US Open Final: Novak Djokovic v Stan Wawrinka, Who’s The Pick?
by Sean Randall | September 10th, 2016, 9:08 pm
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We are down to just two at the final Grand Slam on the 2016 tennis calendar. And it’s Novak Djokovic and Stan Wawrinka for the US Open title tomorrow in New York City.

Before I get to the title match, a quick look back at how the two got to the final Sunday.

Djokovic didn’t look great but did what he needed to do to get past Gael Monfils in the semifinals Friday. Monfils took heat for his strategy but heck, his mission isn’t to entertain the crowd (though often it is), it’s to plot a course to win! And he tried to shake things up and for a while it actually worked.

Stealing a page from Gilles Simon, Monfils slow-balled Djokovic and the Serb donated nicely.

But you never got the feeling, regardless of how poorly Djokovic played and looked physically – that the Frenchman had it in him to go on and win the match. He got at least, tried something new, but it wasn’t enough in the end.

And for Djokovic there wasn’t much to take away from the match other than he’s is dealing with some physical issues and from looking at his demeanor he’s lucky to have had the draw he got.

The second semifinal was a minor upset with Wawrinka taking out an in-form Kei Nishikori. I picked Kei based on form but really that match was a toss up. Unlike Monday when they closed the roof and Nishikori benefited against Murray, this time it may have hurt Kei as Wawrinka won all three sets under the roof for the four set win.

Maxing things out, when he’s on Stan just has more power than Kei and that’s what we saw.

Stan picked up his first Top 10 win of the season, looked very strong and most importantly looked fit and hungry.

So on to the final.

Novak Djokovic v Stan Wawrinka
Djokovic has won 19 of their 23 meetings but of late in Slams it’s been an “even-steven” type of match-up. Stan’s won multiple sets in their last five Slam meetings winning at the Australian in 2014 and in the French Open final last year.

Now stan’s trying to add a third different Grand Slam title and third Slam by beating a World No. 1 – how impressive is that? And he’s reached beating two tough, in-form players in Juan Martin Del Potro and Nishikori, both of whom he lost to over the summer and of course have had their greatest Slam success in New York!

This week (not the first week), Stan’s been belting the ball, feeling confident and since he’s got those wins over Novak, he’s not scared of the Serb.

Meanwhile, Djokovic remains a question mark. We’ve seen him get treatment on a wrist, his right elbow, his right shoulder and his left shoulder, just about everywhere. He appears wounded and he hasn’t played anyone even approaching the level of Wawrinka.

Monfils, Kyle Edmund and Jerzy Janowicz have nothing really in common with Wawrinka other than they are all tennis players from Europe.

So Stan is going to hit the ball hard and make Djokovic work. And Djokovic will have to be on his game to win.

Both guys rarely lose in finals. Djokovic’s been dominant while Stan has won his last 10 and he’s never lost a Grand Slam final, 2-0.

So based on form and recent meetings Stan’s the choice. But Djokovic is still No. 1 and he’s awfully tough to count out when he’s in these big matches regardless of injuries and illness.

The problem is I just don’t know where Djokovic’s level is at. Four months ago I knew. Or at the French I knew. Now, after his shaky summer, the personal issues and these injuries, the crap draw he’s faced (not his fault), it’s hard to say. And he might not know either.

However, Stan does. So I’m going with him. In Slams he’s got Novak’s number and he’s played better this event. If Novak shows up and is in full flight, he’ll win. I just don’t think he will and that opens the door for Stan.
The pick: Wawrinka in 5

ESPN has the final live at 4pm. Based on history it should be a heck of a match. And if both guys show up – Stan does get up for finals and playing Novak, but you never know with him – it could be a classic!


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254 Comments for US Open Final: Novak Djokovic v Stan Wawrinka, Who’s The Pick?

Eric W. Says:

Sean,
Picking Stan because of Nole’s “health” issues, assuming they’re significant, is too obvious, which is why it won’t happen. Going in to the semis, Monfils was the hottest player of the tourney and he only got a set off Nole. I think Stan will do similar, so my pick is 3-1 for the Serb. Faster court than Oz or RG, thus less time for Stan to tee up his rockets, plus he’s played twice as much as Nole this tourney and will be tired if it goes more than three sets.


Ronn Says:

Hope you’re right, Eric. If Djoko can go hard to Stan’s BH and not give him time to set up then Stan could have problems. It really depends on how fresh Djoko’s going to be and if his shoulders are bothering him.The good thing is that this will be a night match with a closed roof so that could work to Djoko’s favor…


Van Persie Says:

Djoko in 4


django Says:

I think it’s an afternoon match with a chance of rain, roof closed maybe,very slightly cooler too.


skeezer Says:

Lets see, NFL starts tomorrow. Tennis or Football? Football!!

Nole in 3, unless he is complaining about something, then 4. But if he wins in 5, count on the gaping mouth routine(look at me look at me) and the wannabe superman tearing of the shirt thingy thar uniglo hates. Crap, he just wrecked another one of our best tennis shirts.
Yahoo.
“It really depends on how fresh Djoko’s going to be ”
Lol, this was the quote of the day. Why wouldn’t Novak be the freshest of the fresh freshest of all the players to this point? How much tennis has he played and against whom?


Anki Says:

Stan in four, beating Del Po, Nishikori back to back he looking back to his best. Novak is no where near close to 100% form wise and physically. He looked tired by the end of third set two days back. Pretty straight forward win for Stan.


Danica Says:

Out of the four semifinalists, only Stan didn’t seem to struggle in that humidity and heat. If conditions are similar tomorrow, that’a advantage Stan.

Like I said before, Stan doesn’t lose in slam finals. In fact, it seems like he doesn’t lose finals! I can only hope Nole can produce some of his vintage magic since he didn’t really convince me.


Margot Says:

I hope the conditions are better, it’s no fun for the players or spectators when matches are played in a steam room.
Taking this opportunity to give a shout to Jamie and Bruno who just won their second slam of the year!
Jamie now has as many slams as Andy!


AndyMira Says:

Agree with Dani about the heat..Stan didn’t seem to struggle with anything even when he was dragged to 5 sets,not with his breathing or look fatigue..He looks as fresh as a daisy!So,i think it’s advantage for him..But,the problem is,he has to face The Great Nole on the other end..and Nole always got a magic card hidden somewhere in his skinny body..Even in his fragile state atm..There’s going to be an explosive match…I don’t want to predict…Whoever win..is okay with me..Nole 13th?Wawa 3rd?Bring it on guys!


AndyMira Says:

@M…Congrats to you for jamie..You must be happy now..


Michael Says:

In the early stages of the tournament during finalisation of draws, Stan picked Andy for the title but he lost in the quarter final stage itself.

Now coming to this match, I feel that Novak will win this one in four sets with three tough sets in the offing despite being not at his best. It will be the doggedly fighting spirit of Novak which will prevail in the end. He ofcourse lost to Wawarinka at Rolland Garros, but that was a different surface and a different match where Novak was under great pressure to win his first Clay court slam and it influenced the outcome in a great way with him being too tentative and rigid.


Margot Says:

AM: Angie is my favourite female player, so doubly pleased! :) :)


Van Persie Says:

Danica, “Stan doesn’t lose in slam finals” is not that relevant. He played only 2.:)


Van Persie Says:

Djoko will play without so much pressure tonight.


david Says:

djokovic in 4.


J-Kath Says:

The Nole vs Stan poll on this thread shows that if the match goes to 5 sets voters believe Stan will win. (Stan 16.18% vs Nole 9.56%). Anything less, Nole is believed to win.


Giles Says:

The barbarian faker will try every trick in the book to win. You name it, he’ll try it!
Worst #1 EVER!!


Michael Says:

How bizarre it would be if Novak wins due to Stan retiring midcourse during the match !?


AndyMira Says:

@M 4:16am..Oh,really M?Then,i’m happy for you M..I’m also like Angel very much..She’s got a really nice attitude..never complain if things didn’t go her way..and,like you said..she’s shhhh!Silent!


BBB Says:

Seems to me if Djokovic is not playing well, then Stan wins in 4 or even 3. But if Djokovic can drag it out to 5, then I think he has the advantage. Yes Stan seemed fine, but playing a 5 setter with Djokovic is not the same as playing one with Del Potro, and Nishikori was burned out from playing Andy, so I’m not persuaded that what we’ve seen so far is indicative of what we might see today. He’s a big guy (thick), and 5 sets is harder on big guys (even Andy struggles in 5 setters with Djokovic). But, Stan shows up in finals, so it should be interesting.

I can never remember which conditions favor which players, so I always reread this article, which I think is well-done. https://fogmountaintennis.wordpress.com/2014/06/05/atmospheric/


Daniel Says:

FAst HC, Slam was losing first set to DelPo, Lost first set to Kei and was long second set. Key broke hi sevral times. Djoko B game is better than those both, so he has the upper hand.

Unless Stan serves above 70%, Djoko will be in every Sta serve game and the reverse is not true. Yeah, Stan may break eventually, but some games Djoko will hold easy because Stan is not a great consistent returner.

Djoko in 4.

If Stan wins the first set, than things more open, but if Djoko wins first set, can’t see him losing.


Dan Martin Says:

I’ve got my prediction up here – https://tennisabides.com/2016/09/11/us-open-2016-novak-djokovic-vs-stan-wawrinka-championship-prediction/

Most of their best matches have been in slams so my main prediction and hope is a great match.


Giles Says:

If there’s any justice in this world joker will lose today.


Khb Says:

FO Clay takes time away from Novak too because he usually doesn’t hit harder & more aggressively than Nadal there
he’s still fast and improved

us open is about court position. this was why novak got much better and fedal suffered big losses. look at fed’s weak era opponents. only stan improved.


Tennis Fan for Life Says:

If they get to play most parts, or critical parts of the Finals, with the roof open and if it is dry and hot day, in which case the ball will play faster, it will favor Djokovic. Like Murray and a couple others said, it plays slower under the roof, and if it is damp and under the roof, then Stan will have greater chance to win. Those things will be factors if everything else is equal. We will find out in a couple of hours. Most likely it will be a thriller, as is often the case between these two.


Daniel Says:

No rain forecasted during final. Roof open.


RZ Says:

Come on Stan!!! Nole already has 12 grand slams; I have 0 racquet bracket wins.


Van Persie Says:

Go Djoko!


Daniel Says:

Well, Djoko really wanted that point😜


Van Persie Says:

Yep, but missed the passing afterwards :(


Daniel Says:

And he breaks, that first point make the difference.


Van Persie Says:

3-0. Love the start :D


Van Persie Says:

Hope he will finish the match quick, have to work tomorrow.


Van Persie Says:

Wawa still did not calibrate his shots


Daniel Says:

Great hold by Wawa, still alive tis set. had he lost the BP ot would easily be 6-1 in less than half an hour


Daniel Says:

Djoko’s pace intense, mozing Wawa side to side. His serve doesn’t have much power and he is not going for aces but jeeping a high first serve percentage. 5-2


Daniel Says:

Djoko is in top form today, as seen before in finals. This could be an easy straight sets win. #13 is coming! 😜


Van Persie Says:

1 set not yet over, and I have the feeling ghe 2 set wkll be more ballanced.
But agree, Djoko is in top form so far


Daniel Says:

Wawa serving 2 set points. Second straight game he saved BP and so far Djoko untested. Serving for the set.


Daniel Says:

0-40, old paterns


Van Persie Says:

Well, Wawa has now 3 BPs


Daniel Says:

Damm Djoko, DF down BP. He should have won this set already and now putting Wawa back in the match.


Van Persie Says:

Wawa broke


Van Persie Says:

and TB it is


Daniel Says:

Tiebreak


Daniel Says:

What a point.


Van Persie Says:

Nice point won by Wawa


Van Persie Says:

Spectacular pass shot by Nole


Daniel Says:

This set worth the ticket.


BBB Says:

Wow, great points!


BBB Says:

I will admit I used to find Stan to be a bit of a baby, but he has really grown on me.


Van Persie Says:

Good TB for Nole, but ….he should have won the set long time ago. He complicated it


Daniel Says:

Relief! First set in the bag.


Van Persie Says:

BBB,

I hate Stan’s BH, when he plays Nole


Daniel Says:

Stan starting to make more of his signatures shots


BBB Says:

Djokovic has coughed up a break serving for the set in just about every match the last 18 months! Now I consider it normal.

VP, I could not believe the pace of the shots Stan hit at the FO last year. He is fearsome when he’s on.


Van Persie Says:

yep, BBB, he was on fire at RG 2015. Not nice memories for me :)


BBB Says:

I wanted Djoker to get the career slam, so I was distressed as well VP.

Stan’s defense is way better than I remember, or maybe he’s really improved it. I’m surprised he’s able to get to some of these balls.


Van Persie Says:

Damn Djoko, DF again


BBB Says:

I’m not sure why he’s going for so much when Stan’s return is nothing notable.


Daniel Says:

Awesome BH DTL to break, 3-1 Wawa.

Seems these two are destiny to have close Slam matches.


BBB Says:

This is the first time in awhile I’ve watched a Djokovic final and not been stressed. I think it’s a fun match.


Daniel Says:

0-40, Break back Djoko


Daniel Says:

Well, definetly Wawa is on now, saved three BP and heldnfor 4-1. Djoko missing way too many BP’s today, Wawa saved already 3 or 4 games facing BP


Van Persie Says:

Well, I also think now, this will be a long match :)


BBB Says:

He does this a lot though lately – not capitalizing on break points, not serving out sets the first time. He just finds ways to win anyway a lot of the time.


Daniel Says:

I saw this return at a USO before😜


BBB Says:

It’s more fun when he’s down match point, LOL.


Daniel Says:

Djoko breaks back. Now go on and hold


J-Kath Says:

VP: It’s a 5-setter. We’re all going to be as fresh as daisies tomorrow – like heck!


BBB Says:

The commentating is particularly inane today, alas.


Van Persie Says:

J-Kath,

Was smart on Friday. Told my back up colleague I might be late :). Realise now, I will be useless after a 5 setter


Van Persie Says:

BBB,

Glad that you can be relaxed. I can’t help myself to be agitated, when Nole plays.


Daniel Says:

Djoko, Djoko….15-30 4-5 down. Important pont


J-Kath Says:

VP

I think you caught a heavy flu??????????


Daniel Says:

What a point, FH DTL to set 2 set points.


BBB Says:

Crazy Djoker! Such a good serve and then he missed the groundie.


Van Persie Says:

1-1, :(

J-K, I was honest. Colleague knows, it is tennis related :)


BBB Says:

This is fantastic. What effort from these guys.


Van Persie Says:

super match


Daniel Says:

This is starting to look loke RG 15. Djoko was dominating first set than Wawa strat playing better. djoko won first and Wawa won second at the end of the set. Now 1-1 and Wawa start serving first third set


Daniel Says:

Another game goes by where Wawa saves BP. This could have easily be 2-0 Djoko


BBB Says:

Daniel, I thought Djokovic went away in the French, sort of taken aback by Stan’s level of play. I don’t see that here.


J-Kath Says:

VP:

Good lass…you could always sacrifice one day’s holiday if your Boss agrees.

It’s after 11pm here and I have early plumbers and joiners and deliveries arriving at the crack of dawn – too late to cancel. Never mind.


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

I am glad it is one set all. Some good play after a slow start. I don’t have much of a rooting interest in this match so may the best man win. For djokovic this could be a little bit of a revenge match. If he wins Stan can consider himself paid back for causing djokovic to lose the 2013 us open.


Daniel Says:

Wawa breaks again, second straight break. Djoko needs to stop the bleeding.


BBB Says:

Wow! Did not see that break coming.


Van Persie Says:

Does not look good at all for Djoko.


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

To me djokovic seems to be lacking his usual stamina.mhe is sucking air after a lot of the long rallies.


Daniel Says:

BBB,

He just lost serve again, losing 4 straight games so far, could be 5 in a few more points. RG repeat so
far


Daniel Says:

Also think hos returns today are too passive. He could go for more pn second serves. 12nd BP for Djoko


Daniel Says:

2-12 on BP today


Daniel Says:

Wawa is in the zone now. Impecable defense. Djoko was going for his shota with power and everything came back. 3-0


Van Persie Says:

everything goes in for Wawa. Incredible


BBB Says:

Daniel, there I agree – I think overall his shot are too passive. McEnroe thinks Djokovic is not hitting with more pace because he wants to wear Stan down. I haven’t checked, but Djokovic apparently annihilates Stan in the fifth set of any five-setter.

Djokovic had a bewildered look at the French. I don’t see that here. His serve isn’t up to snuff, which we expected.


Van Persie Says:

J-K,

It is past midnight for me. If Novak loses the 3 set, I might go to bed. Would be a shame to waste a day for mourning :)


sisay Says:

this is pure magic…how could Wada keep on doing this to hole. hole is wasting :-P from 40_0 and 40_15…just like French open 2015. I thought this hole was thougher than the old one…but same all…


J-Kath Says:

VP: Apologies, I thought you lived in the USA.

I actually got the 2 semi-finals right with no. of sets right. I forecast a 5-setter with Nole & Stan – and sorri I forecast a win for Stan (because I thought Nole was still not himself). Still time for Nole of course.


Daniel Says:

Uff, break back. Finally able to win a BP


Van Persie Says:

No worries JK,

Live in Germany and working for an automotive corporation :)


BBB Says:

Such good stuff. I’m glad to see Djoker hanging in.


Van Persie Says:

Me too, BBB . He’s back


BBB Says:

Yes VP. I was not worried (and won’t be even if he loses this match) because I think a letdown after winning the career slam and four in a row at the same time is totally normal.

His serve is still a bit off to me, but I imagine he’s still injured. Good thing it’s the last major of the year.


Daniel Says:

Just realize this is Djoko’s 13th hard coirt Slam final, surpassing Federer’s 12 and if he win he ties Fed with 9 HC Slam. Case for HC GOAT. If he wins and get one more USO for 4 and 10 the case is close ref HC GOAT.

Also if he defenda this title he would have defended at least once all 3 Slams: AO, Wimby and USO and next year he will have a chance to defend all in RG next year.

Also he can tie Fed with 3 Slams per year in 3 different year and 2 back to back, as Fed did in 06′-07′.

Not to mention 1 to tie Sanpras and Nadal, which he’ll tie for sure next year and possible surpassing next year as well.


Van Persie Says:

I get you, BBB. When thetournament started, I hoped for him to play at least quarterfinals. Now I am greedy :D


BBB Says:

There are no for sures, Daniel :) People were sure Nadal would catch Federer for example….

It doesn’t seem like Stan is moving quite as well at this point.


Daniel Says:

Love game to Djoko, time to break


BBB Says:

That drop shot was cruel.


Daniel Says:

BBB,

I wasn’t sure Nadal would catch and always said he overachieved due to his clay dominance. He jad a possiblity in 2014 and had Djko not lost that USO 13 he wouldn’t even be in contention and hos 2013 comeback would look a lot different but he did win tgat match and it postponed things a bit: Djoko’s dominance.


Daniel Says:

They are almost at 3 hours and still haven’t finish third set. longer favors Nole


BBB Says:

I think Djokovic can lose this set and still win. I don’t think the same is true for Stan. We shall see….


Van Persie Says:

Hope for a TB now


Daniel Says:

Agree, Stan would have to win this set and next. If it goes to a fifth eventually the hours on coirr will catch Stan. But also 4 hours plus match can linger one of Djoko’s injuries.


Daniel Says:

30-0 to 30-30. C’mon Djoko force a tiebreak


BBB Says:

Stan has already slowed down on defense.


Daniel Says:

Tense, 2 points away from losing third set.


Daniel Says:

Djoko’s first serve desertes him this last points


Van Persie Says:

2-1 for Wawa


BBB Says:

We shall see what happens now. VP, I’m so sorry! This is running so late.


Daniel Says:

Second straight set Wawa breaks to close. Djoko lacking some mental fortitude, this game was 30-0 he should just put first serve in.

And Wawa will serve first fourth set. more and more like RG 15 all over again.

Gosh, can’t believe Djoko will drop to 2-5 at USO losing to 4 different players.


Daniel Says:

They just showed BP’s convertion and that is the key today, Wawa is 5 out of 8 while Djokois 3 out of 16. He is not saving BP’s not break. And Instill think his return is passive today. Not a single return winner for him is just off.


J-Kath Says:

Yep. Goodnight VP and others. Is a tight match – but fans on both sides knew that. May your favourite win.


Van Persie Says:

hehe, BBB. Now hope for a 5 setter


BBB Says:

Daniel, my goodness this is not over!

VP, I would ask if you are drinking espresso or something alcoholic? LOL.


Daniel Says:

Never seen Wawa defend this well before, he is slicing and squash FH to just put the ball back in play and Djoko can’t kill the point later on. Very few winners overall.


BBB Says:

Ruh roh. Leg problems.


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

@Daniel djokovic has been passive overall today. His strategy seems to be,”I’m going to to d up and put as many balls in play as I can and if you can Maintain your consistency and legs congrats you win.”


BBB Says:

Hm… No trainer….


Van Persie Says:

I had a coffee earlier, BBB :)

I think it’s over.


Daniel Says:

3-0, Wawa’s match now! Wow, Wawa rally is Djoko’s nemesis in Slams, this is the sixth close match they play in a Slam.

Will see, let’s see if Djoko has another catlife in him, 3 more Wawa’s game for him to try to break, what he wasn’t successful whole day.

Had he won this match and #13, I would give him 50% chance of timing or surpassing Fed’s 17, but if he indeed loses and finishes the year with 12, he will be 5 Slams away and 1 more Slam (AO 17′) before he turns 30. He will basically have to win 4 Slams after 30.

At least Wawa at 32 winning 2 Slams after 30 gives hope for him and Murray to win a few more Slams in the future.


BBB Says:

It’s certainly not looking good.


Daniel Says:

DF, 30-40. Djoko needs this game, if he gets broken match over.


Daniel Says:

Almost cringe after this smash down BP


BBB Says:

Djokovic cramping. Holy smokes.


Van Persie Says:

Will congratulate the winner later today, when it is official.
Good night!


BBB Says:

Good night VP! All in all, good for Djoker for making it this far, I think, whatever happens here on out. And Stan is earning it if he wins.


Daniel Says:

And he held. Live to fight another game. Trainer on court.


BBB Says:

Ok, I love Djoker, but Stan has a legitimate beef here.


Kimberly Says:

horrible and typical,one of the reasons I have never liked this player.


rognadfan Says:

Oh no!, had something in the thigh (cramping it seemed) now calls trainer for toes. on other guys serve.
wow!
How Mat4 is watching this.


Daniel Says:

It not leg, its an ingrown toenail.

Wawa, as always, complaining to umpire, he thought Djoko should have asked the trainer after 3-0.

Djoko said he is sorry to Wawa because he couldn’t handle anymore.


rognadfan Says:

And pulls a ‘nice guy’ by saying sorry!. Perfect.


BBB Says:

Stan’s not mentally weak, so I would be surprised if he had a letdown here. I hope not.


BBB Says:

Daniel, I like Djoker a lot, but Stan had a right to complain.


Daniel Says:

What a BH cross court, ala Nalbandian. 30-30. If Doko breaks here Wawa will go crazy kkk


Daniel Says:

Agree BBB, but is something players do constantly, call trainer before opponent is about to serve.


Danica Says:

After this mto of Nole’s, I lost interes in this match. Or should I say, whether he loses or wins.


Daniel Says:

Missing an easy second serve return on BP. 2 more gone


chrisford1 Says:

Carnivore 1, Vegan 0.

He needs 14oz or so of animal protein a day to promote healing.

And aside from that and the wrist/shoulder, and lack of a Top 10 level serve, Stan played very well today and the meme of Stan as the regular nemesis of Djokovic in big matches is born.


rognadfan Says:

Cheated a little bit of time and now is moving like a breeeze


BBB Says:

I’m glad Stan held.


Daniel Says:

Wawa held, 4-1

2 more chances to break back by Djoko, not looking good at all.

Wawa soon to keep his perfect 3-0 in Slam Finals and who would have thought next year he will go for a Career Slam at Wimbledon.


BBB Says:

I wouldn’t care if he’d taken the MTO before his own serve.


Daniel Says:

And he saved MP this year also.


Danica Says:

Daniel,
Novak did ask after his serve “can i have it now?” The umpire approved. And it is within the rules, and he did say he couldn’s stand on his feet, and the trainer could have refused like in Evans match, but still…

This will be Stan’s win totally deservedly.


Daniel Says:

Tennis God’s with Wawa


Daniel Says:

Also Djoko will keep his track of losing at least 1 Slam final every year since 2011. Lost in 12′, 13′, 14′, 15′ and now 16′.

One thing is sure, he will lose another Slam final next year, question is to who?

Wawa 5-2, worst case will serve for the match. Djoko serving to stay alive.


Danica Says:

BBB,
i am also glad Wawa held that serve.

5:2
This is over.
Congrats to Emily and all the Wawa fans out there.


Daniel Says:

Yeah Danica, that’s why I said it wasn’t a big deal. his toe is bleeding now. Bad luck, they all play with some hurting in feet, you just don’t wish for one to blow during a Slam final.


Daniel Says:

Djoko, at least hold and force Wawa to serve, don’t lose like set 2 and 3 where you were broken to lose sets


Milos Says:

Djoko is limping :-( Is it possible that with millions of $$$ tennis pros can’t have more comfortable shoes?


Daniel Says:

This is IT!


Daniel Says:

MP, can Djoko save another MP in USO against a Swiss?!


BBB Says:

Ok, the turnaround in my views of Stan is complete. Classy guy.


Milos Says:

Good match, congrats to Wafa fans :-) Djoko was hanging in there, but poor break points conversion and obvious physical issues :-(


Danica Says:

BRAVO Wawa!!!
DESERVED!
Now on to Wimbledon next year :)


Daniel Says:

Congrats Wawa!!! Wow, truly Djoko nemesis, 3 straight years beating Djoko in Slams.

Just like RG 15, 3-1 after losing first serve. And again Wawa overcoming Djoko in mental department.

Thought Wawa was going his way down this year and now this. He looks the fresher of the two and 3 different Slams, What an achievement!!

Too bad for Djoko, dropping to 2-5 in USO finals. Something in NY just prevents him from playing his best in finals.

Fed says thank you Stan! Not looking like 17 will be reached now. And another Fed record will stand the test of time,2 straight year winning 3 Slams per year and still the only one with 3 years winning 3. Djoko can revert that next year, but with aging catching up will have to see.

AO 17′ is his bastion, if he loses there, 3 straight Slams without a title than question will start to arise.


skeezer Says:

What? Stan the man?
You da man, congrats!
#swissed


RZ Says:

STAN THE MAN!!! Crazy to think that if he could manage to win Wimbledon, he’ll have a career slam. Although I don’t see that happening only because Yonex can’t give him an ugly outfit when all-white is required there.


Danica Says:

As for Nole, regarding the fact he was debating whether to take part in the tournament at all, this is major success.

#1 at the end of the year secured almost 100%.


Emily Says:

Wow, I can’t even. I’m so excited, Stan, you’ve proved so many people wrong and I’m so proud to be your fan. Hopefully, some people will join me in the Stan camp


Wog Boy Says:

Congrats to Stan, worthy winner.

Congrats to Nole for making final, you can’t win them all, can you?:)


Wog Boy Says:

I guess, Stan is currently the best player in the world?


vami Says:

A better player today won. Stan deserved his nickname.


AndyMira Says:

Congrats to Stan and his fan especially Emily and others..Stan,one of the great player that totally deserves more slams tally to his name..

And deep condolences from the bottom of my heart to Novak and ALL his loyal fans especially VP,Dani,Jane,BBB,WB,CF1,daniel[just to name a few because there's so many of you]..

PS..Thanks to Daniel,VP,BBB who reporting it live..I can’t watch the match so your reports was very much appreciated..


Emily Says:

Whatever happened, these two always provide a great trophy presentation. Stan was more emotional than I expected and that finals streak continues.

Stan said his goal this year was to make the WTF, not to win a slam. I think this means so much because it was so unexpected. Congrats to Novak’s fans, he deserves the #1 ranking, but this was Stan’s night. Love seeing all the support here


Flyer Says:

Great win for Stan – played with heart all tournament – nice to see him win this one.

Congrats – no question Stan proved to be THE Man today……


Genscrh Says:

Good job Wowrinka for stopping this drama faker….He deserves to hold runnerup trophy.. thats where he belongs to… So happy! WOW…WOW..WOW


Genscrh Says:

Wowrinka should have won french semi against Murray.. Murray is pretty useless , giving up all the AO slam finals and everywhere to joker to make him look like a goat candidate…


Markus Says:

Just want to give a thumbs up to RZ for the “ugly outfit” at 8:25pm. :-)


Stan the man Says:

Stan was the most deserved winner. Djokovic’s MTO for cramps was disgraceful.


Okiegal Says:

Condolences to all of the faithful Novak fans..,,no Wog Boy, you can’t win them all. I am sure there are some Stan fans on here, just can’t call them by name……BIG CONGRATS TO YOU AND YOUR GUY! He had a great tournament and beat the number one player in the world. I hope he remains in top form for the rest of th season…..he looked awesome tonight and that beautiful backhand was working for him. I guess it’s a Swiss thing……lol

I am still on vacation…..atm I am in a hotel room in Williamsburg, Va. Toured the oldest settlement in our nation…..Jamestown…..settled around 1607. This was a reproduction of the fort but we are going to tour the ruins of the original site tomorrow….very interesting…….Washington DC on Wednesday….having a great time. I may have to rob a bank before I get back to Oklahoma…..spending my son’s inheritance !! Lol. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸


mat4 Says:

Sincere congratulations to Stan and all Stan’s fans.

On the other side, let’s hope my Nole fans are not too sad. It was a great year so far, and just let’s hope Novak recovers soon, without much problems. He made a great result making the final and playing that well under duress. Pain killers helped, but not enough for him to serve the way he usually does.

You can’t always win, but you always have to fight.


Emily Says:

@Okiegal, I’ve been the resident Stan fan (haven’t been posting much), but I hope there are more out there


Markus Says:

Interesting US Open. When will the “new” faces show up? Will they next year?


Markus Says:

Interesting US Open. When will the “new” faces show up? Will they next year?


Vince Says:

Hahaha…Super wawrinka…Nole doesn’t deserve this after 3 retirements…


Humble Rafa Says:

Congratulation to the Best Backhand in Switzerland. It is sad that the country does not adequately honor his contributions.

Like all of his clothes, the US Open outfit will also be available for fans. Please buy them for people you don’t like. If you combine this with the FO shorts…


Vince Says:

Those trainer tricks will work against Murray who is very weak mentally….


Khb Says:

Stan clearly makes Fed look bad. He’s as good as Murray in slams.
Stan’s underappreciated like Novak.

Fed the sycophant, the kissed boy, thought his insults & lies
about the greatest player Djoker weren’t heard in press interviews.
At least Novak beats Nadal…
Fed is the choker with joke Slams after facing that
stupid, law breaking, violent thug Roddick in qfs/semis/finals.
Fed needs to beat a non choking Cilic & Raonic to be second best player!

The only thirty-something Slam champ that is honest & respected from
the pathetic 2003-2006 era is Stan. Not the badmouthing, venomous Fed!
Stan is Novak’s friend. Fed is a fake GOAT; faking injuries to avoid losing 5 straight matches vs. Novak.
Novak is #1 despite injury.
Hopefully, he concentrates on fitness & stops worrying about what reporters say.
Keep crying, fake Stan fanboy.
You know your toy to hide behind, Stan, needed to win.
Oherwise, Fed would ignore Davis Cup again.
He only got love from Fed when Stan finally won Davis Cup matches.
Novak’s injury was due to many years of entertaining #1 tennis.


Humble Rafa Says:

No new faces for a while. Game has changed, you can play well into your mid 30s, which means that it will take longer for the other guys to break through. At some point, No Faceovic will break out. Look out for my boy Timmy.

Kerber is 28. Best Backhand in Switzerland is 32.


Nithish Says:

Congrats to Stan on winning his 3rd Grand Slam.


Vince Says:

Joker Faker is made look like a goat candidate by very weak mental Murray by giving up many finals… His #12 slams are so pathetic…


Vince Says:

12 – 9 ratio in slam finals look good.. Nole, please make 12-12 so it stamps you where you belong.. Holding up runner up trophy..


Markus Says:

At the rate these oldies are going, the “new” faces won’t win slams until they are in the 30s themselves.


Khb Says:

Fake tennis fan, your heroes lost most tourneys before semis.
How many trophies were won?
Hope that helps.
Back in 2004, slow, fat or terrible washed up players prayed for mercy.
no one was consistent. It was embarrassing.


Vince Says:

What an injury drama…Toe, Ankle, Left Wrist or Right wrist..or forgot to wear his lens….Pathetic..


Emily Says:

I don’t know what was going on with the MTO, but I was a little surprised considering that Novak is friends with Stan. I know he apologized, but I think Stan knew he had to focus on himself. He let Rafa’s MTO unsettle him in Australia, but not this time.

Glad to be done with listening to JMac’s commentary, he’s had some real missteps this tournament. Maybe they should tell him to study or not attack players who are legit injured or playing against one of his favorites. Interesting that it was really only Jason Goodall who gave Stan a chance, and maybe now he’ll get his proper due.


Genscrh Says:

Nole is known for being dramatic to distract the opponents.. Nothing new.. It would have been horrible winning slam just playing 3 and half matches.


chrisford1 Says:

Vince – “12 – 9 ratio in slam finals look good.. Nole, please make 12-12 so it stamps you where you belong.. Holding up runner up trophy..”

Yeah, Vincent, because everyone knows that having the equivalent of 12 golds and 0 silvers is somehow better than 12 golds and 12 silvers due the the ratio of Ws to RUPs.

(Smacks forehead at the enduring stupidity of some Novak hating Fedal fans!!*)


Genscrh Says:

Haha…Nole fans talking about Gold/Silver medals….


Vince Says:

Lol…Nole has so many bronze medals too…Including one at 2008 olympics.


jane Says:

congrats to stan. he played well. and now he’s one slam from the career slam – just needs wimbledon. wow. he had a tough path too.

hope novak recharges and feels better. amazing he even reached the final. but all in all, he finished the career slam, won 2 slams this year, held all 4 at once, reached the finals of another. overall, i am a happy fan. idemo!! hugs novak fans.


ulysses02 Says:

Congrats to Canadian junior Felix Auger Aliassime as well, just turned 16 crushed 17yo Miomir in junior final after defeating Tsitsipas (probably the most highly talented 16-18 yo currently). Proud day for Canadians.


RZ Says:

@Emily – congrats on your guy winning! I’m with you with JMac’s commentary. Can’t stand it. I think I’m going to download Periscope and listen to Andy Roddick next time. BTW, please forgive this stupid question but is Stan’s nose always that pink? It almost matched his shirt.


Markus Says:

Didn’t Djokovic lose the 2008 Olympic bronze medal to del Potro?


Wog Boy Says:

Genscrh, Vince, Markus…same one, not really hard to figure it out…right Sean?


Emily Says:

@RZ, yeah, Stan’s nose is always that color. There are Swiss cartoons of him with that red nose. He used to put sunblock on it, but I guess now he just accepts it.


Vince Says:

Sean, all his non-existent injuries are same or different?


jane Says:

ulysses02 – yes! congrats to felix. that’s 2 different canadian juniors champs this year. our tennis future looking good, i hope. :)


Wog Boy Says:

Thanks for confirming how stupid you are.. Vince..Genscrh..Markus..


Markus Says:

I may be stupid but that’s ok, because you are even more stupid, Wog Boy. Propesterous full that you are. Vince and Genscrh are probably laughing their heads off on you desperate attempt to sound smart. We don’t know each other from Adam. Well, anyway, smart guy Wog Boy. Djokovic lost to Wawrinka, again! That’s good enough for me. Happy!


Markus Says:

Djokovic still lost even though he tried desperately to cheat. Then he pretended to be a nice guy at the ceremony. What a hypocrite your idol is. Thank God for fulls like you who continue to be fooled by your boy.


Markus Says:

fulls= fools, but you know that Wog Boy because that’s you!


Daniel Says:

Since Wawa won his first Slam in AO 2014, Djoko won 6, Wawa 3, Nadal 1 and Murray 1, Fed 0.

Nadal hasn’t won any in last 10 and as Murray just won Wimbledon, seems fare that the ones fighting for Slams with Djoko next year will be Wawa and Murray, and they as top 3 should be favorites for AO, Djoko on top of course. With slower conditions, the big serves and Kei won’t be much of a factor. One of these 3 will win AO 17′, long 4 months from now.

Djoko has to set his goals step b step now. This year the spam from Wimby to USO with Olympics and Cincinnati was overall awful for him with no title of tese 4. Everyone of these titles that he could get would enhance his resume but he faltered in all due to bad timing injuries.

Now he has to play for in 2016:

1- Consolidating #1 this year and tiring Fede with 5 year end #1
2- WTF to tie Fed with 6 as co-record holder
3 – Increasing his Masters and toal titles.

For 2017
1 – Get at least 2 Slams and tie Sampras and Nadal at 14. He is not timing Fed next year so he needs to focus on what is achievable. Anything beyond 2 Slams would be bonus.
2 – Second RG and he gets double career Slam
3 – Keep #1 ranking to surpass Fed’s 5 and tie Sampras as co-record holder at 6
4 – Increase his total weeks as #1, probably becoming third or second next year behind only Federer
5 – Win another WTF and be record holder
6 – Increase Masters and total titles

All this are achievable. He missed some important tourneys in summer but after the 4 in a row and RG, it took something out of it. He has time to recharge.


Wog Boy Says:

To late, you are outed, next time try harder..Vince…Genchrs…Markus


ertorque Says:

How interesting tennis match up is. It’s 3-0 in GS finals against Novak and even Roger the great could not boast of such credentials.
And hey Wawrinka is only one of two players with a single handed backhand to have won a GS in the last what 15 years. So will he set a trend for young players to play with single backhand?


Giles Says:

Just heard the great news. Delighted, ecstatic, over the moon and all the expressions that describe how very happy I am that faker lost. Soooooo happpppppy!!! ROFL
So there is justice in this world, good to know.
Now maybe these joker clowns will shut up for a bit.


Wog Boy Says:

Did somebody mentioned that Stan is the first man after Agassi to win two GS after turning thirty?


mat4 Says:

It’s not 3-0 in GS finals against Novak, only 2-0. But at the same time, it’s 5-3 in slams for Novak.

So, let’s not start creating a myth where there is none.


Vince Says:

Poor wawrinka didn’t retire to make cheater as champion


Emily Says:

It is actually now 4-3 in slams for Novak and it’s not a myth that Stan has had to beat the #1 in every Slam final


mat4 Says:

@rognadfan:

You seem to be somebody that wrote here under another nom de plume. If it is the case, I would like to know who.

Anyway, you obviously didn’t watch the match closely, so you look like an idiot: Novak was bleeding, so he certainly didn’t fake that MTO. That’s why Wawrinka was angry — he was allowed to continue despite these injuries.

Anybody who knows tennis and saw Djokovic serving knew that he was injured. Nevertheless, he didn’t utter a single word about it.


Danica Says:

Re: bronze medal. Nole won it in 2008 beating Blake. DelPo was 4 yrs later.

Interesting how some low life show their ugly heads each time Nole loses. What pathetic existance!


rognadfan Says:

@Mat4,
Oh ya, I expected something exactly like what posted there. The whole world saw what happened. His toe was probably bothering him but he was cramping. Cramping is what he needed rest for. Not the toe.
Again, anyone who knows and plays tennis clearly know what Novak did today.

And BTW, go back and read a post in the other article, for a short refresher on what Novak did to beat Monfils at 2005. Good think for you, I didn’t watch that match and was not aware of the incident.


rognadfan Says:

http://www.espn.com/sports/tennis/usopen05/news/story?id=2147241
Here is a short recap of that 2005 match

And don’t lie to yourself anymore


ulysses02 Says:

It’s impossible to overemphasize how important Stan is for tennis. He and Magnus Norman continue to prove that there’s more than one way to attain greatness in tennis. In an era of winner-takes-all-the confidence (I estimate Fed in his prime was like 4/5 confidence 1/5 god), it’s easy to be like Roddick and view beating someone as the mountain to climb, which can be a draining, overwhelming mistake.

Norman and Wawa see a better way for the highly-talented but mere mortals. That is, embracing inconsistency as simply a process of trial and error, but never letting a mistake (AO2013 4th Round) go to waste (i.e. never dismissing a great performance as a fluke, but embracing it as the normal result with enough trials regardless of whom opponent is). Stan could have easily faded away after AO2013, as so many have after great performances vs the top-4. But rather than fading, he’s simply looked at his subsequent dips as normal, whilst never doubting that the inner beast can come alive at any time.


chrisford1 Says:

Daniel, nice perspective. Djokovic has had a better year than anyone, will finish #1. Probably would have traded his AO title or 2 Masters to Andy for the gold medal. But that was done as a dream by the worst possible Draw selection he could have gotten,

I said it when Rafa was threatening it and say it now with Djokovic – Slamcount!! breaks down when you look at the competition Rafa had, then Nole when his time started, compared to Rogers glory days 2004-07 when he was Gulliver amidst the Lilliputians. Te absolute number of Slams will be a factor in looking at who was the best of their eras and beyond, but will only be 1 thing people will weigh. Not the sine qua non that Fed-Yurds proclaim it as.


jane Says:

jeez daniel, you’re so demanding! ;)

(but i’d like it if novak wins cincy next year, while he’s at it…)


Van Persie Says:

Jane,

I am now more demanding then Daniel. I hope, Novak will respect the pattern and win the next 4 slams after being defeated by Wawa at a GS final ;) Hehe, just kidding, not that I would not be happy about :P


J-Kath Says:

Emily

I had Stan down for the win – he did it in 4 sets (not 5 which I thought). I have always liked Stan throughout terrible attire and excellent play. He may not be the majority of fans favourite but he is valued and respected by fans and players alike.

Nole: It was never going to be Nole’s GS. He can get thru 3-setters playing his B-game but not GS’s at the moment. His fans don’t need anyone’s sympathy – he is still no. 1 and he’ll probably win the O2 to complete his year.


J-Kath Says:

VP

Looks to me that you stayed up – you’ll need matchsticks for your eyes this morning. Keep smiling.


Van Persie Says:

J-Kath,

My eyelids are so heavy :D

P.S. Congrats for picking Stan. Though Nr. of sets was not correct ;)


mat4 Says:

@rognadfan:

That he was cramping is your unfounded opinion. That he tore off two toenails has been confirmed. That he was bleeding is proven too. Wawrinka thought that the match had to be stopped, but the rulebook says otherwise.

Opinion is not knowledge, especially your biased opinion, fuelled by hate.

I don’t need to read articles to refresh my memory about what happened in 2005. It’s mainly what a jerk like Monfils believes happened. Djokovic took a few MTO because he had problems breathing in the humidity, something that is quite understandable. Then, what happened in 2005, 12 years ago, is barely relevant right now.

If you want to argue with factual arguments, I’ll be happy to answer. But obviously you don’t want. Leave me alone from now on, and I’ll be more than happy to ignore your posts.


J-Kath Says:

There is some rule re. playing with an existing physical problem – evidently you are not supposed to do it. And if you do play you are not allowed a break to ease it!!! The wee Dan Evans (UK)in one of his US Open games was not allowed a break to attend to a previous foot injury that started to give him trouble.

Maybe one of the well-read, knowledgeable fans can comment?


mat4 Says:

@J-Kath:

I read the rules about bleeding before answering.


rognadfan Says:

@Mat4
Great!.Now you started being political.And please keep your hypocrisy with you.
Yes he never mentioned he was cramping. Why? because that won’t give him MTO. I am guessing that when playing tennis, you, like Novak, also grab your thigh in distress, when you have your toe hurting.
Obviously, you don’t want to open your eyes.
I never had any intention to go after you, you came after with your heavily preoccupied view that Novak is incapable of doing such unsportsmanlike things. You pretending to not see doesn’t make Djoker totally honest. I am don’t even have that much problem with what he does, or he did on the court. Because, many others do it, like I have said all along. Where I have problem is that people like you closing your eyes and defending him like he has never even come close to crossing that boundary. In fact he has done is many times; again like many others.
And that is not an opinion, its a fact.
I have been trying to ignore you right from the beginning. I am only writing because I know it’s not your ignorance but your preoccupied mind that pushing this issue this far. I hope it remains blissful for you!


Daniel Says:

Jane,

Actually part of the 2016 is very doable for Novak: #1 is locked unless he misses 2-3 tourneys and Murray wins 2 of these and still it will be decides in London where Djoko os going to title #6 and Murray never made a final.

So unless Djoko doesn’t play he basically gest #1.

Winning more titles and 1 more Masters is achievable as well. He dominates Asia, he will play 4 more tourneys: Beijing, Shangai, Paris and London. Fare that he wins 2, minimum 1. Would be very shocked if he wins 0.

And he will be favorte for WTF as long as he is healthy.

So let’s say Beijing and WTF and he crowns abother stelar year with 2 Slams, 9 titles, WTF #6 (record tied with Fed), year end #1 for 5th time and another tear holding the #1 rabking every week, guarantee to go 200+.


mat4 Says:

@rognadfan

Here, the only hypocrite is you. And you’re full of nonsense.

“Yes he never mentioned he was cramping.”

Fact.

“Why? because that won’t give him MTO. I am guessing”

You’re right. You are guessing. On the other side, his toes were bleeding. Address the facts, not your dreams.

“Obviously, you don’t want to open your eyes.”

Had you opened your eyes, you would have seen that he was bleeding. Did he get a massage? Help for the tight?

“I never had any intention to go after you,”

Did you have an intention to go after somebody else? So you came on this blog with such an intention?

“you came after with your heavily preoccupied view that Novak is incapable of doing such unsportsmanlike things.”

What “unsportsmanlike things”? What did he do? I would be very happy if, when leading 2-1 and 3-1 my opponents had to take an MTO, which was obviously necessary.

“You pretending to not see doesn’t make Djoker totally honest.”

You making thing up doesn’t make the Djoker dishonest.

“I am don’t even have that much problem with what he does, or he did on the court [...] In fact he has done is many times; again like many others. And that is not an opinion, its a fact.”

If you don’t have a problem, why mentioning it? If everybody does it, why singling Djokovic? Why inventing that he did it yesterday, when it doesn’t matter, everybody does it, and you don’t mind?

So, what’s your problem with Djokovic?


Travis Bickle Says:

“So, what’s your problem with Djokovic?”

@mat4,

Asking someone with nickname “RogNadFan” that question is bit unnecessary, don’t you think…

For starters, “Rog” could have had at least 3 more slams (W 14 & 15, and USO 15), and “Nad” could have had 3 extra slams just in 2011 alone, which would have given him the Calendar Year Grand Slam.

So if you are a weak individual, these developments would live an enduring mark on your psyche, resulting in irrational hate towards the guy who “did it”, in this case Novak.
That was also manifested by “rognadfan” being absent from here when Novak is winning and only showing up to celebrate his loses and accuse him of “lack of sportsmanship”…

Pretty self-explanatory actually!


rognadfan Says:

No matter how much deny it. He did it yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6OnfyVbaAM

Just go to 33.25 and watch. And tell me if I invented it. He was cramping or not. But I am sure you still won’t see if he abused the rule to get a rest for his cramping leg.

My my main point there was why make a big deal of Monfils using his tactics, when even Djoker does it. You could not bear that.
I don’t have problem with Djokovic himself but the blinded fans like you. You were the one came after my very first post when I said, let’s not make a big deal out of Monfils drama coz Novak does it too, Andy does it several others do it.
Now you are picking on the term “everybody” just to divert the argument. Great job.
But Your last argument is like ‘My boy is a thief but why pick on him, many other are thieves too”. And this came after constantly singing that “Djokovic is the epitome of sportsmanship”….yeah right!.


Khb Says:

Fed cursed at & ridiculed his opponents and then played the sweet innocent do-gooder and blamed the press for his evil image.
He definitely couldn’t get a bandage for his sore loser status!
You’re no Stan fan.
You think you distract everyone to make Fed look heroic? Lmao
He was no friend to Stan. He believed Stan would never win Davis Cup matches but of course he cried like a little boy after Stan won Olympics doubles gold & Davis Cup.
Stan is a rightfully Djoker fan. He was tired of fed’s belittling of him. Mirka is equally fake. He is no fan of hers.
Everyone knows Fed’s arrogance & greed for adulation.
Stan was sick of the reporters’ harping about Fed when Stan was the one winning French Open Semi.


rognadfan Says:

This shows how pathetic your tennis love is. Somebody points out the on-court drama your boy pulls off to distract the opponent (if you are still denying it go watch shanghai match against Del potro, AO final against Andy and others I won’t bother mentioning) every now and then and you are mad as hell; throwing personal attacks and insults all around.
You have no right to throw personal insult on anyone.
The problem is that you seem to be so jealous with Fed that you hate anything associated with his name. And the guy is not even playing; and is probably done playing tennis as a pro.

I don’t hate the guy like you do. You seem to be completely distressed by the fact that Novak will never get to where Nadal and Federer reached in terms of making tennis the global sport it is today. That is because everything in tennis lives on the court when everyone is watching the players. And when the audience knows that you are not being 100% honest at the court in each and every game, you lose their respect. Now you can’t stand that and feel obligated to insult each and everyone who says so.
Fed may be arrogant, nadal may play too polite but one thing is certain that they never did any sort of thing to distract the opponent on the court.
A common tennis audience sees just that. Hell Novak may get 20 grand slam titles (And it is still not improbable) and be called by the world as the greatest tennis player ever to hold the racket, but even that day fans like you will be feeling inferior and will be posting such hateful posts.


Margot Says:

This argument goes round and round. Most players use gamesmanship to some degree, but, human nature being what it is, we will defend our own favourite’s wee “foibles” to the nth degree, while wanting hanging introduced for players we don’t like who might cough at an in/opportune moment…..
Up to the ref to enforce the rules but rules seem to be a moveable feast, which doesn’t help matters at all.


Van Persie Says:

Did not wanted to get into this subject, but sometimes rules have to be broken. Johanna was really in shock due to the heat.

http://www.eurosport.com/tennis/us-open/2016/jo-kontas-distress-was-clear-but-22-minute-break-highlights-glaring-problem-in-tennis_sto5814312/story.shtml


Van Persie Says:

P.S. Johanna won that match against Pironkova


Van Persie Says:

And according to rognadfan, it will be fair, if Pironkova would behave like a monkey in an eventual next match against Konta., coz she should not forget the MTO thing.


ulysses02 Says:

Van Persie,

No — rules are there to avoid bias. It’s unfortunate since Johanna was obviously truly distressed so the question there is not a matter of heroics/will to win. It’s about officiating and in all cases as these, allowing a player to continue is both unsafe and poor officiating (not sure but I hope those umpires carry insurance because if a player dies on the court, lawyers will come for whoever they can). From Konta’s perspective, she’s thinking she just needs to survive this and if she does, she won’t let the opportunity go to waste. Therefore, she feels justified, rightly so.

The problem is from the other woman’s perspective, it’s highly improbable that after 22 minutes of delay, your intensity/rhythm isn’t affected, particularly as Pironkova’s not the most experienced grand slam player. Sometimes, it’s a debilitating injury and the other guy just can’t get over the top. But anyone recall Coria vs Gaudio 2004 French Open final? Even there, when Coria was done for with cramps/twisted ankle/nerves/shock/plague etc etc, Gaudio, a pro player in good form, almost lost. The rules are there precisely to avoid bias and make things fair. So add to that a 22 minute break.

On another note, what do you mean by “behaving like a monkey” exactly? I mean, Monfils tanked at moments in the match of course in an utterly failed rope-a-dope strategy, but surely you’re mature enough to understand that ugly connotations have no place in a very frank discussion about gamesmanship and whether or not it should be tolerated. That’s an undeserving slight of a remark on a blog of this caliber that’s existed for a very long time.


Van Persie Says:

ulysses02,

Rognadafan explained, that Monfiche’s behavior was justified, because he thought, Novak did something similar in 2005, a decade ago, by using the MTO’s for distraction….was a “monkey sees, monkey does” thing from Gael. I only used a “metaphor”.


Wog Boy Says:

VP,

All good points, Pironkova should have won that match simply by default, Konta cheated.

ulysses02,

Do you really need 2km post for something that you can say in one or two (at most) sentences?


Khb Says:

Fed is fake on & off court.
He wished for Novak to receive misfortunes & media insults for “being cowardly and fake”.
Nobody insults anyone quite like Fed.
He curses at the top players and even insulted his Davis Cup teammate.

Fed was #2 before murray won Wimbledon.
Yeah, he’s done playing. Lol at these fed fanatics.
He said he was too old to play Novak at Year End championship but he had no trouble playing Davis Cup and Slams.
How fake Fed and his freaks are!


Okiegal Says:

@rognadf 1:00 9/12/16

I had never seen that link before. Was not into tennis that year like I am now. Wow, that was OTT but it was allowed. Maybe Gael’s mind wondered back to that match and thinks it’s payback time! Lol I say that in jest. Some seem to think he was out of line. Don’t know what his motives where other than to try to win the match by hook or by crook. They have all used gamesmanship to their advantage, nothing new on that issue!

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