Nadal on Form, Djokovic v Murray Saturday at ATP Shanghai Masters
by Staff | October 16th, 2015, 10:32 am
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Former world No. 1 Rafael Nadal dialed back the clock and showed a glimpse of his old confidence on Friday at the Shanghai Masters in China where he punished Stan Wawrinka 6-2, 6-1 to move into the semifinals.

Wawrinka looked to be feeling the effects of an almost-three-hour match the previous day against Marin Cilic.

“Being in the semifinals is a great result for me,” said Nadal. “I hadn’t played the semifinals on hard court all year and now I am playing two weeks in a row in the final rounds. That’s a big improvement for me. In terms of confidence, in terms of level of tennis, I am playing better. Very happy for that because I am working so hard.”

Wawrinka admitted afterward to some fatigue from the night before.

“For sure physically I feel the effect of last night, but also the past 10 days,” Wawrinka said. “I’ve been playing a lot, winning Tokyo. Today I was just struggling a little bit. It’s that simple. Against Nadal you cannot do anything if you’re not 100%.”

Nadal improved to 13-2 career against the French Open champion after losing their two previous meetings. He will next meet No. 16 seed Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, who in his quarterfinal outlasted No. 12 Kevin Anderson 7-6(6), 5-7, 6-4.

“It is a court that [Tsonga] likes to play on,” said Nadal. “The court is quick. He feels comfortable on these surfaces because he has a huge serve — very, very good forehand. He likes to hit the serve and then hit the forehand and go to the net.”

The other Shanghai semifinal on Saturday will be a blockbuster when No. 1 Novak Djokovic meets an in-form No. 3 Andy Murray.

On Friday Murray rolled over a frustrated No. 5 Tomas Berdych 6-1, 6-3, while Djokovic dismissed an early threat from Aussie Bernard Tomic 7-6(6), 6-1.

“It was a very good first set,” said Djokovic, who is on a 15-match winning streak. “High quality tennis from both of us. Especially Bernard played some smart tennis, stepping in every shorter ball, serving very accurately. He pushed me. Went down to a couple points to decide the first set in the tiebreak. Obviously it was a huge relief for me to win the first set, and started off the second with a break. That gave me more confidence. I think I played a very, very good second set.”

Djokovic is attempting to win the Beijing-Shanghai double for the third time in his career after last week winning the China Open for the sixth time.

Djokovic leads the head-to-head with Murray 19-9, but the Brit won their last meeting in the final of this year’s Masters Canada.

“I’m aware it’s going to be an extremely difficult match,” said Murray. “He’s played very, very well for the whole year. It was important that I got a quick match tonight because it’s late. I’ll get well recovered, get a nice, long sleep and play a good match tomorrow, but it’s going to be a tough match for sure.”

SATURDAY SHANGHAI SCHEDULE
STADIUM start 1:30 pm
[7] D. Nestor (CAN) / E. Roger-Vasselin (FRA) vs [5] S. Bolelli (ITA) / F. Fognini (ITA)

4:30 pm
[8] R. Nadal (ESP) vs [16] J. Tsonga (FRA)

8:00 pm
[1] N. Djokovic (SRB) vs [3] A. Murray (GBR)


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197 Comments for Nadal on Form, Djokovic v Murray Saturday at ATP Shanghai Masters

Michael Says:

From Rafa’s point of view, it certainly looks encouraging and appears that he is near his very best. But the question only remains as to whether he can sustain this form and that will determine his status in the game in the days ahead. But to beat a very good player like Wawarinka in such a fashion will indeed provide great encouragement and sure to boost one’s confidence. I tip Rafa to reach consecutive finals yet again.

At the other end, Novak is looking strong as he has throughout this year and it will really a monumental effort on the part of Andy to outlast him. If Andy exhibits his very best on court, he has a chance. If not, Novak will easily dismantle him and yet again I fancy a Novak Vs Rafa final with the former winning the coveted Asian double and thus completing the Asian swing with his signature implanted in a more forceful fashion.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Michael Novak has to get through Andy first,and Rafa through Jo,or are those matches just foregone conclusions,especially the first one?BTW left you bsome posts on the other thread,dont know if you read them?….


Emily Says:

Good for Bernie for being the 1st guy to really push nole since the U.S. Open (sorry Rafa fans, but has anyone else got novak to a tiebreak?)


elina Says:

Andy beat Novak in Montreal. Shanghai is faster conditions.

No reason he can’t do it again.

Look for Andy to make it to his fourth Masters final of the year in three tight entertaining sets.


Margot Says:

@Michael
Did you actually see Andy’s match? He is back to pre-op form. I doubt very much that “Novak will easily dismantle him.”


Gypsy Gal Says:

Margot yeah exactly….

Michael excuse my irritation, but i think some of us actually believe that other players might have a chance,silly as it seems,not everything is about Novak….


elina Says:

More forceful fashion than what exactly?


nits Says:

Murray nadal final will be a welcome change


calmdownplease Says:

‘Novak is looking strong as he has throughout this year and it will really a monumental effort on the part of Andy to outlast him’

Er, this is what happens when one doesn’t actually watch the match they’re pontificating on. Judging by what I saw Today, If anyone needs to be at their very best tomorrow and up their game, it’s Novak


calmdownplease Says:

Are we sure Micheal isn’t Ben Pronin?


Gypsy Gal Says:

Actually Michael is a very fair and reasonable poster,and very respectful of peoples different opinions….


calmdownplease Says:

Then he most definitely is NOT Mr Pronin.

Scrub that!

;)


jalep Says:

GG, read your post on the other thread…don’t get mad at me but…
just one more to CDP…can’t help it…

Cdp, Hybrid fans are what they are, it’s odd and maybe irritating. I’m one too…messed up, a mixed bag of spare parts…lol…


courbon Says:

CDP: I agree-Murray was very sharp today and he probably may win tomorrow ( 50:50 )after . But you saying this: “If anyone needs to be at their very best tomorrow and up their game, it’s Novak”
makes me wonder- did you watch any tennis this year?


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep nah im not mad at you(scratches head),why would i be?ah yeah sorry got it(AHEM)coughs,now go to bed,night night little Jalep lol….


jalep Says:

Right….off I go…GG, bye now.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon hi,agree with your post,Novak is always the favorite,doesnt mean he will always win though,against CHLC i would say the match against MAU is about 60/40….


courbon Says:

GG- Off course you are right-And I personally think that Murray will win tomorrow.They are both great and when they are both in top form, just a couple of points decides match..;only reason Novak is more sucessfull, because he is in top form more often then Murray.Is just CDP likes to provoke so I hit back! ( you can trust those guys from North London I ‘ll tell you…)
I hope we have a good match and let the best man win!
P.S. By the way, Rafa was very good today.If him and Andy win tomorrow-I know somebody in Yorkshire will be very happy! (-:


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon i know a certain girl from Yorkshire,that now lives in Norfolk will be very happy with that scenario,i would be doubly delighted if a certain Austalian film star would pay a visit around these neck of the woods,been as he has Norfolk roots,still waiting its been 11 years now lol,one of my top 3,you have yours and i have mine….


courbon Says:

GG, stop dreaming about HJ, he ” bats for the other side”. Keep telling you, but you want listen… ( too handsome to be straight ).
Norfolk? That’s Delia Smith neck of woods , right?
( here roast beef receipt is still classic…)


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic is going to be tired tomorrow. Playing back to back weeks is tough.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon NAH, agree on the handsome bit though,but that man has certainly done some none gay stuff to me in my dreams(AHEM),along with the other two favorite males,and Delia like HJ is also a Norwich City fan,roast beef and yorkshire pudding is the great British Sunday lunch classic….


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic is so overrated and lucky.

By making the semifinal of Shanghai, he completes 52 weeks in which he didn’t lose a single ATP ranking point – He equaled or improved his result at every tournament for a full year.

Freaking scrub.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon left you a reply but its in moderation….


calmdownplease Says:

‘But you saying this: “If anyone needs to be at their very best tomorrow and up their game, it’s Novak”’

hahaha No I have,
But I couldn’t help responding to that hyperbole.
And I haven’t actually said Andy would win either if you hadn’t noticed?
I do think, however, he has the slight edge on this speed of court
But it’s all about what happens on the day SO….


calmdownplease Says:

However I can see some people are getting their excuses in place already.
After all, Novak is on another level so he could ONLY lose via extenuating circumstances………
Oh YES!


courbon Says:

CDP-ha, ha…just a gentle tease.Possibly Andy has advantage…don’t know.One thing is sure-On the day-better man will win ( I love obvious statement’s. My favorite one is:If you want to win-you have to make sure you don’t lose! )
Good luck tomorrow!

GG-You should not mention that word that starts with G ( and has two letters after ).That puts you in moderation silly girl…


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon yeah,i will rephrase it then,hes never been in my dreams put it that way lol,along with my other two favorite males,HJ and Delia are both Norwich City fans i gather,and roast beef and yorkshire pudding are the great sunday lunch classics….


calmdownplease Says:

We’ll all be watching it ‘together’ here, will we not Courbon?
Anyway if you aren’t around, good luck to you too!

But not too much ;)


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon its there now at 1.26pm,i will not use that word again,even though i didnt say it in a derogatory way….

Anyway i couldnt believe Roger isnt actually in the semis,as it wouldve been cool to have the fab 4 together in the semis,like the old days,times are a changing….


Daniel Says:

Murray can do what only Karlovic was able to do in a long time, beat Novak before a final. Otherwise it will be Djoko’s 13th straight final and adding Paris and WTF last year a complete set of all finals played in all major (4 Slams, WTF and 8 Masters) tournaments, as nobody have ever achieved in 52 weeks spam. Impressive if it happens!!


courbon Says:

CDP-thanx-break a leg!


courbon Says:

GG, other two favorite males been Tony Blair and John Prescot?


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon they would be on my nightmares list….

1)Mr Hugh(Wolverine) Jackman….

2)Mr Aidan(Poldark) Turner….

3)Mr Ewan(Trainspotting)McGreggor….

4)Mr Thierry(French footballer)Henry….


Gypsy Gal Says:

^You had yours and i had mine^….


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Well! This is getting exciting. Just score-watching these last weeks, but I love seeing Rafa get back in gear.Would be great for (my personal enjoyment of) tennis to see him right back in the mix.

He has a very winnable match against Jo and that would really set his confidence high for a finals.

Other semis, I’m happy either way. I prefer Novak to Murray and Rafa (both game and persona-wise) but I don’t enjoy domination, except for someone I personally sanction.


courbon Says:

GG, not bad, not bad list…I like film “Prestige” with Hugh and Edward Norton;


Tom Says:

That performance by “Stanimal” was a joke. Props to Rafa for giving him the beat-down but Stan decided to mail it in. This is why I can’t take him serious and why I’m ticked at him about the French Open (and that atrocious attire he wore that distracted No1e). Should be a good semi day tomorrow. As much as I think No1e will win, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Andy win given the conditions of the court and the Best of 3 format. 2 more events until the season is over and we get ready for the Aussie!


Gypsy Gal Says:

Tennis Vagabond thats so refreshing to hear,when somebody actually says they want a certain player back at the top of the game,rather than wanting them to fail miserably,even if its one they dont even care for,a real true tennis fan,BTW ive read a piece of your book on Amazon and i will download it to read on my Kindle,and i will give some feedback after ive read it,it sounds great sort of Lord of the Flies-ish,look out for my comment from Alison Hodge,its called The Flood am i right?….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon i never saw it to be honest,anyway Thierry was a Gaelic genius,Aidan always had his shirt of in Poldark,and Hugh made Ewans life a misery in Deception,both together in the same film oh my….


Wog Boy Says:

“Djokovic is going to be tired tomorrow. ”

Agree with Ben, watched all the matches in Shanghai and Nole is yet to hit top gear and if he doesn’t hit it tomorrow he can say bye bye to Shanghai since Andy is on top of his game and more importantly beaming with confidence.

If Tsonga can play the way he was playing this tournament it will be cracking match with Rafa, he will give more trouble to Rafa that Stan. His serve is on, he is lighter on his feet and more patient this tournament.
Finaly to Stan, he tried hard in the first set, he was pumped and did few of those in face celebrations (that I find quite annoying), but when Rafa put him back in his place he decided to bailout, it was no MTO, no sign of injury could be fatigue but that is not excuse, if he is jockey he would be fined (and banned) for pulling the horse.


Wog Boy Says:

I should add, even if Nole hits top gear tomorrow it is no guarantee he will prevail for a reasons I stated with Andy.


Wog Boy Says:

CF1,
Thanks for that crab story, I didn’t know that, that was interesting read.


brando Says:

Djokovic is a beast and rafa said it best: this year on a another level. So I can see him switching it up a level. Andy though is-deservedly so- the 2nd best in the world and can pull off the win. For me it comes down to: who wants the win more? I probably think Andy since he wants no.2 and probably will skip wtf so he needs the points more. Re rafa: just great to see him being positive and aggressive. Tsonga will be a tougher out than wawrinka since he looks sharper than stan but that’s just brilliant: another challenge and opportunity to improve so: vamos rafa! Could be 2 amazing matches.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Gypsy, thanks so much!! Hope you enjoy it. Its pretty dark, as you say, shades of Lord of the Flies.


danica Says:

GG,
oh, don’t get me started on Poldark! :) Can’t wait the new season to start. You didn’t ask but here is my list in random order: Luke “Dracula” Evans (that he plays for another team doesn’t bother me ;) ), Poldark for sure, Sean Bean, Gerard “Leonidas” Butler, Orlando Bloom (either as medieval knight or blonde elf), any Mr. Darcy ever :).

As for the semis, I think Rafa wins his. Nole and Andy is totally unpredictable. I believe three sets would be played. I agree that Novak must be tired but even if that’s not the case, he and Andy are pretty evenly matched and the match will be a battle. We’ll see. I’m eager to find out the results tomorrow when I wake up :))


Michael Says:

Margot @ 11.36 am,

I did add a caveat there in my post which escaped your attention that if Andy plays really well and is on song, then it will be a cliff hanger where may be Novak might scrape through given the confidence he has at the moment !!


Michael Says:

Alison at 11.12 am,

I did respond to your post in the other thread. All I would say is to be respectable to every player on the Tennis circuit and not to deploy vulgar words in a denigrating or derogatory manner. Rick was using some irritable vulgar words against Novak and so I had to intervene to restore some sense of sanity in the discourse. He did pass an adverse comment against Rafa as well, but he didn’t use those vulgar expletives there and so I didn’t find the need to intervene. It is not that I am biased or selective in coming to the defence of any particular player !!

That said, considering today’s matches, nothing is given as they are quite evenly matched and just a little slip up during the day can prove fatal to their fortunes. So, it will all boil down to who gives his best on this particular day. But, there is nothing wrong perse in picking favourites giving your own justifications. I perceive that Novak and Rafa are the favourties and it is possible that I might end up with egg on my face if my prophesy doesn’t come true. I am quite aware of that danger, but still it has always been human fancy to predict the future and based on the current form, they are my favourites. But, it is quite possible that Andy as well as Tsonga might spring a surprise as they are not ordinary players !!


Gypsy Gal Says:

Danica nice list lol,we said after the USO how hot Gerard was in those pictures with Nole even if he did loook the worse for wear,love Sean Bean in anything like me hes from Yorkshire,didnt know Luke was that way but still gorgeous,love Orlando,and Colin Firth is divine….

Anyway yeah win or lose i hope Rafa carries on playing this way that he has all win win or lose,and ill be happy,i hope Murray wins the other,but i would give the edge to Novak,as he seems super motivated,time will tell….


Michael Says:

Alison @ 11.54 am,

Thanks for the confidence you have in me !!


Gypsy Gal Says:

Your welcome Michael,personally i have nothing but admiration for Novak and his career achievements,and whats hes continuing to do is amazing,he might even go on to win more GS than Rafa and even Roger yet who knows?i just get irritated when people treat him like some messiah and think he should win absolutely everything,and i just dont care to fawn over him or any other player,for that matter,even my favorites….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Danica i have a guilty pleasure in that i also love pop prince Robbie Williams,OK not to everyones taste and i know some might find him quite irritating but i think hes gorgeous,and Nole reminds me of him,i dont mean looks wise,but with that cheeky chappie type personality,but thats just my opinion….


Michael Says:

Alison,

Sychophancy is ofcourse a disgusting trait which should be avoided. I agree on that. Only respect the players for what they have managed to achieve !!


Tatti Says:

Hi guys, just landed on this website and thought I’d say hi to any Andy fans out there. Andy’s been playing some fine tennis. It’s going to be a cracker of a match today with Novak.

Go Andy ! May the force be with you.


danica Says:

GG,
Robbie has that “X factor”, something that shines from him. Beautiful eyes.

Sorry to guys here who would rather talk tennis, for this little digression :).


danica Says:

I hope Bernie prepared Nole in that first set for what is about to come against Andy for most likely three sets. I was surprised to see Bernie play that good. Great for him.

Tsonga won the first set against Rafa. Didn’t expect that.


J-Kath Says:

Danica – Didn’t expect 6-0 against Jo in the second!!!!!!


Wog Boy Says:

This ia going to finish quick now, Tsonga is on the ropes.


Colin Says:

I’m wondering what Nole will try today on the psychological warfare front. Whatever it is, Andy should be ready to deal with it, because he’s had to do so before, as have many of Nole’s opponents.


FlyingDoctor Says:

Why it is so hard to accept that novak Djokovic is just a better player than Andy Murray. I am not saying novak is going to win certainly but if someone has to do something special to win the match it has to be murray


J-Kath Says:

Well now – think Nadal close to top form – but Jo won.


Okiegal Says:

Well, what can I say about that match? Even though my guy lost, Rafa is playing much better. Congrats to Jo-Jo fans….He showed a lot of poise in the 3rd
set after the bagel in the second….. he hung tough and got the win. I’m not too disappointed…just so glad to see Rafa in better form this tournament.

VAMOS RAFA!!


Daniel Says:

Giles,

Special Karma back at you😜
Losing a match where you wins a set 6-0 is never nice at all. Golden oportunity for Nadal to reach finals on HC in a big tourney (Slam, WTF or Masters) and still, not. Last time he did so was Miami 2014 almost 2 years ago. He will play Paris, WTF, AO and IW before completing a full 2 years circle. Let’s see if he will be able to contend for an important HC title in the future ever again.

Half glass full, ir was vetter this way because he would probably lose to Djoko or Murray in finals.

No onto premier event, hope for another three setter.
Big congrats to Tsonga, last year he had a simular run and won Montreal, but I still think the winner pf the other semis takes this title. Jo will have to serve above 70% to have a shot tomorrow agaisnt any of Djoko or Andy.


Okiegal Says:

C’mon Andy!! A Murray/Tsonga final would be cool….


Colin Says:

FlyingDoctor, if he’s “just a better player”, then he WILL win, won’t he? Surely it’s more accurate to say that Nole is a better player usually. On sheer ability, Andy is close enough to have a good chance on any given occasion.

To put it another way, Nole is a batter player than Andy – except when he isn’t.


Wog Boy Says:

I thought Tsonga was goner after he missed to brake Rafa at the beginning of the third set when he was 40:0 up on Rafa’s servebut Tsonga proved me wrong. Really good match.

mat4, does Tsonga has a coach? It was only his girlfriend and one more dude in his box.


Colin Says:

Well, folks, Jo-Willie has pulled it off. How much will he have left in the tank for the final?


Giles Says:

Hey Daniel. I have no problem with Rafa losing today. He’s achieved his goal which is qualifying for London. So Karma does not play a part here!


Wog Boy Says:

Daniel,

You couldn’t resist, could you:) I knew it, now I am waiting for skeezer to return the favour too..


Rick Says:

Rafa choked again with his double faults. Call him Mister Nervous. Nowadays he reminded me of Fed, when he was beaten at the Wimbledon final. His confidence is gone. How he had his ass kicked at Roland Garros did serious damage to his mrntal game!


Rick Says:

Rafa will now have occasionally wins over the good players, but just when everyone thought that his old self is back. Then he will gets beaten by someone else the next day.


Wog Boy Says:

mat4,

Don’t worry, I found out, that was his coach, Nicols Escude.


Margot Says:

Really don’t know how Rafa lost that. Commies to GG and OK and other Rafa fans.
Well done Joe.
COME ON ANDEEEEE!
@Michael
I didn’t miss the caveat. It was the implication that, uness Andy is at the very top of his form, he’ll get moidered, that I disagree with.


J-Kath Says:

Oh dearie me, so nervous, think I’ll go and water the weeds.


Colin Says:

I see I referred to Nole as usually “a batter player”. Well, we Brits do like our fish and chips
(or French fries as they say across the Pond).


calmdownplease Says:

Andy is being a little nervous baby I see
Very poor play compared to yesterday


calmdownplease Says:

he’ll settle however
but set one is all but gone and we all know what that usually means


Daniel Says:

Damm, it’s ano match so far. All 3 games Murray faced multiple BP’s and his error count is unsual high for him. One of his worst start versus Novak ever.


Margot Says:

OMG Andy has not turned up and Nole looks completely unbeatable.
Perhaps Andy shot his bolt against Berdych.
Gonna be all over quite soon at this rate :(


Margot Says:

AND PS
Looks as if I’ll have to apologise to Michael….Oh the shame….;)


Daniel Says:

And Novak isimpecable, doing his part closing games in less than 2 min. 5-1.

Yeah Wog Boy, he knew that was coming;-) He is in no position this year to brag not knowing what will come next round. Hehe


Daniel Says:

15-40, double set poinf for another Novak bagel.


calmdownplease Says:

@Margot

Not really!
Andy Murray has been a disgrace for some inexplicable reason.
If Andy had actually showed up it would have been entirely different situation
This is a mental capitulation
He needs to think about this very carefully now and change a few things stat!


Daniel Says:

17 unforced errors in 7 games, wtf was that?! No long rally.

Seems just one od this bad days when nothing works. I can unserstand the 4 double faults as he prefers to force second serve, but the rest…


Margot Says:

Perfection yesterday, crapection today.
Completely lost his serve. Jeeez.
Michael, I grovel.Please forgive me!


Daniel Says:

0-40 on Novak serve, at least a string of good points


Daniel Says:

Andy he breaks


calmdownplease Says:

That will help!
What a s**t storm this has been so far
We can still have a classic however, that Rome semi had a similar kind of momentum and then Andy turned up
Get it together now Muzz!


calmdownplease Says:

shut up Margo!

;0)


calmdownplease Says:

Now can he hold serve?

I’m thinking if he doesn’t we are done

And he is being an absolute whiney brat into the bargain!


Daniel Says:

Wow, point of the tournament and Djoko breaks back.


calmdownplease Says:

finally a great point
alas for the Djoker!


Margot Says:

All those effing double faults.


Daniel Says:

Murray can’t hold serve, 4 straight breaks of serve


calmdownplease Says:

Andy can’t hang with Novak in the rallies
He is simply not focused enough..


Daniel Says:

Murray never beat Djoko after losing first set, without a serve it will impossible today.
He needs to hold this next serve to at least stay level on the score nad stop the rampage of consecutive breaks. And no DF’s


Margot Says:

CDP, he’s a notorious slow starter but…..
1) serve right off today and making him tight, can’t win without his serve
2) agree, is being a big “whiny brat” even after breaking serve. Grrrrrrrr! Not effing helping. Am v. cross with him today. No good playing like that against Bird, no good at all.
3) Nole superb today
4) OK no more grovelling……But sorry Michael….


calmdownplease Says:

There’s a first time for everything and he has gotten close in the past
Doubt its here now
(served for it on Rome after losing 1-6 in the first)
Novak doesn’t really have to do much however Andy is simply handing it to him.
Novak gets the error to produce MP!


Daniel Says:

DF on BP. This is over, the question now is how many games he will win. Hope he wins a fee more otherwise sinenna will come back here with 1/1


calmdownplease Says:

OMG
I think it’s Andy that needs to apologise to US MARGOT
Ths is so poor and I just don’t get it
To say Novak has a psych edge against Novak would be an understatement!


calmdownplease Says:

Novak playing with complete confidence,
Andy doesn’t have a chance


calmdownplease Says:

*I meant against Andy
OF COURSE
hahaha


Daniel Says:

Damm, final tomorrow will be 4:30 pm in Shangai. 5:30 am for me, not gonna happen, unless I wake up for a midnight pi$&s:-)


Margot Says:

Lol CDP the only person who could beat Nole today would certainly be Nole!


calmdownplease Says:

Novak can be ‘superb’ and play exho stuff when he is playing SUCH a Mug

THERE IS NO RESISTANCE WHATSOEVER

Tomic was much better FFS!

He should just retire!


calmdownplease Says:

I’m sorry Daniel but if you are in Rio there is absolutely no reason not to be up at 5.30 on a ‘Saturday night’!
;)


calmdownplease Says:

40% FS% will NEVER do it against the best.

Ever

Worst of the year for him.

Complete capitulation.

Oh he actually held serve.


J-Kath Says:

Margot I’m watering the weeds – they at least are flourishing..

Nobody please send commiserations to Me – a dignified silence will be appreciated.


calmdownplease Says:

I think this is it now
And he will most definitely win the tournament tomorrow as well
Congrats to the Novak fans!
Who are NOT secretly Federer fans too
lol.


Margot Says:

@Kath
Do you think there’ll be further humiliation in the rugy?
:’(


Daniel Says:

Another amazong point by Djoko worng footing in the end to set MP


calmdownplease Says:

apparently this is the heaviest defeat of Andy since Coric
He should have NOT engaged in these kinds of Rallies with Novak as he just can’t pull them off as well but his game is so off he can’t produce the kind of aggressive game he did yesterday or at Montreal


calmdownplease Says:

Oh the one Lob
well done
sigh


Daniel Says:

But I woke up early for my Staurday standars today already CDP, not happening tomorrow otherwise I mess my whole week. I’ll go out but not a bender


calmdownplease Says:

delaying the inevitable….

Love Rio Daniel, been there 6 times.


J-Kath Says:

Margo – The rugby – you thinking of Wales today or Scotland tomorrow?

PS: I know what’s wrong with Andy – he got his dates muddled – he thinks he’s in the WTF and he needs to get away fast because the DC is waiting..


calmdownplease Says:

Andy just needs to forget this happened.

As I will!!!

But he was ruthlessly exposed with such a mechanical yet error- prone performance, so silly


mat4 Says:

Hopefully, Novak was on top of his robotic game, so he managed somehow to win.


calmdownplease Says:

‘so he managed somehow to win’

That’s a joke, right?


Margot Says:

Absolute brilliance from Nole! Well done.
Absolute rubbish from Andy till about game 7 in the second second set. Way too little, too late.
Good luck tomorrow Joe. You’re sure gonna need it.
@Kath
Both games. EEEEEKKKK!
You think, re Andy? Well, I think his brain and his game were sure “in a muddle.” Certainly forgot where he’d left his serve :’(


calmdownplease Says:

I’m not going to watch tomorrow
I mean it’s so predictable what will happen….


Daniel Says:

Congrats Djoko, Masters 25th is coming and sure to have the record next year, if he also wins Paris (possible) he enda the year with record 6 won in a season. First things first, won final tomorrow.

Reached all finals in all Slams, WTF and all Masters Tournaments played in last 52 weeks. If he reches finals in Paris and WTF, this could be a season for the ages.


Daniel Says:

I live in Ipanema CDP, 1 block from Lagoa Rodrigo de Freitas, pretty view everyday and walking distance from mid (best part) of Ipanema beach, can’t complain. Next time you visit let me know and we schedule to watch a match togeter and have some pints🍻 Hopefully with Murray playng a lot better.


Wog Boy Says:

Good job Nole…but it was pure luck and a bit of psychological warfare, right Colin?


calmdownplease Says:

I hate to say it, but these kinds of precipitous drops in performance (collapses?) from one day to the next indicate to me that Andy needs a strong personality in his coaching team, to mentally guide him.
Bjorkman is insufficient for that kind of thing & is only a support coach & Mauresmo doesn’t inspire confidence in this area either
Although I like what she had done with him in other capacities.
Let’s see how he responds however as there is nothing to be done this year on this
I think it’s ALL about the DC now for Andy


calmdownplease Says:

No, you can’t complain
Summer is coming!
Let’s do that dude!
Ipanema is my favourite too (hate Copacabana bar the Hotel), & Leblon
That’s where most of the action is!


Ben Pronin Says:

No idea what happened with Tsonga-Nadal. Kinda reminding me of Toronto last year when Tsonga won beating Novak, Murray, and Federer. Sometimes when he catches fire everyone gets burned.

Djokovic is playing really well. He’s not missing much at all, which is certainly frustrating for his opponents. But he’s also hitting so unbelievably deep every time, I’ve never seen someone do that. Nadal’s been criticized for hitting the ball too short and letting it sit up throughout the year. Too short is like, around or inside the service line. Novak continues to place the ball maybe 6 inches from the baseline on every shot. Even for someone like Murray, who generally hugs the baseline well, it’s tough to stay offensive when what appear to be regular rally shots keep pushing him back.

It used to be a battle of angles between Djokovic and Murray and Djokovic and Nadal. But in the Beijing final and here today, Djokovic has played them somewhat differently. I thought Murray played a better second set today (which wasn’t hard to do considering the garbage in the first set) but when he tried to engage in the sharp angled rallies, Novak responded with ridiculously deep shots that kept Murray running further back.

Everyone keeps saying Djokovic isn’t doing much and his opponents just aren’t playing well. It’s not entirely true. Djokovic is hindering their ability to play well. And that it doesn’t look like he’s playing all that special should concern the rest of the field. Is regular level Djokovic really only capable of losing more than 4 games in a set once in about 10 matches?

I think Tsonga will be challenging tomorrow, though. He has no pressure or expectations and he’s already playing well. He might be somewhat exhausted after the week he’s had but I think that could actually help him play better. His game is more about hitting crazy winners than grinding down his opponents. If he feels some fatigue, goes for broke and connects on a few shots, it could pay off.


Wog Boy Says:

Daniel,
Let us wait and see about 25th masters, Tsonga is playing well, the only thing is that he can be little bit tired after three consecutive three set matches.


jane Says:

i thought it was impressive how novak could turn defense to offense in the match. this point is indicative

https://twitter.com/NovakIndiaFans/status/655367729096994818

also thought andy had a very good chance of winning today because he looked so fresh and confident vs tomas. but novak was quite on his game and andy wasn’t able to serve at the same level..

commies to andy fans.

in the other match, i surprised that tsonga came through; i really thought rafa would win. didnt see any of the match, though, nor have i read about it, so not sure what people think.

it’s been a while since we’ve seen nole vs. jo.


J-Kath Says:

Margot – re Andy – it was so-called rye humour – but I wasn’t laughing — still sticking to “he got his dates mixed up” etc. ….

to be honest, I can’t believe it – my brain rejects it….

…..Wales had better be bruisingly good today
and Scotland tomorrow

Anyways – hope the final is more competitive and good luck to both guys.


calmdownplease Says:

‘Djokovic is hindering their ability to play well’

No, I agree
His relentless intensity knocked it right out of Andy but usually he is better prepared to handle thisif not from the start usually at some point.
Im not putting it all down to Andy’s bad play, Novak was sublime
But still, even just looking at the numbers …Andy was truly dire!
It can not be overlooked just to make out that Novak is on another level etc


Michael Says:

Congrats to Tsonga for making another Master series final and I would say his lethal first serves saved him the day against a resurgent Rafa who is playing really some exceptional Tennis of late. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the better player lost considering how well Rafa was dominating Tsonga from the back of the court and in the second set he was just phenomenal. The match was a pulsating entertainer with all the histronics of exquisite shots, incredible retrievals and some really over the top atheleticism in such a physically demanding sport.

But in the finals, Tsonga might need more than good first serves to life another Master series crown considering the way Novak is playing !!


Wog Boy Says:

I would like to remind people that Andy played against Berdych last night and Djokovic tonight, there is little bit of difference between these two players, no?


Ben Pronin Says:

I guess Michael was right :).


Michael Says:

As I stated, Novak would murder Andy on Court if he comes out half best. And it was a day when the former was in such an exceptional form and producing his exquisite best where he was destined to do nothing wrong on court and you had Andy at the other end, a little bit jaded with his first serves totally deserting him and the result is there for all to see. I would say that this is one of the most extraordinary performance Novak has produced in his career and this Asian Swing is doing his confidence a lot of good where he has a feeling that he is really unbeatable. Unless, Tsonga by miracle produces a magical performance, it is Master Series No. 25 for Novak !!


calmdownplease Says:

The confidence that Novak has developed from being number one for so long and winning 10 slams obviously makes him very difficult to beat now.
He’s been in the slipstream so long that he’s used to it, he just knows how to win and how to be a great champ
He comes up with goods almost every single time.
He’s on ‘another level’ when it comes to consistency, that’s for sure.
Andy, if he plays his best, I honestly believe has a chance to challenge him, but he’s clearly not there right now
Can’t think of anyone else who does have one, however.


Margot Says:

@Michael
Hope you read my grovelling apology. Obviously you know Andy a lot better than I do :(


calmdownplease Says:

Michael wouldn’t have been right if Andy hadn’t been SUCH a tw*t however.
Although one can’t be too surprised by it now I suppose.
He might still have lost but not like THAT
No f***ing way!


Margot Says:

@CDP
I felt Andy was full of negative energy today. As Fleming pointed out, even after he broke Nole’s serve he was growling and scowling at his box.


Travis Bickle Says:

That was the tennis world No.1 toying with the best British player.

But wait, that British player is the world No.2, who just yesterday dismantled the world No. 6 having his (almost exclusively British) fans on this site hoping that he will beat Novak today…

The fact:
Novak is several notches better player than Murray and every Murray’s win should be treated as a huge achievement by his (almost exclusively British) fans :-)


calmdownplease Says:

So where are YOU from Travis Bickle?
I’m thinking some third world hell hole, or maybe you’re some kind of refugee.
Right?
Shame you can’t comment on the threads unless Novak wins and then you can live vicariously through him by coming on here
I think if you did post more often most would be able to work out that, well, you’re not too bright
Are you?
Although it only took me a few posts to work THAT one out


calmdownplease Says:

@Margot

Yes but WHY
Whywhywhywhywhy?
He was playing perfectly yesterday
The boy has some serious issues if he wants tp progress his career
He should really take a leaf or 4 out of Novak’s book and see if that will help
Mauresmo is not up to this huge task and she bailed out after a few months to have a baby FFS!
I don’t want to say his name but, well, it begins with L and ends with one….


Margot Says:

…”every Murray win should be treated as a huge achievement…”
Congratulations, you win the prize for the most patronising comment ever, on tx.


Margot Says:

@CDP
Yeah but…as Wog Boy said, Nole is not Berdych.
And L—- is not coming back, that’s for sure.
Perhaps fatherhood will “sunny” him ….
*whistles a jolly little tune to cheer self up*


Travis Bickle Says:

“So where are YOU from Travis Bickle?”
I am a taxi driver from NYC.

“I’m thinking some third world hell hole, or maybe you’re some kind of refugee.”
You were likely thinking of Hackney, but not I am not from there and try to stay as far away from it as possible. Doesn’t Hackney have a street called Murder Mile.

As far as being bright, based on the post of this site, I admit I can not compare to you – everyone knows you are the smartest and most articulate poster here…


mat4 Says:

@jane:

Nole got the record of most top 10 wins in a year: 25.

Another record: 13 finals in a row.

Another record: most MS1000 finals — 7.


mat4 Says:

@TB:

Your sense of irony is without equal under the sun…

;-)


Wog Boy Says:

What about 16.385 points (without tomorrow match) has anyone reached that number after conversion of points?


mat4 Says:

The second set was very good. Andy finally grasped that he had to finish points quickly, and he played well in rallies.

The difference was the serve.


jane Says:

i think he’s at 24 right now mat4. but one more top 10 win and he’ll pass it. what i’d still like to know is, what’s the most top 10 matches a player has played in a season, open era.


skeezer Says:

Rafa getting to a HC semi?
He’s back.


mat4 Says:

@WB:

Fed had (after conversion) 16155 at the end of the season. Go here:

http://secondserb.blogspot.rs/2015/09/greatest-tennis-seasons-ever.html


mat4 Says:

It’s Novak, 30 (24-6). Now he’s at 28 (you were right: 24-4).


Wog Boy Says:

@mat4,

Thanks, that one will be hard to crack, he has to stay almost petfect until the end of year in order to beat it..ohh well, we can’t have everything;)


Wog Boy Says:

Tsonga is top10 from last night.


Michael Says:

Margot @ 10.00 am,

Honestly, I didn’t expect such a thrashing for sure. It was a disappointing match by spectator’s standards who were expecting another marathon match between these two Gladiators. But the match really showed the brilliance of Novak on court who just outclassed Andy in every department. It was really a harsh and painful day for Andy who couldn’t serve well and get his first serves in and that inability, I would say contributed to this whacking.

I agree with Calmdown please, Andy was playing well below his best whereas Novak was in his peak form and the result a perfect whacking on court !!

Nevertheless, my commiserations to you Margot. I know that Andy is your favourite player and it is always disconsolating if they lose, but still life goes on and there are other tournaments to look forward to !!


jane Says:

mat4, “It’s Novak, 30 (24-6). ” what season?


Michael Says:

What are the chances of Tsonga against Novak ? I would say pretty dim if Novak exhibits the kind of form he showed against Andy. But Tsonga can take heart from the fact that every day is different and it is a new match. We never know for sure how Novak plays in the finals, but he definitely has the confidence, experience and momentum behind him and that is pretty hard to combat.

If Tsonga serves as well he did against Rafa, he has a slight chance to extend the match to three sets as otherwise I feel that it will be Novak all the way in straight sets with one tough set !!


mat4 Says:

@jane:

In 2013.


mat4 Says:

Sorry, Jane: in 2012 he played 34 matches against top tens: 24-10. It was in the previous thread.

Novak had 24 wins against top 10 players three times so far: in 2012, 2013 and 2015.


mat4 Says:

And I just went to the previous thread: I wrote that Novak was 21-4 in 2012, but it was in 2011. He was 24-10 in 2012.

He’s the only player to have played more that 30 matches against top 10 opposition in a year TWICE, and he will do it the third time this year most probably.


jane Says:

thanks mat4! i knew he must have been close or near to the top for matches versus top 10 opponents, not to mention wins in a season. so presuming he gets one more, then, that will be a stand alone records? 25 top 10 wins in a season?


mat4 Says:

On the Atp records page — the record is shared by Novak and Rafa with 24, with Novak making it three times. So, if he wins the 25th… Guess it’ll be a “standalone” here too.


mat4 Says:

@jane:

Hopefully, he’s a very lucky bast… playing in a weak era, so beating a top 10 is just like beating a top 40 in the time. Judging by the results, I mean.

But what can he do? Is it his fault his fiercest competitors are an old man and an always injured player (he now plays with a mental injury)… who also won 31 slams in weak eras and only on one surface.

So… Let’s enjoy this weak era before it gets to strong…


calmdownplease Says:

‘I am a taxi driver from NYC…’

A refugee!
I K.N.E.W it!

‘I admit I can not compare to you – everyone knows you are the smartest and most articulate poster here…’

Thank you!
I would never have said it myself, but I’ll take it anyway with humility too.
It’s probably the only sensible thing you’ve said here :)


calmdownplease Says:

‘And L—- is not coming back, that’s for sure’

He needs a MALE coach and a former slam winner.
And more than 2 or 3 or 4 slams to boot.
Enough with the PC BS, if it’s mental then it has to be someone he can truly relate to & be inspired by on a day to day basis…

THAT IS ALL B*TCHES!


Giles Says:

Joker fans gloating much. Just remember what goes up must come down! Hope this one comes down with one almighty thud!


jalep Says:

“PS: I know what’s wrong with Andy – he got his dates muddled – he thinks he’s in the WTF and he needs to get away fast because the DC is waiting..”

Oh thanks for that KatH. Made me smile — needed that. Just finished watching the Andole semi. And thought this:

1) It was not Andy, not the same Andy I watched beating Berdych in Shanghai QF — or, the Andy who won Montreal and Davis Cup this year vs France and Australia.

2) Novak is playing freaking unreal, just like Ben describes. He’s barely playable – perfection. Must become mentally exhausting if you’ve played him recently and lost, like Rafa, Roger, and Andy have — it’s a monumental feat to not be reduced to a deer in the headlights. Wins have been few and far between versus impeccable PhenomeNole in 2015.

Commies to Andy Fans on this loss, including the new Andy fan, Tatti, @ 4:46 pm.

Watching Tsonga v Rafa now.
Was wondering how Jo won ? It’s all in the 3rd set… scoreline from work didn’t look right.

Commiserations to Rafa Fans. But, if I was one, guessing I’d feel relieved for my guy at this point. Rafa v Novak in Beijing was a good showing, though. Lots of positives to take away for Rafa fans at the end of 2015.

Congrats to Rafa making WTF!

Radwanska into the Tianjin Final – yay!


mat4 Says:

I watched Jo vs Rafa. Jo, after the first break, let the second set go, to regroup in the third, when he was again the better player. He created his chances with courageous play.

Rafa played well and when he saved the first service game from 0-40 in the third set, I thought he would make it — but then Jo found another breath, remained composed and managed to break at 5-5, getting out of a few dangerous situations before.

At his best, Jo has always been the better player on fast courts — and despite Rafa’s good level, Jo’s serve and flatter shots made the difference.

Not to mention that Rafa is injured in the mental.


Giles Says:

mat4. Remember Karma. That’s all!


jalep Says:

mat4, I love Novak on court and off court as much as ever. Have not seen a better #1 –but it’s getting a bit rich for me — (read the other thread).

Not going to comment right now. Too tired.


peter Says:

the scenarios where this season is classified over federer’s 2006 points wise (16155), is nole

1. 16185 points
loses shanghai final
wins paris
wins WTF, losing 1 group match

2. 16185 points
wins shanghai
reaches paris finals
wins WTF, losing 1 group match

3. 16285 points
wins shanghai
wins paris
reaches WTF final, winning all group matches

from a tournament point of view, nole must win WTF final for this season to be better than federer’s 2006. Results at shanghai and paris do not matter since he is already at least 4W-3F in masters, over federer’s 4W-2F.

from a match win/loss perspective, it is impossible for nole to surpass federer’s 92-5. nole has already lost 5 matches this year.


mat4 Says:

@jalep:

When you have: weak era, old man, no opposition, mind games, unloved, unappreciated, etc. — it’s really not so simple to let it pass without reaction.

Then, Novak dominated in 2011, and then now, in 2015. It’s not like Federer who dominated 4 years in a row. In the meantime, Rafa won a lot in 2013, and Federer almost finished first in 2012. Wawrinka won two slams lately. And Novak hasn’t won RG yet, and he perhaps won’t ever win it.

So… is it so “rich”?

All the insidious attacks, the insinuations about gamesmanship, the continuous subversive bashing, need to be addressed, merit an answer.

Sorry, C., but you sometimes have to stand up for your fav.


J-Kath Says:

Peter @ 12.47

“Didums”


J-Kath Says:

Jalep – Glad you had a smile. And thanks for mentioning it.

Extraordinary: Andy went into that match like a scared bunny and came out as a scared rabbit…that’s good and bad….


J-Kath Says:

Oh Margot – Wales – they played so hard ….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Nice to have Tatti on board,new posters are always welcome ;)….


J-Kath Says:

Hi Tatti @ 4.46pm – Any Andy new fan is very welcome – I am personally p-ss-d – off with him right now – but guess what? I’m going to bet on him winning his next match against Nole (sorri-Nole fans- it has to happen – just as autumn gives way to winter et al)….

Hiya Jalep – know you’ll be watching. To Margot, come back, come back all is not lost – he’ll remember where he is next time.


chris ford1 Says:

J-Kath – I think betting on Andy to do well later is a good idea. Perhaps in Davis Cup. Now is not the time at the other events. I wouldn’t put a cent on Andy to win Paris-Bercy or the Barclay’s Final. (Even if Andy shows up which is questionable. And not Andy’s fault. The suits of the ATP, ITF, and Davis Cup host nation orgs blew it. )


jalep Says:

Dear mat4,

Yes it is rich. However, I fully agree with you about how Novak is on and off court – he’s my favorite #1 – ever, so far.

But … I’m skeptical of 2nd Serb including stats when he begins in 1990. Also, doubt one can form a reasonable opinion about Federer being better now than his prime unless A) you watched 2003- 2007 after the fact on youtube or other video sites for your conclusion. Or, your name is Roger Federer and must think it to continue playing. Tennis, on court, as it’s played now and off court, as to enlightenment for preparation, recovery, and training programs has changed too much; there are too many variables. It’s still apples to potatoes, not even apples to oranges when comparing tennis in Fed’s prime to tennis in 2015. B) Prime age in top ten has changed – stretched to include late twenties, maybe even to 31, but let’s wait and see. Mid 30′s? Still a bridge too far for those with a lot of mileage as a #1. **(new elements introduced into a body that has reached a level of tolerance to its usual ones, interests me)**

C) Tennis abstract also uses padding – he reveals his mathematical formula for it — yet, it’s still skewed and dodgy for long stretches of time purpose. Fun to look at – but not factual.

D) Like A, watching an era well after the fact, one will be naturally underwhelmed. The present game of tennis is more muscular, faster and more impressive visually. D) part 2: Being solidly anti-Federer during his era, not watching during that time; anti-Federer still at this point, is how weak era theory comes to be embraced as a brilliant idea for lots of readers.

E) Making a big deal of top 10 wins? Can be impressive – if the particular top 10 player in question is on the rise. But if his stock is falling or even stagnant (Berdych, Ferrer) for one of many reasons, or making a temporary appearance, top ten doesn’t look much different than weak era theory with lipstick on to me in essentials. Often it’s the opponent outside top ten playing surprisingly and with nothing to lose that makes the win harder, in terms of degree of difficulty, than than the worn ragged deer in the headlights’ top ten player can. More than top 10 warrants consideration.

Don’t mind me. Remember I was a Federer fan during his prime (hung on every match) and still am a fan of his tennis, not to the extent that I cheer him to win any more but like him in competition. Federer fans were not really happy with me in their club much of the time either. Fed talk also became a too rich for me. This is nothing new on the interwebs in tennis.

Lastly, Novak hardly needs defending by me. He’s got enough here doing that already and his level of tennis speaks for itself.

If I don’t respond to you, it’s not that I’m ignoring you, mat4. Very tired from working night shift the last 3 nights’. Begging your pardon.


jane Says:

jalep, i know you’re probably sleeping, but i just wanted to point out that the reason the top 10 wins became an issue at all – at least for me – is that people (in the most recent case thangs) have called novak “lucky”, “weak era” etc, when in fact, in numerous years (not just this one) he’s played and won the most ever matches vs top 10 opponents.

so for me it was more like using stats against irrational hogwash to show his level of competition has been the best of the best. he has won all slams but one against the other “big 4″ in the finals. i mean, jeepers! it probably wouldn’t've come up were it not for that comment. (or maybe, just in passing, shared in a friendly manner amongst the 4 or 5 longtime novak fans around here.) so i hope you’ll forgive us for standing up for him.

you say his level of tennis speaks for itself. but sadly that’s often not the case. he’s called robotic, untalented, ball-basher, machine like, lucky, boring, etc., etc.


J-Kath Says:

ChrisFord 1

Agree he will not win Barclays Year End – but the bet is going on for Paris – if he is still ranked No.2 – and obviously if he meets Novak – the vision has come to me that he will win – the vision is fuelled by Scotch Whisky – so obviously it will work……….I know you will agree….


mat4 Says:

@jalep:

This time I guess it’s all a big misunderstanding.

I wrote in my previous answer what’s the “stats discussion” between jane and me was all about — it was a kind of “trolling the trolls”, answering the hidden hate.

On other points:

I have watched tennis for decades. I am well aware that the sport has changed tremendously — not only the racquets, the balls, not only the preparation, the nutrition, but the structure of tournaments, the money, etc. It’s not the same sport. And it happened several times.

I don’t care who the “goat” is, nor do I try to compare apples with oranges. I am well aware of the different technological shifts — the ways it impacted the game and the career of many, even the greatest players.

But we can compare apples to apples, and in a cluster of indices, we can very well use the stats we can find on secondserb or heavytopspin. Here, I don’t agree with your assessment of the numbers Sackmann and Jared Pine give — they mean what they mean, nothing more, but nothing less. They have their value.

So, before I claimed that the top four played better than they did 8 years ago (I focused on Federer, Nadal and Djokovic) — I watched matches, or, at least, complete sets again. And I have also pondered about the facts that Federer played, until recently, with a model of racquet 15 years old, that Novak’s model is at least 5 (to 10) years old, that there is a permanent evolution in technology. I have taken in account how much injuries have slowed down Rafa’s and Andy’s improvements. I took in account luck, draws, schedules when I could.

But a comparison there was possible: depth, speed, angles, rotation. The players were the same, or almost the same. And there were a lot of data at our disposition. Taken together, it helped.

I also took in account the opinions of players, coaches, and even posters — many of you have influenced me and I have learned a lot on this blog.

My conclusion was that, with almost the same field, the game has changed for the better, and that players have tremendously improved, or at least adapted to the new technology. I wrote here that Federer of 2015, aged 25, would certainly have won against Federer 2005. I stick by this opinion.

Just a few more words. In the spare time I had, this summer, I worked as an assistant coach with two kids, and I was confronted after 35 years again with problems of technique, movements, anticipation, racquets, strings, and I learned a lot. Just trying not to let children acquire bad habits is a daunting task. I am very grateful to my son’s coach for his explanations and directives.

(BTW, it was very painful — not because of my health — but because my son is a lefty, playing with a Babolat racquet… I’ll stop here…)

So — no, I am not arguing here about who is the latest and the greatest — but I won’t let Novak’s achievements be underestimated. He’s an exceptional champion, and his dominance is almost like Federer’s in his peak years. Those two players, with Bjorn Borg, have dominated the field more than others, and that’s why I think that, from the middle seventies since I watch tennis, they are the best players, each in his epoch.


jane Says:

lovely post mat4. not addressed to me, but i hope you don’t mind my interjection. pensive and thoughtful. and kind, too, i think.


mat4 Says:

Of course not, j. jalep seems to be very tired.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Hi Mat4 night shifts are not only hard on the body but also on the mind,congrats to your favorite BTW….


mat4 Says:

GG:

I know, I work myself very often during the whole night.

Better times are coming for you too, Rafa, although he lost, played very well today, and his game has improved a lot.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Mat4 i didnt actually see either match today,as i was working,i have them on record,but hubby watches what he wants on an evening,as i have the monopoly of the TV if im home during the day,even though tennis is the only thing i watch,so with that in mind ill take your word for it,its been a positive week for Rafa,maybe it will continue or maybe not,hope so but time will tell i suppose….


jalep Says:

Hope you don’t mean that in a patronizing way, mat4 @ 4:46. Sleep deprivation is real — not contriving it.

Not too tired to enjoy Aga v Pliskova match, post my opinion and not at all feel emotional about it. I stand by what I’ve posted.

Thanks for taking the time, mat4 and jane. If both of you were not posting here — would jump in and defend Novak more. I get it, of course. Don’t agree with using the Federer better than ever – he can still peak for events and is competitive due to playing smarter/updating his racket; serve has improved. Age and mileage takes it’s toll though and in terms of recovery and pure physical performance — he’s not at 2005. Speculation about which Federer wins? It’s opinion.

Appreciate your response, jane. There probably will always be anti-Novaks. And they aren’t watching his tennis – it’s just the typical nonsense.


jane Says:

i get what you’re saying about age/recovery. that makes sense. glad you’re here jalep; stick around, tired or not. love your posts and thoughtfulness.


jane Says:

gypsy, i’ve missed a lot of shanghai too, but even going just by what i saw of rafa at bejing, i think he’s improving match by match and seems happier because of it too.


mat4 Says:

@jalep:

Since 2011 I worked myself 16 hours a day, with very little sleep. I got depressive, started eating without measure, took 50 pounds, and lost my health.

I didn’t mean to be patronizing — I felt you were depressive and that you need a good rest. A one month sleep. I know I needed it at the beginning of the year.

You’ve changed, lately, and it’s visible in your posts. I am just worry.


jalep Says:

oh, okay, mat4. But there’s no reason to worry about me. I’ve been giving this 7pm – 7am shift a try going on 7 months. Some nights’ are better than others. Never a dull moment and yeah, it can be depressing/frustrating. My weight has gone the opposite direction – no appetite. And my favorite clerk at the grocery store last week said I look anorexic and hyper; told her it was my new look for Halloween — death warmed over. 3 nights’ in a row at a very good pay rate may or may not be a good idea in the long run.

Tempted to bail on responsibilities and go be a ski instructor this winter. Love teaching kids to ski and fitting women with ski boots and the right equipment.

Anyway…will be fine to enjoy Shanghai final.


Wog Boy Says:

“Just remember what goes up must come down! Hope this one comes down with one almighty thud!”

I have no doubt in my mind that you know very well, from personal experience, how that “almighty thud” feels, you’ve been there few times and we are yet to experience it. I am really glad that vast majority of Nole fans who were following this Nole upside flight, fifth year now, were doing that with outmost dignity and respect for the other players and their fans as opposed to majority to Rafa fans in the part of year 2013 who flooded and contaminated this site.
I have no doubt in my mind that when Nole lands down nicely and softly, his fans will do the same, they will know how to do it too, in a dignified way as they were doing during this five years of No1e dominance in the tennis world.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep just to say i wasnt been patronizing either,i just know exactly how you feel….


mat4 Says:

In his last interview, JWT states the same thing I do about the level of play.

http://www.tennisactu.net/news-itw-jo-tsonga-djokovic-je-saurai-ce-que-je-vaux-shrolexmasters-nadal-tsonga-djokovic-tennis-46436.html

Merci, Jo, chavais kjavais raison.


Giles Says:

“who flooded and contaminated this site”. 👿 You are the only poster that has been contaminating this site with your vulgar comments and belligerence. You probably don’t know any better. Poor soul! 😡

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