Andy Murray Sets Record With 5th Queen’s Title; Florian Mayer Denies Alexander Zverev In Halle
by Staff | June 20th, 2016, 12:56 am
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Andy Murray became the first man to win five Queen’s Club titles on Sunday, coming from a set down to defeat Milos Raonic 6-7(5), 6-4, 6-3 at the Aegon Championships in London.


“It’s a tournament that obviously means a lot to me,” said Murray, who also won the title in 2015, ’13, ’11 and ’09. “It’s been my most successful tournament.”

It was Murray’s second title of the year after Rome.

Murray trailed a set and 0-3 in the second set.

“I had no chances on his serve at all,” the Brit said. “I hadn’t created any break points. Then along came a few good returns and changed the match completely. When you have not been broken for a whole tournament and then you lose serve…it can throw you off a little bit. I capitalized on pretty much all the chances I had from there on in.”

Raonic fell to 8-10 in career finals.

“Normally I’m pretty confident in a situation up a set and a break,” Raonic said. “There were two very close challenges there, maybe could make a difference or not, but I thought he played well. He stepped it up after that and came up with an incredible return on the first break point chance he had.”

No. 192-ranked Florian Mayer of Germany beat countryman and fast-rising Alexander Zverev 6-2, 5-7, 6-3 on Sunday for the Gerry Weber Open title in Halle, Germany.

“I would say it’s the biggest win in my career to win a 500 event here in Germany on grass,” said the 32-year-old Mayer, who captured his second career title and kept alive the streak of 30-plus age winners. “If you see the list of champions in the past here and now my name is on the list, I cannot believe it. I had a hard time with so many injuries and not playing tournaments…It helps a lot to be back in the Top 100 also.”

Mayer struggled physically in the third but ran out to a 5-2 lead, then secured the championship on his fifth match point.

Zverev beat eight-time Halle champion Roger Federer in the semifinals.

“I served worse than the days before, I hit double faults in important moments,” said Zverev, who fell to 0-2 in career finals. “In the third set, the way he broke me, I missed four shots. That can’t happen. I had a lot of 30-all chances which I played really bad in. He played very well. In the important moments he played very well. He deserves to win today, he was the better player. It’s as simple as that.”


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171 Comments for Andy Murray Sets Record With 5th Queen’s Title; Florian Mayer Denies Alexander Zverev In Halle

Michael Says:

Hearty Congratulations to Andy and Florian Mayer for their Queens and Halle Titles.


Margot Says:

C’mon! And claim that Wimbledon trophy right back! You know you can!


mat4 Says:

While every record merits to be mentioned, it’s interesting that a feat where a player won 5 titles, facing 3 top ten players to achieve them, merits a thread, while another player making the Grand Slam, how it is defined by the ITF, winning a record 28 matches in a row to achieve it, across three surfaces, doesn’t deserve it.

OK, I guess that Murray winning 3 ATP250 and two ATP500 is something special for a player like Murray, while winning “four in a row” how we call it when it’s Djokovic’s case (Lendl, e.g., called it the “Grand Slam” when Rafa was on the verge to achieve it), is nothing much for Djokovic, but still…

I also notice that some Nole fans are still moderated, or even banned, from the blog, while bullies, but fans of other players, are free to post. Makes me wonder.


Okiegal Says:

@mat4…..How do you know certain fans are being moderated? Just curious……


mat4 Says:

Curiosity killed the cat, dear Okie.


J-Kath Says:

Mat 4

Was there really not a thread on Nole after the French? Anyway we don’t need this one on Andy unless that absurd picture is supposed to give us a laugh again.


Okiegal Says:

@mat4…..lol…..Yes, I will agree about the kitty cat…..ummmm…you are really Sean incognito…..


Ronn Says:

That’s ok, Mat, I’m not banned. Murray is 2nd tier to the “Big 3″ and it’s so funny to see him so happy and celebrating winning this measely 500 event 5 times. The “big 3 ” would yawn if they won it 5 times but it’s BIG news for Murray, lol. Ho hum…yawn…snore…


Okiegal Says:

@JK…..You have got to appreciate Andy’s humor…he has to have a great personality off court….he does the funniest things, that is what I like most about him….his cute funny pix…..this is one of my faves…love his wild hair!!He was so handsome in his wedding pix…..cleaned up nicely!! Grin and bear it JK!! Lol At least he’s not a stick in the mud like Ivan…..


mat4 Says:

J-Kath,

it has nothing to do with Andy. I welcome such threads. But when a player manages to do a feat which has, in fact, never been done before — Laver played club players in the first rounds of slams, and won only 25 matches to makes his pro GS — it deserves a MENTION, at least.

Winning 28 matches in a row, and four GS, in an era of accomplished professionals, deserves to be called how it is officially called: a Grand Slam. On another thread I quoted how it all changed from 2011: when Rafa was on the edge to win his “Rafaslam”, it was huge, and Lendl called it a “Grand Slams”. I gave the links.

Now, when Novak accomplished that feat which puts him in front of Fed and Rafa, it’s — hush, don’t tell anybody, nothing to see here.

Steve Tignor is the apex of that phenomenon: in one of his last posts, he mentions “Fed’s 17 slams, Rafa’s 9 Roland Garros, Novak’s 2011″… Was he kidding? Novak’s 2015 was the greatest year anybody had in the Open Era! What about “four in a row”?

And now, the big question is “can Novak make the calendar Grand slam”? It’s a Freudian slip, btw. The nonsense is that he would to win 6 slams in a row, which is way more difficult than to win any grand slam, calendar, non calendar, career slam, whatever.

How would you feel, as an Andy fan, if he was mentioned all the time for winning 5 Queens, but not for winning the USO and Wimbledon?


Willow Says:

Mat4 as weve always got along, and i hope we still will, There was a number of threads on Novak winning the French and four in a row, also Novaks out of body experience, Novak and Guga, Novaks birthday, Novaks match points, Novak wins French and four in a row, so many of the thread topics were dominated by Novak, not starting an argument and not saying they shouldnt be either, because the guys the best in the world, and probably the best ever, but come on the guys had his fair share !….

About Murray winning Queens and five in a row, OK its nowhere near to the extent of what Novak achieved, but sometimes its not always about the big things, and Murray is a Brit and arguably the best player we have since Fred Perry, and its unlikely this thread will stay around for long as theres only a few comments anyway, anyway for what its worth im sure Novak will W and it will be all Novak talk again ….

I Chose not to post for a while, as i thought im not a Novak fan, even though ive spoke up for him numerous times, and said how much i respect his achievements, as i thought because im not a fan i would be in the way and not wanted, rather an irritation amongst the euphoria ….

Sorry for the long post and lecture, but id rather be honest, peace and have a good day MAT4 ….

Anyway sorry for


Willow Says:

Regarding moderation, i only think it should be done, with stuff such as personal attacks on posters, distasteful and disgusting video links on players like the other day, sexual slurs on other posters or players ….


mat4 Says:

@Willow:

It’s not the question about how many threads — we had about cats and dogs, anniversaries, news more or less related to tennis. But to miss the biggest news so far in 2016… doesn’t it make you think?

About moderation: yes, it should probably be done, but it’s difficult to know the limits, and I don’t think I would be able to. But not selectively. And when people show that they have changed, they deserve a chance.


mat4 Says:

There was no threads about Novak winning four in a row. Perhaps this

Andy Murray: What Novak Achieved Is Something Extremely Special

Novak Djokovic Beats Andy Murray To Win First French Open, Completes Career Grand Slam

Two sentences about the @Noleslam” all in all,


Willow Says:

Mat4 but we didnt though, we had a thread that said Novak wins the French and four in a row with 157 comments on it, the rest i agree with, in that i must say although i enjoy seeing the fun side of the players, sometimes the off court stuff that gets talked about here gets a bit irritating, its like posters live their lives around these people, much prefer to talk what they do on court ….


Willow Says:

Sorry make that 174 comments ….


Willow Says:

Fans of other players dont seem to care that much , its like yeah whatever, and the congrats for Murray are small and rather muted anyway ! ….


mat4 Says:

It’s not about the comments, but the news, Willow. At Tennis.com, there were, too, many comments about the Noleslam, but Tignor mentioned it in less than one paragraph. Meanwhile, in the French media, such a feat was hailed. Laurent Vergne wrote a long article about it. There were articles in L’Équipe, AFP made a news too.


adolfinjo Says:

novak djokovic best tennnis player ever no doubt….all respect to rod lawer but its joke to compare tennis back then and now….of course he wont get atention he deserves cos he is ortodox slavic…and in today tense times when they atacking russia and slavic people from all sides….what else to expect from western propaganda


mat4 Says:

Come on…

Fans of other players are fans of other players.

I don’t expect you to root for Novak — by rule, you root against him and it’s OK. He beat Rafa 26 times.

So, don’t expect me to root for Murray — he’s a dangerous opponent for Novak. (I am not jalep that is a fan of Novak but roots for anybody but him.) But I didn’t root for Raonic against him, although I thought he would win having watched him against Kyrgios; nor did I root for Zverev against Federer, nor for Thiem against Nadal.

Just like most of us, I root for my fav, and hope he will have a piece of cake of a draw.


mat4 Says:

Of course, now there is a troll making me say what I didn’t say.


Willow Says:

Oh dear Mat4 sorry i said anything, sadly im out of my depth here :(( ….


Anki Says:

Oh dear, Novak himself doesn’t care about the media bias. His fans should also let go of it. Enjoy his dominance while it lasts. Hoping for a good draw at Wimbledon for Novak. Hope he avoids the big servers in the first week.


J-Kath Says:

Not sure what to say Mat4. It just so happens that the biggest news this last week is about 2×500 tournaments.

It actually doesn’t bother me if Andy’s mentioned or not. But I do recall some comments mostly by the guys on one thread re. Nole following the French – prior to Wogboy going off on a trip. Maybe this is the thread Willow refers to. Some of the comments were pretty thrusting.

Okie – did have a laugh when that picture of Andy first came out. Then came the bath. Expected something new rather like. Best one around for me (maybe because it’s new) is a picture on tennis.com of Andy and Milos which is hilarious. Don’t know how to cut and paste a picture…I’ll give it a try, if you don’t see it, then I’ve failed.


chrisford1 Says:

No Anki, I think Djokovic cares a great deal about getting positive feedback from media and fans. After winning the French Open, he said one of the most important things last year, that set him on the road to winning this year – was the warm support of fans in the loss. And how their support helped him this year. At the same time, he knows there is a media bias against him and for Fed and to a lesser extent Rafa (Rafa is not worshipped in media like Fed, but liked as a sorta nice special ed like kid).
And Novak is resigned to that. Just as Andy is resigned to constant media sniping that he is “unworthy” to be mentioned alongside the Great Fed, the wonderful Humble, and the “talented, but unlikable” Djokovic.

But their fans are not.

Andy’s fans can justly claim their guy is one of the 10-12 best players in the Open Era, but a victim to the misfortune of career timing whose ranking and “Slamcount” belie how good he is.
And Djokovic fans are properly upset about the Grand Slam diss. Especially since it shows the bias of writers like Steve Tignor so well. It was so obvious. The non-calendar year Grand Slam was swept under the rug – unlike the big deal the media made of the non-calendar year Tiger Slam, the 2 Serena Slams.
The hype on Rafa heading into Australia to “win the non-calendar Grand Slam” in 2011. With a few exceptions, the writer’s takeaway was “with Roger absent and Rafa injured, “Novak managed to finally complete a Career Grand Slam after so many years of failure”.


chrisford1 Says:

Ronn – nothing measly about 500 events. Lots of money and points.
Each of the Big 4 has their favorite they have won multiple times. Basel, Barcelona, Beijing, Queens. Each is hugely proud of how they fare at their fave 500 ad rarely miss playing them. All want Dubai and the big payout there.

For the next tier of players, the 500 events and to some extent the 250s is how they keep their income high and points gained for their rating enough to keep them in top 10, Top 20. Life outside the Big 4 is you lose in a Big event, you are on the next plane to get to the next 250 or 500 event. It’s their bread and butter.


J-Kath Says:

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Don’t know if I’ve got it.


J-Kath Says:

Ronn: Perhaps Roger yawned too much at Halle.


Okiegal Says:

@J-Kath…..When a person poses for a “goofy” pic tells me
that he or she is very comfortable in their own skin! I run from cameras…..not my best friend……hate to have my pic made. Quit going to my high school reunions….everyone has that little pesky IPhone that can take a pic and a full blown video before you can bat an eye and then it’s plastered all over Facebook…..then a family member calls you and says, “Is that really you”?…..lol Yep, Andy is a cool dude! The pic of Rafa that stands out to me as goofy…..the one with the big fluffed out hair. I have to think and say…”Rafa did you actually leave your home that day with your hair looking like that?…….lol guess he’s comfortable too…..


MMT Says:

The thing I like about Mayer’s game is that it is different – it’s not the same ball-bashing monotony that just takes the joy out of tennis. I don’t know if it means anything to his chances at Wimbledon, but there will be a few more people watching his brand of tennis, and that’s good for the game.


jane Says:

“Each of the Big 4 has their favorite they have won multiple times” – that’s true cf1. never really thought about it or noticed it before.


mat4 Says:

@J-Kath:

Once again, it’s ok to write about ANY tournament. And both tournaments, London and Halle, gave us excellent matches — I watched a few thrilling encounters — I unfortunately missed the end of the London final, because I thought it was already finished, but I tried to find some HL after that: Sunday is my day for watching tennis.

So, no, this is not what bothers me. The media bias are, and, from first hand, we know it has nothing to do with fans, but with a certain media policy. Among the journalists, even big Nolefans didn’t publish anything about the Noleslam. For one of them, I know (I listened to his podcast) that he thought it was many-fold more important than the career grand slam.


Baa Says:

Tennis writers are like tiger woods writers.
Whining for their dear fed and the forgotten old men from 12 years ago.
Time goes by so fast so they love to take out their anger
on Novak. Yet, Novak is still strong at age 29.

Those old players are still bragging about their self-pity and hatred
toward the war survivor from a country that they don’t care for.
The silver spoon brats can’t help but loathe Novak.
One of them even quit talking on BBC because
he saw novak beat down
the old man, his “ex-rival” at the grass playground of the weak era “rivals”.
Even John mc had to start coaching because he fumed over
Fedal’s losses.


mat4 Says:

@Anki:

“chrisford1 Says:

[...] I think Djokovic cares a great deal about getting positive feedback from media and fans.”

It is very important. That’s what counts for endorsements, where Novak gets the most of his money.

He gave 70% of his Roland Garros prize for French taxes, e.g., and it’s similar with prize money at other tournaments, so the endorsements are the lion share of money he makes. And the more fans he has, the more popular he is, the more money he earns.


Anki Says:

@Chris, Novak cares about the fans and the french crowd were so supportive and appreciated Novak. I don’t know about his attitude towards media. Obviously, the western media bias is there against Novak. They just adore Roger, Rafa has been irrelevant for quite sometime now. They barely gave Nole any credit, just focused on the Career GS part. Anyway, can only hope that Novak does the talking on court with his racquet ;) His name is already there in the history books.


J-Kath Says:

THE BOODLES:

Order of Play – Tuesday 21 June 2016

12:30pm – N. Almagro v J. Tipsarevic

2:30pm – J M Del Potro v B.Coric

f/b – J. Isner v F. Fognini

not before 5pm – V. Troicki v J. Chardy

Full list of players confirmed for The Boodles 2016:

Novak Djokovic (SRB)

David Goffin (BEL)

John Isner (USA)

Gilles Simon (FRA)

Nick Kyrgios (AUS)

Viktor Troicki (SRB)

Lucas Pouille (FRA)

Jeremy Chardy (FRA)

Fabio Fognini (ITA)

Alexander Zverev (GER)

Nicolas Almagro (ESP)

Borna Coric (CRO)

Aljaz Bedene (GBR)

Robin Haase (NED)


jane Says:

good list! thanks j-kath.

“His name is already there in the history books” – true anki. that cannot be denied.


jane Says:

this is only mayer’s second title in his career but he was in the top 20 for periods in 2011 and 2012. he and novak played a very enjoyable match at wimbledon in 2013 that i still remember.


J-Kath Says:

U R Welcome, Jane. Was surprised at the quality.


Dave Says:

Mat4 or Daniel,

How come the ATP site hasn’t updated Thiem’s 180 points added from Halle? It still says he is behind Nadal in the race to London, when he should be 10 points ahead. He even went down to number 8 in the rankings. Maybe the ATP staff doesn’t like him?


jane Says:

dave, mat4 or daniel can correct me, but i think the reason is that thiem is already over the countable limit for certain types of events, like 250s or 500s. i read somewhere that he has already accumulated over 700 non-countable ranking points. he really does need to revisit his schedule next season to ensure he doesn’t burn out.


theDA Says:

LOL, the constant push to diminish Andy’s wins never fails to amuse. Of course Djokovic’s Beijing ATP 500 wins are always “exceptional” :.D And the constant whining about press coverage, or more to the point, perceived lack of coverage is getting so tedious. How about celebrating your guy’s outstanding achievements without resorting to devaluing Federer’s or Murray’s?


Dave Says:

I had no idea that there were limits on the amount of points that you could earn from 250 and 500 events. So I guess majors and 1000′s are unlimited, since all of Djokovic’s points counted from last year. That’s strange. I guess there really is no extra incentive to playing more 250 and 500 events, accept for the money and not ranking points.


Dave Says:

Okay. So I just read the rules. They take the best 6 results from 250,500 and Challenger events. So you can win 6 titles in those tournaments, but the other results if there are extra, like runner ups or semifinals or any other result won’t count towards your ranking points. Interesting. I didn’t know that until today.


Dave Says:

So according to this, lets say you won 8 masters 1000′s in the same year, there would be no point in playing in the 9th one if you were looking for ranking points. According to that breakdown, they only take the best 8 results from masters 1000 events. Not that you would ever be in that position. But it’s interesting to know that. They didn’t count Thiems Monte Carlo result. Not sure why, since he got 90 points there and 10 in other places. Maybe because it isn’t one of the 8 mandatory events?


Dantheman Says:

Thanks Mat4 and Dave, I was not aware the exact rules limited towards ranking points either. I knew there was a limit, but not the rules around it. It does make sense to me, because all the players are supposed to play the Slams and 1000′s (assuming they qualify for entry). I am amazed at how many tournaments that Thiem has played in this year. He has played in 30 right now, and contrast that with Raonic and Federer who only have 17, because of injuries in the last year, or Djokovic and Murray, both with 18. There are a couple of reason for that: 1) It would skewer rankings to players doing well in additional smaller events and 2) the player’s union has long lobbied for a shorter season because of injuries and burnout. They felt that this puts a limit on the maximum number of tournaments players need to play in each year. If other players want more tournaments, then nothing stops them playing more for money, or to improve their existing ‘best 6′ results.


Dave Says:

Your Welcome Dantheman. So the bottom line is that Thiem needs to start playing a lot better at masters 1000′s and majors if he wants to crack the top 4 this year.


chrisford1 Says:

Dantheman – Just keep in mind that # of tournaments entered does not correlate with workload. How deep you go, how consistently determines the number and the difficulty of matches you play.
Even with byes, the likes of Djokovic and Andy and Berdych had a more physically draining and high performance needed number of matches than a Thiem or Zverev.


jalep Says:

Hey Dave,
I also noticed that Thiem dropped to #8 in the 52 week rolling rankings, then saw that he’s actually tied in points with Raonic at 3,175. But Raonic is #7. How do they decide who gets 7 and 8 in a tie?

“So the bottom line is that Thiem needs to start playing a lot better at masters 1000′s and majors if he wants to crack the top 4 this year.”

He said something about doing exactly that just prior to FO. Then he made SF! I think he’s working on it. 👍


Dave Says:

Chrisford1,

I would normally agree. But I don’t in the case of Thiem. He has had to win so many best of 3 sets this year in 3, even at 250′s and 500′s. He often loses the first set in matches and comes back and wins the next 2. He is a fighter like Rafa. He has had a lot of draining and not so straight forward wins this year to along the way to get those 47 wins this year.


Dave Says:

Jalep,

I think that will start to happen more often as well. I think being in the top 8 helps so much in this regard. He often had to play someone like Nadal or Djokovic within the first 2 matches at a masters 1000′s because he wasn’t ranked in the top 8 at that point. He won’t run into that problem anymore and should be able to progress to more QF’s and SF’s.


Daniel Says:

MC is not a mandatory Masters, it’s weighted the same as ATP 500. As Thiem have 3 other best resulta in ATP 500 and 3 titles in ATP 250 his MC points don’t count. If he had more points for MC (semis) it would replace one of his ATP 250 titles.

You can only have tge current Masters of the year 4 ATP 500 and 2 250, or MC replacibg ine ATP 500. If however your ATP 250 are better they replace on 500.

everybody has to play 4 Slams + 8 masters so that leaves extra 6 tourneys, with Max 4 500 or 3 500 and MC. The ones who qualify for WTF gets that additional points.


Daniel Says:

Jane os corretc Dave,

Just click in rankings on ATP site, than click on Thiem’s amount and you see his specific breakdown. I initially thought he would overlap Nadal as well but when I saw the amoint of tounreys he alreayd played and won he basically have a bunch of points non countable.

Also I think up to being top 10 he was not focusong on rabking point per se, re was just playongn and winning matches, money etc…

Now that he is top 10 he will revisit hos scheudle and do it propelrly. He will be top 8 seed in remaing Masters and Slams.

Actually I am not sure for Wimbledon, Raonic will be above him and eve with Nadal not playjng not sure of Berdych or Gasauet can pass him eother he will seeded 8 or 9. Very curious to see the seeding list, think it is out tomorrow or wednesday if I am not wrong.


jane Says:

thanks for confirming daniel.

by the way, do you know why they’d put milos about domenic for 7 and 8 in the rankings if it was a points tie? would they go by the level of tournament for that maybe, in which the points were earned?


jalep Says:

Daniel’s post @2:38 has to somehow explain why Thiem gained only 30 points in the race ranking this week instead of 180. Something was replaced, evidently. I expected Thiem to be closer to Rafa.

What I didn’t realize is that they juggle around with the race rankings — I thought that race rankings went on a straightforward addition of points won.


emilia Says:

Remark to ADOLFINJO:

You are absolutrly right saying about the bias and double standard concerning Novak Djokovic. His only ‘mistake’ is he happens to be a Serb, orthodox and Slavic, as you said. If he were Swiss or so, could you imagine how adored he would be?! I like Fed but I love stamina that Novak shows, grand Slam or not.


mat4 Says:

@emilia:

The guy is a troll. Don’t answer him. Have a look at his links…


emilia Says:

@Mat4

OK, I’ll have a look. Can you give me some links?


Yolita Says:

@jalep

The Race is like the Rankings, except that it doesn’t cover the last 52 weeks, but from one WTF to the next. Highly ranked players are expected to count the 4 slams, 8 masters and the best 6 results after that. Thiem was already counting 6 results, so Halle’s 180 points could not be just added: something had to be taken out. So Halle was added (180 points) and the Munich final (150 points) was sent to the NON-COUNTABLE column, for a net gain of 30 points.
Maybe somebody should tell Domi about the non-countable column. :)


ABerg Says:

Thiem played 59 matches and 156 sets of tennis this year (2.64 sets/match),
Djokovic had 47 matches and 122 sets, 2.6 sets/match.

Looking at BO3 matches only, Djokovic played 47 sets over 21 matches (2.24 sets per match), while Thiem played 115 sets over 48 matches (2.4 sets/match).

It might be good idea for Thiem to improve his efficiency, not just filter the calendar.


Yolita Says:

@jane

When two players have the same number of ranking points, they count all the points earned in mandatory events, ie. grand slams and mandatory masters. The one with more points gets ranked higher.
Milos has 2195 points in mandatory events, Dominic has 1325, that’s why Milos gets the higher ranking.


mat4 Says:

@emilia:

He gave the link himself. I won’t repeat it. It’s in this thread.


mat4 Says:

Hi, Yolita. Nice to see you here.


jane Says:

thanks for that yolita. it’s kind of what i suspected would be the case. there has to be some way to justify the tiebreak.


chrisford1 Says:

Andy gets a little closer in the ratings to Djokovic, but still a vast distance away. Highly likely Novak will stay #1 for the rest of the year. I’d bet a lot of money on that. However, if anyone is going to take it from him, it has to start with winning when he is not winning, and let the the rolling 365 catch up. That is how Federer briefly got #1 again, in 2012. He got it more because he cleaned up in non-slam events after Djokovic got the USO in 2011 and then ran out of gas.
Each week is the start of a new chance to get to #1 for Andy. Just do better than Novak from this week on, even slightly better, and he eliminates “best player never to reach #1″ from his description as a tennis pro.
However, that will be a tall order, though Andy and Lendl know it is technically doable. Novak is the better player by a bit, and still improving. Less likely to get injured than Andy, and more consistent.

And on the subject, Novak just passed Pete Sampras, now having the 4th longest streak as #1. 103 weeks, with Lendl (157), Connors (160) and Fed (237) still ahead of him.
To pass them in total weeks, Djokovic now needs slightly more than a year and a half of weeks at #1, just slightly less than 2 years to eclipse Federer. A big gulf – but now it seems to be possible, at least. Whereas in 2014 I though Novak catching those 4 guys was going to be impossible.


chrisford1 Says:

Should have said the better player by a little bit. The distinction is important.


jalep Says:

Thank you very much, Yolita.
Not that I gave myself a headache wondering about a missing 30 points – just had never noticed those rules apply in the race ranking.

Then larger question was where will Thiem get seeded (not that RACE ranking has anything to do with Wimbledon seeding). Every year I have to look it up again:
“Since 2002 a seeding committee has not been required for the Gentlemen’s Singles following an agreement with the ATP. While the seeds are still the top 32 players according to rankings, the seeding order is determined using the formula: ATP Entry System Position points + 100% points earned for all grass court tournaments in the past 12 months + 75% points earned for the best grass court tournament in the 12 months before that.”

And Petra Kvitova is on my mind too because she’s dropped out of the top 10 and I was trying to remember if 2014 still counts for something.


Travis Bickle Says:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-now-holds-all-four-grand-slam-titles-after-winning-french-open-a7066546.html

Nothing special about the linked article, but the photo… OMG…
That’s how The Boss of tennis looks like!

I am sure Green Lady, Giles and Jalep will enjoy the photo. BTW, where is that tennis lover Lakie who was frequent here and disappeared as soon as the FO final was over?


Travis Bickle Says:

Also, it (finally) appears I am not in constant moderation any more, which allows me to actually interact with posters here.

Thank you Tennis X!


mat4 Says:

@Travis:

Nice to see you moderated, but unmoderated.

Lakie disappeared before…


Okiegal Says:

mat4 wouldn’t tell me how he knows Novak posters are being moderated. Does anyone else know how someone would have knowledge of this?? Yes curiosity killed the cat one time…but this Oklahoma feline is still kicking and would be interested in knowing……..


mat4 Says:

@Okie:

Just reread some threads. You’ll see that some posts are new. So, the poster was moderated. And sometimes, the posters themselves reveal it.


Travis Bickle Says:

Speaking of anti-Novak bias in media, here is a recent example:

Over there at tennis.com, their resident tennis “expert” Steve Tignor decided to put his list of top 20 tennis matches of the last 10 years (2006-2016). Naturally it is his list and, as such, inherently subjective. However, since he did not publish it in his diary or personal blog, and since he is (I assume) paid to write on a public tennis-oriented website/magazine, there should be a minimum required level of journalistic integrity and objectivity…

Well, Tignor (t)ignored Novak and his supposed journalistic integrity, and instead decided to reveal his ugly Fedal fanatic side by NOT including any Djoker-Rafa or Djoker-Fed matches in his Top 10. Just take a moment and think of it – could it be possible that of many matched Djoker had with Fed/Rafa in the last 10 years, including many GS finals of high significance, not a single match merits to be in the Top 10 of last year?!?
For example Djoker-Rafa AO 2012 classic final did not make Tignor’s Top 10! Note that is Top 10 of just last 10 years, not entire tennis history…??!?!

If Djoker was not The Boss of tennis, this would make me angry. But since Djoker is doing something Fedal has never been able to, this kind of shameless bias and achievement ignorance from established media, makes me ever happier!


chrisford1 Says:

1. Andy said he and Lendl are already laying out the champagne on ice for the Wimbledon win. Andy has always been such a nice guy! Springing for champagne for Djokovic and Becker is a thoughtful gesture!

2. Djokovic’s kit will have a gold stripe added by UniQlo. Perhaps in slight homage to Roger’s Elvis-like golden kit from 2009.

3. I won’t trash Roger for this: “17-time Grand Slam champion Roger Federer concurs that although World No. 1 Novak Djokovic is the man to beat, the Serb is absolutely vincible.
To support his argument, the Swiss stated that fact that he pulled off three wins against Djokovic in the eight matches they played against each other in 2015 alone.
“Yes, Djokovic 100 percent deserves to be where he is. But, he’s absolutely beatable. I beat him last year three times,”

Roger needs that self belief, even if the self belief is not matched by his results.

4. Yeah, Travis, that picture was worth resurrecting, from being lost in the pics of articles typically titled “Djokovic gets career Slam in the footsteps of Roger and Rafa, after failing so many times..”.
A good reminder that underneath the nice guy, is the man Boris Becker said he realized is as tough and mentally strong as they come.


mat4 Says:

@Travis:

It’s not his Fedal fanatical side. I believe he’s been paid for. Check the Bouchard/Vallejo conversation on Twitter, where one of them said too much, then “moderated it” a bit.


mat4 Says:

@CF1:

I guess that Murray is a bit too much under the influence of Lendl right now. This has a double edge: he puts pressure on himself too.


chrisford1 Says:

Bickle – The Tignor list was high comedy. It is being deservedly mocked as shameless Serena and Fedal fodder. It goes beyond that to Serenas USO meltdown being called the 2nd greatest match of the decade and the stat lovers Isner-Mahut travesty where each gave up on trying to break each other’s serve as the 3rd greatest match of the decade. The 2012 AO Final rated 12th?? Bwaaaaaa! Completely absent the classic Madrid semi where Novak and Rafa broke each other, their 2013 FO semi, Nadal-Fognini 2015 (which was a ‘slightly’ better match than Serena’s #2 rated collapse there at the USO).
No Delpo -Novak 2013 Wimbledon thriller?

Yesh!!
Fear not, Tignors list is headed for the trash bin and the black hole of failed articles of tennis lore.


Ben Pronin Says:

Federer has 7 Basel titles and 7 Dubai titles. Nadal has 9 Barcelona titles. Djokovic has 6 Beijing titles. Now Murray has “set the record” with 5 Queens titles? Who cares about 500s?


mat4 Says:

Hi, Ben, it’s been a long time. Glad you’re here.


Willow Says:

Mat4 apologies for our earlier quarrel ….


Wog Boy Says:

@Ben

..and they are all 500 tournaments to start with, Queen’s became 500 one only in 2015.

Nothing against Andy, but this is obviously media beat up prior Wimbledon, like every year, just wait, more is coming.


Willow Says:

Travis Bickle its a nice photo, im not anti Novak, i never have been its all in your mind, i suggest you look back over the archives and see how much ive defended the guy, and how i defended the guy over a tasteless video the other day, strange that your never here then though! ….


mat4 Says:

@Willow:

No problem. We know each other for too long. You don’t need to apologies to me, especially when you didn’t say anything wrong.


Yolita Says:

@jalep
Thiem will be seeded #8 for Wimbledon, I won’t bore you with the calculations.
For Kvitova, we shall see, it depends on the Wimbledon organisers.
The formula you mentioned is to seed the men, for the women, they can do as they please: it is a judgement call.

@Mat4
Hi, there! I will be coming here more regularly. It is a nice place. tennis.comn is practically unreadable now.

@Travis
Nice to see you again. :)


Willow Says:

Jalep nice to see you here ;-)) ….


Travis Bickle Says:

@Willow (a.k.a. Green Lady, Alison, Hippie Chick, White Witch, Forest Spirit, etc…)

Since you’ve mentioned it, let me be clear with you. Also, please note I am trying to be as respectful and polite as possible since I know you are a type of poster who easily complains and likely complained about me to Tennis X before!

You ARE anti-Novak, you hate his guts, we all see it, and that is completely OK. Why do you have this need to deny that? You are allowed to hate Novak, nobody can take that emotion from you!

As Mat4 briliantly remarked to you above (6:06 am):
“I don’t expect you to root for Novak — BY RULE, you root against him and it’s OK. He beat Rafa 26 times.”

Again, we all know and see you hate Novak. But that is OK, you’re free to be hateful person and keep doing that – however don’t expect us not to notice it and point it out, because it is very obvious. Be more like your friend Giles – he is not denying his hate and because of that openness has at least some respect from most Novak fans.

I hope you appreciate me being honest with you, without being personally insulting. I try to be like that with everyone.


mat4 Says:

@Yolita, it’s nice to have you here.

@Travis, CF1: On the Tignor list, 25 players wear Nike, and their 4 main stars — Federer, Nadal, Williams, Sharapova, are “featured” 19 times.


mat4 Says:

Sorry: — Federer, Nadal, Williams, Sharapova, are “featured” 20 times.


Okiegal Says:

@mat4…..Okay, I see…..just wasn’t paying close enough attention to that little detail……but I understand now. thanks!!


Willow Says:

Travis Bickle its getting old now (YAWN), the hate i have for Novak exists only in your head, ive been here for years, and spoke up for the guy numerous times, try looking at some of the old threads and you will see that, like i did a couple of days a go when you were not even here when a poster put up a rather tasteless video, about that guy you mention he is not my friend either as he thinks my not biased enough, and has even called me some secret Novak fan, i have nothing against Novak he is just not my favorite, some people believe it or not have other favorites too, its getting silly now, so just knock it off purlease ….

BTW I like Witch Witch and Forest Spirit for monikors, maybe ill use them in future too CHEERS TRAVIS :)) ….


mat4 Says:

Here is the men’s list:

No. 1, Nadal d. Federer, 2008 Wimbledon
No. 4, Nadal d. Federer, 2009 Australian Open
No. 5, Nadal d. Federer, 2006 Rome
No. 6, Federer d. Nadal, 2007 Wimbledon
No. 7, Nadal d. Verdasco, 2009 Australian
No. 8, Djokovic d. Wawrinka, 2013 Australian
No. 10, Soderling d. Nadal, 2009 French Open
No. 11, Federer d. Roddick, 2009 Wimbledon
No. 12, Djokovic d. Nadal, 2012 Australian
No. 14, Djokovic d. Federer, 2011 U.S. Open
No. 16, Federer d. Djokovic, 2011 French
No. 18, Federer d. Del Potro, 2012 Olympics

Find the odd match.


Travis Bickle Says:

@mat4

The “nike” theory could explain the absence of two amazing Djoker-Murray matches from his Top 20 list – Rome 2011 Masters semi and Shanghai Masters 2012 final – no nike involved. Although I still stick to my “Fedal fanaticism” argument :-)

Also, I will echo CF1′s comment from above – that Madrid Masters 2009 semi between Djoker and Rafa was one of the Top 5 clay-court matches ever played! Needless to say, it didn’t make tennis.com list of best 20 in the 2006-2016 period…??!!??


Willow Says:

i Think if i had to choose my favorite ever match, its not between two active player, but two retired players,Pat Rafter v Goran Ivanisavic in the Wimbledon final in 2001, Pat had MPs, and Goran fought his way back to win the title, Pat was my favorite player in that era, so i was gutted he didnt win W that year or ever ….


Willow Says:

Mat4 i know it wasnt your intention, but you rather set me up for ridicule in your post @ 6.06am ….


mat4 Says:

@Travis:

Willow is really nice toward other posters.

She’s a Rafan. We are Nolefans. Rafa lost a few slams because of Novak, and Novak because of Rafa. Just like I am not a big fan of Rafa, it’s normal Willow is not a big fan of Novak. But we’re doing well here for years, and she defended Novak many times in the past, when there were just a few who were not Fedfans.

You’ll soon discover who are the real haters, the many fake Nolefans (we had one in this thread, under two different monikers), and I will enjoy your duels with them — but not Willow.

Ben is a Nolefan, too. Dave, Daniel, jane, Wog, CF1. I guess that Ben, jane, Willow, Wog, Skeezer, tennisfansince76 are the longest here, so we had our battles and avoid to start new ones (except for Skeezer and Wog, after years of normal communication and different opinions, but Wog was provoked by a fake Nolefan and it degenerated without good reason).

I went once on BlueMoon to see how it is there, and it’s an atomic war compared to the calm waters of T-x.


adolfinjo Says:

i alweys read and folow this blog for few years now…bad luck for u guys i started posting …i try to behave


Willow Says:

Mat4 thanks, but it seems fruitless, im done defending my self now, would just like to stick to tennis from now on, anyway i have to ask did you see the W final in 2001 between Goran and Pat, i find it strange that nobody has that final in the list of all time greatest matches, im curious on your thoughts ? ….


mat4 Says:

@Willow:

It wasn’t my intent. But you feel this way because you’re too nice. You don’t have, because I know your posts are with a good intention. I know you for years, and you don’t have to apology for been a Rafan, you are proud of it! And what if you don’t like Novak? I don’t like Rafa myself. I hated that Roland Garros semi in 2013, 9-7 in the fifth. But it’s tennis, where there can be only one. And, “not like” doesn’t mean “hate”.

From the Rafa hater no 1 on this site ;-)


mat4 Says:

@Willow:

The list is just for the last 10 years. For me, as a Wilander fan, the best match was the USO final 1988! Exceptional. Wilander beat… what was his name? Lendl. Yes. The coach.

Then, as a Connors fan, no 2 on my list is the USO final 1983, when Jimmy beat… yes, that coach, Lendl.


mat4 Says:

But, in all honesty, it was rather easy. Lendl was a great player, but a choker. He detains the record of loses in slam single finals — 11 I guess.


Willow Says:

Mat4 i hate that RG 2013 with an absolute passion, i cringe whenever talk of that match comes up, and feel my teeth grinding, the reason is whenever its mentioned, people bring up the incident with the net cord, and always say Novak was unlucky, Rafa will never be given credit for actually winning that match, only that Novak lost the match instead, its forever tainted for me, much like the Maradona world cup hand ball incident ….


Willow Says:

Mat4 IMO Conners would be my pick for the GOAT title, im off to bed night night ….


mat4 Says:

@Willow:

You forgot the two false calls on BP in the first set… ;-)


mat4 Says:

Connors would be my pick too, had Novak not made the Grand slam.


Vami Says:

I like the Nike theory; I’ve always believed in that. People often get blinded by sports and forget about the business side; Nike Corp. is extremely powerful ($$$). A lot of negative comments/pictures about Novak in the western press are not really personal at all, it’s business.

It’s refreshing to see the BOSS photo that TB linked to. Those are rare, we are used to see Novak grimacing etc., it’s easy then to sell the “robot theory” to an average guy that occasionally follows tennis (or an idiot that follows it all the time). This guy is not human, no charisma, etc.

Strangely when I saw that photo the first time I thought the same, this is the boss!


mat4 Says:

Let’s just notice that the photo and text were published in

THE INDEPENDENT.


mat4 Says:

@Travis:

Missed your post about the list. We could be both right. Tignor is a fan of Rafa, and a big one.


Appsgadget Says:

Is that Manny Pacquiao with Andy Murray in the Photo :) ?


Okiegal Says:

Let’s hear it for Tignor…..VAMOS!!


Willow Says:

Appsgadget yeah i think it is Manny ;-)) ….


Margot Says:

@ OK
I love Tignor’s writing. He is a poet.
Everything/everybody is biased, even “The Independent” as mat knows full well. To pretend otherwise by a writer is to be dishonest. Much better to declare your bias and then let other people judge your writing accordingly.
Hey Kath n Willow: Wales! Jeepers creepers! Never been interested in footie but wow, imagine us doing a Leicester City!


Willow Says:

Mat4 can you hear that sound, its the sound of my teeth grinding ?, i really dont care how great the match was, or how great everyone else here thought the match was, thats their perogative, certain posters bring it up ad nauseum and its unbelievably irritating, if i never see it again it will be too soon ….


Willow Says:

Margot well Kerber and Mugaruza had a Leicester City type of moment, so why not Wales, sports funny sometimes, so nothing would surprise me ! ….


mat4 Says:

@Margot

Of course Tignor is biased, and of course I am biased too. The pun with the Independent looked good, btw. But, on the other side, was there no Murray match that deserved to be on the list? His two day epic against Rafa in 2008, at the USO, when he lost the title despite winning. At this time, he had a very positive H2H against Federer.

Then, enough also of the false “aesthetics” that the match between Djokovic and Murray are “boring”. The tennis they play against each other is exceptional, a blend of defence, attack, movement, diversity of shots, tactical adjustments and these matches are often very tense, with TBs all over the place. Tignor is one of the author who propagate this misconception, although he should know better.

There were a few posts where I joked about Lendl… why react about Tignor, when there were no factual errors? In 20 matches, you have 20 times Fed, Rafa, Serena and Maria, who all endorse Nike. Add to them Isner, Vinci, etc.

And as an “serious” author, when he makes such a list, criteria for inclusion have to be obvious: historical importance, quality of game, tense result.

But no — nothing of this criteria was used. He made a list like I would have, and proclaimed these matches the most important of the decade. It’s risible: the FO final in 2008 was very important, because it was the end of an era, just like the OG final 2012, or the French QF 2015. Quality wise, the USO final 2009, probably, and a few other matches.

He doesn’t deserve to be defended.


Margot Says:

And since this thread is supposed to be about Murray, Raoinic, Thiem and Meyer, I’m daring to post this:

https://www.lta.org.uk/major-events/aegon-championships/videos/


J-Kath Says:

Yep Margot. Well done.

They nearly did an Andy…..almost on their way out. Don’t watch “footie” but do register process and progress. I’ll adopt Wales for the duration of the tour. GO FOR IT!!!!

PS: Del Potro plays today…a chance to see his form pre-Wimbledon?


mat4 Says:

@Willow:

I hope you don’t have a toothache.

If you don’t like that match, when you see “FO 2013″ just skip the post. I don’t like that match either.

To be frank, I don’t understand you. A win is a win. But if you still don’t like this match, I could recommand the Doha 2016 finale. Or the FO 2015 QF. Great matches. No luck involved. And I like them. You’ll be quite welcome in the “Nole cult”. It’s pagan, btw. ;-)


J-Kath Says:

One last non-tennis remark with no excuses.

UK + N.I. enormous vote coming up Thursday. I postal voted and while I wavered, I went for BREXIT.


mat4 Says:

@J-Kath:

I use “dracula stream” and “live sport stream” to watch tennis on the computer. I hoped that Eurosport would retransmit some tennis, but they didn’t lately. I’ll give you the precise links this afternoon.

Del Potro is a guy I would really like to see play in full form and win a few tournaments, even against Novak.


mat4 Says:

@J-Kath:

About BREXIT: well done! I hope it will win, so we can follow you in the near future!


Willow Says:

Mat4 i wont win any popularity contests from your fellow fans, but then again i never did, so whats new ? ….


adolfinjo Says:

willow u welcome in nole fan force…i am sure u will apreticiate invititation from such great fan like me…and mat4….lol


adolfinjo Says:

where is wog boy…at least when he posting my english doesnt look this bad


adolfinjo Says:

my favorite female tennis player was gabriela sabatini…like a kid i was enjoing watching her sweating and getting wet t shirt,i was staring at her nipples could even concetrate at game


Honfleuraise Says:

This thread started as a homage to Murray’s achievement last Sunday and quickly descended into a a beef from Novak supporters about media bias. Maybe if there had been more noise and fuss about his record making achievement in his own country we would have seen far more laudatory coverage from the rest of the world’s media.

When he returned to Belgrade after his first Wimbledon title (which catapulted him to No.1) he was given a hero’s welcome and the whole of Belgrade partied all night long. He returned to Belgrade shortly after Roland Garros to celebrate his wife’s 30th birthday but I am not aware of any national celebrations to mark his epic victory – which in the greater scheme of things was far more significant than simply becoming World No.1 in 2008.


mat4 Says:

@Willow

Seriously, now. All the old posters who know you most probably like you well. I wrote above what I think. I prefer a true Rafan than a false Nolefan, and I’ll explain you later why concretely.

Just relax and be what you are.

So, you don’t really want to be part of the “cult”?


mat4 Says:

@Willow:

I see I don’t have to explain anything. Ignore trolls.


Margot Says:

@Kath
Then how would you vote if there’s another Scottish referendum following a Brexit? Because SNP want in.


adolfinjo Says:

dont tell others what to do fake serb and fake nole fan mat4…willow can see i am genuine tennis lover and even i am nole fan i same enjou all other players…i love rafa love federer when he plays good…love marry also…and i cheer for them alweys only not when they play against novak….why hate other players if they are competition and threat to nole?….if game is good i anyway enjou watching it…only i hate sharapova azarenka and few other girls who screams to much


mat4 Says:

Chère Honfleuraise, n’aurais-tu pas pris un peu trop de calvados pour le petit déjeuner ?

Otherwise you would know that Novak is still very popular in Serbia, that his foundation finances a lot of projects for children, and recently Peng Liyuan, the Chinese first lady visited his tennis centre. And the press wrote a lot about his successes.

What we are arguing here is not only Novak’s case. To take an example from boxing, known to he British posters, it was the case of Lennox Lewis, who had to wait for years to have a shot at the title, although he was for years the best boxer in the world. He beat steadily both Hollyfield and Tyson.

Recently, the ATP launched a Next Generation campaign. Of ten players, 6 wears Nike, 2 Addidas, 1 Le coq sportif. There is a lot of money in sport, and it is normal that big corporations take care to maximize their profits.


mat4 Says:

I am not a Serb, and I guess neither are you. Wog Boy would have answered you already, but he’s not posting for days. You’re a troll, a Novak hater, and you came here to cause rifts and make fur fly among fans of different players.

You have probably posted here already — as emilia, e.g., and probably under another moniker. I hope nobody will be gullible enough to believe you’re a real fan.


calmdownplease Says:

‘UK + N.I. enormous vote coming up Thursday. I postal voted and while I wavered, I went for BREXIT’

WELL DONE JK!
(I’m voting out too)
We need to not be told what to do by a bunch of faceless Boris Becker types who are wholly unelected and unrepresentative and unaccountable.

‘Then how would you vote if there’s another Scottish referendum following a Brexit?’

@margot

Let them!
They’ll lose again anyway with oil at $50 a barrel. And frankly, the tail cannot be wagging the dog on this one.
The EU is a shabby cobbled together lie that has imposed austerity, sclerotic non growth and rampant unemployment on 100′s of millions with it’s fake mickey money.
It doesn’t work!


Honfleuraise Says:

For goodness sake. You have an overactive imagination. Try reading my comments with an open mind and stop making up nonsense.


Wog Boy Says:

@Honfleuraise,

What excatly did you try to tell us with your post @6:07am?

Your post doesn’t make any sense, whatsoever!


mat4 Says:

@Honfleuraise

The second post wasn’t for you! My apologies.

It was for the Adolfwhatever.


J-Kath Says:

To Margot and Calmdownplease:

I thought about including the SNP position earlier but decided it might be one step too far. However, it would not change my political views.

However, by the time the SNP went to the country again (meaning UK general election) we would all be much wiser. The discussion will be different. There may be a totally reformed EU and there might a much diminished EU. It may be a political union of EU countries which my reading of Queen Nicola says Not For Scotland. The price of oil is a factor but much less than other issues.

I’ll stop now before I’m flashed off the site.


calmdownplease Says:

‘There may be a totally reformed EU and there might a much diminished EU’

Only the latter is really possible (and likely)

ooh And I think I have had enough of your Queen Nicola to be getting on with..
(like i am with this thread but that’s another story)
Scotland is running deficits of 10% of GDP right now!
They (SNP) are failing in education and other things
I would hope that the fact that they did not get a majority means that the Scottish people are starting to see through all of this
She needs to focus on running Scotland.
Also it seems so strange to me that she wants to leave the UK but would happily leave Scotland controlled by an unelected commission that couldn’t care less about it.
Also read that SNP voters are more likely to vote out which makes sense.
At least there is consistency in that position.


J-Kath Says:

Mat1

In my view France is much more important to Germany than UK/NI are. If you guys go then difficult to know what would rise from the ashes.


calmdownplease Says:

It’s only Germany and the UK that are making a net contribution to the EU budget JK


BBB Says:

When I was in college, the debate over the EU was “wider or deeper?” and the answer ended up being both, which in my non-expert view is where the problems arose.


Wog Boy Says:

mat4,
Since I don’t intend staying here for too long, it is a bit stuffy, my advice to you..don’t feed the troll, Adolf is nothing he says he is..apart of being Adolf.


mat4 Says:

@J-Kath:

We have to go. It’s a long story, and it’s really difficult to make it short. It’s easy to find works of Emmanuel Todd, Jacques Sapir in English, and there is also a plethora of others, who show how much the EU under German hegemony is lethal for our state. The faith of Greece is awaiting us. At least, you still have the pound, and a certain economic freedom. We don’t.

I’ll also better stop here. But rejecting the rule of Bruxelles doesn’t mean that economic, cultural, technological cooperation will stop. It worked before 1992, and it will continue. And I don’t believe Scotland will leave. GB is a serious state.

Then, I like Nigel Farage.


mat4 Says:

It is the blog of Jacques Sapir:

http://russeurope.hypotheses.org/5040


Margot Says:

So you two are getting into bed with that lieing, opportunistic, scumbag Boris, who only 2 months ago was in favour of the EU, snake oil salesman Gove, hypocrite extraordinaire IDS and despicable racist Farage.
Good luck.


mat4 Says:

Hi, WB! Nice you’re here! Email.


calmdownplease Says:

‘who show how much the EU under German hegemony is lethal for our state’

well for once we agree
And it is only run by German bureaucrats now.
Varoufakis gave the game away on that one.
But even Germany is experiencing anemic growth. Although at least it is the one place in the Eurozone where there is some growth still happening
(Unsurprising Given that it is basically gamed for their exports).
France could be doing without lick-spittle extraordinaire Hollande and his complete lack of vision too


calmdownplease Says:

‘So you two are getting into bed with that lieing, opportunistic, scumbag Boris, who only 2 months ago was in favour of the EU, snake oil salesman Gove, hypocrite extraordinaire IDS and despicable racist Farage’

Do you even know the names of the ‘lying scumbags’ you are getting into bed with?
Well apart from Osbourne and Cameron etc
And it’s got nothing to do with them either…
This is to do with democracy.
We might even get rid of Farage if we are out!
Ask Corbyn, the most unenthusiastic ‘supporter’ of the EU in this campaign.


J-Kath Says:

Well now Margot you express yourself with quite some vigour but I’ll bet there’s much more you had to hold back. Dare I say it’s not them I’m voting for….and now I’m running for my life.


calmdownplease Says:

Don’t worry, JK I’ll protect you!
NOW
All we need is Eddie Izzard back on TV again for remain and we’ve won!!!

;0)


J-Kath Says:

Mat4 @9.51am

Excellent spreadsheet and summary.

Calmdownplease
Thanks – but don’t forget Margot is the author of the “Turd” wars….I shouldn’t have washed my hair this morning..I’m out of shampoo.


mat4 Says:

@Margot:

No, it’s not this, and you shouldn’t react with so much emotions. I respect you and I want us to avoid this topic from now on. Let’s argue, joke about tennis. Please.


calmdownplease Says:

You haven’t seen me at full tilt JK dear!

(No one has on this site)

And come Friday, I do hope you get to wash your hair in the tears of remainers.

erm okay i may be overdoing this one now…..
People are sheeple and will probably vote in but i am always on the look out for signs of critical thought
out there


Margot Says:

@mat
Hello what? And please no more “should” or “shouldn’t” that’s rather a parental thing to say.
@Kath
Of course, I will defend your right to be different. And of course it’s much bigger than the idiots on both sides who have led a shambolic, deeply distasteful, not to say disgraceful, campaign.
But I am no navel gazer and I want to be part of a reformed Europe and look outwards towards my brothers and sisters across the water. I am part of Europe, the UK is part of Europe. REMAIN!


calmdownplease Says:

‘I want to be part of a reformed Europe ‘

What?!!!!!
And i want a spaceship, but it’s not likely to happen, is it?
When one understands just how these faceless eurocrats operate it is clear that it cannot be reformed.
Only more doubling down and integration will come so we will be out of it by default anyway.
It’s merely platitudinous to go on like it can be changed.
Not happening ever.
Cameron was humiliated and got nothing with the ref about to commence!
Next it will be an EU treasury and probably an army.
I don’t know why this is a ‘left wing’ thing either
The EU has inflicted untold suffering on millions of young people who might never get a job in their own countries!


calmdownplease Says:

‘I am part of Europe, the UK is part of Europe. REMAIN!’

Thanks for the geography lesson, but we can be part of Europe without being part of the EU. LEAVE!


J-Kath Says:

Fine Margot. Even families are disagreeing.
Too difficult to explain what motivates me on this thread.
We’ll be back to a GS soon…meanwhile there’s Eastbourne and not forgetting Wales at football.


calmdownplease Says:

Yeah, Wales are killing it
So glad to see Russia’s out of control fans disappointed too.
Toodles!!
;)


mat4 Says:

@Margot:

I didn’t understand your answer, sorry. Didn’t know about the connotation of “should”, “shouldn’t”. You overestimate my knowledge of English.

My post was written in good faith.


jane Says:

what a fascinating conversation about the EU vote coming up. we watched lots of debates on this when we were in the UK and it seemed like a lot of the young people want to stay, for travel and educational reasons whereas up north many wanted to leave. i think i am glad i am not part of that vote…. although we have our own worries, what with a possible wall being built south of the border. lol and : /

(one aside: the price of oil needs not to matter anymore. it’s high time we move on from fossil fuels when there are already better alternatives. )


jane Says:

on a more tennis-related front, you can watch boodles here: coric and delpo forthcoming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6qp8YCiW9Y


Margot Says:

@CDP
Last comment promise….;) Economic arguments overwhelming for Remain, thought that might influence a pragmatist like your good self…
@jane
Yes, young people are very much in favour of the EU, so let’s hope they turn up and vote.
@mat
Being told I should or shouldn’t be doing something just really rankles and I immediately want to do the opposite.


skeezer Says:

“This thread started as a homage to Murray’s achievement last Sunday and quickly descended into a a beef from Novak supporters about media bias.”
Of course! SOP.


Vami Says:

@ skeezer
“Accomplishment” is the key word.


Willow Says:

Skeezer too true ….


Wog Boy Says:

“So glad to see Russia’s out of control fans disappointed too.”
It is painfull when you know that couple of hundred Russians kick the sh$t of couple of thousand idiot English fans who are terrorizing Europe for decades.those English pi$$heads were crying like a babies when somebody stood up to them.
They should take leaf from Irish fans behaviur in France, no one single trouble, everybody loved them.


mat4 Says:

Wog Boy:

Sorry, I’ve seen the pictures of the so-called “Russian fans”.

Here you can see blond, pale Russian beating English supporters:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vHxhYEGkEYY/V18YzkVujkI/AAAAAAAAFm8/ioQRBBvldbAufOoJcaZ7POwlILDgOBgCQCLcB/s400/Ck1JWFqWsAAb3P9.jpg

And here, Russian supporters with the tatoo of Milan Bandera, the famous Ukrainian nazi:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G7GdxWVMBhY/V18Ha7oXoQI/AAAAAAAAFmg/QbR59ks8g1Uj21bptB7PnCwvf5DF7C5KACLcB/s1600/Ck2QzA6WEAAcZd3.jpg%2Blarge.jpg


mat4 Says:

Sorry, it isn’t Bandera.


Wog Boy Says:

mat4,

No need to elaborate who are the most unruly fans in Europe, that’s why it is funny when they cry foul, everybody in France had a crack at them, the biggest embarrassment was when even some English officials accused Russians of bringing special forces dressed as a fans to beat them up:)


mat4 Says:

Chechens, I bet…

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