Federer Masters Isner; Serena v Venus Tonight at US Open
by Staff | September 8th, 2015, 12:13 am
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World No. 2 Simona Halep and former No. 1 and No. 20 seed set up a potential blockbuster match when both won on Monday at the US Open.

Halep fought through a leg injury and cramping to outlast No. 24-seeded German Sabine Lisicki 6-7(6), 7-5, 6-2, while Azarenka put on her hard hat for a routine 6-3, 6-4 win over unseeded American Varvara Lepchenko.

“At the beginning, it was, actually [hurting],” Halep said of her leg which was eventually heavily wrapped during the match. “Then I was cramping my back. Then the leg was worst. I feel it. I feel pain. But tomorrow I have day off so I have time to recover. I hope just to be okay to play another match. I know is going to be tough, but I have nothing to lose. Just going there and enjoying.”

The Romanian is in the last eight at the US Open for the first time. Azarenka says she will be the underdog in the match-up.

“I don’t even know how many times I have played Simona,” she said. “She [has] improved so much since the last time we played. She’s definitely a favorite. She’s been in Top 3 for quite a while, winning big matches. So either way I have to focus on my game and try to be aggressive, to be dominant.”

No. 5 Petra Kvitova and No. 26 Flavia Pennetta set up a meeting when the Italian upset No. 22 Sam Stosur 6-4, 6-4, and Kvitova ended the run of Brit qualifier Johanna Konta 7-5, 6-3.

“I was just waiting for some chance, which came twice. She double fault,” Kvitova said. “So she kind of helped me for making the set in both sets. She served very well, for sure. I think she didn’t really miss that much.”

Pennetta said the match will be an uphill battle.

“[To] play Petra is going to be a big challenge because I never beat her before,” Pennetta said. “Also because she’s one of the best.”

In the final men’s match of the night, No. 2 seed Roger Federer masterfully navigated the big-serving ways of No. 13 seed John Isner 7-6(0), 7-6(6), 7-5.

“John has one of the best serves in the game, especially the pace on his second serve, and you just have to hang around,” Federer said in an on-court interview after the match, speaking to ESPN’s Brad Gilbert who donned a strange home-made white headband in an ‘everyone look at me I’m an entertainer’ moment.

Federer navigated the first-set tiebreak easily, and ended the second-set dogfight tiebreak with a ridiculous screaming backhand down the line from outside the court. Isner challenged the call but to no avail. The Swiss broke Isner at 6-5 in the final set, the first time Isner has been broken at the US Open in 100+ service games stretching back to last year.

“Going up against him in the Round of 16 is not easy,” said Isner. ‘But I have a lot to be proud of, for sure. I would certainly still like to be in the tournament. I really would have liked my chances against some other players out there. But he was too good. That’s what I was up against. There’s nothing you can do about that. It was still a good experience, a lot of fun.”

Federer advanced to a Wednesday night quarterfinal against Richard Gasquet. The Frenchman who made the US Open semifinals a few years ago dropped the first set but recovered to beat Tomas Berdych in four sets 2-6, 6-3, 6-4, 6-1.

“I started badly,” said Gasquet. “I was not feeling confident on the court. He was playing great. I think the second set was really important for my confidence. I started to return better, serve much better than the start of the match. It was a great match for me and a big victory. Of course, I’m a little bit tired now, but in two days I will be fresh, no problem.”

No. 5 seed Stanislas Wawrinka and No. 15 Kevin Anderson set a quarterfinal meeting when the Swiss ended the run of American Donald Young 6-4, 1-6, 6-3, 6-4, and the South African out-served No. 3 seed Andy Murray 7-6(5), 6-3, 6-7(2), 7-6(0).

“Some good moments on the court,” said Wawrinka, who pounded 52 winners and kept the U.S. crowd out of the match for the most part by jumping out to an early lead against Young. “Mentally I was there. It was a good win for me.”

Young had upset Wawrinka four years ago at the US Open.

Young, who has had the physical tools during his career but has struggled mentally, thinks he may have made a breakthrough.

“This was a good step in the right direction for me,” Young said. “I think I’m a little more ready to be a little more consistent. I feel like things are coming around.”

Before Gasquet took the court, Andy Murray and Kevin Anderson played the match of the day. Murray was a 2012 US Open champion and had beaten Anderson in five of six career meetings. But Anderson, who had never beaten a Top 10 player in a Slam nor had ever made a Slam quarterfinal, stormed out to a two set lead.

Murray scrapped back to take the third but couldn’t pull off a second 0-2 comeback falling to the South African

“I was playing against an excellent player. He served extremely well. And I would say, you know, the service game I played at 4-1, I was up 40-Love in the second set, got broken there. Then that was really around the time when I was starting to get the momentum a bit back on my side.

“It was more playing against Kevin on the court of that speed, and with him serving as well as he does, it’s a tricky match. It comes down to a few points in each set. He managed to get them today.”

Anderson had never won a Grand Slam fourth round match was happy to finally break through.

“I felt I played one of the best matches of my career,” said Anderson. “To do it at this stage, at this round, obviously to get through to the quarters the first time in a slam definitely means a lot to me.”

Quarterfinals matches on Tuesday at the US Open are Kristina Mladenovic vs. Roberta Vinci, (19) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga vs. (9) Marin Cilic, and in the titular night matches (1) Serena Williams vs. (23) Venus Williams, and (1) Novak Djokovic vs. (18) Feliciano Lopez.

TUESDAY US OPEN SCHEDULE
Arthur Ashe Stadium 12:00 PM Start
Play Begins at 12:00 Noon
Kristina Mladenovic (FRA) vs. Roberta Vinci (ITA)
Not Before: 1:30 PM
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[19] vs. Marin Cilic (CRO)[9]
Arthur Ashe Stadium 7:00 PM Start
Serena Williams (USA)[1] vs. Venus Williams (USA)[23]
Novak Djokovic (SRB)[1] vs. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[18]


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422 Comments for Federer Masters Isner; Serena v Venus Tonight at US Open

Emily Says:

Thought the Murray upset would be in the headline, considering it was an exciting hard fought 4 hour match, but Federer again


skeezer Says:

Am sure the tv “stats” will show Fed is/was the headliner. Clearly, as usual, spectactular.


Angel Says:

Federer always will be much more exciting and interesting than anything that could happen in the scottish miserable life.


sienna Says:

the Brittain brigade will soon wake up and throw all kind of nonsens unto this board.
whom to tag along? Surely Richard will benefit soms french connection.


Michael Says:

At 5-all in the second set tie breaker, Roger showed to the World as to why he is always a “Genius at work” with those breathtaking shots conjured in the right moments of the match leaving Isner clueless and speechless at the other end of the court struck in amazement at the sheer artistry at work which deceived him and grabbed the match.

Now with Roger meeting Gasquet in the quarters which is always a bad match up for the later, I am quite certain that he is a strong contender for the trophy along with Novak. We may have to ready ourselves for another Novak Vs Roger marquee encounter ?


Okiegal Says:

Novak vs Roger in the finals…..4 tight sets with Novak hoisting the trophy……..


dapris Says:

We are slowly progressing to a djokovic vs federer finale.but we all knew that.The million dollar question had always been “could federer do a 5-setter with djokovic?”Wimbledon showed he couldn’t. Cuz djokovic is taking this us open to make it 10GS.Idemo Nole


sienna Says:

the writing is on the wall or in Michaels comment.

But please dont make fed wins about artistic values.
This has been building from 2013 US open loss and it has been gaining momentum ever since.
The way they are willing to better themself is shear determinatie, grit, power of mind and extreme knowledge selfbelief.


nits Says:

Nishikori Ferrer nadal berdych Murray gone before QF

Messy USO 15


cheat nadal Says:

The tennis fan expects the finals of Roger and Novak


Thangs Says:

If Fed/Nole final , i root for Federer to win ..Nole doesn’t belong to Fedal tier.


dapris Says:

Djokovic demonstrates that hardworking and perseverance actually yields success.a lesser man would have bowed to Fedal dominace and settled for mediocracy.No hating on him Fedal fans.Idemo Nole


Giles Says:

Did not expect Kevin to beat Murphy. There you go, nothing is cast in stone
Commis to Murphy fans. I was expecting him to hoist the trophy this year, not to be.


Tennisfan Says:

Don’t want to jump the gun because last year a Nole/Fed final looked inevitable as well.
On the WTA side, I hope Penetta and Azarenka win. I’m looking forward to the Williams’ match.


Wog Boy Says:

Why do I have a feeling that Rafa fans are going to cheer Roger to win against Nole in any future event? Maybe because they finally realized that Rafa will never catch up with Roger but Nole is catching up with Rafa:)


Wog Boy Says:

Commiserations to Andy fans, yes, Anderson played great, but Andy made mistake Nole was making against Agut, letting oponent dictate and being more aggressive on this fast court with higher bounce. Nole got out of jail by waking up just on time, unfortunately for Andy he didn’t, he stayed to defensive waiting for Anderson to make mistake rather than attacking, this court doesn’t forgive you that, this court rewards attacking game even if you make 40-50 UE.
Congrats Anderson and his fans if there is any, I always liked his attitude and manners, nice bloke.


Alonatp Says:

Am I the only one thinking Fed is really happy he’s facing Gasquet in the quarters instead of Berdych?


Margot Says:

Sometimes you gotta say, “too good.” Well played Kev, showing big improvement in movement and volleying. Do hope he doesn’t have fallout and do a Fab Fog Flop now.
Big warm collective hugs to other Andy fans, Kat, DA, darling CDP ;), RZ, Markus and all. I for one am grateful he’s still playing after a back operation that could’ve ended his carreer.
And a big bouquet of barbed wire to the USOpen schedulers- a nightmare of a scenario: a daytime match on a fast court with no room at the back and sides to even try to return those huge serves and forehands. Did they really want him out of the tournament?


danica Says:

Margot, excellent point re: size of that court.


Margot Says:

Thanks danica. Good to see someone other than an Andyfan agreeing with me. :)


FedExpress Says:

yeah dapris. go and watch some videos of your nole this and then you will see that he is the mediocrity in person.

if it hadnt been the choking of others he would have had less titles and final appearances.

he can challenge novak, no matter what others say.


FedExpress Says:

*this year


Jock-KatH Says:

Yes Emily, the Andy v Kevin match deserved equal mention – at least. Kevin played better than I’ve ever seen him – wonder if he can maintain that level. Hope Stan gets the quarter, nonetheless.

@ Margot – There’s a deeply disturbing bad smell that has landed on this thread – I didn’t have the energy to send out a turd alert, sorri….


calmdownplease Says:

`Big warm collective hugs to other Andy fans, Kat, DA, darling CDP ;), RZ, Markus and all`

Markus is a Muzz fan?!

`I for one am grateful he’s still playing after a back operation that could’ve ended his carreer.`

I’m not.
If this is all he can up with.
Sorry Margot, very tired of all of this now.
There’s always some kind of issue with Andy and the op was 2 years ago yet here we are still referencing it…..

Hugs for you Margot, and the other (much abused) faithful,
Andy, however, gets nothing…..


calmdownplease Says:

In a way I kind of hope Roger gets his 18th here at the grand old tennis age of 34

It shows that maybe (just maybe!) Andy will get his third by then
lol

But actually, I’d prefer if someoene other than Novak or fed got it again, it’s better for tennis in general.
As fed and a lot of his fans are simply dreadful .


Klaas Says:

Djokovic will have an enormous hurdle in the semis: either Stanimal or Cilic.
And calling Djokovic for mediocre is like calling the sun a moon. Show some respect, folks.


brando Says:

Poor, poor result by Andy but to be very honest: he was looking poor all tournament really. His game has been off all Tue way through. Especially his FH which I was shocked to see in 5 sets v mannarino he hit ONLY 5 winners. And in this match really it was pre-Lendl performance: passive, very defensive minded, opponent dictating easily etc. We could praise Anderson easily and he does warrant some praise. He showed Andy that to win big ones: you got to be aggressive. The FH first serve return winner he hit in the tie break was phenomenal. But despite that: this is the kind of match Andy just has to win. Period. Djokovic was rubbish v Anderson at Wimbledon. Really throughout Wimbledon: but he still lifted the trophy. That’s what champions do: they get the job done no matter what. And for me going forward Andy has a huge problem going forward: he’s just too easy to dictate when he’s passive. Federer steamrolled him at Wimbledon, Cincinnati. And now Anderson attacked him hard and he won comfortably. He’s got to realize that against top tier players or players with power, big weapons this defensive, retrieving malarkey will not cut it. At all. He’s got to be offensive no matter what. He’s gone 9 slams without a win now. ONLY one final post Wimbledon 13 win and in that he had a meltdown. Just not good enough. He’s got Australia and then he’s 29. Chances become limited after that age. Federer has only won 1 slam post that age. Ditto Sampras. Rafa 0. The greats struggle to win after that age. And Andy will also IF he continues to play this passive, defensive style since there always is a offensive player who will take advantage of him. And I don’t see him doing it with mauresomo at all. He needs to think like a elite player: he needs to realize post Wimbledon in over 2 years he’s ONLY won 2 master series. That’s just not good enough for a elite player. He needs to look at those who have succeeded in that time: uber consistency Novak, offensive minded Federer, wawrinka, cilic. He needs to look at when he won slams: he was more aggressive. And with mauresomo he just isn’t going to go there. Its all wishy, washy which how Andy seems to want it to be and amelie is comfortable letting him do so. He needs someone in his ear telling him to be aggressive since otherwise he’ll go far due to his athleticism but when he hits the deep end of a event and more is needed: he’ll fall short since there are others more willing, daring to be aggressive and go for the kill.


Klaas Says:

Sorry, that would be Djokovic against Tsonga or Cilic in the semis.


brando Says:

Djokovic is NOT mediocre. What he has to beat is mediocre. Let’s get that straight. He won in Wimbledon and everyone including his fans upto finals day said how average he’s playing and how power puff opponents he’s faced. And then in the final he faced a 34 year old who wilted in front of him on his favourite surface since he knows he cannot hang with Novak physically. How can anyone blame Novak there for the mediocrity of the field? You cannot. Ditto here: its not his fault he’s facing one none top 20 opponent after another. That he could get to the final without facing a single top 16 players. Does Novak look mediocre right now? Well he doesn’t have to look great since he’s facing mediocre opposition. I’m not his fan at all. But for me he’s completely BLAMELESS for the pathetic level of the competition. IF he faces a 34 year old in the final and duly beats him with ease its not his fault that a 119 other players entered the event and a 34 year old was the best challenge he could face. It’s not his fault that nadal has played like a weakling all year. That Andy Murray has found a reason to collapse in all of the slams. That the likes of nishikori, raonic etc have regressed. One thing I really like about Novak is his honesty. Post Cincinnati he said look: I know on paper it seems I’m doing great reaching 2 finals but I’m not happy with my game since its not where I want to be. He was right. He’s playing average for his standard. But the competition is so lame, limp, impotent that he does not need to play his best to beat them. Don’t blame Novak. If you want to blame anyone: blame the clutch of clowns who apparently are his competition. Blame rafa, Andy, kei etc for being so pathetic and letting a player win big without having to play great at all. They deserve blame, not Novak.


calmdownplease Says:

`Federer steamrolled him at Wimbledon..`

To be fair, fed would have steamrolled ANYBODY with that serving performance at Wimbledon (including Novak).

Murray could perhaps come back in 2016 for the slams, his game is almost there.
In the meantime, he needs to rack up a few big wins (Fed, Novak, Stan) in the smaller tournaments for him to be all set.
And hopefully, get DC under his belt too
Yes, that would be rather sweet :)
I mean, it’s clearly upset his schedule so he better go out there and win the damn thing now.
But I for one will be looking VERY hard and very objectively at his behaviour and his performances from now on before I re-renter the fold.


calmdownplease Says:

Cilic will have little but pride to stop Novak and with Muzz’s continual `awolness` (ie the one who should be the true opponent of Djokovic not old fed and the others), he has a clear road ahead to number ten


calmdownplease Says:

Who the f**k said that Novak was mediocre?!
bwahaha, I wonder what THEY are doing that’s so exceptional if they think Novak is `mediocre`.
What he is however is fortunate.
he has no true opposition at the moment.


mat4 Says:

I am a bit surprised by the fact that posters, here, don’t understand yet that an era is over, the era of the tremendous domination of a few players, based not only on their skills, but also on a mental grip they had on the Tour.

We see now that more and more players have started to believe that they can win when facing the top players. The hierarchy has been profoundly shaken — we saw that RBA and Seppi believed their chances against Novak, Murray lost three sets before losing the match against Anderson, and Nadal, despite a good match, lost again Fognini. Gasquet has hardened mentally, Chardy too, and lots of players become very dangerous against top players, when they have less to lose.

This “middle class” of players don’t choke any more.

I don’t know how long the top three (and, for me, it’s still Federer, Djokovic and Nadal) will last. The latest developments in physical preparation show that playing well until 35 is quite possible, and Federer is a Connors’ case — we can’t detect mental fatigue, the most taxing factor when a player is getting older.

So, for me, here and from now, an “outsider” win is not unexpected. Cilic, Tsonga play the best tennis in the first half, Anderson and Federer in the second. I consider all the QF completely open, with Djokovic and Federer with a small margin over Gasquet and F-Lo, although surprises are possible here too. But from now, everybody has a chance.

Just like it was for years, even decades, if you remember well.


calmdownplease Says:

`And with mauresomo he just isn’t going to go there. Its all wishy, washy which how Andy seems to want it to be and amelie is comfortable letting him do so..`

We shouldn’t just go for Amelie
She’s not even here!
(And she might not come back anyway)
And, he was getting more aggressive at points when she was coaching him.
Love the lob game now implemented (it’s a delight and no one touches him with it), and I think Bjorkman needs a bit of time but expect his ROS to have more zing eventually too.
Mmm, Andy is overly thoughtful in his development and approach I think. It’s all very gradual & very thought out but it has probably impacted his success as he always feels the need to apply a certain level of intellectualism to his tennis when just going all out might have proven more effective and provided more dividends.
Well, it worked for Cillic and Wawa!
But I’m still hoping that the intellectual player with the sensitive touch wins the long game…
But I’m far from certain of this, obviously!


calmdownplease Says:

` I consider all the QF completely open, with Djokovic and Federer with a small margin over Gasquet and F-Lo, although surprises are possible here too. But from now, everybody has a chance…`

?
I don’t…..
(But it would be good for tennis naturally)


mat4 Says:

Just to comment Brando’s assessment of the field.

It’s quite easy to write that it is mediocre, but the truth is that, comparing this era with the previous is very, very difficult.

And let’s be honest with the WB finals: one, Federer didn’t serve exceptionally because Novak’s return is exceptional. You can make 50 aces against Roddick, but I think that 29 (Fed number in the 2014 final) is also exceptional, with the pressure Novak puts on the second, and from there on the first serve.

Then, I don’t know what finals you were watching: although the final 2015 wasn’t of the quality of the 2014 — when the first three sets were the best I saw in the last 15 years — it was a good match, and both players played great. Had Federer played that kind of game, at that level, in 2008, he would have easily won. Most of you forget that Fed lost that match probably in Paris and played below his best.


mat4 Says:

CDP:

Tennis, like any other sport, needs great stars. So, an open field generally isn’t good for the sport.

Then, we will see. But look how played the QF and the SF in the last two years.


calmdownplease Says:

`This “middle class” of players don’t choke any more..`

Well, they don’t choke for one tournament but Cilic and Wawa have been choking all over the place otherwise…
But yes, once they smell blood (and their fleeting chance)
They actually show how its done in a way that is perhaps more impressive than any recent big 4 performances…


calmdownplease Says:

`Federer didn’t serve exceptionally because Novak’s return is exceptional`

No, he served better in the semi with a much higher FS %
It was clearly better!
And Novak’s ROS will still have impacted his serving in the final but he did not serve as well either.


calmdownplease Says:

Andy Murray’s ROS is NOT distant second best to Novak’s!


brando Says:

@mat4: sorry pal your a ignoramus with blatant prejudices that produce some idiotic views. Federer was superb. Would beat nadal in 2008 but not mighty, inconquerable, extraordinaire Novak. Ofcourse in the world of the biased muppet who’s just about the most pretentious, obnoxious knob on here. Feigns impartiality but spouts the the most ridiculously prejudiced crap. Sport pal:Save the BS for those who buy into your crap!


roy Says:

I guess Murray is done. On his favourite surface, he just lost to a guy who had never made a GS qf, in 4 sets. He can no longer beat Federer even in the smaller tournaments, despite being under 30 and Fed being 34.
Shouldn’t he retire or something? He’ll clearly never win another slam and stuff.


Wog Boy Says:

When Boris Becker went to studio immediately after Nole winning Wimbledon, Mats Wilander asked him they were scared and what did they think about Roger after SF with Andy, his answer was something like this:

“No we were not scared, Roger played great, but we knew he can play great, but I have seen Andy returning better.”

That was mine opinion too.


brando Says:

It’s obvious what happened at Wimbledon: Federer has little fear, intimidation of Andy’s game and he attacked him with complete freedom and liberty. He went after him. Although superior the return, defensive, retrieving, capacity to extend a point ability between Novak and Andy is not that vast. And many feel Andy is the more naturally gifted on grass so to say he lacks the tools to contend with Federer so significantly is just idiotic. Yet the difference in performance was significant. Why?: Federer was a different Federer in the final. Timid, visibly lacking in belief. It was blatantly clear to see that he did not think he could beat Novak. And that was the key thing: BELIEF. He believed he could beat one guy: attacked him mercilessly. He lacked it v another: seemed timid throughout. We even had Novak fans on here spotting that reality post match. We had the world media even touching upon the difference in federers attitude, body language and mindset. It was 2 different men. A good reference point in AO 14: he defeats Andy Murray. Everyone talks of how brilliant he’s playing under the new tutelage of edberg (he was and is) but what happened next? A straight set set where he was unbelievably timid. Against whom? Nadal. A player more concerned with his blister than Federer. Let’s get it straight: novak is in Federer’s head in best of 5. It’s blatant. And even Novak acknowledges this reality: early this year he publicly stated Federer is still the best in the world skills wise. He’s right. So Novak: if you yourself concede he’s superior skills wise: then why are you beating him on your least favourite surface and federers absolute favourite? PHYSICALITY. You look at what Becker states. What Djokovic states and their tactic b Federer is Crystal clear: extend the point. Make him play one more shot. Even IF you lose the point: the damage is done to Federer since he’ll feel the physical toll of it. There’s nothing there about some marvellous tactic. Nadal v Federer? You can point to nadals high kicking FH. Here there’s nothing: just look at fast HC, best of 3. The surface where physical element is removed or the least relevant. What are the results when these 2 mee Shanghai? Straight set Federer win. Dubai? Straight set Federer win. Cincinnati? Straight Set Federer win. Roger is straight setting him easily without a problem where PHYSICALITY is not an issue. Had Wimbledon: his best, greatest event been a best of 3: hands up how many people here expect a Federer loss? Exactly. Let’s get it straight: the nature of best of 5 opens the door to PHYSICALITY and Becker, Djokovic are intelligent enough to ram home that advantage v Federer. I don’t blame them in the slightest: I would do the same since its the intelligent way to what matters: winning. But let’s call a spade a spade and not extrapolate the obvious into something else. Djokovic is a respect man. He showed respect to rafa at Rolland garros. He calls Federer still the best gamewise today and shows nothing but respect. It’s time-and its ONLY a few- of his fans get their head out off novaks backside and see reality for what it is not what their rose tinted glasses has them seeing it to be.


calmdownplease Says:

@WB

Yeah & Boris (ie Novak’s COACH who has seen Roger live more than any of the rest of us put together by, say abbout 5 times), said he had `NEVER seen Fed play any better` in the Wimbles semi, but he `had definitely seen Andy play better`.
In truth, Andy was simply not allowed to play his tennis enough.When he did, he held his own, winning some of the most interesting games and rallies, but that exquisite serve of fed’s was not having any of it and that was that.
And that is that as far as I’m concerned. No need for controversial revisionism on the matter, lol.


brando Says:

PS: one last point: who would novak and his fans want in the final between Federer and wawrinka? Federer. Easily. But why? Federer is a superior player, talent to wawrinka. He’s the world no. 2 now. He’s in clearly superior form. He even beat Novak in Cincinnati whereas wawrinka lost. He’s the GOAT. Why when logical makes him the worse pick? PHYSICALITY. They know v Roger regardless of what he does prior, in a best of 5 on court many have commented as being slower than years gone by (atleast Andy Murray) he’s got him. Against wawrinka-a younger man- PHYSICALITY is not such a big issue. I don’t blame them. It’s intelligent thinking and I would do exactly the same as a fan. When something works so greatly: why wish for otherwise? You shouldn’t. But with this we should be honest. Not prop up Federer to a level he clearly ain’t NOT because Roger is in the wrong, but it’s wrong to make a mountain out of a molehill. We know how much the physical element plays a part v Roger in a best of 5 or slower surfaces so let’s not conveniently overlook that decisive, most dominant of all factors. You got to be honest no matter what: novak is not mediocre. The field is if anyone. Equally: let’s not call Federer to be at a level he clearly ain’t. I’ve got massive respect for Roger. Peak Federer does not go 1/4 in grand slam finals, 0-2 in Wimbledon finals, and walks around timidly v elite players, speaks nervously about certain players etc. That ain’t peak, prime Roger. It’s a 34 year old man who knows the reality and confines of his age. Peak, prime Roger has ZERO issues with PHYSICALITY and is at his best, most vicious in the slam finals. That Roger is the GOAT. This Roger is a 34 year old man who is doing superbly for his age, BUT his days of winning big are long over. And that is the key thing: WINNING. Roger Federer is a winner. Not a runner up, makeup the numbers player etc. Prime Roger loses a final: it’s a crisis since all Roger does is win. This Roger it’s a celebration if he reaches the final. Look at the truth: 2003-2007 Federer: I’m going for the title period. 2015 Federer post Cincinnati: my aim first and foremost is to make finals since I have not made it in 6 long years. No talking of winning but finals. Huge difference. And we know why. So let’s NOT take advantage of the great man just to prop up the wins of our favourite. Let’s speak honestly and realize reality for what it is.


calmdownplease Says:

^^^^^I’ve never said anything else here
But the Cult of Fed will continue until the day he retires….


Emily Says:

Though I don’t have a dog in this particular discussion, I do agree with Brando in terms of roger’s mental struggles against Novak at the slams. You have to be fearless to beat him and focus on your game, which is how Stan beat him. I will admit my bias in that I don’t want Fed to come out of his half, but I also have no delusions because there is still a lot of tennis to be played.
Commiserations to the Andy fans and I’m really dispointed we didn’t get the Stan/Andy quarterfinal. They only asked Stan about playing Andy is his press conference and I’m nervous because Anderson has given him trouble before.
We’ll just have to see what happens at this point, but last year was a big surprise and it might be no different now. I think that perhaps roger released the SABR too early and Nole is prepared now, but that’s just a guess


Markus Says:

If Federer can still beat Djokovic in a 5 setter, he would have done so already twice, at Wimbledon, his best surface.

@brando: “like” to your posts above and @6:22 and most of those in between.


brando Says:

Cult of Federer? To be fair: there’s a cult of nadal. Cult of Djokovic. And had his success been greater (should be, 2 slams is a joke for his talent. Period) there would be a more visible, sizeable cult of Murray. Any athlete, star in film, music etc who is big and successful= a cult. It gets ridiculous and laughable at times. Fed, rafa and Novak do something that is EASY for them to do, the right thing and its all: oh isn’t he so great? Gosh he’s just like the best thing ever. Like lol: wtf? What is it with this worship? It’s ridiculous and idiotic. Let’s get it straight: these guys have a job at which they are brilliant. And that’s it. They are no better than you and I. No less of a mess than you and I. They breathe the same air, and I hope for their sake use the toilet in the same conventional manner. It’s why I love kyrgios, wawrinka when they fall foul. It’s a timely reminder that: these guys ain’t no saints. No angels. They are just human beings who swing a racquet for our entertainment and amusement. When they mess up its a welcome break from the ridiculous arse kissing on show towards these guys. Let’s keep that in check and perspective. With Federer: he’s doing phenomenal for his age. Breaking into uncharted territory for a player that old. But 2 and 2 does not equate to 7. Just because he’s doing well doe NOT mean he’s as good as his best days. No way. Peak Federer is slam winner. A undisputed, automatic favourite. This guy ain’t either. I mean not to sound harsh on Roger. Nope. He’s faultless. The ones at fault are those who prop him up to higher level when he clearly ain’t operating at that level and its all to suit their agenda. Peak Federer would waltz away with the Wimbledon title and smash this clearly weak field on show. This Federer lost meekly the Wimbledon final and his best chance here is if Novak fumbles again like last year at the Open. Vast difference between the 2. One is a nailed on winner with not even a shred of doubt about it. Other needs a lot of things going his way regardless of how well he may play.


brando Says:

@Emily and Markus: thanks and I love the posts from you guys also. You keep it real always with ease. Props to the pair of you. And I agree Markus: if Federer could still beat Novak he’d do so at Wimbledon where even his nemesis Nadal needs 5 full sets to get a win against. Not on a hardcourt: novaks best surface.


Markus Says:

What I find very disappointing in Andy Murray is that he is every bit as talented as Djokovic, probably even more so, and I think more physically gifted, yet plays in a much less aggressive manner than he is capable of. As Brando (and many others) opined, he allows his opponents to dictate the play, especially at the start of the match and gets himself into a hole which, as in this case with Anderson, often gets too deep to dig himself out of. It’s a pity that it seems to be in his nature. Lendl was able to help out somehow but his nature will always show once that push is no longer there. He should have been battling with Djokovic for titles in a regular basis now that Roger is old (surprise!) and Nadal is in a funk.


calmdownplease Says:

Yes, but there is a certain ..edge of extremism or `passion` if you like to some fed fans fandom that verges on the Islamic, and he’s never done ANYTHING AT ALL to stop that kind of fan.
Far from it in fact!


TL Says:

The wimby sf was one of Fed’s best-ever displays especially with the serve. It just can’t be used as a barometer for what he did before or after that match. A bit of a one-off and similar to the 2011 FO sf. I think Djoko would probably have won that year’s FO had he reached the final. Similarly, Murray looked to be in championship-winning form till he ran into an inspired Fed. I think most Djoko fans were relieved to find that he wasn’t going to play Murray. Murray had 74% first serves in the sf which is positively orgasmic for his fans and his ROS is great too. On the day, Fed was just too good and it is just unrealistic to expect an encore to that kind of exceptional performance. Fed himself seemed a touch surprised that he could produce a performance like that. It’d be misleading to draw any conclusions based on that single performance.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

It will take a week or two, and then this comment board again will be full of people calling Andy Novak’s “true rival” and “true #2″. Just as they’ve been saying for the last year. Evidence doesn’t seem to matter.

Amazing matches last night, Murray WAS too a bit too passive, unfortunately (maybe that’s what happens when Amelie’s NOT there!) But he served well. The difference really was the mental strength on the big points. Andy made some great ones to take the third set, but that was his high point of the match.

Fed-Is… Isner played amazing tennis last night. Fed actually had one of the best returning matches I’ve seen from him, but Isner was typically putting away his service points after an extra shot or two. Even Fed’s great returns weren’t enough to dent those service games. I was nervous Fed was losing form after round 3, especially with his poor serving in Set One, but he looked great last night and I’m excited for his chances.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I will take BOTH sides in the Brando/Mat argument. (but Brando, come on, you don’t need to resort to insults! Its just a game and we’re not even IN it)

Mat4 is correct that for the last few years the aura of invincibility at the top is gone. I think Novak really was the one to break it, by cracking Rafa in 2011. I believe the level of sustained dominance that Rafa and Fed had messed with the tour’s collective heads. Novak hasn’t had the multi-year dominance to earn that kind of fear. And then when Stan won, then Marin, people really believe they can beat the top guys.

But I think brando is correct in that Novak doesn’t have any true all-time great to challenge him in 2015. We can wax poetic all we want about how Fed was playing, but this is not 2007. Mat4 can cite examples in other sports all day, but there is a reason no tennis player in history has peaked at 34. Fed is an exception just to be playing still at an elite level, but to think 34 Fed could compete with 27 Fed in a 5-setter is absurd. Fed is playing better than he has in a few years, but the ONLY people who believe this is Peak Fed are the most committed Novak fans who desperately want to believe that Novak is beating the best Fed has ever offered. (It’s really simple. go to Fed’s wikipedia page and look at his Slam and Masters timelines. Not only is the drop-off from 2009 fairly precipitous, but if you look closely at 2015, you will see quite glaringly that even if Novak were not playing this year, Fed would be performing well below 2004-2009 levels.
If you took Fed’s #1 rival out of 2004-2009, he’d have 2 or 3 CYGS. If you took his #1 rival out of 2015, he would have 1 Slam win, and 2 (so far) missed finals. So, he’s doing amazing, and I’m thrilled, but there’s no comparison with his prime.

And for this talk of Connors-esque longevity… look at Connors timeline. Yes, he still was great in his thirties, and reached a Slam semis in 91, but his last GREAT year was 82, almost ten years earlier. The records don’t lie. Fed lost to SEPPI in a Slam third round. That sums it up.

So there is 2015 Rafa, 2015 Fed, 2015 Andy, 2015 Stan… Not quite the same as Novak’s last Miracle Year. I don’t know how anyone can compare Novak’s competition in 2015 to 2011, when he was beating Rafa who was still at least close to his all time best.


Margot Says:

@CDP
No, I wasn’t making excuses for Andy at all. The reference to his back op was purely for myself, that I’M grateful he’s still playing and I’m not obsessed with him winning more slams either. If he does great, if he doesn’t well, shame but hey, he’s had a bloody good career and some fine wins.
Guess you missed hilarious conversation between RZ and Markus, elsewhere?
@brando
I agree, he’s not looked good this whole tournament and that laboured victory against Mannarino was a bit of a giveaway tbh.
However, I really hope he’s soon done with that damn Davis Cup. He was even talking about it at the Open. Saying that if he lost he’d have more time to prepare for it. Honestly! WTF? Grrr!
Sorry Kat, I feel its just consumed him too much physically and mentally.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I love CDP’s comments about how Fed is to blame for not doing more to jade his impassioned fans. I can just see Fed showing up st Skeeze’s door one night.

“Excuse me, are you Skeeze, formerly known as Skeezer-Weezer?”

“Uhh, yes?”

“Well, stop it. Just cut it out. You’re giving me a bad name, rooting for me all the time, claiming I’m GOAT. It’s like… jihadist, or something. I read that on a blog somewhere. Anyways, gotta run. You know where this MadMax lives?”


Margot Says:

NB
And before we get in a right tizz over Andy’s chances in future slams, let’s remember 6 of the quarter finalists are older than he is.


Tennisfan Says:

@calmdownplease what a ridiculous thing to say. If you’re going to make such statements at least provide evidence. What kind of “Islamic” actions have Federer fans taken? (to use your absurd description).
And I hope you’re not talking about online comments, because maybe you’re naive but this is the internet. You can find crazy fanatics for any famous people as long as you know where to look- and especially for all of the big 4. And I doubt Roger is even aware of how all his fans behave, nor is it fair to put responsibility on him for their actions. If this were ’93 would you be blaming Steffi for not stopping that fanatic from stabbing Monica?


TL Says:

“Yes, but there is a certain ..edge of extremism or `passion` if you like to some fed fans fandom that verges on the Islamic, and he’s never done ANYTHING AT ALL to stop that kind of fan.
Far from it in fact!”

One can say that for some Rafa, Djokovic or Murray fans too and I don’t think these players have done ANYTHING AT ALL to stop that kind of fan. I wonder what they could do to stop it. The kind of hideous extremism I see from Djoko fans these days is very similar to what the Fed or Rafa extremists indulged in when they were winning a lot. I am more wary of fans who pretend to be fair but are, deep inside, the worst extremists one can imagine. In any case, all of us have a dark side and its just that the threshold levels are different for different fans/posters.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

We will see Andy in the final match at a Slam again, and multiple times.

There ain’t exactly anyone nipping at his heels from the ranks of youth.

I don’t know when it will be, but he WILL move to #2, and hold it, eventually.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

BTW, CDP, Fed broke Murray in each set in the Wimby semis, and was constantly in deep in Murras service games.

So apparently he was doing something right other than his serve.


brando Says:

@Markus: spot frigging on ‘re Andy. He should be challenging novak. Andy, of the 2, should be dominating at Wimbledon and USO. Period. At least be there finals day. And yet he’s not. The reservoir of talent is vast. He really lacks for nothing. He’s not rafa where he’s working from a place of minus. Yet his application of his gifts, his strategy is awful. Andy to me is like a nuclear superpower in a war. He’s got the lot to win. But because his strategy is so awful: he ends up losing. He’s not smart enough, clever in between the ears and its infuriating since for me on the grand slams stage i see ZERO reason why Andy should not match/surpass rafa, Novak at Wimbledon and USO. Talent wise he not they is the heir to Federer at those venues. But because they are smarter, significantly better strategists who know what to do, when to do it in a match: they have the better records. It’s true: once Andy was a choker. But barring his random meltdown in Melbourne this year for me- a harsh critic who isn’t shy from lambasting even his fav rafa- mentally he’s been very strong post USO 12. That is not a problem now. It’s just his strategy, tactics are ridiculous. Against Anderson for example, IF Andy was smart he would have thought: right, I am here in New York for the title. That’s my sole goal. Yet I’ve time, energy already versus meager opponents in the humidity. My fuel is low so I got to operate smartly. It’s a MUST now that I attack Anderson, wawrinka from point 1 since it conserves energy for a Federer, Djokovic match. Thankfully: I can do it. Thankfully: it’s also the best way for me to win also. Yet he did not do this. He played passively. Conceded the initiative to a limited player like Anderson to do whatever he likes and really he deservedly lost. THAT is what infuriates me about Andy: he loses matches that he so EASILY could have won for the most naive of reasons. So little is enough to topple him at times.


Markus Says:

I blame my wife for Andy’s loss. I made a pact with RZ that neither of us will watch him play because we thought we discovered the secret to making Andy win. But my wife kept telling me to tune in to the Murray-Anderson match. So what I feared would happen happened. My apologies to RZ.


Margot Says:

@brando
“nuclear super power”…oh how I wish.
But thanks for the laugh anyway.
However, when 137 mph serves and 112 mph forehands are rocketing towards you on a court the size of a postage stamp….perhaps your strategy goes out of the window?


Margot Says:

Sorry Markus but you are ENTIRELY responsible for Andy’s defeat and this, in the honourable tradition of top trolling,….WILL NEVER EVER BE FORGIVEN.
So there. RZ agrees with me btw…;)


Jock-KatH Says:

CDP – Good to hear your views and those of others re. Andy – I haven’t heard what he says re. his defeat to Kevin – whatever it is it will be what he believes he did wrong and/or Kevin did so right.

One thing – I don’t feel abused by Andy’s loss – I felt that while he played OK, he lacked his usual variety – in fact Kevin and He were like clones – similar shots on the whole, albeit Kevin won the percentages.

So I wonder why fans of other players are so quick to write Andy off? He was the 2nd qualifier for WTF after the World No.1 – does it matter that he wasn’t the first qualifier? Of course not – nor will he be disqualified.

Andy has been a top player for years and yet there are “Turds” on this thread pathetically eager to down-grade his consistent success – and it remains consistent even though he sometimes doesn’t reach the heights of which he is capable.

Thanks for listening.
K.


calmdownplease Says:

oooh touchy!
Alright Tennis Vagabond, you are correct. But I said Andy held his own in some of the more interesting games & rallies (including one of the best I’ve ever seen)
Didn’t say he had it all his own way then. But if Fed had NOT served like that, well, let’s put it this way, Novak might have had a harder time getting to his 9th.
But that’s a woulda coulda shoulda kind of statement.
Isn’t it?

`I don’t think these players have done ANYTHING AT ALL to stop that kind of fan.`

Well Fed’s lack of humility (bless at least he’s honest) has got to add fuel to that fire as they are even more vociferous.
But yes only some of Novak’s ethnically motivated fans can match them for fervour.
And I’m not saying all Fed fans. That would be a nonsense.
But I’ve posted with many kinds of Fans and it is it was it is for me.
We Muzzans as has been indicated don’t indulge, were too British. And yes he simply hasn’t been successful enough to attract the international loons to any meaningful number.

Well `Tennisfans` seems to think that anything a Fedfan posts online doesn’t actually count.
Alright then, I’ll just ignore your butt-hurt post, shall I(I know quite a lot of Fed fans in real life I should add, but they are all nice)?


TL Says:

One more thing. I have NEVER perceived mat4 to be a Djoko extremist at all. He is probably the only fair Djokovic fan, apart from maybe jalep or courbon, on this blog and he is more of a tennis fan than a blind devotee of any player. His serious contributions to this blog are immense and I truly respect the fact that he does not seem to have any agenda as such except discussing various aspects of tennis. I often disagree with many of his views but he is also frequently misunderstood. His sense of humor is, well, a touch different. The least he deserves is a bit of respect.

About weak and strong times, all I will say for the time being is that over a long career, a player will go through many such phases when the tour is slightly stronger or weaker. A player does not have any say in this matter. Djoko can’t be expected ALWAYS to go through fire. He has had his fair share of tough times and if he is having a slightly easy time now, he kind of deserves it. Fed and Rafa have had their fair share of easier times too. Djoko deserves more respect than we tend to give him.


TL Says:

Why is my comment “awaiting moderation”? Can we be very specific about what gets moderated here? Exasperating!


calmdownplease Says:

@TV

`It will take a week or two, and then this comment board again will be full of people calling Andy Novak’s “true rival” and “true #2″. Just as they’ve been saying for the last year. Evidence doesn’t seem to matter…`

We’d say it was Fed if he could actually BEAT Novak when it mattered but he just.can’t.do.it.
He can’t do it!
I KNOW if it is a Fed/Novak slam final, short of one of the pylons from the new roof landing on Novak, he (Djokovic) will prevail.
Roger’s best efforts now are as a spoiler that can work (or otherwise) for one player over another.
Unless the court is lightening fast, and then I think Roger is the favourite but, f**k, he will be 35 by the next Cincy with what nearly 1400 tour matches under his belt?

Please!


Margot Says:

@TV
Yes, Fed’s return has undoubtedly improved. Do you remember when Berd beat him at Wimbledon? Fed over and over again just plopped his ROS short in the middle of the court, whereupon it was promptly whacked, as it deserved.
I was pretty gobsmacked at the time and remember thinking, “why does he keep doing that?”
Kat hon, I have put up a lovely GOLD umbrella, come and sit beside me. It is turd proof. :)


Brando Says:

@TV:

Spot on in every regard as per usual Chief and even in saying I shouldn’t be foul. My bad. But you know me: the intensity is strong here that it can boil over into rage at time times. I’ll keep it in check.

- Re CDP’s point:

Agree that the mention of religion, any for that matter, is ridiculous. But ignoring the expression and looking at the point:

CDP is right. Their is a idoltary regard for Federer. Whenever the camera spans into the crowd you sign the most OTT, none Tennis related signs re Fed. It’s just bizarre.

It’s almost like how Elvis Presley has been dead for years and yet people still flock to graceland or whatever it’s called as if it’s a holy pilgrimage. Heck: some even worship Hitler and that’s a fellow who put the green light on a war that left millions dead!

It’s clear that the human being has a inbuilt gene to worship: some choose religions, others idols, others material or whatever have you. It’s there.
But that’s a philosophical point with it’s relation to tennis (and back squarely to to that):

Federer’s blameless in this regard. As i said earlier: the same even happens for Rafa and Nole.

It’s the people, not they to blame if anything. But it’s human nature isn’t it?

Who here does not LOVE hearing a compliment even if it’s underserved or far too generous, even uncalled for?

We all love it. Anyone who say’s otherwise is a liar. So can Federer et al be blamed for having millions who think they are the dog’s bollocks? Put it like this:

Few IF any, would come out and say: stop with the nonsense IF they were in that position. That’s the truth.


calmdownplease Says:

And I do NOT think it’s a given that Andy will lose to Novak (bar maybe the AO)in a slam final now.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Margot, starting with Wimbledon his returns have been much more aggressive this year. I was really amazed what he was doing with Isner’s monsters last night. But credit to Isner, he still held his serve through three sets right up till the last moment, showing that HE is much more than just a server.


Tennisfan Says:

So all I got from that was that you can’t back up your statements and had to admit that another player (Novak) also has extreme fans. Clearly my point was that fanatic internet comments aren’t exclusive to fans of Federer (or tennis for that matter,) which is what your original comment/rant was saying.
But of course, pointing out the flaws in someone’s comments is being butt-hurt. Anyways, feel free to ignore me like you said!


calmdownplease Says:

The Islamic thing was a joke my fellow tennis fans
Good grief, I wasn’t insinuating that Fed fans were potential Jihadis!!!
lol
#Calmdownplease


Emily Says:

I’ve been reading a lot of articles recently about fed fans, especially versus Rafa fans. Though I don’t agree with the somewhat hyperbolic ideas, fed has developed a following unlike any in sport. This aura of perfection I think can be intoxicating for some (more so for the casual fan then the posters here) but Rafa does have a passionate following. I was in Armstrong for rafa’s 2nd round match and the crowd was electric. I can only compare it to the Agassi night matches. I respect the posters here, no matter your fave, but my complaint is the favoritism towards federer and some of these opinion pieces gave different perspectives.


calmdownplease Says:

`turd`
!
This word, with `Porn` are like my least favourite ever..
lol


calmdownplease Says:

@Emily

Yeah, and the venal HATRED from (some) of them for Nadal is a bit much really


dapris Says:

I have great respect for federer.I’ve always had.to be cutting with the top guys at 34 is absolutely incredible. But federer fans must acknowledge that against djokovic in any 5 setter now,federer is a big underdog.taking veven 1 set is a big achievement. Djokovic owns this present period and only injury can stop him.Idemo nole


Emily Says:

And now for something completely different, tomic got the call over kyrgios for DC so nick can work on professional and personal development, whatever that means


Brando Says:

@Margot:

LOL i’m glad I made you chuckle Margot. :-)

In all seriousness:

We are British. We know in 8 years time the bleak days of mediocrity shall return. That time when even Andy’s R16 showing here would be superb for us. So obviously Andy is a treasure, a legend in our land and he’s been a gift. But their will be plenty time to appreciate, laud him in retirement.

Right now he’s on the tour, in his prime and supremely talented: NOTHING short of excellence should be demanded since his talent, work ethic merit such a demand.

Now let’s focus on his performance:

For me Andy Murray is a Boris Becker, John McEnroe, Stefan Edberg etc that level kind of TALENT. Key word there is talent. I consider him immensely gifted where his real drawback like those guys that keeps him from being a Federer, Nadal or Sampras is that he lacks their KILLER INSTINCT, MENTALITY OF A MONSTER mindset.

So for me Andy should have 6 majors in the bank on retirement. He’s too shy to say it, but privately im certain he’s shooting for that since he knows he’s capable of it it.

Hence:

2 years till date for him is grossly underwhelming. This year slam wise has been ridiculously infuriating. Just look at Andy this year: physically as strong as ever. Mentally at his most solid and composed on,off court. His game: he was so solid all the way throughout the year outside slams. Career best consistency. Heck: he was phenomenal even on Clay. And yet:

He registered ZERO SLAM wins. And that’s absolutely infuriating and unacceptable to me. I see ZERO REASON outside FO why he should not win ahead of the rest.

Why not?

Federer? He’s 34, IF you cannot beat him now: when then? Nadal? He’s on a clear downward spiral: he’s not an issue. Wawrinka? He’s flaky: surely you can handle him.

And Novak:

Brilliant as he is. Just break him down as a player: he’s serve is breakable since he ain’t raining down aces and with YOUR return you should break him. He does not bring power to the table. Nor does he have a monster forehand. Nor is he mentally infallible.

As young Kokkanikas post Roland Garros:

Novak does not really beat players since he has a major weapon. He’s not hitting them off the court. It’s his SHEER CONSISTENCY that beats them.

Well Andy:

Can you not live that seeing as you are such a phenomenally well conditioned athlete? IMHO:

He absolutely can. And he has since he won his 2 major finals v Novak Djokovic not anyone else.

So in short:

He has ZERO REASONS not to win Slams when he’s at the zenith of his career as a tennis player. He was ready this year. And then he messed it up. And it’s infuriating to see that reality.


Brando Says:

‘But federer fans must acknowledge that against djokovic in any 5 setter now,federer is a big underdog.taking veven 1 set is a big achievement. Djokovic owns this present period and only injury can stop him’:

Spot on and that’s the truth.

And the tour should be lamented that it’s reality is of such a pitiful low. That 1 player can waltz without challenge to titles even when he’s playing below par, average even since the tours so abject he does not even need to hit his best form.

Novak’s blameless.

The tour has plenty to be ashamed about.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

dapris, I don’t think I’ve seen ANY Fed fans on this site who thing he is a favourite against Novak in any match since 2015.

However, we live in hope! I like his chances BETTER on indoor fast or grass, but I still think Novak will usually win.

On the other hand, Rog has been proving both of us wrong for the last two years winning half their matches – albeit none at Slams!


jalep Says:

Margot, I’m really upset this morning that Andy lost :/ Yes, I know, it’s not the end of the world and this might turn out well for the upcoming Davis Cup and all that, but…

Here I was yesterday all fired up that I was going to beat Daniel in the tennis-x bracket challenge because of course I’d picked the right final, right. Wrong…now my days are numbered.

Meanwhile I’m still on top this morning but I can hear the fat lady singing in the distance.


calmdownplease Says:

It’s not quite a `weak era` yet however
As we have seen, there can be surprises from the underbeings
Just not from Federer
lol


Margot Says:

Lol brando. I’ll admit it now…it is infuriating, nay it is DAMN infuriating!
And next year, lord knows how the baby will impact. Andy is such a sensitive soul he’ll be on the phone day and night to find out how the babe and Kim are doing.
Flying home in the middle of tournaments because the wee one coughed etc etc


Jock-KatH Says:

Calmdownplease it hasn’t been used on You – you can’t save all of mankind, especially the womenkind!!!!

PS: “Porn” could become my second favourite word – I’ll think about it.

@ Margot – Gee, just spotted another “one” coming – I’ll be there under the gold umbrella – soon as…..


Margot Says:

Lol CDP, just sulking cos I didn’t invite YOU under my lovely umbrella? Ha!
See you in a mo. Kat.
Not half as upset as Andy fans, jalep m’dear…and you do have an ulterior motive for being upset…;)
Only joshing, your bracket score rocks!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Ah, CDP, falling back on “at least Murray has a chance against Novak.”

Here are the facts: Neither Andy nor Rog have beaten Novak in a Slam match for TWO YEARS.

Over that time, Murray is 1-8 vs Novak.

Rog is 5-6 (including a withdrawal).

Again, I see no objective reason to say “Murray has a better shot”. If he had such a good shot, he would be better than 1-8.


jalep Says:

Yes, I did believe Andy would beat Federer this time — made the same mistake before, though. Sooner or later it will be the right pick ;)

Andy to the Final at AO. The baby on the way will inspire him. (when is baby due?)


Jock-KatH Says:

Goodness Margot – You just said, roughly what I was going to say to Brando (you obviously are able to penetrate what I’ve got left for a brain).

Anyways – re Brando’s comments (and yours) – Andy has already cancelled his Florida training spot because of the due arrival of the baby. He seems to have a very clear priority – his family -great, but… goodness gracious me, might include non-participation in the AO from his 2016 agenda – although it hasn’t been stated.

He never does things like other people, does he? We shall see, we shall hear eventually.


jane Says:

“We see now that more and more players have started to believe that they can win when facing the top players”

mat4, TV, agree. this is true, and i think wawrinka and cilic’s wins last year inspired the field.

i mean the forehands of fabio and agut (the latter i saw only in highlights) and those returns of anderson! gasquet’s newfound fitness, and tsonga not dropping a set or a serve thus far … it’s just amazing how they ALL believe and fight like they might not have even 2 years ago. it’s great in some ways to see that players throughout have belief, but it definitely marks an ending of an era, slowly but surely.

i also think the new teens/early 20 somethings just coming up are going to be a good generation.

TL, nice post at 9:16.


jane Says:

jalep, i think the due date is in February.


calmdownplease Says:

@TV

As I’m tired of pointing out (but will do so anyway because its the TRUE TRUE),
Andy was recovering from surgery for a large chunk of that 2 year period
No way was he up to speed. Even fed could reverse his H2H against him for the first time ever, and he was older now.
Oh, did I just say Roger was older?
No he is OLD, that’s better.
And that is his excuse (& explanation)
Next year Andy WILL be number 2 and will put on a much better show of it than Roger has for the reason supplied.
As this is not a true rivalry now (Novak/Fed)
Thinking about it, It hasn’t just Novak that has been lucky the last couple of years really, has it?
Muzz’s surgery & Nadal’s collapse provided Roger with his Indian summer.
But it’s all surface despite the improvements to his game when push comes to shove.
If there is a Novak/Fed final, trust me.
Roger will LOSE.


jane Says:

“Don’t want to jump the gun because last year a Nole/Fed final looked inevitable as well.”

yep, we shouldn’t assume. there are still quarterfinal and semifinal matches to play, and everyone will be stepping on the court with the desire to go further.


calmdownplease Says:

`it hasn’t just Novak that has been..`

Oh my
In my defense, I’ll say that I don’t draft these posts as if they were literature…
Obviously!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Yes, CDP, you’ve been promising that young Andy will wipe up Roger “next time, next year” for quite some years now! I expect you’ll be right eventually.


calmdownplease Says:

^^Fed Fans (tsk)!

And I haven’t BEEN here for `quite some years`, I’ll have you know.


jalep Says:

Thanks, jane. Then I take back what I said about Andy to the final at AO. Andy fans are right – can totally see him skipping that entire time if it coincides with baby (do we know the sex yet?)


jalep Says:

Aye – Great post TL @ 9:16am!! mat4 rocks as a tennis fan and Nole fan.

But me? lol, no. Yes I am a Nole Fan – that is, until he wins FO…(just kidding) really, I am mesmerized by his tennis – every bit as much as I once was with Federer’s tennis. However, I’ll likely jump ship for a younger player – only a matter of time. Still love Federer – just don’t need him winning anything more. But have a great appreciation for the tennis clinic he put on display last night about how to beat a Giant-sized serve machine with an improved ground game. That was cool.


Margot Says:

jalep I think it’s the French Open he could miss, so you might…..be OK for AO.


brando Says:

@Margot: don’t worry Margot my dear. I too share your fury. :-) and sadly: I too share your underlying worry ‘re the baby. Pleased Andy made a honest woman of kim, perfect choice for him, wonderful couple and what a blessing that is coming their way (wish all goes well on that front health wise above all else for Kim and child). But I don’t think Andy will be able to handle it. I hope that doesn’t sound awful, certainly not my intention but it was my honest, initial reaction when I saw the projected birth around AO time. Just look at Novak. Mentality wise he’s stronger than Andy. Always has been really. And even said he was understandably sidetracked somewhat about that. His USO series last year was way below his level. So I hope Andy fares better. On the bright side of things: he should be buzzing-hopefully- come Wimbledon, USO series time next year. But the one most want for him is: Australian open. 4 finals 5 set SF loss to Novak= most overdue slam title for a player.


brando Says:

@JKH: wow, did not know that ‘re training block in Florida. Wonder what that would mean for Andy and AO: on one hand I just cannot see him skipping AO. But on the other: if he rules out Florida training camp which is basis of which he gets ready for AO and baby is due in February: how much focus, effort is he really placing to be 110% ready for AO? That is a seriously, seriously tough call. IF it was FO: he’s withdrawing. Easy decision. But AO is one he can win, desperately wants and really how many chances does a player have: he’ll be age 29,30,31 in future viable chances at win. IF I were in his camp: I would say play. Be positive. Know wife is fine. And how about being there at birth of child in February, clutching grand slam no.3 won in January. That sounds soo sweet! Hope he plays, can understand completely iF he skips it but: he would be a huge, huge miss. It’s always crap when big players go missing. Even the haters of his missed a absent rafa when he was gone, lol!


Viki Says:

Thanks to all,
After a long time good discussion.

I want to write down my thinking regarding top 4 also.

Djokovic:
He deserves all these slams. Even people say this era is weak, but who bring this era, he only. He won half his slams by beating Nadal at his prime. if he is not there, Nadal would have 20 slams now and not facing these confidence issues or May be taking a respectful retirement with highest number of slams at age of 29.
I also give some credit to Djoko for Andy two slams also because Andy has confidence and game to beat Djoko but not Fedal.


jane Says:

jalep i don’t know about the sex, but i thought i read something intimating that the baby would be judy’s namesake, or similar?

margot did you hear anything about that?


skeezer Says:

Going out on a limb here and say that Nole may NOT wind up in the final. Cilic/Tsonga have been playing real tough, and if they are not exhausted beating each other up from todays match they will be very formidable opponent for Nole in the Semi( and oh btw Nole will get past F-lo. Once he gets by reading F-lo’s serve, he will expose his BH and breeze.)


Markus Says:

A child is worth so much more than a majors trophy so that’s my most ardent wish for Andy right now: a safe pregnancy and delivery for Kim and a healthy baby for them. If he wins the Australian along the way, so be it. :-)


skeezer Says:

^Kudos Markus that was nice ;)


Jock-KatH Says:

Emily – Tomic got the DC call over Nick – did you gather whether or not Nick would be there as well?
Before his Stan episode, Nick & 4K’s were supposedly playing the doubles at Glasgow?


Margot Says:

@jane
Have heard no gossip whatsoever about that, but does sound rather unlikely, tho I do like Jude as a boy’s name….Will let you know when Andy consults me….;)
@brando
Skipping Miami to spend Christmas with Kim, then going early to acclimatise to Oz and playing Hopman Cup instead of what he did last year, which he has said was a mistake, given totally different weather conditions.
Seems to me then, that the baby is due late Feb rather than early.


Viki Says:

Federer

In My Book, he is the GOAT. He is the reason Novak and Nadal able to become such a great player. If he does not set the standard so high all the top 10 players entering the tournament will have the chance to win it. But now only those players can win it which shown passion to break that ceiling. Nadal and Djoko enjoy the hard work they put to break that ceiling.

One regret regarding Roger, he does not make racket change or other changes in his game during his youth. Otherwise, his stats will be more prolific.

At present, he can beat Djokovic but there are many ifs for that to happen. For that his service and backhand should be on. At Wimbledon, Djokovic played 60 percent ball back to Federer back hand and Murray only 30 percent. Problem is that Federer is not offensive from back hand like wawa and as match goes, more and more errors start coming from his back hand. Now also even at this stage of his career if he can improve his back hand (wawa shown the way). He can win next year Wimbledon.


Viki Says:

Nadal

He is the greatest fighter and problem solver of all time.
If he shows one more time those fighting spirit, just for only one more year. It will be the greatest come back of all time. He can do it, he is 29 and can produce his tennis for one more year. If it happens, He will be the GOAT. Nobody will have any argument to deny it.


Viki Says:

Andy Murray

At present, He and wawa only look to beat Djoko. Now he should raise his game. Should work on his second serve and offensive play. Because i think, these two things are easy to achieve.
Also i feel he was little bit unlucky at Wimbledon. But if this is weak era, he can become the best beneficiary of it.


jalep Says:

Confused. Margot. Baby due late February and AO 16 is earlier this coming year than last.

Why would Andy skip FO? (you were pulling my leg for some reason)


Daniel Says:

Any player dominate when the other are fading. I said this manumits before.

If we look at Nadal’s 2010 year who have he beat? Soderling in hi second Slam final with no title in RG, than Berdych first Slam final and only till today and Than Novak in NY in his third Slam final with 1 title. Hardly any stellar competition by them. Fed was declining big after his amazing 2009-AO 2010. Murray was nowhere to be seen, Djoko was not even half the player he is today and Nadal took advantage of it. Even if we compared todays field with 201, today’s sis still better and ore competitive, Murray reaches 1 Slams final and 22 semis, Wawa won a title and reached 2 quarters and can go deeper. Fed reaches a finals and can reaches semis or another final. Djoko 3 finals, at least the top guys are delivering. Back in 2010 no one was except Nadal. 2011 Djoko dominated and in 2015 he is doing the same. Of course his 2011 run was more prestigious because him and Nadal were battling it out and Nadal was on top form.

So anyway we spin it, there is always gaps when 1 player is dominating. Not their faults.


calmdownplease Says:

I’ve actually heard that Kim is simply GARGANTUAN at this stage of the pregnancy & that they are expecting triplets!!!!!
And this is without the aid of test tubes and such apparatus
ahem…..


calmdownplease Says:

`So anyway we spin it, there is always gaps when 1 player is dominating. Not their faults..`

Possibly and probably a very good point….


Margot Says:

jalep wasn’t pulling your leg, something Andy said somewhere. Dunno when babe is due tbh but definitely AO is being prepared for.


Margot Says:

Yeah CDP I saw Kim at USOpen and she could hardly fit in the pkaters’ box…..not.


Markus Says:

Triplets! That beats Federer’s 2 failed attempts. He can only come up with twins.


Margot Says:

AAAAHHH: erratum: “players’ box” even. WTH?


jane Says:

nice post daniel; seems very true and objective.


jalep Says:

Why, then, would he skip FO, Margot?
ah…Win Wimbledon? Olympics…maybe.
That makes some sense -


calmdownplease Says:

A `pkaters box` sounds like something Mirka would buy in the bleachers…
Covered in cream or nutmeg or something like that.
Oh come off it Margot should looked like a blue whale!

:)


calmdownplease Says:

she looked..

I think that `erratum` leaped from your post onto mine!

Naughty!


calmdownplease Says:

`manumits`
Actually it may have originated in Daniel’s post!


jalep Says:

cdp on a roll…hehe


jalep Says:

manumits = many times


Wog Boy Says:

CDP,

It wasn’t revisionism, you can hear youreslf what Boris Becker had to say about Roger and Andy and their SF starting from 2:00 and I have to repeat, I fully agree with Boris Becker assessment of that SF, particulary when he said “you don’t win GS in SF”, check his interview:

http://youtu.be/zAeO-5XKtkY


Ben Pronin Says:

So much garbage here. Brando should just write a book on how horrible Djokovic is.

There is a hilarious misconception about Murray that continues to plague this forum and results in all this drivel about how Murray should be winning more and challenging Djokovic and he’s more talented and so much hog wash. Murray is 28 years old. Has it ever occurred to anyone that Murray isn’t as good as he was proclaimed to be? That he’s not as great of a player as the big 3? That he’s not in the same league as Djokovic?

Nope. Let’s just hate on Djokovic and whine about Murray not playing up to his mythical potential.

The field isn’t good enough? Kevin Anderson showed how much the field has progressed last night. Controlled aggression continues to be the direction the tour is headed in. 2 or 3 years ago Anderson would have lost against Murray and his have would’ve appeared as a go for broke style. But it’s not the case anymore. The field is stronger and more consistent now. It’s not just the locker room fear that’s falling away. Just look at this event. The 2 more defensive guys lost to attacking players, Murray and Nadal. Federer hasn’t dropped a set. Wawrinka and Djokovic only dropped 1. And Djokovic has been lucky because he’s been a bit too passive too. But he still takes more action than the other 2 guys who like to stand 12 feet behind the baseline.

Margot you mentioned Murray struggled in Armstrong because it isn’t as big as Ashe for Murray to defend. I completely agree. But don’t you think Murray deserves more criticism than the tournament schedulers? Should everyone build huge stadiums for Murray all the time now so that he doesn’t have to climb into the stands to get balls back?

Boo hoo passive Murray. And let’s strike down Djokovic for having the nerve to become an all time great! The gall on this guy, huh?


Margot Says:

@Ben
Hmmm, just because people, not me, are supposedly attacking Nole it’s OK to “hate” on Andy?
He just beat Anderson at Queens so let’s not be too hasty in dismissing my point about Armstrong.
Let’s see Fed/Nole play Anderson/Cilic on Armstrong shall we and see what happens.


Ben Pronin Says:

Margot I’m mostly responding to Brando who thinks Murray is capable of God tennis that we’ve nerve seen.

I agree with your point about Armstrong. But it’s a normal sized stadium. I was there about an hour ago. Ashe just happens to be enormous. Similar to center court at Roland Garros where there’s a ton of room to defend. If Federer or Djokovic lost on Armstrong because they didn’t have enough room to defend from 12 feet behind the court then I’d be pissed at them for playing so passive. I’m still annoyed at how Djokovic played against RBA. Just waiting for errors instead of taking the initiative. I hate that kind of play and I’m not gonna blame the size of the stadium.


calmdownplease Says:

Good grief Mr Pronin
what a cry baby post!
Stop it with the playing the victim card.
Novak is a great player
End of.
@WB
No I believe you, but I was also quoting Becker too.


Markus Says:

Somebody just dropped a load of garbage @ 1 PM.


calmdownplease Says:

`Margot I’m mostly responding to Brando who thinks Murray is capable of God tennis that we’ve nerve seen…`

Yes, and according to you Andy `junk balls`
Which is biased, tone deaf, DRIVEL…


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Brando Says:

‘Good grief Mr Pronin
what a cry baby post!’

‘Somebody just dropped a load of garbage @ 1 PM.’:

EXACTLY.

Someone stick a dummy in this baby’s mouth since he’s spouting impartiality but babbling nonsense.


Markus Says:

As regards the idea that Murray may be more talented than Djokovic, that is my opinion. There are others who share the same. I also think that he has more power than Djokovic. However, Djokovic is a more complete player in that he has a superior mental approach to the game which enables him to harness all his talent into something that enables him to win over just about everybody else. This is not at all an insult to Nole but rather a tribute to his talent in its totality..


Margot Says:

OK Ben, and I know you’re mad with brando but I personally try not to let my dislike of certain posters spill over onto the players. I find statements like “boo hoo passive Murray” quite upsetting actually.
If you’d read this thread you would’ve seen brando said exactly that, not quite as offensively as you, and no Andy fans disagreed actually.
And how do you defend against 137 mph serves unless you are pretty far behind the baseline? Any closer and you might get your head knocked off. Also there’s less room at the sides so less room for Andy to do his famous “gets.”
I think Nole is brilliant too, btw, and I will always admire him for taking it to Fedal and I’m just sad cos Andy couldn’t.


Ben Pronin Says:

This is hilarious. You guys have over 100 comments attacking Djokovic and I’m not allowed to defend him. But I post 2 comments criticizing Andy and THAT’S IT, YOU’VE GONE TOO FAR. What a joke.

Markus I have reasons why you and Brando are talking garbage so how about a rebuttal. Or just the classic “waaah Djokovic is too good for my favorites and I hate him waaah” post. As is your forte.


calmdownplease Says:

I also think Novak made better choices in game play and had a crucially better coaching set up during his early to mid development.
Marian was SO key to all of Novak’s success.
Everything then fell into place and the rest was history.
As they say


calmdownplease Says:

A HUNDRED comments attacking Novak!?!
Bullshit!
I’m sure if there were a hundred WB would swoop down like the avenging Angel
Go cry into your Teddy bear you silly little boy
Or better still grow a pair!


Brando Says:

‘“waaah Djokovic is too good for my favorites and I hate him waaah” ‘:

IF you said Fognini, you would have a case. That I grant you.


Margot Says:

Try being an Andy fan on here, try saying you find him extremely talented, try saying you don’t feel he has fulfilled his potential. All that’s allowed isn’t it?


Ben Pronin Says:

Honestly this is the first time in a while Murray wasn’t sharp at a slam. I said as n much in round 1 where certain parts of his game weren’t working as good as usual. And this is certainly an unfortunate result but I’m not foreseeing gloom and doom. But Brando has the longest post in history about how Murray should be beating Novak. And he said Murray should be dominating Wimbledon and US open? Why exactly?

Margot IDC where he stands to return serve. I thought he returned pretty well last night and he tends to move in on returns anyway. It’s the court positioning during points. I saw how well he was defending on Ashe. But that defense wasn’t gonna win him the title.


Jock-KatH Says:

@Ben Pronin

Ben, you evidently don’t like too much garbage on these threads – OK – but if so, by are you adding to it?


sienna Says:

Murphy should grow a pair. after two sets he had 12 winners and 5 unforced errors.
That means he doesnt risk anything. keep pushing the ball around in safe position.
He played like he owned a pussywagon.


kriket Says:

Goat, Goat, GOAT, get over it, got old long ago. There are arguments for both Fed and Nadal to claim they are GOATs, and Novak too is nearing to become part of that debate, although it’s far off yet for him. Be that as it may, he already is one of all time greats, and it’s sufficient. There can be only one GOAT, and it’s not as if every world no1 has to become the new goat to be appreciated.

As a Novak fan I have to say IMHO he’s not been playing anywhere near his best tennis recently, or most of this year for that matter. Good thing is he can come up with the goods when it matters the most – in the final match (save for the FO final).

OTOH Fed is playing sublime throughout, still he can’t make it past the SF, save for Cincy, where I think Novak wasn’t really trying too hard, because (again IMHO) he was saving some luck for the USO.

He can be ousted before the finals, Wawa being the biggest threat to him I think, and if it comes to those two playing against eachother, Novak will have to come up with his absolute best to overcome.

Murray has been unlucky this year. He’s got the goods just doesn’t seem to be able to deliver on a consistent enough basis. He will come through eventually, I think.

Novak still has to improve his GS finals performance. He’s been losing too many of those, not sure if he’s won or lost more GS finals he’s played. Anyway, it’s been around 50/50 for him, and if he’d been able to convert more of those finals, he would’ve been in double digits GS trophies long ago. Alas, he still has some time to improve in that aspect, but seeing his game, it’s not getting much better overall. He’s been more dominant in 2011 when the field was even stronger with Nadal in his prime and even Fed close by.

It’s gonna be an interesting finish to the USO this year to say the least.

Re Fed’s SABR. I’ve read in the papers Becker stating that players wouldn’t stand for it “in his (Becker’s) days”. He said that players would straight out hit him with their serves if he’d come in that close in “those days”.
Said that he’d say smth like “Look Roger, honestly, I like you a lot, but next time you try that again, I’m coming after you.”

Thought it was funny :)


Wog Boy Says:

“And how do you defend against 137 mph serves unless you are pretty far behind the baseline?”

I will disagree, look at Roger or Nole how they defend against those serves, they are basically on or one meter behind baseline, and they are pretty successful, aren’t they?


Okiegal Says:

@Margot…..Sorry…..I ran out of Lucky Charms. I don’t know who I’ll be pulling for now. I guess since I’m so fond of Spaniards, I will be in Deliciano’s corner…..ummmm, I wonder if Judy will??? Seriously, my sympathies, I know exactly how you feel. Our favs can really make us get lower than low at times. I sent you a comment on another thread about his loss, not sure you saw it….but wanted to reiterate in case you didn’t. Hang in there…..


calmdownplease Says:

And I bet Ben Pronin became a Novak Fan…..
in 2011!!
Before then he was (no doubt) waxing lyrical about the sublime attacking play of Fed blah, blah, & BLAH
Oh yes, I know the type of `fan` that we are dealing with here…


skeezer Says:

“There are arguments for both Fed and Nadal to claim they are GOATs”.
No, there is no argument. There is only one.


Margot Says:

@Wog Boy
Well, as Andy beat Anderson at Queens, he must be doing something right too. Has Nole or Fed faced a 6’7″ big server on Armstrong yet? Not a wind up, I genuinely don’t know.
Andy’s record against Karlovic/Isner/ is pretty good too.
@OK
Thanks. Haven’t read that thread, too painful and this one has suddenly turned a bit bloody too :(
Dear God, we really, really “get it” that Andy lost, we really, really do! We really, really “get it” that he wasn’t good enough, we really really do. Ad nauseum.


Brando Says:

‘And he said Murray should be dominating Wimbledon and US open? Why exactly?’:

I’ll play ball with you on this one Ben, and let’s keep it polite:

I said he should be heir apparent to Federer at Wimbledon and USO and here’s my thinking as to why:

- Wimbledon:

Andy is universally regarded as the most naturally talented Grass court player of his generation. He has the most Grass titles of his generation. He has won Wimbledon. He also won another Grass major in the eyes of some by virtue of lifting Olympic Gold medal at Wimbledon in 2012.

The ONLY contenders to him being Fed’s heir here is: Nadal and Novak. Rafa? We don’t need Einstein to spell out the clear Grass mire Rafa has been in post 2011. He’s automatically ruled himself out of the running. That leaves Novak? A player who Andy is 2-0 on Grass, yet to lose a set to. Infact: play a tie-breaker. A player who feels less comfortable on Grass than Andy.

Now I do not lament Novak for his success: fair play to the guy. I lament Andy since post Wimbledon 2013: the stage was set for him to achieve big things on Grass since really Federer aside there was NO ONE on his level on Grass in the eyes of many.

Disagreeable? Maybe for some. Egregious thinking? Certainly not. It’s a fair and reasonable notion that many possess.

- USO:

This is a fast/medium HC event.

Similar MS interms of speed are: Canada, Cincinatti and Shanghai. Fed aside, from the famous 3:

- no.1 winner with most titles in Canada: Andy ties for top spot.

- no.1 winner with most titles in Cincinatti: Andy is no.1 clear.

- no.1 winner with most titles in Shanghai: Andy ties for top spot.

Overall he’s the most successful there in collective amount of titles put on table than either Rafa or Novak. Then USO specifically:

In terms of winning it ONLY Rafa has 1 more title there. Now the claim that he should be heir to Federer here:

Rafa? Clearly Andy suits the hard stuff more than Rafa. It’s not egregious to side with Andy over Rafa here. And Novak:

Andy- at this moment in time- does not lack for titles at USO, Cincy, Canada or Shnaghai. Factor in he has a superior h2h v Novak in totality over these surfaces, that he actually has the wins over Novak in the finals of some of these events, and also beat him in places like Dubai even:

It’s NOT egregious to think, maybe the USO event suits Andy and in top form he can handle Novak? Maybe he enjoys that kind of surface more than Novak?

Ultimately:

It’s an opinion. With a fair and reasonable basis for it. There’s nothing egregious about it at all.But


Ben Pronin Says:

Wrong as usual CDP. I was always a Federer fan and I became a fan of Novak’s in 07 when he won Miami. And in 08/09 I said I’d star rooting for Novak over Federer once Fed got the slam record. Since then I lean towards Novak. 2011 was great because it validated what I always believed since 2007 Miami, Novak has the game to dominate across the board.

But you know the type of fan you’re dealing with! Rah!


calmdownplease Says:

Yes I do
And thank you for the (near) confirmation on that one.
Oh passionate defender of Novak.
:)
And I’m glad you always think ‘Im wrong as (judging from your posts at least) it means I’m mostly always right
lol


Okiegal Says:

@Margot 1:55

It does get sickening after awhile….totally agree. I know where you are coming from for sure!!


Margot Says:

@Ben
I’ve now skimmed through all these posts, very anal I know…;) and I found about 3 that were mildly critical of Nole, very mildly I’d say. A bit about the “weak era” a bit about time someone gave him a real challenge and that’s it.
In fact CDP and brando have been much more critical of Andy than Novak.
Then Markus and brando dared to express their OPINION that Andy is more talented than Nole and you detonated a nuclear warhead.
A “hundred posts?” Um no. 4 possibly 5, possibly 7 if you count the opinion ones.


kriket Says:

Brando, you talk too much dude, and even the most enthusiastic readers here, get tired fast (I reckon).
I understand that you have a lot to say, but at least try to use fewer words prehaps? Ultimately, you’re gonna do what you want, but even if I’m interested to read, I get discouraged by the sheer length and number of those lengthy posts, and I quit. I guess I’m not the only one.


Margot Says:

Ben, wasn’t your moniker “sensational Safin” back in the day?


jalep Says:

After sensationalsafin he was devastatingdjokovic and it was 2009. He was supporting both Novak and critiquing Federer, if I recall and I’ll vouch for Pronin, as if he needs me to, but he’s a fair and objective tennis fan.


Margot Says:

^ Well, that’s something we can agree on, because he sure was.
Talking of not fulfilling your potential.


calmdownplease Says:

Aww But He’s his Mummy’s little boy Margot!
No point in trying to comfort him with your soothing tones of reasonableness, he’s beyond upset HARUMPH!

Because we’ve all been VERY naughty and should all go to bed early for it!

Wah!!!!

Oh, f**k this
I’m off to dinner..
Goodnight y’all!


mat4 Says:

OK, read a few posts and saw that I was quoted in many ways.

First, thanks TL, jane and Jalep for your very kind words.

Then, for the rest of my opinions. I never said that globally Fed plays better in 2014 than in 2007. But he played a great final in 2014, serving very well and using the right strategy. In 2008, he didn’t play that kind of game and didn’t use well enough the properties of grass. He let Rafa play his own game under his own terms.

But I already wrote about it extensively on this same blog, and honestly hoped that, adding this to that, I wouldn’t be once again misunderstood and misquoted.

About Fed facing Novak and Andy. Anybody who has watched their matches know that Fed is much more febrile when facing Novak, who plays at a higher rhythm, deeper, is more aggressive and poses him more problems. Andy’s favourite strategy, to hit defensive slices and disrupt the rhythm doesn’t really work against Fed since he has changed his ways. Against Novak when the rally starts Fed has to fight on every ball not to be pushed in the defensive, something he doesn’t like.

About opposition. Assessing the level of opposition is a way of indirectly assess the level of the champions. Tennis has changed so much in the last ten years that it is already difficult to compare 2005 to 2015, although a lot of players still play. But we see that racquet technology changes, that players use angle better, the return is less conservative, after a short period volleying has been incorporate in the usual pattern of play, etc. So, let’s not hurry with assessments.

About being an ignoramus. Yes, I certainly am, but reading some of the posts just have the impression that I am not the only one.


jalep Says:

what? me? no, lol, I have yet to fulfill my potential, indeed, Margot.


Margot Says:

No darling, you butted in! Sexy Safin I’m talking.


the DA Says:

“So much garbage here”

LOL. The tennis “expert” has spoken. Never any bias there -nope.
Guys, this site is for shooting the breeze with fans. Amateurs run it. It’s visited by a few true tennis fans, bandwagon hoppers and even more with heavy biases both for & against players. Best not to take it too seriously.

And remember: when some self-appointed expert tries to drag your favorite player as mediocre and overrated – despite one of their stats being a QF streak bettered only by Fed, Djokovic & Connors – sit back and chuckle.

It’s even funnier when they challenge the views of professional players who not only understand technique and a player’s abilities 100 times better but can call on experience of actual grand slam match situations. But hey, the guys here always seem to know better. :o

Margot, have a wee dram and gird your loins for the Glasgow tie. I’m not a Brit but I’ll be rooting for the team hard, especially for my ‘precious’ Muzz to achieve another milestone. ;)


FedExpress Says:

And they said serena had a tough draw. Hahahahha. Vinici in the semis


jalep Says:

Okay, Margot. That makes sense. Sexy Safin didn’t fulfill his potential. And pardon me for butting in, please.

Can’t believe Vinci won. Really. Serena vs Vinci semifinal.


jane Says:

mat4, lol. and yes, tennis keeps evolving, even if some of the same players are still around. they either have to adjust or they struggle. it seems many of them are adjusting and playing more aggressively – at least here at the USO.

also guys like wawrinka, and now even gasquet, are putting more emphasis on training/fitness. both have spoken about it in interviews.

jalep at 2:37 that’s what i remember too, and i agree.


Margot Says:

@The DA
Slurp…hic…cheers m’dear :)
Off to watch tennis now, exhausted my dear, simply exhausted defending Andy…;)
Goooo Jooo.


jane Says:

serena is definitely goign to be happy with vinci in the semi.

meanwhile halep, vika and petra are all on the other side! one might just arrive battle worn to the final.

methinks luck of the draw helped the lady who doesn’t need it. :) oh well, serena has been fighting all year. she deserves every break and accolade she’s getting in that regard.


jane Says:

jalep, who did you pick in cilic/tsonga side? or who do you think will win? wish i could watch. :/


Ben Pronin Says:

Sorry what is Murray’s quarterfinal streak?


jalep Says:

jane, I’m a LaMonf fangirl. Picked him over Tsonga way back in another round. Fortunately I had Cilic winning this quarter.

Andy did me in – picked him to beat Federer and reach the Final. Thanks for asking, I could go on and on- I’ll spare you ;)

And I have the match on – don’t really have a favorite here – whichever one is better for Nole, should he get past F-Lo. Picked F-Lo v Nole quarter – that helped.

Will you be able to watch Nole later?


jane Says:

yep i’ll be home later; hope you’re here to watch “with” me. :)


jalep Says:

Oh yes, I made spaghetti, spicy marinara sauce with meatballs yesterday – and have that bottle of Cab.

Here I was thinking I’d get points for Cilic if he wins but no. Kei was supposed win this and play Nole in the semi.

Allez Jo!


FedExpress Says:

Hoping that tsonga wins for the sake of a competitve semi final. cilic cant barley move and has a brace around his ankle. still bothers him. i dont wanna see a 50% fit cilic play against nole. plus tsonga has beaten nole and cilic hasnt


Jock-KatH Says:

Markus @ 1.14pm – Should anyone else drop a load of garbage do feel free to call in the Turd Alert Team (Rescue Squad) – we’re here to help – no task too big…………


FedExpress Says:

cilic 2014 unloaded. beware all


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Mat4, if I misconstrued your opinion, I apologize.

I wish our moderators would block the bickering so we don’t have to skim through name calling and onomatopoeic mimicking of babies (it’s meant to show the other guy is a crybaby!) to get to tennis talk.

But then I guess it wouldn’t be dysfunctional.

And there’s the break!


Giles Says:

C’mon Feli, beat the faker!!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

As far as the SABR goes, as much as I love it, it’s only ever been used a couple times in a match. Its not really a difference maker.
It IS exciting, so I certainly hope it is not banned, formally or informally.

As for Becker’s comment, I imagine more players would SABR Becker if they knew he’d donate them a double fault by headhunting.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Tsonga getting frustrated. Cilic looking very good. Tsonga really can’t return him.


Daniel Says:

Jalep,

I’ll only win the bracket challenge if Novak takes the final, orin Fed at least makes the final;-)


jane Says:

cilic’s been unloading all tournament. but he’s been ignored and even mocked by some. meanwhile he’s quietly making his way …

tsonga has been playing awesome tennis too. his serve hadn’t been broken and he hadn’t lost a set until cilic did both today.

not watching but i guess it’s still early so anything can happen.


the DA Says:

“Off to watch tennis now, exhausted my dear, simply exhausted defending Andy…”

It has been the same thing for years. No respect before he won slams and none afterwards. But plenty of posts about luck, wind, Rafa-less draws, tired opponents, pushing – the list is endless. The career stats/record books will tell the unvarnished truth in the end.


Ben Pronin Says:

Tsonga’s forehand is a bomb. He just unloads on every single one. That’s why it’s either a crazy winner or hitting the backboard.

Cilic more steady. He has the better backhand and he’s being more patient. But both guys had chances in the first and a double fault cost Tsonga. Still very even. I think the match rests on Tsonga’s racket. If he can hide the backhand and keep going big on the forehand.


Ben Pronin Says:

It also seems like neither guy trusts the line judges as there’s at least 1 challenge per game.

Despite his height Cilic doesn’t really play like aa big guy. I know he was criticized of this in the past and I can see why. He’s definitely better now than when I saw him a few years ago but compared to Tsonga he’s not as imposing. But today it’s helping him because when he gets Tsonga into rallies he’s the better player.

Also both guys are super lucky they started the match right after the court was covered by shade. The sun is unbearable and the roof provides shade for 3/4 of the seats right now.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Cilic looking a lot more muscular than I remembered.


jane Says:

thanks for the firsthand intel, ben. jealous!


Daniel Says:

We use to look a lot of “talent” regarding, tennis hands and touch. in this regard, Murray is more talented than all active players bar Federer. He can produce every shot in the game, volley, powerful serve, BH, etc… The combo and the complete package Djoko is better because he goes to finish points first and is more mentally tougher than Murray.

But many critics and tennis experts, commenters think Muray is one o the most talented players due to his flare.

Of course, there is other aspects to talent as well and I understand that Djoko’s return, flexibility, ability to do just about everything on court with efficiency, and consistency makes him a talent tennis players as well. But in the “classical” aspects of pure talent goes, I think Murray is more gifted. Djoko have his merits because he ws able to translate it to be a GOAT all time great and pretty soon GOAT contender. Andy hasn’t.


Daniel Says:

If Cilic closes second set, pretty safe he’ll take it. If he wins in straight than watch out.

But still think Djoko will raise his level from now on that the finish line and prize is looming a few days ahead.


sienna Says:

should final appear between Cilic – Federer. I get to call it and I get private thread!!!


mat4 Says:

TL:

It’s OK. When I read my own posts they look so… apodictic, although I would like to be able to write in English with more nuances, in a less assertive way. Very often, just a few well chosen words would have made my sentences more precise and more elegant, but I guess I’m not gifted enough.

And it’s often so complicated. Let’s take Connors case, e.g. Like many players — I think here about JMac too — he was an early victim of the technological shift that happen in tennis since the beginning of the eighties. He changed his racquet in 1984, then reverted to the old one, then changed again in 1986. But he never learn to use it properly — he played for a few years more the same game he played with T2000, even slicing a bit his forehand. JMac, who was younger, also struggled to adapt, and when a new generation arrived, the nature of the game changed and he stopped winning slams.

So, I believe that the ability to sustain such a high level and continue to adapt is also a quality of the top players, and a burden at the same time. Just like jane said — you adapt or you lose.


Daniel Says:

Nobody is trusting line judges this Open, a lot of challenges and I only saw 1 girl empty her challenges can.


jane Says:

daniel i too think novak is more of an aggressive baseliner; agree with you that he looks for the winner to finish a point more often than not. he came to net 45 times last match and won 70% of those.

also agree that cilic will likely take this – even in straight sets. from the very beginning of this tournament i have watched him when i can, listening to his on-court interviews, and he said in those how much he loves it here, these courts, and how being defending champion in new york gives him confidence.

it’s amazing to me how much he’s been ignored. he has almost had to reach the semis before he’s been noticed.


bojana anel Says:

Ben Pronin,

Thank You very much…


Tennis Vagabond Says:

jane, if he’s been ignored its because of the lacklustre season he’s had. Now he’s playing like a challenger again and we’re noticing.


skeezer Says:

Tsonga’s legs are gone…not bending his knees like he should….and he is playing like he is out of gas. Second wind coming or poof you’re out?


jane Says:

tv, i just think he should’ve been in the discussion more given he’s defending champ


Daniel Says:

Tsonga will go with the motions this set. One close game and Cilic will take it in three. Back at night for Djoko and see if he will raise his level or if Lopez will bother him and keep serving great.


Ben Pronin Says:

The level of play has taken a significant dip. That was the most routine and uneventful second set possible. Tsonga just can’t hang in rallies and Cilic is doing just enough to win. He’s not playing any kind of unbelievable tennis to be honest. But if anyone remembers his quarterfinal win over Berdych last year was an ugly, ugly affair.


jalep Says:

It was tough knowing who to pick in the Kei and Cilic section, jane. Wasn’t really convinced of either making it this far but was less sure of the other options.

At any rate, I agree that Cilic is getting more comfortable and confident here at USO. Also, he does appear beefed up in his upper body. Think he was serving better last year – he’s making more errors than last year too, I’d guess. Was a bit awestruck by his accuracy last year in more tournaments, I recall. Don’t quite feel that way when watching him right now.

But Tsonga isn’t blowing me away either. Think skeezer is right about his legs. I watch legs a lot…Conditions have been tough but that’s why I like GS’s and the 5 set format – I want to see who is the fittest.


Ben Pronin Says:

I’m pretty far away but I don’t think Cilic looks that muscular. Maybe a bit thicker than a few years ago. But again compared to Tsonga he’s a stick.


chris ford1 Says:

Now that Andy is gone, who does Judy Murray root for?

Oh, I know!!

Another tennis site had an article mentioning Murray had won 18 Slam QFs in a row, and Anderson ended that streak. Now, I know Andy has been fairly consistent, but in the middle of that 18, there is the French Open he couldn’t play in 2013. Andy cited hip problems. So why isn’t there a Rafa Slam?? I mean he won the last 3 Majors in 2010, had to skip the 2011 Australian Open on “stomach issues”, then won the French. 4 Slams in a Row!

Nothing is set yet. Too many people think it has to be a Nole-Fed Final….while the QFs just started and dangerous players like Judy’s “Deliciano Lopez”, Stan, Cilic, and Anderson still abound.


Ben Pronin Says:

Tsonga saw a lot of second serves in that game. But on break points Cilic got the first ball in and Tsonga did good getting it back. Muffed up his first chance but did good on the second. The crowd fully behind Tsonga right now. We wanna see more tennis.


jalep Says:

Daniel, both your final picks are still playing – we picked the same winner but Andy is out so…I’m toast. Federer is at least going to get you more points, since I had him losing to Andy.

Unless Gasquet beats Fed – pretty unlikey, huh, or maybe a bit more likely, Stanimal.


Ben Pronin Says:

Crowd is thrilled but Tsonga seems a bit subdued. I hope he keeps fighting to a fifth.


chris ford1 Says:

Daniel – “Of course, there is other aspects to talent as well and I understand that Djoko’s return, flexibility, ability to do just about everything on court with efficiency, and consistency makes him a talent tennis players as well. But in the “classical” aspects of pure talent goes, I think Murray is more gifted.”

================
It has long been clear that there is a difference between awarding talent points for various things players do well…..and what it takes to be a champion. Consistently.
Borg and Mac were ‘geniuses’. Connors and Lendl were not, but dominated their time more than Bjorn or Johnny did. And since the Opem Era started, you have had “talent and genius” on obvious display in a dozen players that never quite delivered on the scale critics and writers believed was commensurate with the talent. People like Philipoussis, Muster, Safin, Haas, Gasquet, Gulbis, La Monf…

Djokovic is a little unique. He did not start with the heavy tennis schedule other ‘geniuses’ had. He was a year and a half to two behind in development because war and family finances and absence of sponsors meant he missed a year at Pilic’s. and most of a second one. Didn’t grow up in a tennis family with coach parents.
But the talent was there and spotted in Djokovic right away.
The margins are small, as Djoker and Fed constantly say in interviews, between them and 60 other players. The talent is at a high level in the ATP. More than Andy, Fed&Rafa&Nole have a sense of the ‘key moments’ against players who have the talent and desire to win.
It’s genius too, to keep relative calm and focus in a time when you are losing, or you collapse. To put the lost set behind you, the blown smash, key double fault, or the over celebration of a great ‘winner’ on a point. It can’t all be learned. Ask Berdych.


Markus Says:

I like Cilic more than Tsonga. So that means Tsonga will win.


Daniel Says:

Agree CF, I was just pointing out how most view “talent”. For example Marcelo Rios was one of tbe most gifted players to pick a racquet on hand and flare but he didn’t translate it to champipon material apart from being #1 for a few weeks.

I am actually pulling for Djoko to win 4 in a row (this Open and next twi next year). It would be the ultimate tennis irniu by the serb. Everybody expecting Fed or Nadal to do it (they are no longer doing it) and suddenly Djoko does it to silnce the critica for good and wins much more appreciation from tennis community that he deserves. My two cents.


Markus Says:

It’s how you hone and use that talent that matters.


Daniel Says:

“Ultimate tennis irony”. Give up on this corrector


Daniel Says:

Seema this last two cents are tense. Walk away thinking Tsonga was done and ge even saved MP. Looks like tiebreak is coming


Markus Says:

Don’t worry about the spelling Daniel. We have a decoder in our midst, jalep.


skeezer Says:

Wherever Nole is right now……he is smiling.


Emily Says:

Come on Jo, would be a great comeback


Ben Pronin Says:

This is incredible. Tsonga went big on those match points.

Honestly the match isn’t that grueling, rallies generally short. Cilic will be fine but if Tsonga somehow pulls through he night boy even make it to the semi. He’s been hobbling for a little while.


Daniel Says:

Damn, I am missing another classic


jane Says:

oh wow, they’re still playing!

skeezer, i hope wherever novak is he’s thinking of his next match vs. f-lo and nothing else.


brando Says:

“Wherever Nole is right now……he is smiling.”: Tsonga wins he’ll be through to final without facing a single top 16 players. Lol.


jane Says:

“Tsonga wins he’ll be through to final without facing a single top 16 players. Lol.”

just like rafa at the french open 2010, lol.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Ah Jane, you keep making it worth my while to put up with all the blather and keep up with TX.


jalep Says:

Look at Marin’s back and shoulders, he just looks broader – maybe not a lot of difference from last year. The change was very noticeable early in 2014 for sure.

He was really a stick in 2011 when I saw him in Indian Wells. And he’s still a stick compared to Tsonga.

Oprah Winfrey in the house.


jane Says:

tv, you’re better than my T.V. ;)

can cilic finish the job? or will jo blast it all?


jalep Says:

Cilic is in good shape going into the semi.


mat4 Says:

@jane:

Oh… Rafa playing in the final without facing a top ten… that’s nothing: now he often loses in the second round without facing a top 100…

I often think he should rebuild his confidence by playing a few challengers.


andres Says:

Cilic played at least an hour longer than he should have. Lucky for him now he has a three day rest.


mat4 Says:

@jalep:

Yes, he played well. Jo played bravely, so there are no reason to be disappointed. Although I am disappointed.


chris ford1 Says:

Daniel, I agree and you pointing to Rios was perfect.
Sampras serve and volley style dull tennis in turn dulled my interest in the sport in the 90s. Tuned casually one day, at an event that Marcelo Rios went deep in and saw right away he was an electric talent. The next Borg for sure, I thought.

Sure is hard to talent spot. I sort of quit while I was ahead after touting del Potro, Cilic, and especially Djokovic as likely Slam winners and believing Nole and Delpo could be #1….regularly beating the holy Fedal combo of fan worship. (also in 2007 and 2008).

Delpo’s injuries break my heart. He would have been a great champion to have as a regular addition to the Big 4.
The only ‘new talent’ I am behind is Milos Raonic. He has the serve, the brains, and commitment to improvement that will eventually give him his day in the sun.


Emily Says:

That handshake was frosty, now one of the semis will definitely be a dud


Markus Says:

Now for the Wiiliams sisters. I can’t force myself to get interested. Why is it taking too long to give Serena her calendar year Grand Slam? To those standing in her way, default already. You’re all not worthy.


Tennisfan Says:

At least Marin backed up his win last year by making it to the semi’s. Don’t think his form this year is enough to beat Djokovic though (granted he makes it past Lopez)


Markus Says:

Del Potro is tennis’ heartbreak kid. He could have been disrupting the guys at the top big time. He was on a trajectory to be a multi-slam winner and even take the number one place. He was supposed to fill the gap when the Big 3 (or 4) leave the scene. Really a big loss for tennis.


jane Says:

“now one of the semis will definitely be a dud”

and which is that emily? fed vs. anderson? ;)

c’mon, marin is the defending champ and #9 in the world. people forget he had a shoulder injury for part of this year. they also probably forget that the last time he played novak at a slam, wimbledon 2015, he pushed him to 5 sets.

besides which, none of the semis are set anyhow!


Markus Says:

The ESPN commentators are trying their darndest best to make the Williams match interesting. There should be one there honest enough to say this is a no conrest. When was the last to time Venus did well in a majors?


Markus Says:

Maybe it was a typo error by Emily. “Dad” maybe instead of “dud”. That’s more plausible considering we don’t know yet who are in the semis and those remaining all look like they are capable of some great tennis.


Emily Says:

IMHO, Novak will make the semi and he will beat Marin. In Wimbledon 2015, Novak beat him in straight sets; 2014 it was 5 sets. Tsonga had at least beaten Nole before, and he has a great game to watch.


Brando Says:

‘I often think he should rebuild his confidence by playing a few challengers.’:

Confidence? Playing challengers would only build false confidence.

He needs something that can give the illusion of a big, breakthrough win yet be v a abysmal, easy opponent he can beat in his sleep:

How about the GOAT?

P


Daniel Says:

Actually, Fed feels wat more confortavle playing this giants than grindong from the back of the court. Short points, serve winners, some volleys…the kind of match he likes. Of course ghe danger of losing two tiebreaks and get 0-2 exista but I still think he fancy his chances more. Only 1 losa to Isner, 1 to Karlovic (where his serve wasn’t broken) and 1 to Raonic.

Great win for Marin. No shame in losing to world #1 in semis when he is defending champion. Hope he stays fit and ready to challenge moree next year. Matbe he can even qualify for London because the risk of having Simon or Gasquet maies me cringe. They ain’t beating top guys.

Agree re DelPo. He could challenge them all and had an interesting dynamica with Murray and pushed Djoko and Fed. also had the perfect combo to trouble Nadal as well. Maybe he can have a ressurgence at 27-28 and play well from there to his thirties. I know Wawa is out if the curve but if he cur ehis wirst and slowlly buidl it up, we can only hope to see him in action again. We already lost Soderling and Ancic to illnes. Hope not with DelPo


jalep Says:

mat4

What is disappointing you?


mat4 Says:

That Jo lost. Big fan, you know.


Brando Says:

@Emily:

Please don’t be soo naive. Didn’t you know?

Novak plays the brilliant Feliciano Lopez who’s good looks alone could have Novak’s return game off right?

We definitely do not want novak looking beyond him since he’s almost as deadly as Granollers (i still LMFAO when I think about that one. What a tool).

And then the mighty Cilic:

Do not be fooled that he’s never defeated novak. Nor be fooled he’s been straight setted by novak 9/13 times. Nor how Marin has been out of form all year and nearly choked against a choker.

He’s the REAL deal. They don’t get tougher than Marin at all. Just like the Gasquet’s, the Dimitrov’s etc. I forget the rest who other’s call choker’s but wise one’s here call tough nuts when they face Novak.

And then in the final, gasp:

A 34 year old. Oh my: talk about walking the valley of death. Crikey, just typing that has me in shivers:

I beat I would soil myself like some Nolefam members seem to do on here with such a intimidating terrain.

LOL:

I’m only taking the p-ss out of things, but I can hardly blame myslelf since really the potential matches are such foregone conclusion that it serves little to no excitement.

Sure Cilic won last year but many know that for what it was: a fluke in which the stars aligned and Marin took advantage.


chris ford1 Says:

Heartbreak for Tsonga. After a lot of tough losses and injuries, how much longer will Jo want to do the tough work needed to be a serious challenger? It just didn’t happen for him. He has of course far more success than most pros, and wins over the best – but a stellar career has eluded him so far. And he turned 30 last April.


jalep Says:

mat4

Sorry about Jo. Sincerely. But even had he won the match – he wasn’t moving that well to play a semifinal. But he fought hard the last 3 sets.

If there was an ignore option on tennis-x I would sure use it about now. That’s what’s disappointing me.


mat4 Says:

@jalep:

I am not disappointed… it happens quite regularly although this time it was very virulent.


mat4 Says:

About Jo:

He fought well. He had a BP at 5-4 in the fifth. He tried, he did his best. So, it’s OK for me.


jalep Says:

mat4

Virulence has been flagged and reported. That’s about all one can do. To do more just escalates the problem.


Emily Says:

I feel like all this hype is a preamble for a straight sets Serena win. I would love if Venus did make a match of it, but I don’t know emotionally if she can


jalep Says:

Emily, agree.

Back in 2001 I really looked forward to Venus v Serena. By now it just feels like it’s more of an exhibition. But I’m game to watch a bit of it and see.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Agassi famously used the challengers to rebound right back to winning slams.

Don’t write Venus off. She’s been having a pretty good year, has beaten some very good players, and of course, she always has a server’s chance. On paper Serena should walk, but nerves will be HUGE in this match, they always are between them. Venus seems to be on a fantasy-final-run, you never know, the gods may smile on her. She may pull a Sampras, but much more so, having been away from Slam challenging for so many more years: a Super-Sampras.


Daniel Says:

A lot of celebs in the audience and the Trump was applauded?!?!

Venus came to play tonight but BP for Serena now.


Daniel Says:

TV< agree. Whoever wins today is in finals and we don't know who will come through from the other side: Kivitova, Virka, Halep. All could play them tough but beatable for Williams. And if Venus indeed beat Serena she will be sky high confidence wise.


Daniel Says:

Serena breaks!


Skeezer Says:

jane,
“skeezer, i hope wherever novak is he’s thinking of his next match vs. f-lo and nothing else.”
Yes, he is thinkin a lttle bit about his next match, but this is all he has to think about;
A) Focus on returning F-Lo’s serve( nole is the best returner in the game)
B) Hit to F-Lo BH, then its like going through butter with a dull knife.
C) 3 sets, and sensing F-Lo to the local Bakery for the scoreline.
THEN he is smilin :-)


jane Says:

jalep i’d love that button too. but scroll works. that’s what i generally use.

serena with the early break.

daniel i think it’s spelled “chump” not trump. didn’t your spellchecker catch that?


Daniel Says:

Now that Murray lost it occurred to me that if Djoko wins this USO he only needs 100 pts more to clinch Year End #1. There is 5500 pts possible left to be won and Djoko will have 12.785 to Murray’s 7.370. Meaning that if Murray doesn’t play St Petersburg or Mets on September 27th even with DC win he can’t catch Novak.

Novak will clinch Year End #1 in first week of October as there will only be 5250 pts left and the difference between them will be higher than this, even with extra DC points Murray can win (he already has 210 computed).


Daniel Says:

LOL Jane!


Daniel Says:

Just because I said Venus came to play she them didn’t won a game. 6-2 Serena first set. SO much for the hype and congrats Serena on another final here. Going for history now!!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Daniel, did we just do that to Venus?


Daniel Says:

Serena is 78-1 in USO after winning first set, only defeat to Capriatti in 2004, so…


Daniel Says:

Love to see this venue fully packed. Was there once watching Fed, Nadal, Djoko and Sererna back in 09′, how time flies, and it is amazing atmosphere. Hope to return soon and with the roof.


Daniel Says:

Not back in 09′, in 2011. Crazy corrector is messing with my head now…


Daniel Says:

TV, if Venus keeps serving great maybe we can have a match, but she needs to pt more pressure on Serena’ serve and test her nerves. This is tense match (as always with them) and she needs to push Serena a bit more. Do her holds, serve with authority and wait for an opening. And don’t get broken early in tis set, just to pressure her little sis


Ben Pronin Says:

Cilic was the better player for most of the 5 sets. Tsonga hit some big forehands at the right time to win the 3rd and 4th sets. It was incredibly exciting and the crowd was definitely behind Tsonga. But Cilic was simply too good. He doesn’t find up free points with wild or even easy errors. Tsonga can miss the easiest shot in the world but make the hardest. Cilic won’t miss the easy shot and is a good bet to make the hardest. He stepped up when he needed to and it felt like he always hit 130+ mph serve on break point. Quite a performance from both guys.


Daniel Says:

15-30 with two great returns, second serve now


Daniel Says:

This Open had a lot of great matches, next year preview will be awesome.

BP for Venus, humm


Tennis Vagabond Says:

What a pained look on Serena’s face as Venus gets break point. Such difficult emotions for them.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I’d been hoping for Serena to win for all that it would mean, but its hard to cheer against Venus here.


Daniel Says:

See, DF to get broken, Serena is also tense. 3-1 Venus, now is time to hold.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

The looks on their faces are so dramatic, trying to hold back huge nerves and emotions, its difficult to watch.


Daniel Says:

I am with you TV. won’t to see The Calendar Slam, was too young in Steffi days.

But also would be great for Venus to have a redemption Slam in NY. Can see the tears of joy already.

Serena’s win is more due to history impact with her dominance but Venus would be more emotional.


Daniel Says:

Serena a bit off now with two erros, Venus making a mistake that could be costly for 0-40.


Daniel Says:

Another net miss by Serena, BP Venus.


Daniel Says:

What a defense by Serena! Venus unleashed a huge FH and Venus was caught in the middle of court and couldn’t kill the point.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

The problem is, if Venus wins, she’ll probably go out next round!

However, some real tennis is actually getting played now. At least every few points.


Daniel Says:

And Serena missed another second shot. Venus will serve for a 6-1 set. Seems this is going to a this for even more tense match.


Okiegal Says:

@Wog Boy

Do you still think Venus isn’t trying to win this match?? You made a comment suggesting that. I think she wants this win, so does Serena…..both fighting for it. The second set is going awry at the moment. Vee serving for the 2nd set. Little Sista better get busy!!!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Don’t know who to root for!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

WOW!!! Venus is KILLING the ball!


Daniel Says:

BP Serena!


Daniel Says:

1-1, Serena has to stop with the net balls and improve her serve. Made DF in two serves she was broken.

Will serve first third set, better take advantage of it.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Serena is looking seriously fit.


Daniel Says:

What was this game from Serena. BH DTL winner out of nowhere to broke, 2-0 Serena


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Absolutely unbelievable point from Serena to get the break, and she stops herself in mid shriek/cheer.
Honestly, they look TORTURED.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Where has this Venus been the last five years?

Serena on verge of bawling now. Venus all calm.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I can understand why their dad can’t watch. I can barely watch!


Skeezer Says:

Ben,
Cilic had the better legs…


Tennis Vagabond Says:

What I love about Serena’s game: even when she’s nervous, and she knows she’s tensing up and missing her shots, she STILL goes for broke. Most players become moonballers at that point, Serena just says, screw it, and goes for it.


Daniel Says:

That’s why they played two sets in under 1 hours. They wanna get of court as fast as possible, very aggressive (even for theirs standards), going for winners.


Daniel Says:

Serena serving for the match.


Daniel Says:

TV, and that is when she produces her best tennis.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

What an amazing smile and grace from Venus. Incredible strength.

These ladies have more balls that a Slazenger factory.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Can’t they come up with a better interviewer than Mary Jo?


Daniel Says:

Congrats Serena!!


Okiegal Says:

I read Venus lips as they hugged. I’m supposing Serena asked her if she was OK l, because Venus said “I’m all right”…..This was a bittersweet moment for Serena I’m sure. Sibling rivalry…..but the hug at the net was endearing. They are apparently very close.


FedExpress Says:

Serena gifted her a set. Result was known beforehand


Skeezer Says:

Congrats Serena,
And now for the expected beatdown, and off to bed.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

That Lopez backhand looks about the least threatening shot in tennis.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Anyone have stats on backhand winners from Lopez?


Skeezer Says:

LOL TV!
And Nole fans are nervous?
No confidence.


Daniel Says:

Wow, after 2 aces Djoko wins 3 points and now with a return winner. BP


Daniel Says:

Djoko breaks. Lopez 0-3 in second serves points won.


Skeezer Says:

Nole already sending F-Lo to the Bakery here early LMAO.


Daniel Says:

After facing BP in first game Djoko woke up and won all pits bar 2 aces by Lopez. Lost 1 point now as I type.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Man, that crowd is stoned. Not a lot of love for Novak in NY or what? Its a morgue.


Skeezer Says:

Novak fan;
Sooo nervous! Anything can happen. It’s hot. It’s humid. The court is the wrong color.( meanwhile, F-Lo has yet to win a game )


Daniel Says:

0-30, this could be fast.


jalep Says:

skeezer, what are you drinking?


Daniel Says:

BP, Lopez not serving that great today and not winning second serves points as well


Skeezer Says:

TV,
I heard a pin drop on the Tele during the first 4 games(0-4 btw), first time ever. Nighty night, time for Game of Thrones reruns.


Daniel Says:

DF, humm, Lopez better t least hold next time otherwise is bagel. 4-0 Djoko.


jane Says:

skeezer who said novak fans are nervous.

speaking for myself, all i said is i am not counting my chickens before they’re hatched. nice to see novak’s not either. ;)

mind, f-lo is helping by playing badly.

you’re not nervous about reeshard are you?


Skeezer Says:

Jalep,
Predicted this matchup was a washout. C’mon, u really think this was going to be a competitive match?


Daniel Says:

Djoko very sharp and exposing Lopez weakness. Lopez base his whole game on his serve, the moment he was broken first time he served, bug trouble. Now he has at least to hold, force Djoko to serve the set and win a game to enter the match.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I can’t believe Novak is playing this well on a court that’s the wrong colour!


jalep Says:

Well, I think it’s at least more real than Venus vs Serena, skeezer.

I’m having a nice cabernet.


FlyingDoctor Says:

Novaks first serve in= %29
Second serve pv=%83

This is ridiculously good


Daniel Says:

Game Lopez, maybe now he will relax a bit more. With his serve if he gets a good rhythm he can at least prolong a bit.


FlyingDoctor Says:

Novaks first serve in= %29
Second serve pv=%83

This is ridiculous :-)


jane Says:

jalep ditto, only pinot gris. ;)

“bug trouble” – daniel, oh no, not this again!


Daniel Says:

Set 1, check. Win fast, easy and save energy for when it matter most, semis and possible final versus Fed or Stan.


jalep Says:

jane, I know you aren’t a big fan of the preppy look but I like the kit a lot.

Kinda needed that set after RBA match.


Daniel Says:

32% first serves for Djoko, pretty weird for 4 games. But he made only 1 error,won both BP’s and saved the only he faced.


Skeezer Says:

F-Lo has Zero BH, and any smart player will capitalize. Nole is strong on both wings, and can expose easily F-Lo’s weaknesses. Question, why couldn’t the Rafa the supposed goat contender deal with this since some claim he is the best at figuring opponents games out? (Not!).
F-lo’s chance had little or zil chance. He needs to serve huge, hit FH &volley winners whem he has the chance.
Nole? He just needs to play his game.
Look, he’s already given F-lo a present from the Bakery. Hope he likes breadsticks.
I am having a nice Zin, and hoping F-Lo will make it a match but nole wins.


Daniel Says:

The problem for lesser players that unless they are playing really great, when they are a bit of, it’s a washout by top players. Add Novak sharp with only 1 Unforced Error when he mistimed a FH DTL and it’s this score. This happens to Fed a lot also.


jane Says:

how did f-lo do vs fed at cincy? it was better right? but f-lo’s serve was firing there. and even here, the eurosport commentators just said f-lo served 75% vs raonic.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Novak seems to be playing much more defensively that I’m used to from him lately, more like 2011 Novak and prior. Has this been a pattern at the USO in his previous matches? Obviously working here, but may be risky in semis and finals.

I do love how he’s adopted the net game What a huge upgrade for his game. Too bad he can’t smash!


jalep Says:

hahhaha, all I asked was what you were drinking, skeezer. Already got it loud and clear that you think this match is a joke. What’s the name of the Zin? You usually have good taste, if I remember.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Gilbert mentioning the chilly handshake from Tsonga. I noticed that too. Pretty unusual for Jo, no?


Daniel Says:

BP Lopez, found a way to attack the net and Djoko missed passing shot.


Daniel Says:

And Lopez break attacking Djoko’s second serve. Djoko was 30-0 and let it happen.


Daniel Says:

Beautiful lobby center court. Difficult shot.


Daniel Says:

See skeeze, 3-0 Lopez. When you have a serve like his and attack returns (add Djoko with less than 50% first serves in), this score can happen.


jalep Says:

F-Lo is simply beautiful no matter what he does :D


mat4 Says:

This match seems far from over. Novak has to start serving better.


Skeezer Says:

Jalep & Jane,
Ok , eating my words here, F-Lo a 3-0 lead! Must be my Carol Shelton “Wild Thing” Zin i am enjoying atm ;)


jane Says:

yeah novak’s serving = bad. jeepers.
nice volley there though!


Daniel Says:

Djoko has 3 more shots to break back otherwise he’ll lose another set.


jalep Says:

Wild Thing – thanks, skeez.

But now I have to pay attention — Novak not serving well and F-lo firing!


Daniel Says:

Djoko slowly improving first serves in, needs to hold his own and see if Lope gives him any chance. 4-1 Lopez.


mat4 Says:

Novak doesn’t play well in those last matches. He makes a lot of UE, often in very critical moments. Here, he could have broken in the first game, but he put an easy ball in the net. Now, missed a regulation backhand. Every time, those points were important.

Let’s hope he will find his range soon.


Skeezer Says:

Jalep,
Any interest in IW next year? Maybe we can get some Canadians and Brits and some Alligator country types to come?


Skeezer Says:

Ok… lopez is da man! ( eating my hats now… All of them ).
Nole will still win. Right jane?


jalep Says:

Yeah, always interested in IW. But I have to drive to Oklahoma and pick up Okiegal because she won’t fly. Oh wait…that’s for Cincinnati :D


Daniel Says:

Lopez 2 points from second set, 15-30


jane Says:

i hope so skeezer but he’d better find a first serve or two,
not to mention some fire.
he’s not digging in like he should be.
kind of a flat atmosphere after the williams sisters’ match


Daniel Says:

Djoko holds and send the pressure back to Lopez to serve for the second set.


Daniel Says:

What a wrong foot DTL BH winner after a few FH angle cross court.


Skeezer Says:

jalep,
Train?


jalep Says:

It would be fun, I think, to take Okiegal around to the practice courts the 1st week of IW so she can ogle at Rafa up close and personal.


Daniel Says:

What a lobby by Djoko to set BP. Think he is training this shot after RG;-)


Daniel Says:

Djoko hurt in this bad call, he painted the line and now Lopez will have a first serve.


Daniel Says:

Oh Nole, basic BH passing cross curt and he hit the net…


mat4 Says:

It just isn’t meant to be.


Daniel Says:

Wow!! How can Djoko makes this defensive lobby on set point down. Lopez can’t believe it.


jalep Says:

yayy!! fight nole fight


Daniel Says:

Djoko abusing lobby now, he could have went for the BH cross court.


jane Says:

i think the bad call rattled novak or he would’ve likely made the pass. so we’re level at one set all.

happy skeezer?


jalep Says:

arrgh…

Okay that’s it.


Skeezer Says:

@jalep
Haven’t been for a couple of years, so just probing with y’all.
F-Lo takes the 2nd, and my hats are tasted ugly.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Lopez gives so many BH that just sit up for Novak in the middle of the court, and Novak is just giving rally balls back. Where are the kill shots?


Daniel Says:

Well, Lopez already deliver winning a set off world #1 in the biggest stage.

Djoko better wake up because if Lopez keeps serving great a tiebreak and anything can happen


Skeezer Says:

jane,
No! Not happy! But at least he took off his shirt fo ya? :)
He’ll pull this off. Book it.


jalep Says:

We have time to probe, skeezer. IW is much more pleasant than Cincinnati, I’m thinking.


Markus Says:

This is just a minor blip for Djokovic. He’ll still win this.


jane Says:

if i could choose, i’d pick IW!


jalep Says:

lol, lopez


mat4 Says:

Feliciano looks very tired.


jalep Says:

He is better than ever though, F-Lo


Daniel Says:

3 BP’s saved by Lopez.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Time for bed. Thanks for watching with me jalep, jane, skeeze, daniel.

Novak will overcome this hiccup. But the defensive style could be a killer against a hot player, as at Roland Garros.

And there’s Lopez’ FIRST BH winner, in game 2 of set 3.


Daniel Says:

2 DF’s by Lopez and Djoko breaks.


jalep Says:

Wasn’t Lopez losing in an earlier round but his opponent retired? who was it?


Skeezer Says:

jane,
Happy now? ;-)
Listen to Pharell..”Happy”


jalep Says:

Ciao TV!

I’m holding the fort. Making sure Novak wins.


jane Says:

night TV. agree. novak has to stop the passivity and step in when he has the chances.


Daniel Says:

That bad call cost Djoko a set. Lopez would have missed ore return an easy out away as the shot painted the lines. Djoko would have broken and set could be decided in a breaker. Glad he got this early break as a payback.


Skeezer Says:

jalep,
time for bed for me also. Be in touch with IW ’16, maybe we can arouse some interest from the you know whos here? See ya!


Markus Says:

Mardy Fish served for the match in the 4th set and had a match point but was broken. Fish did not retire but was physically wasted in the 5th.


jane Says:

night skeezer weezer


Okiegal Says:

@Jalep 11:26……Yeah, I would look very hot hitting Rafa’s practice sessions in my “hovearound”!! Lol But thanks for thinking of me! Actually the drive to the California desert would be the easiest and probably less traffic. Interstate 40 all the way I think???


jalep Says:

blink, blink does Boris. Does he speak Serbian?


jane Says:

so many bad calls, jeepers!


jalep Says:

Indian Wells is so nice in early March, Okiegal. Rafa is a really nice person in person. In fact, I’m much more of a Rafa fan, I noticed, when I see him in person. Watching Rafa and Ferrer practice was something I’ll never forget.


Okiegal Says:

@Skeezer 11:18……Are OKIE Rafa fans invited?? :)


jane Says:

jalep isn’t she cute?

https://twitter.com/TheCauldron/status/641462493248921601

i am watching eurosport (stream, british commentators) and they didnt know what mac bros were saying the jelena. they were talking to her last match too, ha ha.

hope novak is careful about serving out this third. he’s not happy with his play, as he shouldn’t be.


Daniel Says:

Djoko serving for a2-1 lead. No drama this game.


Okiegal Says:

@jalep…..Really?? I would the players would be strictly business and not pay any attention to the fans. That would be a ball, no doubt. I think it would be fun to watch some doubles. They are fast and exciting.

Why is Novak being so vocal with his box tonight?
Sometimes you lose a set. He’s not gonna lose this match…..He just needs to stay focused and relax!!

I love all of the tennis gear the guys and gals are wearing this year. Everyone looks really sharp!!


Daniel Says:

Perfect 40-0 game.


FedExpress Says:

Novak has an easy draw and losing sets to players like rba and lopez shows how great he is. Lol


jane Says:

fed express, fed lost a set to f-lo here in 2007 in his prime. and fed’s lost slam matches to staks, robredo, and seppi. big deal. it happens. they all have off days and similarly their opponents play well for a whole match, a set, whatever.


jalep Says:

jane, Jelena is absolutely adorable. thanks.

Yeah, Nole needs to wrap this up in 4 sets (should have been in 3) and focus. He’s had two Spaniards – completely different types of opponents the last two matches.


mat4 Says:

@jane:

Scroll, baby, scroll [it should be a misquotation]. There’s no ignore button.


Daniel Says:

Finally a BH winner from Lopez that was not a slice;-)


Daniel Says:

Djoko is master of passing shots, love it. 2-2


Daniel Says:

Gonna sleep as well. Tired, workout was leg day today and it kills me.
Hope to wake up and Djoko close this in 4. If not, than Fed can’t ask for more: Djoko, Murray and Nadal out before semis:-) He’ll only hope for Anderson to beat Stan LOL


mat4 Says:

Novak is just struggling.


jalep Says:

He really is, mat4 – struggling.


mat4 Says:

Indeed…


jane Says:

bye daniel.

novak is playing horribly jalep, mat4. not sure what’s up, but he’s rushing and making routine errors. ugh. hard to watch.


mat4 Says:

Yes, instead of playing with F-Lo, he plays with our nerves.

Shot selection abysmal, execution at the net terrible, febrility in key moments… Just hope that he won’t starting speaking about “confidence” in his interviews.


jane Says:

too far behind baseline when f-lo is coming forward. he needs to coming inside the baseline for the pass.


jalep Says:

Hope not mat4 – start talking about “confidence” in interviews…

Well, time to hold serve Novak.


jalep Says:

Gosh TB coming.


FedExpress Says:

Hope cilic recovers and can be competitive in sf.


jane Says:

all i can really say is PHEW.
he’ll have to play much, much better than that to even make the final.
oh well, he did it, even playing poorly.
ajde novak
cheers jalep and mat4.


sienna Says:

cilic still below the player he was last year. Novak will have to much for him.
Maybe a litle bit more conpetative then at wimbly.


FedExpress Says:

9th straight semis. Impressive. 1 us open.not so impressive.


nits Says:

Djokovic was a bit off today.Lopez could only convert 1 break point & too many errors sometimes he seemed to be tired. Marian Cilic will be a tougher opponent. He can beat djokovic he can hit 6-7 aces prr set easily.


jane Says:

stan still lurks.
but can he get a win over anderson?
hmmm…they’re 4-3 anderson.
their latest matches have been best of 3.
kevin has 4 straight wins, but very close w/tiebreaks.
in a best of 5, it might help stan?
not sure.

fed vs gasquet is 14-2 for fed.
reeshard hasn’t beat fed since 2011.
but he is fitter and is playing better so maybe he’ll have a chance to make it closer.
i suspect he’ll probably be overpowered.
and speaking of court positioning, gasquet is one to play very far back, which will feed well into fed’s new forward attack momentum, methinks.

nits, cilic can beat anyone if he zones.
i mean he beat fed in straight sets last year.
don’t count him out… yet.
i know novak has a great h2h with him
but he can’t play like today or he won’t win that semi.

novak has defended his points for last year with the lopez win. looking pretty safe for YE#1 and he’ll have his first full year as #1 throughout. a bright side.


mat4 Says:

It’s sport, you never know. Favourites win most of the time, but not always.

Novak made his ninth consecutive semi here. Let’s hope for a sixth final, and a second title.


Tennisfan Says:

I think Novak’s No.1 title is safe for a long time. Can’t see anyone really challenging him in the near future.


Okiegal Says:

Novak fans, no sweat, he played just as hard as he needed to, to beat Lopez……He will win the trophy, no doubt!!


Okiegal Says:

I would say Novak’s overall slam record is very impressive….5 Aussie Opens, 3 Wimbys, 1 US open has made 3 French finals….what does it take to impress folks on here….other than Roger Federer???


Jock-KatH Says:

Jane @ 12.10

Thanks for the link to Jelena – she’s stunning – loved the head toss and laughter.

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