ATP Finals Groups: Novak Djokovic = Easy, Andy Murray = Not So Easy
by Staff | November 7th, 2016, 10:59 am
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The ATP has just released the groupings for the upcoming Finals event in London which begins on Sunday.

Here are the groups:
John McEnroe Group
Andy Murray
Stan Wawrinka
Kei Nishikori
Marin Cilic

Ivan Lendl Group
Novak Djokovic
Milos Raonic
Gael Monfils
Dominic Thiem

Murray is drawn with two US Open champions plus a US Open finalist. And the other three in his group have played the event before.

Meanwhile, 4-time defending champion Djokovic is the only Grand Slam winner in his group and the only player to have ever won a match at the event, with both Monfils and Theim making their debuts this year. Plus, Djokovic has a perfect record against all three opponents at 23-0 (7-0 v Raonic, 13-0 v Monfils, 3-0 v Thiem). And Raonic is ailing with a quad injury while Monfils is also coming off an injury.

Djokovic, the only player in the field to have reached the final at the event, is seeking a 5th straight ATP Finals titles, 6th overall.

A subplot to the event is the No. 1 race with the winner of the event if it’s either Djokovic or Murray likely taking the No. 1 ranking.

The opening day Sunday schedule features Djokovic-Thiem then in the evening Monfils-Raonic.

On Monday it’s Wawrinka-Nishikori then at night Murray-Cilic.


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100 Comments for ATP Finals Groups: Novak Djokovic = Easy, Andy Murray = Not So Easy

RZ Says:

My predictions on who goes to the semis (not necessarily in order): Murray, Cilic, Djokovic, Monfils.

Stan could play spoiler since you never know what to expect from him but I Cilic has been playing well.


J-Kath Says:

Yep – Agree Andy has the tougher half.


Margot Says:

Yuck!
RZ: Cilic played rubbish against Isner.


FedExpress Says:

hahahhahahahahah. Noles group is a bigger joke than his run to the final at the us open


Khb Says:

Your Fed is out of the top 10 in the “weakest era”!
Imagine if Roddick had a brain.
Fed would be losing 2006 Masters Cup, 2004 Wimbledon, 2006 Us Open, 2007 Us Open, 2009 Wimbledon, 2010 Aussie Open & 2012 Wimbledon.
Don’t be so sure that Novak won’t win at least 5 more Slams plus 6 more year End Atp Finals!


Willow Says:

KHB Do you have a thing for Roddick, everytime you post you mention the guy, even though he retired years ago now ?? ….


Markus Says:

Hi Willow. I have been out of the loop for a while. I have become vile because of some insufferable posters. I stepped out to cleanse. Hahaha! I realized that the worst thing to do and what they crave for the most is to pay them any attention.


Farah Diba Says:

First of all,i want to echo fedEx laugh..He he he he..Ivan Lendl’s group…ALL of them is not so fit player which of course will benefited hugely to Novak..

While Andy,if he still came out victorious on top of his group,will mark his dominant form even further with his tough draw..

C’MON ANDY!!I HAVE FAITH IN YOU!!


RZ Says:

@Margot, maybe, but in the last 4-5 months overall Cilic’s game has been on.


chrisford1 Says:

I wish Rafa was in shape to compete, I wish JMDP was ranked high enough to be back at the Championships.

I wish the emaciated Djokovic would add 5 kilos.
And see if Raonic and Kei can play 3 matches in a row without withdrawing with injury.

My “dark horse” is Gael Monfils.
I favor Andy over Novak in a Final.


Willow Says:

Hi Markus missed your posts, ive come to realize that theres sometimes no reasoning with some people, you make an observation about something or someone, and another poster personally insults you, i just wonder whatever happened to people been allowed to have an opinion, and why cant people disagree without feeling the need to resort to personal insults ? ….


J-Kath Says:

Farah: Just hope Andy’s legs are equal to your faith.

PS: I also think Milos will withdraw and Tomas will take his place. There’s also a question on Gael’s current health.


Farah Diba Says:

JK…All i can say is Insyallah!After that,all we have to think is only the positive thing..And there’s so many of them regarding Andy atm..such as the fact that he’s in the zone..When the player is in this state,fatigue and other thing is the least on their mind..You know,like when you’re swamped by adrenaline,you can’t even feel the pain..And winning Paris already gave him big boost and confidence..And,don’t forget he’s got a week to rest..That’s enough..Besides when you win so much,no matter how tired you’re body are,you’re mental is not..It’s fresh as a daisy..and that’s the most important thing.


Willow Says:

I Think this years WTFs is probably the most open it has been in years,had Novak won Paris i think he wouldve been the hands down favorite, i think he has the easier group given that Stan and Cilic have beaten him recently, and i think he would sleep easier with them been in the same group as Andy, having said that Novak didnt win a title in the fall, where he is usually invincible, pretty much like Rafa used to be in the CC season, and we had an unconventional CC, and weve had an unconventional fall, others player with probably have more confidence against him now, which is great for the game, my two cents ….


FedExpress Says:

nole vs

raonic 7-0
monfils 13-0
thiem 3-0

and some are telling me that this group is not a joke.

all players in other group have at least one win.

and above all that all injured/tired


Willow Says:

FE Thats true, but the way Novaks played lately, even those players that are normally his pigeons, could have a renewed confidence against him, just speculating ….


lakie Says:

I thought the draw was done randomly in the #1 and #2′s group just as it is in other tournaments. But looks like they put all odd seeds in no # 1′s group and all even ones in #2s. Is this how it was done in the past? Or is this the first time? But certainly this draw favors Novak and seems, as FedExpress pointed out, to be a real joke. This gives Novak a great opportunity to make the final even if injured ( just as it did at USO) and make the battle for # 1 a real cliffhanger.


Van Persie Says:

Looks like ATP needs Djoko in that final after all, in order to get the audience for the Nr. 1 battle(?)… They are trying to push him in the final, that’s my feeling. I still would not be surprised, if he did not make it there, with his lack of interest and bad shape…only my opinion…


Van Persie Says:

Now that he told, he lost interest, he get this cupcake draw…


Willow Says:

I Very much doubt he would be playing, if he wasnt in it to win it, if your not interested then dont play, and give the spot to somebody else ….


Van Persie Says:

I honestly hope, he retires from YEC this year. He needs a break.


RZ Says:

@Lakie – I think the draw process goes like this: after placing #1 and #2 in opposite groups, they then draw the groups for #3 and #4, and then again for #5 and #6, and finally for #7 and #8.


aku Says:

C’mon… Nole’s in the trunk now. It doen’t matter who his opponents are.


Farah Diba Says:

Hey JK,M,Willow…Are you guys going to see Andy play at O2 next week?If so,please you have to tell me what kind of clothes are you going to wear that day,i want to give a virtual waves to you guys!


J-Kath Says:

Thought about it Farah – but have to go elsewhere….from Scotland it really needs to be well planned in advance. I’ll go next year if Andy is still going strong. I know Margot has been before.


Markus Says:

Andy is number one and deservedly so but personally, I think Djokovic still has better odds of winning the WTF. He may have been losing recently but he still has a better head to head record against Andy. Djokovic could lose to anyone in his section but the round robin format gives him a huge chance to still make it through his section. From there, he could face Andy in the semifinals or finals (assuming that Andy makes it in his section). It would be nice for Andy to have the year end number one ranking. If he does not, I am still very happy for him to have become number one. It does not matter if it is short. It is still an accomplishment done only by three other people in over ten years now…and look at those names!


Danica Says:

Van Persie,
Nole seemed pumped in his last FB post. So, maybe there is fire in him after all? I think that a lot of his words were taken out of context and misunderstood. Both Vajda and Becker will be there with him, his real team. I think he can win in spite of all ( or because of it) that’s been written recently.
Idemooo!!!

Andy is obvious choice to lift the trophy. But will he be fresh? He didn’t face this amount of top players for several months now.


Farah Diba Says:

@JK..6:30 pm..

Oh!It’s a shame!This year Andy really has a chance to wrap it up perfectly..Win WTF and secure his No 1,what a better way than to witness this amazing feat happen in front of our own eyes right?It’s not happen to us regularly.Oh well,i guess i have to wait till next year to waves at you!He he..


lakie Says:

Hope Andy does not falter in this last stretch!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Definitely an easier group for Novak, but did anyone imagine he was going to struggle to get out of the RR with any draw?

While Novak has dominated this event in recent years, his serve is not what it was. At least Murray and Stan can challenge him this year.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Then again… this is the surface Rog humiliated Andy on, isn’t it?


lakie Says:

All things considered, I think the singles draw is rigged. The doubles draw seems random enough, not so the singles draw.


Van Persie Says:

Danica,

Yep, Nole idemooo!
His 1 match is on 13.11. against Thiem.
Glad that he has his team with him there.


Margot Says:

@ TV
Then again…… that was then and this is now.


J-Kath Says:

Willow: Andy is going to the England vs Scotland Friday match. Fingers crossed he doesn’t become the meat in the sandwich.

Latest from Milos: Thinks he’ll still make it to London.
Rafa playing in the Exhibition matches in Dubai end Dec.

Andy’s 275 Davis Cup points come off 28th Nov. (Been a lot of debate about this – some posters say they’re off already). Been wondering if Nole has Davis Cup points to come off?


Travis Bickle Says:

J-Kath,

Are you sure Raonic will play with torn leg muscle? I don’t think that is physically possible. He may show up in London, but no way he actually plays with muscle that was torn a few days ago. That thing takes weeks to heal…

He actually played through that injury against Tsonga and won the match, likely aggravating the tear in the process. Then he went to sleep that night and when he woke up the next day before facing Murray in semis, he found out his muscle is torn (not strained). He promptly gave Murray a walkover. Now, only a week later he plays?!?
No way.


J-Kath Says:

Travis: I read a short article implying that Milos said it was healing fast and therefore he believed he would be fine for Sunday. If I spot article again I’ll send thru. (My thinking at end of that was all that’s going to happen is he’ll play once and mess up the rest of the matches by retiring.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Margot, of course Andy is much stronger this year and I expect his best ever result here. However, he hasn’t seemed strong on this surface in the past, so he’s not as big a favourite as if it were Wimbledon.


J-Kath Says:

Farah:

Remember all the “miracles” earlier? You didn’t tell me you started this petition. ?????

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/SaintAndy

They’re going for 1,000 signatures and then it’s being presented to the Pope. I can hear you asking a question and my answer is….No.


Farah Diba Says:

Awww JK…C’mon,anything for Andy.He deserves to be recognised for all the things he has done.I think he’s the most outstanding sportsperson in England..Oh,maybe you want to wait to make a decision until after England vs Scotland?Who knows you’ll get inspired by the result?


lakie Says:

If Andy wins the title even with 1 RR, he will get #1.
The blatantly rigged draw favors Novak for #1, If he wins the title even by losing one RR he will be year end #1. Looking at the injured tired struggling players in his group, he is likely to win all 3 RRs.
Andy in his group faces higher seeded players with 2 of them being GS winners ( i.e. mentally strong, especially Wawa) and the other being Nishikori, also hugely talented and with immense self belief but prone to injuries.
The only good thing about this rigged draw is that Novak will meet a tough opponent in the semis. Hopefully the tough opponent won’t be too tired after the RRs.


J-Kath Says:

Farah: …I nearly said Yes but Andy as a Saint? Wiggly Weird. It’s hilarious – Andy as a Saint?????


jane Says:

carole bouchard’s interview with judy:

http://theyellowballcorner.blogspot.ca/2016/11/judy-murray-reward-for-perseverance.html

congrats to andy and fans on here.


Wog Boy Says:

Maybe I am wrong, but to my knowledge Andy is not catholic, protestants stopped declaring Saints long time ago, it is against their teaching, so what Pope has to do with it? Somebody hasn’t done their homework?:)
To my knowledge too, there is no love lost between Scotish protestants and Scotish catholics, it is enough to watch the games between Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic and to know their history.


Margot Says:

Wog Boy: must be a p**s take.


J-Kath Says:

Margot and Wogboy – It isn’t a p**s take. I think Farah thought so too. It is being proposed by Grant’s whisky as “whisky is the water of life” and 21 people (around my lunch-time today) had signed up.

All of which I said words to effect it was weirder than weird.!

I’ll go back and see if I can find the original document.


Daniel Says:

None expected Novak to lose to Cilic in straight afer that 14-0 advantage, so even with him never losing to anyone in his group, best of three in a quick court is tricky.

But with all of them battling injuries is hard not to see Novak reach semis. Maybe he lose on match in three set and that’s it. The only certainty I have at this points is thay woth his geouo Novak is in semis.
The other group is qide opne. As much as Murray is the hot player now, Wawa is a big match player and made smemis before in London, so did Kei.

If I had to bet I’ll say Murray will qualify as well. Novak and him, shoe in.


Berghain Says:

PR campaign. OR they really have been drinking to much whisky.

Its just a tennis player ppl. The way some people talk, you would think hes handing out bread loaves to starving children.

“He has drawn people to prayer”

Oh man! you have to laugh.


J-Kath Says:

Yes, yes, weird. I should have joined the campaign to see how far it went. One thing is, did anyone ask Andy? No way Jose!.


Berghain Says:

J-Kath

Whisky is the Water of life, Uisce beatha :) – now that is hilarious. Maybe we should all be drinking more.

Margaret Thatcher’s phenomenal energy levels during her premiership have long been the subject of admiration – and speculation.

Cynthia Crawford, who was her personal assistant between 1979 and 1990, claims, in a new television series about the private life of Britain’s first woman prime minister, that in times of crisis, Mrs Thatcher would drink her favourite brand of whisky, Bell’s, until dawn, and forgo her bed altogether.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/expat-health/4186140/Is-whisky-the-water-of-life.html


Wog Boy Says:

My favorite is Jameson..sorry Scotland:(


Berghain Says:

I also like Jameson. A lot of people have actually never heard of it. Single malt whiskys are also delicious, with a peace of dark chocolate. My Serbian x-gf and I used to lay in bed enjoying that combination after a night out. Really good combo.


J-Kath Says:

Hi Berghain:

Indeedie. Interesting about Thatcher -didn’t know that.

I have the American habit of filling a glass full of ice and Whyte & Mackay (being darkish) was/is my pour-on preference (gives a reasonable colour estimate to how much one is drinking). Funnily enuf, My husband (a geologist) & I had a Scotland and once he got pretty ill. (I wanted the Dr. but he accepted the locals recommendation and had Scotch x 2 hefties per evening – funnily enuf he did get better.

Has always been called the “water of life”…rightly or wrongly.

Wogboy – Irish whiskey (spelling different too I think) has different base – but each to their own.


J-Kath Says:

“had a hotel in Scotland”…missing from above


Wog Boy Says:

JK,
Thanks, I didn’t know that. With me it is taste and smoothness and what I like in Jameson, and it is not single malt, but triple distilled.


J-Kath Says:

Berghain:

Dark chocolate? – my husband ditto.


Khb Says:

It’s no surprise that Novak struggled physically & emotionally.
When I mentioned that he expected everything in his life to be great, the non-Novak fans acted like I was tabloid-trashing him.
Like they gave a damn about him.
Then again, Fed fans think sportsmanship awards are voted by tons of sport fans.
Anyone with knowledge and familiarity with Novak’s strengths & weaknesses would able to predict his behavior.
Surely, if you hated Novak’s #1, you wouldn’t worry about Novak regaining #1.
Frauderer failed to take advantage of Novak’s personal problems in 2012.
That was too bad…


Wog Boy Says:

“..laying in bed and enjoying that combination..”..now that sounds bloody good and I bet it is good (understatement)..


Raj Says:

Funny draw for faker nole..


Berghain Says:

Jk, I find 70 percent, with orange or some other ingredient is the best. Good for your health and you dont gain weight. I have a friend- shes a bit of a gym bunny. Always goes for 100 percent, for me thats to bitter.

WG

No matter which way you combine it, that combination is “bloody good” ;). I’m thankful I live in Europe.


Berghain Says:

JK

My Father once told me a funny story. Back in the day, they crashed a party and he went strait for the whisky cabinet.

When my Father was caught, he simply clutched his stomach and said he felt ill. Instead of the Girls parents being angry, they let him drink more. Those were the days.


Van Persie Says:

Berghain, are U from Berlin?


Berghain Says:

Yes.

Prenzlauerberg – thats what we call a “bezirk”, Means the same as district(had to google that). Have you been before ?


Berghain Says:

Best night clubs. Dont get me started. I can talk about it for hours.


Van Persie Says:

Yep, agree with you. One can have a lot of fun in Berlin. Geile Stadt :)


Van Persie Says:

It is nice to see, that “Saint Andrew” has provoqued such a nice discussion on this thread :D


J-Kath Says:

Nice One Berghain.


Van Persie Says:

Berghain, have been several times in Berlin, loved it but I will disapoint you. Clubing ist nicht so ganz mein Ding, only once in a while. Much prefer outdoor activities.


J-Kath Says:

Berghain

Don’t tempt me – I could talk all night.


Van Persie Says:

Peace to all, will now got to bed, but will have a glass of brandy first. You guys made me thirsty….


Berghain Says:

VP

In dem Fall warst du ja schon mal. Ist der Hammer – keine frage! Man sollte aber auch die Techno Kultur kennenlernen… ne war ein Scherz. Es gibt eigentlich an jeder Ecke was zu entdecken.

Yes very nice of the Saint, lets take a moment of silence and praise his holiness. Maybe bless ourselves with some water of life hihi.

JK, Could you talk all night or party all night?


Van Persie Says:

Berghain,

Um viel Techno zu hoeren oder drauf zu tanzen, brauch ich echt besoffen zu sein. hihi :)
Haue jetzt richtig ab, muss morgen arbeiten. :(


J-Kath Says:

Berghain:

What’s the difference???????????

PS: St Andrew’s Day is coming up soon irrespective of Andy’s non-blessing by the Pope. Celebrate with an Islay malt (you too Wogboy).

USA battle results coming up. Rushing off to bed.

Slainte.


Wog Boy Says:

JK,

You will be glad to know that you (Scotland) can put the claim (partly) on Jameson too. I was curious to find out more about Irish whiskey I like to drink and what I found on Wiki is that John Jameson was a Scotish lawyer who married in to Haig family in Dublin, the rest is the history, very tasty one too:)
Check Wiki.


Farah Diba Says:

JK…I have a question though..

1]Do you think Pope won’t mind a Saint cursing?

2]Do you think Andy will accept this when he’s already rejected a much more reasonable SIR a while ago?

Despite the weirdo or unthinkable,i think those people who signed the petition[i predict many more to sign in the coming days]loves Andy very very much and they’re very very proud of what Andy has done for the past 5 months..When you suffered a disappointment and pain for far too long,and then a ‘miracles’ like this happened..in the era of 3 GOAT that has ever lived..i’m not surprised at all by this action..It’s only to show how much they’re appreciate Andy and for what he has done,not only for himself but for his fans,Scotland and England as well..

PS..I only know one Saint when i was growing up..That is Roger Moore and his series ‘The Saint’..

Hmm…To think back,Andy’s not bad at all with his Sainthood!


Danica Says:

Um, doesn’t a person need to be not among living to be “in the running” for sainthood? :)


J-Kath Says:

Fara: The real answer is publicity. Not by Andy but by the Whisky producer “Grants” whose sales have been falling against other well-known brands.


J-Kath Says:

WogBoy: I had a vague thought along these lines but was too tired last night – thanks for the confirmation. One day while you are fit, hearty and hopping about the globe – visit Islay – there’s almost more distilleries there than there are people.


lakie Says:

Farah, Andy is a OBE and not entitled to be addressed as Sir Andy. He may be offered knighthood next year and he can then be Sir Andy. But if what you are saying is that he was offered knighthood and he declined, then it is news to me.


lakie Says:

Farah, what do you mean by Andy rejected SIR? Do you mean knighthood? He has not been offered If you mean he does not want to be addressed as SIR, then he is right because OBE does not entitle the holder to be addressed as SIR.


J-Kath Says:

Lakie & Farah:

Andy has never officially been offered a knighthood. His reply was approx. – It would be inappropriate at this time….plus some mutterings about the time to consider it would be when he ends his career. Irrespective of this, it is still thrown about like confetti at a wedding.


Farah Diba Says:

@Lakie..after he won Wimby this year,i read an article somewhere that he has turned down the offer the be knighted once[2013],unfortunately i can’t provide you the link,i read so many articles and forgot which one.I only can recall some of his word in that article,Andy said he doesn’t sure he wants a knighthood or whether winning wimbledon merits it.If i made mistake with what i wrote up there,i’m so sorry to all Andy fans.


Farah Diba Says:

JK…Oopps..didn’t realize your article come in 1st..and thank you for your explanation,that means the article that i read was not true.Once again THOUSAND APOLOGIES to all Andy fans for my mistakes.Promised to check the fact better next time..


J-Kath Says:

Farah:

No problem – there was a lot of talk about it.


RZ Says:

Here’s how Jon Wertheim introduced Andy in his weekly mailbag: After nearly 30 years in public service, we have a new winner, an unabashed feminist, an outsider candidate and an agent of change….Andy Murray.
http://www.si.com/tennis/2016/11/09/mailbag-novak-djokovic-guru-andy-murray-wta-elite-trophy


chrisford1 Says:

RZ – Thanks for the link. Murray the feminist is a one line blurb, and that SI article has a ton of other stuff besides that.
I was interested in the two sections dealing with Marko Djokovic. The first is a picture showing usually most good looking of the 3 bros, middle bro Marko, with a hollow shadowed thin face like Novak now has. Both bros have lost weight to almost looking emaciated. The next part is a reader saying he and many fans would love an article if the Djokovic bros agreed, on how each has coped with dissimilar success. Wertheim agreed, said he’d love to read an article that dealt mainly with that, interviewing the 3 young men together


chrisford1 Says:

I’m sort of chuckling at what it means for tennis Trump was elected. 70 year old man who likes golf 1st, like Obama, but who also plays tennis. He rallied with Serena last year at a charity event and has done the same with other celebs and player going back to the 80s I think at the USO and New Haven – off and on.
Some of his kids are athletic. I believe Ivanka is a scratch golfer and also one of his sons.

70 year old man bringing a relatively young hottie wife and a ten year old son to the White House. Wife plays tennis. Pre-teen Son has played a bit.


FedExpress Says:

they say that the court at the WTF will be fast

as soon as fed disappears they make paris and wtf fast again.


jane Says:

pauses movie: i love how all the journos keep saying novak “added” a guru to his team. even i bought into it at first, and then it came out that he’s been around novak’s team since at least 2013 and he has a children’s tennis academy with novak’s brother in spain. but whatever. no one fact checks anymore, seemingly. just read another article where stefan is 1 years old. um, no. and another one as well wherein rafa has “more than 10 slams”. sheesh, why not just say 14? tennis reporting needs a big overhaul. it’s full of bias or laziness.


Margot Says:

http://tennismash.com/2016/11/07/20-questions-andy-murray/
For Andy fans. Says dogs his best possession. I thought his dogs were the boss!


Willow Says:

Thanks for the link Margot ….


J-Kath Says:

News from London re. our Tennis lads: Lots of articles report:

(1) Milos says he will definitely play the first match.
(2) Gael says he is not 100% fit yet.

PS: I thought Noel’s birthday was in May?
Sorri Noel fans, couldn’t resist.


J-Kath Says:

Taa Margot:

That was Andy, indeedie!


Van Persie Says:

CF1,

Ilie Nastase used to play tennis with DT 20-30 years ago. Nasty told also that Donald has a very good Backhand.


Wog Boy Says:

He has got good BH indeed, ask Mrs Clinton..

Good old Nastase, loved him, he didn’t take any sh$t from anybody..


J-Kath Says:

Wogboy:

What a terrific match Scotland vs. Australia – a couple of minutes to go but your guys have won by at least 1 point.


Wog Boy Says:

JK,

Couldn’t watch, but red that Scotland was very very unlucky in that match, they played like real bravehearts.


Wog Boy Says:

^^^ “read”


J-Kath Says:

Wogboy: Was surprisingly thrilling. But a win is a win. No controversey this time

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