want to at times since he knows staying on the baseline trading blows will make him pay the price and suffer a loss inevitably.

A recognition by Novak of his age advantage.

Both are great Tennis players- quite obviously- but the capacity of what the 27 year old can produce far outweighs that of the 33 year old.

Period.


RZ Says:

I want Fed to win but think Djoker will win this one.


Polo Says:

I don’t me to flatter you Brando GOAT Poster, but brilliant! (For the 3:56 pm post)


Polo Says:

GOAT poster, I was in so much awe I forgot to proofread what I just wrote ( “me” was meant to be “mean”).


Trufan Says:

Brando,

“Most tennis fans switch off after USO” – ha ha. You don’t seem to understand the world today. Tennis fans in Asia outnumber tennis fans in the west many fold. The money is all there. The tournaments are slowly going to move east, just like all businesses have. Nothing left in Europe mate (economy wise).

Australian open, nearly a decade ago, starting calling itself “Grand Slam of the Asia Pacific”, instead of just AO. Smart move to appeal to Asia.

Its happening to most sports.


sienna Says:

fed’s favorite surface is clay. he has spoken about it many times.
or do you mean his most winningest surface? esp in TMF years.


Brando GOAT Poster Says:

@Polo:

‘ I was in so much awe I forgot to proofread what I just wrote’:

No one blames you for that Polo, certainly not I. When you come across brilliance it’s normal to be astounded possibly lose your faculty a little, for a moment, and misstep a bit. In this case not proofread. I understand. It comes with the territory I suppose since I inspire such a reaction!

LMFAO: I’m messing.

Back to the match on hand:

Despite all that I mentioned in that post I actually give Federer a genuine chance in this one since the court suit’s his game quite well. I’m not certain about it’s category placement in this regard, but the court seems to me to be the quickest MS surface not named Cincinatti on tour. Which should go a long way in minimizing the number of extended rallies that ensue, which would naturally benefit Fed greatly. Also I really liked the impact his FH seemed to have in the last 2 matches on this court: a lot of zip, reaction and consistency on this side from Fed. When tnat FH is solid: he’ll always have shot to beat anyone on a fast court. Period.

That said:

I cannot see beyond Novak. Whilst I am not as impressed as others are by his performance in Asia. I expected this from him really and it’s almost akin, for me, to Rafa kicking up a Storm in MC/ Barcelona and folks gushing over it greatly. Leaves one thinking: well what else were you expecting from him since we all know this is his turf!

Same with Novak in China: it suits his game perfectly and more than anything he’s completely relaxed, at ease mentally when he’s in China since the crowd clearly loves him there. He feeds of that energy. So I am not surprised or too impressed with his performance here,: he’s not doing anything I did not expect from him. However game wise the one thing that has impressed me the most from the little I have seen from him is:

His serving.

He’s been posting excellent first serve in numbers. I think in the Ferrer match he posted over 70% first serve in. That’s a insanely high % for a player like Novak, which indicates- to me- he’s extremely relaxed and at ease on court.

With him being relaxed on court, serving so solidly in addition to his ever excellent return game, him being- by a mile- the best mover on HC on tour I just cannot see beyond him in this one at all.

I really cannot.

Novak in 2 for me in all likelihood, with it being of paramount importance for Fed to get the first set since otherwise it could be a steamrolling performance from Novak.


Brando GOAT Poster Says:

@Trufan:

‘“Most tennis fans switch off after USO”’:

I never said such a thing. Best reread my post again.


Colin Says:

Brando, there’s more to it than age. Nole has something no other player has to the same degree: flexibility. In those baseline rallies, if you push Nole wide on his forehand, he’ll do that alarming splits and probably put the return past you.

The other two best retrievers are Andy and Rafa. Fast though they are, they have to take a couple of extra steps. Imagine if they tried the splits, Andy with that congenital split kneecap or Rafa with his well-worn knees. They’d be carried off on a stretcher! It’s nothing to do with age, because Nole has worked on his flexibility since boyhood.


Brando GOAT Poster Says:

@Colin:

Great post. I agree there is more to it than age. Movement is of significant importance, and regarding Novak: yes his flexibility is something truly astounding to see. I think he has great gene’s. From what I know- this maybe false since I cannot recall where I gained this information from, anyhow- both Novak’s parent’s have a athletic background, specifically in Skiing. Now that’s something that requires great ankles and co-ordination if you want to be a success at.

This may have helped Novak in his natural flexibility in addition, of course, to training. Grigor Dimitrov is another flexible player it must be said who’s movement is astonishing.

Movement may just be the one, certainly one of the most, crucial element in today’s game. So much defense to offense Tennis is prevalent that if you are not a good mover: you can kiss your chances of landing a big one goodbye unless you are a powerful ground strokes player (think Del Potro, Cilic etc).

Yet age affects this. Quite clearly to. Just look at Federer’s case:

It’s quite obvious to many that his footwork- the speed with which he moves- is not at the level of former years. We see him play presently, yet think of that and compare such movement to that of his in the past:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkWy1HS-Qgs

This video sees him play against Djokovic, who applauds him at one point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTKkLhO5TQI

This one is from the WImbledon 2007 final, aged 25. Just look at how balletic his movement is. How fast he is that not only he get’s to every ball almost, but he has so much time that he can absolutely lay into his shots.

Specifically:

Look at how he plays the final game, especially Match Point. He get’s into position so fast that when he hits his forehand you think: wow, it zips of the court so fast you think a guy like Del Potro just slapped the ball. But it’s not a Del Potro like powerhouse: it’s a guy who’s footwork is so exquisite that he’s able to position himself perfectly to hit his shots as he chooses, since his movement provides him the time to do so.

Present day Federer almost seems like he has little time to play his strokes v the elite players, almost reaching for the ball at times. He moves around the court in the hurried manner of a individual who’s running after a train that’s about to set off. Federer of the past: seemed like he had all the time in the world to play his shots.

Why the change in movement then?

The ageing process. He’s lost his nimble footwork to an extent due to Father time.

Another example:

It’s widely noted that Rafael Nadal has mastered a surface in Clay in a manner that no player comes close to doing so interms of sheer, absolute, total dominance. Many feel aside from his various attributes it’s because of, as Roger Federer noted, his:

Incredible movement on Clay. Just look at in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15OYmu09vlY

The astonishing speed with which he get’s himself to not only get to the ball deep from the baseline, slide and yet seem like he has spades of time still left to play the shot is just astonishing. Almost like a Lion in a jungle, in full flight, hunting his prey before it could get away.

Now would a Nadal be able to pull that off at age 33? I think it would be tough ask due to the effects of ageing. I think it’s quite clear:

The top level athletes- Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray- are at the top for a whole lot of credible reasons, but one of them- if not the most- is incredible movement. Federer was widely noted as the best mover on Grass. Cue 7 Wimbledon titles. Nadal on Clay. Cue 9 Roland Garros titles. Novak today on HC. Cue 4 Australian Open titles.

So movement is of prime importance. Yet- as in the case of Federer and eventually others- the ageing process does affect you. It shall lead you losing some of your foot speed, and that will lead to a decline in your performance for sure.

The effect of ageing is real on the front of movement, it definitely affects your performance capacity and I think it’s definitely apparent in Federer’s performance for sure.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Brando, to further your point: Rafa is no longer Rafa of Old. I believe Novak is actually faster than him now on all surfaces, but I think old rafa was the fastest I’ve ever seen.

I think the equalizer for Fed at Wimbledon WAS movement. Fed is simply a master of movement on grass, and it is the only surface he actually has a movement advantage over Novak and Rafa. But Novak still beat him!

Alas! I still think Fed gonna take it in 10 hours!


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Certainly if you look at the Big Four, they are also probably the four best movers in the game. So you could say that the trend for the last decade has definitely been towards movement in the men’s game.
In fact, one Slam winner in 10 years, Del Potro, who was not an all-time-great mover.
And, yes, I agree, as well as Fed is moving this year, it’s not 2006. It’s an improvement over 2012 and 2013 though.


Humble Rafa Says:

Anyone know where the Great Davy is? Just wanted to make sure he is still playing the Bet At Home Open.

His personality is greatly missed these days.


Jack Lewis Says:

I’m thinking the Djoker is going to get it but the fact that Roger at 33 is still in contention for nunmber 1 shows how much we are now truly in the weak era. Djoko prety shitty this year.


Polo Says:

After reading the insightful and brilliant posts from Brando, TV, and Colin, yours was a big letdown for being completely clueless.


Polo Says:

I was, of course, referring to the the guy who who states that Djoko was prety (sic) shitty this year.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Ha, I should have said, for 10 years UNTIL THIS YEAR, Del Potro was the only non-great-moving Slam winner. This year we’ve had two. Perhaps the pendulum is finally switching to power.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

HR, I belive Davy said he was going to stay home for a bit to watch video of the WTF 2009. You remember that one, yeah?


Wog boy Says:

TV,
I agree about Delpo, but Stan, since Magnus Norman took over him, lost a bit of weight and is/was moving great, on the other hand Cilic is moving better this year, plus his big wing span helps him a lot. Delpo is definitely slowest out of three.


skeezer Says:

Fed vs Nole is always a great fan watcher. Hope its a cracker.

Re; The “strong” era.

Nole needs to start dominating the old man @ 33. If Fed wins, it would be a outright total disgrace for the”era”.
After all, Fed is playing in the so called “strong era, and is currently ranked #2 @ “past the prime” of 33.
The so called “strong era” players need to dominate the so called “weak era” dominator aka Fed.
If not, weak and strong era advocates are nothing better than astrology believers.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Wog boy, I totally agree with that. Wawrinka’s movement, especially, is completely different now. But if I were to ask you the top four movers in the game, in some order you’d say the Big Four.
But if I asked you to go further, you would probably name Ferrer, Simon, Nishikori, Monfils, Dolgopolov and some others before you got to Wawrinka- let alone Cilic. No?


Wog boy Says:

TV,
Agree, I was only comparing the other three GS winners.


Michael Says:

In this marquee match, I think Novak would be the obvious favourite at 65:35. But as Brando rightly said, Roger fancies this fast surface well after Cincinnati and it is surprising that he has not won this tournament earlier. So, he definitely has a chance provided he has a good serving day and limits his count of UEs by shanks and mishits. At 18-17, this rivalry is tantalizingly close and at 33 Roger has nothing much to lose and all to play for he is in a heads I win, Tails you lose scenario. The pressure is only on Novak as he is widely tipped and expected to win. And the added pressure in this match is by winning this Novak can keep the door shut to challenge his year end No.1. All the way, it should be an engrossing match and the first set would ultimately decide the outcome of this match and it acquires considerable importance. Let us see how it unfolds and may the best player win.


van orten Says:

What the f** are some people talking about when it comes down to federers speed or chances vs nole… Fed did not play his best vs nole at Wimby is a way to look at it too .. but Nooo fed is old and nole blew him off the court there right?!! And fed is not that fast anymore..but still he is now the number 2 player in the world…get over it folks ..fed was is and will be considered the better player when he retires..nothing the djoker should feel ashamed of.. he knows that already too..Vamos roger…just be old and slow today


Giles Says:

Don’t give fed too much credit for his #2 ranking purleeeeeese! He feeds off Nadal’s misfortune in an uncanny way. He hasn’t earned the #2 ranking per se, Rafa has handed it to him with his early exit due to Appendicitis and that is a fact.


jane Says:

idemo nole! it’s always tough to call a fed/nole match, as the h2h attests. but here’s one nole fan hoping that the wee-djoker can be born with his daddy at number 1. then nole can say “who’s your daddy?” and mean it. ;)


madmax Says:

Skeezer, we know the weak era falls flat on its’ face.

Good luck today Roger. We are proud of you.

Jane the stats – I know. I was thinking this yesterday. The rivalry between nole and fed has the topped the rivalry between fed and rafa, in terms of matches played only, but not, I feel in terms of match performance and drama.


Margot Says:

Lol jane! Loved that!


xmike Says:

does anyone know if the match is late, or postponed, or raining, all the streams have some rugby game? (sorry for fans, don’t follow and couldn’t care less)


Wog boy Says:

@xmike,
Match starts 23:00 Sydney time, rain or no rain they have a roof, but there is no rain and Simon plays really well ATM, took the first set 6:2, he moves like a cat after pray, only miracle can save Lopez.


Wog boy Says:

@xmike, BTW, rugby (league) is a good game, you should start following it. Take a few minutes and watch NRL best tries of 2014, you might not like music but it is real man’s game, no helmets, no pads:

http://youtu.be/RPVkGeBiIeI


Margot Says:

Well done Geeloo. Gr8 to see him on court looking so happy and playing so well. It’s been a struggle with those knees but I think this win puts him back in the top 20?
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, Lopez’ backhand……like Andy’s second serve, needs a bit of work…;)


Wog boy Says:

Lopez was just plain tired, not saying that he would beat Simon but he was just tired.


Vinod Says:

Come on FED !!!


Vinod Says:

2 break points for Federer !


van orten Says:

Komm jetzaaaa!!!!!


Daniel Says:

Federer is pissed because Djoko hit him in a next exchange in his first service game. Playing excelent after that and hitting throught the court. Djoko made 3 FHnerrors to get broken but very quality match with Fed coming to the net whenever he can.


Sirius Says:

Low bounce of the balls are troubling novak


Daniel Says:

Gilea.

Nadal is not fit enough to play a whole tennis season for several different reasons and in several different years i. His career. His prpblems not hsi opponent, that is why he probably won’t finish his careere with top 3-5 number 1 records as Fed or Sampras. Even Djoko can surpass him next year dependi g on todays match and end of this year. Hence Nadal was #2 for morethna he was #1.


FedExpress Says:

IF fed wins, every1 tell nole didnt play his best.
normally he should beat a 33 years old, past his prime Federer.


Brando GOAT poster Says:

@Daniel: not watching match- watching Brazil v Argentina game instead- but are saying Novak hit Fed Lendl style? Is that correct? Great updates btw guys keep it coming.


Sirius Says:

47 sec hold from Fed!


FedExpress Says:

WHAT.A.SERVICE.GAME


van orten Says:

feels like a typical nole fed match . expect nole to break fed in the second after fed being up 30:0 or 40:15 . that would be business as usual


Sirius Says:

Fed a set and a break up. Very good returning from fed


Sirius Says:

Fed a set and a break up. Very good returning from fed


FedExpress Says:

so can we compare this match to the paris encounter lats year


van orten Says:

and here it comes


FedExpress Says:

Fed serving alright

but i am sad, that he didnt play like that against nole at WIM final and against cilic at Us open


jatin Says:

Wow…. This guy ( fed) just does not give up. He is back here again and just got a set against the best player in the world right now. I have nothing but huge respect and admiration for this guy.

Comon Fed… Just go for the kill


van orten Says:

well cilic just had the day of his life at that day


Humble Rafa Says:

Let me tell you this. If this guy becomes number 1 without winning a grandslam, we are all screwed. We will have a toothless number 1.


Humble Rafa Says:

well cilic just had the day of his life at that day

I have life of my day every day at the French. Those things just happen.

Losers have interesting explanations.


van orten Says:

4 break points gone to have double break..as always far from over that match ..incredible djokovic that he always finds a way and that fed always lets him out of the trapp


Sirius Says:

Not being able to break djoker here could cost federer


Vinod Says:

Hold please FED


Sirius Says:

Big hold for fed, leads 4-2 now


jatin Says:

Chill out guys…. Its 4-2..Comon fed


jatin Says:

Chill out guys…. Its 4-2..Comon fed


FedExpress Says:

he hold after being 0-30 down
come on federer


FedExpress Says:

fed should have won the match by now.

makes is tense needlesly


van orten Says:

i dont know what to say guys 5 game points !!! 5!!!!


van orten Says:

6th game point ..


Vinod Says:

superb tennis !


van orten Says:

that was it guys…he will be broken now…this is too much chance wasting


van orten Says:

hahahahah this is so closeeee ..7 th game point. djoker should take his chances ..but fed does not let him do that..finally hold…. 5:3


Daniel Says:

Match is excelent. Awesome displayfrom Fed with no real blips.

Brando,

If Djoko finishes this year #1 he will teNada nex year in March if hesustain it longer he can surpass him. Nada with his Slam recod hould be in top 3-5 Number #1 records, but he is top 10. Djoko with fewr Slam can be more sucessfull in #1department due to his consistency all year.


Daniel Says:

MP Fedeer after an excelmt BH DTL. Hope he gets it. last thing he needs is Djoko saving another MP amd winning:-)


van orten Says:

match point


van orten Says:

well deuce


Daniel Says:

Second MP, DF Novak;-)


Daniel Says:

Damm, ace


van orten Says:

2 mpoints gone.. i just hope he finishes him off now on serve. he truely deserves to win this match


FedExpress Says:

2 MPs saved and 4-5

fed serving for the match

but against nole fed has a habit to lose serve


Vinod Says:

Serve it out Fed


Daniel Says:

Fantastic lobby by Djoko


Daniel Says:

15-30. He needs some placement serves


van orten Says:

this is soooo predictable… i cant get it


jatin Says:

He is in the finals guys … Get ready to go


van orten Says:

kommmm jetttttz


Kimmi Says:

AH!! what a match. Love you Fed :)


Daniel Says:

Going to the net ghe close it out. Unbelievable that a 33 year old braka nother invencibility run of 29 matches from Djoko in China.


jatin Says:

I am just beyond happy….. Way to go roger.. way to go


Sirius Says:

Look at that reaction after winning the final point! Rarely ever you see that from roger!


FedExpress Says:

the next one who says that feds best nowadays cant beat noles best should shut his mouth.

fed can beat every1 on HC and Grass if he plays his a game

and he did just yet


Colin Says:

This chap Federer is pretty good, and I think he may go far.


van orten Says:

he had one off day or better said one rival that just did not let him air to breath in the last 2 months of hardcourt tennis. that was cilic. he is the man to beat on hardcourts despite his loss vs cilic. a pity he couldnt win us open though , but what he is showing on the courts the last 4 months is simply amazing ..


I Love Tennis Says:

WOW !!!! Congrats to Federer, simply amazing play from him.


Purcell Says:

It’s ok van orten you can relax now……oh Roger you wonderful man.


Goose Egg Says:

I watched the entire match on mute, and looking at the body language, Novak looked disinterested the entire match


Polo Says:

OMG! as in Oh My GOAT!


Brando GOAT poster Says:

Wow, did not watch the match but major, major props to Fed: 33 and straight sets win v inform, on his turf HC Champion like Novak when he’s in his prime and the world number one. Immense stuff from him.


FedExpress Says:

blablabla

novak looked disintrested, looked unmotivated, had an off day

why did he even step up on the court then?

this excuses baaahhhh


van orten Says:

i am relaxed ..but i am superstitious what can u do ;-)


TheOneGOAT Says:

a Nole in his prime was defeated.. no excuses…

any guess who is the best/G.O.A.T even at 33 yrs of age?? keep guessing..


TheOneGOAT Says:

ATTACK is the BEAUTY of tennis.. and the tennis GODS agree!!


Margot Says:

Fed was damn good today. Congrats to him and his fans.
Nole seemed a bit off, especially on the 4hand. Commisses to him and his fans on here, jane et al.
Very high quality match in parts and played at a very fast pace too.
Congrats to both really.


Brando GOAT poster Says:

PS: Novak’s last loss in China till today: 2010, Shanghai masters v Roger Federer. Makes you think that on this court Fed is the superior talent of the 2.


TheOneGOAT Says:

Done and Dusted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who’s the DADDY of HARD COURTSSSSSSSSS…??

Who’s the true No 11111111111111111111111??

Sweet Wimby revengeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!


gannu Says:

Wat a match. . Feddy bear u were in god
Mode today.. congrats to skeez madmax kimmi jatin and all other fed fans

Wish he cud play evry match like
this


van orten Says:

hahahahha la la la la juuuhuuuuuuuuuu hahhahah la la la juhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu


FedExpress Says:

plz make it ur 4th title this season

reached 8 finals before that and won only 3

bar one he could have ever one of them


FedExpress Says:

had he MC and maybe Shanghai tomorrow that would have been some stroy

but wasnt meatn to be

and simon playing great tennis. showed mental tougness against wawrinka and berdych and was the only one who pushed the US champ


Polo Says:

Do they still have to hold the finals?


tennis bubble Says:

salute the king


FedExpress Says:

this puts noles win last week against berdych into persepctive.


Daniel Says:

If Fed wins tomorrow he will be 990 pts away from Novak. With the baby and Novam maybe skipping Paris, Fed playing Basel extra and Davis Cup possible points to come is doable. Still Novak has the edge but seems this year will be decided in London. More excitment!

Hope Fed gets his first Shangai title missing only MC abd Rome.


Gordon Says:

The trolls in here just won’t give up, will they?

Congrats Fed. You won the match cleanly and looked pretty awesome doing it.

2014 Nole vs Federer – 5 matches

Dubai
Federer 3-6 6-3 6-2

Indian Wells
Djokovic 3-6 6-3 7-6(3)

Monte Carlo
Federer 7-5 6-2

Wimbledon
Djokovic 6-7(7), 6-4, 7-6(4), 5-7, 6-4

Shanghai
Federer 6-4, 6-4

There are comments abounding that these tournaments don’t mean anything. And they don’t – to those fans who only care about the slams. It’s like the guy who calls himself a baseball fan but only watches the World Series.

For those who are tennis fans – does anyone think Simon has a chance at a set? They’ve met 6 times – only at Masters events or at Grand Slams and Federer leads 4-2, having won the last 4 and not having lost to Simon since 2008.

But Simon is 4 years younger. Fed is after all a geriatric 33. Right, h8ers? 😊


Humble Rafa Says:

Do they still have to hold the finals?

Actually, the Arrogant One doesn’t have to show up. We an ship the trophy to his house to avoid any inconvenience.


Damien Says:

Gilea,
You are a crazy person. That is a fact.
Congrats Fed.


Wog boy Says:

Congrats to Fed and his fans. Better player won the match, I saw it coming and said that yesterday, I said “advantage Federer for a few reasons.

As for the question:
“Who’s the true No 11111111111111111111111??”

I would say Nole with one GS, three masters ….

And for:
“Sweet Wimby revengeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!”

I am pretty sure Roger would swap this and the other two wins against Nole this year for that Wimbledon one. One extra masters means nothing compare to one extra Wimbledon..


Polo Says:

One more match. Federer in a finals match, especially this year, makes me very anxious. One more hurdle to overcome.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

That was incredible. Fed was better in every aspect, serve, return, baseline and net. Novak showed great grit at the end of the 2nd, but Fed never let him play his tennis. No loss of focus at all!
Wow, but that was a lot of net play. I tell you, Novak has improved tremendously at the net, but Fed is coming old school. 35 approaches in a quick 2-setter.
And how about that 47 second service game?

Wow. Its worth all the pain of watching Fed lose most of the big matches now to still have one or two like this a year, where you see that old magic.


van orten Says:

spot on gordon


Gordon Says:

Wog -Boy,

It’s a glass half full scenario, isn’t it? How many GS finals has Nole come up short that he would have traded other wins for?

Wanna bet who at this moment is the happier guy in Shanghai between Federer and Djokovic?

I think it’s the guy who didn’t drop a set today.

+++++++++++

Djokovic still has a huge lead, even though Fed has made some big gains.

THE MATH: Last year Monfils stopped Fed in the third round of Shangai, so if Fed wins this tournament he gains 910 points while Djokovic loses 640 points.

Djokovic 11,510 Fed 9,080

The good news for both is that they will not meet each other except in the final from here on.


Brando GOAT poster Says:

35 approaches to net? Fuggaboutit, must watch highlights now!


Brando GOAT poster Says:

The funny thing is, the YE no.1 may not even depend on either player. Infact not even a player on tour. Heck: not even a man! It could all depend on Novak’s child: the birth of his kid could determine alot of things. Come at a tourny period may mean Novak ceases a possible 1,000 points. Arrive at ideal time: then Novak can go all out for the YE no.1


Wog boy Says:

Gordon,

You are not telling me that beating Nole in Shanghai SF is revenge for losing Wimbledon final, are you? That was my point.

Who is happier tonight in Shanghai? Federer of course, he play superbly and beat world #1 fairly and squarely, I don’t have a problem with that. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and Nole lost.


Michael Says:

I am just awe struck by the exhilirating performance by Roger which just defied the law of ageing and its diminising returns. The sheer serve and volley artistry displayed by Roger brought reminscence of his 2001 performance against Sampras in the fourth round at Wimbledon. An art which is losing its relevance in the modern era of power and precision ground strokes was brought back to the centre stage by Roger’s class act and sublimity which dumbstruck Novak leaving him clueless. The scoreline just tells it all. Novak was simply outplayed by a rampaging Roger and even in the second set when Novak was finding his groove, Roger just dictated the course of this match from the beginning to the finish line. Thus, it was a near flawless performance which must be ranked as one of the best matches Roger has played in his career and it is always a pleasing sight to watch Roger’s artistry when he is at his best – a Mozart in action. Novak just didn’t play too badly but he was just consumed by the sheer brilliance of Roger on court. All in all, one of the best matches I have seen where both players were playing near their best despite the deceiving scoreline. This win places Roger in the finals and a chance to win a tournament which surprisingly he has never won in his career.


Michael Says:

What I liked about Roger winning this match is not just about his winning. It is just the way he won it. Now whether he will deploy such an aggressive tactic against Giles Simon remains to be seen ? Simon has always troubled Roger in the past and one of his wins against Roger has come in the same venue in 2008 when it was played as Masters Cup. So, it is not as if, Roger can breathe easy. He has a tough match in his hands looking at the way Simon played against Lopez. But if Roger manages to execute the sublime form he showed against Novak, then Simon would just have to meekly submit for he has no other go.


Michael Says:

At 33, Roger beating the No.1 in straight sets. Doesn’t this reflect very badly on the so-called tough era in Tennis and the young brigade ? Tournament after tournament we find only the veterans packing in enough numbers in the quarters and semis and it happened in Shanghai too. I am sure this should prompt a rethink on the part of those who undermine Roger’s achievements as somewhat advantaged by playing in a weak era. They must surely revisit and make a course correction to their flawed assumption.


Wog boy Says:

One more thing befor I go to bed (it is 2am here), as for coming to net, I remember John Newcombe saying that if decide to come to net you have to be ready to be passed time and time again and not to give up coming to net. Roger did exactly that and plus didn’t give Nole any rythm when you add 71% first serve in..the result is obvious, Roger wins.
Good night Fed fans, have a drink on me:)


Okiegal Says:

Should Fed make a come back and take the #1 ranking, would he be the first man to this at his age?? Just curious. If he does this, I will have to say it would be an amazing fete!

Congrats to the faithful Fed fans and my sincere regrets to Novak fans, especially Jane. I didn’t watch the match but will watch it on ESPN replay. Sounds like it was a good match…..but I truly thought Novak would win. But I will have to hand it to the 33 yr old…….apparently, he’s still got it……..and he’s got another trophy……me thanks! Congrats to Mr. Federer…..


Michael Says:

Okiegal,

I do think that it would be one of the greatest come backs if Roger is to capture the No.l ranking and probably he would be the first man to do it at this age atleast in the Professional era. Ofcourse, it is just not amazing, but ridiculous too that Roger manages this in a so called tough era in Tennis ?

I was very fortunate to watch this match when Roger was displaying just sheer magic on court. It has been sometime since I have seen Roger in such awesome form and you do not get opportunities to witness it often as each match is different or even you can say each game too. So I just request you to go through the highlights atleast and watch this entertaining match and just do not be deceived by the scoreline.


Daniel Says:

Roger said in the beggoning of the season that he was aiming on 5 titoes this season, ofcourse he wanted one of this to be a Slam. He has 3, going for fourth tomorrow snd with Basel, Paris and London ne can add 1 more. Hope so!!


jane Says:

thanks margot and okiegal. it happens. sometimes our faves get outplayed! … sigh.

congratulated fed fans on other thread, but extend that here as well.


FedExpress Says:

“I’m not going to come into the match and play terrible,” said Federer. “It just won’t happen – not in the finals, not against Simon. That’s the confidence I have right now.”


Tennis Fan Says:

Headlines “Geriatic GOAT beats #1 player playing in his prime” … so sweet seeing Federer conjure the “best player to have ever played the game” even for one more match. Don’t think you will see a guy with a complete game like this in your lifetime. This guy only comes along once a generation or more. When Fed is on it looks like the Bolshoi Ballet.


Brando GOAT Poster Says:

@Tennisfan:

Great post.

I am actually jealous of Novak fans that they got to see their guy take Fed on this mode.

A lucky bunch.

I would love it- absolutely love it- if Rafa get’s Fed in this kind of mood and form. I would to see what Rafa would produce in that form and I am absolutely certain the 2 would conjure up something spectacular.

Fed showed huge on court presence in the little footage I have seen of the match. Very, very beast like mode.

Huge props to him for that and his fans should lap up the moment to it’s fullest since that seemed like Performance of the Year stuff from Fed to me.


Hippy Chick Says:

Brando lol,as a Rafa fan you might regret ever saying that if Fed faces Rafa in that form,but as a tennis fan i agree it would be fantastic….


Brando GOAT Poster Says:

@Alison:

No chance of regretting it. None whatsoever.

Rafa lives for the competition. He adores the challenge Federer can pose to him on court. And I think it’s reasonable to say he has the tools to answer the questions Fed may pose to him in this kind of form no?

He’ll be all right. I have complete confidence in his skill as a player and character as an individual in the face of a mighty challenge on court.

Legends like Borg, Sampras, Connors do not label Rafa the toughest, a beast for nothing. He gained that reputation for a reason.

He’ll be fine when the going gets tough.

Either way I would enjoy it: Fed in aggressive mode, Rafa in warrior mode relishing the challenge =

Fortunate us watching a true spectacle unlike any other!


TheOneGOAT Says:

the Thesaurus definition for “Tennis” was upgraded to this “Roger (No 2 Age 33) vs Novak (No 1 Age 27) at Shanghai 2014 SF”
- forehand winners at gr8 angles
- backhand down the lines
- slice backhands with an almost 90 degree spin
- net volley side to side
- aces only service game in 47 secs against the best returner
- all court movement
- clean overhead smashes
- loopy overheads (courtesy Novak)
- passing shots (courtesy Novak)
- devoid of any moonballing shot after shot


Giles Says:

The fed cult out in full force.
Pathetic!!


Hippy Chick Says:

Brando true,i loved the links you put up earlier too,although i was gutted Rafa didnt win Wimbledon in 2007,that was some amazing tennis between those two in that final,i said to myself next time Rafa will get him and he did yipee….


Hippy Chick Says:

Brando true,i loved the links you put up earlier too,although i was gutted Rafa didnt win Wimbledon in 2007,that was some amazing tennis between those two in that final,i said to myself next time Rafa will get him and he did yipee….


Okiegal Says:

I am confident that Roger “toot toot my own horn” Federer will win Shanghai, as he got past the 2nd biggest obstacle of his game. Kudos to him and his fans.

If there happens to be any Simon fans on TX….best of luck to your guy, coz he gonna need it!!


Okiegal Says:

I watched my recorded 2014 AO match of Rafa and Roger…….paid close attention to every facet of the match……it came to light why Fed fans hate “moonballing”……Fed couldn’t get it back across the net…..could that be why??


TheOneGOAT Says:

lets see how good the moonballing works the next time Roger’s RF97 meets Rafa, okie.. I will be here waiting..
it only a shame that Roger was so stubborn to keep up with technology when everyone else was using string’s specified for top spin and specified frame for a strong and more stable two handed backhand.. till then njoy Roger Federer in GOD mode with the RF97..


TheOneGOAT Says:

here is a good workout session for the minds of the Nadal cult..

Ferrer: Nadal H2H – 6:22
Ferrer: Federer H2H – 0:16

oh wait, what??.. Nadal has a 27% chance of loosing to someone with no slam while Roger has 0% chance to loose to the same guy.. so Nadal can take advantage of the single handed backhand, but not the double handed backhand..

you guys must keep an eye for another stat
Djoko:Nadal – 19:23


Hippy Chick Says:

These two players are amazing Rogers the best ever,Rafas one of the best ever,it will be a sad day when they are both gone,no need to belittle one in favour of the other….


Humble Rafa Says:

I am confident that Roger “toot toot my own horn” Federer will win Shanghai, as he got past the 2nd biggest obstacle of his game. Kudos to him and his fans.

Arrogance is a bad character trait.


Hippy Chick Says:

I only saw highlights as i was working,but that looked like the old Roger really rolling back the years playing terrific tennis,nothing Novak or any player can do when Roger is playing like that….


Hippy Chick Says:

Agree with Okiegal,Simon will have a hard time even keeping it close with Fed in this form….


Giles Says:

TOG. Your posts are really silly. Try again!
Allez Gilles!


Okiegal Says:

@OneGoat……Just maybe Braggart McTaggert wanted to put his game in God’s hands rather than change racquets. He has seen the error of his ways and now maybe he will be able to challenge that horrendous h2h (which I believe you brought up first) against his arch rival, providing they ever meet again. It remains to be seen. If he happens to turn it around, you can bet we will hear it from Toot Toot himself!!


Dc Says:

Humble Rafa Says:
Let me tell you this. If this guy becomes number 1 without winning a grandslam, we are all screwed. We will have a toothless number 1.

October 11th, 2014 at 9:10 am
——

There are other players who have held no 2 ranking by just winning on one surface for years…and these players ain’t humble at all


Dc Says:

@ tumble Rafa

Rafa just be thanking his gods that he fell ill.
In the form he is, Fed would have demolished him.

Let’s not forget nadal is the only player in the world to be bagled the same player on all surfaces.
Wimby 06, WTF 11, hamburg 07.-nadal bagled by fed on grass, hc, and clay respectively.


Polo Says:

Toothless, hairless, clueless, who cares? If Roger gets ranked number one this year without a slam, people may call him the 17-hit wonder.


skeezer Says:

“Arrogance is a bad character trait.”
You should know.


skeezer Says:

“the next one who says that feds best nowadays cant beat noles best should shut his mouth.”
That would be You Know Who, the one who also said they didn’t see the match but apparently had the time to post novellas throughout the tournament.
Congrats Fed! Simply Superb!

@wog boy
Commiserations and thanks.


Humble Rafa Says:

When the real tennis season is over, and we start playing on some slippery surface, the wolves are out.

Isn’t that interesting?


Michael Says:

Now the interesting thing is how Roger would fare against Rafa, his nemesis, with the kind of form he has shown against Novak and with Rafa not at his best ? That is something which can be subjective rather than objective and depend upon the bias and prejudice who evaluates it. But, the logical outcome can only be a comprehensive victory for Roger rather than Rafa unless the mind game deceives him and he falls once again to his nemesis.

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