Novak Djokovic v Roger Federer For The 2015 ATP Finals, Who’s The Pick?
by Sean Randall | November 21st, 2015, 6:55 pm
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What a perfect way to end the 2015 ATP season, with the two best of the year playing for an amazing 8th time as Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer clash with the ATP Finals title at stake.

The two former champions both cruised into the finals today, as expected.

Djokovic took care of Rafael Nadal 6-3, 6-3. Rafa played good after a slow start but the match was never really in doubt with Djokovic in comfort and command throughout.

As I said yesterday, Rafa has to be happy despite the loss. And I didn’t think he did too bad today. Djokovic was simply just too good.

“He was better than me and he deserved to do what he did during the whole season,” said Nadal. “He played just fantastic.

“When somebody’s playing like this, just the only thing I can do is congratulate him and wish not the best of luck for the next year.”

Then it was the all-Swiss rematch from a year ago. Roger overcame a break in the first to roll Stan Wawrinka 7-5, 6-2. It was shaky early for Roger but Stan couldn’t capitalize on the lead and close out the set. And once Roger got back on top he kicked into another gear it was over.

“The year was amazing,” said Wawrinka. “I didn’t expect to play that well, to be here tonight, honestly, being No. 4, winning a Grand Slam, semi-finals here again. I couldn’t expect more. I won two titles for the first time in my career — one of them the French Open, beating the No. 1 player. I made the semi-finals at the US Open, Australian Open; quarter-finals at Wimbledon. I was quite consistent at the highest level. I beat so many top guys. The year, it was amazing for me.”

So the final most of us thought we’d get we got as Djokovic and Federer meet again for the second time this week. Roger beat him on Tuesday in straights, but Sunday with a title on the line I think we’ll see a different, most determined Djokovic.

Federer’s been playing well this week, but I still like the court and the conditions for Novak here. And I like Novak’s return game against Fed’s second serve.

“Same court, same place,” said Federer. “For me, it’s an advantage because I guess it gives me a bit of confidence. For him, it’s an advantage because he gets a second chance, and he’s in another final. He’s played some great tennis since we’ve played. I still believe his confidence is slightly higher than mine with the amount of success he’s had this year.”

Roger will have to serve great, play aggressive and maybe use the drop shot. He can’t win slugging out from the baseline.

That said, Roger’s one guy that gives Novak problems, so that will be in Djokovic’s head. And maybe it will create some errors.

But Roger will also have to take care of mistakes, like he didn’t do in New York when given chances. Those blown break points are a killer.

In the end though, I know Fed beat him a few days ago but Novak will be more than motivated to end what has been a sensational season on a high note. And he’ll do it Sunday.
The pick: Djokovic in three

ESPN has live coverage of the finals at 1pm ET.


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113 Comments for Novak Djokovic v Roger Federer For The 2015 ATP Finals, Who’s The Pick?

jane Says:

good luck novak!! :)


Travis Bickle Says:

Sean,
I speculated earlier that Novak’s camp strategized a bit after the first round and tried to “set up” the favourable scenario for Novak.
You disagreed, which is fine.
But, regardless whether we disagree on that, we have to agree that what Novak got (by strategizing or by pure luck) is the best scenario for him, i.e. Rafa in semis, Roger in final and avoiding possibly redlining Stan all together… Also, as a result, I believe Novak leads in terms of shortest time spent on court too.
Should be in good position to win and officially make the best non calendar GS season ever!
However, if Feeder wins by beating Djoker twice in a single week, nothing but huge props to the old man!


skeezer Says:

“…with the two best of the year..’”

Sawweet sound of 28 & 34.


Pauly Says:

Federer is a genius indoors … I’m hoping for him to win but Djokovic will be harder to beat this time … As for Djokovic’s stupid comment that only Federer troubled him this year … Did he forget Wawrinka at the French ?
Last time I watched that match Djokovic was crying ?
Silly comment considering Federer Wawrinka only troubled him in 2015 …
Moving on 2016 looks like Djokovic will be hunted by everyone especially Nadal on clay … If he can get his confidence back that is ?
Good luck Roger


Travis Bickle Says:

Mark Petchey just earned huge respect in my eyes:

http://www.skysports.com/tennis/news/33504/10073916/novak-djokovic-deserves-more-respect-for-domination-says-mark-petchey

“I read too many articles about robots, machines – this, that and the other. We never had that when Nadal was dominating or when Roger Federer was dominating. Nobody was writing that word. It’s massively disrespectful to Novak that anybody associates those words with his performance.”

and this one…

“This guy is a human being who paints masterpieces on the best courts in the world. People need to start appreciating the value of that, and just how difficult it is to do what he did. He makes it look easy.”

@Bickle_Tennis


skeezer Says:

“This guy is a human being who paints masterpieces on the best courts in the world. People need to start appreciating the value of that, and just how difficult it is to do what he did. He makes it look easy.”
This about Fed, no?


Travis Bickle Says:

good try skeezer-geezer ;-)

Unfortunately it’s not about Fed (feel free to check the link) and you federinas will have to adjust to exist with the new “artist” painting masterpieces. Keep calling him robot, machine, etc. but sooner or later you’ll wake up to appreciate undeniable greatness.

I suggest sooner, it’ll spare you lots of mental anguish. Look at the poor should at this site (e.g. sienna, gilles) – they suffer more and more every passing day – one could tell from their comments…


Travis Bickle Says:

*should = souls


skeezer Says:

“Keep calling him robot, machine..” Never called him one of those so bugger off with that innuendo.
I can tell you when it comes to the canvass of a tennis court Fed is the master painter of creativity and artistry. Nole vs Fed in that area is not even close.
Nole is a grinder who attacks with the best technical stroke technique in the game on both wings. Nole has is own qualities that surpass any other player, but it is surely not the player who “paints masterpieces on the best courts in the world. “. That is Fed territory where he resides alone.


jane Says:

nice one mr. cab driver. novak definitely deserves more respect.

not the least from pauly. maybe stan zoned for that match pauly, but it’d be quite easy to argue that even murray troubled novak more than stan this season since they met more often i suspect, and in semis and finals.

however, anyone who’s been following knows that fed was by far the most persistent rival of novak’s all year – meeting in 2 slam finals a few masters finals and now WTF finals – so that’s obvious. fed got the most wins. no one else got more than one. so fed definitely was the one who troubled novak this year, and i think nole knows best in his regard, so his comment need not be called “stupid” and/or “silly” imo anyhow…


Pauly Says:

Federer is best indoors player ever
Djokovic second best indoors player
Nadal is best claycourter ever
Federer is second best claycourter
Only problem these three champions started playing at different times … Djokovic is the youngest so he’s just paying back Federer & more so Nadal all for the defeats they dished out to him !
But only one problem it seems Federer at 34 can still beat Djokovic in his prime ?
Nadal cannot at the moment … Federer is the best player ever!!!


jane Says:

skeezer that’s subjective. there are many kinds of art. and different people appreciate different strokes – be they on court or on canvases.


jane Says:

no, fed is not the best indoors player ever. not according to the ATP’s performance zone. j-mac, lendl, connors and borg all rank ahead of fed at 5th. novak is 8th.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/performance-zone/win-loss-index/career/indoor/all/


Angel Says:

Través Bickle are you talking about Roger Federer, right? If you use the word artist them there is no doubt you are talking about the beauty of Roger Federer’s game. If you use the word robot them you must be probably talking about the Joker’s boring game.


Pauly Says:

Jane

Federer on a fast indoors court could beat anyone
At his best he could roll Nadal 6-0 6-0 considering Nadal was only claycourter at the beginning
Federer had more class than anyone … Lendl is Djokovic’s twin both robots


Pauly Says:

Federer is the Picasso of tennis
He paints the best picture
I’m really a huge Nadal fan who has accepted that even though my hero is 23-11 H2H … I think Federer is the most gifted player ever !
At 34 Nadal will not be playing either will Djokovic
I think Roger can play till 38 & still be in the top 10 give the man the respect he deserves
My five favourite players
Nadal
Federer
Lendl
Agassi
Djokovic


Travis Bickle Says:

@Pauly

Specially for you, since you insist calling Djoker a robot, I am repeating quotes from a guy (Mark Petchey) who knows more about tennis than both you and skeezer will ever know!!!

“I read too many articles about robots, machines – this, that and the other. We never had that when Nadal was dominating or when Roger Federer was dominating. Nobody was writing that word. It’s massively disrespectful to Novak that anybody associates those words with his performance. This guy is a human being who paints masterpieces on the best courts in the world. People need to start appreciating the value of that, and just how difficult it is to do what he did. He makes it look easy.”

Feel free to disagree, but it has started… The world is noticing the greatness… Petchey is a Brit who comments on tennis for living. Nick Bollettieri has already said Novak is the most complete player the world has ever seen – and Nick at 84 has seen a lot of tennis!
Sean here was always fair to Novak greatness, etc…

Fringe individuals like you may never wake up to realise it but, likely, your opinion will remain inconsequential going forward. You’ll be watching this “robot” breaking many records in the upcoming years and cry in front Roger/Rafa posters adorning your bedroom walls. One word for you – inevitability…


mat4 Says:

@Travis:

Mark Petchey is a respected coach. He worked with Murray in 2006, and he was the head coach of the LTA before, if I remember well.

His insights about Novak’s technique are remarkable. I already gave this link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxtByvqYGqM

but anyway, I believe it is important to understand better Novak’s game.

If you watch Sky sports, you can often see his analysis.


jalep Says:

Travis Bickle – I ventured onto Blue Moonball a little bit ago. That blog is barely readable – unless someone belongs to the Church of Federer.

Fed fans are not as numerous or as fawning on TX. Maybe a couple, okay. But this is like breathing fresh air compared to Moonball. sheesh.


Wog Boy Says:

If Roger is Picasso than Nole must be Michelangelo Buonarroti.
You can’t go past Italians, simply the best.


jalep Says:

Times have changed – it’s not 2009 is it? I don’t know – just woke up.


Wog Boy Says:

mat4,

Ohh, sorry, I’ll rephrase it:

You can’t go pass Italians ..and French, simply the best.


mat4 Says:

WB:

I prefer Correggio. And just like Novak, he’s so underestimated, although probably the greatest painter of the cinquecento.


Wog Boy Says:

What is “Blue Moonball”, I heard about “Blue Oyster Salad Bar”, is moonball something like “Blue Oyster” from “Police Academy”?

http://youtu.be/nlGclIZV5JQ


mat4 Says:

WB:

Don’t worry. I like the Italians myself very much. France is great in the XIX and XX centuries, but art has no frontiers.


jalep Says:

Hi, WB. Just google blue moonball tennis and see,, but let me warn you, because I know you and like you, take something for nausea first!


mat4 Says:

Hi, Conty.


Wog Boy Says:

mat4,
Thanks, I feel better now.

jalep,

Thanks, On the second thought I might give it a miss, I believe TB doesn’t need back up, he’ll sort them out.


Travis Bickle Says:

@jalep,
Yeah, I am the thorn on Blue Moonballers’ side. I love breaking their mythology about their deity. On top of everything, 80% of posters there are declared as women over 50 so there is a hormonal aspect to deal with when you go there.
Their fawning over Federer legs, hair, and now beard, when they use expressions like “yum”, “creamy”, etc.. make me vomit in my mouth a little… And how they try to diminish everything Novak and Rafa do is almost unbelievable – but, as always, I do manage to get to them – and they are by now used to expect and reluctantly accept my gloating after every important final last few years (Wimby 14 & 15, and USO 15).
However, lately they reached another level which is a bit unhealthy and borders with denial/obsession – when the results aren’t there anymore they started clinging to Fed’s “yumminess”, “beauty”, “sexiness” – so the site has become a bit creepy – like you said “Church of Federer” and eerily similar to the well known looney fan place “rf.com”.


jalep Says:

You got it, WB! re: link :D


jalep Says:

Please Travis – was planning to eat my dinner. I can’t think about moonball. There are Rafa fanatic blogs just as stifling and insane. I give up sometimes.

Hello and cheers, my dear mat4! Nice to see you.


jalep Says:

On a positive note, TB, at least here I find Fedfans, Rafans, a Stan fan, Emily not often enough, RZ who will talk WTA with me…the clever Andy Murray fans – Nole fans.. Anyway…it’s best to find a wide variety, I think. Even some trolls to spice it up ;)


Wog Boy Says:

Funny tweet from Roddick:

@andyroddick: @CarlBialik @richarddeitsch the only reason I retired is that I knew I’d have a losing record against Djoko if I kept playing …… :)


Pauly Says:

Let’s consider this … Who will replace Federer Nadal Djokovic in men’s tennis when they all retire ?
Not easy to answer … Let’s move on
Has anyone ever thought about who’s the best out of these three gladiators ?
How about this … All are in their best form & on their favourite surfaces ?
Hardcourts US OPEN AUSTRALIAN OPEN ?
Federer would beat Djokovic & Nadal on both surfaces
Clay FRENCH OPEN
Nadal beats both Federer & Djokovic
Grass WIMBLEDON
Federer beats both Djokovic & Nadal
Djokovic beats Nadal in Australian open but loses in US open
Nadal beats Djokovic on grass
Remember Nadal was a great grass court player with his speed … Safin called him
The rabbit coz he could get back most balls !

Federer is the best out of all 3 in his prime
Nadal is second
Djokovic is third

That’s how I always had it in my mind


jane Says:

ha, that’s cute wog boy. roddick’s been effusive in his praise for novak. love it. :)


Tennisfan Says:

Tennis is fickle. Since Nole is dominating right now everyone and their mothers will declare him an artist, the most complete player, the best on hard courts etc. etc. Two years ago that was how Nadal was touted and players like McEnroe insisted Rafa was the GOAT. Nadal fans were going on about H2H at that time yet seem to have quietened now when Nole has equaled Rafa in their H2H and threatens to overtake it. When it comes down to it- records speak for themselves and Novak, Roger and Rafa have proven themselves through their tennis. Not everyone is going to like each player and praise them- so its pointless imo to complain about it.


jane Says:

hope everything is sorted out in belgium for obvious reasons. but also would hope they don’t play the DC final there if there is still discussion of threat. sigh… : /


Okiegal Says:

@jalep 9:34…….That’s when the “spice” girls come in and stir things up….but we’re not trolls! :)


Chrisford1 Says:

Pauly, the 2nd best clay player of this time of the Big 4, and it is close as a call, is Djokovic over Federer. There is no doubt who is the best clay player of these times, obviously, but the only player to beat Rafa at all 3 clay Masters plus Roland Garros, is Djokovic.

Those that say Djokovic is a machine, etc. and doesn’t have the flashy shotmaking of Fed or the passion of Nadal miss what Pete Bodo finally admitted. Tennis at the highest level is between guys of considerable talent and training and the path to win is a dominant shot OR….getting just a tiny bit better point in and point out in the nuances and consistency of executing the game plan. And Djokovic has top talent, has the best backhand shot and return of service, perhaps in the Open Era..but his dominance is as much die to all the little things he does well as “the Big Shot play”.Bodo said his real advantage is how it all combines and translates out into 2nd serve points won, best percent of 2nd serve return points won, using redirection to get the better court position 55% of points played, and so on. And never resting on making or trying to make improvements each game or practice and using the same philosophy in his non-tennis life.


Okiegal Says:

How could Novak be considered the 2nd best clay courter of the big four when he couldn’t even beat Stan?? Maybe Stan is second best, after all he did win the Frenchie facing Novak.


Pauly Says:

Chrisford1

If Nadal became a soccer player … Federer would’ve had 8 French open slams
Federer in his prime only lost to el supremo of clay Nadal !


Wog Boy Says:

Nole beat Rafa twice in MC, twice in Rome, once in Madrid and once at FO. How many players managed to do that including The GOAT? Roger has FO but has never beaten Rafa in Paris nor MC or Rome. Only two wins on clay, Hamburg and Madrid.


Okiegal Says:

What’s Stan, chopped liver?? Lol


mat4 Says:

In this article you have their respective top ratings on clay:

http://www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2015/09/18/the-case-for-novak-djokovic-and-roger-federer-and-rafael-nadal/

Novak is a clear third. Behind Nadal and Borg.


Chrisford1 Says:

Okiegal – Your logic seems to be “how could Novak be second best if Stan beat him once at RG”….which is pretty much like saying how could Rafa be the best if Soderling beat him??

If Nadal had become a football player, he is the only one of the Big 4 I could see as a star of that sport. The strength, will, and explosive speed to be a defenseman. Perhaps Andy might have had a shot at making a club or even national team. But not Fed, too dainty. Not Djokovic because of respiratory problems and fatigue that he struggled with until he was 22-23.

You mention if only Rafa didn’t exist, Roger would have a slew of clay titles. But the problem with that hypothetical is Rafa does exist, and owns Roger on clay. The only times Fed beat Nadal on that surface was once when Rafa was young at Madrid, then in 2009 when the epic semi at Madrid between Novak and Rafa left both exhausted and injured, with a barely walking Nadal easily dispatched by Fed the next day in the Final. (The knee damage Rafa had was a factor in his loss at the French Open and why he was forced out of Wimbledon when the injury did not get better).
Whereas Novak has given Rafa fits on clay over the years.
Currently, Fed and Nole are 4-4 on clay H2H, both have 11 clay titles. Fed had a few years where he did very well on clay before Rafa arrived, and all of Noles 11 have come when Nadal reigned as King of Clay.


Chrisford1 Says:

Correct that to say Fed beat Nadal once when he was young at Hamburg, before the Hamburg Masters moved to Madrid.


FedExpress Says:

Asked to pick out Djokovic’s main strengths, Nadal said: “Everything. He’s hitting amazing. The return was always amazing. This year he’s serving great, I think.

“When somebody’s doing like this, the only thing I can do is congratulate him and just wish him not the best of luck for the next year.”

last part made me giggle


django Says:

today annacone called Novak one of the all time greats
Tide is turning


mat4 Says:

That’s nothing. Simon Barnes wrote this:

http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/14119101/why-novak-djokovic-greatest-tennis-player-history

Finally, IMG is doing business.


Pauly Says:

My original argument stands

Federer
Nadal
Djokovic

In that order


jane Says:

^ for you maybe…


jane Says:

thanks for that link mat4; i can’t find the date on it. is it a new article?


jane Says:

^ forget that post mat4, i see it’s from 5 days ago.


Michael Says:

Well, Novak was at his clinical best and ousted Rafa in a very emphatic fashion. He was just ruthless on court hitting winners at will and a hapless and clueless Rafa just hoping that Novak’s level would significantly drop to make a come back, which never happened and he just succumbed to the inevitable and just got through the motions on court.

At the other end, the peerless and ever green Maestro was just at his authoritative best against Wawarinka with his sizzling Serve-volley tennis and what can you say about this man who makes the finals at World Tour Finals at 34 ? Just salute him for all that he has accomplished in this sport which is never likely to be surpassed especially what he is doing over 32.

Regarding the finals, I have to go with Sean pick and gift the title to Novak although Roger will be no push over and in all probability it should go the distance unless the level of one players drops drastically. But, Novak will be upto the task and might get the revenge this time around especially with the way he played against Rafa just giving him no chance with his ruthless exhibition on court.


Pauly Says:

Even at his best … Nadal is not an indoors player & could never beat Djokovic indoors !
Watch the 2013 final … Nadal number one in world losing 6-3 6-4 … Nadal needs the elements to play his best spin works better outdoors .
Hopefully 2016 will bring him some success?

As for the final Federer will find it harder than his first win over Djokovic but as I previously stated first set is more important for Federer
Good luck Roger


Michael Says:

Well, Novak already had an unprecedented year by any standards and he must be mighty pleased with his achievements. So, losing the World Tour Finals might not mean much, although it will be a minor blemish in a terrific season that he has enjoyed. So, Novak has just got nothing to lose and he might cut loose.


Margot Says:

Agreeing with Petch and he even likes “evenAndy” a lot too, so he must be a fine judge ;)
Finding it really puzzling that some people can’t seem to acknowledge how very good Nole is. I imagine it’s because he successfully challenged the Fedal hegemony.
Was it my imagination tho., but did he look even skinnier yesterday?


Giles Says:

“Hapless and clueless Rafa” says Michael the Great. A bit over the top I would say. You could have chosen your words in a more respectful way towards Nadal but then maybe you don’t know any better.


Wog Boy Says:

@Margot,

No, it wasn’t your imagination and thanks for the nice words.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Hi Mat4 hope everything is OK where you are?….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Wogboy agree about Novak,a body thats made for tennis,but borderline anorexic,and gaunt looking in the face is my opinion sorry,after such an amazing year i think its all caught up with him,he looks in need of a well earned break,rest up and spend some quality time with Jelena and Stefan,as he looks exhausted….


madmax Says:

I wouldn’t describe Novak as an artist on the court, I would describe him, as I always have, as a gymnast. An amazing, elastic gymnast. Just Brilliant.

It is federer who has always been described as an artist. Plenty out there to support. Here is one.

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/tennis/federer-an-artist.

I think there is more love for Novak though than people believe. Giles and Sienna are just silly with their comments. Not productive at all. Childish nonsense.

http://straightsets.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/federer-has-company-on-tenniss-artists-colony/?_r=0

Michael Steinberger, writing in The New York Times Magazine referred to Federer as “an artist among pugilists,” and he’s far from the first writer to cast the Swiss master in this light. Federer is often portrayed as the man making “art” on the court, with his arch rival, Rafael Nadal, serving as a muscle-bound foil, while the rest of the field is lumped together as a colorless gang of mashers. That was only 2 years ago. How things have changed!

Novak having overtaken Nadal in this field. He has catapulted his way to the top and when you think of how he started around the same time as Murray, why is it that Novak has just excelled?

Djokovic is the sport’s most solid player and whatever happens today, he has still had the best year.

“I’m an emotional guy,” Novak has said. “I express myself sometimes negatively, unfortunately.” He is honest about his short comings, but I don’t know why anyone would not like Novak. I do.

Nole right now is the tennis Terminator, he is aware of his shortfalls, but I think he is a great ambassador for the sport and I love watching him play. He is THE most gracious loser and THE most gracious winner.

I think though that Roger will win today.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Pauly in 2010 Nadal beat Novak at the WTFs,in 2013 he beat Federer,yet lost to both in finals in opposite years,damn shame really that the stars just didnt align for him to crack the case in one of those finals,it doesnt look like its meant to be im afraid….


Wog Boy Says:

GG,

Yes, it is very visible, for objective people, that Nole is running on the smell of an oily rag. I just hope he has enough left for one more push, in spite, or as we Balkan people say “iz inata”.
Either way, he is one and only No1e!


Wog Boy Says:

@November 22nd, 2015 at 5:50 am

Prime example of backhanded compliment, bravo…clap..clap..clap..


Gypsy Gal Says:

Wogboy on another note Manchester City 1 Liverpool 4,did ya see it lol?…. ;)


Wog Boy Says:

GG,
I haven’t seen the match but have seen result, Jurgen Klopp is the best thing that happened to Liverpool FC as of lately:)


madmax Says:

Wogboy,

You need to realise (unlikely) that my compliment is not backhanded. At all. I don’t expect the unintelligent poster, such as yourself, to understand that people can like another sportsman i.e. Novak, (who has always been my no.2), Roger will always be my number 1.

Don’t like what I say? Couldn’t care less.

Wog Boy Says:
@November 22nd, 2015 at 5:50 am

Prime example of backhanded compliment, bravo…clap..clap..clap..

November 22nd, 2015 at 6:24 am

Prime example of unintelligent remark. Ajde wogboy, but no clap for you. Not worth it.


Wog Boy Says:

@November 22nd, 2015 at 6:52 am

Prime example of double faced (intelligent) person, brain washed worshiper….doesn’t fit Nole fan description…still clapping…


Wog Boy Says:

BTW, you must be one of Moonball posters, you fit perfectly in this description:

“On top of everything, 80% of posters there are declared as women over 50 so there is a hormonal aspect to deal with when you go there.
Their fawning over Federer legs, hair, and now beard, when they use expressions like “yum”, “creamy”, etc.. make me vomit in my mouth a little… ”

TB, I hope you don’t applying your definition of Moonball poster on one of them?


Wog Boy Says:

^^^ should say “..you don’t mind applying ..”


Gypsy Gal Says:

Ive never posted on that site,only looked at the comments out of pure curiosity,and the editor has a foul mouth to say the least,with an obvious distain for Novak,and Rafa but to a lesser extent,and the stuff that people post there wouldnt be out of place on an adult web site,then you have tengrand which is like tennis talk used to be heavily Rafa biased,this one seems more neutral although two years ago it became much like tennis talk,now with Novak doing so well its heavily influenced towards his fans,although his fan base seems the most sensible….


madmax Says:

Oh my Wogboy. What on earth is the matter with you this morning? I really don’t get your vitriolic mouth.

If you want to put all posters into the same category, be my guest.

I have said enough about Novak, and the respect I have for him. It is a great shame he has someone like you who is allegedly a fan.

You are no fan wogboy. You are a bully. If people here don’t swoon over Novak and his ability, then who let the dogs out?

I can appreciate talent, and I can respect both Novak and Rafa for what they have brought to the sport.

For me, Roger will always be the best, always. With or without a beard – you have lost your humour wogboy, but then from memory, you never had one.

Hope Roger keeps the beard, to annoy posters like wogboy until kingdom ever after.

P.S. FYI, have a looonggggg way to go before I reach 50, what was it like, being that age Wogboy, now you have reached your senior years?


Gypsy Gal Says:

^Seems the most sensible,well most of them,one ot two have their moments^….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Sorry 7.38am post,meant to follow my 7.29am post….


Wog Boy Says:

Firstly, it is not morning here, it is late evening.
Secondly, it is nice being my age and have fulfilled life, kids and all the pleasures and problems that they bring in your life. Do you have any and are you planing autumn of your life..without Roger?


skeezer Says:

mm,
Someone has had to much shrimp on the Barby with Vodka.
This is soundng like some Rafa fans of old, if you don’t compliment a player the “real fan way”( according to them ) your not a true fan of the almighty clan. Imo your post was fine, a tribute to Novak, but you apparently you did not make him perfect in every way, no?
Really, who cares? Blog on.


skeezer Says:

WB,
Just so we are clear, I’m picking Nole to win today. He is favored.


Wog Boy Says:

skeezer,
Please, don’t compare me with “some Rafa fans of old”, doesn’t fit my description, and I had nothing to drink, this is high season for me and drink is big NO NO..maybe one before dinner, but that’s it. As for Noel’s description of being “gymnast” but not artist says everything, there is only one “artist” the others are “gymnasts”, “grinders”, “bulls” but there is only one artist, no one else is allowed to be called artist, you can have it.
BTW, you are wrong, check the results of vote above and you will find that Roger is favorite in both cases.
You have to excuse me now, both of you, I need some sleep before the match between an “artist” and an “gymnast”, enjoy the company of each other, I am sure you have lot in common, not just Roger.


skeezer Says:

WB,
As jane had said so “artisticly” , its all subjective, so no need to get all personal on someone about it.
High season is a no no? I must be in low season all the time ;)


Gypsy Gal Says:

Wogboy many thanks for the Police Academy link at 9.10pm,one of my favorite films,and thats one of my favorite scenes,ive watched it a few times already,absolutely hilarious ha ha ;)….


Vami Says:

Oddsmakers have Novak as a clear favourite today. I think its 50:50, or even I’d give Roger a slight advantage.

Novak was much more consistent this season but at the WTF this year I see Roger as a steadier guy, Novak oscillated much more and he looks and likely is very tired. Going deep into all big tournaments got to him. It’s strange to say for a guy who’s 34 but he looks fresher and I don’t think Roger playing after Novak yesterday will be a factor at all.

This one is hard to call, I usually predict the outcome of their matches fairly well; If I was a gambler I’d put a few bucks on Roger today. Not because I’m certain that he will win but the odds are just a little bit off.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Giles @4.20am just noticed your post,exactly and well said,Michaels post was indeed a bit disrespectful to Rafa….


skeezer Says:

^My sentiments exactly!


skeezer Says:

Re-watching the Rafa-Nole Semi and it reminds me how Nole is the best player on the planet on handling Rafa’s FH. How does he do it? 2 factors:
1)He doesn’t fear it, he welcomes it.
2)He can run Rafa way too much out wide on the FH side. His BH dominantly early, no matter what Rafa’s FH would do.
Said it along time ago, whoever figures out how to deal with Rafa’s monster FH will dominate him, cause Rafa has no other outstanding fearful weapon in his arsenal.


Okiegal Says:

Skeezer…..please name those Rafa fans of old by name……some of the TX posters might think you’re talking about me……. :)

Wow, why are some of the posters in foul moods today? Oh, Skeezer, I just now realize why you didn’t name call……I couldn’t bring myself to do it either!! Lol Guess it is best to just read between the lines…….have a nice rest of the week-end!! Okey Dokey???


Okiegal Says:

I guess I ran everyone off. Oh, well not the first time. I’ve noticed a few threads end with my posts. I don’t know why…..I’m a friendly sort……..Wake up OKIE, not everyone likes you…… :(


Giles Says:

Going with the bearded one today. Hope he kicks some butt! 😜


Alexandra Says:

What is with all those articles calling for more respect for Djokovic. What do these people want? He is practically declared the goat by some for this year alone. Respect is not the same as love. Get it into your heads.


jalep Says:

Okie, it’s not that. For me, the past 7 months – I work night shift so that means during the days I work, and on my days off like today, my entire world revolves around sleeping. I can be here one minute and the next…asleep, if I’m lucky. If I’ve missed any of your posts to me, I’m sorry.

More importantly for tennis and posters, it’s the end of the season – after today, only a Davis Cup next weekend and that’s it. Dysfunctional tennis fanatics get a little moody; it’s a long wait until January! Tough year for Rafa fans but all indications look good for 2016. Federer fans have been through it – it’s not the end of Rafa.

Nole fans should be extremely happy, but there’s an edge of the life all is not fair for Nole tone sometimes because he doesn’t get the level of media hype that Fedal had and still irritatingly has. To me, it makes him even more appealing but that’s how I roll.

After this final, maybe tomorrow, I want to post about Nole.

Speaking of sleep, hope you are getting enough too. ;)

Fedole in 30 minutes…


J-Kath Says:

As we wait for the BIG FINAL…I’m pretty sizzling at David Lloyd (ex Captain of GB’s Davis Cup) who accuses Andy Murray of not giving the country from which he benefitted enough of his time to support the growth of British tennis players.

….for crying out loud …who is David Lloyd …an ex. of big USA female tennis player…as the Captain of the DC it was up to him to spearhead and convince the facilities and the enthusiasm needed…or does he want Andy Murray to pick up where he left off …nowhere.

I’m mouthing off …but this kind of criticism of Andy prior to a big match is bl–dy unfair, rotten…while Lloyd himself had difficulty figuring out which end of the racquet was supposed to be used to hit the ball. ugh………


Chrisford1 Says:

Well, the thread may be dead, Okiegal, but you are not a thread killer.
I hope this upcoming Holiday season does not find you alone, BTW, but in the company of good friends and relatives.


jalep Says:

J-Kath, link?
have not had time to read.
Keep noticing how well K. Edmund is doing.


jalep Says:

CF1 is right, Okie! You are not a thread killer. Me? an unapologetic thread killer – guilty as charged. Yikes.


jeez Says:

As long as Federer is atleast serving 2/3 1st

serve(67%) mixing with volleying he could beat

Djokovic fairly comfortably..

But if serve dips + occasional errors,he could find

himself in a very tough situation …

And key for Djokovic is making Federer run

changing directions like what he did with Nadal…

Hope both play with full POTENTIAL


Daniel Says:

Federer winning long rally and holding after saving BP. A trend in his matches with Djoko facing BP early on.


Daniel Says:

BP for Fed now, wasted in a netted FH


jeez Says:

Federer not coming to net so far!!

Hmmm…


Daniel Says:

What a defense point by Fed and a nice bH dtl to force Djoko error. So far nobody holding easy


jeez Says:

2nd BP for Nole


Daniel Says:

Djoko with an insane passing shot to set BP and ge got the break with Fh net from Fed.


jalep Says:

Don’t know where to post.


Daniel Says:

Another 30-30 game.


Daniel Says:

2 aces in a row for Djoko to close the break, leading 3-1


Daniel Says:

0-30 on Djoko’s serve, chance for Fed to break back


jeez Says:

BP FEDERER !!


jeez Says:

That could be the turning point

4-2 Djokovic


jeez Says:

SERVE & VOLLEY


Okiegal Says:

@Jalep
@ChrisFord

I just didn’t give the thread enough time. Should have known when it’s time for the finals things would pick back up. Chris, I won’t be alone, thanks for the good CHRISTMAS wishes.

A good match going on…..very enjoyable….some grinding….which I love, I have to admit! :)


jeez Says:

Just as I had said if Federer ‘s serve dips 57% with errors he would find it tough!!!


madmax Says:

jalep!

Just got on but seems the match has started!

First set to NOvak, tell me, as you seem to have been watching from the start – will check on the other post see what is happening. I just can’t get a decent live stream. So relying on your comments so far.

Thanks Jalep.

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