Djokovic v Murray, Tsonga v Wawrinka; French Open SF Picks And Pans
by Sean Randall | June 4th, 2015, 7:37 pm
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Two guys we expected. One guy we thought had a chance and another few would have guessed. That’s our final four at the French Open. Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray, Stan Wawrinka and JW Tsonga.

Let’s get to my picks.

Stan Wawrinka v JW Tsonga
This is another tough match to call, and wouldn’t you know it, their head-to-head is a dead even 3-3 with each having claimed a win over the other at Roland Garros.

“It’s going to be an exciting match, for sure,” Wawrinka said. “Jo is a really strong player. He’s been struggling a little bit since Toronto last year with injury, but in the French Open, in a Grand Slam, he’s always there, always playing really well. He already played a semifinal here a few years ago.”

Other than Djokovic, Stan’s looked the best to me. After a tough start to the clay season, he’s apparently gotten over the personal issues and is now playing forceful tennis. And it’s no fluke. He won the Australian Open and he got back to the semifinals this year and added a French semifinal as well. Stan has had his ups and downs, but he’s a real player.

As for Tsonga, you just don’t know. A few years ago after thumping Roger Federer he barely showed up for his French Open semifinal against Ferrer. I don’t expect a repeat of that horrible performance but you never know.

In fact Wawrinka could also fail to show up. Heck, they both could lay an egg!

But I rate Stan’s chances a little better here. I feel like the Swiss has a little more consistent. Tsonga will have the crowd but I just think Stan is playing the better tennis.
The pick: Wawrinka in 5

Novak Djokovic v Andy Murray
Once again it’s good pals Novak Djokovic and Andy Murray. If it seems like they play almost every week, you wouldn’t be far from wrong. It’s already their fourth meeting of the year and Novak’s won those plus the last seven overall.

And it’s Novak ahead 18-8 in their series. And with the streak, the stakes, the win over Rafa, Djokovic is the clear favorite. There’s no debate.

“Both of us are going into the match feeling confident,” Murray said. “He’s obviously played on Court Philippe Chatrier last couple of rounds, which is helpful. I think he goes into the match feeling good.”

Djokovic hasn’t lost a set and he’s dominated this week. Murray’s dropped a few but I think he’s played well, and he too is on a roll.

The problem is Murray’s only chance is if he plays well and Djokovic doesn’t. Novak’s “A” game is better than anything Murray can throw at him.

That said, I do wonder if Djokovic lets down after Nadal. And knowing what Djokovic is playing far – especially now that Rafa is watching at home – Murray is really playing with no pressure. None.

He can go out there and actually have fun against his friend of many years. So I really do give Andy a chance here, and part of me really wants to pick him to pull the upset, because I think it’s more than possible.

“He has improved on clay, no doubt about it,” said Djokovic. “He’s moving better, serving very well, and he always had touch, one of the best groundstrokes in the game… He’s extremely talented. He’s also a great fighter and somebody that has a lot of experience playing in big matches.”

Murray has improved on clay, that’s true. But to win? Novak’s going to have to have an off day for that to happen. And I don’t see it.
The pick: Djokovic in 4

As for surprises, I think anything’s possible. Stan or Jo could win in straight or go five. Novak could very easily roll Murray, and I could see Murray winning in four should Novak fall apart. But otherwise, these should be good matches.

The Tennis Channel and NBC has a tag team on the men’s semifinals.


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398 Comments for Djokovic v Murray, Tsonga v Wawrinka; French Open SF Picks And Pans

armelwani Says:

You’re close, Sean, but it’s going to be Wawrinka in 4 and Djokovic in 4. Both of them will drop their first sets, as Tsonga and Murray will come out with all guns blazing. After Wawrinka and Djokovic weather their storms, it will be clear blue skies and plain sailing from then on out.

You heard it here first…


Eric W. Says:

I think Nole wins in 3, convincingly, and then wins in 3 in the final. Doesn’t matter who he plays from here on in, he believes in himself and resistance is futile. Murray et al should be happy to make it to the semis; for Djokovic only the title will do, and he’s clearly the dominant clay player in the world at present.


mat4 Says:

I think that both matches are fairly open, it’s 50% in both. Murray plays well, Wawrinka too, Jo plays in front of his public, Novak was good so far.

Murray is a bad match-up for Novak, and it seems it’s going to be very hot. Not the best semi for Novak, but if he wants to win RG, obviously he has to do it the hard way.

The only little weakness I see in Andy’s game is his FH, and perhaps his second serve, although it hasn’t to be. I watched a part of his match against David Ferrer, and nothing of that was visible. He overpowered the Spaniard easily, on a faster surface, though.

Wawrinka could be the overall favourite, and he will certainly be the favourite if he makes the final. He has the power, the patience to win it all.

I see frankly Novak as the underdog in the semi, and also in the final if he makes it. He must be emotionally empty after the QF. He played a excellent match, but often you don’t manage to play that well in successive matches. And he needs to play 3 great matches in a row, against opponents that don’t suit him.

I hope he will be able to do it, although it will be quite complicated. I don’t know if he can’t match Murray’s power and patience in the semi, or the power of the opponent in the final, whoever he may be.

So let’s hope for the best, but don’t expect too much.


RZ Says:

Considering that I’ll be on a plane tomorrow during the semis, things are looking good for Andy! Margot, you can breathe a sigh of relief that I won’t be watching. :-)


ABerg Says:

Odds on Djokovic are 1/5. For Murray 9/2.


funches Says:

Djokovic will not lose to Murray. Wawrinka will not lose to Tsonga if he shows up. Don’t know how many sets it will take but I know who will win.


django Says:

Mat
I think Murray is the favorite tomorrow as it will be hot.


Wog Boy Says:

I don’t see Nole as the favorite, I watched Andy’s matches and he is in excellent form, he does the same as Nole hitting hard from both wings and changes direction at will, he should have never lost that set against Ferrer, he was moving Ferrer so much that I had feeling that David’s head was spinning around. As django said, hot and humid works better for Andy.


Humble Rafa Says:

I am sure this forum will be lively and show up to support the neutral country person playing tomorrow.

Oh, never mind.


Okiegal Says:

My heart tells me Andy but my head says Novak vs Stanimal with the Serbian the victor!!


jane Says:

agree with mat4, django and wog boy re: the weather and andy’s form being excellent. andy will also want revenge for recent losses. novak wants the trophy, too, though, but that he’s been trying for it for years now means added pressure to fulfill that goal, especially after beating rafa at roland garros. sigh.


django Says:

wog boy and all but otoh novak beat murray in Miami and Australia and it was scorching there.


Humble Rafa Says:

In the last 10 years, players who have beat Humble at RG never won the FO that year.

#sobering stat
#samplesizeproblem


chris ford1 Says:

Humble – LOL!
And your stats insight is quite good!


Markus Says:

I want Wawrinka to be in the finals. I can’t pick between Djokovic and Murray. It’s OK for me whoever wins, I just don’t want the loser to feel as dejected as Nadal did.


Wog Boy Says:

django, AO was evening match, not so hot and humid, Nole prefers evening matches, plus he loves Rod Laver Arena, feels like at home.


Šuškica Mala Says:

Novak vs. Murray – 6:3 7:5 6:2


jane Says:

django, yeah that is a valid point about the weather, too.

rafa did seem sad in his presser, it’s true – like he was going to choke up at times – but that is mitigated by the fact that he has 9 french opens and 14 slam titles. rafa beat novak for his career slam at the us open 2010 and again in 2013. nole was pretty dejected after that last loss. they all take tough losses against each other. such is sport.


Wog Boy Says:

Šuškice, what was your prediction for Rafa match, if I remember well, you were pretty close?


jane Says:

humble rafa, are you on twitter? i think it’d be a great forum for your humour and hashtags. (#samplesizeproblem – lol!)


Wog Boy Says:

Humble Rafa, can you make stats (plural) out of single sample (Soderling)?


Šuškica Mala Says:

Wog Boy, indeed I wasn’t far off. It was something along the lines of “he’ll CRUSH that Spanish rat in 3 sets” :)

I think I had a similar prediction against Rafa and Roger at Monte Carlo/Rome – athough I may have been more specific with my score predictions too.


gannu Says:

HR is the best.. love ur posts..
keep them coming.. u r really one
witty character!!@


chris ford1 Says:

Murray and Nole could be an interesting contest. I don’t know why people say these two incredible athletes playing one another is boring. They both play dazzling tennis. Both are drama queens, Nole the more positive one.
If Nole can command center court and be aggressive and run Andy around over 3-4 sets, he should be OK as far as energy and impact of the heat on his fitness go for the Final. If he plays a long defensive struggle with 24 shot rallies over 4-5 sets, Nole is still favored, IMO, but in serious trouble for the Final. Delpo depleted Nole and beat him up in that classic 2013 semi at Wimbledon, and Nole suffered a weary, dismal Final.

Both Tsonga and Stan can beat Nole or Murray – but I think it would be hard for either to prevail if the survivor of Murray-Djokovic is reasonably fresh. Better shot if Muzz somehow wins, as since 2011 Nole has won 9 of 10 from Jo and 9 of 10 from Wawrinka, though besides his one win in the AO QFs last year, Stan has battled Nole to the edge 4 other times (but lost).


Dan Martin Says:

My predictions are up at http://tennisabides.com I think Murray has a chance as his form is better than in 2014, but Nole has so much momentum. Also, Tsonga and Wawrinka have gone the distance in all but one of their 6 career meetings so I expect a good one.


Okiegal Says:

We have a new Jamie…..


funches Says:

These people predicting Tsonga will beat or can beat Wawrinka must not have watched the Federer-Wawrinka match.

Wawrinka was absolutely awesome from first point to the last. He would have cleaned Nishikori’s clock, which Tsonga did for nearly two sets before his inevitable letdown.

On form, I would rate Djokovic 1, Wawrinka 2 and Murray 3, with all of them playing A level tennis. Tsonga is a distant fourth.


Margot Says:

@RZ
Phew!
Can’t see Andy beating Nole TBH. Not here. As Dan says also Nole has some momentum going and has had his eyes on this prize for some time now. Just hoping for Andy to give him a run for his money and put down some markers for the rest of the season.
As for the other, unless the crowd lifts Jo into some other tennis place, can’t see Stan losing.
However…..Come on Andy! Come on Jo! Surprise me!


tennisfansince76 Says:

High stakes for tomorrow’s semi. Djokovic has been all but crowned the #1 for the year but he is only 2600 pts up on Murray. Were Murray to win tomorrow, go on to win the French and then win Wimbledon he would pull even with djokovic on pts.


Michael Says:

For me, the Tsonga Vs Wawarinka encounter is too close to call. If we have to take a leaf out of their earlier match, then it is Wawarinka who will hold the edge considering the way he blasted Roger off the court with his bludgeoning back hand down the line shots. But, Tsonga too executed himself admirably against Nishikori after being given a scare when he had to squander his two set lead. So, I think this is a knife of the edge thriller and should be a pulsating encounter. I expect it to be an epic battle with Tsonga prevailing finally. If you ask me why I am picking Tsonga, I may not be in a position to substantiate my favouritism. But, still, I go with the under dog – Tsonga in five.

As regards Novak vs Andy, for sure Andy is playing some of the best Clay court Tennis of his life and is battling it out very well. He also has an unbeaten run on Clay except for the blip when he had to withdraw due to fatigue reasons. Other than that, he is playing some fabulous Tennis and is sure to pose a threat to Novak. Still I feel that Novak will hold the edge considering the way he acquired confidence by beating the indomitable Rafa in straight sets and he is now unbeaten for some amount of time. Also, he has a better H2H against Andy which was close earlier but now the gap has considerably widened with Andy feeling the heat beaten consecutively since his Wimbledon win of 2013. So, all things considered, Novak should be the favourite and I think he should win in five sets with two tough sets in offing.


Rick Says:

Sean’s curse will be working on Nole. Haha And he doesn’t deserve that much credits with that win against Rafa. With the way that he had been playing. Any of the top guys would had thumped him silly the other day. Even Fed would had finished Rafa off with that score. Warinka did it in Rome, Murray did it in Madrid, and even Berdych had a three sets win in Australia.


Rick Says:

Nole has to get rip of his “One Slam A Year” label being number 1! And Boris not gonna help him much on this issue. Since he has not won orx even get into the final himself.


wilfried Says:

How could the new alfa male no be the favorite against Andy Murray?
Nole is the favorite, if you want to admit it or not, and barring injury he should win against Andy. Point la ligne.
Andy may share the technical symmetry in his groundstrokes with Novak as MMM – whom I consider one of the best commentators on this blog although he rarely drops one – explained us so well, but Andy is no Novak, at least not yet. He is in my eyes, he is more like Rafa a natural defender, but one who makes too many errors with his FH when he goes in attacking mode.
I expect a Djokoviv- Wawrinka final this year and I’m really looking forward to it.


Giles Says:

Okie dokie joker here we go. Please don’t be a drama queen on court today. Please don’t throw tantrums. Please don’t smash racquets. Please don’t swear at the spectators in Serbian. Please don’t try any of your antics in an effort to distract Murphy. Play fair, be a good sport and you will surely come out the loser.


KatH Says:

Not discounting MICHAEL’s comments but would like to stick a couple of asterisks:

Re Andy v Nole – the H2H was closer prior to A’s back surgery – Andy was off the radar for approx. 1 year – only now getting back – even if he doesn’t beat Nole today, I would expect the H2H to improve going forward (maybe today will enlighten us).

Re Stan v Jo – The fervour he displayed against RF may well have had elements of “personal” in it – especially as Mrs. RF was prominently present courtside. Will he still have that doggedness against JO who will doubtless get huge inspiration from French supporters.?


Rick Says:

Agree with Kath. Other than that, and when Nole wasn’t playing in Australia . Nole was beaten by Murray in Grand Slams like Wimbledon and the US Open. And nowsdays, any of those top guys could stops Rafa’s reign on clay. We might have four different Slams winner this year with Nole being number 1. And he has heaps to defend when the indoor tournaments are on. And he usuually doesn’t do very well when has lots to defend!


calmdownplease Says:

I would like to discount Michael’s comments actually,
But mostly for his grammar & spelling ;0)

C’MON ANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rick Says:

Nole has been playing alot lately. And he could be winning too much to soon, he will also has bad days like other players do. And Murray has been playing well. So he really needs to worry Murray more than he did with Rafa, coming into this tournament.


Hippy Chick Says:

As much as i would love a Murray/Tsonga final i think we will get the other,although i just cant see Jo taking 3 sets off either player unfortunatly so i fear a bit of a washout in the final,so maybe having Stan in the final would be more competitive,i hope Murray gives it his all and not be like one poster suggested just happy to have made it this far just because its clay and not considered his best surface,i know he prefers grass and might have his mind on Wimbledon,but this is now Andy i want you back in the GS winners circle so why not RG?….


calmdownplease Says:

As a Muzz fan I personally have no anxiety about this one whatsoever.
It’s Andy’s least accomplished surface, so I have little in the way of expectations. Granted he is improving rapidly on a surface he should be good on anyway.
But it’s just a bonus to get to the semis at this stage.
And I expect Andy feels somewhat the same about it.
And that will make him a tricky customer Today, esp if Novak starts nevously as he used to when he thought Andy could be a problem.
And Andy will be a problem
The fact that it’s clay will not stop that from being the case when it’s 2 top 3 players throwing down.


Rick Says:

Tennis does get boring, and with the top 4 all getting old soon. It is becoming a sport for the middle age. So you donot get alot of young guys interested in it nowadays. Countries like Sweden and Germany, used to have alot of champions. The young people are playing other sports. And in the US, tennis is never the most popular sport there. Young guys are more interest to play other sports.


calmdownplease Says:

Federer is already old, in the way and should now retire.
He wont however and I don’t mean this disrespectfully, but it is time.
Andy and Novak are 6 years younger and slam contenders.
Lumping the top 4 together as `old` just doesn’t wash.
Its fedal that are creaking only.


Rick Says:

And with Rafa not winning on clay these days. The Frenchis hoinf to ge like the old days, you would have uunpredictable winners every year. Like Gaudio, Albert Costa and Coria? This slam going to open for the European claycourt specialists to win!


calmdownplease Says:

I’m relieved that Nadal is no longer the winner of RG
This part of the season got a lot more interesting for this reason, it’s like a weight has been lifted.
Sorry Nadal fans but I have to be honest.


Rick Says:

Tennis for middle age! Soon Nole is 28 and the new guys are not good. So the sport is becoming a middle-aged sport soon. And is bore to watch the entire game. The highlights are more fun to watch.


Michael Says:

Calmdown please,

I am willing to take lessons wherever it may come. Tell me where I am wrong and I will correct myself !!


calmdownplease Says:

I will say however that I was a little sad for Rafa that he couldn’t make a (much) better match of it.
I mean Novak beaating Nadal should have had far more meaning and eventfulness
But he will be back next year….


Rick Says:

And sorry, for Nole fans! Talk only when your guy could remove his his “1 Slam A Year” tag first.


calmdownplease Says:

`I am willing to take lessons wherever it may come. Tell me where I am wrong and I will correct myself !!`

Wherever THEY may come, dear boy.
There, that was your first one!


Rick Says:

And for the previous years, when Nole being number 1. The year end number one has to decided by the outdoor tournaments instead. And Fed were also having a serious run for being number one.


KatH Says:

Rick – Nole was 28 last month…..


Wog Boy Says:

I am having a trouble to understand Rick, am I the only one?

@Kath,
Nole “turned 28″ last month, not “was 28″, give him another year to be “was”:)


KatH Says:

Oh Wog Boy – You gave me a big, big smile – I see the improvement – but that said, I’m actually not wrong…..”he was 28 last month” – LOL


Michael Says:

Calmdownplease,

Are we undertaking a grammatical course here or is it a Forum ??

If you see your own construction of sentence, you may realize your faultlines. I do not make much fuss out of it like you do.

By the way, I do not want to enter into a battle of grammar and spellings here.


Michael Says:

Thanks KaTH for not discounting my grammar and spelling like calmdownplease who is a Shakespearian.


KatH Says:

Michael – Don’t worry – everything is cool –

Cheers


Gordon Says:

Calmdownplease – really? He’s ranked #2 in the world and he truly loves playing tennis more than anything else.

Seriously – who do you think you are to ask Federer to retire?

The gall.


Wog Boy Says:

KatH,
Well then I am wrong, since in my language we wouldn’t use word “was” for something that is still going.


Michael Says:

Thanks KaTH.

We have some funny people over here indulging in a grammatical contest.


calmdownplease Says:

Calm down please Michael, I’m obviously joking

`who do you think you are to ask Federer to retire?`

Well aren’t you a bright spark?
I didn’t ask him anything, I said it was time that he did.


Sidney Says:

Hoping for a good match today.

Novak needs to just continue what he’s been doing.

Andy needs to be more aggressive, and also needs to improve his 2nd serve now that his back has healed. And no crying please.

I predicted earlier in the season that Andy would be Novak’s main challenger this year. Andy has done quite well under Mauresmo!

Novak in 4 tight sets, with 2 tiebreakers!

Go Novak!


Wog Boy Says:

The way Wawrinka is playing so far I don’t see Tsonga taking fiva games nevertheless set. Stan is bulldozing Tsonga.


Hippy Chick Says:

Michael/CDP/KatH/Wogboy LOL to all of the above posts….


sienna Says:

in beginning of year I critizised Wawa for his weight.

He has embraced that critic to be in better shape. much faster and alert then when he played Rotterdam.

Tsonga also lost some weight.
the results are there.


Hippy Chick Says:

Sidney no offence but i have to ask is really a challenge/rivalry when one player hasnt actually beaten the other in such a long time?….


Hippy Chick Says:

Michael i left you a post on the other thread,just wondering if you read it?….


sienna Says:

when I start critizising Cilic …beware.

I wait after Wimbledon…..


jalep Says:

Wog Boy

Stan is the one I’ve been most worried about since I watched his match v Johnson last week.

He is mowing down everything in sight. Of course also nervous about Andy. Stan was looking authoratative didn’t mind pummeling Federer either. Crowd isn’t going to bother him.

AO 2014 mode.


Markus Says:

It would be nice to have perfect grammar and spelling but it is not something that should be expected out of everyone here because there are several posters to whom English is only a second (or third, etc.) language. Besides, these computers/tablets/smartphones have minds of their own.

Go Wawrinka!


Markus Says:

Wouldn’t it be quite impresive if the only winners of the last 10 French would be coached by the same guy? Magnus Norman was Soderling’s when he beat Nadal.


jalep Says:

Must ever be careful of the grammar and phraseology police on tennis-x.


Felipe Says:

I look forward to a Djokovic and Wawrinka sunday final…. all their slam matches since 2014have gone the distance (AUS 2013 / US 2013 / AUS 2014 / AUS 2015)…Djokovic 3-1.
Wawrinka set up, break up


Markus Says:

I think it is OK to correct grammar/spelling if it is not obviously a typographical error…but never correct anyone in an insulting manner.

Wawrinka continues to impress. He would be a worthy and exciting finalist.


Sidney Says:

Alison, None taken.

Andy has been the best player not named Novak this year. Got to give him kudos for that, especially coming from a back injury that obviously hampered his game.

I think Andy is in a good position atm, to take advantage of an inevitable drop in Novak’s level.


Okiegal Says:

Not only is grammar and proper English policed, but also science…..


calmdownplease Says:

Good gawd you guys need to lighten up a bit
lol
Anyhoo, Tsonga’s getting blown off court as most predicted.
Still, however, an impressive and unexpected comeback from Jo.


jalep Says:

No. Jo got a break back. There ia still hope.

Allez Jo!


calmdownplease Says:

ooh lala ces’t vrai!


Margot Says:

@wog Boy
Present continuous(also called progressive) = Nole is 28
Past simple = Nole was 28 in May.
Meanwhile, GO JO!


Ben Pronin Says:

What happened? I looked away for 5 minutes and it went from 4-3 to 4-5!!

So when people ask why the French Open is looked down upon when compared to the other slams, maybe it’s because the coverage in the US is an absolute joke. NBC should be banned from ever covering tennis ever. It’s just ridiculous. There’s a LIVE SEMIFINAL happening right now but it’s not on TV or available to stream. And I have to pay extra for Tennis Channel?

I generally hate ESPN but they do an incredible job covering the sport when they have exclusive rights. I can’t wait for Wimbledon when it’ll be tennis 24/7. For now I guess I’ll have to follow live scores because it’s pretty much the same as watching it, no?


jalep Says:

Been too busy to read tennis-x this week. Okiegal.

Did I miss something interesting on the science topic?

Can’t break Stan…


Hippy Chick Says:

What the hell was Mats Wilander talking about?thank goodness for J.Mac for talking a bit of sense jeez….


chris ford1 Says:

Felipe, while Nole and Stan have had some awesome and close matches, it’s still 9 out of 10 last matches for Nole. The exception being Stan taking him in the 2014 AO QFs, obviously.


jalep Says:

Ben Pronin. I feel your pain.


Markus Says:

Glad I have Tennis Channel. Now if they can only get rid of Jim Courier who can’t stop babbling.


Margot Says:

@Ben
That’s interesting because in the UK we have a minority channel, ITV 4 broadcasting RG. I think they use a French transmission tho. and are limited to 2 matches per session. English comms of course.


Margot Says:

Sorry didn’t mean 2 matches. They are limited to the main courts, don’t show 1 etc.


calmdownplease Says:

Wawrinka looks very sweaty indeed.
If it somehow goes to 5 I think it might be Jo’s
Murray like FH shanks from him however


jalep Says:

Well I have tennis channel too. But the cost is high and the only way to get it is Direct TV where I live. Markus. I hate Direct TV so bad.

Tsonga is going to take this set…I think :D

Allez jo!


calmdownplease Says:

`What the hell was Mats Wilander talking about?

What, just now or like EVER?

Good hold from Jo


Ben Pronin Says:

Margot, I’d gladly take a limit of the main courts. Since I’m at work I can’t use a sketchy stream. But even if I could, it’s just ridiculous. It’s such a bad way to promote the sport. Ugh I’m so mad right now.


Okiegal Says:

@Jalep….

On the Novak destroys Rafa thread, discussion on evolution came up……We all have different beliefs.

@Ben……That is why I’m watching on my computer. I detest watching a sports function after the fact! Grrrr Totally agree, I wish ESPN would take over!


Okiegal Says:

Wow….Jo has kicked it up a notch…..TB coming up!


jalep Says:

And I have to get to work early. Early morning work all week = no watching the match I want to watch most. AJDE NOLE!


Markus Says:

NBC has several affiliate stations. The least that it could do is air it on those other channels instead of showing delayed and edited broadcasts. And these TV stations wonder why tennis viewership is so low in the US.


jalep Says:

Ah I see Okiegal. Have the weekend off. Will try to catch up. :D


Markus Says:

What happened to Wawrinka? Is he coming down from clowd nine?


Markus Says:

Horrors! “cloud”, not “clowd”.


calmdownplease Says:

For the people that don’t think the heat will be a factor Today…
I present this TB as exhibit A that it will


Ben Pronin Says:

Wowsers!! I wish I could watch. Wawrinka must be kicking himself for losing that set. We have a match!!


Margot Says:

Well, goodness gracious me. One set each. Don’t think Stan likes the heat too much.


Ben Pronin Says:

What happened in the TB? Why is the heat a factor? Is Wawrinka tired?

Markus, I like that. Clowd nine.


Margot Says:

@CDP
A MASSIVE storm is predicted for around 4ish
@Ben
Stan literally and metaphorically looking very hot and bothered at the mo. Massive collapse in the tie from him.


calmdownplease Says:

Ben, why don’t you mask your signal and go onto to the `ITV player` in the UK?

Damn, I think it will rain later
There goes the Ad for Muzz


Ben Pronin Says:

Stan served 31% first serves in the second set. And he probably should’ve won it. This guy and his serve.


Ben Pronin Says:

CDP, unfortunately I can’t do that at work.


Ben Pronin Says:

I must say I’m very surprised that Tsonga would benefit from the hot weather over Wawrinka. I think everyone would expect it to be the other way around.


calmdownplease Says:

hot spot shield is a good one (when you can)


Margot Says:

@CDP
They were talking about having to evacuate the stadium so goodness knows what is going to happen.
And, as they’ve already had falling metal, perhaps they should.


Jeez Says:

STAN won the 2nd SET against Federer with 40% 1st Serve facing 0 break points!!!


KatH Says:

Exactly – the heat looks like it is a major factor – Stan looked like he needed his Zimmer at one stage.

What a tie-break!

@ Margot – you’re a clever wee lassie (8.29am)


chris ford1 Says:

The year NBC ticked me off the most was 2009. Best not remembered at all for the 2 semifinal classics US fans were shut out of seeing live. Soderling and Chilean Gonzalez in his last truly great match battling a 5 setter. And Federer who was just a 2nd set tiebreaker away from going down in straight sets to a healthy full guns blazing del Potro.


calmdownplease Says:

Margot, If its rainy and damp etc, I hate to say it, but it’s surely the case that Andy will not even have the quarter chance he has right now!


calmdownplease Says:

Margot let’s do a `reverse rain dance`!


Margot Says:

@CDP
I know. :(
But if the match had to be put off till tomorrow when it will be hot and sunny again….well a gal can hope.
@KatH
I had a very old fashioned education!


Jeez Says:

BP won was 1/8 for STAN & 1/1 for Jo in SET 2


Margot Says:

@CDP
They can see the storm clouds from the commentary box apparently.
Rain reverse dance? KatH and her crystals better get on the case too.More chance.
And lovely Jo breaks again :0


Margot Says:

No, had break point, getting ahead of myself. Now ad Stan


Jeez Says:

BP won for the match 1/9 fr Jo & 2/10 for STAN


Jeez Says:

MTO for STAN


Ben Pronin Says:

I think that’s what you call “Clutch City”.


Jeez Says:

OR NOT???


Jeez Says:

Almost 6 minutes break but no MTO !!


Wog Boy Says:

Stan was buying the time by calling trainer, for a strange reason he is struggling physically and Tsonga is failing to take advantage of the situation.


KatH Says:

I’m watching on TV4 (No.24 on Remote) – I haven’t heard a word about a storm – sky looks blue but flags now moving —-

….only thing said was later there might be a flash storm but didn’t indicate it could affect either match —-will keep ears pricked/crystals ready….


calmdownplease Says:

amazing point from Tsonga
I think he might win this one


KatH Says:

NOW they’ve said “First cloud of the day has appeared and there may be a few more to follow….”


Eric Says:

Tsonga is playing fine, but Stan is back on. These past few games he’s been very strong, especially when he needed to be.


calmdownplease Says:

The issue is the weather in a few hours
having said that, it might get hot again quickly
with more humidity too
C’mon hurry up Jo/Wawa


Ben Pronin Says:

No, Tsonga and Wawrinka need to tire themselves out.


calmdownplease Says:

yes, that is true.
I’m not gonna worry about the conditions now
Que sera sera and all of that


Margot Says:

How painful this is. Jo’s poor back hand is being targeted, just like Rafa used to do to Fed.


Jeez Says:

This game @ 4 all could prove the turning point of the match..


Wog Boy Says:

If Tsonga doesn’t win this set he is only to blame himself, he had Stan served on the plate.


Eric Says:

Tsonga just made Stan run a 5k while he himself calmly stood in the middle of the court waiting for the ball to come back.


Jeez Says:

Tsonga served just 22 points(winning 20) for 5 games while STAN needed 46 service points for
6 games(saving 6 Break points)!!


Ben Pronin Says:

Well Tsonga stole the second set so Wawrinka is trying to return the favor.


Ben Pronin Says:

The irony is that this is their third meeting at Roland Garros and the first time they split the first 2 sets.

Both previous matches had Tsonga go up 2 sets to love.


Margot Says:

Jo’s weak back hand is costing him this match. It just breaks down under pressure.


Markus Says:

Tsonga deserved that third set the way Wawrinka deserved the second. All is fair again.


Eric Says:

Dang, Tsonga did kind of steal the second set, as Ben said, but still: it’s rough to dominate like that (Tsonga had six break points, Wawa zero; Stan never made inroads on Tsonga’s serve while he was under constant pressure himself) and lose the set in a breaker. Great stuff from Stan with his back up against the wall, as always. The match is probably about over unless Tsonga can show us something new.


Felipe Says:

Australianopen 2014 all over again…Wawrinka beats one of his nemesis in 1/4 (Djokovic 2014 / Federer 2015)…then faces a big hitter, head case in semis, and beat him (Berdych 2014 / Tsonga 2015) 6/3 6/7 7/6 7/6 …and then goes as a huge underdog in the final against an all time great (Nadal)


Eric Says:

And, of course, Wawrinka is already up a break now in the fourth.


Jeez Says:

SET 3 STATISTICS

TSONGA WAWRINKA

1st serve 75% 49%
1st serve won 83%(20/24) 76%(19/25)
2nd serve won 75%(6/8) 58%(15/26)
1st return won 24%(26/32) 17%(4/24)
2nd return won 35%(17/51) 25% (2/8)
BP conversion 0/6 0/0
Total ponits 43 40


Jeez Says:

Another 2 BPs wasted by Tsonga!!


SL Says:

Stan in 4 and Novak in 4 is a logical conclusion. But again the matches are being played on the court, not on the website.

Tsonga’s making a real fist of this one, BUT if Tsonga wins the final could be a bore, the Henri Leconte gets outplayed by Mats Wilander type bore (for those old enough to remember), so even as a neutral, I kind of hope Stan does win.

Murray could do it if he can keep a high first serve %, although will he be able to overturn the mental edge that Novak has over him, is doubtful.

Hope for a tight second semi final and some good tennis.


Giles Says:

https://mobile.twitter.com/davidlawtennis/status/606526445796630529
Some more comedy from Mats. Lol. Fedfans are gonna love this.


jane Says:

tsonga’s abysmal on bp chances.


calmdownplease Says:

If it’s hot again Finals day Wawrinka will be toast
And i mean that in every way


Felipe Says:

Stans face is like a red chilli


Markus Says:

This smells like the second set.


Jeez Says:

Would STAN have a 2nd Meltdown like SET 2!!??


Jeez Says:

May be NOT!!!


Margot Says:

Jo’s had something like 18 break points and made, what, 1? OMG :0


Jeez Says:

STAN to serve for the Match..


Jeez Says:

2 Match points.!!!


Jeez Says:

Its done

STAN the MAN!!!!


Markus Says:

Well done! If Wawrinka wins the whole thing, I’m gonna get myself a pair of those shorts.


Ben Pronin Says:

Wawrinka must be singing “started from the bottom now we here” nonstop now.


calmdownplease Says:

Tsonga is too Erratic
It seems to be a cultural phenomenon in French Sports to be honest.


mat4 Says:

I am so sad. Jo had a good chance, but he just let it slip. At least, he fought valiantly, and there`s no reason to be disappointed. The better player won.

Yet…


Jeez Says:

SET 4 STATISTICS

TSONGA WAWRINKA

1st serve 68% 62%
1st serve won 59%(16/27) 67%(16/24)
2nd serve won 54%(7/13) 67%(10/15)
1st return won 33%(8/24) 41%(11/27)
2nd return won 20%(3/15) 38%(5/13)
BP conversion 0/6 1/5
Total ponits 36 43


calmdownplease Says:

Isn’t it supposed to rain around now?


SL Says:

Well done Stan. But if he plays at this level in the final, he is indeed “toast”.

You never know with Stan, if he brings his best game, he could beat anyone bar none. But will he ?

It seems the rain and hailstorm have missed the stadium, at least for now.


Jeez Says:

MATCH STATISTICS

TSONGA WAWRINKA

Aces 8 15
Double faults 2 6
1st serve 69% 52%
1st serve won 72%(73/102) 76%(62/82)
2nd serve won 56%(25/45) 59%(44/75)
1st return won 24%(20/82) 28%(29/102)
2nd return won 33%(25/75) 40%(18/45)
BP conversion 1/17 3/15
Total points 149 155


Ben Pronin Says:

Do people here think Stan’s A game is better than Murray or Djokovic’s A game?


Tennis Vagabond Says:

The caveat is, what is an A game? Is it going for shots that most days you WON’T make, but you have to because you will lose otherwise, so what the heck, maybe you’ll get lucky?


calmdownplease Says:

That’s called REDLINING

And stan redlines well, however his A game is not as good as a Murray or Djokovic in my view


Margot Says:

@MarKus
As long as u post a picture of yourself and those shorts on here…:)
@CDP
Reverse rain dance is working so far!
Let’s Go Andy! Let’s Go!


Ben Pronin Says:

I mean that’s what it would be for Wawrinka. I think for Djokovic his A game is when he simply doesn’t miss easy shots. He’s actually capable of playing matches and not missing in general. But he’s also able to stay on top of the baseline and not get pushed back. Murray is more or less the same. Not miss, execute aggressive shots. But Wawrinka will never move as well as them so if they’re both playing their A games, then Murray/Djokovic will have a huge edge in movement and defense.


Ben Pronin Says:

I’m very cold again.


Emily Says:

Stan just won and I still feel nauseous. He was clearly nervous in that 2nd set and his first serve percentage was awful. If he hadn’t shown up for that 3rd set tiebreak, it would probably have gone Tsonga’s way.

He is pretty good in terms of saving break points and both had an awful conversion rate. The conditions didn’t suit him as well as when he played Roger, but he held his nerve and dealt w/ the crowd.

I know Tsonga’s French, but did they really have to boo Stan when he won? You would never see that at the other slams, b/c if there is mutual respect b/w the players, it doesn’t feel right to hold another player’s win against them. It’s especially strange b/c Stan’s native language is French and he’s friends w/ all the French players, but if he can deal w/ that Davis Cup final, the crowd isn’t going to get to him.

He has to play much better on Sunday, but he has the game to beat anyone. I think this close semi and beating Roger shows that he really earned his spot in the final, but it would be great if the conditions favor him. He will be the underdog, for sure, but that’s what happened in 2014.

If I believed in fate, Stan’s path has been beat the #2 in the quarters and (if Novak wins) #1 in the final in order to win a slam. Wouldn’t Stan winning the French shake up the tennis world, but I know I don’t have that many fellow believers.


Okiegal Says:

C’mon Andy!!!


Emily Says:

@Jeez, the commentators mentioned that a junior boy’s champion hasn’t won the actual French since Wilander


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I don’t see how anyone can say with a straight face that Andy is the favourite, because he’s ‘in form’. Novak isn’t??

Novak win streak: 27, Andy win streak: 15
Novak ranking: #1, Andy ranking #3
H2H:18-8 Novak
Current win streak: 7 straight Novak over Andy (in ALL weather and times of day)
Novak beat Rafa on Chartrier. Andy beat Rafa at Madrid (Rafa’s “worst” clay tourney)
Novak: beginning to win converts as GOAT candidate. Murray: no momentum currently as GOAT candidate.

Look, Murray’s a phenomenal player, and he’s having an amazing season. But everything he’s done, Novak is still ahead of him. The bookmakers do this for a living, and they have Novak a MASSIVE favourite. They have money riding on that. I really wonder, if you called Murray the favourite, would you actually put money on that, with even odds?

Happy for either guy here, but I’m especially happy to see Stan there, as I see him as bringing a better competition to the winner of this match.


Ben Pronin Says:

McEnroe literally never stops talking.


Ben Pronin Says:

TV, I saw Djokovic at -500. I agree he’s the favorite, but that’s ridiculous.


Felipe Says:

Wawrinka has beaten Federer / Djokovic / Murray / Nadal / Berdych / Nishikori in best of 5 sets, and this will be his second slam final in two years. Also, clay gives him more time to prepare and unleash those amazing shots (both wings).
Djokvoc or Murray will have their hands full on Sunday, since Wawrinka know how to win a big one and is not afraid of neither.


Ben Pronin Says:

Just read this: “Murray is +370 which makes him a bigger underdog than Timea Bacsinsky was in her semifinal against Serena Williams yesterday.”

Again, I agree Djokovivc is the favorite but that’s ridiculous.


KatH Says:

Also Jim Courier in Murray v Djokovich – he wasn’t commenting on Jo’s /Stan’s – so much more enjoyable.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Yes Ben, I agree. Murray’s got a good shot. But favourite, as in you’d bet on him with even odds? No way.


Ben Pronin Says:

Man I think this rivalry is better off staying away from clay. They might play the longest points ever.


Felipe Says:

And a Roland Garros win will finally eliminate the “so called” big four…since Stan will also have two slams under his belt (like Murray)…and nobody will dare to expand the category to “big 5″


Ben Pronin Says:

What is Carillo talking about?????


Ben Pronin Says:

Wawrinka, Djokovic, Murray all with at least 1 slam final and at least a semi in the other slam this year. I think we have a new Big 3.


Ben Pronin Says:

Both guys are playing incredibly well. Turning points around, defending well, attacking pretty much as much as the other guy will allow.


Daniel Says:

Not able to see matches today, have a ling conection in Rome.

Saw that Wawa won which is great. Let’s see if he will keep his record in Grand Slam final, so far 1-0 😜

Saw that Djoko had BP at 3-2 but Murray hold.


courbon Says:

Is Novak trying to become a King of Drop Shots, or what?


calmdownplease Says:

Uh oh apparently Novak is gassed
Dont fall for it Andy!


Daniel Says:

Djoko with triple BP at 4-3. Damm have to go and will lose conection.


kriket Says:

And Đoko broke for 5-3, serving for the set.


calmdownplease Says:

Why was Andy distracted this time?

FFS!

And now he’ll give up again lol


kriket Says:

Breaking the opponent’s serve in the crucial game of the set has been the signature Novak’s play forever.
His opponents, I’m sure, are well aware of that yet they don’t seem to be able to do anything about it.
6-3 first set, looked pretty routinely for Novak.


mat4 Says:

Easier to breathe.


courbon Says:

Very tight match-couple of points decided the set.Murray is damn good…


calmdownplease Says:

Lost the set, historically speaking that’s probably that…
Still, I want Andy to dig in and give em hell even if he is going down


courbon Says:

Not easy here Mat-is scorching hot in Gers…


Markus Says:

My wife told me to watch because the game is quite close, all tied. So I reneged and watched. Murray was immediately broken then Djokovic help serve and wins the first set. My seat has not even warmed up yet. Whew! Goodbye! Not watching anymore.


mat4 Says:

I hope Murray will lose tamely, in three short sets.

The key now is for Novak to relax. If he manages it, he will have a good chance.


KatH Says:

Calmdownplease

Even if you “don’t fall for it” – it registers in the brain – is that sufficient or not?


Super Says:

People cheering for ‘Gouga’ (Kuerten) in the stands!

The French crowd is appreciative of past tennis greats. Borg is also in the stands today. It’s a fabulous atmosphere.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

This is GOOD tennis.


courbon Says:

TV-very good indeed.Exchanges are brutal


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Guga is my favourite all time. What style he had. And there was a guy who could switch direction of his groundstrokes. What a loss to tennis, just as he was becoming an all-court threat, declining with his hip issues. Imagine if we could have seen Guga with a couple more French Opens under his belt welcoming young Rafa to clay competition? That would have been something!


Margot Says:

Lol CDP and KatH, I think we might need that storm round about now!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

This is the most exciting tennis I can remember in this match-up.


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic’s defense is other worldly. I wonder if both guys sometimes think to themselves “why can’t he just miss?”


courbon Says:

Tv, and who would tough so? Their matches can be boring and also is clay, but is fantastic tennis


Ben Pronin Says:

Maybe I’m wrong but I do think we see the difference in their clay court prowess here. Djokovic is near Nadal levels at knowing just when to slide whereas Murray, who’s definitely gotten better, still moves around like it’s hard or grass as opposed to clay specifically.


Margot Says:

I agree Ben but it’s not entirely that, also Nole is an impenetrable fortress. Dunno what poor Andy can do. Anyway, whatever he’s doing at the mo it clearly isn’t enough. :(


skeezer Says:

It’s Nole vs Wawrinka.

Nole will get his first FO.


Okiegal Says:

Don’t believe Novak on a point….He missed one awhile ago……according to the replay.


mat4 Says:

The match is not over. Novak hasn’t won the second set yet, and things can change quickly.

So far, the difference is in the second serve and on the FH. But it’s not that much, although Novak won 13 points more.


Margot Says:

Agree Skeeze. Stan didn’t look that good today. Joe kindly gifted him a place in the final. Perhaps Stan shot his bolt against Fed?


Okiegal Says:

I hope Andy wins in 5 long sets, Mat4! :)


Ben Pronin Says:

Margot, yes Djokovic really is. But it has a lot to do with how he’s sliding. Murray tends to run all the way to the other corner and will inevitably have trouble recovering and getting back. But Djokovic has been doing a great job of sliding to the corners. He starts sliding pretty close to the middle too which, I THINK, could conserve energy, too. But it’s easier said than done. Murray’s not gumby like Djokovic so it’s not like saying “Murray go do sliding splits instead” is going to, you know, make him do it.


Eric Says:

The best thing about tennis is that you can two sets and go up a break, thanks to playing just a percent or two better than your opponent. And then they can raise their play to a percent or two beyond you, and steal the win out from under your nose. I very much doubt that will happen here, but we’ve seen weirder things happen.


mat4 Says:

@Okie:

Let’s wait and see. So far, so good for me and my nerves. But, although anything is possible, Novak looks much better now.


calmdownplease Says:

Novak is the undisputed king of slow and medium courts now. But he won’t have it all his own way, things speed up soon.
Andy is quite simply an apprentice on this surface and it might stay like that for the rest of his career..


Margot Says:

@Ben
Yes, I do agree. Andy has much more chance against Nole on grass. Andy moves terrific on the green.
Feel resigned, expected this and so am not too despondent. Andy has defended his points so that’s good.
Love Pollyanna.


Ben Pronin Says:

I think it’s very unfortunate that Murray will not be the second seed at Wimbledon and could possibly land in Djokovic’s half again. I would love to see another final between the two of them there (hopefully Djokovic could at least win a set should it happen).

Speaking of Wimbledon, I want to see Nadal in Murray’s quarter or section or whatever. Djokovic was tormented by Nadal for years at the French and finally got a win. I would like to see Murray get a win over Nadal at Wimbledon after losing to him so many times.

Man oh man. I had a feeling Murray would miss that overhead. I can’t say I like Murray’s body language but you just know he feels the pressure against Djokovic’s defense. Djokovic is just not letting him get away with anything.


S Green Says:

Now I’d like to see Novak winning the illusive title in style without dropping a set.


Emily Says:

I haven’t been watching the match, but Andy and Nole seem more exhausted then Stan and Jo at the end of their 4 hour match. A lot of rallies, as per usual, or is it the heat?


Tennis Vagabond Says:

CDP, I’m not sure that will prove true. Novak is just flat better than he used to be, and that will translate on fast courts. If he used to ONE of the elite, we may find out he is THE elite in 2015. That’s the question of the coming season, I guess.


Eric Says:

I don’t think it’s fair to say Tsonga gifted Stan the match, or that Stan played poorly. Rather, Tsonga played significantly better than Wawrinka overall, but Stan raised his level enough to get the points he really needed. We saw that on BPs and we saw it in the third-set tiebreaker. It’s easy to look at Tsonga losing twelve BPs and say “choker!” but he didn’t play that badly on them, at least in the third set (didn’t see fourth). A bit tamely on a couple, maybe, but not poorly. Sometimes it just happens that the other player lays it all out when they need to. Stan is, I think, a better player than Tsonga, and it was a close match, and I am sad that Jo didn’t win, but I think they both played well.


kriket Says:

Thank you very much Andy. 2-0 Đoković.

Murray looking displeased, talking to himself, blaming the Gods, glancing at his team with the bitter looking face.
This looks easier than I expected. Murray is simply outplayed so far, not seeming to have the answer.

English Eurosport commentators hoping for the storm.


mat4 Says:

Is there anything left? There’s just one player on the court.


Ben Pronin Says:

Wawrinka was up a set and a break. I think you can only really say Tsonga played better in the second set TB and for most of the third set. But the 4th was all Wawrinka again. Yeah Tsonga had a lot of BPs but so did Wawrinka. So “gifted” is a little strong here.


mat4 Says:

Andy looks finally relaxed. Good hold.


calmdownplease Says:

Well TV I am certainly not judging anything on this display
Lets see what happens, and there are still positives to takefrom Andy at this period
Not something i often feel i can say


Eric Says:

To clarify, I did mean in the third set, not the first two.


Emily Says:

@eric, agree. Jo didn’t gift the match to Stan b/c he was never in control. Stan got nervous in the 2nd, but he was clutch in the 3rd set tiebreak and when he had to save break points. He wasn’t playing at his best level, by far, but he was constructing points and kept his UEs down.

Stan usually goes for his winners much more, but he was staying in the rallies and while Tsonga did play well, he lost to the better player.


Ben Pronin Says:

Getting really windy out there.


Ben Pronin Says:

I really do think Djokovic went nuts practicing his overheads after that Miami final because not only has he been hitting them well since then but he looks so confident when he hits them. It used to be “oh shit overhead WHAT SPORT AM I PLAYING AGAIN??”


aku Says:

Noles clay cort game is just on another level right now. Deadly and beautiful….


Eric Says:

Wawrinka actually hit almost exactly the same number of winners per point as he did against Federer: 21% of the points he and Roger played ended with a Stan winner, vs 20% in the match today.


Ben Pronin Says:

Man next time these two play on NBC we gotta set up a drinking game. If you have to take a shot every time Carillo mentions how these two having been playing since they were 12, you might suffer from alcohol poisoning halfway through the second set.


mat4 Says:

Massive hold… a little bit…


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic getting tight.


Ben Pronin Says:

Murray’s waking up, calling it now: he’s taking the third set.


mat4 Says:

Ben, I rather think that Novak will break in the next game, to keep the result uniform.


Margot Says:

Lol Ben, have you started the drinking game already?


Ben Pronin Says:

If Djokovic does win 3, 3, and 3, do we stop criticizing Kokkinakis for not being up to it at a young age?


Ben Pronin Says:

All it takes is a few nerves and a few great shots from Murray and the set is his. Not saying he’s going to dominate or something but edging out the set is well within his grasp.


mat4 Says:

Very ugly…


Ben Pronin Says:

What’s Djokovic upset about?


Giles Says:

Ben. Seems to me like you want to see many things. Geez man you talk as if you are blind and Havnt seen the daylight for decades.


mat4 Says:

A spectator yelled when he was returning. He asked him to stop, in a “polite” manner.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

courbon, totally with you.

CDP, I think its only a matter of time before Murray establishes himself as #2, and stays there, and he’s going to win some of these battles.


Ben Pronin Says:

Giles, seems like you only come out when someone mentions Nadal.


Margot Says:

CDP where are you? At least Andy didn’t go away in this set!
Clutching at straws, lol.


Rishi Says:

Ben, if you are still unable the watch the match, you could try stream2watchdotcom


Ben Pronin Says:

I’m watching on NBC’s stream.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Wow, this is fun tennis!
I’m enjoying this SO much more than I expected!

(Don’t jump down my throat, I know its all subjective, just a personal view)


Rishi Says:

Cool….that was a very good game from Andy. Hope he can keep it up.


Ben Pronin Says:

TV, this has been a really good set of tennis.

Novak needs to relax.


Eric Says:

Djokovic was a little … on that point, but Andy stuck it to him in the end!! PURE GOLD


Rishi Says:

Two PHENOMENAL points from Andy there.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Miracle stuff from Murray. Amazing!


Giles Says:

Just break him Murphy! Come On!!


Eric Says:

Andy’s first break points of the match.


Eric Says:

What an insanely, ridiculously good game from AM!!


Margot Says:

Sensational from Andy. Now just effing hold!
Just lol


mat4 Says:

Novak needs really to focus and to relax.


Eric Says:

Every time Djokovic goes for a drop shot and loses the point, an angel is born


Ben Pronin Says:

I like how Djokovic forgot how to execute.


Ben Pronin Says:

Boom, called it.


Margot Says:

OMG Andy Murray, you beauty.
Don’t think he’ll win but my god that’s a mark of intent.
Doffs her chapeau to Ben.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Eric, that was great.

The commentator had it right: look what superhuman effort and shotmaking it took just to win one set off Djokovic.


mat4 Says:

He hoped Murray will simply surrender. It’s not going happen.


Ben Pronin Says:

What is happening? Where did Djokovic go?


Jeez Says:

Would they reschedule this match tomorrow,if it extends till 8:30 local time as was done in Federer Vs Monfils ???


Margot Says:

@Ben
A very extended toilet break


Giles Says:

Oh dear the bloody drama queen is at it again! Boooooooo joker!! Boooooooo


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I have been so down on this rivalry for years, but if this is the future of tennis for the next two years, bring it on.


Humble Rafa Says:

My good friend and perennial French choker, Cocaine Kisser, is correct. The Egg Lover is a boring player.


mat4 Says:

@Margot:

Shit happens…


Ben Pronin Says:

Everyone’s saying Murray did the same thing to Ferrer.


Margot Says:

Sorry mat but that “extended toilet break” has disrupted Andy’s rhythm, you can see it has. Intended or not, who knows.


Jeez Says:

May be STAN has a chance against Djoker in the Final if he meets him !!!?


Ben Pronin Says:

This match is going 5. See you tomorrow, folks.


Margot Says:

A massive hold for Andy from 0-40. Amazing.


Eric Says:

My oh my.


Eric Says:

“and certainly a different look in Murray’s eyes right now… he is the hunter.”

Tennis commentating or romance novel? You decide!


Eric Says:

Did Murray steal Nole’s hyperbaric chamber or something?


sienna Says:

Murphy is taking te upper hand.

I like him a lot. you can call me mrs bandwagon….

GO MURPHY SET TENNIS UPSIDE DOWN!


Ben Pronin Says:

From 0-40, 8 straight points. Djokovic is reeling. I’m done for the day. I want to enjoy my Friday.


Jeez Says:

Let me guess if this match doesn’t finish in the next 20 minutes,it would be rescheduled tomorrow right???


senthilvel Says:

tomorrow means !!! murray out !! come on murray…


Eric Says:

Oh Andy, you complete moron.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

This match must be toughest on Humble Rafa. He has to retire the Mr. Lady Forehand moniker.


Margot Says:

Oh those effing smashes!


Eric Says:

It wasn’t just the flubbed second overhead, it was the terrible shot selection on the one before–with all the time in the world, and Novak sprinting left, Andy chooses to try to hit it into and past Novak, which of course did not work. Awful point.


Daniel Says:

OMG, wish I could watch this match. Just saw Murray breaks in fourth set. If this RG is for Djoko to win seema ir going to be a battle one.


Eric Says:

Let’s go Andy…


Daniel Says:

And checked again and Djoko broke back and was already 40-15


Eric Says:

Didn’t make the same mistake that time.


Margot Says:

Light fading? officials courtside.


Eric Says:

Bit of H.O.R.S.E. there!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Whoever wins, this is GOOD for tennis.


Ben Pronin Says:

If Djokovic loses it’ll be the greatest collapse of all time. Not sure how that’s good for tennis. But I guess it’s good for Murray.


Margot Says:

Andy losing focus here. Harking back to awful game that cost him lead.


Ben Pronin Says:

How the actual hell are the rallies getting longer after all this time?


Eric Says:

Djokovic won’t lose–he’ll probably win this set–but even if he didn’t it wouldn’t be even remotely “the greatest collapse of all time.” (I’m pretty Roger has at least three or four worse collapses.)


Margot Says:

Rain in 10 minutes. Just hold on Andy!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Its not a collapse at all, Murray is absolutely earning everything he gets.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Davydenko vs Federer, Australian Open- THAT was a collapse!


Eric Says:

This match is amazing. Too bad it looks like they are about to suspend…


Eric Says:

Interesting decision. The commentators are quite surprised that they have ended play for the day without any rain– and it’s not because of the fading lights.


Daniel Says:

Wad the match suspended? It’s stuck at 3-3


andrea Says:

i’m rooting for murray. he’s fighting like a dog against someone who is just a bit better than him.


Margot Says:

Right to stop, tipping down now, but Courier thought A had momentum.
Think this favours Nole. Andy always starts slow.


Emily Says:

I feel like this favors Novak b/c he was getting flustered and can now regroup. Similar to the Monfils/Federer match, sucks that this match was turning into a real story and now it might end w/ a whimper


mat4 Says:

This helps Murray and Wawrinka. Although, you never know, it’s not like Murray is the better player in that fourth set, he had to save 5 BPs so far.

It remains that the FO is, definitely, a second rank GS, the worse there is. No lights, no roofs, part of the court falling when the wind blows…


RZ Says:

Whoever has the better start tomorrow will win set 4. Agree with Margot and Emily that it favors Novak. But will keep my fingers crossed for Andy!


SL Says:

What a time for the match to be suspended. Drat ! But safety first of course.

Unfortunately, Andy tends to start slow while Novak usually starts fast. So, with Novak only needing to win this set, this suspension until tomorrow has not come at a good time for Andy. Too bad, he looked like he was really up for this fight, and Djokovic was rattled for sure.

This match deserves a fifth set.. a true match up between the two best players in the world at the moment.


Eric Says:

I do think Murray was under more pressure at the moment play ended, but I agree that a break favors Djokovic for the reasons Margot and Emily give. Novak usually starts matches extremely well.


Eric Says:

Anyway, great match. Cheers, everyone.


courbon Says:

Mat 4-Agree-RG sucks with organization!


elina Says:

Ridiculous that play didn’t start at 11 AM. This wouldn’t have happened.

Gamesmanship from Novak with the trainer on the court and later the MTO.


Eric Says:

The match resumes at 1 pm Paris time. At least they aren’t playing the women’s final first…


chris ford1 Says:

Maybe the break favors Djokovic.
But having the two resume tomorrow also favors a better rested Wawrinka in the Final no matter who wins this match.


mat4 Says:

@Elina:

How do you know what happened and why he asked for the trainer? And Andy is certainly not a lamb, just ask Haas.


chris ford1 Says:

I just think of the men’s semifinal dogfights and contrast the effort to the “equal pay for equal work” women’s semis.


elina Says:

Unsure mat4. Ask Roddick. Could be SARS. Or bird flu maybe?

First in Australia and now in Paris.


Ben Pronin Says:

This favors Wawrinka more than anyone. Wow. Lucky dog.


django Says:

Murray was the favorite coming in. Unbeaten on clay.


jane Says:

advantage wawrinka. he got federer after fed had to play 2 days in a row, and now he will get the winner of this murray vs novak match in the same condition. ironically if murray manages to stop novak’s bid for a career slam it’s possible he could help wawrinka equal his slam count (with way less titles). of course it’s difficult to say what will happen at this point, but i still think wawrinka will rest easy tonight.


elina Says:

Quick Marian! Boris!

Back to the egg mobile!


Ben Pronin Says:

Django, when did Djokovic lose on clay in 2015?


jane Says:

^ not meaning to say wawrinka couldnt beat novak! he could and he has. he could beat both murray or nole.


elina Says:

Murphy is the new Cilic.


django Says:

he didn’t but murray beat Nadal in Madrid final.


Daniel Says:

I also think it favor Novak, he will start fresh, if henhilds his gane at ease, Andy will feel pressure from the get go because if he drop his firts service game tomorrow Novak could serve for the macth. Novak only needs 3 games now and he will start serving tomorrowandy has to find a way to start strong pressuring from the begining. The dynamica match and he has to start strong.

Of course best scenario for Novak is win as fast as he can so he doesn’t spend to much “mental energy” because he will need all his reserves on Sunday agaisnt Wawa.

If It goes to a fifth things get got tuff for both. But Novak still has an advantage because he obly lost 1 set so far.


mat4 Says:

@elina:

You mean the guy prone to roid rage? The one with the clever look?

And what in Australia? When Andy complained that Novak was tired and had a crisis at the beginning of the fourth set? But, he broke, at that moment. Instead of being happy and keep the break, he wanted somebody to give him the match on a plate.


kriket Says:

elina you’re just making stuff up now. Everyone knows that Novak had an undiscovered allergy to gluten and that’s why he had to forfeit so many times before going gluten free, so how is that relevant?
And what about Australia? Novak shaking his legs and walking slowly on his side and Murray letting that get to him? Please, that’s just poor excuse which got overblown by the british press. Even Mauresmo said that Novak did nothing wrong in that match.

So walking slowly and looking tired is gamesmanship. No, it’s just a poor excuse for the sore loser.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

django, see my post above. All the things Murray had going for him, Novak has, +1.

Andrea, I agree. I have never cheered for Murphy before, but he’s winning me over. Combination of fight and WOW shots.


elina Says:

Did I say that there was anything wrong with gamesmanship? It was smart.

Here is the definition of gamesmanship.

: the practice of winning a game or contest by doing things that seem unfair but that are not actually against the rules

: the clever use of skills or tricks to succeed or do something

So what is wrong with that?

Kudos to Nole.


Eric Says:

Anyone who truly thinks Murray was the favorite doesn’t know sh**.


mat4 Says:

Of course, Novak has an advantage. He leads 2-1 in sets. But he will have to improve his BP conversion. It was 1 for 7 in the fourth. He missed at least twice very easy balls.

While Andy has nothing to lose — there’s so much on the line for Novak, and we can’t know how he will sleep and how he will feel.

The match remains open. If Novak serves well at the beginning, Andy will be under pressure. But Novak will be under pressure for that first game, when he serves at 3-3.

I hope he will be less anxious than he was today, and make a lot of first serves. A fifth set would be a coin toss.


courbon Says:

elina darling, you have been raving about Cilic being new God in tennis, raising the level of the game…. what happened????


kriket Says:

There’s nothing wrong except that it also isn’t unfair. How is looking tired and walking slowly being unfair? Is it really so distracting? Do you have to look cheerful in order for Murray to be happy?


Eric Says:

Surely they are both going to sleep fine after taking some ATP-approved nyquil…

I am sure Djokovic will come out strong tomorrow and win the set. Murray’s only real chance is to hang in for a tiebreaker and summon the magic back. Djokovic would still be the favorite in a fifth set, mat4, just as he was the favorite before the match started.


elina Says:

courbon, you have me confused with someone else here.

kriket, I didn’t say it was unfair. It is smart.

Definite advantage to Nole with the delay. He is a better starter and can catch some eggstra rest.


elina Says:

^^^ correction: extra rest


mat4 Says:

@elina:

What gamesmanship? They behave very similarly on the court, taking their time to serve, swearing when they are nervous, doing everything they have to do to win. They behave just like twins.


django Says:

Yes I just saw your post @11:37. I’m just not sure about Novak being able to win tomorrow.


elina Says:

Taking their time to serve? And yet no warnings from the chair? Can’t be more than 20 seconds then, can it?


ABerg Says:

Djokovic allowed Murray’s toss&catch to get to him at 4-3 in the 3rd.


KatH Says:

No Eric

Every time Djokovic goes for a drop shot and loses the point, it means Andy has responded to the crystal power (which encourages him to do his best).

OK – makes as much sense as some of other comments
(expect abuse but keep it friendly.

More to the point Who Wins Tomorrow?


courbon Says:

eline-I do apologise then.Somebody with similar moniker I guess


kriket Says:

Oh yeah and what about those Andy’s tricks, like his getting ready to throw the ball in the air when serving, and then resumes dribbling, or stops to “clear the line” with his foot. Is he gonna serve already or isn’t he?
That’s unfair.


elina Says:

kriket, you’re kidding me right?

Novak bounces the ball here 29 times. As JJ would say, how many times???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I72qi_tAwL4


Giles Says:

I wonder if joker will be kind enough to lend his EGG to Murphy for a couple of hours or so. Maybe not.


kriket Says:

Yeah he bounces but then he throws it up and serves. Andy on the other hand makes a move as if he’s gonna throw it up but then he just quits to clear the line or to continue bouncing.
He did that several times right before the match was interrupted.


kriket Says:

That moment is serving for the match where the crowd was yelling and cheering and he was waiting for them to stop. I don’t deny that he sometimes bounces excessively, but he’s doing less bouncing than in the past.


Giles Says:

Sooooo, the drama queen takes an MTO but do we know what for? More gamesmanship, more faking, just a bloody cheat is joker.


kriket Says:

P.S. if you take a look at the timer on that video, it takes him 10 seconds to serve after the crowd got silent, so the “29 bounce” headline is deceiving, really. Not the best example.

Sorry for excessive posting, no edit option.


ABerg Says:

Djokovic exploded after the point with two aborted tosses at 4-3 in 3rd. He did not complain about the crowd, as suggested in one of the comments. He complained about Murray ‘tossing five times’.

Good thing he does not have to play Ana Ivanovic.


Okiegal Says:

@Elina……I’m glad you posted this. One time I counted 24 times he bounced the ball at the USO, but that was before the TV crackdown, of course.


elina Says:

But he exceeded the 25 second rule and the rule says nothing about crowd noise or umpire discretion. Many peeps here say a rule is a rule. And on championship point no less.

Surely Murray couldn’t have been that bad. He only had 20 seconds right?


Giles Says:

https://twitter.com/finlaydick/status/606894753716817921
ATP jumping the gun. Says “Djokovic sweeps past Murray to third French Open final”. LMAO.


chris ford1 Says:

One thing overlooked in Djokovic losing some drop shots to Andy is he is working past just that point in play. Part of doing it is to force Andy to get out of his optimum 15 feet behind the baseline, defense zone. Force Andy in, so he is less able to handle Djokovics deep shots as well.


kriket Says:

Aberg, you’re right. I kind of missed that moment, didnt know why he was swearing, but later on I heard him say smth in the lines of “fuck it, is he gonna serve already or what”, in Serbian of course.

So i figured that the previous yelling was about the same thing, which goes to show Andy did it several times on purpose to distract him. But that was not a subtle distraction at all, it was too obvious. That was in the last two Murray’s service games when he was down 15-40 and 0-40.


kriket Says:

elina, he didn’t exceed the rule if you don’t count the crowd yelling and shouting on the match point.

After they settled down he served within 10 seconds. And he can bounce the ball 1000 times as long as it is within the 25 seconds, right? The bouncing from that video took 10 seconds after the yelling stopped, so it’s not a violation is it?


elina Says:

Yes. There is nothing in the rule that allows for crowd noise or umpire discretion even though I believe there should be.


Nikola Says:

So many comments about match who is about to get finished 10 min after 13 PM tomorrow.


django Says:

Wasn’t there someone on here named komsija, Wogboy and mat? :-)


kriket Says:

So, I’ve been watching the AO 2012 finals (the longest Rafole), and counting the times they took.

In the first set, so when they were still fresh, Rafa took anywhere between 31-37 secs to serve, and Novak took anywhere from 21-31 seconds.

I’m yet to get to the fifth set and see how long it took them then :


skeezer Says:

A lot of butt hurt envious rafanatics here whining. Maybe they should “request” a rafa type ump for this match.


mat4 Says:

django:

I assure you that Wog Boy and me are perfectly different persons.

I don’t know who komsija is, although this word has a meaning.


mat4 Says:

There are some stats on tennisabstract. Rafa takes 45.7 sec per points, Murray 43.9, Djokovic 41.9. The points are included, so it is not the time between points. I gave the stats for 2012 somewhere on this blog: Rafa took 52 sec to play a point then, Novak 40.6 sec. Since it is the clay season, both the numbers for Novak and Andy have increased in the last few months.

I guess they are fairly slow, both of them.


mat4 Says:

“Giles Says:

Sooooo, the drama queen takes an MTO…”

——–

The drama queen didn’t play today. He was eliminated by Djokovic two days ago.


kriket Says:

At this point here (4th set tiebreak 1-1), Rafa took 50 seconds between the finish of the point and the moment he served for the next one.

Suffice to say the TV producer has enough time to repeat every last point in slo-mo from all the camera angles beetween two serves :)

The link is for the actual moment in the match.

https://youtu.be/eyc5fIeV8CM?t=14129


Wog Boy Says:

mat4,

django is right, not long ago it was a poster who was writing “nice” about Nole, I can’t remember his/her moniker but we concluded (me and django) that he/she must be “komšija”, you don’t remember now but you agreed with us. I think django is right, “komšija” is back on this thread.


mat4 Says:

Sorry, WB, django, I misunderstood the initial post.

Yes, now not only I remembered your post, then, but I see who it can be.

I’ll send you a mail with a few questions.


elina Says:

You guys! Exactly. Most players often exceed 20 seconds. Thank you!


mat4 Says:

@elina:

I believe you can find the stats for the USO, but, in a way, the stats on tennis abstract can be quite interesting.

Yes, in tense moments all the top players take their time. I agree after a gruelling rally, but not in other cases. I also think that 20 sec is not enough, and that 25 is better.


elina Says:

At five all in the third set Nole took 30 seconds between serve on one’s point and 45 seconds on another. No violation. Curious.

Mew


elina Says:

Agreed mat4. Besides while Nole is truly one of the best ever, he needn’t worry too much about the rule until he threatens a certain slam record.


elina Says:

35 seconds for Murray facing break point 0-1 down in the third.


Wog Boy Says:

mat4,

I will be back in Sydney sunday night, I am not sure if my hotel for tonight has Foxtel or even Wi-Fi:)
I expect all of you Nole fans to cheer loud enough so Nole can hear you in Paris, I’ll do my part from somewhere in middle of the nowhere:)


elina Says:

28 and 32 seconds for Murray serving at 1-2.
28 and 32 seconds in the following Nole service game.

Interesting.


kriket Says:

Talking about taking their time, between his serves Rafa looks as if he’s getting ready to take a shower, casually walking towards the towel, wiping himself thoroughly from head to toe and generally acting like there’s no rush whatsoever. In the meantime we get to watch all their slo-mo faces, motions, random reactions and whatever else because there’s just so much time.

It was just funny to watch that AO12 final :)


django Says:

skeezer@8:24
:-))) funny

Remember Fed will always be the GOAT.

Wogboy have a nice trip.


KatH Says:

Didn’t RF make some kind of complaint in 2013 about time between points – directed mostly at Nadal? I seem to recall there was a tightening up after that…..

Given the conditions at both semi-finals I’ve sympathy for all the players in such difficult weather conditions.


Giles Says:

@kriket. “A d he can bounce the ball 1000 times as long as it is within the 25 seconds, right?”
It’s 20 secs for GS’s and 25 seconds for the rest of the
tourneys or did you not know that?
As for bouncing the ball 1000 times in 25 seconds, WTF?
Did you read your stupid comment before posting?


Giles Says:

http://federerfan07.com/2012/03/08/federer-calls-out-nadal/
KatH. Do you mean this? And then he goes on to say “I’m not complaining a lot .. .” No fed, not much, just enough to make life difficult for your nemesis. Geeeez!


mat4 Says:

@elina:

“Besides while Nole is truly one of the best ever, he needn’t worry too much about the rule until he threatens a certain slam record.”

I don’t really agree with this. I wrote that in 2012, Rafa took 52 sec per point. Here are the stats for 2012 and 2014 (not available any more on TA)

seconds per point

2012

1. Nadal, 50,7;
2. Murray 45,3;
3. Berdych 45,3;
4. Djokovic 45,2;
5. Nishikori 43,7;
6. Cilic 43,7;
7. Ferrer 43,5
8. Wawrinka 41,6
9. Raonic 40,7
10. Federer 39,6

maintenant:
1. Nadal 47.2
2. Murray 45.0
3. Simon 43.1
4. Coric 42.9
5. Ferrer 42.8
6. Berdych 42.5
7. Garcia Lopez 42.4
8. Vesely 42.2
9. Djokovic 42.2
Federer 37.6

While it is evident that certain players play shorter points, I am also suspicious that some of that time is allotted to routines between points.


elina Says:

Mat4 then the rule should be 30 seconds.

It’s either less than 20 seconds or more than 20 seconds. The rule doesn’t distinguish between how much you are over nor consider the duration of the point beforehand.

So many violations hovering around 30 seconds mostly not all by Nole.

But again he needn’t worry.


elina Says:

And there is no way those stats represent average times. There is no way Federer averaged 37-39 seconds between points. These must be maximums ie longest time for a single point throughout the whole year.

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