Roger Federer, Andy Murray Open Play Sunday At London ATP Finals
by Staff | November 8th, 2014, 9:54 pm
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Six-time champion Roger Federer and British favorite Andy Murray headline the opening day Group B play of the 2014 ATP Finals Sunday in London.

Murray, winning of three titles this falls, is featured in the first singles match of the event. The three-time semifinalist begins his ATP Finals against US Open finalist Kei Nishikori. Despite making his first appearance at the ATP Finals, Nishikori isn’t just happy to be there.

“This is my first experience here” said Nishikori. “I am really excited to be here for the first time. We all play one another so many times. Mentally I need to be ready for the first match against Andy and his home crowd. I have to imagine I have played on the stadium court.

“I want to win the whole thing. But it will be a tough tournament. If I can play good tennis for five matches, I will have a chance to win the whole thing. I just need to believe in myself. Next year, I want to be Top 5 all the time and maybe rise to No. 3 or No. 2. I hope to reach a Grand Slam final again and win one of the Masters 1000s next year.”

Murray’s won all three meetings with Nishikori taking all seven sets, but this will be their first collision of 2014.

In the late singles, Federer opens his bid for a seventh ATP Finals title against the man who knocked him out of Paris last week, Milos Raonic.

‘You definitely don’t want to lose the first one, as the pressure increases,” said Federer. “You go out with the mentality of being in a knock-out system. If you do lose one, you feel like it is the end of the world… and it is to be honest! I have never felt good in losing but still be in the tournament. It feels very odd, because in tennis you lose you leave. You go round-by-round clearly, but the first one is crucial.

“You can catch guys in spells. You can play one another very often. I don’t feel badly. I lost because he played well. So you just need to react to it. It is more up to me, than up to him.”

Like Nishikori, Raonic is also making his ATP Finals debut. The Canadian broke an 0-6 spell against Federer when he beat the Swiss last week.

“It’s a brand new match,” Raonic said. “The last three times we have played, we have both played a lot of matches coming into the event. This time it is from the get-go. We have to find our form. Roger has done it many times. I am going to have to find a way to find my game quickly.”

SUNDAY ATP FINALS SCHEDULE
AFTERNOON SESSION 12:00 PM
Benneteau / Roger-Vasselin vs. Granollers / Lopez
2pm
Nishikori vs. Murray

EVENING SESSION 6:00 PM
Nestor / Zimonjic vs. Dodig / Melo
8pm
Federer vs. Raonic


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108 Comments for Roger Federer, Andy Murray Open Play Sunday At London ATP Finals

TennisVagabond.com Says:

Can’t wait.
Have a great (and safe) WTF y’all!


Brando GOAT poster Says:

Andy and Kei will be a close 3 set match win for…. I am not really sure. Think Kei has the game to genuinely trouble Muzza and he’ll be eager to perform in his debut WTF match. Milos- Fed: RF in 2 with a breaker in one of them. Pretty straight forward it probably will be for him.


jane Says:

Murray and Fed for the wins. I think experience will tell here.


Steve 27 Says:

Lets hope Milos is pulling a “Cañas” today.


Michael Says:

My pick would be Andy in the first match and Roger in the second one. But Roger was recently beaten by Raonic and that might have a bearing on that match. But still Roger is tipped to win because traditionally, he has performed fantastically at this venue where the speed of the court suits his game.


Hippy Chick Says:

Cant see Raonic beating Federer twice,he will do it in possibly two tight sets,i dont remember Andy and Kei ever facing off,so its difficult to call,i love both players so i hope its a cracking contest,Andys my second favorite after Rafa so im pulling for him though….


Giles Says:

Am rooting for Andy all the way.
Don’t be surprised or shocked when he lifts the Trophy!
COME ON ANDY!!


michael Says:

Alison,

Yes, it is difficult to imagine that Raonic can so it in succession. But strange things have happened in Tennis and so one cannot rule that out. Nonetheless Roger is the favourite.

As regards Andy Vs Nishikori, it would be a 55:45 match. But Andy should get through this one hopefully.


Hippy Chick Says:

Michael true,and i pretty much agree with what your saying,BTW hows the write up going your impending tennis-x thread,im eargely looking forward to it?….


michael Says:

Alison, As I said in the other thread, thank you forthat suggestion which I would favourably consider. But I need some time and would respond to tennis x in due course.


michael Says:

Watching the match and so far the quality of tennis produced by both the players is far from impressive. But I expect some major improvement as the game progresses. The match looks even as of now.


Brando GOAT poster Says:

Wow are these guys sporting awful serving at the moment! You ain’t winning any title with such serving!


Daniel Says:

Both have great returns and forcing too much second serves hence a lot of DF.

Right now Kei much more offensive and have won last 4 ga,es breaking Murray twice. Serving for a 3-0 lead in the second set. Looks loke it will be a straight set win for him unless Murra stop making silly mistakes when returning (he missed a few second serves) and is able to break back. Nishikori service games is not that regular also.


Brando GOAT poster Says:

Yep my 3 set prediction is looking good. Kei’s serve is breakable enough for andy to win this set.


Brando GOAT poster Says:

Kei 2-0 up in the 2nd! Did not pick a winner earlier since I did not want to say my gut feeling: Kei! As I mentioned on the Nishikori thread that going forward for me success wise it could be Kei > Muzza on tour since consistent aggressiveness > meandering passive play. And right now Kei’s aggression is eating away into Andy’s game.


Ben Pronin Says:

I think Nishikori just hit the best passing shot I’ve ever seen.


Brando GOAT poster Says:

I do not think I hate anything in life more than Andys second serve: it is so dismal!


Brando GOAT poster Says:

Really, really impressed by how Kei is dictating these rallies.


Brando GOAT poster Says:

Poor game from Kei there.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Wow, Kei’s net game is just awful. When he’s lucky enough to get it over the net he puts it right into Andy’s strike zone every time.

Some very quality groundstroke rallies, but the serving is terrible, especially kei.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Court seems medium-speed, low bounce to me.


Colin Says:

I switched off before the first set was over. If I wanted to see a damp squib, I could have gone out on Guy Fawkes Night.


Brando GOAT poster Says:

Agree TV about court speed: ball does stay low and it goes through at a a fair pace. Better than Paris for Fed atleast.


Ben Pronin Says:

Someone born into a wizarding family but has no magical powers.


Daniel Says:

Wow, 2 sets to love and Kei had a huge step for qualification. Murray has to hope now fir the loser tonight to also lose in straights. Congrats Kei!

Imagine if Raonic beats Fed again tonight, which is totally possible.


Ben Pronin Says:

Well Murray has his work cut out for him now. If this group is as competitive as we expect it to be then a straight set loss for anyone is killer. Impressive from Nishikori. This guy has no fear. Abysmal serving from both guys, though.


Brando GOAT poster Says:

Kei wins and that to in straight sets, well done Kei! He needs to greatly improve his serve and worryingly he looked tired to me in this at times otherwise he could do well here, his dictation of the points was impressive!


Brando GOAT poster Says:

Muzza? No excuses: poor, poor stuff. Abysmal serving, lethargic play and most worryingly: he still gets dictated to by the top players like a lesser player. When was the last time Andy was dictating terms consistenly in a match a top player? I just cannot remember since match after it seems the top players are just hitting him hard aggressively fully expecting Andy to crumble. And he does. He’s got his work cut out for him now since Milos has a good record and superior serve to him and Fed…. Well his Fed: he senses a weak prey, he mauls it!


Colin Says:

TennisVagabond – a squib is a firework, and “a damp squib” is a term applied to – well, to something like that match. I’d have thought you’d have guessed from my reference to Guy Fawkes Night, or don’t you know what that is either? Next thing, you’ll be telling me the UK isn’t the world!

By the way, “squib” is also used in the cinema for the small explosive devices set off in actors’ clothes to make it look as if they’ve been shot.


michael Says:

Well many tipped Andy to win but he came a cropper against a steady back court game from Kei. All credit to him for he is winning his first match on debut against a quality player. By virtue of this victory. Kei can fancy qualifying from his group having had a head start. As regards Andy, his second serve is proving to be his Nemesis in many if his matches and unless he improves it, he might not get far. But still Andy need not lose heart and he can still hope to qualify provided he performs creditably in the next two rounds.


Colin Says:

There’s a good article on the BBC website by Greg Rusedski about Andy’s second serve. It used to be rather better than this, as he put kick on it. But to get kick, you have to arch your back and make an effort. Either Andy’s back still hurts, or he doesn’t trust it. As Rusedski also says, Andy often bends to retie a shoe, suggesting someone trying to ease their back.


Hippy Chick Says:

It would be alot less irritating if Andy were to stop throwing leads away,seems to have been the pattern in many of his matches this year,unfortunatly it wont get any easier,Federer is so good on this surface,Raonic has good server but not the best mover,i think he might still qualify if he wins a match and some other matches go in his favour,its one of the reasons im not keen on this RR format,as sometimes your fate can depend on the winning or losing of other players,rather than how your playing….


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Not championship form from either but some incredible athleticism, especially from Andy, retrieving. This is another advance for gen next.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Hippy, if they win they control their fate.


Hippy Chick Says:

Tennis Vagabond yeah i get that bit,but sometimes other permitations come into play,depending on the results of other players….


SX1 Says:

From 2015 Murray should start focusing ONLY on mickey mouse tournaments like he won recently 3 in row. He could win plenty of that kind and even winning those British media would compare him with Top3.

#pusher
#RadwanskaKind2ndServe


Hippy Chick Says:

Sounds like a certain poster is back with a new monikor….


SX1 Says:

Yupp i am not gonna told who i am…. wait till next match he could beat old man then his fan would hype him again.

#Pusher


Hippy Chick Says:

Sad when old posters have to hide new monikors….


Hippy Chick Says:

Meant behind new monikors….


SX1 Says:

Sean ..Can you confirm by any way that do i have any other monikor over here ??

Please ..Someone is sad for that pusher ..


Hippy Chick Says:

SX 1 you just seem familiar is all….


SX1 Says:

I don’t know i hardly look for other posts over here but you can’t predict someone familiarities by calling Murray a Pusher because most of people know that He is a Pusher.


Hippy Chick Says:

SX1 i will give you the benifit of the doubt then,anyway who is your favorite player,just curious,and who are you pulling for to win this??….


jane Says:

missed the match due to timing but sounds as though andy played poorly more than kei played amazingly??


Hippy Chick Says:

Jane that about sums it up,there was alot of missed timed shots from Andy,Kei dictated most of the rallies,and made Andy do alot of running,and he looked lethargic to me,not championship winning meterial here….


Hippy Chick Says:

Not championship winning meterial from either player IMO….


Hippy Chick Says:

Hope Roger beats Raonic,whom i like but cant warm to as a player sorry Milos,and i dont believe lightning will strike twice.
Tomorrow i wont see the matches as im going away,but i hope Novak beats Cilic,who i cant stand anymore,and he makes my skin crawl,and i hope Stan beats Berdych….


Mr. Larvey Says:

It was very dissapointing to see Murray playing this poorly. I was thinking that he could actually win the whole tournament (which he still can), because in a way he is more fresh than others. If Andy cannot improve his game substantially, he won’t win a match. Let’s hope he just had an off day…


jane Says:

thanks hippy; if 2 of them are “not championship material” or out of form or whatever, i guess it might not be that tough of a group after all? it’s only one match, though, so we have to wait and see. maybe andy will play much better next round.


Hippy Chick Says:

I hope he does play better next round,i just hope he doesnt get whitewashed,anyway i really hope Novak beats Cilic tomorrow,as i cant stand the guy anymore….


Brando GOAT Poster Says:

@Mr Larvey:

An excellent post that perfectly encapsulates my thoughts regarding Muzza.

Was hoping pre-match he would win the entire thing, now I am hoping that was a one off with quiet fears of a 0-3 whitewash for him!

You must remember:

This is a top 8 players event only and the only player Andy has beat from this bunch is Cilic in the last 16 months!

The nature of his performance was so dismal that right now the forecast does not look good for him in his next match, a genuinely must win match now, against Roger Federer: a player who is gunning for the top spot!

Regardless of whatever lies ahead for him he needs to put in a excellent performance v Federer and Raonic since if he plays like he did against Kei then forget this event: his confidence going into the 2015 season, especially AO, will likely not be that great at all.

Andy is not a Roger Federer, i.e. a naturally confident player who can dismiss a poor performance just like that and move onto the next one feeling pretty good. His performance against the top player will more than likely be bothering him and to me, looking at his body language, in the Kei match he did seem edgy, inhibited, with no real court presence.

I think he’s losing the matches v the top player before he’s stepped out on the court as he’s routinely getting dictated to and I think stems from his very low confidence against them. He lacks the belief that he can beat them at the moment.

I am hoping for better in the remainder of the event but not expecting it and more than anything: dreading that a 0-3 occurs and his self confidence will in tatters v the top pros.

Right now he’s looking like the perfect prey for them:

Low in confidence, with no clear game plan and really no weapons that can hurt them: with plenty of spots they can attack at will to.

Looking bleak at the moment for him I must say.


SX1 Says:

@Happy chick ..
I don’t have any particular favorite player i am bandwagoner ….about murray i hope he lose his next 2 matches pretty badly so that reality strike him before off season otherwise he gonna think ohh i just won 3 tournaments in row so i am not that bad and please someone advise him to change his coach!!


Hippy Chick Says:

OK Fair enough,kind of negative really looking for someones failure rather than someone elses success,but hell whatever floats your boat….


Wog Boy Says:

Haven’t seen the match but if Kei managed to win 50% of his second serve against Andy (46% first serve, 8 double foults) and the match in stright sets says it all…?! It is not going to get any eaiser against Roger, plus proRoger fans and pressure of playing in London. Maybe this is not death group, after all.


Okiegal Says:

Hi Mr. Larvey! Remember me? I’m the gal from Oklahoma who loves your name. It’s good to see you back on TX posting!


Okiegal Says:

Well I just got back from church to find out Andy got beat. I was wanting him to win this whole thing and I guess he still could?? Sorry he didn’t get past his first match……sigh. I will try to watch a replay.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Positives for Murray: his speed was incredible- except when he just gave up. He tried to be aggressive on 2nd serve. But he put them all in the net.


Mr. Larvey Says:

@Brando,

Good and fair analysis of Murray’s situation. This really was a bad time to lose for Nishi for the first time.

More generally speaking I feel (/hope) that this will be a very interesting WTF. Somehow I feel that anybody can win the tournament. Of course, that’s always the case, but this year, even if Novak and Fed are the favourites, I woundn’t be too surpised even if none of them were in the finals. Novak will most likely be the number one after the season and he won the Wimby and got a boy so he’s already happy and ready for holidays. And I feel that even if this is one of Fed’s very favourite tournaments, he will be even more concerned in winning the Davis cup. Interesting matches coming up…


Brando GOAT Poster Says:

@Mr Larvey:

It seems we have a case of great minds thinking alike since I too harbour the notion that actually anyone can walk away with this title!

This year has been one of contradictions: the seemingly favourites stumbling at or near the final hurdle, surprising winners, falling of the old guard to a degree and the new generation rising up more consistently than before.

- Australian Open: Wawrinka. Surprise winner.

- French Open: Nadal. Not a surprise winner but considering how he performance wise pre SF, he did well to win when it looked like he will not.

- Wimbledon: Djokovic. Again not a surprising winner but considering how he was mentally during that period, even shaky pre final and in the final; he too did well to win when it seemed he could falter.

- US Open: Cilic. Surprising winner.

So in all of the major events this year we have seen a different winner and the winner in the end either being a surprise package (Wawa, Cilic) or a familiar face who has had a far from smooth passage to the title with some real scare moments (Rafole).

All that does make one think:

WTF could continue the trend. Why not?

Heck: you could even label KEI beating Muzza in straights as a start in that direction.

Personally speaking:

Barring Novak for obvious reasons, I can see any of the rest faltering or succeeding. Sure some like Fed have a more stable chance than the rest, but really it’s been such a roller coaster season with great twists in the ATP narrative, no real certainty that I would not be surprised to see one here taking place at this event.

I must say: I am a Nadal fan, but this is the most exciting WTF event I am anticipating even without my fav here since there really exists a lot of ‘grey’ area in terms of possible outcomes rather than the usual following to pattern winners.

It’s Fed v Raonic now:

Will be interesting to see Fed’s game on this court in terms of court speed and how it favours him and also his serving. Should both be a positive for him then: watch out, he could be onto his 7th WTF this year!


SX1 Says:

Old man is thrashing serve boat.


Hippy Chick Says:

This tournament is completely different from the GS,in that you have the luxury of been able to lose a game and yet still make the final and win,Novak might and i believe its only a slight possibility of him losing a match with the way hes playing,but i just cant see him losing twice in this tournament,if he were to lose to Cilic tomorrow,hes not going to panic about it,he will simply put it down to been a one off,i would feel sorry for Berdych or Wawa if he did lose to Cilic,as he will be so p*ssed off,and will simply regroup and tear either of them apart,he has that luxury something he never had against Wawa at the AO,IMO if anything losing a match will make things worse for any opponent that faces him afterwards,if you get my drift….


jane Says:

yes, it’s true. on the other hand you are playing versus the top 8, whereas in slams, the first few rounds can be against people in the 100s, or below top 50.

in his group, nole has 2 grand slam winners so they could provide some trouble hippy. you never know. we should wait and see.


contador Says:

I think Raonic has warmed up and is steady enough now to take a set…we’ll see.

jane, HC, did either of you get a chance to watch Fed Cup from Prague? That was great tennis – well, the first two rounds anyway.


Hippy Chick Says:

Jane and yes thats my whole point,you can lose to one of the other top 8 players,and beat that same player a couple of days later,like serena and Halep,no way was she losing to the same player twice in the same tournament,i cannot see Novak losing two matches….

Anyway my only hope is that Andy doesnt get whitewashed….


Hippy Chick Says:

Contador no unfortunatly not,i saw the scores Kvitova was down a break in the third set against Kerber i believe?but Kvitova came back to win the match,was the other match a dead rubber?….


Hippy Chick Says:

Jane yeah true stranger things have happened,and i believe in fairies and angels been a Hippy pagan(and some people think im away with them anyway),so what do i know lol?….


jane Says:

contador, nope didn’t see it either.

hippy i hope andy doesn’t get whitewashed either.

got a kick out of this tweet:

“Whatever, tennis.
You are DRUNK right now.”


Hippy Chick Says:

Jane i dont really know much about what goes on when they are not playing,who sent the tweet?….


jane Says:

a tennis writer, matt someone…


Wog Boy Says:

Is ATP site wrong or Raonic is serving 38% in the second set?


Hippy Chick Says:

Jane i stand by my post at 3.48pm,also Murray may also play lights out and make the final,time will tell,but im sorry i just cant get enthusiastic about the possibility of a Novak/Andy final with the way Andys playing lately….


contador Says:

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2014/11/09/3340626/czechs-sweep-fed-cup-final-against.html

Petra was on fire. But the general level of tennis played from Kvitova, Safarova, and Petkovic was better in general than WTA tour fare. It was fun to watch. Sexy steps ln attendance, looking suave in a fedora :D

Hove no idea, Wog Boy what the stats are, but Milos started to look very comfortable in this 2nd set. He’s moving Federer around. Infact, looks like this 2nd set is at least going to a tie break. err…..raonic has a set point!


madmax Says:

How does Roger do it in tie breaks! He is just bloody amazing!

2 straight sets conty, but that second second was close! Too close!


Hippy Chick Says:

Well done Roger,better set from Raonic,but still couldnt force a third st….


sienna Says:

Roger paid him back in the breaker.

Raonic is on rampage this year in breakers, but Fed showed who is still breaker King…


contador Says:

Yep…that’s Roger, Madmax. He is so relaxed at O2 – maybe too relaxed going into that 2nd set. but no matter


skeezer Says:

FED! Lookin good.


Hippy Chick Says:

Hope Margots alright….


madmax Says:

Margot,

I still think he is in with a shot and I don’t just say that. He has done so well to make it to the ATP, this year. Worked hard. Kei is dangerous, whoever he plays. On the rise.

Murray however has played a lot of matches and shown he can still win in Vienna. He is back, just not back to his best just yet.

Seems to be afraid to play on the offensive. That isn’t Andy. He used to be more aggressive.
Any thoughts on this? Did you watch the match?


madmax Says:

Fed wants to wrap his matches up very quickly I would say. Conserve his energy.

He did well tonight. The Tiebreakers are nail biting but when he wins ‘em like that 7:0, well, who is the daddy?!!!!


TennisVagabond.com Says:

I just want to say congrats to Fed and the good Fed fans, like me.

Also, thanks for the commentary Brando, you can be a pretty insightful dude- when you want to be!


django Says:

Brando
I have been reading a bit of this forum and like reading your tennis analysis. It’s very fair & balanced, in my view. Keep going.


Michael Says:

Another master class performance by Roger and he extracted his rightful revenge on Raonic. I knew that he would be a different player at the WTF from what we saw in Paris Masters. The match was literally in Roger’s hands and with the confidence he is sailing through at the present moment, Raonic was an easy meat. By virtue of this victory, he has a fantastic head start and can fancy qualifying for another semi final outing at the venue. I do not think Roger would be satisfied by just going through the qualifying rounds and would like to win the tournament for a record seventh time and thereby ending the year in grand style.


Michael Says:

“I have been reading a bit of this forum and like reading your tennis analysis. It’s very fair & balanced, in my view. Keep going”

When I wish that Brando would make an excellent Tennis columnist, Skeezer has some problems and derides it as mere humour. Still, I honestly do not know how he has arrived at this conclusion ??


Okiegal Says:

@Hippy Chick……I just read where Rafa is having stem cell treatment on his back. I’ve never heard of that before. The article said it was a 5 week treatment. Thought you might be interested in that little tidbit of news. Didn’t know if I should put it on this thread or not. Hope no one was offended by it….but wanted you to know.


Michael Says:

With such an awful second serve, how Andy was able to win two Majors ? That is a riddle ?

Or is it that his second serve of late has become more vulnerable than it was earlier whereby Andy is not able to place it properly with the right pace and spin ?

I am sure most would agree that it is difficult to win two majors with such pathetic quality of serving ? So, Andy’s problems with his serve has developed of late with his back surgery and is continuing to have a deleterious impact on his overall game.

Even now, Andy has all the quality shots in his arsenal, but it is his serve which is playing spoilsport.

Last but not the least, Andy was fortunate in a sense that when he won those two majors, Rafa was not in the scene. Viewed from the perspective of the lop sided H2H against Rafa, that is a huge bonus for him.


Michael Says:

Okiegal,

Thanks for that piece of news from Rafa’s end. The Tennis circuit is eager as to when he will be back with a bang.


jane Says:

“With such an awful second serve, how Andy was able to win two Majors ? That is a riddle ?”

a couple of thoughts:

1. great first serve, so when percentage is high, it compensates
2. great return, so can break back almost at will


Michael Says:

The only player that I can know whose percentage of first serve has been quite high throughout his career is Rafa. He was invincible in a sense only due to this attribute of clocking first serves with incredible consistency. Very rarely you can see Rafa serve at below 70% first serves. It would be above 70% in most of his matches.

I do not think Andy’s first serve automatically compensates his weak second serve because it is very rare that Andy serves well in a match. Most of his matches, his first serves would be below 50% and that just doesn’t help.

Ofcourse Andy has a great return, but even with that attribute, he cannot break at will because his success depends upon his opponent’s quality of serving.


jane Says:

so what do you think has been the secret of his success then michael?


Michael Says:

Jane,

I am not belittling Andy in any manner. I have myself clarified in my post @ 1.04 am

“I am sure most would agree that it is difficult to win two majors with such pathetic quality of serving ? So, Andy’s problems with his serve has developed of late with his back surgery and is continuing to have a deleterious impact on his overall game”.

So, I am dealing with the problems of Andy post his back surgery where his serve has lost some sting – both first as well as second. Even previously Andy was in no way an exceptional server. But his brilliant tactical match play compensated for his weakness in the serving department. However, now this weakness is exposed and reflecting on his game unfavourably as even his extraordinary back court play has lost some of the vigour that resembled Andy of the past.
So, in a nutshell, Andy post his back surgery has some major chinks in his armour which are exploited by his opponents to their advantage.


jane Says:

michael, i never thought you were; your posts are always thoughtful and respectful. now, i see what you were getting at; I must’ve misread before. thanks.


Hippy Chick Says:

Thanks Okiegal for the info i just hope hes ready for the AO,no doubt the sarcastic comments will come soon enough….


Hippy Chick Says:

Michael agree Brandos posts are often very insightfull and well thought out,and when hes like that hes a treat to read and interact with,but theres a Jeckle and Hyde side to him too,one that insults fellow posters and the achievements the players,i used to have a good raport with him,but when disagreeing with him i was on the end of some sarcastic barbs which were uncalled for,i retaliated back with some sarcastic comments of my own,which i later regretted and i apologized for,but he didnt seem to want to know,and we dont interact anymore,im not bothered as thats his perogative,but i think this is what Skeezer was alluding to?….


Hippy Chick Says:

Okiegal im going away for a week pretty soon,as my father in law is not very well,so unless i get access to a computer i wont be able to blog,but rest assured ill be back and catching up before you know it :))….


Michael Says:

Jane – Thanks to you too !! It is always nice exchanging with you !!

Alison – I learn that your father in law is unwell and I really feel for it and wish him speedy recovery. It is also disheartening to learn that you will not be able to blog for some days and I hope to see you soon with all cheers and vibrancy.

Regarding Brando, well he is a brilliant decoder of Tennis analytics and commentates well on the strengths and weakness of every player. That is the reason I said that he would make an excellent Tennis columnist. As regards your bitter experience while disagreeing with him, it is sad to learn that and I have also witnessed some of the rough exchanges with you and him which I didn’t want to interfere. But as any human, Brando has positives as well as negatives and the delicate thing is to balance it.


Okiegal Says:

@Chick……Sorry about your father-in-law, hope he improves. Will miss you…..please come back with a vengeance!! Lol


Okiegal Says:

@Michael……I almost didn’t post the Rafa update on here, but thought it was newsworthy, as his injuries always are….LOL. I’m sure there will be a thread sooner or later. Glad you weren’t offended!


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Michael, Andy has always been known to have a terrible second serve. This is by no means a new problem with his back, its been his weakness his whole career.


michael Says:

Vagabond, True Andy’s second serve has always been his undoing. But as I said before his back surgery he was able to camoflauge this weakness by his tactical back court game. But of late after the back surgery, he has lost some lustre in his back court game too and that is precisely the reason for his downfall.


michael Says:

Okiegal, why should I be offended when you are providing update on Rafa’s recovery plans. They are very much relevant in whatever thread you post it.


skeezer Says:

@OK,
Interesting update about Rafa. Is this the same controversial therapy he had done on his knee(s)?


calmdownplease Says:

`So, in a nutshell, Andy post his back surgery has some major chinks in his armour which are exploited by his opponents to their advantage…`

There’s nothing wrong with Andy’s first serve.
When on its a thing of power and potency.
When it’s off however (under 50%) and the 2nd serve comes into play, forget it.
It’s nothing to do with his back surgery, as his 2nd serve has been terrible forever. And without much attempt to do anything about it.
He moves so well, and that can compensate. But really as much as I hate big serving tennis, to see 2 players misfiring on their serve as much as they both did on Sunday was quite a painful thing to witness.
Nishi at least became more composed and was able to successfully attack the Muzz game.
As for Andy at this event, well bar a few amazing matches (one in fact against NADAL which he still lost), he’s been dire throughout.


calmdownplease Says:

`Most of his matches, his first serves would be below 50% and that just doesn’t help..`

Inaccurate.
He’s 35th for the year on first serve (@60%);
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Matchfacts/Matchfacts-List.aspx?c=1&s=0&y=2014
I saw him serve at nearly 140mph in Vienna a few weeks ago, so I am confident it’s not a back issue at all.
Maybe it’s all caught up with him.


calmdownplease Says:

It’s actually quite funny when one takes in just how MUCH effort was put into getting to the wtf promised land in the first place. Now there, he might just get the wooden spoon for all his efforts.
At least it’s something, right?
Or maybe not, we’ll see (& thank goodness for T Berdych lol)


Okiegal Says:

@Michael…..Thanks but you never know how a Rafa injury will be received on a non Rafa thread. Don’t want to be known as a thread “hijacker”….LOL

@Skeezer….I read a few weeks ago on one of his sites about getting a back treatment. Did not have a clue what kind. Yesterday I read stem cell. He is also going to do treat his knee. The knee treatment might be considered stem cell too. Don’t really know.

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