Boris Becker: Roger Federer’s 2006 Season Was Better Than Novak Djokovic’s 2015!
by Tom Gainey | November 25th, 2015, 11:54 am
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Boris Becker told the Roger Federer fan relax Monday. The former tennis great admitted in a tweet that his player Novak Djokovic’s just-finished 2015 season was not as great as Federer’s 2006 campaign.

 

Roger Federer (2006) v Novak Djokovic (2015)

Roger
Novak
Federer
Djokovic
Year
2006
2015
W-L
92-5
82-6
W-L Pct.
0.948
0.932
Titles
12
11
Finals
16
15
Tourn Plyd
17
16
Slams Titles
3
3
Masters Titles
4
6
Top 10 W-L
19-4
31-5
Bagels
19
12
Breadsticks
20
33
Total Pts Won
56%
56%
Service Games Won
90%
89%
Return Games Won
32%
34%
Brk Pts Conv
43%
44%


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195 Comments for Boris Becker: Roger Federer’s 2006 Season Was Better Than Novak Djokovic’s 2015!

James Says:

Its a tough call between the two years. What breaks it SLIGHTLY in Fed’s favor is that his losses (I think 3 out of the 5, all close??) were to Nadal on clay – the absolute CLAY GOAT. Djoke has lost to Fed thrice on his own favorite surface – hard courts. And Fed is 34. By 2006, Nadal was an absolute beast on clay.

But the W-L against top 10 for Djoke is startling!


Ben Pronin Says:

2015 was the better year. Not by a lot but Novak won more of the bigger titles.

Also, I don’t understand how Djokovic played so many top 10 players. 41% of his matches were against the top 10 and 38% of his wins were against the top 10. If Djokovic can get super easy draws from now on that’d be pretty cool.


SG1 Says:

I think the nod goes to Novak here. Yes, Roger won more matches lost less of them and played on all 4 slam finals, winning three. But, in the 3 slams he did win, Federer didn’t have to play himself.

Also, Novak’s 31-5 record against top 10′ers is astounding and then there’s the fact he 6 Master’s titles in addition to his 3 slams. This has been a season for the ages…but I still think Novak was a better player in 2011 :)


James Says:

I agree Novak was a better player in 2011. Fed took him out at the French otherwise he would have won it that year. Competition was much tougher in 2011 than its now – heck the top 10 is now 30+ average age!

Though at peak level – Fed I think is the best ever – except on clay, where a peak Nadal is unbeatable.

Grass? I’ll take a peak Fed over anyone including Sampras.

Hard courts? I’ll take a peak Fed over Djoke.

Clay? No questions there.


SG1 Says:

In 2006, Roger played Bagdhatis in the AO final, Nadal in the Wimbledon final and Roddick in the USO final.

In 2015, Novak beat Federer twice (Wimbledon and USO) and Andy Murray.

To me at least, Novak had the tougher road to his 3 slams than in 2015 than Federer did in 2006.


elina Says:

Boris also claims that Roger is not as nice as he portrays himself to be.

In 2005 Roger played just seven Masters and went out in the second round of Cincy. His wins are padded from smaller tournaments

He had just 14 wins against Top 10 opponents compared to Novak’s 31.

Two of the best years ever certainly, but 2005 wasn’t of the same quality by a long shot.


SG1 Says:

James,

I pretty much agree though I would take Sampras over Federer on grass. If Andy Roddick almost beat Roger, I feel pretty confident that a prime Sampras could figure him out.


Ben Pronin Says:

No one’s talking about 2005.

So winning is now stat padding? Interesting.


elina Says:

Ooops, wrong year.

But same applies to 2006 where Roger won four of seven Masters entered compared to Novak’s significantly superior six of eight making finals in all of them.


SG1 Says:

Is it possible that Boris is just trying to find ways to keep his guy motivated for next year? I mean, if Novak wins the French, the only thing left for him to accomplish would be a calendar slam.


elina Says:

You said it, not me. Winning is winning but beating Top 10 players vs lower ranked players enters into the comparison to be sure. Even Gainey points that out above.


elina Says:

If you read much of what Boris says on twitter, you won’t read too much into what he says. Very funny guy – not always intentionally.


James Says:

in 2015, Djoke’s opponent in 2 of the finals was a 34 year old player. That’s not tough competition. Third was Murray – a pigeon for the big 3. Roddick in 2006 at the USO was not an easy player to play – had won the USO before, had been No. 1 before, and was on home ground. Harder than plaing Murray at the Aus Open which he has never won. Nadal in 2006 on grass was no pigeon either – a 20 year old fearless and fierce player who had already won two slams and was ranked No 2 (I think). And a lefty. Much harder playing that rather than a 34 year old in a best of 5 who had won a single slam in the previous 5 years.

Different people can judge competition differently – some of it has to be subjective since its not possible to have an apples-to-apples comparison, ever.

Regardless, if Djoke wins the French, he will have a legitimate claim as being better than Nadal overall. Unless Nadal does something dramatic in 2016.


James Says:

Becker has shot off more than his mouth on multiple occasions. regardless of what he says, I don’t give it much credence. As a loser of 4 wimbledon finals himself, he should know better.


Ben Pronin Says:

And I agree that 2015 is the superior year. But saying he padded his stats is nonsense. He won 3/4 slams and 4 Masters in 6 finals.

If you look at his schedule, it’s not like he intentionally avoided the Masters. 2006 was one of the rare years Federer skipped Hamburg, an event he’s had a lot of success at, after playing Nadal for 5 hours in Rome. Like Novak this year, Federer paced himself accordingly. What was the other Masters he skipped, Paris? Wasn’t Paris on the heels of Basel and right before the YEC back then? Apparently he also played Tokyo (and won) that year. That’s a lot of tennis in a short span.

2015 stands on its own. You don’t need to belittle 2006 to make it look better.


Ben Pronin Says:

“Djoke’s opponent in 2 of the finals was a 34 year old player. That’s not tough competition.”

Wrong.

“Harder than plaing Murray at the Aus Open which he has never won.”

Wrong.

“Nadal in 2006 on grass was no pigeon either”

Wrong.


James Says:

Even though I believe Fed is GOAT (at least as of now), Both Djoke and Nadal are mentally tougher (and physically too). Fed had too much game, so didn’t have to rely that much on mental or physical toughness. 2004-07 he went 325-24, 11 slams, I think a third of the losses were to Nadal mostly on clay. Nadal had less game, the mental and physical toughness compensated – Djoke has taken it to a different level. Their 5th set records are proof of that – I think 5th set record is the biggest proof of mental (and physical) toughness.

I am most curious about how Djoke fares past age 30. We have seen Nadal rapidly declines as he slowed down just a touch – but Djoke is changing his game already in anticipation of that. I think his decline will not be that steep – maybe more Fed like.

Of course, it depends also on whether any younger player steps up. Otherwise he will have a field day!


skeezer Says:

“Boris also claims that Roger is not as nice as he portrays himself to be.”
What does that have to do with anything?


elina Says:

I’m not belittling it, just comparing it to the BYOAT. You can’t make 2015 look better without comparisons.

In 2015, Roger had a higher percentange of aces, 1st-serve percentage, 1st serve percentage points won compared to 2006.

This year he broke more than he was broken by a higher margin than in 2006 also. Roger has made three of the last six slam finals with just one guy stopping him. In five of the last six slams, he lost to the eventual winners.

At the US and French, Cilic and Stan just happened to be zoning in Fed-like, I mean God-like mode!!!


James Says:

Ben – Wrong.


skeezer Says:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/roger-federer-novak-djokovic-best-season-in-tennis-history-ever-2006-2015-john-mcenroe-rafael-nadal-grand-slams

More evidence that Becker got it right……by a net cord.

If you read the write up…I mean does it really matter….their accomplishments were unreal in the stretch of a year. And both and have more than one year they did that. (2011 & 2005)


Wog Boy Says:

Boris is trolling, he dies that often and for a reason, he is not stupid, didn’t he gave information prior the USO that Nole is practicing with Mario Anicic how to play against SABR, Boris is bigger fox than the people think he is.

2015 is better than 2006, the only year that one can say might be better than 2015 is 1969 (open era) because of Rod Laver winning calendar slam, but in those days three of the slams were played on grass (?) which perfectly suited Laver’s game. One more thing, in 2006 Roger hasn’t won one single clay title, Nole won on all surfaces.


Wog Boy Says:

^^ not “he dies” but “he does”


Ben Pronin Says:

Chris Chase sucks.

His conclusion came down to Federer losing to Nadal at the French instead of Stan. I’ll agree it’s less bad to lose to Nadal than Stan. But if that’s your nitpick, why not go further? In the semifinal, Federer was in trouble against one of the greatest under-achievers in the sport: Nalbandian. Federer looked like he had things turned around but Nalbandian retired before the match was completed, so who knows? This was the same Nalbandian who beat Federer from 2 sets to love down at the YEC just a few months back.

Djokovic had to play Murray, a 2 time slam champ, in the SF that stretched over 2 days. Federer beat Mario Ancic in the quarters. So I guess he gets the edge there because Djokovic only beat a random Spaniard… oh wait!

If you give it to Federer by a net cord because of that kind of nitpicking… Chris Chase sucks.

Elina, I know why we’re arguing but I don’t know why we’re arguing. We both agree 2015 is the best single season ever completed by a player.


elina Says:

Great point about the results on clay WB.


elina Says:

Ben, we also agree that most fans who play tennis are well aware that Chris Chase sucks.


Ben Pronin Says:

Can you provide the stats, though?


skeezer Says:

“Chris Chase sucks”.
So, this guy is good enough to write and work for a major publication, but you guys don’t write for a major publication do you?
Alot of sucks around here.


Ben Pronin Says:

Is he, though? He used to write for Yahoo, where he sucked, too. I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes but I know the quality of his writing, or lack-thereof.


Chrisford1 Says:

The Skeezer mindset –
“So, this guy is good enough to write and work for a major publication, but you guys don’t write for a major publication do you?
A lot of sucks around here.”

Which has all the power of logic as the following:

Assad/Obama/Cameron/Putin/Abe suck, you say, but I notice that you are not the leader of a major country, so you must suck worse than any leader you criticize.


Wog Boy Says:

“Can you provide the stats, though?”

Was that question for me, what stats? About Boris trolling or Roger not winning clay court title in 2006?


elina Says:

Ben nailed it. Preach it Ben. Shamon.

Other article gems from the literary master:

Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic don’t like each other, says Boris Becker

(link available)

That’s so Roger: Evaluating Federer’s cocky comments

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/tennis-busted-racquet/roger-evaluating-federer-cocky-comments-154457703.html

Roger Federer just made Rafael Nadal’s case for greatest of all time

(link available)

Nobel Literary Award type stuff indeed.


Ben Pronin Says:

WB, it was for Elina.

CF1, man I can’t wait to use that counter on someone. Thanks.

Skeeze, Chris Chase is a Federer fanboy hardcore. He’s not a journalist, he’s just a blogger. His first 8ish points are pretty valid and then he nitpicks the French Open FINAL to make the case that Federer’s year was better. As I posted above, there’s a lot we can nitpick.


Chrisford1 Says:

In looking at Rogers 2006 season and who the Top 20 were, to see how it matches up with Djokovic’s run this year, I can’t decide. It is not clear who was better or how you should weigh elements favoring each guy over the other. Higher win % vs playing and winning a ridiculous record 31 victories over Top 10 foes….and so on. More titles or wins for Fed vs the higher quality and difficulty of Nole’s results. Etc,

As as aside it is interesting to note that 2006 was Roger’s 1st encounters with Andy and Novak. Novak took him to a highly competitive 3 sets in Monte Carlo, and Andy actually beat him in Cincinnati. Roger was on notice that new, top talent was arriving. Bahgdatis also was that year, but though really talented, never got into the top ranks. 2006 had Djokovic rocket up 62 places in ranking to #16, and Andy 48 places to #17.


kriket Says:

Hey, I actually thought that “That’s So Roger” column actually funny. Too bad it only had 2 issues afaik.

Were masters events in 2006 best of 5 events? If so, that must be taken into account.

And I don’t buy this “Federer who is 34″ argument either. He just ploughed through the the field save for Đoko. And the way he loses to Đoko resembles his losses to Nadal bak in his heyday. So, I’m not really sure why Fed’s age had to be stressed out everytime his name is mentioned.
The guy doesn’t play like he’s handicapped, he never mentions it, only the commentators do.

Federer plays outstandingly, but he cannot beat Đoko in big matches, same as he couldn’t beat Nadal once he got in his head. That’s all there is to it. Being 34 doesn’t help, but that’s not the reason he loses the finals.

I’ve read Tignor’s article the other day where he mentions how he was surprised to notice the uncertainty in Federer’s eyes when he came out on court in USO finals. As if he hadn’t just beaten Đoko in Cincy a few weeks back.

So it clearly isn’t the case that his age is the main issue. It’s the selfconfidence. Simple as that.

I wish people stopped dubbing Federer – “Federer aged 34″.


Sean Randall Says:

I just voted Novak. I tempted to write my reason in another post.


Chrisford1 Says:

Sean – I hope you give in to temptation and share your thoughts on this. It is a tough call, IMO.


skeezer Says:

Sean Randall vs. Chris Chase, who’s your daddy?


Wog Boy Says:

According to poll above, Roger is clear winner, case closed..


jane Says:

hey all, i am not jumping into this fray right now as just too swamped. but there is a cool breakdown of stats and some analysis of why becker said what he said at this blog:

http://theultimatetennisblog.com/becker-2006-was-even-better-than-2015/

take it for what you will. cheers!


Travis Bickle Says:

http://www.changeovertennis.com/did-novak-djokovics-2015-season-best-bernard-tomics-2015/

This is the same type of analysis Chase did. Except this one proves that Tomic’s 2015 was better than Novak’s 2015. I really think Chris Chase is onto something here – his methodology and logical reasoning especially regarding RG loss parameterization is revolutionary.
I see federinas like Chase’s analysis, so this one is for them. I vote for Bernie’s season. One of the proofs:
Djokovic — 11 titles, three Grand Slams, 7 Masters 1000 events (including ATP WTF) and a lowly 500 event in Beijing.
Tomic — One ATP 250 title, almost four slams, almost 11 Masters 1000 titles.
Winning almost 11 Masters 1000s is insane. There aren’t 11 Masters 1000 tournaments on the ATP calendar, which makes Tomic’s accomplishment here even more remarkable.

Advantage Tomic!


Wog Boy Says:

jane,
Thanks, nice read and exactly my opinion about Boris, he’s got even the color of the hair like red fox.

TB,
Thanks too, nice reading, though for different reasons;)


Ben Pronin Says:

TB, I read that, too. It was pretty funny.


jane Says:

there’s one other writer who commented on this that i know of, and that’s steve flink from the tennis channel: here’s the quote

“In my view, he also outdid the Connors of 1974 and eclipsed McEnroe in 1984. I also put this one just above Federer in 2006, but slightly below Laver’s outstanding 1969 campaign. ”

and the link

http://tennischannel.com/steve-flink-barclays-atp-world-tour-finals-belongs-to-djokovic/

i love how detailed flink’s analyses are, and how relatively unbiased and historically centred as well.


Federer Fans Says:

At that time federer is unbeatable in 2006.but Novak Djokovic is not unbeatable in 2015.Federer is on his peak against Rafael Nadal he is Also a champion at that time.Rafael Nadal is better than Novak Djokovic in 2006 as compare to 2015 ao Roger is always the best player….. as compare to history of tennis…..


Wog Boy Says:

and I thought my English is bad..


Pauly Says:

Roger in 2006 was better … Take Nadal out & he only had one loss to murray …
Whereas Djokovic lost to Federer Murray Wawrinka karlovic
Next year will be even better for Djokovic … Even if he wins only one slam … The French is all he desires !


Pauly Says:

Djokovic will win 18 grand slams before he retires at 34 yrs old

7 Australian opens
2 French opens
5 wimbledons
4 us opens
Total
18 Djokovic

Federer will have 18 also retires aged 38
Nadal 16 Retires aged 32
Murray will have 5 retires aged 33
Wawrinka 4 slams retires aged 33

My prediction


Rath S K Says:

Roger and Novac both are great players. At the same time they are different
different players so far as playing style is concerned. While Novac is all concentration, reach, stamina and power, Roger is all grace, variety, imagination and innovation. While Novac forces you to commit a mistake, Roger tries to win a rally by creting a masterlys stroke. Every top player has qualities that no other can emulate. I personally feel that there are many great players but Roger is the greatest.


Margot Says:

@TB
Glad there’s a fellow Tomic fan out there…somewhere….;)


calmdownplease Says:

@pauly

Yeah alright Mystic Meg!

I don’t think anything you have said will be accurate, however.


Pauly Says:

Calmdownplease

I’m only speculating that’s all it is … But Djokovic will win many more slams


calmdownplease Says:

He could get injured and be out tomorrow
Life’s like that (although it is unlikely to be such a serious situation)
Actually, the fact that he never get’s injured makes me think he will be at some point.
He’s due something.
Even the ‘effortless’ Fed has had that now.
And like HE has benefited from others having injury problems and being out for lengthy periods, most likely it will even itself out somewhat in the future to his disadvantage.
Just how much will remain to be seen although this is mere speculation too, or more an informed guess.
(Plus his opponents can still get injured again or be out for some reason)
But I mean, nobody is THAT lucky.


Giles Says:

Cdp. Tread carefully on the injury topic. Ben Pronin and others will accuse you of wishing injury on joker.


calmdownplease Says:

Giles, do I LOOK like someone that ‘treads carefully’ to you?

Whatever, anyway, and no I certainly don’t wish Novak any injuries.
Just keeping it real in my own little way.


madmax Says:

Boris Becker makes my skin crawl. He is the one who stokes up the trouble between roger and novak. I think Novak is great, just think Roger is greater.

Respect to Novak. No respect to Becker.

Read this where all the analysis has been done.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/roger-federer-novak-djokovic-best-season-in-tennis-history-ever-2006-2015-john-mcenroe-rafael-nadal-grand-slams


Okiegal Says:

Is Pauly the new Jamie?? I will agree that he’ll win more slams, barring injuries……don’t want anyone to think that I hope this happens eithe cause that’s not my style. I will agree with CDP, regarding injuries, Novak has been very fortunate. Federer has the best sport genes ever I believe the back injury hit him when he was older and the mono, a very serious illness which is hard to recover from happens to a few that’s on the tennis circuit. I guess so much traveling from country to country doesn’t help with disease control. They say airplanes are the worst place for contracting an illness. (or coming in contact with a bomb) Flying is hazardous to your health, that’s why I don’t fly.
Yes I know more people are killed in cars…….but, I still won’t get on the big bird!!! Lol HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL WHO CELEBRATE THIS HOLUDAY. Did any pilgrims land in any other countries? Didn’t take world history in school. It was offered, but chose to forgo it, but I’m now sorry I did. Anyway,
have a nice holiday for those who do!! :) Okie


Okiegal Says:

@Calmdownplease……what do you look like??


Okiegal Says:

@Madmax…..He makes my skin crawl too, but for other reasons….


madmax Says:

The thing is Oki, I think he feeds of Novak’s success. I really do. As if it was not for Becker, Novak would not have this success.

Novak has made his own success.

Becker lives on his own past successes and loves being in the lime light. Hankers after it. Can’t get enough of it. Lives it through Novak.


Wog Boy Says:

“..(or coming in contact with a bomb) Flying is hazardous to your health”

Soryy Okie, I don’t think that statment is quite appropriate and respectfull to people who died in terrorist attacks around the world, regardless of race and nationallity, last plane that was blown up was full of holiday makers (and children) flying back home, what if you had loved one in that plane, would you make same statment (joke)?:(


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic has been injured. And no one is “due” for an injury. That’s ridiculous.


Wog Boy Says:

Boris Becker is was blessing in disguise, until he joined team Nole was losing GS final after final .. every person that follows tennis (not just worshipping one tennis players) knows that Nole improved his game (servis, volley, coming to net, shortening the points, transition game etc) that resulted in winning 4 GS, 10 masters, 2 WTF .. under the guidance of Boris Becker. Last but not least Boris improved Nole’s mental approach, the results speak for themselves. One thing that Boris is doing really good, and Nole team didn’t have that before, is trolling (in postive way) social media and making people aware of certan things, so yes long live Boris, he is needed and very welcome addition to already great Nole team.


Okiegal Says:

@Wog Boy…..
Oh my I’m so sorry. Not my intention at all. I hope no one on this forum lost a loved one on that last plane terrorist attack. I’m deeply sorry for the statement. Everyone knows I don’t fly, deathly afraid, always have been. But the unrest between nations makes me have another reason. Seriously, truly sorrow. I said it without the thought of hurting someone. I wish there was a delete button…..I’m sick about this…….


Okiegal Says:

@Madmax….You make a good point about BB..never thought about it like that…..You could be spot on with that assumption.


Ben Pronin Says:

Becker has been a great couch, no doubt. Regardless of his personality, he’s taken Djokovic to his current level.


Travis Bickle Says:

This “due for an injury” concept is nothing but a wishful thinking on part of members of the “anybody but Novak” brigade…

In that brigade there are many types – truly hateful and malicious folks like Giles and Sienna, as well as over-the-top individuals who are loud but not malicious at all as our own calmdownplease.

However, you cannot use simple statistics when it comes to injuries and think that it all evens out at the end. Some players simply have much lower risk of getting injured than the others, be it genetics,their lifestyle choices and their playing style. So to think that Novak who stretches an hour/day even on his vacation and carefully plans what he eats will have the same chance of injury like Nadal and Murray is plain stupid (or baseless wishful thinking). It is not going to even out at the end of their careers.
It is reasonable to assume that, at the end of their respective careers, Djoker will have much less injury time compared to Nadal or Murray. You are free to wish otherwise, but the reality doesn’t support you!


elina Says:

“Last but not least Boris improved Nole’s mental approach, the results speak for themselves.”

Definitely not least. Everything else is compromised without it.

It was Novak’s stated reason for getting BB and it’s paid great dividends as he is im my mind (after watching this year’s US Open final, the mentally strongest player on tour.


tennisfansince76 Says:

I actually think novak’s 2011 was his better although granted he did not finish as strongly. he started the year by beating fed in straights at AO and then whomping Murray for the title. He then defeats Nadal back to back at IW and Miami. In Indian wells nadal’s serve went off but Miami was total warfare. Novak overcame Nadal in a three set slugfest in hot humid conditions formerly his bete noire. He follows this up by beating the king of clay 2 matches in a row in straight sets no less. Never been done before. He was prevented from playing Nadal in the French final by fed playing a scintillating match.
At Wimbledon after steamrolling Nadal for two sets with both the no. 1 ranking and first Wimbledon title on the line he gets nervy and drops a set but then closes it out. On to the us open. Nole and federer play a titanic 5 set match where the level of play wa unreal. Federer unable to cash in either of two match points for the second year in a row. On to the final where he bests Nadal in another ridiculously physical match in 4.
So although the overall consistency was higher this year I give more points for beating an in form Nadal 6 times in a row for major finals. Nadal was simply much more formidable in2011 than he was this year. Plus the two great federer matches, losing one and snatching victory from defeat in the other. IMHO.
And that is not to take away from 2015 which has as good a year as anyone has has since open tennis began.


Ben Pronin Says:

Comparing level of play is nearly impossible, though. Just from a results perspective 2015 is the best. But, for example, Nadal’s level was probably higher in 2013 than in 2010 but results wise 2010 was better.


J-Kath Says:

TB – Your recent statements are somewhat dubious. You don’t actually know the routine of any of these of these players, but you make statements that indicate you do. It is this kind of “I’m telling You” that tends to spoil what is often reasonable comments.

The reality actually does not support your conclusions.

I wonder – I do hope – that you can resist the need to try to prove your thesis.

Cheers.


Giles Says:

So stretching and a gluten free diet greatly diminish the risk of injury?? What a load of cods wallop this TB is trying to feed us! LMAO.


Travis Bickle Says:

J-Kath,

This is what I do know:
As I said, Novak stretches an hour/day even on his vacations, and wrote a book on his careful dietary choices. Looking at him, he has no big muscles and his body is very efficient for tennis.

I don’t know for sure but I believe Murray on his vacations does not stretch very often and loves playing video games :) Also he does too much weight lifting as evidenced by too much muscle mass in his upper body (for tennis) – no wonder his back got injured.

Nadal’s muscles, game style and propensity for injuries… let’s not go there.

So J-Kath, you are free to disagree and you are free to wish their injuries even out in future, meaning Novak is “due” for a major injury, but I based my post on the logic I presented. It may be wrong, and that’s OK – who cares!
But if the only hope of “anybody but Novak” brigade is him getting injured so others could win, I say good luck with that!


Yolita Says:

There are 14 elite events in tennis: 4 GS, 9 masters 1000 and the WTF.
In 2015, Novak played 13, made the finals in ALL of them and won 10.
In 2006, Roger played 12, made the finals in 11 and won 8.
Those numbers alone tilt the balance in Novak’s favour.
Roger entering more smaller events added to his number of wins and titles. But 2 masters 1000 trumps 3 250s tournaments.
3GS+1F+6M1k+2F+WTF>3GS+1F+4M1k+2F+WTF
Add to that that Novak earned a record number of ranking points, that he won titles in all surfaces, that he beat a record 31 top-10 players in one season (Roger beat 19), that the average rank of his opponents was about 36, whereas the average rank of Roger’s opponents was around 63, that he ended the season with a positive H2H against all his rivals, and it is difficult to make a case for 2006 whcih doesn’t rely on subjective judgements.
I dont think we will ever see a season in which one player makes the finals of 13/4 elite events and wins 10 of them including 3 GS and the WTF. Ít’s not human.
I think Boris was being sarcastic, the wording of the tweet was subtle, but the irony was there. He’s toying with Roger’s fans and pundits in the same way that he toyed with Roger, his team and pundits about SABR: calling it disrespectful so that they thought he had no answer to it…which they dutifully did. We all saw the beautiful lobs. :)
This attitude of Boris, not afraid of mocking Federer and his groupies is one of the many reasons why I think Boris is very good for Novak. Without Boris, Novak would not have been able to cope with the NY crowd.
I doubted Boris in the beginning, but he has won me over. And how.


RZ Says:

Have to agree with Wog Boy that this is Boris trolling and he has his reasons for doing this (maybe keeping Novak motivated? Maybe trying to sell more copies of his book?)

As much as I’d love to give the greatest season designation to Fed, gotta give the edge to Novak here. 6 Masters to 4, and many more top 10 wins.

But look at the #s from both guys – they are so similar in many categories!


Wog Boy Says:

Yolita thanks for the posts, I am not so eloquent and masterful in putting my thoughts on paper, not in English since it is my third language, but thanks God for you , jane, CF1, TB and others who are very much eloquent and “are thorn in the flash of some Roger fans” as that eloquent English lady with the name Purcell would say, I would also like her to read this again:

“He’s toying with Roger’s fans and pundits in the same way that he toyed with Roger, his team and pundits about SABR: calling it disrespectful so that they thought he had no answer to it…which they dutifully did. We all saw the beautiful lobs. :)
This attitude of Boris, not afraid of mocking Federer and his groupies is one of the many reasons why I think Boris is very good for Novak. Without Boris, Novak would not have been able to cope with the NY crowd.
I doubted Boris in the beginning, but he has won me over. And how.”
Agree 100%, I don’t know how they didn’t see it before, probably blinded with the greatness of their man.


Wog Boy Says:

^^ just to stress again “some Roger fans” and majority of them, absolutely not.


Okiegal Says:

2006 was then, 2015 is now…..Novak is the best player atm……deal with it! I see Novak winning so much more.


Chrisford1 Says:

I admit that it is very tough to say if Federer’s 2006 or Djokovic’s 2015 are the best. I wish to be objective on this. Both guys were at a high performance level and going for a over a full year like they did anchors Nole and Rog’s reputation as the two most consistent players ever in their peak years.
I guess that is why I rate both of their seasons above anyone else’s, even the sacred Grand Slam year of Rod Laver.
Start with a premise that a pro season is NOT “all about the 3-4 Slams then in existence in the last half century, since only 4 tournaments matter.” If you look at Laver’s year, he had a solid, but unspectacular 1969. The year before, it was uncertain the Australian National Championships (later upgraded to a bona fide Slam, albeit with much less money and ‘prestige’ than the other Slams for the next 10-15 years) would be in Dec 1968 or 1969. Fortunately for afficionados believing that a calendar year Slam is the be all and end all, so much more prestigious than a non-calendar Grand Slam….it was played in January 1969. Times were different, the sport was still plenty of barnstorming, the talent pool of top players was predominantly Australian, matches were not as physically draining. Training consisted of practice play, running distance to build stamina, light calisthenics – before big meals and lots of beer,
Laver entered 32 events in 1969, and made the Final of 23 of them. Pretty darn good, but not at the Fed/Djokovic level of consistency against a far larger and deeper pool of players. That’s why I put Laver 3rd, even though he won the Holy 4some.
I’d even go with the idea that given Laver’s “missing years” when he was helping lay the foundation for the Open Era and was banned from the Holy 4 as a non-amateur, he should get an honorary “best year ever”. Because we will never know what his Slam Count and other stats would have been against the whole field of players from 1963-68. And every player owes Laver for that ‘records boo’ sacrifice he made.

Back to Federer/Djokovic. Roger had the higher win percent and in 2006 Nadal was already signalling a transition to a stronger era was happening with his dominance over Fed on clay. But Roger only played 23 times against Top 10 players in a weaker field than 2015′s, losing 4 times to them, while Djokovic played 36 times losing only 5 times. Nole only lost once to a player outside the Top 10 – the always dangerous Dr Ivo. And that loss was in a warmup event Djokovic traditionally enters mainly to shake the rust off.
You could argue that when Nole was playing after that in 2015, and in a mindframe he was “in it to win it”, he made Every Final of Every Event he entered. Fed did not.

Djokovic won the most time-normalized points of any player for a year.
His 2 extra Masters wins beats Federers “extra credit” wins and points from 3 ATP 250 events he entered.
And since tennis is practically a continuum, played without a real “off season” – it may be fairer to look at best period of time playing, vs, just one calendar year………Federer played 2006 with “genius”. He had an awesome 2005 as well, reminiscent of Nole’s 2011 – a great year until the fall season when he was spent, injured, no longer the force he was for the first 3/4ths of 2005. The other side, 2007, was another good year – but he had a less than dominant spring season thanks to Nadal And Canas – and 2007 signaled that a new era in competition was coming at him as Rafa was becoming a real force off clay, and Novak Djokovic and to a lesser extent, Murray had arrived in the Top 10 and the two youngsters had the talent to beat Fed now and then.
Novaks 2015 is bracketed by his strong fall 2014 finish. And the 2016 encore awaits to see if he meets or exceeds Feds level in 2005 or 2007.


Chrisford1 Says:

Should add “If you look at Laver’s year, he had a solid, but unspectacular 1969, outside the Slams


J-Kath Says:

TB – OK, but players start at different levels of fitness and some (more than others) have to overcome birth defects e.g. Andy. Some acquire them e.g. Del Potro, requiring remedial surgery on both wrists… in some ways acquiring injuries are worse than being born with them.

Certainly I do not wish any of them to acquire injuries (I live with a disabled husband).

Andy Murray responded to critism from David Lloyd by posting a picture of his back-view doing a climbing exercise…looked weird…


Giles Says:

Lol. Big deal. NOT!
Why doesn’t he part with some of his millions which would be more appropriate.


roy Says:

Masters Titles
4 fed
6 djoker

Top 10 W-L
19-4 fed
31-5 djoker

*

those two stats definitely put djoker ahead in the comparison. you can’t ignore two more masters events particularly.

in other news becker is an idiot and one of the worst commentators ever seen.


Daniel Says:

Also Boris waited Novak to win WTF to add his comment that Fed’s year was better. If he really thought that he could have said it regardless of WTF results😜 Another example of him toying with press.

Agree with you on this Wog Boy, it’s kind of Boris removing the pressure of Djoko on some topics with his comments leaving Djoko to do the talk with his racquet.

Also I am very curious to see start of 2016. Djoko was playing way more agressive since USO and he was winning more easy. He lost only 3 sets his fall, and if he keeps uplike this he will start winning Slam finals in straight sets now.


Giles Says:

BB mixing it up and trying to cause mischief between fed and joker. But why? He might well regret this ploy. He is obviously unaware of the power of fed and his zillions of fans. To me he is just one extra clown in the joker camp! Lol
Boom Boom Becker!!


Daniel Says:

Murray restoring order. Break up in second set already. Looks like tomorrow will be the turning point.

Which match will take place first on Sunday, Mureay x Goffin or Bemelmans vs Edmund? If he could take 2 sets of Goffin maybe he can take Bemelmans out.


Ben Pronin Says:

I think Murray’s match will be first Sunday.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I’m a big Roger fan, but looking at the numbers I’d have to say Novak was more dominant in 2015 than Fed in 2006. I do think 2011 was more impressive, in that Novak had a serious rival playing at all-time-great level. That wasn’t there in 2015, but if you’re just looking at most dominant season ever, I think we just had it.

Boris was a terrible commentator. But he certainly appears to be a great coach.

As an aside, people look at the Oz win over Baghdatis and think that was weak competition, but I remember that tournament well and Baggie’s play was brilliant. After that final, I was convinced that he would become Fed’s greatest rival, but for whatever reason, he never really fulfilled his promise.


Daniel Says:

Yeah, bit now that Ben mentioning, 2011 he had MP down in USO, in 2015 all his wins were clear victories. Being 1 point away from losing of coirse shows that you have mental strength but his wins in 2015 are cleaner.

And also the Nadal rivalrt after Rome 2011 where Nadal was moonballing, the match was almost embarrassing, it was clear Novak would have the edge, as shown in Wimby. Only in USO that he showed signs of feeling it, than AO were close and by clay season in 2012 Nadal recovered from his mental state agaisnt Djoko.

This year Novak looks more composed in all aspects with a few bad losses.


J-Kath Says:

Daniel – I expect James Ward will play on Sunday. Both teams are allowed last minute changes.


Wog Boy Says:

@7:31
You are far to shallow and stupid to understand, it is not about money but gesture and paying respect the man.The friends of the dead man didn’t try to contact Nole to get some money from him but to ease the pain to his loved ones if that is possible at all, by Nole acknowledging the man and paying respect and tribute to him and his family. It would be highly inappropriate to offer any money and if I am the family of the dead man I would be insulted with that gesture, but who I am talking to, the person who pathologically hate best tennis player in the world, great ambassador of the sport and human being. I just wish he was Rafa fan, we would read different posts.
Stick to the posters of Rafa’s bum on your walls, that’s all you are capable of understanding.


Daniel Says:

If Brits win tomorrow doubles Murray can clinch victory first Match Sunday, if they losurray will have to win and the weight willbe either Wars or Esmund agaisnt Bemelmans? Lokls like the fifth rubber could be a thrillerof comes that far. Hoping for a Doubles win tomorrow and Andy tge Hero cones Sunday, morr fitting.


elina Says:

^^^^
losurray??
a thrillerof comes that far??
Andy tge Hero cones Sunday, morr fitting.??

Where is Colin when you need him?

Daniel is the new Sienna.

Good night everybody! I’m here until Tuesday. Try the veal.


Giles Says:

elina. 3 53 pm. ROFL 🤑


Wog Boy Says:

Just about right, from the other forum:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUcmzeRUsAADi5b.jpg


Chrisford1 Says:

Echo Wog Boy. It is not unusual, for writers and athletes, to acknowledge fans that root for one person or team who are in extremis or pass away.

Same with celebs and prominent pols who must confront the absolute certainty that they will be in a situation where their attention is called to a total stranger who loves them as players or stars of entertainment, or leaders. They are badly ill, dying, or dead. Or the call goes out to “console the masses and PROVE empathy” when a tornado touches down, a volcano blows up, floods happen, hurricanes hit. And sort of be expected to offer some sort of comfort.
And media and “victim’s family activists” championing all victims as SJWs of course demand that top athletes, celebs, pols all show up to “prove they care”
Novak Djokovic and Fed handle this well. They are good guys, with empathy. Andy and Rafa have also shown they are compassionate by nature.
There are time and distance constraints, obviously. Expect that no star athlete or celeb can travel thousands of miles to meet the ill or dying fan, attend funerals on a scale that disrupts their own life and profession.
And the job of leaders is to lead, not be coerced by cheapshot media to be “HEALERs in CHIEF”, attending funerals nonstop of every “special terrorist death”, celeb death, every HERO Government employees with a gun killed by other gunmen.

Giles knows this and is manipulative, or doesn’t know this and is simply stupid. At his root, he is just a tool that LOL! LMAO!! on his dumb wit. (because no one else LOL’s with him.


Pauly Says:

Boris was a big mouth … I recall he called Lendl mentally weak behind his back not to his face which sparked controversy when Lendl said ‘ why is he scared to say that in my face ‘?
Boris also called Thomas muster a drug cheat but he beat him 6-0 on clay final set … Becker was a big mouth !
But at least he’s honest to admit Djokovic dislikes Federer
I think Djokovic also dislikes Nadal too but it hasn’t been made public … The rogers cup match where Nadal was in prime form when he struck Djokovic in the throat wasn’t something Djokovic forgot in a hurry !
Becker was overrated as a tennis player


jane Says:

boris was so exciting to watch; wow, i still remember that first wimbledon win. he was an absolute dynamo. he’s still a dynamo – only now as a coach. most excellent indeed!


skeezer Says:

BB is now crazy, is no good, tryin to mix things up, toying with fans, doesn’t know what he is talking about, or is contriving some cryptic message.
How about just reading it for what it is. A previous top tennis professional (yes winning wimby @17)and now current successful coach of Novak Djokavic ‘s best years is saying the truth.
Who ya gonna believe? No one here that is for sure….


Pauly Says:

Boris Becker isn’t the reason Nole is the best player in the world … Roger & Rafa made him this good by beating him up bad in the past … He’s now just repaying old debts
2016 ????
I think Nadal’s last chance to win slams plus Federer Also … I don’t see how Nadal with his lack of speed can challenge Nole or Federer’s age worry younger Nole …
But good luck to them


Okiegal Says:

Why are we talking about something that happened 9 years ago??? Novak is the new Daddy. This pains me deeply to even say this….gulp….he’s on his way to being the new GOAT! The old GOAT is gonna have to take a back seat, me thinks! Which will mean he passes my guy who was in 2nd place, by some folks estimation…..not me, of course. He’ll always be my GOAT!!!! :)


Okiegal Says:

I remember when Boom Boom started coaching Novak and he lost some matches, some of his fans wanted his head on a platter. Do any of you remember that? When Marion didn’t show up and it was only BB there and if he lost some of his fans, the ones who post on TX wanted Novak to get rid of him…….


skeezer Says:

^oh yeah remember that. Then Nole was playing lights out, BB was given praises by the Nole fan club. Now BB says Fed’s year(s) were better, BB is crazy, cryptic, not truthful, wrong, loud mouth, etc etc etc. lol.


Okiegal Says:

@Skeezer…..Glad your memory is as good as mine!

My post at 12:19 got moderated. I always worry about that. It makes me think I broke the rules. But I meant what I said…..I think it’s on the horizon for Novak to break more records. I guess will see.

Skeezer, do you like Boris? He was never a favorite of mine…never cheered for him.


Wog Boy Says:

Can you give us a names of Nole fans who wanted Boris head on a platter, I just can’t recall that many, actually none of permanent ones, but I can recall that Boris was laughing stock on TX when he joined Nole team, Sean even opened the thread “how long Boris will last with Nole”, unfortunately for Rafa and Roger fan who were making the jokes about Boris he made a joke of Rafa and Roger, so, who had a last laugh?

I am glad you believe Boris and his honesty, Roger 2006 was better year, but you don’t need him to tell you that, Sean poll is clear indication that 2006 was better year and by what margin. 2 to1 voted by “knowledgeable not biased fans”;)


Okiegal Says:

@Wog Boy…..No, I cant give you names but I remember the talk. If TX archives these thread guess I could do some research. You’ve been posting here for awhile and I’m surprised you do not remember. You can recall a lot of other things in the past. I am forgetful, I will admit but I remember the talk….cant recall who…my bad….


Wog Boy Says:

Okie,

It was a talk, bust mostly by Rafa and Roger fans, as I stated, and that talk was mostly ridiculed Boris and Nole for employing Boris. Keep in mind that was never more than handful Nole fans on TX, permament ones, and I just can’t recall any of them wanted Boris head, but as I said I can vividly remember reaction of Rafa and Roger fans…and two years after Boris is holding 4GS, 10 masters, 2 WTF, how many coaches did that and there is more to come.
But I will be honest with you, he wasn’t widely accepted by Nole fans at the beginning and still some of them don’t like him, but he proved them very wrong and I am very happy for Boris. I was never his fan in his playing days but I am his fan now.


Pauly Says:

Becker never won clay court tournament


Wog Boy Says:

“Becker never won clay court tournament”

Sorry, but what that has to do with anything?
Roger hasn’t won CC tournamet in the best year in open era according to some of his followers and Boris, he was MIA on CC but yet some of Roger loyalists believe his 2006 is better than Nole’s 2015…sorry, and Boris too;)


Okiegal Says:

As a Rafa fan I could care less who coaches Novak. I know it wasn’t his entire TX fan base…..maybe two or three?? I don’t know. But you were being honest with me and admitted that some of his fans did not accept him……maybe they are the ones that complained……Rafa fans and Fed fans could have too, I suppose. I don’t know why they would care. But I do realize that a lot of negative talk on this forum is to mainly get a rise out of someone to get a fuss started….


Wog Boy Says:

Okie,

I wasn’t quite precise, sorry, I was talking about Nole fans from Nole forum and some other Serbian forums, not TX. On TX definitely it was some Rafa and Roger fans who were laughing at Nole’s decision to employ Boris, not Nole fans, the ones that are always here..6-7 of us. This was always Roger site (60-65%) little bit less Rafa site (25-30%) and the res (5-10%) Nole, Andy, Delpo, Stan, mighty Cilic and the rest…so there you go.


Pauly Says:

Wogboy

Becker never won clay court tournament …
Nole never won French open that’s my point
In my opinion Nole should’ve brought in another assistant coach THOMAS MUSTER he could help Nole win French open !
Boris hasn’t improved Nole’s game … Nadal
& Federer have !


Giles Says:

Cf1. Still FOS I see. ROFL


calmdownplease Says:

Boris Becker has been a spectacular success!
I have to admit that I couldn’t take him seriously either.
In some ways, I still don’t. But for Tennis I really do.
He reminds me of another Boris a little,
A certain Mr Johnson, Mayor of London who likes to play the bumbling fool, but you’d be the fool to ever underestimate him.
I should also say that both Roger and Novak owe Andy a little debt of gratitude for getting the ball rolling on the star coach situation.


calmdownplease Says:

Another plus with the coaching duties is that we have been spared his f***ing lamentable commentating. Although it may have had the even worse outcome of more Andrew Castle to compensate!


calmdownplease Says:

Also, have any of you even considered for a second the reason that Becker, in his position as Novak’s coach, actually tweeted what he did?
And that it might have been for an ulterior motive?
i.e It might have had NOTHING to do with blowing smoke up his ‘Goatness’s’ behind?
mmm?
Well, I’ll have you know the first time I witnessed someone discuss the concept of the ‘Weak Era’ on TV was when it was said from no less a person than Mr Becker himself about 4 years ago, when he discussing Fed and Nadal with Rudseski at the USO.
Greg was ADAMANT that Roger was the GOAT, as he had 16 (at the time) slams, but Becker said ‘yes, but it was from a ‘weak era’ etc
He was rather emphatic about it too, which surprised me, as commentators are usually so shamelessly obsequious towards Federer.
So there you go!
He’s Novak’s coach, not Federer’s. And he is managing his charge well, and part of executing that is by not letting him get too excited or above himself when there is still (hopefully) so much more to do
I’m just telling you what I saw, so don’t kill the messenger!


calmdownplease Says:

Good Grief!
You know these Novak fans are really showing themselves up here nowadays.
A distinct lack of rational intelligence.
I didn’t mean Novak MUST BE DUE an Injury because he hasn’t had anything significant to take him out of the tour so far.
What I mean is that it is unusual for any top player NOT to get injured for so long so the ‘law of averages’ Indicates that it could well happen at some point
Didn’t say it MUST happen because it hasn’t happened yet, just said that it often tends to particularly when one is playing a sport day in day out!
M’kay?


Giles Says:

I know it’s a bit late in the thread but why on earth did Boom Boom Boris choose to compare fed’s 2006 with joker’s 2015?
Was he somehow trying to pacify the fedfans to some extent?


jane Says:

okie i have to disagree. i dont recall novak fans on here being anti-becker. i did read some of that elsewhere, but you could count the number of novak fans on here on one hand back in end 2013, and i don’t remember any of them being negative about becker.

it’s possible but, like wog boy, what i remember is fans from **other camps** weighing in much more negatively.

personally, i was just waiting and seeing but i had quite a bit of faith in the decision.

i do remember being irked by people who thought novak fired marian for becker, because anyone who follows novak knows he’d never do that.

it was a choice novak and marian took together because marian didnt want to travel as much. and as we saw from the video at WTF, marian is still very much a part of the team. in fact, becker said he talks to him all the time.


Giles Says:

Considering Vajda has a sick wife, or so we are told, he spends a lot of time with joker whereas he should be spending most of that time with his sick wife. I guess it depends where his priorities lie. Is it wife or joker??


Okiegal Says:

Jane and Wog Boy, I don’t read other forums except Nadal News and its all about Rafa. What I read was on TX, but whatever it’s nothing to start world war III over. It’s so nice the way you 5 fans stick together. I wish I could say the same for Rafa fans…we’ve been known to disagree from time to time…….


Giles Says:

David Ferrer and Marc Lopez got we’d today. Congratulations to both. 😜


Okiegal Says:

@Giles 11:36……I didn’t know he had a sick wife, and u r right he needs to be home with her, if that’s the case.


Okiegal Says:

Giles @11:18…..I said the same thing at 12:19.


Okiegal Says:

Wog Boy, Skeezer’s post at 12:32 He remembered it
too, and he doesn’t forget anything. You didn’t call him out….why?

Do you remember chastising me a day or so ago about terrorism on airplanes by the use of bombs? What about the you tube video of Novak and Tipsy targeting Rafa with the gun? What about the people who have lost one’s in that manner?? Did Novak and Tipsy get a pass for that? That was in poor taste, whether it was all in fun or not. What did you think about that little shenanigan?


jane Says:

What an absolutely bizarre comment to imply that Marian would *lie* about his wife being sick. And no he is not with Novak much at all. Only about 5 tournaments the entire season. That is why he and Becker confer on the phone.


Giles Says:

5 tournaments a year? Beijing, Shanghai, Paris, WTF. That’s 4 already or am I mistaken?


Wog Boy Says:

Okie,

My question was for both of you, if you check my post again I said “you” and not Okie, I didn’t mention your name nor called you personaly. Skeezer opted not to comment and answer my question, I guess he would if he could find data to back the statment that Nole fans on TX were after his head, he is not going to let you easy of the hook.

As for Tipsy and Nole video, it was in bad taste but that was ages ago, I don’t see any connection with my remark that your comment about the plane was in bad taste too.


Giles Says:

Okie. Thanx for reminding me of that classless video with joker and Tipsy flashing a gun no less. They are very lucky the ATP didn’t take any action although I feel they should have.
No class, no class.
😡😡😡😡😡😡😡


bojana anel Says:

Oh my god now is Marjan and his wife target heare.Rafa,s fans: could You people leave anything about Novak without comment?


Wog Boy Says:

Pauly,

I think that fans are much more obsessed with Nole winning FO than Nole himself, particularly some fans of other two since, as of lately, they can’t fault Nole for anything else. Sampras is not les champion for not winning FO nor Borg is any less champion for not winning USO and AO.


Giles Says:

Right, so it doesn’t matter if joker never wins the French Open.
He is still a champion !!


Wog Boy Says:

^^ besides Pauly, Lendel has never won Wimbledon but his protege Andy did, so your argument doesn’t stand, but anyway, Nole eill jave few more cracks on FO before he retires, so let’s wait and then comment.


jane Says:

It is possible Vadja went to a few more tournaments this season, though I am not sure he was in Paris. However, when the arrangements were made for Becker Marian was to be present only as follows:

“Marian Vajda will continue working in Novak’s team, and the Slovak will accompany Serbian player in Indian Wells, Madrid, Toronto and Beijing.”

Perhaps his wife is feeling better so he is travelling more. We do not know the personal circumstances of his life. In any case, it is clear that the arrangement is that he only travels to 4-5 tournaments. Becker goes to the rest.


Wog Boy Says:

jane,
Out of respect for both of his coaches and due to being final tournamen Nole briught in Vajda too, and Vajda was at FO this year with Boris, they believed they might push Nole over the line eaisier together but Stan had different idea.


Wog Boy Says:

^^ I am talking about WTF being final tournament.


jane Says:

right, thanks wog boy. it makes sense vajda would be at the WTF as extra incentive to cap off novak’s incredible year with a win, and then a team-wide, extremely well-deserved celebration


Chrisford1 Says:

Vadja – When Becker was hired the word put out was Marian’s wife was ill, he was spending many months at a time away from home and his kids as well as wife due to Nole’s Tour demands. She wasn’t well enough to travel the globe with him. The arrangement has worked out better than Nole, Becker, and Vadja hoped. Vadja felt good because Nole has just about nailed down every defensive and court positioning skill he has been coached on. And Becker arrived at a perfect time to go at the biggest areas where Djokovic could show the most improvement with offensive skills that Boris learned in his career – Net play, serve placement, more controlled aggression in matches, certain tactics, mental focus, and helping Nole revert to the powerful deep forehand he was using so well in 2011 but had backed off on to cut UFE..convincing Nole airing out the forehand again would make a lot bigger increase in winners than UFES.
Djokovic landed the best synergy he could have hoped for in a realigned coaching staff. And Marian is just a cell phone call away from Nole, Boris, or Sasha when not physically at the 4-5 Tour events he will show up for – since Nole worked it out that Marian would always be a critically important and well paid Team Nole coach, even working out of his house now more often than not.
All three guys are looking great in this Triumvirate.

On GOATHOOD and career Slamhood – I am not sure that Nole and Rafa’s ego NEEDS GOATHOOD the way Federer’s pride makes him crave it. Both are locks in the club of the 8-10 all time greats of the Open Era. Both Nole and Rafa will happily take GOAT if some guru of deep career long analysis, objective competitive level impact on stats data is formalized, and skills areas point ratings and ELO finds incontrovertible evidence they are such – but I think both are humble enough that they would be happy to be considered players as good as Borg, Connors, Sampras if they don’t rise to GOATHOOD over Fed.
As for a career Slam, it’s nice, but so is having a pos H2H over a rival on most, or all surfaces..Agassi has one, Pete does not – no one disputes Pete had a better career, though.

Tipsy and Nole’s video – sometimes you have to accept that you do humor, you will be liked for most of it, but some things may flop or “offend!” someone. For real, or someone playing the victim to take power from being faux shocked! and offended!! and demanding apologies..
I personally think it is a shame that the endorsement market treasures blandness over energy and personality. IMG has finally convinced Nole that the extra 15-25 million in endorsements are worth him suppressing his unique imitations, humor and antics. And I think tennis is the poorer for it -


Pauly Says:

Boris Becker is not the reason Djokovic is the best today … It’s Roger & Rafa !!!
Case closed … Why don’t you people understand ?
Nole said it himself … Roger & Rafa made me a better player by beating me so many times early on in my career so it made me more determined to improve my game so I could beat them in future !
Boris Becker is just taking all the credit but deserves none


jane Says:

“the best synergy” this is well put. indeed, vajda and becker make a great team, getting novak to where he is now. of course it it has nole’s *coaches* who have helped him come up with strategies for his top rivals, and that’s precisely what he means. for example, it was vajda who helped novak come up with a strategy to deal with rafa in the 2010 off season, which is what led to novak’s success in 2011. and then boris has been instrumental in helping novak deal with fed’s aggression not by being passive but by being more aggressive himself: largely with second serve placement, attacking opponent’s second serves (the two combined giving novak a so-labelled “third serve), by coming forward, and by using an aggressive cross-court forehand. it’s his coaches who’ve given him the tactics, and novak of course who’s executed them brilliantly.


jane Says:

here vajda talks about their strategy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czE_SxvgJvc


jane Says:

novak has explicitly credited becker for his two wimbledon wins since he’s become coach: ” He loves the grass. You can see the sparkle in his eyes when he is on the grass courts. It is like no other tournament or no other surface. He contributes to my game on any surface at any tournament, but especially on the grass. He tends to make me come to the net, and we talk about using variety, slice, serve and volley and my movement.”


AbetPh Says:

Boris Becker should stop dragging @rogerfederer and his fans. Roger’s coach in the past and even the present are quiet and respectable about his opponents. Just be like them, and maybe God will be kind, you can get at least 1% “Respect”.


Okiegal Says:

Pauley, I agree! Novak did say this. I thought about saying this very thing, but didn’t because my memory has been questioned…..not good for me to hear …. it causes me to question myself, especially with my age. You can imagine how old I must be if my favorite was Borg back in the day.


Wog Boy Says:

CDP @9:21am is pretty much spot on.


Wog Boy Says:

Of course Nole said tha Roger and Rafa made him better, not once, but few times he said that. They made him better player by realizing in order to catch up with them he has to work harder and elevates his game on another level since their game was on higher level than his. The first thing is to be honest with yourself and admit they are better than you, second thing is to be ready to work your ass of and to achive that you need the coach to guide you and make plan and tactics. You just don’t became better player than others just like that, no? If that’s the case nobady would need the coach, I knew only one player that was able to play without the coach and with nobody in his box and he would still win, his name is Roger, but even him two years ago realize that he needs new ideas and new coach and what success was Edberg!


jane Says:

“you need the coach to guide you and make plan and tactics”

exactly wog boy. that’s why all the players have coaches. why else would coaches scout the matches of the other players but to come up with tactics and note patterns. a player doesn’t do that by him or herself!


Pauly Says:

Nole is great player
I have to admit he is better than my favourite Nadal & second favourite Federer … Good on you Nole !
You’re a champion !


skeezer Says:

“you need the coach to guide you and make plan and tactics”
Wasn’t Fed sucessful without a Coach for a period of time?


Pauly Says:

Does anyone remembers Nadal’s brutal flat forehand ?
Nadal vs Hewitt 2004 AUSTRALIAN OPEN … He changed to topspin forehand to limit unforced errors but it was awesome forehand … Nole would struggle if Nadal played like that again


Wog Boy Says:

“Wasn’t Fed sucessful without a Coach for a period of time?”

Are you sure English is your first language? Go back, read my post again and if you don’t find answer to your question I really can’t help you.


Matt Says:

Pauly, what’s your point with the Youtube footage? Nole couldn’t hang with that Nadal?


skeezer Says:

WB,
Apologies, was going off janes post and didn’t read all of yours…btw english isn’t my first language….Irish is.


Chrisford1 Says:

Pauly, the whole Uncle Toni counter-Nole strategy in 2012 was to flatten his shots on the forehand side, with less going crosscourt to Nole’s deadly backhand.
It had partial success, but big bouts of unforced errors. Because the high spin shots had meant Nadal could be sloppy and had big margin for the topspin shots to land in the opponents could regardless. And with his habit of playing back 2-4 meters, even less margin. Other problem for Rafa was he had to rush to get back in the center due to the speed at which a shot was headed back his way. And Djokovic was just more consistent than Rafa after 2010.
Djokovic is Nadal’s nightmare player. 8 of the last 9 encounters went Nole’s way


Wog Boy Says:

I love Irish and Ireland, and Johnny Fox Pub, high above Dublin in the mountains.


Wog Boy Says:

BTW, no need to apologize, no nasty word exchanged, neither in English nor in Irish..not even in Serbian:)


Wog Boy Says:

Nole never had a problem with monstrous FHs, check his h2h against Delpo, Nole is struggling with slicing and dicing and dead balls, not having rhythm, check Andy’s wins against Nole, Roger wins when ever he doesn’t engage in punch for punch game, even Tomic with his awkward IO FH, BH and equally awkward slices gives Nole more trouble than any big hitter.


Wog Boy Says:

@Matt,

I like your article(s).


Pauly Says:

Wogboy

Watch the French open 2015
Stan’s massive forehands won the French open
Nole hates big hitters !
Watch the US open 2013
Nadal’s flatter forehands troubled him bigtime clear winners
To beat Nole you must out hit him !


Okiegal Says:

Yes, Fed was successful without a coach for a period of time…..How long of a period I don’t know. But I’m sure an avid fan if his could tell us.

BOOMER SOONER! I think we’ve won bedlam this year….we retaliated. They beat us at home last year. OSU doesn’t do that 2 times in a row to the Sooners! VAMOS…..that is for Sanchez….I’m sure he speaks Spanish. OU 58 OSU 23….not that anyone on here cares….. :)


Pauly Says:

Matt
My point is why isn’t Nadal playing flatter forwards like he did in his early days ?
Uncle Toni has no hope of working out strategy to beat Nole … That’s why new coach must be hired . It’s simple new coach new ideas … Why not give PAT CASH a chance to help Nadal?
Uncle Toni please step aside … One article I read stated that Nole said Nadal to keep uncle Toni like he keeps Vayda … Was Nole giving Nadal some advice ?
Nadal is stubborn as mule … It’s time for new ideas dummy


Wog Boy Says:

Nole Stan h2h 21:4, Nole Delpo h2h 11:3, Nole Cilic h2h 14:0, Nole Tsonga h2h 14:6, Nole Raonic 5:0… Pauly you can continue with big hitters.
Nole is losing when he is pasive and tentative, when his eyes are blank, when his mind is wondering, but he loves big hitters, he used always to go on Delpo’s forhend on purpose, how many players had a guts to do that and get away with that? Roger lost USO final 2009 because he was stubborn and tried to go one for one with Delpo instead of mixing it up, where he is the best in the world.


Matt Says:

Pauly,
I hear you. I just wrote an article about Roger’s coaching; brought Nadal on this very point. I agree with you.

I was going to say that Nadal looks good there though he did lose in straights to Hewitt there ;)


Matt Says:

Wog Boy,
Thanks. Feel free to chime-in!
:)


Wog Boy Says:

Pauly, you can add Nole Berdych h2h too, 21:2. Berdych is not bad hitter either, no?


Wog Boy Says:

Matt,
Thanks for inviting me:)


Okiegal Says:

Pauly you seem to know a lot about tennis…….more than most, very refreshing……. :)


Okiegal Says:

I chime in all the time, but no one seems to appreciate it…..It seems that everyone on here has a good memory but me……


Okiegal Says:

Pauly….Thanks for the above link showing Rafa and Hewitt. I wasn’t following Rafa at that time. I watched the first FO he won, and from that moment on I became a fan. He was hitting some monster forehands. I had the last USO open he won recorded. When bored I would watch it. One of my favorite matches. I accidentally deleted it. Now when bored I watch AO 2014 when he beat Fed……when I’m up all night and can’t sleep I watch my favorite match of all time, him and Verdasco at the AO the year Rafa won it. I hope I don’t accidentally delete them because I may never see Rafa beat Novak or Roger again….I also have the last FO he won against Novak recorded. So when Rafa is not doing so well, I go back in time and dream that some day he might get back to his old self…….then I snap back to reality and say to myself…..it probably won’t happen but a girl can dream, can’t she??


Pauly Says:

I’m a big tennis fan
I loved Borg Lendl Agassi … Never warmed to Sampras ???
But when Roger came & dominated it was boring until my hero came NADAL … Watching him beat Federer was like a breath of fresh air !
Then Nole came shortly after … Always retiring for some reason? Gluten intolerance it would later be discovered … From the start Nadal was too good for Nole but everything changes with time … Nole in 2011 was brilliant !
Nadal had chances in Indian wells & Miami but after that losing on clay Nadal was cooked mentally against Nole !
Had Roger not beaten Nole in French open semi … There is no way Nadal was gonna win that year in Paris he wasn’t playing well at the French also that year so Nole missed Maybe his biggest chance of winning 4 slams in one year !

I just love watching good tennis between the 3 great Federer Nadal & Djokovic … Hoping for great 2016 for Nadal ?
I wish he gets some help from another former tennis player ?
Pat Cash Was a champion player so why not let him help …. Who knows ?


Pauly Says:

The saddest part about tennis is Del Porto wrist injury !
Who knows how many more slams he could’ve won had he been fitter ?
He’s a big hitter huge server good mover for 198cm
Very sad !
Hopefully he can play again ASAP
Good luck Del … Tennis fans miss you !


jane Says:

wog boy you’re 100% right of course. novak has a great record against big hitters. it’s big servers who occasionally trouble him, but not big forehands. he’s always handled those. anyone who watched USO 2013 saw that nadal actually backed up behind the baseline and it’s when he started moon balling and defending that he threw off novak’s rhythm in that match. just go back and watch the dynamics in set 3. rafa’s best chance with novak on the forehand is the banana. that helped him win the FO 2014.


Pauly Says:

Stan out hit him in French open 2015
That’s how you beat him
Nadal outhit him in 2013 US open
Forehand was on fire … I watched the match


madmax Says:

Skeezer,

I am not a fan of Chris Chase, at all. I read the link and if you take away his name, the stats remain, don’t they?

It’s close, but Federer by a ‘net chord’ .

skeezer Says:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/roger-federer-novak-djokovic-best-season-in-tennis-history-ever-2006-2015-john-mcenroe-rafael-nadal-grand-slams

More evidence that Becker got it right……by a net cord.

If you read the write up…I mean does it really matter….their accomplishments were unreal in the stretch of a year. And both and have more than one year they did that. (2011 & 2005)

November 25th, 2015 at 1:36 pm

Ben,

There are a lot of poor writers out there but my question is what happened to sensational safin?

Becker was absolutely slated when Novak started to lose tournaments when Becker was appointed. Many Novak fans were calling for him to be fired. Boris changes his mind as frequently as he changes his…well…mind.

Whether it is Becker’s influence on Novak’s success, I think it is Novak’s complete and utter self belief, that is not just attributed to Becker, but to Novak, Stefan, his wife, his previous coach who passed away, Vadja. I think Novak has gone through rites of passage.

Nothing will stop him.


jane Says:

madmax i agree that novak (or any player) is the sum of all those parts- family, previous coaches,self-growth, etc.- but i am a believer in becker’s impact, too, for sure


elina Says:

Two less Masters and no titles on clay? No, Boris was obviously having a laugh at the expense of the Roger faithful.


bojana anel Says:

When it needed You count the smallest tournamet as even with bigger one.When You need You count only the biggest ones.So You count the way that Federer is going to be better at least for the net chord.Good counting for You to get Your way.Thera are other people and they see wich year is better.


Wog Boy Says:

Bojana,
if any player get even close to Roger’s records endangering his status of best ever player,at this stage I don’t see it happening, they will say that Edberg award is more important than h2h..so, there you go..
I agree, Halle 2006 is more important than any masters 2006 and clay is not proper tennis surface anyway, so not winning clay title in 2006 doesn’t really count ..


Chrisford1 Says:

I sort of like Becker doing this. It is a way to mollify FED and his vanity, Fed fans and Fed is God writers…while at the same time meaningless. Becker can change his opinion later and probably will.

The best at this was Uncle Toni. When Rafa started whipping Roger on surfaces other than clay, Toni was the 1st calling Fed the real GOAT, that Fed’s backhand was the most exquisite shot he had ever seen, and such was Fed’s genius that he didn’t need a coach, had no reason to change.

It almost worked. By 2010, Rafa was clearly the best, had all but fitted Roger with a “Property of R Nadal” dog collar, and was on his way to being the GOAT instead of Federer.
But then Djokovic showed up in Rafa’s full prime and ruined the Uncle Toni buttering up Fed gambit. Blocking Rafa at Rafa’s peak from several Slams.


Tennis king Says:

Here is a great analysis by Dean Sapsojevic posted on Bleacher report:
“Fed’s competition in 2006 in the 4 Masters titles he won and the Masters Cup was Gonzalez twice, Ljubicic, Gasquet, and James who combined have a 4-40 record against Federer and a combined total of 1 masters title and 0 grand slams. He faced Marcos Baghdatis to win the AO and failed to make the final of Cincinnati by losing to a 19 year old Murray in the R32. He had only 19 Top 10 wins out of a total of 23 matches meaning the top guys weren’t consistent enough to make it to the later stages, in comparison Djokovic had 31 top 10 wins (smashing his previous record of 24) out of 36 matches”
This sums it all up. I don’t think that there should be any debate what year was better based on the competition.


danica Says:

Nole’s 2015 hands down (better than Roger’s 2006). I don’t even see why there’s any discussion about this?? Does anyone believe Nole would have lost any ATP 250 tournament had he entered?

Even the Doha 1/4 finals is with an asterisk. Although a loss is a loss and a win is a win, let me just refresh your memory because that loss need to be put into a context – Novak played with flu. He got into the finals (again!) at the Mubadala Tennis Championship in Abu Dhabi and didn’t even go on court to play feeling sick and weak. He did honor the obligation to compete in Doha but got tightly beaten due to health reasons. Then came Australia where he did not cahnce to practice for several days trying to get healthy and overcome weakness before the tournament starts. Everything that came after was simply making of the history.

Finals of ALL the masters series events entered, winning 6 out of 8, setting a new record of won masters in a year, winning 3 out of 4 slams’ finals contested, winning the WTF, winning on all the surfaces, outdoors and indoors, against the top opposition, a record number of wins against top 10, no negative H2H score with the best rival… I am a Nole fan, but it wouldn’t matter whose numbers these are. I was just as amazed by Rafa’s 2013 and was not shy to say it. Nole’s numbers in 2015 are just ridiculous. On a plus side, the ATP points adjusted for Roger in 2006 are still 2006


danica Says:

As I was saying… (half of my post got deleted for some reason) – On a plus side, the ATP points adjusted for Roger in 2006 are still less than Nole’s 2015.

Roger handed 19 bagels in 2006 to Nole’s 12. However, Roger handed 20 bread sticks to Nole’s 33! Take it into consideration that Novak played 35 matches with the top 10 opposition which is 41% of all matches played while Roger only had to play 24% of matches with the top 10 guys. Nole played 52% with the top 20 while Rog had to play 35%. Looking at the top 5 duels, Nole’s statistic is 16-4 while Roger’s was 8-4 I believe. If all this is not telling, I don’t know what is? Maybe this:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tiBxH5i8d26G_gqEg9bqFyQ/edit?pli=1#gid=7&vpid=A4


RZ Says:

Here’s a humorous/silly look at year comparison’s (though it doesn’t involve Fed). http://www.changeovertennis.com/did-novak-djokovics-2015-season-best-bernard-tomics-2015


Wog Boy Says:

Another record, “Bagelovic”is in the house, Nole won record fourth “Golden bagel” reward since they introduced it in 2004:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/2-general-messages/736082-novak-djokovic-won-golden-bagel-reward-4th-time.html#/forumsite/20792/topics/736082?page=1


Purcell Says:

Becker will change his mind. All the pundits, ex-players and commentators have changed their minds in one way or another over the course of many years. He’ll change his mind over who’s the greatest, who’s had the best year and which is the best era; all difficult to quantify and of no personal interest to those who actually appreciate the special nature of tennis, the styles, shots, contrasts, endeavours etc. and those who have concern for the sport’s future development. In the last decade and a half we’ve had three or four players having their time to shine, their moment in the sun if you like. Novak, deservedly is having his moment right now, so naturally he’s the new golden boy, according to the mind changers and pundits and he’s just following in the footsteps of Sampras (the greatest), Federer ( no, he’s the greatest), Nadal (no, no he’s the greatest). Boris’s utterances, like those of Uncle Toni, need to be regarded with fond amusement although the pair of them might consider taking a leaf out of the books of some of the other venerable coaches who take a more responsible approach to the task.


Purcell Says:

CF1; para 1: Have you ever thought of doing a creative writing course? You have such a ridiculously vivid imagination.
At least there was a glimmer of hope when you mentioned’ ‘mind-changing’, a subject that regularly keeps me amused and interested : see above.


Okiegal Says:

@Madmax 7:33…..You stated that some Novak fans wanted Novak to fire Becker. I’m made that same statement, but used a little exaggeration of having his head on a platter, same difference. I got lots of feedback because I couldn’t name names. I guess your comments are tolerated more than mine. You’ve got a good memory, maybe you can remember.

Who is calm down’ s fav??


jalep Says:

Nole’s 2011 and Fed’s 2006 will remain a couple of my favorite years to watch tennis so far. 2009 is right up there too.

Best ever is a matter of opinion. Stats cannot be relied upon because they don’t hold up for a variety of reasons over nearly a decade – in my opinion.

The similarities of tennis in 2006 and 2015 for me come down to watching a favorite win and feeling reasonably smug beforehand about being able to just sit back to enjoy the performance. In both years French Open turned out to be the wrong winner but by the end of the season — can’t complain. Losses were few.

About Becker: spot on post by Purcell @ 4:28 pm.
Okiegal – hello. Thoughts and prayers with you this season. calmdownplease is an Andy Murray fan!


Okiegal Says:

@jalep

Thanks for the good Christmas wishes and BACK AT CHA! Oh, appreciate you answering my CDP question!


Okiegal Says:

@Danica, I too thought Rafa’s 2013 year was amazing…but I was too shy to say it….Well let me rephrase it, to darn scared to bring it up. I seem to get negative feedback when I say anything. I went back through Rafa’s 2013 year, checked on a few things I’d forgotten about and it was an amazing year. Novak’s 2015 has been great too. Stan gave us some great tennis also. Winning the AO and FO, having to beat Novak two times…..quite a feat!! Good stuff this year….and for some fans, not so good. But as fans, just like our favs, we have to take the bitter with the sweet…..Sometimes that’s a tough pill to swallow……I can’t believe I take my tennis so seriously, and I’m not alone!! Looking forward to 2016!


daniel reidy Says:

Novaks 2015 is better than federers. Federer only won 4 masters, and 5 of his other titles were 250 or 500 events. Novak does not play them small tournaments, he leaves them for the lesser players.Only 1 of Novaks titles was a 500 event.


Supremechairumpire Says:

Federer’s 4 M1000 wins and his WTF win (against Blake, Gonzalez, Gasquet, and Ljubičić) came against very weak players, as did his USO victory: in all the combined ~50 years of ATP tennis those four players played, they only won 1 significant tournament–Ivan Ljubičić won Indian Wells in 2010. Even Baghdatis has never won even one single major tournament in his entire career. In other words, Federer won several of his major titles over players who never won any titles ever, period, regardless of who they were playing. For me, that alone diminishes Federer’s 2006 season to a level below Djokovic’s 2015 season.

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