Nadal Closes In On Federer QF Cincinnati Showdown; Murray v Dimitrov Thursday
by Staff | August 20th, 2015, 2:18 am
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Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal are now just one win from a Friday night Cincinnati showdown. Tonight, Nadal advanced over Canadian Open semifinalist Jeremy Chardy in impressive fashion 6-3, 6-4 in a late night affair that didn’t begin until after 11:30pm!

“[In Montreal last week], in the quarter-finals, I didn’t compete as well as I wanted to,” said Nadal, who was eliminated in straight sets by Kei Nishikori in Canada. “But I am working hard, I had a positive start against [Chardy], a good opponent who won big matches last week and yesterday. Being through is great news for me, and I expect another tough match tomorrow.”

Nadal now takes on countryman Feliciano Lopez. Federer won Wednesday over Roberto Bautista Agut. He’ll face big-serving Kevin Anderson Thursday night.

Just before Nadal wrapped up at 12:45am, Canadian Open champion Andy Murray took out Mardy Fish 6-4, 7-6(1) in what the Scot called a “tricky affair”.

Murray now meets Grigor Dimitrov in a match slated for Court 3.

Fish, a 2-time finalist, was playing his final Cincinnati event.

Earlier, Novak Djokovic shrugged off a Canadian Open runner-up to defeat the unpredictable shotmaker Benoit Paire 7-5, 6-2.

“The instructions I got from my coach was ‘expect the unexpected,’ and that was the case,” said Djokovic. “He hits a lot of dropshots. He’s got a great backhand. He’s got a good serve. You couldn’t really predict what kind of shot comes your way, a slow spin ball or a fast flat one. So I had to stay alert all the time.

“We do see each other and went couple times for practice and recovery in south of France,” added Djokovic. “[Paire] is a really nice guy. He’s also nice to me in terms of practicing my French because he speaks to me in French. He allows me to work on it. Once the match was over there was a lot of smiles and a very respectful handshake. I definitely wish him all the best.”

Tomorrow afternoon, still in search of a first Cincinnati title the Serb takes on David Goffin who he thumped in this round two years ago 6-0, 6-2.

Ivo Karlovic will meet Stan Wawrinka, a 3-set winner today over a much younger Croat, the 18-year-old Borna Coric. And in another good one, Richard Gasquet collides with Marin Cilic.

Seven of the Top 8 seeds are alive in the event including former champions Federer, Murray and Nadal.

THURSDAY CINCINNATI SCHEDULE
ORDER OF PLAY – THURSDAY, 20 AUGUST 2015

CENTER start 11:00 am
WTA – B. Bencic (SUI) vs [7] L. Safarova (CZE)

Not Before 1:00 pm
ATP – [1] N. Djokovic (SRB) vs [13] D. Goffin (BEL)

Not Before 3:00 pm
WTA – [1] S. Williams (USA) vs K. Knapp (ITA)

7:00 pm
ATP-Possible Court Change – [8] R. Nadal (ESP) vs F. Lopez (ESP)
ATP – [15] K. Anderson (RSA) vs [2] R. Federer (SUI)


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303 Comments for Nadal Closes In On Federer QF Cincinnati Showdown; Murray v Dimitrov Thursday

jane Says:

good that they got in all the matches today.


FedExpress Says:

How did nadal play? i suppose he was at his best, no rust whatsoever, chardy pushed him to the limits but nadal was in 2013 mode, fed should retire against anderson to avoid nadal in QF etc


Jock-KatH Says:

I enjoyed the highlights in Djok v Paire — both guys had great attitude – grinning at each other – genuine smiles – looked good.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jock KatH i differ im afraid,although its nice to get on with fellow pros,and im not suggesting all players should go down the Kyrgios root,IMO these lesser up and coming players need to be a bit more ruthless when it comes to the elite players….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Given the way Rafas been playing this year,i think most would give Federer the edge against Nadal should they meet,that said if they do meet then Rafa has played well enough to get that far,so he is probably back to his best??so we could be in for another classic Fedal battle??….


calmdownplease Says:

Fed will win it, if it comes to pass,
and in straights to boot
Sorry GG, but it’s as plain as the nose on your face…


Jock-KatH Says:

GG – That’s OK – what a dull world it would be if we all thought the same – vive la difference! For me the grin on Paire’s face and the big grin back from Djok. really did make me smile – possibly I enjoyed it more as it was in such contrast to the “nastiness” that’s been going on recently.


Gypsy Gal Says:

CDP no need to be sorry,as i say if they meet,i would say Rafas at least played well enough to get that far,and always raises his level against Federer,we will see though,not counting any chickens yet,as he would have to get past Lopez first….


calmdownplease Says:

Its a fast court and Nadal (like Muzz before him)
looks good against the rest and then folds against the best
Fed was still capable of the occasional win against Nadal after all
But now i think its a near definite outcome


elina Says:

Man please.

Nadal continued to struggle to serve out both sets yielding two break points on the first set and double faulting on match point in the second.

More unforced errors than winners against a journeyman.

He won’t get past any top five player like that. Not even Fed who Nadal has beaten the last five times on a hard court.

Nadal will be lucky to get part Feli.


jane Says:

hi gypsy, did you watch paire/djokovic? paire wasn’t a softie in the match at all, ruthlessly going for droppers, etc. nearly won the first set, in fact. it was only near the end of the second set that they exchanged those smiles.

why shouldn’t a match be played in good competitive spirits, i wonder. it can still be highly competitive methinks. a great example is novak vs delpo in the semis of wimbledon 2013, which was the longest men’s semi at sw19 ever, yet they smiled, laughed, and fought hard too. i don’t think the two have to be mutual exclusive.

you think they do, for the younger players? interesting. i am not sure, but as jock says, to each her own. :)


Gypsy Gal Says:

Elina i didnt see the match so i will have to take your word for it,and yes he probably will be lucky to get past Feli in this form,all im saying is if hes winning and thats what surely counts above anything else,and winning ugly,hes navigating his way through the draw and playing well enough to get to Federer in the first place,not saying he will beat Federer either but he does seem to find a different gear when the two meet is all,however we will see….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Hi Jane i didnt see that match either,so again i will have to take your word for it,and im not saying they should be at each others throats,and go down the NK root,i just feel some of these younger players dont actually believe they have a chance against the elite players,and just think hell i will enjoy myself,i find it all a bit irritating if im honest,many of the veterans of the game dont give much away they get on with playing the game,i much prefer that in all honesty,as you say each to there own….


Daniel Says:

Nadal did not win the last 5 on Hard Courts against Federer, he won the last 5, but the second in this streak was Rome. Federer won IW 2012.


Daniel Says:

Wawrinka about to lose first set to Karlovic 1-5 down tiebreak. Also Karlovic had BP in two games so even if Wawa is though, Djoko could do better. He is not in the form of AO or RG this year.


SG1 Says:

Some ‘tweener by Paire! Wow! On the full run…he jumps and ‘tweeners Novak’s drop shot. Tres cool!


FedExpress Says:

tie break between ivo and wawa in 3rd set


Daniel Says:

Goffin is playing really well, they are changing directions at will, a lot of nice winners.

Wawa and Ivo in third set tiebreak.


FedExpress Says:

wawa playing like a man possesed


FedExpress Says:

what a backhan from wawa


FedExpress Says:

ivo is such a serve monster


FedExpress Says:

hoping for pilot interview with wawa and sky.


FedExpress Says:

hahahaha
what a let down

ivo DFs on MP


FedExpress Says:

goffin u choker


FedExpress Says:

robredo is a disgrace. makes fed loss to him at the USO even more embarassing


Daniel Says:

Wawa is through and Djoko breaks to close first set. Seems first blockbuster Quarters is on it’s way, Wawa x Djoko.


FedExpress Says:

hahahahahah

2 DFs from nole. break for goffin. nole smashes his rackets into pieces. hahahahaha


FedExpress Says:

apart from 2011 noles success in the US swing is modest


FedExpress Says:

novak plays lights out at wimbledon but forgets how to play at RG and HC summer swing.


FedExpress Says:

berdych 6-0 3-0 hahahaha


FedExpress Says:

goffins FH reminds me a bit of feds


FedExpress Says:

this is what slowing down the courts over the years does to you. cant win the tournaments on faster surfaces


jane Says:

daniel, not sure. novak not looking so sharp: errors, double faults, poor positioning . he may come through still but i won’t be expecting a blockbuster if he does. he’s just playing bad, and that’s one thing, just hope it’s nothing else.


FedExpress Says:

hahahha. i like this version of nole


FedExpress Says:

double break for goffin


FedExpress Says:

and we were talking that this could be arguably the best season ever. noles play all year has been up and down.


FedExpress Says:

6-2 goffin second set


Gypsy Gal Says:

Robredo taken to the woodshed by Berdych,he will go down as one of those players like Staks,Darcis,Rosol that have one amazing win in their careers,but cant seem to back it up,or sustain any type of run….


Daniel Says:

Goffin closes second set with a double break. Djoko lost his temper an broke racquet when he lost first game second set.

Seems he is mentally spent. Let’s see if he finds his usual gear in third set.

But this reminds me RG final when he lost serve and second set and kind of collapsed.


FedExpress Says:

robredo is way better than staks, darcis, rosol. has a masters title and reached some Qfs in Grand slam unlike the others


Daniel Says:

He is not winning cheap points on his serve as well, who doesn’t look great since Montreal.


RZ Says:

@FedExpress and Gypsy Gal – never underestimate the power of ugly shorts when it comes to winning tennis matches. I’m sure that explains much of Berdych’s beatdown of Robredo.


FedExpress Says:

this match will end like nishi did in rome and wtf last year vs nole. goated the 2nd and couldnt take the BP oppurtunities and lost in the end


FedExpress Says:

hahahaha. what a fail from nole


Daniel Says:

Wow, Goffin on a row. Can he win it?!


FedExpress Says:

clutch smash from goffin. breaks him.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Fedexpress you missed the point….


jane Says:

Rob Koenig ‏@RobKoenigTennis 35s35 seconds ago
4 double faults in that set for ND. His most DF’s in ANY match this year is 5…(3 times)

novak could barely hit a slice in that last game. very difficult to watch.


FedExpress Says:

i like what i am seeing


elina Says:

A fast hard court combined with outdoor conditions continue to challenge Nole.

It’s why he’s never won Cincy and only has one US Open title.

Also why Federer will defend his title there as he did once before in 2010 (something he never did 10 years ago).

Federer has a very good chance and should be considered one of the favourites to win the US Open this year. Not many that can stop him. He would have won last year if Cilic hadn’t played some of the highest level of tennis ever seen in the last three rounds to take the title.


skeezer Says:

Goffin is winning the DTL battle, which I find amazing so far. He is also serving unusually well so far.


FedExpress Says:

what a fearhand that was


FedExpress Says:

decline hehehe. should retire


FedExpress Says:

come on goffin. backhand down the line.


FedExpress Says:

ffs goffin. playing like a goat


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Wow, Goffin is really bringing it today. AMAZING shots, working on a second break! Novak playing well, but far too defensive it seems, I’ve only watched a couple games.
And there’s the second break!


FedExpress Says:

hahahahahahhaha

double break goffin. i cant. double fault


FedExpress Says:

dont choke like watson goffin


FedExpress Says:

turning point?


FedExpress Says:

goffin missing everything now. boah. if he chokes this


Navdeep Says:

Seriously! what’s going on ? Goffin is really taking it to Novak here


Navdeep Says:

Don’t choke now


FedExpress Says:

wtf. now he got injured.


courbon Says:

Novak is shokingly bad…


FedExpress Says:

i miss delpo


FedExpress Says:

key game coming up


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon true,but i think Goffin is chocking a bit so he will probably get away with it,hes missing alot more now….


FedExpress Says:

wtf is goffin doing? story of noles season, opponent choking

0-30


Navdeep Says:

Goffin is giving it away


RZ Says:

No one is expecting Djokovic to go on one of his 6 game runs in the final set?


FedExpress Says:

vuck off goffin. retire


Tennis Vagabond Says:

That break-back point was gorgeous, but what a choke!


FedExpress Says:

disgusting choke


FedExpress Says:

weak era shiit is for real now. two chokes in a row for nole


jane Says:

courbon glad we’re watching the same match, lol.


Daniel Says:

If Goffin had a better serve he could wrap this match after 3-0 and serve. But he was getting 30-30 in several Goffins game.

That 3-0 game was Djoko’s last chance and Goffin didn’t take it.Won;t be surprised if Djoko closes 6-3 third set as he is already 3-3 40-30.


FedExpress Says:

goffin needs a good serve


Navdeep Says:

This match is over.


Okiegal Says:

Some players can’t handle prosperity. Break Novak twice…….and now look!! Am I surprised, NOT!! Number uno for a reason…….


FedExpress Says:

hahaha. number one my foot. relies on chokes like never before


Gypsy Gal Says:

I think thats the difference between the good and the greats,even when not playing their best they still manage to find a way through,a lot of it is between the ears,Goffin suddenly realised who he was playing,and it got inside his head….


FedExpress Says:

dolgopolov, gulbis, anderson, goffin

mental midgets


Ben Pronin Says:

Fedexpress, can you list the matches this year where Djokovic’s opponent lost after choking?

Today is a good example for sure. Remember, choking is when you’re in a winning position and then tighten up and lose.


FedExpress Says:

goffins balls have the size of m&m


FedExpress Says:

what a pusher novak ist


jane Says:

one says how well goffin’s serving, one says he needs a serve.

my take? neither have served that well or consistently this match.


FedExpress Says:

these kids should retire for good


Gypsy Gal Says:

Novak is now showing why hes the number 1….


FedExpress Says:

goffin is just a waste


FedExpress Says:

novak is showing how weak the tour is. nothing more.


FedExpress Says:

hope stan destroys him.

goffins career is done for the next few years


Gypsy Gal Says:

Navdeep lol thanks,its rare people give me the time of day on this forum,let alone agree with me….


Ben Pronin Says:

Dolgopolov, Gulbis, Anderson, Goffin.

Dolgopolov and Gulbis are two of the streakiest players I’ve eve had the pleasure of watching. That they would choke against anyone can’t seriously come as a shock.

Anderson isn’t exactly known for his mental fortitude. A pro’s pro who can never beat Berdych. It can’t be a surprise that he would crack at the sight of the biggest win of his career.

And Goffin is a solid player, almost like a really poor man’s Djokovic. I mean jeez, you really think no one’s ever choked against Federer or Nadal? Lower players are choking all the time. We only see it when they’re playing the top guys, though. This isn’t an era-related thing at all.


jane Says:

ha, ha had to laugh at this tweet. ;)

Tony ‏@tjc05 9m9 minutes ago
Novak and Serena could star in buddy cop drama where they spend 1st 57 min crying/yelling.Then catch lock up and sentence bad guy in last 3


Daniel Says:

Think Wawa x Djoko would be a dog fight as usual, neither are playing great but that doesn’t mean it’s not going to be entertaining.


FedExpress Says:

Before criticising feds game everyone should have a deep look at novaks game and then talk.


RZ Says:

Serena and Novak are the Hulk Hogans of tennis – look like they are getting the crap beaten out of them only to suddenly turn it around and beat the crap out of their opponents.


Navdeep Says:

The good thing is that we got Novak-wawrinka quarterfinal.


jane Says:

wow just saw berdych/robredo score. um, did tommy show up or was tomas that good?!


Navdeep Says:

Now just want a fedal quarterfinal. Let’s hope Lopez or Anderson doesn’t spoil the party.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Navdeep nice stat for Rafa fans,i believe Giles said some months back,hes the only player to have gone unbeaten on clay in one season in 2010,go unbeatean on grass in one season 2008,and go unbeaten on USO HC swing in a season in 2013,but anyway back to the present hope he beats Feli and we get another Fedal match up….


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Agree with Gypsy. Novak didn’t just roll to the finish. He saw that chink in Goffin’s armour and picked his own game up. He rose to the opportunity the choker gave him. What makes a big choke happen? I would submit, that a big choke happens when nerves interrupt a point or two, and the beneficiary makes sure the choker can’t escape. If you choke away a couple points, then get some, you can work through the nerves. But if you choke a few, and then play well and get denied for a couple points, aha! That’s where the choke snowballs.
Novak snowballed Goffins choke.

And we get a great quarterfinal! So stoked for that!


Jock-KatH Says:

Goffin is a decent wee player, but…but…

the only way Goffin would have won is if Nole was seriously worried/distracted about how he was going to pay his rent at the end of the month (or hiding a major health issue).


Gypsy Gal Says:

I dont think he will,but id like Gasquet to take Cilic to the wood shed now,standing on one leg blind folded,on roller skates sliding through treacle if possible….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Tennis Vagabond thats twice in one day thanks lol….


elina Says:

Gulbis choked two match points away against Nole just last week.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jock KatH LOL true,the thing is you see these things coming from a mile away sometimes,something in my mind said he wont win this it will get to him….


courbon Says:

The best thing in Novaks win is that Fed Express is seriously pissed off.And that is good…(-;


Navdeep Says:

Nice stat indeed GG, their is a reason the big 3 are so highly rated.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon lol so true….


Ben Pronin Says:

Fed fans don’t like Nadal and Nadal fans don’t like Fed. Nadal fans don’t like Djokovic and Djokovic fans don’t like Nadal. All 3 fans waiver on Murray depending on how he’s doing against their favorite at the moment. Murray fans also vary between respecting the other players or discrediting them. But Fed fans and Djokovic fans have a common hatred of Nadal so they tend to get along.

And then there’s Fedexpress who hates Djokovic so much it’s kinda weird but so so hilarious.


Okiegal Says:

That ball toss of Knapps is very very high! I think I would lose sight of one like that….but I don’t play tennis either…..lol


Gypsy Gal Says:

Navdeep true,no need IMO to belittle ones achievements in favour of anothers,all these players have achievements that are theirs and theirs alone,so im glad Rafas got this one he he….


Ben Pronin Says:

Waiver is not the right word at all. I think I want to say see-saw?


Skeezer Says:

“Gulbis choked two match points ”
Is that what the stats said?


Okiegal Says:

@Ben…..”But Fed fans and Djokovic have a common hatred of Nadal, so they tend to get along”….You have the nail on the head for once! This is so very true…..


jane Says:

courbon at 3:35, ha ha touche! although i suspect he or she is not the only one. ;)


FedExpress Says:

Yeah i am pissed off of the choking. Meanwhile goffin on twitter:

A big thumbs up to @DjokerNole ! Played his best at the end !

what about ur choke goffin?


Okiegal Says:

To add to my last comment, it didn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out!!


Gypsy Gal Says:

I dont do hatred,i dont even hate people in the real world, these are only men or women whose only crime was to play tennis,have your favorites but respect the rest,its only a game for goodness sake,surely theres enough hatred going on in the world,lets leave it out of sport….


Ben Pronin Says:

Hate, dislike, whatever. The point is, seeing Fedexpress go off on Djokovic so much is as crazy as it is funny.


courbon Says:

Hi Gypsy-People agree with you??? Wow, you better mark this day on the calendar, it is very rare ocassion….


courbon Says:

Hi Jane- I can not watch this ‘Cincy’ Novak-same as yesterday-he is in a bad mood, nervous, easy iritated…I wonder if he is injured or something.
I’m a


Jock-KatH Says:

Know the feeling GG – hoping not to know it so much in the future — and same to you.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Okie true,and lets face it Rafa was never likely to be a Federer fans second favorite,when the W final was on you and i said hope Federer wins as hes historically the best GC player,hell would freeze over before any Federer fan would say that about Rafa at the FO even though he is historically the best CC player,just never in a million years,im sure theres more chance than me and Mr you know who,doing you know what….


courbon Says:

Hi Jane- I can not watch this ‘Cincy’ Novak-same as yesterday-he is in a bad mood, nervous, easy iritated…I wonder if he is injured or something.
I think he will lose tomorrow…my poor daughters are walking on toes because I’m shouting at TV


elina Says:

Not what I said skeezer, you did.

mew


Gypsy Gal Says:

Hi Courbon,yeah they do occasionally,sometimes i might even say something even remotely intelligent or sensible,not really something that resonates with me lol….


Travis Bickle Says:

This poor hater, Fed Express was having quite a comment output when Goffin was leading, around 2 pm today.

And then, Novak shuts him up – the comment output now is down to one per hour – but now he hates Goffin for not defeating Novak.

Don’t let this guy see the replay of Wimbledon final when Federer got a break in the first set and promptly choked and gave it back to Novak and went on to lose the final. Had Fed not choked and given that break back, he would have won the first set and most likely the match and be sitting with 18 GS titles today!!! But shhh don’t let that to Fed Express – he is volatile and fragile when it comes to tennis…


jane Says:

courbon, aww, your daughters. ;) my cats hide under the couch when novak’s playing badly because of my “mood” (i.e., yelling at computer). my husband and son just roll their eyes, ha. but yeah, he’s playing badly.


mat4 Says:

@Okiegal:

Why should we, nolefans, hate Rafa? No, quite the contrary, now that he is a shadowy relic from the past. We prefer to hate Murphy and Stan for a change…

@WB:

He’s never won Cincy for a good reason… It’s very hot and humid here. His serve is subpar, so it makes things more complicated. But he had good draws in Montreal and here, and hopefully will be able to improve his form.

BTW, I was lucky I watched the match from 0-3 in the third. But just like you, I think he will lose against Wawrinka if he doesn’t change anything. Although Wawa could heavily misfire, the way he often does.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Mat4 what if he rediscovers his form then?….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Novak is still behind Federer in career achievements by a country mile MEW,MEW AND MEW AGAIN….


FlyingDoctor Says:

What is wrong with novak? Is he injured or some mental problem? He didn’t find his rhythm before the US open


mat4 Says:

GG:

“what if he rediscovers his form then?”

You can’t be serious…

“Novak is still behind Federer in career achievements by a country mile”

Just like Rafans, we count here on the H2H and the weak era arguments.


courbon Says:

Mat 4, I think your post was directed at me but you call me a Wog Boy-
Now, yes we are both Serbs but while Wog Boy is beer drinking, macho ,rough Australian -I’m sophisticated Bordeaux drinking soul…

Jane: I have to give my daughters €1 for every swear word…In final against Murray, I just gave them €10 each and told them-this is for all swearing you will hear next two hours( now, I do not swear in English or French, so they do not understand Serbian swearings-but they now, it is a swear word ). I probably saved money-if I gave €1 for each swear, I think that match would cost me €200 at least…

@ Gypsy-I always agree with you!!!
and let me answer in mat’s name-We will hate him again!


courbon Says:

Mew, mew ???? In know you Yorkshire people talk funny, but this is beyond any English I know…


Gypsy Gal Says:

Mat4 im not belittling Novak,it was just a timely reminder before certain quarters start doing the same to Roger,yeah im a Rafa fan that defends other players from time to time,as a poster i dont bring up H2Hs or weak era when have i ever?as for Rafa rediscovering his form well life as they say is full of surprises even if it doesnt look likely at the moment,but im a silly little Gypsy Gal that talks nonscence most of the time,but who knew? lol….


Travis Bickle Says:

“but im a silly little Gypsy Gal that talks nonscence most of the time,but who knew?”

You are too harsh on yourself!
You do not talk nonsense most of the time – based on your comments here I’d say you talk nonsense about 40% of the time.


mat4 Says:

@Alison:

You’re too serious from time to time. ;-)


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon just taking a leaf from Elina,its slang for been catty,if i were any less of a lady(ahem)i would have said up yours at the end of that post,but your right we do talk funny ee by gum we do….


Okiegal Says:

@Mat4 4:14…….Lol! I will chuckle at that first paragraph……I know it’s in jest like that comment you made the other day when you were taken as being serious when in fact you weren’t! Please don’t hate, not very becoming on you, my fellow poster….
and don’t get too cocky about your fav, shadows can be right around the corner…….Things can change very quickly in the realm of sports……


Gypsy Gal Says:

Travis Bickle not that i particulaly care to answer your posts as you only ever seem to throw insults,but i will just say this then i wouldnt be the only one then,look in the mirror,or rearange this sentence black,kettle,pot….


Okiegal Says:

@Gypsy Gal…..Oh no, it’s back!!!


Gypsy Gal Says:

Mat4 its the depression talking,im over sensitive at times….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Okie just ignore….


mat4 Says:

@Courbon:

Sorry, Courbon. Just misread the post. I liked Bordeaux myself, although I prefer a good Chateauneuf. Perhaps I could try with a Château Cheval blanc, it should be reasonable despite my heart condition.


Gypsy Gal Says:

If it gets like it did last time i will report it,and im not going to be bullied away this time,i hope Sean and staff are on their guards….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Mat4 i will try to be less serious and senitive from now on ;)….


courbon Says:

mat 4-Rhone wines?.Chateaneuf anytime, good Gingodas or Saint Joseph also…I do not know Chateau Cheval Blanc. I’ll check it out.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Im strictly a cider of vodka drinker….


jane Says:

“Gypsy Gal Says:
Novak is still behind Federer in career achievements by a country mile MEW,MEW AND MEW AGAIN….”

gypsy morphed into elina???


mat4 Says:

@Okiegal:

I know AH, aka GG for years, so, there really can’t be bad blood between us. It was just a bit of teasing.

And about my fav… I am too old to root for a player just for the results, and I know very well that nothing is given.

I liked Connors at his end more than before, when he was winning slams. He played better, and acted better too. I liked his game, his spirit.

Today, I really didn’t care much for the result — I was just happy when Novak started to hit more aggressively, when he unleashed a few shots. I liked Miloslav Mecir despite his results, for his elegance, his two-hander, his wit.

That’s why I hope that Novak will continue to improve his game — not for the results, but to become the kind of complete player I like to watch.

And another word about results and greatness — luck has his word, usually. Both Rafa and Novak were a bit unlucky — playing one against the other, and playing in Roger’s shadow for years. I wonder what would have been JMac’s career had he have to play against Borg until 1985. And how many slams would Connors have won? 5? He couldn’t beat Borg for years.

And when I think about it, the second part of the nineties, after yet another one technological shift, was indeed a weak era — the era of Sampras and Agassi, when all you had to do to win WB was to serve and return, a volley a few times a set.

So, for me, Novak is already an all time great, greater than his results. Certainly, at his best, the most complete player I have ever watched. Who cares about results?


Gypsy Gal Says:

Mat4 i wasnt offended,but your right as i am over sensitive at times….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jane lol yes i did momentarily,it was in retaliation to another poster that p*ssed me off a bit….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Mat4 i dont do GOAT as a rule,as there are too many different caveats to the topic,i prefer to talk all time greats,but for me i would say its Conners if i did,due to his career wins and titles,ha ha i suppose that i do GOAT then,as i just contradicted myself….


mat4 Says:

GG:

We are here for years, and I consider a lot of old posters here as… a special kind of friends. I often check if some of them are here before writing something about Rafa, or Fed, when the likes of Giles or fedexpress get on my nerves, because I don’t want to hurt them too.

And yes, I like to joke “seriously”. Old posters know it, only a few feminists, like Elina, pretend to ignore it, just to be able to forget their misery not to born as a man. It’s not my fault, btw.


mat4 Says:

… not to be born…


jane Says:

courbon, hope novak starts playing better or you’ll go broke. ;)

mat4, loved your post at 5:16 and really agree with your conclusion.


Okiegal Says:

@Mat4……You’ve never heard me say anything negative about Novak’s prowess on the tennis court, or Roger for that matter. They all have given us tennis fans great matches, and I will include Andy too! Oh how I wish DelPo could have stayed healthy! I so remember when he was on a high note the year he won USO……My favorite USO of all time! Now, I loved the two Rafa won, of course, but as a whole, who DelPo had to beat to win it, just outstanding!!


mat4 Says:

I remember vividly the QF at the USO 2012, between Novak and DelPo. Best match of that tournament by far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZa7s0SkaTY


Travis Bickle Says:

Murray knows that he owes Del Potro everything! Both of his GS titles would not have happened had Juan Martin not depleted Novak physically on the way to the finals against Murray.

Same applies to the Olympic gold – except that time Del Potro ‘wasted’ Federer.

Murray should have a shrine in his house dedicated to St. Juan Martin the Savior (of Murray’s career)…


jane Says:

thanks for sharing that mat4. i remember j-mac opined that the one set was the best set he’d watched maybe ever. and the crowd gave a standing-o. delpo is definitely missed. especially when he was not playing novak. ;) j/k.


jane Says:

“A fast hard court combined with outdoor conditions continue to challenge Nole.

It’s why he’s never won Cincy and only has one US Open title.”

hmmm, debatable… he’s been in 5 us open finals and 4 cincy finals. he can’t be doing too badly on fast courts. he’s also won dubai 4 times i think? yes, he’s lost too many us open and cincy finals, but only to the very best opponents: fed, murray and rafa.

as far as outdoor conditions go, novak doesn’t really have that many problems according to the performance zone. he sits just behind nadal and borg, but ahead of everyone else in the open era based on the ATP tracking

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/performance-zone/win-loss-index/career/outdoor/all/


RZ Says:

Cilic lost, which means Rafa is guaranteed a top 8 seed. It also means that Cilic will be a dangerous floater in the draw.


jane Says:

yes that’s true RZ. hadn’t thought of it that way, though cilic hasn’t shown consistently good of form like he did 2014. his performance at the us open last year didn’t come from nowhere, as some people imply. way back at the IW/Miami masters last year, you could see cilic building his game, and he was a real threat by wimbledon.


RZ Says:

@Jane – I’ll be interested to see where Cilic ends up in the draw and how he does. Without seeing the draw, I could see him crashing out in the 2nd round or making a run to the semis.


Daniel Says:

Nadal playing much closer to baseine here in Cincy, sunce return. He knows that in this court he has to be more agressive. Serve still not good, 2 games and 1 DF already but slowly getting better.


Colin Says:

Travis Bickle, it it interesting that you choose to name yourself after a fictional character who is demented. Appropriate, perhaps.

I have a whole collection of nonsensical postings about Andy Murray stored on my computer. I wonder if, in 2013, you were going under a different name. A certain anti-Murray guy posted on 5 July, saying: “Does anybody want to see Mandy torn apart by Nole? Nole is playing the best grass court tennis of his life, even considering the challenge he received from the second best semi-finalist this year”,
No mention then of Nole being tired for the final!

The day before the final, this mental giant continued in the same vein: “No amount of Sean’s curse is going to prevent (Murray) crying like a wimp. He will get one set if Nole takes some pity and throws him a bone. Else, Nole will crush him.”
STILL no mention of tiredness on Nole’s part. That excuse surfaced only after he lost the final.
Ah, the wisdom of hindsight!

Those who made that excuse never explained how Nole had managed to play a marathon semi against Andy in Australia, and then two days later win an even longer final over Nadal.

By the way,it’s also absurd how people banged on about Andy crying, because the trend of crying after losing a final in those days was begun not by him but by the great Federer, after a loss to Rafa in Australia.

Still, keep spouting, if it makes you feel better.


Daniel Says:

Murray down 0-2 to Dimi and Nadal a break up already. Lopez not serving big so this will be fast for Nadal.


chris ford1 Says:

Travis Bickle – Man, I have to say you are absurd, but correct. Each major victory Andy has was in part because Delpo tested Roger and Nole’s limits and strained and tired both out before Andy got to face Nole or Roger.
Yep, a shrine to Delpo in Andy’s home is called for.
Maybe one to the wind gods at the USO, as well.
And a shrine to Rafa being out of action or falling in the 1st Round (2013 Wimbledon) of the three major wins he has had.


Daniel Says:

Lipez breaks back with some nice aproach and volley.


jane Says:

nadal breaks back…


jane Says:

dimitrov’s movement is not great, doesn’t seem that fast and/or light on his feet.


jane Says:

lopez breaks back, lol!


Daniel Says:

Nadal double faultes to lose serve serving for the set. If only Lopez could serve better. But credit to Nadal who is returning better.


jane Says:

andy’s not getting a whiff on dimitrov’s serve so far, which is surprising.


Daniel Says:

Well, Lopez can hold serve, triple set point Nadal. Let’s move on to Murray or Fed’s match because Nadal ain’t losing this one if Lopez can’t serve and einna free point


jane Says:

he held; it’s a miracle!

so will murray finally break back now? dimitrov sometimes has trouble serving out sets. so far he’s been confident on serve but that could change when the pressure is on.


jane Says:

\can lopez hold and force a tiebreak?


jane Says:

20 winners from dimi to 6 from andy in set 1.

lopez broken again! nadal 7-5…


jane Says:

andy broken to start the second set. not playing well, but not digging in like usual either. his first serve isn’t there. grigor is playing well, though, by contrast. it was actually 22 winners to 7 winners in first set. early still, and only one break. things could change.

lopez meanwhile does put pressure on rafa’s serve but can’t seem to hold his own. what happened? i thought lopez usually serves much better, no?


jane Says:

double break for dimi. not andy;s night clearly.


jane Says:

murray got one break back.

José Morgado ‏@josemorgado 19m19 minutes ago
If Murray loses today, Federer would get back to number 2 (and get 2nd seed spot in NY) with a final in Cincy.


Navdeep Says:

lopez is serving well in the 2nd set. he is leading 4-2.


Navdeep Says:

Lopez-nadal match going the distance ?


jane Says:

Luigi Gatto ‏@LuisGatTWI 3m3 minutes ago
Returns made by Nadal today.
Whole match: 67%
On Break points: 36%


Daniel Says:

Dimitrov 2 games away. If Murray loses today and Fed reaches finals he gets back to #2 in time for USO. A lotmat stake for Murray.


jane Says:

okay dimi’s level dropped drastically. lots of errors and some double faults helps andy get 2nd break back. 4 all second set.


Daniel Says:

Today is choke day, Dimi leading 4-1 and serve and now 4-4 Murray serving


jane Says:

yes daniel but murray dug in and dimi blinked. i would be surprised if murray lost now.


FedExpress Says:

Chokers everywhere. Even a double breeak is a burden for the next generation. Disgusting.


FedExpress Says:

3rd set it is. Wow.


Daniel Says:

Murray takes second ser breaker. Think he will take third now.

And Gasquet should not be a problem for him. But he should start winning in two otherwise he may be spent by the time semis or finals comes.


jane Says:

i’m going to guess a bagel or breadstick for dimi in final set?


jane Says:

switched for end of lefty spaniards. grigor has collapsed so andy’s got that.

what’s with lopez’s awful hair, omg!


FedExpress Says:

Lopez is a mental midget

15-15 easiest volley to put away and messed up

if fed cant beat this nadal i would be embarassed.


Patson Says:

FedExpress, given that you are so disgusted by the current crop of players, you must be the greatest player tennis ever had which nobody got to know about.


FedExpress Says:

Yep.glorious tennis career unfortunately cut short by the sheer lack talent


FedExpress Says:

Nadal going for broke


FedExpress Says:

Djokovic nadal murray could have gone all out today
Federer better destroy them.


jane Says:

arrgh now both matches very tense. dimi somehow broke back (didnt see it) and rafa and weirdo-hair-lopes are in 3rd set tiebreak!


Daniel Says:

Drama this night, Murray leading but now Dimi broke back.

Nadal and Lipez in a third set breaker. Feel kind of afraidnfor what is coming for Fed😜


jane Says:

okay, well it looks like the funny hair is working


jane Says:

and once again, no fedal match.


FedExpress Says:

Wtf. Nadal is out. I wanna see fed thrash nadal. First IW now this. In his worst year fed plays nadal 3 times and loses. And in nadals worst year nadal keep avoiding him. H2h is so screwed.


Daniel Says:

Can’t believe Feliciano won. Didn’t saw the end as I was watching a movie but checking scores and posting here.

Now the end of Murray match.

Once again Fed won’t have the chance to play him in this slump. Think the saints of HxH don’t want Fed to get a piece of Nadal as well😜


jane Says:

wow! i didnt realize – is this tweet correct?

Chris Chase ‏@ChrisChaseFTW 3m3 minutes ago
In the last decade, Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer have played three times in America. They won’t make it a fourth after Rafa’s loss 2nite.


jane Says:

fed express you forgot rome too.


FedExpress Says:

This is such a joke . Wait next year. Billions of fedal meetings with fed in his slump. I can smell it


Daniel Says:

Dimi leading 4-2 after Murrray was 2-0.

Dimi had everyrhing to win this match already, this game is crucial


jane Says:

and every time rafa’s lost the match before he’s scheduled to meet fed. how weird sports are.

b.t.w., feli copied andy:

Luigi Gatto ‏@LuisGatTWI 1m1 minute ago
“Marriage works” – Feli Lopez on the Camera.


FedExpress Says:

Cinci 13, miami 04 (not in that decade thoigh) , 05, 11, iw 12, 13


Daniel Says:

Nice rally.


Daniel Says:

30-15 and now 30-40


FedExpress Says:

5-2 dimi. If he cant close it out from here he seriously should consider retirement.


jane Says:

5 straight games for dimi now: broke back, held, broke, held again… 5-2. i am surprised. i thought murray had it when he went up a break in the 3rd. but i switched over to see the end of rafa/lopez.


mat4 Says:

Today, Dimitrov, Goffin showed how close to the top, how talented they are. The margins are slimmer and slimmer for the top dogs.

Can Georgi finish it? A new revolution?


mat4 Says:

Hope he won’t retire, after this ridiculous, superb shot.


jane Says:

grigor about to get broken serving for the match the second time? love-30.


Okiegal Says:

RAFA NADAL GET HITCHED!!!!!!!! Lol


mat4 Says:

Indeed he is a choker. Unbelievable. Two DF, no first serves… It remind me a match against Novak, when he DF three times in the key game.


FedExpress Says:

I am lost for words. What a mental midget. he should retire for th sake of tennis

5-4


jane Says:

oh my… grigor won’t come back from this will he?


mat4 Says:

Beautiful point.


Okiegal Says:

I so wanted to see a Fedal….but not to be! Looks like a Fedpez. That has a nice ring too it….or Fedez?? Which is it???


FedExpress Says:

For a bad volleyer fed makes damn good volleys

3-0


jane Says:

fed’s off to a good start anyhow.


FedExpress Says:

Mp for dimi came and went
murray should buy a lottery ticket


FedExpress Says:

Strong era my foot. Any1 who says otherwise is delusional


mat4 Says:

@Okie:

It’s a Rolo, or a Felifed.


jane Says:

Ricky Dimon ‏@Dimonator 2m2 minutes ago
dreadful tennis, amazing theater. I’ll take that trade every time.

ha, i’m not sure i would. ;)


mat4 Says:

It’s painful to watch how such a good, talented player, is not able to finish a match. He not only made UE in key moments, he even manage to lose a won point by playing a ball that was going out.


Daniel Says:

Murray saving match point and now BP for Murray at 5-5.

Fed cruising


Skeezer Says:

Commersations elina. Lost on atats.


Daniel Says:

Mega choke from Dimitrov, 5-2 and now 5-6 and Murray to serve for the match.


FedExpress Says:

5-0 fed
but haters will still come with some silly excuses

dimi is such a joke. How will he recover from this?


mat4 Says:

Oh, come on, FE, he’s just playing Anderson. It’s not like he’s playing a good player. And, btw, Anderson is known as a choker too.


FedExpress Says:

Wouldnt blame him if be burst into tears in the locker room

one of the worst (best) chokes in the last 5 years.


Okiegal Says:

@Mat4……I like Felifed…..sounds better than what I came up with!!


mat4 Says:

@Daniel:

It’s not that Dimi hasn’t done it before…


FedExpress Says:

See. “He is playing anderson.” Not a good player.

Who was nadal playing?


mat4 Says:

@FE:

You don’t get it. Rafa wants to keep the H2H as it is. That, and a weak era, and he’s the goat.


FedExpress Says:

2-1 fed with a break

gasqet has a chance vs murray but also a known choker.

nole vs berdych
fed vs murray

my tip


FedExpress Says:

Yeah . In his bad years fed never avoided rafa but the latter did in his slump


mat4 Says:

Of course, he does it on purpose. He prefers to lose against Feli — he’s Spaniard, too, and he also roots for the Real Madrid.


FedExpress Says:

Only 3 reporter at rafas presser

6-1 4-1 fed

clearly the fav to win this tourney


Georgy Gal Says:

It is sad to see Rafa in this form. I don’t know whether this is temporary like Fed’s 2013 or a permanent decline. Fed is playing great, wiping the floor with Anderson. Djok and Muzz are still there and we know Fed looks awesome against lesser players. But Fed will definitely be motivated to beat Muzz as the no 2 ranking hangs in the balance.


mat4 Says:

Not certain about it. Gasquet is a bad match-up for him. He beat Fed when he was 17 the first time, and he is in great shape. After that, if he manages by miracle to beat Gasquet, he would have to play a Murray in good form. And in the final, most probably Berdych who plays fantastic tennis and is a bad match-up for Fed.


jane Says:

oh wow, had to run out but looks like fed’s cruising.


mat4 Says:

There’s no way Fed can make the final, and winning the tournament is beyond imagination.

I like him very much, and I try not to miss his matches, since you never know when he will retire. After all, he’s 34.


Daniel Says:

Well that was fast


jane Says:

just saw a clip on twitter and looked like fed was running into returns?! reading the ball like a basketball or what?


FedExpress Says:

Devalue the perfomance of fed as u like mat4. I dont care. That fed is still better at this age than nadal speaks volumes and thats enough for me.


mat4 Says:

What have I said about Anderson, the terror of the tennis courts?


Daniel Says:

Think Fed and Murray will get throught. Murray has too good a return to pressure Gasauet. But the thing is Murray seems tired this week. Maybe by the time he has to play Fed who today looked impressive it won’t be enough. And I think it will be bad for him lose another match to Fed.

But by reahing semis Murray forces Fed to win the title of Fed is to get #2 seed for USO. So Murray will do his share.

Curious to see Berdych in semis, he likes playin on fast courts and if Wawa or Djoko are not sharp he can upset. But him winning a masters final over Murray or Fed I don’t see it happening.

Hope Djoko plays a clean match tomorrow and get RG revenge.


mat4 Says:

@FedExpress

So sorry, FE, but I’ve seen it from you — your comments about a weak era, chokers, and, mostly, anybody but Fed, have inspired my last few posts.

;-)


jane Says:

maybe fed proved his comment from the other day correct? ;)

daniel, i don’t have much hope. i think novak overdid it with doubles as well in canada last week, but who knows. sometimes he goes up a gear, saving best for last, like at wimbledon.


FedExpress Says:

Two players had no business to be in the quarters especially one player but they are there.

Fed all the way.upped his game and movement was like a dream.

he would have crashed nadal tomorrw if it hadnt been for lopez clutch serving. Goffin and dimi shoild take lessons from lopez.


mat4 Says:

@Daniel:

Berdych has good results against both Murray and Federer, so, why not.

His results here looked impressive: 2 and 3 against Bellucci, who last week played so well against Novak, and then 0 and 1 against Robredo…

But he still hasn’t won his QF match, and Dolgo could make a surprise.


FedExpress Says:

So good night. Im off to sleep for two hours.its already 5.12 am here


FedExpress Says:

Why has fed to play again the night session and not wawa nole. All males playing day session only Fedpez at night.


Charlie Says:

Nadal was having a nice rebound in Hamburg and in some matches in Montreal. But his past three matches have been less than impressive. He really needs to fix his mental game. And every week I get closer to saying that he should replace Toni. Just for a little spark or something.


Skeezer Says:

Rafa tied the statistical battle on total points won. But he didn’t win. Stats don’t devulge mental fortitude, do they? Guess the stat thingy is not the tell all of the state of ones game, no?


Daniel Says:

mat4, the problem for Berdych is his poor record in finals. So he may even upset Djoko (hard to see it) or Wawa, but I just can’t see him winning the final.


skeezer Says:

“Nadal Closes In On Federer”
Obviously this needs to be correctly edited. Nadal has no closing abilities as of late. He needs to work on closing in on the qualifiers, wildcards and journeymen first. Maybe then he can earn to face the old man.


Charlie Says:

@Daniel
I agree. He wilts like a flower in finals. It’s very hard to pick him to win any big ones.


Margot Says:

Lol Charlie, “wilts like a flower”…with those tree trunk legs?…..;)


Jock-KatH Says:

It’s my fishman’s fault – he assured me that Murray was back to his potential best – and look at his struggles with Grigor -

here’s a comforting thought: maybe there’s a lingering tiredness from Montreal – also affecting Nole –

Or is it comforting?

I’m not going to buy any more fish!


Gypsy Gal Says:

Here we go again spouting such crap,Andy won a gold medal because Fed was knackered from the Delpo match,same with Andy winning Wimbledon 2013,seriously these people need to get over their favorites losses and admit that the better player simply won on the day,by making excuses your doing both Roger and Novak a diservice….


Margot Says:

@GG
Just clickbait. Best ignored.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Margot true,thank goodness for Colin,he can argue better than i can,and has better put downs….


Felipe Says:

This tournament proves that head to head is crap…by his standars…Federer 2008 and 2013 can be counted as down years, and two of Nadals best. They played 4 times each year, with Nadal dominating 8-0. This year, the worst ever for Nadal..they have played…ZERO times…and 3 times they were 1 match away, Indian Wells (Raonic beats Nadal), Rome (Wawrinka beats Nadal) Cincy (Lopez beats Nadal). Interestingly, on 2013, they faced at Indian Wells, Rome and Cincy, meaning that eventough Federer clearly was having a subpar year, he was still beating people he was suppose to beat and playing Nadal against all odds.
People tend to forget that when Nadal is not firing on all cylinders, Federer tends to routine him (Hamburg 2007 / Master cup 2007 / 2010 and 2011 / Madrid 2009 / Indian Wells 2012), so the chances of 3 tirumphs for Federer this year were very high.
In other subject…Dimitrov is back to his 2012 – 2013 self….which means…leading matches against top palyers only to give them away. At least he can gain some self confidence by the fact that he is improving and that he has the tools to start beating those guys.


Daniel Says:

Felipe,

The only consolation is that they have 50% chance of landing on same group in Round Robin in WTF, if Nadal plays there.

Also they are both schedule for USO, Shangai and Paris.Don’t know if Nadal will play Beijing (which Fed doesn’t) and Basel.

There is a chance thy land on same Quarters in one of those tourneys but Nadal will have to win 2 matches and Fed as well for them to meet. I believe eventually they will meet this year still, hope so.

And I can bet they will be on the same Quarter in USO, NY is desperate to see them play and time is running out.


elina Says:

Felippe, see my post here

http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2015-08-21/20421.php#comment-636573

for the 32 times Roger bowed out before he could have run into Nadal.

Jane, dubai’s low humidity works to Novak’s advantage.

skeezer, I noticed that while criticizing me for cherry picking, you cherry picked a single match stat compared to me listing every single match stat that is available on tennisabstract.com

Interesting.

Remember, Fed’s 52 week match stats are as good or better than the range of numbers he put up during his most successful years from 2003-07.

mew!


skeezer Says:

“Remember, Fed’s 52 week match stats are as good or better than the range of numbers he put up during his most successful years from 2003-07.”
No disagreement there. But stats don’t necessarily prove a players game is better/worse. And cherry picking deflates mathematicals. But then again, you don’t play tennis?


elina Says:

I didn’t say stats necessarily prove a players game is better/worse or that I don’t play tennis, you did.

(mew)


skeezer Says:

Going back to your “you did” defense? lol


Daniel Says:

Djoko won all Slams, Wawa came and end his dreaming 2015. Djoko won all Masters, Wawa came and….

Hope Djoko can win today and, want him in finals to play either Fed or Murray, so we get 2 of top 3 contenders for USO.


elina Says:

oh, skeezer, I can;t take credit for that.

I learned from the TX GOAT. (Well, ex-GOAT anyways.)


Okiegal Says:

What difference does it make whether or not you play tennis when you deliver stats from a tennis website?? Posters put links on here all time, whether correct or not….Oops I forgot, a Rafa fan did this and is taking Federer at his word. Fed fans are calling the GOAT (???) untruthful! Go figure??
Fed knows his game better than anyone on this forum. He is still winning handily. His formidable opponents (Novak, Stan, Murray) are so much better than yesteryear. (Rafa isn’t, however) I will agree, had there been a Fedal, I feel sure Rafa would have lost, but we’ll never know….Should Fed win the whole ball of wax, good on him! I’m pulling for Andy!! C’mon Muzza!!! :)


Daniel Says:

Djoko break after a bunch of Wawa’s errors and will serve for first set. He hasn’t have his serve threaten not even to deuce, so he should close this set with authority.


Daniel Says:

Wawa missing a chance to 30-30, Djoko with 2 set points


Daniel Says:

amazing cross court rally, 40-30 Djoko with 1 set point still.


elina Says:

Okie to be fair I do think that playing tennis gives some insights into the game personally speaking but in the context of your post you are completely correct.

Besides club level tennis on all but an elite level compared to what these guys do is much akin to a little knowledge is a dangerous thing lol.

I certainly in no way think that posts from anyone who’ve never played are somehow less valid. Just another attempt to criticize the poster due to inability to effectively critique the context itself.


Daniel Says:

And he closes first set. Hope he can win fast to improve his confidence for next rounds. Clean perfect set for him, only 7 errors and less winners than Wawa and Djoko winning short points more. On long points they are equal.


Daniel Says:

Wawa missing a won point at 3015 and now 30-30.


Daniel Says:

And Wawa was broken. Djoko is playing solid, not taking tomalley risks and Wawa is missing way too much.

Think Djoko will take this i two. If he keeps serving above 70 % as he is, he takes this.


jalep Says:

Because statistics don’t always tell the truth @ Okiegal.

For instance, I was defending Kei’s use of a patience and mental strength — a recognition on his behalf that a versus bigger stronger opponent such as Berdych or Tsonga he might use the defensive approach and let the giant swing away first set while Kei susses him out.

Stats in deciding sets do support that Kei is right at the top currently in deciding sets – both in 3 and 5 set matches.

But…in terms of where Kei is in his career, his deciding set high percentage can be seen as false high or temorary high %, since he has played less matches due to his age and time on tour. And the sussing out part is only a theory and a theory I put out there from years of watching him…so subjective.

With Borg, he quite tennis at a younger age than many, thus his deciding set percentage benefits from not remaining in the game and accumulating losses, which would of course lower his %.

Always question statistics and look at the methodology. I would trust you more than me in assessing Rafa’s cummulative stats. Observation does count especially in tennis when looking at career stats. Single match, current match stats, it’s easy ….they are pretty much what they are – correct numbers.

Rafa would have won, btw. ;)


jalep Says:

Borg quit tennis, not quite. Uhhhg, falling asleep.


Daniel Says:

Now Djoko is playing as #1 and showing why he reached finals in everything helped since Doha.


Daniel Says:

3-0 Djoko and serve. This is anti climactic.
Wawa was not playing great t all this week but Djoko’s level against coffin made us think he was out of form. Not the case today.


Daniel Says:

After 4-4 is 6-0 Djoko


Okiegal Says:

@Elina…..As I’ve said many times, the tennis players on here have an insight that I could never have. The links aren’t perfect, I’m sure…..but I tend to believe what the links on stats put out there. I remember a few months ago when Vilas had a bone to pick with Wiki regarding Rafa and his titles. Maybe I shouldn’t believe everything I read….but if it’s for the betterment of Rafa I’m sure I’d fall for it hook, line, and sinker!! Lol


jalep Says:

But being an athlete on a high level and playing tennis, such as Kimberly and skeezer does count for understanding, elina.

A couple decades in competition in another sport and maintaining the level, experiencing the problems with consistency and recovery is also some insight.


Daniel Says:

4-1, Only a major choke will change the outcome of this match. Djoko in semis, probably to face Berdych.

Let’s see if Berdych will keep his form against Dolgo.


elina Says:

exactly okie, as I’ve said, more often than not, the cumulative match stats over the long term and even for a single match reflects the story including the intangible, qualitative nuances and so on.

And yes stats in general don’t always tell the truth obviously.

I repeat what I said however that ALL of the cumulative annual match stats on tennisabstract.com simply support Roger’s position that he is a better player today. than he was in his heyday (he’s just not producing the same amount of hey).

As jalep said, “single match, current match stats, it’s easy ….they are pretty much what they are – correct numbers”

It’s a fact!


jalep Says:

Oh elina, let’s go listen to some radiohead and have a glass of wine.

You’re good, have to give you that. But still don’t agree with Federer betterer than 10 years ago.

Winning Cincy won’t ‘prove’ anything to me because it’s possible that sienna is right and to paraphrase her, Federer can win Cin Cin sleapwalking. :D


elina Says:

Baby’s got the bends oh no Jalep!

Sounds good to me. Maybe a bold Californian cab perhaps our an Argentinean malbec.

You’re quite good yourself.


skeezer Says:

Those are facts from stats. Someone posted earlier that in fact some of those stats are incorrect, and your sample size bases a year vs many, in other words cherry picked. Additionally, you are not he holder of all the stats, are you? We all went through this before let’s just say your opinion differs from others who have other “facts” that you can’t scour on the internet. If you don’t think someone that has played Tennis has a distinct advantage about the game in this instance, you are in denial.
Fed said something and you are trying to use some stats to back it up. Fine, goody for you. I am not buying what you’re selling. The guy is older and his movement , recovery time, etc etc etc is not as good as it used to be. No denying this year he is playing excellent Tennis, but he is also playing a lot wiser ( and smarter scheduling that in the past )..


elina Says:

If you say so skeezer.


Skeezer Says:

elina I am a spicy Zin man myself, but have always admired the true Cab snobs :)

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