Is There Anyone Who Can Stop Novak Djokovic In London? ATP Finals Preview
by Sean Randall | November 14th, 2015, 4:30 pm
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The big question this upcoming week in London is, is anyone capable of denying Novak Djokovic a fourth straight ATP Finals title? My short answer is: No!

Right now Djokovic is playing just too good. He’s won his last 22 matches and 37 straight indoors (that’s right!). He’s too motivated and he’s won the London ATP Finals title the last three years. That’s 15 straight match wins at the event which is pretty good. But then when you remember these are all wins over TOP 10 PLAYERS and that streak becomes WOW!

So no, I don’t see anyone taking the title away from him this year, not in his form. I do think he’ll be tested along the way.

First, the groups:
STAN SMITH
Novak Djokovic
Roger Federer
Tomas Berdych
Kei Nishikori

ILIE NASTASE
Andy Murray
Stan Wawrinka
Rafael Nadal
David Ferrer

Things came out pretty balanced. I would have liked to have seen Djokovic and Federer in separate groups since they are the two favorites, but it’s very reasonable.

Now for the breakdowns and a few picks, pans and predictions:

STAN SMITH
Obviously very top heavy with the only two former champions in the field those two being the tournament favorites Djokovic and Federer. With Nishikori’s injury issues the last month, he’s in trouble. Berdych can maybe create some trouble, otherwise it’s going to end up Djokovic followed by Federer. Bet against that at your peril.

Djokovic (3-0): Maybe Berdych and/or Roger can steal a set, that’s about it. Both of those guys have given Novak some problems of late. And maybe he lets down on Thursday having already clinched a semi. Still, even though it’s the tougher group, he’s just in too good form right now.
Federer (2-1): There’s some danger with Berdych and like I said I think he can give Novak some issues. A win over Novak wouldn’t shock me, however a straight win would. That said, I think every match will be a dogfight, even against Nishikori.
Berdych (1-2): Indoors is his best surface, so he should feel go about himself. That is, or was, until he saw what group he’s in. Too bad, Tomas. I think he’ll beat Nishikori and give Djokovic and Federer both some hell, but as usual he’ll come up just short in the end.
Nishikori (0-3): With his lack of play confidence plus injuries, it’s going to be a tough week for him which is too bad. If he can get and stay healthy he should be fun to watch.
Swing match: Federer v Berdych
Group winner: Novak Djokovic
Group runner-up: Roger Federer

ILIE NASTASE
While Stan Smith has two crystal clear favorites, the Nastase group is wide open with zero former champions. I could see anyone, even Ferrer, getting through. Ferrer’s been playing surprisingly well this fall, so he won’t be the pushover some think he’ll be. The question is, with the Davis Cup final on the horizon, how much energy will Murray commit to the event? 100%? 80%? To me, I don’t think he’ll wear himself out pushing it in London. At least that’s what I’m betting on here.

Stan Wawrinka (2-1): If he’s on he’ll get through. With Stan, though, it’s hard to know. He’s vastly improved indoors and on hardcourts, but consistency remains an issue. As such, he’s the real wildcard of the event.
Andy Murray (2-1): I just think he’s too focused on Davis Cup to leave a major mark here. And he’s struggled at the event in recent years (2-5 the last 3 years). That said, he’s been playing too well of late to ignore, so he sneaks in.
Rafael Nadal (1-2): A lot depends on Murray here. If he beats Murray or if the Scot goes in the tank he’ll get in.
David Ferrer (1-2): Credit for making it back and playing some great tennis down the stretch. However, since none of his matches will be on his racquet in this group, he’ll need a lot of help to advance. That said, the three in his group could certainly oblige.
Swing match: Murray v Nadal
Group winner: Stan Wawrinka
Group runner-up: Andy Murray

Semifinals: Djokovic d Murray, Federer d Wawrinka
Federer: Djokovic d Federer 7-6, 7-5

Again, Djokovic is the big favorite here with Federer being the only other guy I could see winning. For tennis’s sake, I do hope Nadal can make an impression and he and his camp have to be thrilled about the group he’s in. And if Stan’s off and Murray’s saving himself for Davis Cup, then Rafa will be playing next weekend.

Tomorrow, we’ll have Novak and Kei then Roger and Tomas. You have to like Novak and Roger, but Berdych, as I said could really set the tone with an upset.

On Monday, we’ll see where Murray’s interest lies when he plays Ferrer. Then the best of the early wave of round robin matches with Nadal and Wawrinka. In that one we’ll see where Wawrinka is at.

In addition to Novak trying to end one of his best seasons in style, Murray is trying to something he’s never done, and that is finish No. 2. But can he fend off Federer?

Tennis Channel has live coverage starting Sunday. ESPN2 takes over I believe on Thursday.


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160 Comments for Is There Anyone Who Can Stop Novak Djokovic In London? ATP Finals Preview

DRankin Says:

Andy ll be soo relaxed because he doesn t really care about this tournament that he ll probably do very well


Ben Pronin Says:

Technically it’s only 14 straight wins at the event but yeah. Almost seems too easy to say Novak will win without a second thought.


jalep Says:

Novak/Rafa H2H is 3-2 on Indoor Hard Court. Rafa has not won an (indoor hc) match against Novak since 2010.

Hard court overall H2H Novak/Rafa = 15-6

History on HC:

2007 – Novak/Rafa H2H hc 2-2
Rafa – Indian Wells
Novak – Miami
Novak – Canada
Rafa – Masters Cup Indoor hc (1st meeting Indoor hc)

2008 – Novak/Rafa H2H hc 2-0. Total hc = 4-2
Novak – Indian Wells
Novak – Cincinnati

2009 – Novak/Rafa H2H hc 3-0. Total hc = 7-2. Nole surging ahead.
Novak – Cincinnati
Novak – Paris (Second meeting Indoor hc)
Novak – London WTF (Third meeting Indoor hc)

2010 – Novak/Rafa H2H hc 0-2. Total hc = 7-4. Rafa gains ground back on hard courts.
Rafa – US Open*
Rafa – London WTF (Fourth meeting Indoor hc)

2011 – Novak/Rafa H2H hc 3-0. Total hc = 10-4. Novak surges ahead again.
Novak – Indian Wells
Novak – Miami
Novak – US Open*

2012 – Novak/Rafa H2H hc 1-0. Total hc = 11-4. Only one meeting on hc really?
Novak – Australian Open*

2013 – Novak/Rafa H2H hc 2-2. Total hc = 13-6. Almost looked like a Rafa comeback – another GS HC win for Rafa.
Rafa – Canada
Rafa – US Open*
Novak – Beijing
Novak – London WTF (Fifth meeting Indoor hc)

2014 – Novak/Rafa H2H hc 1-0. Total hc 14-6.
Novak – Miami

2015 – Novak/Rafa H2H hc 0-1. Total hc 15-6.
Novak – Beijing

To be continued…
* denotes GS hc win.

Please feel free to correct me…did this looking at ATP h2h page. And I’m in pain!


jane Says:

why are you in pain? :(


jalep Says:

My head hurts, jane. Not enough sleep again. Eyes are permanently crossed from looking at the ATP h2h page.

I’m looking at the details of Fedole now. But…I don’t really care about that hc one. It’s the subject of, “can anyone stop Nole?” Not very likely is my answer; but if someone did? Wish it to be a new WTF winner. Thus did the Rafole h2h. Let’s say if Rafa did win? No more Rafa and Rafa fans complaining, my guess :D

Of course I won’t be unhappy if Nole wins!


Gypsy Gal Says:

Is there anyone that can stop Novak?doubt it….


jalep Says:

Hi GG, ;)
Rafa has a chance if he continues to play like he has this Fall.


Wog Boy Says:

I look at this WTF this way. Nishikori has the game to trouble Nole on this surface, his h2h is 2:4 and he bageled Nole in Basel and won comfortably at USO, Betdych played great in Paris and the surface is the same in London, do I have to say anything about Roger, he always plays his best tennis against Nole and it is indoor.
One match at the time, first Nishikori, besides, first match at WTF is extremly important, it sets the tone for the the rest of the tournament, good luck to everyone, especially No1e.


Wog Boy Says:

Rafa will storm through his group, mark my words. It is the matter of who will he play in SF and not whether he’ll play.


jalep Says:

^ true, Wog Boy. We’ll see how Kei comes out swinging. His season since USO has not been that good. Almost would rather have seen Gasquet make the final 8.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Hi Jalep time will tell ;)….

Wogboy like your summary ;)….


jalep Says:

Gee, I get no kudos for doing that hc Rafole h2h? Like I’d get any from Rafans, lol, but it had to be done. Needed to see it for myself.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep kudos to you for those stats lol….


jalep Says:

Gee, thanks, GG! Had to beg for it ;)
Any requests for another hc h2h breakdown before I pass out?


Wog Boy Says:

jalep,
Kudos for doing it:) Keep in mind that Rafa missed almost entire HC season twice (2012, 2014), Nole never missed clay court season, or any other season for that matter, Mr Consistency.


jalep Says:

Thanks, Wog Boy. :)

Well, I tried not to include too much story in my h2h hc facts, not that I didn’t think about all kinds of stuff. Of course in every h2h there are two sides to the human story. Numbers can appear rather cold and harsh – depending.


jalep Says:

What stood out to me is, yes. 2012


jalep Says:

2012 Rafa won all three meetings on clay. But didn’t Nole have a personal loss in the spring? Andy yes, in the fall Rafa had an appendectomy?

2014 – I don’t remember what the deal was with either of them other than Nole lost FO again but won Wimbles and became a daddy in Oct. Oh yes, Rafa was injured during his loss to Stan at AO. Asterisk noted but time tends to make asterisks disappear somewhat.


Okiegal Says:

Is there anyone who can stop Novak? NO!!


jalep Says:

Probably don’t feel all that sympathetic about personal issues with their schedules h2h’s and win/loss ratio’s if the player I’m looking at won a GS or two over the course of the season. ;)


jalep Says:

Hi, Okiegal. That’s an emphatic “NO!!”
But sometime…who predicted Stan or Cilic would win a GS in 2014? (wish I would have! and put money on it)


jane Says:

jalep kudos indeed for the h2h; i like your little commentary on the side the best. :) sorry your head is hurting. mine is too, for different reasons.

i feel quite saited by novak’s year and thus not too invested in his results here. of course it would be great to see him win, but i won’t be too sad if he can’t finish with another win. how could any novak fan complain with the year he’s compiled. it’s been wondrous.

i could see stan or rafa winning, if not fed or novak. murray too of course, but i do wonder if his head is already at DC. then again, as someone else said, perhaps knowing it’s not a priority will allow him to play freely and surprise everyone? who knows…


Travis Bickle Says:

I thing that 7 of the Top 8 could stop Novak, they are all great players.The only one that absolutely cannot beat Novak (currently) is Nadal, because of his style, he isn’t capable of hitting winners and relies too much on opponent’s errors (tio Tony’s school of tennis).
Other 7 guys could beat Novak with the following stats:
1. 20 or more winners per set
2. under 10 UFEs per set
3. first serve % at least 80%
4. more than 50% second serve points won
5. more than 75% of total points played under 7 shots
6. at least 12 net points per set with more than 80% of them won
7. fair audience (Nole now uses hostile audience to his advantage)

and most importantly…
8. Novak is slightly off his peak game.

The problem is these condition have to occur simultaneously, so only few of them occurring would not be enough to beat him. But it dis happen handful of times this year and could happen in London – after all, these are the very best tennis players trying to stop Novak.

Also, if I have to rate my 8 conditions listed above, I would say that the #8 is the most important.


Okiegal Says:

@jalep…..I am emphatic! He’s the stud of tennis atm….I can’t see anyone beating him. Seems like he plays just as hard as he needs to, to get the win. If he does happen to lose a set…..big deal…..He just keeps on keeping on doing what he does best…..focusing!! He is so good at holding his nerves in check…….a great champion!


Dave Says:

I would have to add Ferrer to that list. He absolutely doesn’t have the game to beat Nole, even if Nole is off a bit.


jac Says:

After watching Paris, where Novak didn’t really play well, yet he still won. I think everyone from top4 can stop him…if given chance. A lot depends of Novak endurance, I think beating him currently requires more than 1 player, someone needs to bring him to his limits so someone else may win.


Chrisford1 Says:

Matches will be the two youngest, Nishikori and Djokovic, then the 1st and 3rd oldest players now in their 30s (Federer and Berdych).

Kei might be rusty, but he has a lot of talent and sometimes it shows as he dazzles with his speed and backhand. Enough to make Nole work hard, even take the Djoker if he is having a poor outing.

And?? It should be noted that Berdych has given Federer a tough challenge many times, and has knocked Roger out of tournaments before.

Both matches are important and can yield a surprise..


Pauly Says:

Nadal might not win a game
Forget ferrer also
Murray has his mind on Davis cup
Wawrinka if he gets on a hot streak can make the final

Federer if he is on can make the final
Djokovic will be hard to beat
Berdych forget him
Nishikori forget him also

Personally I think
Djokovic vs Federer
Only way for Roger to win he must play his best


James Says:

So the only player who has beaten Djokovic 23 times and has a positive head to head against the Serb is now the only player who can’t beat Novak? Makes sense lol.
Nadal can and will beat Djokovic again, including in Slams. He’s on his way up again. He’s actually playing one of his best fall seasons.


James Says:

I haven’t posted on here for over a year but I see that there’s another poster with the same James moniker who has been posting on here. I’ll probably changed mine to James1 or something to avoid confusion.


Giles Says:

James @ 4.02 am. Hey James. I’m glad you cleared that up. I must admit I was highly disappointed in the turnaround of your posts. I was not to know that it wasn’t you the Rafan posting the derogatory posts and yes, maybe you should change your moniker to James 1 for example. Glad you’re back. 😜


danica Says:

James,
the H2H statistic shouldn’t be taken into consideration here. Indeed, Rafa beat Novak 23 times and has a positive H2H but c’mon, that is a span of some 10 years. The reason Rafa is not currently included in a “can’t beat Novak” group is their form as of now. This year it was Nole who beat Rafa 3 out of 3 times. I think this year’s statistic speaks more than a H2H one. Of course, I do believe Rafa will beat Novak at some point, it can even be on this tournament! However, my feeling is that it won’t happen yet.

As for groups, in random order:
Nole and Roger
Rafa and Stan
I think Rafa is picking up pace while Andy has his goals set on another big prize.

Can anyone stop Nole? Of course they can! A lot can happen. Berdych played Nole quite close in Paris, it is never easy against Roger, and Kei is in a way Nole’s Mini me. He may be a bit rusty but we will see soon enough. And this is just Nole’s group!!!

Let us see what form is shown today. Then, it will be easier to judge.


Pauly Says:

Nole is in top form & only Federer or Wawrinka can beat him if they’re playing at their best but as for Nadal ?
No way … It’s not clay it’s indoors plus hardcourt which is his weakest surface !

Nadal hopeful in 2016 of getting back to his Best But for now it’s the Nole show 👏👏👏


jalep Says:

@James, yes Rafa has a chance, of course. The reason I did the detailed hard court h2h was to see how they’ve don historically on hard courts, particularly in indoor hard court season. Rafa has not won an indoor hard court tournament vs Rafa since 2010. Nole has slowly and steadily built a lead on hard courts of any type over the years — that’s 15-6

It’s not grass or clay season, so I did a detailed hard court Nole/Rafa h2h above on this thread. I think Rafa could be Nole’s most dangerous contender.

When Rafa fans brag about an overall h2h lead that’s fine but it’s not always relevant when a player is gaining on him year by year on all surfaces, especially hard court. Their overall all-court h2h puts Nole behind by one match! The momentum on hard court has been with Nole. 2011 the momentum was with Nole on all surfaces. Rafa does a good job fighting – I don’t count him out even on hard court indoors.


J-Kath Says:

Nole is certainly dominant and should win…but I think Stan will take a lot of beating…and is the most likely of all other contestants to do so.


Daniel Says:

Djoko already a break up playing same level as Paris.


senorita Says:

Is there anyone who plays more boring tennis than Djokovic? It’s no wonder the crowd haven’t taken to him.


FedExpress Says:

another slow court. tennis died.

wtf happened to the tennis tour? why the hate towards fast courts.


FedExpress Says:

why not play on clay when it doesnt make a difference


FedExpress Says:

whats the point in slowing down everything?


FedExpress Says:

ffs go home nishi u useless mug


jalep Says:

Did not expect Kei to get the 1st set. The chance isn’t great but maybe he’ll do better 2nd set. If he doesn’t…over in 2, just like that!


FedExpress Says:

i am for that basel helds the next WTF. or back to houston or shanghai. but not london.


FedExpress Says:

if feds era was weak noles era is the weakest


senorita Says:

It’s London until 2018.


FedExpress Says:

shake hands nishi and withdrew from the tournament. gasquet would be more useful


Ben Pronin Says:

I don’t think the court is that slow here. Not super fast but pretty normal, especially compared to Paris.

Boring tennis? I guess crazy winners from crazy positions is boring when Nadal isn’t the one hitting them.


Giles Says:

Lol. Even at the O2 there’s no crowd support for joker.


FedExpress Says:

6-1 4-1 game over

u pay for this crap


Travis Bickle Says:

Boring tennis, slow courts, …

Instead of enjoying the fact that we are witnessing the greatness, some of commenters let their pettiness ruin the experience.

Friendly suggestion: turn off your TVs and spare yourselves from mental anguish.

Meanwhile normal folks will continue to enjoy this level of tennis never displayed before!


FedExpress Says:

who said it was never displayed before. started watching tennis in 2011 or what?


Giles Says:

TB. FOS as usual! Lol


senorita Says:

Travis Bickie, I see you are easily pleased.


Giles Says:

Fed Cup is more exciting folks if you want to switch channels.


senorita Says:

Giles Says:
Lol. Even at the O2 there’s no crowd support for joker.

November 15th, 2015 at 10:09 am

——-
Humans don’t like robots.


Ben Pronin Says:

When Federer beats Seppi 1 and 1 it’s “OH EM GAWD HE’S GOATMODE FEDERER SO GUD WOW.”

Djokovic dominates the 8th best player and it’s boring? OK.


Ngentot Says:

@FedExpress, Giles & Senorita,

Guys, next time No1e plays, you’d better turn your TV off. You won’t be able to handle it. His greatness is too hot for you to handle right now.


Vami Says:

Novak was unplayable. He wanted to make a statement, never lifted his foot off of the gas pedal. Poor Kei didn’t have one easy service game.

Injuries were not a factor. The result shows the difference between the #1 and #8 at the end of 2015.


Travis Bickle Says:

giles, I noticed on an earlier thread you hoped Djoker gets injured.
Is that the only way you can think of your wet dream getting back to No.1?

No mas amigo…

For you, there are only two options remaining:
1. Watch Djoker dismantle everyone including your wet dream boy
2. Stop watching tennis and switch exclusively to underwear adds – that is where Rafaelito is excelling these days


senorita Says:

Anyone who was impressed by the scoreline in that match needs to get out more. Kei was expected to pull out, wasn’t he? Everyone was expecting Gasquet to take his place. Gasquet is in the house, in case he’s needed.


senorita Says:

I just feel sorry for the people who paid to watch this non event.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Novak is in sensational form,so lets just appreciate what we are seeing,and nice homage at the presentation to the Paris victims,so with that in mind cant we just get along and just enjoy the tournament,why bring so much hate into sport when surely theres enough of that going on in the real world?….


jalep Says:

I did fall asleep but that has nothing to do with the tennis! Will watch and enjoy later.

Congrats Nole! 61 61. Wow.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Just come home from work,and it was all over lol,so didnt see any of the match,is Kei still struggling physically with some injury?bad time to play Nole if he was….


Vami Says:

@senorita 10:44
I don’t feel sorry for your pain due to the “non-event’s” result. Novak lost 2 only games. Novak lost only 2 games. Nov…


Giles Says:

TB. Your posts get classier by the minute. NOT! You can rant as much as you like with the crudeness that is second nature to you. I shall not stoop to your level. Sh!te is sh!te! Have a nice day.


Chrisford1 Says:

Too bad some Rafa and Fed fans are mired in bitterness that Fedal has long since passed, and Djokovic is ascendant over a still very good Federer and a Nadal who is capable of yet another comeback.

But though those things can happen, this is now. And the field faces a stoked up, hungry to win, Djokovic. Who is playing the best he has ever played , and truly fulfilling those players and coaches who saw a young Serb teen and believed he was a talent as good as young Rafa despite missing nearly two years of training due to the wartime years hardships. “If he catches up, gets better health and more mental toughness…he could be on a short list of the best ever to play.”

Well, he caught up with his training, then kept at it getting a little better each year. Then got his health fixed and emulated Rafa on mental toughness and has been the dominant player since 2011.
Tough for some Fedal fans to swallow.
While players think he is a great guy, making certain Fedal fans even more resentful.

Oh well, don’t let Nole’s success blind you to how Rafa is dealing with his recent demotion with class and determination to once again come back. Or that Federer is doing things at 34 that only adds to his greatness. You don’t have to be #1 at his age…just showing in twilight what made Fed so successful over the years..still better than all but 1, possibly 2 players.


senorita Says:

Chrisford1

“If he catches up, gets better health and more mental toughness…he could be on a short list of the best ever to play.”

With the help of CVAC.


senorita Says:

Rafa has been sidelined with injury for about a year in the last 3 years; that’s got to be taken into account.

I’m sure Rafa will be back and we will be able to watch tennis with the wow factor. As much as Djokovic is winning, his style is pretty boring, I’ll have to say. Sport is also about enjoying the process not just the result.


django Says:

Seniorita, please turn off your telly
Cheers


jalep Says:

jane says:
“jalep kudos indeed for the h2h; i like your little commentary on the side the best. :) sorry your head is hurting. mine is too, for different reasons.”

Had to take something very strong to get rid of the headache, too. Didn’t get a chance to get back to you; hoping you are okay and it’s not a migraine, jane? I’ve had those, uhhgg!

Thanks for saying you liked my commentary, too, jane. I chopped a lot out!

Indeed, it’s impossible to complain about Nole’s year. I’m satisfied – win or lose right now. But in 2016… :D


Blind Spot Says:

Most boring years in tennis are ironically the best years in the history of the sports, depending on which side of the court you are:

— JMac in 1984
— Federer in 2006
—- Nadal in 2010
— Djokovic in 2015

Understandably it is too convinient to succumb to the fallacy of “boredom,” especially at times when you are a virtual zealot of one player and reduce the entire sports and experience of the game to this one person and that person is unfortunately failing to meet your expectations, and you feel you’re the one getting beat every time and there is no sign of light at the end of the tunnel in foreesable future. It is obviously painful so you create a defense mechanism of logical fallacy of boredom or whatever is conveniently available to your anguished worldview. Perfectly natural. We all have blind spots, and it is a matter of time and place when that occurs.


Daniel Says:

Djoko gave the first strp for the greatest season ever with authority, he has 3 more important matches, second match agaisnt Fed (if Fed beats Berd) which will pretty much determine top player of thei group, thans semis against Murray/Wawa/Nadal and finala agaisnt Fed/Murray/Wawa/anadal. Also match against Fed will possibly have Djoko jumping on HxH for the first time in his career, currently 21-21.


elina Says:

News flash. It’s already the best year. This is just icing.


danica Says:

Senorita,

it is disgusting that you are bringing into conversation something that Giles cannot stop mentioning at each thread – the “egg”. Please, stop that nonsense. For a very long time, I refrained from saying this because of nice Rafa fans and because of Rafa, a player I like and appreciate. But how come you guys never say anything about Rafa’s blood plasma treatment for his knees? Today, this is a forbidden practice because it was proved it enhanced the performance. At a time it was not, so all is fine. CVAC is allowed and in fact a lot of athletes use it. Who knows, maybe a bunch of tennis players are using it, only no one is talking. It sure is affordable. And besides, how stupid to bring up CVAC argument when you are in Australia, China, all over the world as if this is something you can just pack with the rest of your luggage.

That Nole’s game is boring to you is just your opinion. Glad I don’t share it. Enjoy your misery.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Danica your a fair minded poster ,and i do agree Rafa fans arent perfect by a long chalk,and i must admit at times i have been quite bitter about Novaks success over my favorites at times,but im coming to terms with witnessing what a truely amazing player Novak is and what a fantastic year hes having,but i have to ask what did you think about that post at 10.40am,seriously i need a bath/shower after reading some of those comments,surely you dont condone that?….


Daniel Says:

Renews flash: no elina, to you and others it may be. To me, Ben and others it only will be if he wins WTF. 3 Slams, 1 Slam final and WTF plus his record Masters. WTF weight more than Masters, hence the ranking points.


elina Says:

Yes it’s called hanging onto the past.

Nadal has no more than an outside shot indoors to win London or even beat Novak.

He couldn’t do it in 2013 arguably his best year and while improved from earlier this year he is still quite far from that form.

Indoors just ain’t his thang.


jalep Says:

Ready for Federer vs Berdych match?! Federer leads H2H 14-6 On all surfaces but what about hard court?

It’s closer: H2H HC Federer/Berdych 7-4. Close enough to give Berdych a good chance, I say!
They only have one meeting on indoor hc – that Federer won back in Paris 2011.

They’ve been playing each other since 2004. And as a Federer fan back in those days, 2004-2009, that loss to Berdych 2004, on the grass of Athens, did surprise me. I thought Berdych was going to be a GS winner after that. 2005-2007 would see Roger winning every match on clay, grass, and one hard court Davis Cup match. I’ll start the hard court history there.

2007 – Federer/Berdych HC H2H 1-0.
Federer – Davis Cup, Prague

2008 – Federer/Berdych HC H2H 1-0. Total = 2-0.
Federer – Australian Open*

2009 – Federer/Berdych HC H2H 1-0. Total = 3-0.
Federer – Australian Open*

Really wish Fed would have lost that match. It was close and would have spared me the Fedal 09.

2010 – Federer/Berdych HC H2H 1-1. Total = 4-1.
The year Berdych infamously beat Federer at Wimbledon* and lost without as much as a whimper to Rafa in Wimbles final. But this is for hard court h2h purpose. Staying with the plot.

Berdych – Miami
Federer – Canada

2011 – Federer/Berdych HC H2H 1-1. Total = 5-2.
Berdych – Cincinnati (wth?) Do not remember that…
Federer – Paris (Indoor hard court)

2012 – Federer/Berdych HC H2H 0-1. Total = 5-3.
Berdych – US Open* The plot thickens…

2013 – Federer/Berdych HC H2H 0-1. Total = 5-4.
Berdych – Dubai. Fed!change your stick!

2014 – Federer/Berdych HC H2H 1-0. Total = 6-4
Federer – Dubai. Phew, stick changed finally!

2015 – Federer/Berdych HC H2H 1-0. Total = 7-4
Federer – Indian Wells.

To be continued in 1 hour, 30 minutes…Berdych might fancy making it 7-5 on hard court?

BTW – Federer 4-0 Berdych on clay.
Federer 3-2 Berdych on grass.
Federer 7-4 Berdych on hard court.

Federer 14-6 Berdych


elina Says:

And no. TWO more masters is definitely worth more than the WTF.


J-Kath Says:

Oh dear, what has happened to TX threads … (so many aggressive comments).

Nole won – Kei lost pretty convincingly. As far as crowd support – it was pretty even re. cheering ….given that the match wasn’t close the crowd was naturally muted.


jalep Says:

Hey, I did a lot of work posting that Berdych/Federer comprehensive h2h breakdown? No love?


Chrisford1 Says:

Love from me, Jalep!
Thanks for another stat foray that you spent time on researching and typing up.


senorita Says:

It’s a shame that Djokovic is the unloved champion even though he tries his best to be liked.


jane Says:

love from me …
both to jalep for that awesome h2h.
(i think fed wins today)
and to novak, a very well loved champ :D


jalep Says:

Thanks jane and Cf1. Very glad if you liked it. Because I like doing these for WTF!


Gypsy Gal Says:

Im not saying Berdych will win,but he seems to relish playing Federer,having said that Federer thrives indoors so i think he wins this in two or perhaps three tight sets,indoors definetly favour Federer….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Hi Jalep you certainly do your homework when it comes to stats lol….


Chrisford1 Says:

Points:

1. Best season ever is a hypothetical thing with 2015 Novak in contention, but the whole season not over. So I prefer to wait and see how the WTF finishes before saying whether or not Nole beats Mac 1984, Fed’s 2006, or Rafa’s 2010 season.

2. People that laugh at what they think are their own witty comments, Giles, tend to be trolls and tools as a general rule. LOL!, LOL! on that, Giles.

3. Djokovic’s success should not obscure the brilliant twilight performances of Federer. Well on the way to being the best performing “senior years” singles player we have seen. Better than Connors or Agassi on that measure.

4. I think two factors not discussed enough about Djokovic’s success is (A) How hard he works to add new skills and perfect the ones he is strong in further. On court and off. (B) The high intelligence of Novak bearing fruits in his great team selected, his use of sports science analysis, new nutrition and exercise routines.
So he is “Less Loved” than Feddy Bear. BFD! He is loved by a smaller but still huge number of fans, well liked and respected by players.

5. Rafa Nadal has sure had a down year. IT is easy to be gracious and magnaminous when you are the winner – Rafa is showing he has the same fine champion behavior in hard times. He is positive, has borne his tribulations with great dignity, and no self pity. Persevering. Hanging in there. From this we see perhaps the beginning of yet another great comeback by Nadal forming in the fall 2015 season..


Vami Says:

señorita upala joj kita


jalep Says:

Gypsy, Blueberry pancakes and Champagne mimosa’s for brunch here…

You are absolutely right about Berdych. And I don’t think it’s just a myth about Tomas relishing a contest with Federer. He started out in 2004 winning the Athens Olympics on grass vs Federer – tasted ‘goat’ meat early – can’t get enough of it.

I don’t care who wins. And Gypsy, the Berdych/Federer h2h was simples to do compared to Nole/Rafa or Nole/Federer – Federer/Rafa would not be a favorite one to do because of all the sh!t I’ve taken over the years but at this point, maybe I could make it funny.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep lol delicious,i must admit to been a bit sick of the tit for tat back and forth from certain Rafa and Novak fans this thread,so its nice to have a sensible conversation ATM….


Dave Says:

Another reason this has been the best season ever is that it is a record for most ranking points in a season. That says a lot as well.


FedExpress Says:

fed still remembers the loss from athen.


FedExpress Says:

0-30

fed already feeling it


FedExpress Says:

back to baclk DFS


FedExpress Says:

break


Daniel Says:

Wow, awful start by Fed, 2 double faults and lost his serve to love. Berdych ball seems to be more powerful than Fed’s


Daniel Says:

Breakback, order restored


Daniel Says:

Bad FH miss by Berdych which can be costly, Double BP for Fed.


FedExpress Says:

berdych already dirtying his pants after he got the break


FedExpress Says:

this court is slow and its rubbish


jalep Says:

CF1, I like points 1,3, and 5.

#2 and #4 – take it easy on the lol’ers. Me, being one of them. Each and every time I use a lol, I mean it and there’s no other way of showing such emotions, seriousness, laughter here except hahaha hehehe LMAO, ect. It’s troubling when Emoji’s and gif’s can’t be used.

#4 Feddy Bear, Fedddy Bear, Feddy Bear, Feddy Bear…
I’ll use it all I want but, Doesn’t mean I don’t love Nole ole ole ole Phemonenoleeeee


FedExpress Says:

fed serving for the set


Dave Says:

Not a high quality set by either player.


FedExpress Says:

dirty set. ty Atp for such a good surface


Daniel Says:

Perfect drop, BP to start second set, couldn’t be better. Actually a break will


Daniel Says:

Yeah, break!


FedExpress Says:

first good game fed has played since the us open


FedExpress Says:

how many top 10 players has beaten berdych since the AO


Dave Says:

He definitely hasn’t been in top form since the US Open. And this court surface isn’t helping either.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Rogers not really playing anything outstanding,but he doesnt have to,his B game is good enough….


Dave Says:

Berdych has choked this match away it seems.


FedExpress Says:

if berdych somehow beats nole he should get some kind of an award


FedExpress Says:

the sound from feds racquet is very crispy.


FedExpress Says:

cant enjoy this mugness


FedExpress Says:

hahahaha those droppers


FedExpress Says:

both strugglinh with 1st serves


jalep Says:

Enjoyed the expression on Tomas’ face after a certain dropper.

Missed most the match…last I looked, looked like Berdych was fired up. That was beginning of 1st set.

Careful, Feddee, don’t get too cute.

Get another game Berdych.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep it was quite competitive the first few games,Fed broke and it all went a bit flat,IMO both Fed and Berd will both beat Kei but not Novak,and Novak and Fed will make the semis,my two cents….


Dave Says:

After seeing the slowness of the courts and the form of the players, I don’t see Federer beating Djokovic.


FedExpress Says:

fed has the game to beat nole but not the mind and mental tougness anymore


jalep Says:

Your picks to win Group Smith and Nastase are, GG? (really rather they stayed with group A and B)


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep ill see how the rest play tomorrow before i decide the other group….


FedExpress Says:

fed is not a cheater


jalep Says:

Sadly, Kei did not look good.
But some of that was playing Nole? Maybe?

Hope Kei can do better vs Berdych.

Jim Courier just mentioned a Nishikori injury apparently – leftover from Paris. Poor Kei.


FedExpress Says:

fed will play next and the following year for sure


jalep Says:

Smart move, GG. We will know more after tomorrow.

But it’s so fun to wear egg on the face.

What h2h do I do next? need to look at Monday schedule :D


J-Kath Says:

I’m not sure Fed. really has the game to beat Nole – Tomas was just a mess after plan A failed…Nole has A, A+ and Triple A plans ……no way is Fed. going to beat him.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep i dont think i could take another sarcastic comment from a taxi driver,so i make predictions,but i dont state them as facts,they are only my opinions so far….


tennisfansince76 Says:

@ jalep minor correction. Athens olympics were played on hard. London 2012 was on grass.


jalep Says:

Please ignore Taxi Driver, Gypsy. He absolutely loves to troll Rafa and Federer fans – mostly a troll for tennis interwebs. Can be intelligent and civil. But…not his priority.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Jalep what about h2h on Stan and Rafa,and Andy and Ferrer ;D….

Sad but i think Kei might and probably should pull out give Gasquet a chance….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Thanks and i will do,the best thing to do with a troll is ignore….


Wog Boy Says:

jalep,
If you don’t know what really is disproportional h2h then try to do one between me and my wife:(


jalep Says:

TF76? Of course London Olympics were on grass. I like being corrected – it helps. But look at this:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/fedex-head-2-head/roger-federer-vs-tomas-berdych/F324/BA47

Check the events breakdown if the page isn’t already on it. Yes, I’ve had some champagne but I think it says Athens-grass. Maybe ATP is wrong?


FedExpress Says:

tuesdays OOP

berdy vs nishi 2 pm
fed vs nole 8 pm


jalep Says:

LOL Wog boy! Fax me some information and history and I’ll do a h2h for you and your better half! ;)

Fun. hehehehe


jalep Says:

2004 Athens Olympics
Greece
Outdoor Grass R32 Tomas Berdych
46 75 75

Copied from ATP, Tennisfan76. Maybe they are wrong? I was surprised too…thought it was hc.


Wog Boy Says:

I’ve eaten so many bagels and breadsticks served by my better half, that I have panic attack when ever I am about to pass by bakery..


Wog Boy Says:

I didn’t know there is enough grass in Athena for one grass court, nevertheless two..


Gypsy Gal Says:

Wogboy lol….


jalep Says:

That’s bad, Wog Boy. I hate panic attacks. That’s why I remain single ;) Cut’s down on medications needed. This is a dysfunctional tennis blog, no?

Very much admire marrieds though.


J-Kath Says:

Wogboy – Go on, spill the beans….quickly please… as I’m compiling a list


J-Kath Says:

Courbon – Hope you and yours are OK. Don’t know if you agree, but I was pleased France has acted so promptly, as per news this evening.


jalep Says:

J-Kath

Kyle Edmund is having some good results on clay in the Challengers in South America. He won Buenos Aires title today.

His rank will be going up. Kinda like him.

Thinking GBR win Davis Cup.


danica Says:

Hi Gipsy Gal,

let me answer to your post earlier today.
I love the Rafa fans here except, of course, those who spit venom and specially hate the other two players who are Rafa’s biggest rivals. I am sure Rafa himself wouldn’t approve. He earned a bunch of fans but some are not deserving of him.

I did not see the 10.40 post originally, because I just skimmed through the thread when I got up. But Senorita’s hatred caught my attention and it was an opportunity to say what I wanted to tell Giles for the long time. I feel almost ashamed to bring it up because, again, neither Rafa nor Nole deserve such contempt from those who call themselves “tennis fans”.

As for TB’s comment at 10.40, to me it is tasteless and unnecessary but that’s how that poster chose to express himself at that moment. Things like that, the poster’s “artistic expression”, don’t bother me. I have seen enough awful comments directed at Nole. But I learnt how to ignore them and not allow them to bother me. What does annoy me are double standards.


tennisfansince76 Says:

@jalep they are definitely wrong. I watched it all most definitely on hard court. https://www.google.com/search?q=athens+2004+olympics+tennis&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#imgrc=0WQdof9tXbRvHM%3A
Picture to prove it


J-Kath Says:

Hi Jalep

You are working too hard…

Thanks for the Edmund flash….good for him, but not sure he’ll be good enuf against the Belgians. Would rather Aljaz Bedene played the second single. Tomorrow he’ll know the result of his appeal.

Am too scared to predict anything at the DC – will depend on how much Andy wears himself out at the O2.


jalep Says:

Thanks, Tennisfansince76!

Well, so much for trusting facts on the ATP site as to surface on H2H.
ATP also has 2008 Olympics down for having grass courts. That seemed wrong. I thought I was going nutz. Watched Nole v Rafa 2008 Olympic match, could have sworn it wasn’t on grass.

2008 Beijing Olympics
China
Outdoor Grass SF Rafael Nadal
64 16 64
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/fedex-head-2-head/novak-djokovic-vs-rafael-nadal/D643/N409

photo
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Olympic_Green_Tennis_Centre_Interior.jpg


jalep Says:

J-Kath.

No. This is my normal :D

Wondering about Davis Cup in Belgium – it will be fine, but the world news has me on edge about targets. Sad world.


J-Kath Says:

Jalep

Frightening and horrific. As for a repetition in Belgium….hopefully you don’t sh-t on your own doorstep??????


jalep Says:

What in the world does that mean, J-Kath?


Wog Boy Says:

jalep,

If I can answer for JK, the Paris attack has been organized and delivered by the terrorist cell from Belgium, they even had main brain behind attack, Saleh Abdeslam, stoped on his way back to Belgium after atack but stupidly let him go, can you imagine that??!!

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/15/ap-paris-suspect-saleh-abdeslam-questioned-and-released-hours-after-attacks/


Patson Says:

@Wog Boy

The information wasn’t conveyed to the border guards in time. I don’t think the border guards are at fault here; however, I will question the inter-services communication protocols which seem to be super-duper lax. The border guards should’ve had the name of this dude with them. Information in this day and age travels at the speed of light.


Wog Boy Says:

Patson,
Absolutely agree.


jalep Says:

J-Kath being rude for whatever reason?

Have no idea what she meant by sh!tting on my own doorstep – not on edge about myself nor would I hesitate to go there for DC or to Paris if I could. Not knocking Belgium.

Meant my comment to kindly. But had just read this:
https://www.rt.com/news/322255-paris-attack-sponsor-abaaoud/


Wog Boy Says:

jalep,
I wish JK is around to explain her post, but I understood her “you” that terrorists are not going to sh!t on their own doorstep since they are from Belgium and DC final is played in Belgium. I am pretty sure “you” didn’t you personally jalep. I’ll leave it to JK to explain herself when she wakes up, I don’t like to be cought in crossfire:)


Wog Boy Says:

BTW, thanks for the link, yes, that is the one that issued the order for attack.


jalep Says:

Alright. Not literally, eh? Thanks for translating and reminding me, Wog Boy.

Okay sorry.

Blaming my own country for much of what’s wrong here and around the world wears on me.

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