Favorites Roll In Paris; Roger Federer v John Isner, Rafael Nadal v Kevin Anderson Thursday
by Staff | November 4th, 2015, 7:42 pm
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Coming off a title run in Basel with the championship win over Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer continued his ass-kicking, name-taking run in his opener at the Masters Paris on Wednesday, manhandling Italian Andreas Seppi, who has defeated him earlier this year in Australia, 6-1, 6-1 to advance to a meeting with American John Isner.

“It’s very pleasant to play matches like this one,” said Federer after logging 47 minutes of work for the day. “Of course, I like great battles, playing two, three, four, five hours. But 47 minutes is always very pleasant. You need to focus a lot for the very short time you are on the court, not to make any mistakes. I’m very happy with this mental performance.”

The No. 3 seed Federer improved to 59-9 on the year, and will take a 5-1 career record against Isner into the contest against the giant-serving American.

“Obviously indoors here in Paris he’s played well historically here, and I know it’s not going to be easy,” Federer said of the American. “I need to make sure I focus on my own game and see what I can do on his serve. There are only so many opportunities. That was the case at the US Open, I had to come up with some great shots at the right time to win that second‑set tiebreaker and have to wait for a long, long time to break him (Federer won 7-6, 7-6, 7-5). We will see how it goes tomorrow.”

The Swiss was one of seven of the Top 10 in action on the day, all winners with No. 2 Andy Murray rolling Borna Coric 6-1, 6-2; No. 5 Tomas Berdych struggling past Edouard Roger-Vasselin 6-3, 4-6, 7-5; No. 6 Kei Nishikori likewise needing to work to defeat Jeremy Chardy 7-6(4), 6-7(6), 6-1; No. 7 Rafa Nadal pounding nemesis Lukas Rosol 6-2, 6-2; No. 9 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga easing past Roberto Bautista Agut 6-2, 6-2; and No. 10 Richard Gasquet defeating Leonardo Mayer 6-2, 7-5.

Murray knew he needed to up his play after losing to Coric earlier this year.

“I thought I played a pretty good match,” Murray said. “I served well. I felt like I was able to move the ball around the court nicely and was able to dictate most of the points. Also when I wanted to step into the court, I had enough time to do that and was able to get the ball going through the surface. So it was a good start.”

Nadal, coming of a solid performance in the Basel final, said it was business as usual against Rosol, a player he has struggled mightily with over the years.

“I didn’t prepare differently,” the Spaniard said after beating Rosol in consecutive weeks. “It was just another match, a tough match against a difficult player. He’s always tough, but I was playing much better than I did last week in the first round. I played a solid match, not many mistakes. I served well and went for the points with my forehand.”

On the upset tip Bulgarian Grigor Dimitrov ousted No. 12 Marin Cilic 7-6(3), 7-6(2), and Serb Viktor Troicki came from a set down to beat No. 15 Feliciano Lopez 6-7(7), 7-5, 6-4.

No. 16 David Goffin cruised past Dusan Lajovic of Serbia 6-2, 6-2, and No. 11 Kevin Anderson came back to beat Dominic Thiem.

On Thursday, it’s Murray against David Goffin in a Davis Cup preview.

“The ball and the movements and everything are completely different on a clay court, and that’s why some guys play better on some surfaces than others,” Murray said of the Belgian. “So it’s obviously good to play against him. He’s ranked around 15 in the world, and the last 18 months really he’s been extremely consistent. He’s not the biggest guy on the tour, but he hits the ball clean off both sides. He’s quick around the court.”

Both Federer and Nadal have tall tests with the Swiss meeting John Isner and Nadal going up against Anderson. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga also faces Tomas Berdych and Novak Djokovic will look to continue his streak against Gilles Simon.

Stan Wawrinka collides with Viktor Troicki and if that’s not enough David Ferrer clashes with Grigor Dimitrov.

That’s all Top 10 players in action tomorrow!


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170 Comments for Favorites Roll In Paris; Roger Federer v John Isner, Rafael Nadal v Kevin Anderson Thursday

skeezer Says:

“a tough match against a difficult player. He’s always tough”.
Forgot “nearly impossible,” but he did remember the other part “always difficult(tough).”


Giles Says:

Geez!! skeezer still stalking Rafa. Is he a closet fan I wonder? 🙄


FedExpress Says:

who plays tennis 10.30am in the morning


FedExpress Says:

this court is a disgrace. how can slow a court so much down


FedExpress Says:

i hope the belgium team has prepared faster courts


J-Kath Says:

Well, Margot….Hopefully Andy’s performance will be replicated at Davis Cup.


Wog Boy Says:

This court really rewards players who play with a lot of spin, the ball with lot of spin bounces in the air with almost 90 degrees angle.


elina Says:

Roger is lucky Nadal isn’t in his quarter.

Some revenge will be in store should they meet but this tournament is on Novak’s racquet.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Every tournament is on Novaks raquet these days,the only time others have a chance is when hes not there,if hes in the tournament hes the favorite,if hes in the final hes the favorite,others have no option but to get used to it,like it or not the guys a machine and virtually unbeatable….


Daniel Says:

Second set and neither Djoko or Simon were able to hold serve, 6 straight breaks, bizarre!


FedExpress Says:

crap no.1. can even hold serve. tbh he played that crap all year but the opponents played crappier and couldnt take advantage.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Another thing is,he loses serve,but he doesnt panic,he loses a set and he doesnt panic,as he knows he will either break back,or win the next games or sets,hes very clear in his thinking and doesnt dwell on the negatives in his game,hes the best player right now because hes so good at living in the present moment….


FedExpress Says:

*cant


Gypsy Gal Says:

The greats of the game,can always win even when not playing their best….


skeezer Says:

Rafa is lucky he is not in Feds qtr. Ya know, indoor GOAT and all.


FedExpress Says:

sometimes i wish fed was no 15 of the world and could meet nole early and expose him


FedExpress Says:

one of the worst showcourt matches of the year where the no.1 was involved.

simon cant hold to save his life


FedExpress Says:

and this mug was a former top ten


jalep Says:

Enjoyed the 3 games I got to watch. Love both players, Giles and Nole.

There really isn’t any doubt who will win. And it does remind me of watching Federer 2004-2007 – as how secure I feel about Nole winning. But Novak is even more amiable with his opponents – at least at these tournaments. GS’s will be different. I don’t sense any stress at all.

Oh, darn. I see Kei lost again to Gasquet, lol…wonder why Kei can never beat Gasquet?

Come on Grigor!


Daniel Says:

Hope Roger meets Nadal again in London, which is pretty quick court;-)


FedExpress Says:

tell me one tournament this year where nole streamrolled his oppostion from start to finish. like fed did at cincy.


Jac Says:

Shanghai and Beijing last month? In the end it doesn’t matter, as long as he is last man standing. They don’t give extra points for steamrolling. Also hello everyone:)


Vami Says:

@FedExpress 10:11
I usually just skip your stupid post but sometimes I find myself reading them by mistake and shake my head. Are you actually watching any tennis at all or just simply trolling?

FYI: In Bejing 2015 nobody was able to get more than 2 games per set including the final vs Novak.

In Shanghai 2015 other than one set with Tomic that ended in a tiebreaker nobody else was able to take more than 3 games per set.


Ben Pronin Says:

Fedexpress, what’s up with your memory? Novak destroyed everyone in Beijing and Shanghai just a few weeks ago. Remember? Out of 10 matches he lost more than 4 games in a set just 2 times! If that’s not steamrolling then I don’t know what is.

This court is unbelievably slow. The ball bounces and dies. I’m not surprised at all the breaks since both guys return really well and the court does no one any favors with regards to penetration. But yeah, to be broken 5 times and still win in straight sets without even a tiebreaker tells a lot about how far ahead Novak is. Even with a subpar performance by his standards Simon was always playing from behind.

I can see why Murray is playing well here. This court appears to be perfect for him.

Novak has won 19 straight matches and 26 straight sets (a personal record). At some point you’re going to have to give him some credit. Like Jalep said, he’s in Fed 04-07 mode.


jalep Says:

FedExpress – Nole doesn’t have to be on a mission to steamroll everybody. He’s not desperate. He’s confident and appears to be enjoying himself. Djokovic doesn’t appear to using his best level – just cruising. Andy and Roger steamrolled their competition yesterday and the score looks like Andy rolled some pavement over Goffin today, but both Andy and Roger. are in a slightly different frame of mind: 1) both are in a mini battle for #2 before AO 2) Andy sent a message to Goffin today that he’s boss for Davis Cup. Federer let Seppi know again – no more losing to you at AO!

Giles Simon ain’t gonna beat Nole for quite some years. It’s like Roger and Seppi. Seppi finally gets a win last AO – Seppi had been beaten at every meeting for years — finally it happens — was so happy for Seppi.

Gilles may have to retire tennis with just his one win back in 2008 over Novak. Gilles being 31 and Nole 38…I guess it depends how they age in tennis.

And 2008 was a really great year for Simon, if you remember, FedEx. 2 wins over Roger, 1 win over Nole, and 1 win over Rafa, I think, maybe 2? 2007, Gilles got a win over Murray…maybe one in 2008 too…I forget. Simon can suss out just about any player in any draw except the top 4 plus maybe Stan. He the not quite the Radwanska of ATP but he would be if he had employed her magic – Simon run, run, runs…

You saw the failed Novak drop shot? tough to drop shot speedy Simon. Nole didn’t put enough back spin on it, it was an easy get for Gilou.


RZ Says:

2 quick wins over 2 decent opponents. Hope Murray can keep this up for the rest of the year. (Of course, the competition is just going to get tougher from now on)


jalep Says:

lol oops Nole is not 38…28…sheesh


calmdownplease Says:

`I can see why Murray is playing well here. This court appears to be perfect for him..’

More suitable for Djokovic obviously.
It’s just that Andy has played 2 blinders on it.
Not minding this kind of surface either thank you very much.


roy Says:

you have to understand the love/hate relationship fed fans have with djoker. he was their weapon of mass destruction against nadal, thwarting 3 slams and a wtf and a bunch of masters. nadal would be ‘GOAT’ right now without novak’s help.

see, they’d given up on fed winning more slams so didn’t mind djoker was now beating fed more often than not too. it was all about destroying nadal. but now federer is being thwarted in GS finals by the djokovic monster, lol.

careful what you wish for …


Ben Pronin Says:

I don’t think it’s more suitable for Djokovic. But right now it’s hard to find any surface that isn’t suitable for him.


Ben Pronin Says:

Roy, there are certainly some fans like this. But honestly I don’t remember Fedexpress ever liking Djokovic.


FedExpress Says:

shiit tennis from fed in this set. think he will lose if he doesmt find a way to break him


J-Kath Says:

Anyone surprised that John has taken the first set – on a TB of course?


FedExpress Says:

this is the problem for fed. if he cant the rythm early he struggles. and against a weal returner he is even struggling to hold serve


Daniel Says:

Court is so slow that even Isner is reaching some
Impossible balls for him.


Ben Pronin Says:

Not watching but when you play a million tiebreakers, you’re bound to win a few.

Interestingly enough neither guy is having trouble hitting lots of aces. If you can place your serve that well and hit it big, even a slow surface won’t deter you indoors. But because it’s slow, it actually helps Isner from the ground. Just a few extra seconds to set up his shots and hit some big ones so it’s not too surprising. I think Federer should still win but remember he lost to Raonic here last year, too.


jalep Says:

Not very surprised– J-Kath. Not expecting a slam dunk for Federer at all — even an Isner win won’t surprise me the way this one is going.

Not as good a court maybe for Feds. This court is looking ideal for Andy to get a win over Federer, if they both get that far.


Daniel Says:

Goat wannabe about to have a year with 20+ (let’s see how many matches he’ll lose on London) losses below his 30 yld and can only win small titles when he is top seed ever since 2014. Yeah right!!

Nadal hasn’t won a sinlge title since 2013 where he was not top seed in the draw (the 3 small titles this year) plus RG 2014, Madrid 2014, Rio 2014 and Doha 2014. Last time he won not being top seed was in 2013 North America summer.

He can’t beat top m


jalep Says:

RZ, are you following the results for Zhuhai?


FedExpress Says:

hahahah those 4 serves in a row from 2 bps from isner.


Ben Pronin Says:

I mean RG and Madrid are big titles. If he’s the top seed there then he’s number 1 in the world. Not sure how you can criticize him for winning those as the top seed.


Purcell Says:

As a seasoned tennis and Roger watcher it was clear from the outset that he’s a bit poorly.Very rarely see coughing, taking medication then bending over in some kind of distress.


Daniel Says:

I am not Ben, just to highlight there is a long time he doesn’t win as “underdog”. I am saying that past time he won titles, allhis title from 2014 and 2015 he was top seed. 2014 he was #1, so expevted to win everything (on paper;-) but this year if there is anynody higher ranked than him he loses. And I don’t see the patern changing anytime soon.

Wanna bet next title he will collect is gonna be next year SA clay swing?! Can’t see him winning Paris even with slow conditions beating Wawa (who likes slow), Djoko and Murray or Fed back to back. And if he didn’t won WTF in 2010 or 2013 (his best years, full of confidence), but facing better HC playee in Fed and Djoko he sure ain’t now. If he gets a tough group (with Djoko or Fed or Fed and Murray or Djoko and Murray depending on rankings) he can lose all matches.


Daniel Says:

I think Fed’s FH is great today. Isner is playing really well with a lot of deep shots whenever he can.


skeezer Says:

Isner has 16 aces so far…..that helps rhe cause..


jalep Says:

The score for Ferrer v Dimitrov looks like it’s a dog fight. Dimitrov got a break but it’s a battle at duece …Ferrer want to break back now – Dimi trying to hold.


Ben Pronin Says:

Interesting point. But you never know. He’s playing a lot better now than he was even a few months ago. Favorite/underdog are just labels for odds makers.


RZ Says:

@jalep – somewhat. Wondering what is up with Petkovic. I heard that Woz had cut her finger and playing with it caused a wrist injury.


jalep Says:

Ah…shoot! Ferrer got the broke – it’s even again — rather watch that match! Giant tennis…meh.


RZ Says:

There’s no Zhuhai thread right now but wanted to comment on something I just read on the WTA site. “If Venus wins the title, she’s not only guaranteed to get back into the Top 10, but she’ll go all the way up to No.7, passing Flavia Pennetta, Lucie Safarova, Angelique Kerber and Timea Bacsinszky.” It would be great for Venus to get back into the top 10, but…

…It seems odd that someone playing the Zhuhai tournament could end up with a higher year-end ranking than someone who played Singapore.


jalep Says:

Hi RZ, Didn’t know about the finger cut — just noticed Woz lost to Svetlana. That was Wozzie’s first match, she’s 0-1, and it means Kuzy is now 1-1. Woz needs to win her next match to stay in, I think.

http://www.flashscore.com/tennis/wta-singles/zhuhai/


Purcell Says:

Only giant tennis on one side.


FedExpress Says:

fed played so crap on bp.


jatin Says:

Both had 2 break points chances in the 3rd set, couldn’t capitalize.
Isner leads 3-2, hope fed can remain solid on his serve


jatin Says:

Inser is playing really well. Even his return game is good so far, going toe to toe with fed in rallies as well.
3-3


calmdownplease Says:

`I don’t think it’s more suitable for Djokovic. But right now it’s hard to find any surface that isn’t suitable for him..`

Groan!
So now the received wisdom a la Pronin is that Novak is not the favourite on slowish hard surfaces?
I mean honestly, not one person that watches Tennis and has heard everyone discuss this would say or suggest this.
The AO must have been faster than we thought then.
But whatever works as an argument on the day,
eh Ben?


calmdownplease Says:

I meant *not one consistently reasonable and rational person of course…


jatin Says:

Another break point chance came and go for fed, isner is serving impeccable in clutch moments.
4-3


Ben Pronin Says:

Paris isn’t “slowish”, it’s incredibly slow. The Australian Open isn’t as slow as everyone makes it out to be. It’s medium paced with, sometimes even quick. It’s not super slow and it’s very comparable to the US Open. The biggest difference is the bounce, where Australia has a higher one.

Paris, here, the bounce is high and the ball dies. The only time I remember watching a surface this slow was when the US played in Columbia for DC and they played on some ridiculous excuse of a clay court.

There’s no court I’d favor Murray, or anyone, over Djokovic. But I think this court suits Murray’s game better. I wouldn’t expect you to understand such a complex thought.


RZ Says:

@jatin – as a Fed fan I’m more than used to seeing him give away break chances. At least with Isner it’s usually a case of a big serve saving the break point rather than Fed messing it up.


FedExpress Says:

fed even nets 2nd serves


jalep Says:

Yeah…sort of expected a few things like that might happen, RZ. It is interesting. Actually I think it’s cool. But there’s some kinks to work out with the elite trophy idea. Flavia Pennetta made Singapore based on her US Open win, but really, not sure winning a GS alone should qualify anyone automatically for top 8. Pennetta was sort of lucky to remain in. Then only picked up 340 points in Singapore. There were several positioned to edge her out of Singapore, if they had been able to continue playing like, Bencic, Venus, Suarez-Navarro. In that case it would have been cool to me that Pennetta would still have had the Elite Trophy tournament had she missed Singapore. But Pennetta is supposedly retiring and done with tennis so none of this matters — Is she really for sure retiring?

And that’s why I like Zhuhai – my first reaction to it when heard about it was positive. Maybe there are more problems I’m not thinking about…pretty tired right now!


FedExpress Says:

15-30

this is it for fed. done.


FedExpress Says:

my heart. i dont wanna another tb.


calmdownplease Says:

`I wouldn’t expect you to understand such a complex thought..`

hehehe convoluted & disingenuous more like.
Always putting the PR spin on things like a good little Fedovich
The usual from you really.
Have you managed to get an ‘`even Murray’ in this thread somewhere too?
It wouldn’t be the same without at least 2 or 3 of them.
No, Slow surfaces are Novaks forte as everyone knows that isn’t spinning like a top.


calmdownplease Says:

And NO WAY is the AO EVER ‘QUICK’
At best it’s medium slow.


jatin Says:

Final set tiebreaker


FedExpress Says:

i wont watch the TB. i know the outcome. oneini break for isner will be enough.


FedExpress Says:

fed playing crap since the us open final. nole has mentally damaged feds tennis brain.ty


Daniel Says:

Isner serving great this tiebreak, Fed willneed luck to get a point on Isner serve


Daniel Says:

4 first serves by Ismer and 2 aces. 4 MP


FedExpress Says:

fed is a mental midget. no mental strength. deseserved to lose.


Daniel Says:

Got 1 mini break back, 3 MP saved. Isner serving with another MP, if he misses, maybe….


calmdownplease Says:

well well well
would have been better if Fed won but Isner one fair and square I suppose


Giles Says:

OH DIYAAA! 🤑
Well done Izzy boy!


Daniel Says:

And he got it, second win over Fed. Open draw for Ferrer and now seems Murray could be in finals. Greta chance for Murray to seal #2 for this year and get #2 for London avoiding Djoko and maybe even avoiding Fed. Suddenly this could be a great oportunity for Murray to finallymake finals in London.

Fed ahofting his focus to London now who suits him better. Let’s see in which group he’ll land there, Djoko or Murray’s.


calmdownplease Says:

oopps I mean ‘won’
oh lalala
Andy will take care of the servebot should they meet


jatin Says:

Congratulations John for an amazing performance, you deserved it.

Steve tignore of tennis.com was not kidding when he predicted fed to bow out even before the quarters. He said the same about rafa though, lets see how he handles the big serving kevin Anderson.

Fed played well though, just couldn’t handle john’s big serves in the tie breaker.


Purcell Says:

FedExpress just be quiet with your stupidly infuriating comments.


FedExpress Says:

that first bp in the 3rd cost fed. he could everything with it. to lose a match without gettont broken ist just immense. now see this isner mug losing to ferrer

fed is playing crap since the us open final.


FedExpress Says:

@purcell

i wont


calmdownplease Says:

Anyway re surface speeds it’s clear that Fed would have done better if Paris was still lightening fast.
Which it should be.
Isner’s serve is simply beyond court speed concerns unlike his giraffe like movement.


Daniel Says:

That’s why Isner and Karlovic always get some wins over top guys once in a while. They will lose most of the time but none like to play them.


Margot Says:

@Kath
Indeedy, no reason why Andy can’t keep this up for the Davis Cup. Did you see, apparently Goffin said he wasn’t motivated. Lol lulling Andy into a false sense of security…;) Petch was very droll, said something like, “Very clever from Goffin, not giving anything away.” Leif gave a bit of a snigger!
Wow, Big John doing Andy a bit of a favour there, re seedings. Ta v much Johnny.


Purcell Says:

Ok well say something that’s not stupidly infuriating.


Chrisford1 Says:

Ben -”There’s no court I’d favor Murray, or anyone, over Djokovic.”

I’d favor Fed at Cincinnati, Nadal at RG until this awful out of form year Nadal had.

===========
On Roger’s loss. Just another example of why everyone hates playing Isner.
===========
On Andy’s trashing of Goffin. Oddly, this puts pressure on Andy in Davis Cup where anything less than a blowout, especially *shudder* – a loss – gets labeled a giant Murray choke.


FedExpress Says:

why fed called the trainer btw?


calmdownplease Says:

Yes, thanks for that John and Y.E.S
Goffin was RAPED this morning!
Andy certainly sending out a message
I hope he wins this one actually.
He won’t be a factor at the WTF even if he could have been, for once.
Can’t even imagine what it would be like if Andy actually LOST DC this year!
And don’t want to.
I’ll get ahead of Ben Pronin and say that Novak might be a little tired for Paris this year, at least compared to Andy who seems fresher.
But once he gets to the finals he might just not surprise us and be up for it
Again.
Mr Consistency and all that.
And there is Andy’s little ‘mental’ events to always take into account regardless.


Ben Pronin Says:

Unfortunate loss for Federer. Not a big deal but that’s 2 back-to-back early exits at Masters. But he won Basel beating Nadal in the final so overall this fall season has been just fine for him.

CDP, are you off your meds again? I say the surface is perfect for Murray and somehow that gets your panties all twisted up. They’re not playing the AO right now. They’re playing in Paris where the court is ridiculously slow. If Simon can break Djokovic 5 times in 2 sets then I’m sure Murray can do something similar.

I don’t know what PR spin I’m putting on anything. And I don’t know what even Murray has to do with anything.


calmdownplease Says:

I don’t think so Chris
I personally don’t think Andy ‘chokes’ that much.
He mentally collapses during the match for reasons I have had a little think about now.
But I rarely see him give up a lead.
In fact right now he is 56-0 when winning the first set!


calmdownplease Says:

Shut up about me being in a tizz Pronin
That’s YOUR modus operandi around here
I’m just having fun with your nonsense, that’s all.


Giles Says:

Funny how old skeezer disappeared. You can come out now. 🤑


Ben Pronin Says:

CF1, eh.

Did anyone actually expect Goffin to challenge Murray in Davis Cup. It’s pretty foregone that Murray will win both of his matches.

CDP, always downplaying Murray’s chances just to boast about him later.


Ben Pronin Says:

Do you take speed when Murray wins his matches? What is your deal, dude. Seek help. plz.


FedExpress Says:

Carole Bouchard– ‏@carole_bouchard

Right arm issue for Federer. Felt it in Basel already. Not worried for London, has enough time to recover.


Margot Says:

@Ben
“Even Murray” is a well known put down of Andy on tx. Hence why CDP mentioned it.
@CDP
“Raped” not nice man! Even, especially actually, as a “joke.”


Ben Pronin Says:

From my perspective it’s a compliment :)


Margot Says:

Well, Ben, I am practically bald from tearing my hair out, every time I read “even Murray.”


Gypsy Gal Says:

Sorry Roger lost,didnt actually see the match,but it must be difficult returned all those serve bombs at the best of times,and especially if your not feeling too well,he can use the rest now to get ready for London and the WTFs,best of luck to him….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Sorry Returning all those serve bombs….


RZ Says:

@Ben and CF1 – I think Goffin has a chance to get a win over Murray at DC because of the surface and home court advantage.

@Margot – even Murray won 2 grand slams, Olympic gold, and multiple Masters titles! Because, you know, so many others have achieved the same.


Gypsy Gal Says:

With rememberance day in mind,its nice to see players with poppies on their shirts….


calmdownplease Says:

“Raped” not nice man! Even, especially actually, as a “joke.”

Oh okay then I’ll make sure not to use such an offensive description again.
(Fairly accurate however)

Thanks for your medical advice Ben
I’ll get ‘help’ when you get yourself a job

deal?


Gypsy Gal Says:

RZ Hopefully he will add the DC to his resume,he is still one of the best players on tour,will nothing left to prove in that regard….


calmdownplease Says:

`CDP, always downplaying Murray’s chances just to boast about him later..`

A poor analysis to be sure
It rarely works out like that.
And I (now pay attention)said I think he has a good shot here, but I am tempering it due to the false dawn of Shanghai were he ended up being an embarrassment after playing so well.
At least I’m not going on about how Novak isn’t a slow hard specialist when the world knows he is, just because he was a little off Today.
bwahahaha!


J-Kath Says:

Hi Margot

Yes, always liked John – like him even more (will be helpful for Andy’s No. 2 ranking). I see what you are saying re. Goffin and false sense of security – grins and smirks all round (do we really believe Goffin would be willing to “throw” the match if he had any sense of winning?) – no way…Andy won’t take anything for granted when he plays him at DC – it’s a 5-setter – if he’s been conned he’ll really get his dandruff itching IN TIME!


Ben Pronin Says:

If I’m currently at work does that mean you’re currently getting help? Because I don’t think you are so you got some catching up to do, buddy.

RZ, has a chance, maybe, but I’d still say Murray is the strong favorite. Even on clay. Although I agree that Goffin being at home does change the dynamic quite a bit. Davis Cup is pretty crazy. But it’s not like Goffin is some kind of great clay court player.


calmdownplease Says:

If Andy has dandruff he must speak to his chemist at once to resolve it as it could be a factor in the tie!
Perhaps his Psychiatrist can get him something a bit more effective than a OTC job to remedy it more quickly


RZ Says:

@GG – I hope so too! Also agree that it’s nice to see the remembrance day poppies.


calmdownplease Says:

What, you can post from Mcdonalds, then?!
Cool
Anyway, no amount of ‘help’ will ever make me think like you, that’s for sure
Perhaps a lobotomy would!
;)


Wog Boy Says:

For the record, umpteenth time, AO court is not slow, not medium slow, not even medium, but medium fast. Offical rating is 4 which is medium fast, but they even speed it up in a last two years, that even Andy commented, by laying it differently and changing the balls that now last longer and don’t get fluffy as previous ones, making them faster.

Offical rating of AO court:

Australian Open Plexicushion Prestige Category 4 – Medium-Fast

About Paris court, even blind Freddy can see that is playing slower than ever before with bounce higher than ever before, guess what, WTF is using identical surface as Paris masters, the question is whether they are going to lay it down same way Frenchies did?


Margot Says:

Lol RZ. Great comment re “even Murray!” I actually laughed in a kind of wry way.
Fortunately, re hair situation, I look absolutely gorgeous in a Downton type cloche….;)


Ben Pronin Says:

Wog Boy, even Murray???


Wog Boy Says:

Ohh sh$t, I am in trouble now:(


RZ Says:

If we all started adding hashtags to our posts on Tennis-X, #evenMurray would be trending.


Ben Pronin Says:

No hashtags, please. We don’t want hawkeye/elina going nuts again.


Ben Pronin Says:

In tennis news, Wawrinka won the first set over Troicki. And Berdych got the first over Tsonga. Kinda surprised about that one, actually, since Tsonga has had Berdych’s number for a while and also Berdych sucks.


Ben Pronin Says:

OK, Tsonga has not, in fact, had Berdych’s number for any time. But he did beat him most recently in their biggest match-up at the French.


calmdownplease Says:

@wb

ONLY RECENTLY!

And who better to take it away than the other slow court specialist himself, (or fed for that matter); http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/13/sports/tennis/13iht-speed13.html?_r=0

Novak, of course, disagrees (as well as Andy)
If AO is medium fast it must mean that Wimbledon USO are fast then?
It’s all relative
Although i expect the next thing your working up to saying is that the AO is the fastest FFS!
And W.T.F is all this bellyaching anyway!?
Is it now a slight to say Novak is comfortable on slower surfaces?


calmdownplease Says:

*as in VERY fast (which they are not anymore).


Ben Pronin Says:

What’s with your bellyaching about Paris not being perfectly suitable for Murray?


Margot Says:

@RZ
I’m up for it
#evenmurray


calmdownplease Says:

Nothing
No bellyaching either, just laughing.
Well, wry smiling actually.
You see, even when you talk about Murray or anyone else, it’s actually always more to do with a certain N Djokovic.
Isn’t it just Ben?
:)


Wog Boy Says:

CDP,

AO offical rating was medim fast since they changed the surface to plexicushion in 2008, the difference between old surface and new was bounce, new one had higher bouce and that is what suits Nole better, last two years they made it “even” faster, not just by laying it differently (AO denies that) but by changing the balls.


Ben Pronin Says:

Spot on, WB.

No, CDP. I can discuss other players without worrying about who I root for. Unlike you.


Ben Pronin Says:

Didn’t realize Anderson is facing Nadal. Anderson would’ve had a good shot at the upset a few months ago when he was playing really well and Rafa was not. But Rafa is the in-form player now. It’ll be interesting, though, to see how Anderson handles the top spin. If it starts coming up high on him then everyone else should probably get really worried.


jalep Says:

Interesting article, cdp:

Rafa complains, “Completely different conditions than what I remembered of this tournament, faster conditions that I ever played here in Australia,” Nadal said, his tone indicating displeasure with the perceived change.

Andy and Nole:
Djokovic, the defending men’s champion, said Sunday there was “not any major difference, anything significant that I would notice” from last year to this one. Andy Murray, a three-time finalist, echoed that sentiment a day earlier, saying conditions were “exactly the same.”

Maria Sharapova:
Maria Sharapova, who reached the semifinals in Brisbane, said that she played there on “one of the fastest courts we’ve played on in a really long time,” but that courts in Melbourne were “a bit slower.”

Federer:
“You can speed up the balls as much as you want, they’re going to be so fuzzed up after two games that it’s just going to be hard to hit winners and service winners,” he said. “If that’s what people want to see, just rallies, rallies, rallies all the time, then it’s good to have a slow court. If you want a bit more even ground for everybody, even the lower-ranked guys and more danger for the top guys, you go with a faster court. Maybe we’ll get more serve-and-volley back into the game or more of the unknown, which I think is nice.”

And Federer adds:
Federer, the No. 6 seed at the Open, also pointed out that conditions in the late rounds in Melbourne were altered by having the semifinal and final rounds played at night, which he said had “slowed down conditions drastically over time.” The semifinals first moved to night sessions in 2000, and the first men’s night final was in 2005.

More from Federer:
“I think it’s quite incredible how things have slowed down over the years,“ Federer said of the tour in general. “I remember when I came up on tour with Lleyton things were so different,” he said, referring to Lleyton Hewitt, who turned pro in 1998, the same year as Federer. “We had to change our games around to be able to still compete today.”


Ben Pronin Says:

Wawrinka and Berdych move on. Berdych will face Djokovic. Wawrinka gets the winner of Anderson and Nadal. Kinda wonder who he’d rather face.

Ferrer vs Isner and Gasquet vs Murray. Eh.


jalep Says:

Yeah Andy should come through both the next 2 matches: Gasquet hasn’t had a win over Andy since clay season 2012. Andy leads Ferrer 10-6. Last Ferrer win was in Shanghai 2014. Andy has dominated John Isner, 5-0

Would guess Ferrer beats Isner and Andy beats both Gasquet and Ferrer – will meet: Novak, Rafa, or Stan in the Final.

Wish we still had Masters 1000 bracket challenges :/


mat4 Says:

@Ben:

I agree with you and WB about the court speed, and who it suits more. If it is the same surface as in London — it was the last two years — it impacts the spin.

Since 2012, the AO is about the same speed as the USO. The number of aces in avg. is the same.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Hi Jalep,yeah i miss those :(….


Ben Pronin Says:

Mat4, I was looking at that link yesterday. I don’t think average number of aces is a good way to determine surface speed. We all agree Paris is crazy slow this year but Isner has 21 aces in his first match at 27 today and Federer had 12 I think. So the players who hit a lot of aces are still hitting a lot of aces.

But yeah, Australia is not the molasses people make it out to be.


mat4 Says:

@Ben:

I am aware of that, and that’s why I am trying to find Hawk Eye data if it’s possible. Paris and London are a perfect example — the court mostly impacts the spin, while flat shots are not slowed down as much.

But we don’t have a better set of data so far, and the number of aces is one of the rare thing we can compare.


J-Kath Says:

No matter the surface they all have to play on it, even Andy Murray!!!!


RZ Says:

Something related to court speed is the type of ball used. All Masters use the same type of ball, but other tournaments pick what brand of ball is used. Si.com had an article on it this week and about how it affects the players, even Andy Murray. #evenmurray


jalep Says:

Hi Gypsy! I work Thanksgiving Holiday extra and last night found out I get tonight and the weekend off! A couple friends are driving here to visit and we are going to celebrate the Holidays starting Friday night. Should be fun – one of my friends is from San Diego, the other one from Spokane, Wa.

Yep – don’t know why they stopped those Master’s bracket challenges. WTA has them and you can use social media to share results but I do really still suck at picking WTA…it’s tough!


Gypsy Gal Says:

Kevin Anderson has the game to trouble the top players,Stan always struggles against him,Murray lost to him at the USO,Novak had to come from two sets down at Wimbledon,and now Rafas got to do it the hard way now to get through,bi hitters seem to trouble even the worlds best sometimes….


jalep Says:

If I had been able to pick a Paris Bracket I would have picked *even* Andy Murray to the Final.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep i hope you and your friends have a nice weekend,sounds like you need and deserve a break from working so hard anyway,ENJOY YOURSELF ;)….


Wog Boy Says:

As much as it might look strange but this kind of surface suits servers like Isner, Raonic, Anderson due to their height and type of their respective games. They still send their bombs and due to angle they come down, due to their height, the balls bounce even higher on this high bouncing court, so the shorter players are in trouble unless they pick them up very early which is not easy, at the same time the bounce doesn’t trouble them and they have more time for their shots since they need more time than shorter players. Does this make any sense .. probably not?


Ben Pronin Says:

Forgot about the match… surprised to see Anderson won the first set. Anyone watching?

RZ, very true. Thanks for the link, I’ll give it a read.

Something something even Murray.


jalep Says:

Thanks, Gypsy. It will be fun – especially because these friends are foodies and I’m usually not, plus, normally too cheap to dine out, but this being our “presents” to each other — will splurge a little and go to a movie, too, I hope. It’s cold and stormy here and two of us like driving in snow, lol…maybe we’ll go on a little adventure. :D very excited about it. HOW’s the studying going?


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep its might sound like blashemy here to say this, but when im on one of my spiritual retreats the last thing i think about is tennis,eek ill dive for cover now lol,and the studying is slow,but ive just completed another two units(sigh)….


jalep Says:

Was on the phone – forgot the match was on too.lol
I just figure Rafa will beat this rather agile Giant. Not an Anderson fan.

As I’ve said many times before – I do cheer for “yershay” Janowicz and he famously made the final at Bercy 3 years ago, right? But didn’t Ferrer win that one? my mind is blank right now.


RZ Says:

@Jalep – yes, Ferrer won that one. It was one of the few instances of solidarity among the majority of Tennis-X posters since just about all of us were pulling for him to win the tournament when all of the big 4, even Murray, lost early or didn’t play.


Ben Pronin Says:

I always knew Janowicz was terrible.


jalep Says:

He’s 24, has a hot girlfriend, still close to top 50; still hope for him unless the gf breaks his heart; Yershay seems sensitive to me. Complicated.

He lost to Bedene in the final qualifying round here.


jalep Says:

Fall of 2012 – wasn’t posting or watching much that fall, I don’t think. The picture of Yershay and Ferrer comes to mind though…Daveed and Goliath.


jalep Says:

How many times did Safin win this tournament? I remember him retiring here 2009


jalep Says:

Rafa is fighting… he’s gonna win this set.


Wog Boy Says:

Time for Anderson to choke.


green900 Says:

that was madness, how nadal won the two points when he was down 5-6. talk about clutch play!


Ben Pronin Says:

Safin won it 3 times.

Had to put the match away at 5-6 in the set and came back to see Nadal win set point. Were match points squandered?

Nadal, with his monstrous celebration after winning the second set…


jalep Says:

One more set…Rafa’s feeling ready for this. Stan next for him! hehehe…it’s getting good.

Was thinking the Stan v Rafa quarterfinal would happen! Thought we’d get Murray v Federer too, but…


jalep Says:

I’m a bit distracted, but I don’t think match points were squandered… Kevin had leveled the tie break, I think? But Rafa was perfectly calm and confident. Pretty much over…

Do you think this court was faster in Safin’s day, Ben?


Gypsy Gal Says:

Thanks green900,i must say its nice for a change to hear Rafa getting credit for playing well when MP down,rather than hearing the usual Rafa got lucky blahdy blah as thats whats irritating for his fans,like J-Kath and Margot with the even Murray never ending remarks….


Ben Pronin Says:

Jalep, the court was 1000 times faster when Safin was winning it. Not only was it faster, but it was on carpet, the way it should still be.


Ben Pronin Says:

Nadal saved 2 match points, apparently with some daring net play, too.


jalep Says:

lol, I have no excuse – the match is on my TV but trying to multi-task. Guess I’m simply assuming Rafa is going to win. #Rafa got lucky, # even Murray can do it. ;) ;)


Emily Says:

Great hold from Rafa, Anderson has had a lot of opportunities, but Nadal is looking confident


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep my little Yorkshire *ss off####;) ;) ;)….


mat4 Says:

A great article about surface speed, the best I’ve found so far:

https://fogmountaintennis.wordpress.com/2014/04/11/court-speed/


mat4 Says:

Here is the author conclusion:

“The influence of topspin on how balls bounce and the extent to which court surfaces affect play during a match is usually overlooked by fans and pundits. Modern synthetic racket strings are more elastic and create less friction where they rub against each other, allowing them to return more of the energy of a player’s swing to the ball, and making it easier for more players to generate more spin. Topspin is defined as spin in which the top surface of the ball is rotating in the same direction as the ball’s linear motion. Therefore defending players have to swing their rackets faster to effectively return heavy topspin shots, because they must reverse the spin their opponents put on the ball in order to flatten out a shot or create topspin of their own. As players start using more topspin, it creates an arms race in which more players adopt slick new strings and make more effort to develop more topspin. The result is that most tour-level matches today occur between players using significant topspin at least part of the time, and in such matches the differences in friction between various surfaces may have little enough effect to go unnoticed by players and fans alike.

If many matches nowadays seem to unfold in similar ways on different surfaces, the effect of increasing topspin probably bears more responsibility for it than any conspiracy to homogenize court surfaces. Blame the string manufacturers, not the court surface technicians or tournament directors.”


Ben Pronin Says:

That is a great article but… he didn’t provide a definitive ranking!


jalep Says:

GG, you know, I’m joking :D Cheering for Rafa to win this. But this may be the last time I cheer for Rafa, okay? Been doing a bit too much of that this fall and not going to make a habit of it — he’s headed for Nole …


RZ Says:

@GG – based on your 5:25pm post, I have to point out that Rafa won in 3 when even Murray won in 2. (Sorry couldn’t resist – had to keep the “even Murray” thread relevant).


J-Kath Says:

RZ – Well done – You got the last word(s) in. Rest in peace “evenMurray”.

Three cheers/God save the Queen….etc. etc.. AMEN.


Mike Says:

Isner wons. What a pity!
Murray was cool. What a surprise!
Haha but expers had predicted it!

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