Frenchmen Tsonga, Monfils, Simon Advance in Rio; Djokovic, Nadal And Murray Sunday
by Staff | August 7th, 2016, 12:19 am
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The French had a good opening day in Rio with three players in the men’s field all advancing out of the first round.

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga overcame trouble against Tunisian Malek Jaziri who served for the match in the second, to fight back and win 4-6, 7-5, 6-3.

“I was very concerned because I was thinking this may be my last Olympic Games,” said Tsonga. “The next one is in four years and I don’t know if I will play or not or if I will be able to keep my level at this stage so I don’t want to go out of tis Olympic Games without playing my game, without taking pleasure. Today I was close to doing that, so it was really good for me to win and do better in the next match.”

Gilles Simon followed by knocking out Croatian teen Borna Coric 6-4, 7-6(1) and then in the evening Gael Monfils stayed hot cruising past Canada’s Vasek Pospisil 6-1, 6-3.

While France went 3-0, American men went just 1-3 as an ailing Jack Sock was stunned to world No. 118 Taro Daniel 6-4, 6-4. Afterward, Sock complained of a bout of walking pneumonia.

“I’ve had the cough going and I felt something in my lungs, and I thought it would get better but it didn’t,” said Sock. “So I went in the night before I came here to the doctor and he said I had walking pneumonia. I was still trying to play with that out here and it’s not easy when all of these guys are very, very good players.

“My team has gone back and forth but I wasn’t going to take no for an answer. I wanted to come down and be part of the Olympic team and experience it. Maybe after this I’ll take the necessary precautions. I was going to come down and experience it no matter what. Hopefully I can get on some antibiotics and get it taken care of.”

Brian Baker fell to Japan’s Yuichi Sugita and Denis Kudla was crushed by Andrej Martin of Slovakia. The only win came by Steve Johnson who routed Darian King of the Barbados 6-3, 6-2.

The highest playing Saturday was Kei Nishikori and the Toronto finalist had no trouble opening the Rio event defeating French Open quarterfinalist Albert Ramos-Vinolas 6-2, 6-4.

Marin Cilic, Philipp Kohlschreiber and Juan Monaco were also winners. And Thanasi Kokkinakis’s return was cut short by Gastao Elias.

On Sunday, the big guns come out as Novak Djokovic joins medal winners Rafael Nadal and Andy Murray on court.

Djokovic just won the Toronto event and needs only the gold to complete the Career Golden Slam. He’ll take on Juan Martin del Potro in a rematch of their bronze match in 2012.

“If I play hard, if I serve well and if my forehands work in a good way then maybe I’ve got a little chance to win,” said del Potro. “This match is going to be completely different than four years ago.

“My game is not good enough as four years ago. I’m still looking forward to do a good match and I’m confident that if I have a good crowd supporting me it will be interesting.”

Nadal, who already has the Golden Slam, will play his first match in over two months against Argentine Federico Delbonis. How will his left wrist respond?

And Andy Murray begins his title defense against Viktor Troicki.

SUNDAY RIO OLYMPICS SCHEDULE
Centre Court
starting at 10:45
MS 1 BROWN Dustin (GER) vs BELLUCCI Thomaz (BRA)
followed by
WS 1 (1) WILLIAMS Serena (USA) vs GAVRILOVA Daria (AUS)
MS 1 TROICKI Viktor (SRB) vs (2) MURRAY Andy (GBR)
not before 18:45
WS 1 (3) MUGURUZA Garbine (ESP) vs JANKOVIC Jelena (SRB)
MS 1 (1) DJOKOVIC Novak (SRB) vs DEL POTRO Juan Martin (ARG)

Court 1
starting at 11:00
WS 1 (ITF) DUQUE-MARINO Mariana (COL) vs (2) KERBER Angelique (GER)
followed by
MS 1 (3) NADAL Rafael (ESP) vs DELBONIS Federico (ARG)
WS 1 GARCIA Caroline (FRA) vs (ITF) PEREIRA Teliana (BRA)
WD 1 (1) WILLIAMS / WILLIAMS (USA) vs SAFAROVA / STRYCOVA (CZE)
MD 1 (ITF) BELLUCCI / SA (BRA) vs (2) MURRAY / MURRAY (GBR)


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127 Comments for Frenchmen Tsonga, Monfils, Simon Advance in Rio; Djokovic, Nadal And Murray Sunday

Travis Bickle Says:

Wow, the crowd booed Venus Williams against Flipkens today. It was very bad! Unusually one-sided anti-Venus crowd!!!

It was as one-sided as the USO final last year when 99% of Ashe audience was anti-Djoker. The only difference: Venus lost today, Djoker beat Federer last year.

Considering how generally nice Venus is, I would guess that Brazilians really don’t like American athletes.


Okiegal Says:

I pulled away from that match after the second set to watch gymnastics…..I didn’t notice that she was being booed. If they boo her little Sis there could be trouble!! Lol 💪💪💪


J-Kath Says:

Politics meets tennis!

Andy getting heat on Twitter because he carried the Union Jack at the Rio Opening Ceremony, having previously voiced positive support for Scottish Independence prior to the 2014 Referendum.


Danica Says:

It was probably due to the fact that Dustin was playing a local guy. I cannot believe anyone would willingly cheer someone’s injury and pain.


J-Kath Says:

Williams Sisters lost first set. My those two Czech girls are astonishing…have taken Venus’s serve now leading 3-2 in second round.

Congrats to Rafa and to Andy. Where is Nole?


AndyMira Says:

@Dani..agree…so sad to see something like this happen after we saw such an incredible opening the other day..


AndyMira Says:

@JK..Nole will play the last game..maybe[if they stick to the original schedule] 01:15 am your time..


AndyMira Says:

@Okie…i need to hear your verdict after you watch Rafa’s first match..what do you think?From the result,it’s pretty convincing..

@JK,M,RZ…congrats for Andy’s win too..


Okiegal Says:

@AM….Well, it was obvious he wanted it, so the wrist must be OK!! This is great news……hope it holds up!!


AndyMira Says:

Okie..it’s great to hear that..btw this is rafa’s words after the match..http://summergames.ap.org/article/left-wrist-not-perfect-rafa-nadal-wins-return-olympics?


chrisford1 Says:

Look, from now until he retires (hopefully many years from now), the media will ask the guy for an injury report, 1st and foremost.
“OK, Rafa you won against Andy – now can we get to the important stuff??”

“Si. My back is not perfect, no? Same with my wrist, both knees, left shoulder, left ankle, right foot, and left eyebrow locking up when my face twitches. All troubling, but should not stop play. I have not cut myself cooking in months and learned about not resting my hand on hot plates, once was enough. I have a slight stomach upset, hopefully it will not get worse.”


Danica Says:

C’mon NOLEEEEE!!!

(Shaky first game though)


Daniel Says:

DelPo’s FH is smacking today. Great set so far. Djoko defending as good as he can but he still lacks more offense.

Tiebreak


AndyMira Says:

My God!the match between Novak/Delpo is crazy crazy awesome!


Daniel Says:

Wow, did not see that coming! DelPo 1 set up and will serve first second set. Djoko under pressure now.


AndyMira Says:

@Daniel..did you notice that nole keeps shaking his left hand repeatedly?Even the commentators mention about that..


Daniel Says:

AM, did not notice it. Will pay closer attention now. Maybe something is irradiating from his shoulder / arm.
DelPo FH DTL is making the difference today.


AndyMira Says:

Yeah Daniel..DelPo FH is a firecracker today..outstanding!Multiple times it’s overwhelmed nole and nole is the BEST defense on the planet atm..


Wog Boy Says:

Off to Cincinnati, Nole is not winning this one, Delpo is zoning, great play.
Yeah, that was easy draw for Nole;)


Daniel Says:

Murray’s brothers saved 4 MP in tiebreak second set against Brazil so far, 8-8


Daniel Says:

To early WB, if Djoko gets second set my money is on him. DelPo needs this in two.

Djoko saved a few crucial BP’s already and DelPo can get tense close to end of this set.


AndyMira Says:

My God!It was like watching a final already..i don’t care,i want to rate this match as THE MOST INCREDIBLE MATCH OF WHOLE TOURNAMENT..that’s how awesome they are!!


Daniel Says:

Muray spectacular saving MP down 12-13 with an amazing cross court volley.


Wog Boy Says:

Daniel, yes, if Nole gets second set, agree, but I don’t see him getting that second set, I like gentle giant and he is just playing too good, and he is hungry, very hungry.


Daniel Says:

Sa and Bellucci eliminate Murray’s.


Daniel Says:

15-30 to Djoko on DelPo serve 4-4


Daniel Says:

Yeah, DelPo is super hungry. almost on a mission.


Daniel Says:

Game Delpo, 5-4 1 game fro a huge upset and what could be his most important win in over 3 years.


Daniel Says:

30 Unforced Errors fro Djoko in 2 sets (not finished yet) is too much.


Daniel Says:

Well, DelPo guarantee another tiebreak. Djoko to serve to stay alive.


Danica Says:

Wow DelPo what a player!!!!
What’s Wawa’s backhand, that’s DelPo’s forehand.

Too bad this match has to be played in 1st round.


Danica Says:

Still hope for Nole.


BBB Says:

Del Potro is killing it. Nice to see him playing so well after everything he’s been through, regardless of how this match ends.


AndyMira Says:

Standing ovation for


Daniel Says:

2 back to back FH on the run DTL passing shots by Delpo to get 2 mini breaks, 3-0 and 2 serves, amazing! He deserves this win on these two shots alone.


AndyMira Says:

Oopps sorry..too early click the button..i was meant to say standing ovation for DelPo for 2 outstanding FH winner in TB..


Daniel Says:

If he wins here I am backing him up all the way, even if Carioca’s are all against Argentineans (our arch enemys;-). DelPo definitely is the one who deserves this medal the most, he always give his all in Olympics and it would be great from him to win a huge title.


Daniel Says:

And DelPo’s BH is holding fine, think he is finally starting to get back with that wing.


Danica Says:

Bravo DelPo. BRAVO!!! What a performance! Now, don’t go losing in the next round, win that gold!

Congrats!!!


Daniel Says:

Poor Djoko, his window for Gold is almost done. The silver lining is he lays great in Asia and next one is Tokyo, but he will be 33.

Devasting to see him leave court crying:-(

But great to see DelP crying and the hug at the net.

Mixed emotions today.


Wog Boy Says:

Congrats to Delpo, great match, great win, keep it up Gentle Giant, good luck.


Markus Says:

Djokovic at the Olympics: Bwahahaha!!!


AndyMira Says:

Special moment this 2 greats at the net..so moved to see nole cried..and so sorry for his lost..

Sorry Dani and other nole fans..


Okiegal Says:

Awww sweet exchange at the net from to awesome athletes…what a great match! That was fun and exciting. It’s a crying shame DelPo has had the wrist injury to deal with. Had he not, I believe tennis record books would look different. When he’s healthy, he’s a beast! Sorry to Novak fans……but I believe DelPo is back!


chrisford1 Says:

One of my 3 guys beat another of my 3 guys. Well deserved victory for Delpo. It’s like when Stan zoned and beat Novak at last years FO. What are you going to do? Except give Juan big applause hoping he plays like this another 5 matches and wish Novak better luck next time.

Gives Djokovic something to shoot for, a reason to hang around and try and get even better. 4 years from now, he will have just turned 33.


elina Says:

Novak broke down in tears leaving the court.

Never seen him do that after losing in any wtf, masters or any slam other than the French.

Murray said carrying the flag for GB was his proudest moment in his career.

So much for all the fedfans here speaking for the best players saying that the olympics don’t matter and pale compared to wtf and slams.

Revisionism at its finest.

Now if Roger won singles gold…


elina Says:

Sorry for nole fans here.

Tough draw for both players obviously.

Great level from both guys for an epic match.

Lucky to witness such high level of play.


Okiegal Says:

Way to go Katie Ledecky…..Gold 400m freestyle, USA! She broke her own record!!


Daniel Says:

Okii, she is scary good, almost 5 seconds on top of second. Swimming has a lot of record breaking. Hope Phelps swims the 4×100 m tonight and get another Gold medal.


Humble Rafa Says:

So much for all the fedfans here speaking for the best players saying that the olympics don’t matter and pale compared to wtf and slams.

Give them a break. They just follow the Arrogant One’s coattails. Since he is old and injured, the faithful want to act like Olympics is not a big deal.

#childish


AndyMira Says:

@JK,Margot…sorry for the Murray bro’s lost..never see that one coming but that’s okay..Andy still in contention for gold at least..


Okiegal Says:

@Daniel……She is awesome and Phelps will be in the water soon. I hope he can do it too!

@AM….Did Marc and Rafa win their dubs match?


Markus Says:

What’s Djokovic crying about? Cry baby. He should smile and thank his lucky stars that del Potro had all these wrist problems, otherwise, he would not have had half of the slam titles he got. Boo- hoo…but I’m still laughing. it’s like Wimbledon all over again, only worse!


Okiegal Says:

Men’s swimming relay about to start! Crowd booing Russian team…..GO USA!


Wog Boy Says:

elina,
Nole cares for Olympics very much, he cried when he lost to Rafa in Bejing 2008, by his own words hardest defeat to get over it in 2012 was to Andy and Delpo in London 2012, coincidentally this is second time Delpo is stopping Nole at Olympics. It was the luck of draw that put them to play against each other in the first round, Nole lost, it hurts him a lot, but he will bounce back, at the end of the day he hasn’t lost playing badly, on the opposite, he lost to GS winner in the cracker of the match, to the player that played his absolutely best, the only thing we can do to congratulate to both of them and be thankful that we were able to witness great match between two great players and good people too.


Raj Says:

So happy after long time.. Joker downfall started..


Khb Says:

The ones crying are Fed clowns. They pretend that Del Potro was the best player with nothing but pain. Supposedly the hero for saving Fed fanboys’ pride. It’s alright, Fed muppets.
At least Fed has old age and 17 “great” Slams.

Olympics and Novak were “nothing good” but now, every Novak match is worse than Federer’s bad matches against Novak… Yeah right.
Fed depended on Wawrinka to luck out in doubles, and choked match points away in big matches of 2005, 2006 & 2010-11. He should count his lucky stars for reaching semis & finals.
Del Potro gets a few Olympic wins but he certainly wouldn’t have stopped Novak from winning 12 Slams.
Novak will never be as phony, arrogant & overrated as Fed and his boy freak fanatics.
Novak is not your fed victim. Fedal lost their Slams to Novak, and fedal didn’t even face each other at us open. Del Po gets a poor playing Novak at the olympics, but don’t think Novak’s luckier than Fedal. Novak got Slam success, fair and square.
While Novak gets back to work, Fed apologists still brag and weep.
It’s an insult to Del Potro.


AndyMira Says:

@Okie 10:37pm..yes okie..Rafa and Marc won 64 64..


Okiegal Says:

@AM…Thanks for the report!


Colin Says:

So once again, if Andy wins this tournament all and sundry (particularly the spiteful Markus) will want to put an asterisk against the win.

Why have few here discussed the indications that Nole had shoulder trouble? No doubt he’ll be accused of faking by this time tomorrow.


Danica Says:

There are a few poor souls here with no life. Pitiful. Keep gloating and enjoy your hate. Yuck.


ulysses Says:

vilification of Fed unwarranted. His fans don’t always represent the man and that goes for any role model (Socrates, Confucius, Jesus, Mohammed etc). In fact, often the followers contradict the leader.

That bit of passion aside, anyone who says Fed’s absence here indirectly means he thinks less of it or that he does since he did not win Gold is crazy. Lousy logic. Just look at the video after he and Stan won. Someone in Fed’s camp once said, if you want to know Roger, don’t look at his fans, just look at his boyish reaction after winning. That’s what Fed thinks of the Olympics. Lest we also forget that the man met his wife at Sydney ’02. I doubt the whole thing isn’t positive for him.


AndyMira Says:

@Okie…you’re alllllways welcome okie..btw..enjoy your gymnastics?I hope you’re not get too excited and wanna try a few routine yourself..”dum wah diddy dum diddy doo”..he he


skeezer Says:

“So much for all the fedfans here speaking for the best players saying that the olympics don’t matter and pale compared to wtf and slams.”
All the Fed fans? Who claims thatt? You’re wrong if you did. That is just jealousy talking again.
The Olympics is a big deal to the tennis professional today, why is the top 4 always wanting to play in it?
Fed yearned for one last chance at another Olympic gold but got injured. Rafa is entered despite a questionable wrist. And Novak went down crying in the lost like no other. You don’t think it was important to him? Think again.
Granted, this is not a Slam but Novak and the CON cult just suffered a magnanimus defeat. Delpo deserves this win, no doubt,
Sorry, but the CON cult needed some humbleness. Want to be a true Nole fan? Follow the likes of danica, courban and jane. Class acts all the way.

“Now if Roger won singles gold…”
He won a Gold medal in Tennis. Did Monfils? Novak?


chrisford1 Says:

ulysses – agree with you that Fed is better than most his fans. How could he not be???

For Djokovic and Delpo, great mutual regard and respect exists – How could it be otherwise, given both are genuinely nice guys yet true warriors on court???


Margot Says:

Woke up to this rather surprising news, but in best of 3 an upset is always possible.
Congratulations to JMDP and his fans, sounds as if he played a blinder.
Commiserations to Nole and his fans.


skeezer Says:

Phelps!!!

19. Unmatched.


Wog Boy Says:

“Granted, this is not a Slam but Novak and the CON cult just suffered a magnanimus defeat.”

Gloating again, what an idi@t you are!
“magnanimous”, really? Nole lost to GS winner in the great match in which one both played great, but I’ll tell you what is magnanimous defeat, “the GOAT” in his prime losing USO final to 20 year old player ( guess which one), after leading 2:1, now, that’s magnanimous defeat.

I don’t see any Nole fan crying over this defeat, we take it on the chin, and moved forward, we are note crybabies like certain one fans, keep gloating that’s about all you can do.


Wog Boy Says:

Actually after checking out “magnanimous” is not such a bad word, I’ll take that one back but rest of the post stays, not taking anything back.


skeezer Says:

^sniff sniff wa..wa…whine whine. Just take your lumps, you types deserved it.
Delpo is not Slam material nowadays, look at his post wrist record.
Quit making excuses, the worlds number 1 had his best shot at a medal in his prime, produced nada.
Wait, this is all Feds fault, right? Lol….
“I don’t see any Nole fan crying over this defeat, we take it on the chin, and moved forward”
Really? You see all of Noke’s fans? Amazing.
I can see Novak shed a tear about it though…..


J-Kath Says:

To Nole Fans

Wish I had seen the match – it sounds magnificent. Nole’s emotion will have endeared himself to all fans….he was human and evidently showed how much it meant to him. Not to take anything from Del Potro – a very worthy winner – but Nole has some kind of niggle – has had since Wimbledon -and when a match is so close you need to be at your very best.

AM: Thanks for the scheduling info. further up – alas it was too late for me to stay up. And congrats. Nadal is doing very well singles and doubles.


AndyMira Says:

JK..It’s nothing..and yeah..it was late but my God JK!The match was unnnnbelievable!I would watch it a 1000th times more…and thanks for the congrats JK..but at this moment don’t dare to dream much..but it’s another story with Andy..suddenly the gold is not so far away yes??Heh!heh!heh!


danica Says:

J-Kath,

It was a good match. There were a few great points, absolutely great. If there is a rerun, see it. Or, the highlights on youtube should be enough. DelPo pressed Nole from the very start. The first game, which was on Nole’s serve, lasted around 8 minutes.

Thank you for your kind words ;). Much, much appreciated.

Novak’s problem is getting into form during the tournaments. He is usually not very sharp at the beginning and plays himself into form as the tournament progresses. This is his third early loss of a year. And this is definitely the hardest to swallow. He still has some chances in doubles but, as he said it himself after Wimbledon, everything happens for a reason. Maybe it’s finally time for him to win Cincy?

DelPo absolutely deserved to win. He was the better player throughout. I just hope he can keep on going like this. After all he suffered and went through, the win over the #1 in the world has to be a confidence boost. I hope he goes all the way to the finals where, I expect, he will most likely meet Andy. And then, may the best man win.


J-Kath Says:

Danica

UR welcome. Agree.


elina Says:

Novak says “one of the toughest losses of my career”.

Don’t recall him ever saying same about WTF or tearing up there either.

Olympic tennis is up there with slams for the top players, even though fedfans like to think otherwise (although some change their tune when convenient lol).


Markus Says:

Hahaha! I’m still laughing. Djokovic beaten by del Potro who can hardly play like he used to after those wrist injuries/surgeries. Djokovic cried so his narrow-minded idolaters suddenly think it’s great that he cries. Make up your minds, oh, that may be hard for you to do now that Djokovic has been losing important matches. Keep whining and spinning the blame on Federer and his fans. You seem to be very good at that when Djokovic loses. That’s because you know who’s the boss!


Sisay Says:

Markos
…sorry but how old art you? I think you âre on thé wrong site…


ulysses Says:

Reading the comments, I can’t help but find the humorous side. Omg, Djokovic lost in the first round, it’s a disaster. What? You do recall that Fed lost to Berdych and James Blake in the 2004 and 2008 olympics, respectively. You do recall that a guy named Nicolas Massu won Athens? Yeah there’s nothing monumental about Djokovic’s loss, except to the extent fanboys of either camp want to make a big deal of it. It isn’t given to the no 1 in the world or any man that they must win Olympic gold. Sometimes, Mt Olympus just feels like messing up your day :) Geez, just enjoy the darn tennis.

p.s. I love seeing top players in the pressure cooker at the Games. There’s no tournament where they’re under more pressure.


skeezer Says:

“Yeah there’s nothing monumental about Djokovic’s loss, except to the extent fanboys of either camp want to make a big deal of it.”
Well, Novak himself it was a very big deal leading up to the Olympics and him breaking down emotional after the match kinda says it was a wee bit monumental, no?

Regarding Feds losses, yeah he lost. He also won the doubles, which some Fed haters mocked at. But if you saw his emotions from winning that you would realize how important it was to him also.

I agree Tennis in the Olympics is not the end all of Tennis, Slams will still be the bar setter. However, it is I think more personal to the athlete to have a medal from the Olympics, no matter what sport, at it is the oldest of organized games, and carries a higher sense of pride as you play not just for yourself but for your country as well. It is something special as it comes once every four years, not four times a year.


elina Says:

No, Roger didn’t win the doubles. Roger and Stan won the doubles.

Andre and Nadal are the only men in history to earn the elusive career golden slam BTW.

I think Nole can still do it in 2020. At least I hope so.


Danica Says:

Nole said before the Games that winning gold would be one of if not the biggest achievements of his career. So, there you go. He even apologized yesterday for “lettig down so many people”. He really wanted it. It is one thing playing for yourself, it’ s totally different playing for one’s country.


J-Kath Says:

The majority of posters do not like nastiness. This means the rule is: mark us and either comply, swallow your bile, or get on your bike and buzz off.


skeezer Says:

“No, Roger didn’t win the doubles. Roger and Stan won the doubles.”
Correction. A Gold medal is a Gold Medal. Roger got one, Stan got one, they did not split it in half.


elina Says:

^^^ Exactly, they each won a medal for a TEAM event. It was not an INDIVIDUAL achievement the way, say, a Nadal or an Agassi each winning career golden slams. Those were INDIVIDUAL achievements in tennis.

You know like some shoot down Davis Cup as a team event, not individual. In that vein. Some like to have it both ways, fedfans in particular.


skeezer Says:

^^^^ So why are you trying to knock him getting a Gold Medal. So you’re saying a Gold Medal is not a Gold Medal, it is rated somehow between an individual achievement and a team one??
Wether you get one as a team or individual, it’s still a Gold Medal just like anyone else who gets one. Don’t know what you are eluding to other than just trying to minimize achievements.
When Monfils and Novak gets one, call me, will chat.


Pamela Says:

what a fabulous match… khb – not sure why you’re ripping Roger apart. Not only is he unable to play at the olympics, but nobody that I see was cheering b/c Novak lost and somehow saying how great that is for Federer. Be happy for del potro. praise the match for the great tennis that it was and leave Federer out of this….. no reason to ruin such a great moment in time. J-Kath – I totally agree. nastiness does not belong on this site


Daniel Says:

All Big 4 have won medals for their country, in Olympics spirit, that is what matters most. Off course any athlete would want gold, what Agassi, Nadal and Murray have. But is not the end of the world not winning it. Fed has a silver and Djoko has bronze, it kind of almost would be ironic that they (most likelly as nobody knows how level Djoko will be next 4 years) will end up as the top 2 most successfull players and Co-GOAT or GOAT and second GOAT without the Olympics Gold.

Also, tennis Gold start matter in last 3-4 editions. Gistorically for tennis it didn’t matter in the past as no other former greats other than Agassi and half Big 4 have won it: Laver, Borg, Conners, Lendl, McE, Sampras, Federer, Djoko (still with a shot).

It is more sentimental to them than prestigee towards history.


Daniel Says:

Olympic tennis will never be “right there with Slam” because you don’t have the top players and all time greats winning it or the history Slam carries. The filed were never the same. I think 2008 was the obly edition there were no major withdraws, in the past top players just didn’t bother. Perspective.

You try to diminihs WTF but look at the names won it multiple times. The only all time Great, former #1 and multiple Slam winner to have never won it is Nadal, and that can change in the future, although not likelly.


elina Says:

Who to believe – revisionism fanboys or the players?

Doesn’t sound like sentimentality to me.

I believe the players who play professional tennis.

Andy Murray on winning the Gold in 2012:

“It’s number one for me – the biggest win of my life.”

Andy Murray on being flag bearer:

“by far the proudest moment in my professional career”, which places it ahead of two Wimbledon victories, a US Open title and a Davis Cup win.

Kivitova:

What do the Olympics mean to you?

“It means a lot, I always love to represent my country and it’s an honor to be part of the Olympics and be with other athletes. It’s going to be amazing. For me, it is like another Grand Slam. My dream is to have a medal from the Olympic Games and I will do my best to have it.”

Nadal, (who wouldn’t be playing any other tournament – slam or otherwise – because of his wrist, EXCEPT for the Olympics):

“If there is not Olympic Games I will not be here competing.”

“The Olympic Games is the highest thing in the world of sport.”


Daniel Says:

elina,

Ask Murray if he would have to choose to kee only one of his 4 big titles (2 Wimby, USO or Olympics) and see which one he’ll choose?!

Nicolas Massu has an Olympinc gold for Christ sake…

You can quote all the PR response playees give, nothing will ever beat a Grand Slam, specially your first.


J-Kath Says:

Daniel: No contest for Andy. He would choose his Olympic singles gold medal.


J-Kath Says:

Pamela: Did you notice I used the words “mark us” in the text (11.44pm)…guess whose name that was without the space between the two words…..


jane Says:

the distinction seems to be that tennis-legacy-wise they don’t seem to count as much but to the players themselves they mean a lot?


elina Says:

Daniel, you are missing the point.

And stop cherry picking LOL. Anyone can do that. Thomas Johansson has a slam title for Christ sake… (see how easy that was?).

Claiming that it is “sentimental” is patently false and through a fanatic’s glasses, certainly not the players, that play professional tennis whose quotes and behaviour I will believe over a fanboy’s (especially of the rabid Federer posting fanbase sort).

Nadal is not risking further injury to his wrist because of sentimentality. Him playing Olympics is not a “PR response”.

Djokovic setting French Open and Olympic Gold as 2016 goals and tearing up is not a “PR response”.


Daniel Says:

So what is your point, do you think Olympics weight more than Slams?

Players get carroed away, be in Olympic vila must be awesome but tennis is not build on Olympics. This hasnohing to do with Federer. Gosh, you Federer haters types can’t see anything beyond that.

All other main Olympics sports ate build on Olympics, it’s the highlight of their careers. They compete in World championship to build for Olympics. Not tennis, Olhmpics almost feels like a mess towards tennis schedule. But they are athletes firstand Olympics has the “sentimental” feel.

For tennis it doesn’t carry the same eeight as Slams.
Mutray will give his Olympics gold without a thought if he had to choose between that and having no Slam.

Btw, Johanson, Slam champion, Massu, Olympics Gold. Guess who is highlighted high.

The highlight of a tennis platees career will always be Slams not Olympics.

Otger aports the guy/girl can be three time wirdl champion, but if they falter in Olympics it will haunt them for life and the one who wins Olympics becamos a mith.


elina Says:

You mIss the point Daniel. Only one fan faction here in the past has tried to claim that Olympic singles gold pales in importance.

Saying that I said olympics is more important than slams is a straw man argument.

Note that both massu winning olympics and johansson winning a slam was enabled during the beginning of what some consider to be a relatively weak era in tennis. No coincidence that these two examples were within two years of each other.


elina Says:

Also, your branding of other posters as “hater types” is somewhat comical given your history of open disdain towards Nadal on this site despite what you might claim to the contrary.

The vast majority of players opting out of the Olympics do so with the understanding that their chances of medalling are virtually nil.

All you have to do is watch and listen to the Big 4 at the Olympics to realize just how important it is to them.

Saying that it is “sentimental” or putting it well below a Masters, slam or a WTF title seems to only come from one fan base for obvious reasons. Don’t see it from Murray, Nole or Nadal fans (or more importantly from the players themselves including Federer).

Not rocket science.


J-Kath Says:

Daniel:

You ought to listen to Andy rather than say what you think. To be honest for me I wouldn’t give a monkey’s for the Olympics but its not what I or you consider is most important it is what each athlete considers they want most in their career. Perhaps Andy has been under-valued by his home countries and this has fed into his psychic…whatever it is he would rather have Olympic medals (and unfortunately Davis Cup wins) than Grand Slams. It really is his decision.


J-Kath Says:

Doubles: Nadal and partner have taken the 1st set against Del Potro and his partner.


elina Says:

So very well said J-Kath.


skeezer Says:

Happy Bday Fed! Ranked #3 in the world @ 35! Wowza!
Must be chilling in his new crib;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/rogerfederer/11280039/Roger-Federers-glass-mansion-Tennis-stars-6.5m-Swiss-waterfront-home.html

18 years on Tour. He’s been good for Tennis, and Tennis has been good to him.


Daniel Says:

Elina,

Same applies to you, you said Fed fanboys, so your disdain for Fed is notorius.

And I never claim to like Nadal’s game or on coirr atitude, I always made it clear here, everybody knows. I don’t have nothing agaisnt him as a person which I thibk all top players are likeable guys and very mature compared to their predecessors.

J-Kath,

One thig is what they say another thing is what they really feel. I don’t know Murray deep down to assess, but as someone who follow tennis and plays for more than 25 years is a consensus, No tennis player will rather win Olympics thana Slam.

Do you guys really believe Olympinca gold for Murray menat more than his firat Slam for example or his first Wimbledon?!

Same people fee tennis shouldn’t even be consider Olympics sport, and I don’t mean people that like it.

A friend of mine was warching with me this weekend and he was surprised that tennis is an Oljmpica sport. But he sure knows what Wimbledon is.

Anyway, to me this is just the anti Feds trying to hype Olympics up because they know he won’t win it in single and anthring they can highligh as a negative in his resume is valid.

Anybody who follwos tennis in past years knwos Olympics is just a new thing, before the mid ninetys nobody cared. It just doesn’t have enough hostory and tradition in tennis. That is my whole point. It doesn’t mean the same as winning in swimmimg, ginastics, athletics, judo etc…


Daniel Says:

It’s the sane thing with Davis Cup. Federer got it and I never mentioned it as a plus because I never consider it tobe a benchmark for greatness.

Anyway, to which its own, I love Olympics ‘c but only match I watched complete was Djoko x DelPo because it was night and a blockbuster. I am watching antthing else because in Olympics almost everyhting is more relevant and unique. I am just keeping track of tennis and will watch semis onwards.


elina Says:

“Same applies to you, you said Fed fanboys, so your disdain for Fed is notorius.”

No, one does not necessarily follow the other.

Your reasoning abilities fail you again Dan.

I have nothing against Federer as a person (other than his behaviour), just the fanboys who make criticisms that they themselves are guilty of.

And I have watched tennis for much longer than your claimed 25 years. So what. Means nothing.

Just because Olympics didn’t matter so much to players 20 years ago, doesn’t mean they have much higher importance today. More reasoning failure Dan.

J-Kath nailed it.

Again, only fedfans play down the importance of the Olympics – no other fans nor players including Roger himself – and your claim that I said Olympics were MORE important is a simple straw man argument. Some of the players intimate as much however and I take them at their word as opposed to fedfans who claim that it pales (for one reason only).


Daniel Says:

But that is the thing elina, if there is no “pedigree”and history to it doesn’t count the same, hence several withdraws whereas Slams players only withdraw when injured.

Look, for Olympics to “grow” in tennis top players and all time greats will have to keep win it, to back it up. If in this edition neither Murray nor Nadal wins it, it will lose prestige once again. Maybe if DelPo or Cilic winning it, as they are the only other Slams winners. If another of these 4 wins it, it will not feel that important.

Players can “say” it matters now but deep them the whole tour knows what really matters and is not Olympics, importance comes with tradition in sorts. Maybe in next 20 years it can change a bit, but not right now just because a few players say so.

Go ask Laver, Borg, Sampras, Connors, Lendl, McEnroe, Becker, Wilander and many others. There is only 2 all time greats who have won it, Nadal and Agassi. and Murray who is a current Big 4 but not all time great status yet.


elina Says:

Your arguments are again mostly flawed and strawman arguments for which I’ve already provided counter arguments for which you have conveniently ignored.

No point debating a broken record other than to refer you to my earlier statements.

Suffice to say the top players establishing their legacy while representing their country obviously feel much different than the more…. Passionate fedfan faction. Only fedfans disagree for the most part and that has been my point all along Danny.


skeezer Says:

ok, the default “straw man” argument is gettng old, is all your losing arguments start with one? Oh wait, then it ends with the usual, its a fedfans fault.
Try something else already.
Like its Monfils fault.


Wog Boy Says:

“Go ask Laver, Borg, Sampras, Connors, Lendl, McEnroe, Becker, Wilander and many others. There is only 2 all time greats who have won it, Nadal and Agassi. and Murray who is a current Big 4 but not all time great status yet.”

Sorry, but you are mixing apples and oranges, mixing the time when tennis was aristocratic (white collar) sport and today’s time. You can’t get stuck in the past, tennis is leaving thing that keeps changing, before 20 years and last twenty years don’t go hand in hand, what mattered to Lendl, Wilander and others not necessarily matter to Rafa, Nole, Andy and they are proving it by scheduling all year to suit Olyimpics, those players that you mentioned would never do that.


Wog Boy Says:

^^ “tennis is living thing”


elina Says:

Wog Boy sees through Daniel’s (as skeezer says) repetitive straw man arguments.

But he’s not trying to define what matters in tennis for all fans and even the players themselves which has been my point all along lol.


skeezer Says:

elina,
Its not the content of your argument that is silly, its the way you try to argue it. Just sayin…your continually putting anyone that is not agreeing with you into 2 categories….
1) Straw Woman/man
2) You must be a Fedfan!
#exposd


elina Says:

No. It just happens to be true.

Give me an example in both of your categories.

#FailBetter


Daniel Says:

elina,

Basically you and WB just prove what I am saying. Olympics tennis only “mattes” nowadays but will never have the same impact as a Slam because it doesn’t have the history to back it up.
Just because players care more toOlympics now doesn’t mean the status of it will suddenly change completely. It doesn’t work that way. It takes some time, similar to what happen to AO Slam.

But AO is a tourney that exists for 100 years.

That is why I mention it may change in the future but only if top players keeps winning it, as they do with Slams.

No matter how you try to spin it, the HISTORICAL aspect of Olympics Tennis will never be the same as a Slam, specially not in today’s time.


Daniel Says:

elina,

My point is historical value, DC is a team Sport and Olympics is a recent thing.

Nowadays players want to win it and is a priority to them all, but historically it won’t value as much as a Slam because the past can’t just be ignored. This is my point.

If you could see beyond the FEDFAN thing, which is in every poster you make with an innuendo against Federer, we could have a discussion without this Federer thing. You claim that you can argue anything but your bias towards Federer is so evident that basically anything that you right is negative about him. My bad trying to have a reason arguing with again.


skeezer Says:

Oh c’mon elina, you really going there? I am not scouring through all the posts in the past you used this argument against me AND others. You know, and if you don’t want to own up to it, that is on you, not me.


elina Says:

Thanks for proving my point and discrediting your own skeezer.

And Daniel that is your own definition on what matters, not today’s greats. Only fedfans buy into that bias, not the current greats themselves or most fans of any other player.

My point all along.


skeezer Says:

elina,
No need to thank me, you proved my point so thank you!
its on you like I said. Most posters here know your game.
Furthermore, going forward you will use straw woman arguments and blame fedfans, you seem to not avoid it. If you continue to deny it, no worries, I’ll be here to point it out for you.
Category 1&2.
Love, skeezer


Margot Says:

Daniel @ 9.11
“ginastics” now that sounds an interesting Olympic sport and one personally I’d enjoy…..!


jane Says:

with tonic vaulting and a side of in-lime running.


J-Kath Says:

No time to lose, Margot, start practising for the next Olympics right away….looks like Jane may be thinking about competing as well.


Margot Says:

No need Kath, I’m already at Olympic standard in “ginastics.”
jane has no chance…..


elina Says:

Skeezer, except you couldn’t when I called your bluff rotfl lmao.


AndyMira Says:

Hey M and JK…is there a “Orangejuicetics”routine?I’ve got highest 10 score in that routine..


J-Kath Says:

AM

Think Margot and Jane closed the deal. Nothing for you and no Scotchywotchy for me.


AndyMira Says:

Oh well JK…in that case we have to wish M and Jane all the best..i hope they will come home unscathed[that means no broke tongue or something!]..

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