It’s Andy Murray v Novak Djokovic For The ATP No. 1 Ranking Sunday In London, Who’s The Pick?
by Sean Randall | November 19th, 2016, 11:07 pm
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2016 won’t be remembered as the greatest season ever in pro tennis, far from it. But it will have what could be the greatest conclusion to any season. That’s because the final match between Andy Murray and Novak Djokovic at the London ATP Finals will ultimately determine who ends the year on top, and that’s never, ever happened before.

But will it live up to the billing? On to my pick.

Andy Murray v Novak Djokovic

Looking at the head-to-head, everything points the way of Djokovic. He leads Murray 24-10. He’s won 13 of their last 15. He’s never lost to Murray indoors and this is the Scot’s first title bout at the ATP Finals,while for Djokovic, it’s his fifth straight, and he’s never lost one in five previous appearances.

Oh, and did I mention Murray just played 3 hours, 38 minutes beating Milos Raonic today while Djokovic spent just 63 minutes in hammering Kei Nishikori?

So, living up to the billing in this one really looks like a long shot. After the Raonic and the Nishikori win Wednesday, Murray might not make it out of bed tomorrow – remember what happened to Federer two years ago after he played an epic semifinal?

Point is, based on the way Novak looked today, even a fresh, confident Murray would have an uphill battle tomorrow. But now coming off a marathon like that, I just don’t see much hope.

Then again, we’ve seen players rise up against the odds, against their fatigue and win. Rafael Nadal played five hours against Fernando Verdasco then won the Australian Open over Roger Federer. Djokovic has done it, winning in five then going almost six hours to beat Nadal, also in Melbourne.

But Murray isn’t Nadal or Djokovic. He’s more of a defender who needs those legs. And he’s had those long matches in the semifinals in places like Melbourne, but just hasn’t had the follow through on the Sunday after. And in this case, he has the added weight of the No. 1 ranking and of pleasing his home fans. He also played a lot of tennis this season, more matches than anyone on the tour. So, unfortunately for those hoping for a fantastic finish, I just think it’s too much.

Had Murray won today in routine fashion in 90 minutes, I’d give him a much better chance. Still, Djokovic presents a problem. A lot of problems.

Novak’s better than Andy in just about every category with the exception of overhead, maybe return game which I now have them at even, and overall confidence as Murray is on a 23-match win streak.

I give Djokovic the edge in movement, forehand, backhand and in serve. And he’s familiar with the job at hand having won this title five times beating Federer, beating Nadal. There’s also no question he’s fresh and from the sound of it really excited for the challenge of winning again and returning to No. 1.

“I can’t expect anything except to really get myself in the right state of mind and try to perform as well as I did tonight. That’s going to be my only goal,” Djokovic said.

“Other than that, I must say that I’m very honored to be part of the history. I hear this is the first time in the history of the ATP that the two best players are deciding the rankings in the last match. That is something we should all be conscious of.”

Yes, Djokovic had two relative tomato cans in his last two matches, dominating David Goffin and today overwhelming a weary Nishikori. But in his case, he’s already beaten the best and beaten them many, many times. So he has nothing to prove in that regard. Instead, he’s now got his game and groundstrokes fine tuned. Whereas Murray today wasn’t playing as well as he was say Friday when he beat up on Stan.

Andy was missing some easy shots, looked a little sluggish and just looked worn out. But, to his credit he kept it together, showed his toughness and heart and came back from a set and break down to reach the final. But at what price? We’ll find out.

“I don’t know how I’ll feel tomorrow,” Murray said. “Obviously tired just now because it was a really hard match. It wasn’t just that it was physically hard, it was mentally a tough match, too. It was pretty stressful.

“The physical side, obviously the body is a bit sore after such a long match, but mentally it was tiring, too.”

So, head-to-head, fatigue factor, pressure are all in Novak’s favor. But Murray’s been winning and winning a lot lately. Djokovic hasn’t – his last title came in Toronto. So for you Murray fans, there’s your hope. Murray comes out swinging, Djokovic feels the nerves, starts missing backhands and serves while Murray gets the emotion going and the crown.

“I’ll just give my best of what I’ve got tomorrow,” Murray said.

Will it be enough?
The pick: Djokovic 7-5, 6-2

ESPN2 will have live coverage of the last official ATP match of the season at 1pm ET. This result could be just about anything except a rout for Murray. That’s because the numbers and the eye test and the time on court tell me this should be a routine Djokovic win. May the best man finish No. 1!


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167 Comments for It’s Andy Murray v Novak Djokovic For The ATP No. 1 Ranking Sunday In London, Who’s The Pick?

skeezer Says:

Sean nails it. All the best to the few that will be watching this. Thank goodness for Football season.


Travis Bickle Says:

Don’t you worry skeezer, IPTL starts soon. You’ll finally be able to watch some meaningful tennis…


Bob Says:

Hi everyone, I love reading this site, it cheers me up and hearing you guys bickering about your favourite players lol. As far as today is concerned, I think Sean is right everything points to a Novak victory, except this time Murray is No.1 and he is playing in London. That crowd may be the difference between a Murray win and loss. Djokovic has never like a biased crowd at the best of times, this time; it might be as bad as the crowd Fed gets in Basel. I hope it is not, and you guys are talking about how Murray won fair and square to stay World No.1.
Tbh Murray has always been a frustrating player; he is from my home country, UK, but he has always been so infuriating to watch. That US Open match with Nishikori was a prime example. I’m hoping that now he has reached No.1 he will act like a No.1, and he will win at all costs. He will not have pathetic tantrums that cost him the match, and when he is beating Djokovic, he doesn’t suddenly revert to a passive infuriating top 20 player instead of the player he should be.
I want Murray to think like Djokovic and believe he is worthy of the title of the best player in 2016, and not think oh well I had it for one week hopefully I’ll get it back sometime next year.
Apologies for the dead long post but I had to eventually say something :-)


Van Persie Says:

Well, it was a great year 2016 for me as a Novak fan. Will never forget it for sure :)
Big congrats to Andy for challenging Novak and for achieving Nr.1 finally. It was a great year for both and we should have a very interesting 2017.

Skeezer, if you are so bored, why are you still posting comments on tennis articles? :)


Van Persie Says:

P.S. for Skeezer: Honestly, it is a great pleasure for me to read your posts, coming from a frustrated Fed fan. Have noticed, that others are more chill then you. Lwarn from them.


Margot Says:

For me Nole gets it. Just hope Andy fights and fights and fights! Go Andeee, you’ve got 5-6 weeks off and your dad’s stag do to look forward to ;)
Cheers V.P. :)


Van Persie Says:

Learn from them, correction


Van Persie Says:

Cheers back Margot ;)

After the FO, I would had not imagened, Andy will be that strong in 2016. He proved many wrong. What these 2 guys have achieved in 2016 it’s HUGE!


Danica Says:

Hello nice people,

Sorry to not have commented before, but am sick in bed and pretty much slept all day :(. I awoke in the morning and checked the result of the first match expecting to see a 2:0 for Andy. It was 5:5 in third and some 3+ hours of play!! My belated congrats to Andy’s fans and my fellow Nole fans!

Obviously, I am happy with Nole reaching the finals. ESPN seems to cover it and even though I thought I would not watch it, how can I not? The behind-the-sofa area is awaiting if needed.

Fitting end of a season that is, in MHO, still pretty darn good and unforgettable. Nole was the best in the first half, Andy in the second. The two will clash in about 10 hours and the history will be made.

I like Andy but…
Idemo Noleeee!!!


Margot Says:

I agree VP and I just cannot understand why some tennis fans can’t seem to celebrate them…..
;)


J-Kath Says:

Sean says that Andy Murray “also played a lot of tennis this season, more matches than anyone on the tour”.

Over the year Andy and Nole played an equal no. of tournaments, i.e. 16 as did Rafa (Roger @ 15). Other top players played a heck-of-a-lot more.

VP, Margot & Danica: Yes, they should both be celebrated. Alas, only one of them will win today. If Andy manages to take the first set, Nole will take the next two. C’est la vie.


chrisford1 Says:

So in line with what Van Persie said!!!
Novak finished his dream, then found the dream of 4 Slams in row was not the answer to every relationship and issue. Seen it before as a friend became at 46 the senior VP of a 3.4 billion revenue firm after relentless work – shining star- and the utter dismay that 300K a year and a corporate Lexus made no difference in his personal life.
But with Djokovic, you have adaptability. Some silly streak, save but to fans, did not move his life to a higher level of perfection. Which drove a big funk after the French Open and a Grand Slam (non-calendar)
And Andy Murray, well on him!! Especially since his RIO gold added not a single point. Andy just stuck with it and if his luck, talent, and hard work runs out in the Final, many more weeks as #1 beckon in 2017 as Djokovic defends wads of points everywhere.
A Final like this is never guaranteed. Every year end WTF is worked for.
Bravo Andy, bravo Novak.
And get used to the idea that Fed and Rafa are gracefully fading away, noble old Skeezer.


Willow Says:

Skeezer has been here a long time, and is also entitled to his opinion, nobody should tell anybody what to do, some of these fanatics are becoming bullies on this forum ….


Michael Says:

I feel that Novak has the edge although Andy is supremely confident and raring to go and in the right frame of mind. What makes this final so special is that it would decide the year end No.1 ranking and that imposes greater pressure on both the players feeling the challenge, intensity and the added pressure. The one who implodes consumed by the occasion will lose.

As such, Novak has greater experience, tenacity and resilience in such matches than Andy who is ofcourse playing the best Tennis of his life and his adverse H2H against Novak would not matter much. And there is a possibility of a close contest.

Despite that, as Sean rightly pointed out, the fact that Andy has spent more time on the court than Novak will just foil his plans to reverse his losing record against Novak. Moreover, Novak’s favourite surface is indoor courts like Roger and that would add to his advantage. He would also be helped by the fact that Andy has just managed to reach his first final in WTF and there would be some nerves initially.


Danica Says:

CF1,

I read Vajda’s interview that he gave to some Serbian newspaper the other day. He said that after FO, Nole literally sat with the team and asked “Now what?”. He also said that loosing in the first round at the OG was devastating for him, more so that Wimbledon loss. Last but not least, he echoed the exact words Viktor Troicki said in another interview: “Considering what he
(Novak) went through during the summer, it was a surprise he even attended the USO”.

As for Andy, totally right as there is no way Novak is winning all the tournaments he won in the first half of the season. I mean, that IW/Miami double streak has to get broken sometime. I am thinking that Nolandy will probably switch back and forth at the #1 and #2 positions throughout 2017.


Willow Says:

Michael thats pretty much what i thought you would say ….


Klaas Says:

Murray is running on fumes. First set will be quick, then he will pull himself up by his hair in order to give the public at least a semblance of a spectacle and will make the second set somewhat competitive. 6-2,7-5 Djokovic.


Khb Says:

If Novak hadn’t played & murray hadn’t dished out the physical pounding to Milos, the Nadal fans wouldn’t talk about how lucky Novak is.

Murray played a lot because he knew novak was down with injury.
These fanatics didn’t whine about Federer thrashings on Murray & Roddick and Fed’s disingenuous “words” about his “special rivals”.
After Nadal demolished Fed, murray fans could only beg for Novak to get injuries. Fed was the “saint” in his lil special ballet world.
Novak didn’t beg for pretty sportsmanship awards for losing to Nadal the missing tourneys. He’s a boring, abusive, extremely lucky limited player.


Willow Says:

Novak and are Andy are contesting to win the WTFs , and also to claim the number 1 ranking,so if you had any sense you would be talking about that,rather than players like Federer and Nadal who are not even playing, and Roddick a player who retired years ago …


jalep Says:

Willow, LOL…πŸ‘


Willow Says:

Jalep like Grendel said love your posts ;-)) ….


Farah Diba Says:

Good luck to both guys..especially Andy..One last push,one last effort..C’MON!!


Martin rivkin Says:

2016 won’t be remembered as the greatest season ever in pro tennis, far from it.

because of joker sick dominating 6 months ….bore mens tennis and far toooo many injurys to other players this year

hope hope hope ends best way with joker kept number 2 start 2017 with hope he flops far more exciting when jokers out of form


J-Kath Says:

Willow, Farah, Okie etc.

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/news/Rafael_Nadal/38458/rafael-nadal-went-through-an-hair-transplant-new-look-to-be-completed-in-6-months/

Hope this is not insensitive of me – figured it would become common knowledge.


chrisford1 Says:

J-Kath…a week ago Rafa showed up at a golfing event with an apparently shaved head (some doubt as he was wearing a baseball cap he did not remove the whole time there, even at the lunch.) The buzz, you will excuse the pun, at the time, was he was likely prepping for a hair transplant.

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15055767_1385095054847827_2348484421783599880_n.jpg?oh=d8db87795270f6b38a4579b2745f5ebe&oe=58D57720


theDA Says:

It’s getting very frothy on here :D Don’t worry Novak fans. Andy is burned out after facing the 3 in-form players in his group of death. He even made sure Kei was drained for the SF :o Surely it’s pay back for all the whining about Novak’s Rome draw, right? Also, expect to see the posters in exile to reappear shortly to say they never lost faith ;)

Joking aside, may they both be in top form and give us a thrilling finale to the season.


J-Kath Says:

Chrisford 1:

Yes I saw something like that too – but didn’t want to start rumours etc.

Wonder if Rafa’s treatment will work. You’d think members of UK royalty and other famous, rich men might be interested, e.g. Prince William????


Danica Says:

Giles, credit where credit is due: that’s an adorable picture ;)

Rafa’s hair: I saw the picture where he wears baseball hat but also one where he doesn’t. It took me some time to recognize him. I thought that one was Photo Shopped.

Friends from Britain: the guy who wanted to get on court during the Kei:Nole match – is he a local prankster, already known? I mean, what nerve!!!


emilia Says:

To all fans:

I am glad the two best players in the world are meeting in half an hour and I hope we shall enjoy the game. A lot of credit to Andy but as a devoted Novak’s fan, of course I would like to see Nole’s victory. I think he should end as # 1of 2016 as I presume Andy will be in 2017.

To Danica: get well soon !
To van Persie: ik hoop Nole blijft de beste


Danica Says:

CF1,
I rather like when people accept the changes and make the best of them.


Danica Says:

Emilia,
Thank you. I actually feel worse today :(, some strog cold. Everyone in the office had their share. So…


Van Persie Says:

Emilia,

Ik hoop ook :)
haha, am glad I managed to write something in Dutch ;)


jane Says:

“Nobody really wants Novak to win today, except maybe a few hundred Serbians”. – mats wilander on skysports. racist much? such horrible bias in tennis reporting: can’t stand it.


jane Says:

be well danica <3
lots of that going around.


Danica Says:

Thanks Jane β™‘.
As for Mats, he is known for being extreme in his bias and dislike of Novak.


Berghain Says:

uhh Novak doing a Fed and taking the wrong chair. hihi.


jane Says:

danica, he may be the actual worst, ha.

Rob Koenig for @TennisTV “If I was a part of Murray’s camp, I’d be definitely paying few fans to heckle Novak and get under his skin.”

seriously, who are these people!


Van Persie Says:

Jane,

Pretty idiotic comment from Mats, but nothing surprises me anymore.
And now I am a Serbe, cuz Mats says so :D


Van Persie Says:

Berghain,

Really? Did not notice that. I am sure, he did not mean so :)


FedExpress Says:

Murray starts with a DF. already thinking how he holds and poses with the runner up plate


Khb Says:

Disingenuous insecure Mats, Robbie & sky sports.
Mats is pure racist boring trash now.
How sad. I used to sympathize for this jealous clown.
Mats is now Scottish as well.

Almost as bad as Espn with Pat McEnroe and his rabid vampire thirst for Federina.
Serbs? How dare anyone like novak!
Maybe nole should do some evil imitations of these ex-players.


FedExpress Says:

best smash ever


FedExpress Says:

oh my godness why not challenge murray. 2nd serve was out and would have been BP


FedExpress Says:

andy shanking like federer in important points


Farah Diba Says:

JK…Thank you for the article..Honestly,i can’ wait to see the new look..Hopefully,he will put back the long locks of mane that made him looks so brutal and dangerous..

PS..To Dani..Get well soon and take care of yourself sis!


Daniel Says:

Wow, what a inside out FH from Murray to break.
Murray serving for first set.

He never beat Djoko after losing first set so he needs this set the most.


BBB Says:

Haven’t read all the comments, but I am enjoying this match. I’d like to see Djoker take the #1 back but very much respect what Andy is doing.


courbon Says:

Novak is playing without fire.Murray, courages and agressive. First set, desrvedly, Murray.


FedExpress Says:

wow. murray i take everything back.

it looks like that nole is the tired one.

first time nole lost a set in a WTF final

fed was the closest one before that. had 2 SPs in 2012.


BBB Says:

I didn’t think fatigue would be an issue – I think it only really matters in majors.


J-Kath Says:

Margot, Farah, Willow, Okie, DA etc.

Oh so thrilled – had visions of doughnuts and sticks. What a stoic approach. Obviously Nole can still win – but one good set – excellent.


BBB Says:

J-Kath, you’ve got to have more faith! LOL.


Daniel Says:

Murray is taking more initiative in points, but Djoko is steady. He doesn’t seem 100% comfortable, still has margin to go for his shots more.


Van Persie Says:

Nole is struggeling there. He’s very passive, so many UE.


BBB Says:

Yup, passive. But he went for the inside out forehand and missed it, so I’m not sure how confident he can be that ripping it is the answer.


FedExpress Says:

Break murray


Farah Diba Says:

OH MY GOD!OH MY GOD!I never…


Danica Says:

A set and a break. No way Andy is losing this now. He us much stronger. Nole just a pale shadow of his former self. I don’t see him turning the tables here.

Congrats Andy and fans.


Giles Says:

The match is not over yet. Don’t jinx Andy! 😑😑😑😑😑😑😑


FedExpress Says:

didnt murray lose a certain Shanghai masters final from a set and break up


Van Persie Says:

FedEx,

Do not think it will happen here.


J-Kath Says:

BBB:

I just don’t like to challenge fate —-when Andy played Milos he was a set and a game down….


FedExpress Says:

hahahahah

nole at the net. a joke.


BBB Says:

LOL J-Kath.

Well, Pepe Imaz doesn’t seem to be the answer. That does not disappoint me. There’s something Rasputin-like about him.


Daniel Says:

Did not see that coming. Murray is alternating, 1 great match and 1 so so. Today he is great after so so against Raonic


Danica Says:

Beatdown.


FedExpress Says:

6-3 4-1

dont think murray will lose this one
but you never know.

where was this nole vs fed in the 3 GS and 2 WTf finals.


courbon Says:

Danica, agree with you completely…


FedExpress Says:

BP nole


FedExpress Says:

break nole

surely murray isnt going to choke this one.


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

Novak not looking good here. I have to say I think @chrisford is right, Novak needs to some animal protein in the diet. I have some experience with restrictive diets. At age 29 I went on a diet of fruits and nuts only. I cured myself of a bad case of arthritis I’d developed at age 25. I felt great for a few months but after that deficiencies develop.


BBB Says:

Well, we haven’t seen this quality from Djokovic in awhile.


courbon Says:

If people have a coffe in the breaks , maybe Novak should have a steak?


Van Persie Says:

I am wondering, how much Nole is training daily since he won the FO.


Wog Boy Says:

No better way to seal a deal but to beat second best and convincingly so. I said yesterday “if Andy loses, big if,..” everything was pointing to him winning WTF and #1, and i was proven right, he is energizer Bunny.

Congrats to him and his fans.


FedExpress Says:

murray is feeling it.

nole has him where he wants him


jane Says:

tfs76, interesting re: your own experience. i agree. i think novak needs more protein and calories in general. i read that lendl was vegetarian at his peak, but he’d've no doubt had eggs and dairy, so that would’ve given him extra compared to novak. he’s living on leaves. : /


BBB Says:

Wog Boy, what does the Serbian press say about Imaz?


FedExpress Says:

so murray will serve it out.
didnt do a good job yesterday


Wog Boy Says:

BBB, surprisingly not much.


BBB Says:

Do they have any views on why Djoker’s had a tough second half? I think it’s fairly consistent with having achieved a big life goal, but I wonder if there are informed theories in the Serbian press.


Daniel Says:

Serving for the match and Year End #1


FedExpress Says:

30-15
30-30
surely not


FedExpress Says:

Champ point


Humble Rafa Says:

Chokers will always be chokers, no matter.


FedExpress Says:

saved


BBB Says:

Doesn’t everyone choke at some point?


FedExpress Says:

saved again


Humble Rafa Says:

Why does Sir Mr. Lady Forehand sever at the bottom of the net in his first serve? Is that a Scottish secret?


Farah Diba Says:

OH MY GOD!OH MY GOD!…M,JK,RZ,I CAN’T BELIEVE MAGIC AND MIRACLES HAPPENING TWICE!!!OH MY GOD!!!


BBB Says:

Congrats Andy fans!


jane Says:

(novak was so bad today, sob. :’( )

but congrats to andy (and fans)
he has his mojo *and* the top ranking.
enjoy!


courbon Says:

Congartulations to Andy fans


Van Persie Says:

Congrats Andy and fans!

Hugs to all Nole fans!


FedExpress Says:

win. didnt see that coming


Humble Rafa Says:

I think the Egg Lover told Mr. Lady Forehand to follow Imaz after the match.


Daniel Says:

New Year End #1 and first WTF, Congrats!

Now missing IW, Australian Open and Roland Garros to complete all set of titles. All titles he is very well capable of winning in next 2-3 years as seems him and Djoko will be sharing the top for quite a while still. Nobody comes even close to their level of consistency now.

24 straight matches win to close out the season, nice.

Djoko will have to regroup in time for AO. Eventually he would lose to Murray again. Next season promises.

Also this result affect GOAT debate a bit, mins 1 Year End #1 for Djoko and some weeks as #1, as Murray should retain this ranking until clay season.


Margot Says:

ANDEEEEEEE!!!!

Jumping up and screaming with joy!


Wog Boy Says:

BBB,

I read only few official (bigger) newspapers, and no, there is not much talk or analysis why.

I’ll leave Andy fans enjoying their moment.


Van Persie Says:

Hope that 2017 will be at least that bad for Nole as the 2016 :)


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

@jane I don’t think it matters whether it is meat, dairy or eggs as long as there is some animal protein


Danica Says:

Well deserved Andy! Conrats to all the fans, Margot, J-Kath, Willow, Farah D., CDP… sorry if I missed someone. The best player of the year, deserved YE#1!


Giles Says:

Congrats to Andy and fans. Well done young man.


Farah Diba Says:

Commies to all Nole fans..Despite the loss,i still regarded him as The Most Prolific Tennis Player i’ve ever seen..True Champ as well..


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

Good for Andy. I never thought he would make #1. Always someone ahead of him. Nice to genuine sportsmanship at the end.


J-Kath Says:

BBB: Well done – oh my. Nole was doing the Pepe bit at the sit-down time – maybe this is not what he needs at the moment.

And many thanks for kind congrats from Nole fans, VP, Jane, Courbon, Wogboy…and good post from Danica.

And of course, Margot, DA, Willow Farah, Okie

I am so, so thrilled. Actually, Andy fully deserves it – don’t wish to irritate anyone, but he is so stoic …not to forget humble —-and Improved.


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

Interesting also is that both Rafa and Fed end the year outside the top 8. Thiem’s one w in the rr put him ahead of Rafa. So that means each would be slated to meet a top 8 player in the round of 16 in the Australian open.


jane Says:

this tweet!

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Nick Nemeroff
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It will go down as a marvelous year for Murray and Djokovic. Both achieved their biggest goals:

Novak won the French

Murray got to No.1

——

and these

Ben Rothenberg ‏@BenRothenberg 6m6 minutes ago Washington, DC

“Andy’s definitely number one of the world. He’s the best player. He deserved to win.” -Novak Djokovic, gracious in defeat as ever.

Ben Rothenberg ‏@BenRothenberg 35s35 seconds ago Washington, DC

Murray equally gracious, pointing out how remarkable it was that Djokovic held all four slam titles earlier this year. Historic feat indeed.

————-

graciousness. good note.


Margot Says:

Huge hugs to all my lovely Andy comrades in joy and sorrow-Kath, RZ, darling DA, darling Farah, Willow and OK
And hugs to special Nole fans on here.
And thanks to all on here who have congratulated Andy.
Now lets see Ady has beaten 2,3,4,5 etc etc Hopefully shutting up his critics, for the time being at least.


skeezer Says:

Murray is da man! #1! Well deserved and well played. Congrats to the Andy Tennis X team.
Margot get out from behind the couch and pop open some good Champagne, and not the cheap stuff either. Congrats again!


Giles Says:

Poor joker. He still can’t smash! Lol


Travis Bickle Says:

Congratulations to all Murray fans here, especially the true ones who always supported Murray first!
Murray beat Djokovic in straight sets today! What else could be said? Thoroughly deserved #1 ranking. No matter how they played their respective matches yesterday and what form they showed, today in the direct face-off, Novak was awful and Andy was solid enough to secure the win without even a slightest drama.

As to why Novak is doing what he is doing lately and showing these kind oscillations in his form, that is a topic for some serious discussions and analyses in future. I have a hard time believing all that new-age BS he and his wife are pushing… Also, I don’t think Becker will continue working with the kind of player Novak has become; Boris likes “streetfighter” type of guys and not “treehuggers”…

Finally, as a fan, it’s not fun rooting for a guy who plays like Nishikori yesterday with passion roars and fist pumps, and then next day don’t show any emotions, positive or negative in a match he claims is important to him.
Murray has always been my second favorite player, because he is steady in his emotions – win or lose you see the guy cares and shows it every time – and on top everything is very nice and honest guy as well…

Congrats again Andy and his (unfortunately few) fans on this site!


Giles Says:

TB. Lol at the second paragraph of your post. Really funny.


Farah Diba Says:

M,JK,RZ…Despite Andy finishing the year as a No 1..do you guys mind if i want to put Nole and Andy together as a Double Champion this year for the reason that Nole also achieved something that is so big in history of tennis and deserved to be appreciated and remembered despite the mini slump that he suffered atm..He’s already one of the GOATS that has ever lived and i wish him all the best for the 2017 season..


skeezer Says:

“As to why Novak is doing what he is doing lately…”
Yeah that will be a topic.
Novak played “tired”, which was laughable versus what kind of tournament both players had to go through. Also his body language showed it, and there was no emotion in his play. The long point they played with Novak dumping a sure winner right at the net was the ultimate deflater, a typical loss of focus throughout the match.
Fully expected Andy to be the more worn of the two, but no, Andy would not be denied. More focused, more resolve, more determination, and more gonads.


theDA Says:

Hugs to you Margot and all the newer Muzz fans around here. I’ve been here backing him since the early days through “will Murray ever win a slam” and a host of condescending or negative articles. I never stopped believing he had it in him. Even up until the WTF his detractors were second guessing his wins (not played a high ranked player to win titles etcetera etcetera). Now he has beaten the #7, #5, #3, #2 (the # might be off but you get the drift). Commiserations Novak fans. He’s had an amazing run and is most certainly not done yet.


Markus Says:

You can do what you want, Farah Diba, as long as tennis history books list only Andy Murray as 2016 number one tennis player. Congratulations to Andy and all his fans.


Farah Diba Says:

Ooppss..I forgot to give my BIG BIG BIG BIG CONGRATS to ALL ANDY fans 1st class or 2nd class…My Sweet and kind Angel M,My Elegant and well mannered JK,My “DON’T STOP BELIEVIN!” RZ,My Mom Okie and My Treehugger Willow,TheDa,CDP and others…Enjoy it guys!You ALL deserve it…C’MON ANDY!!!!!!!!!

#FEELVERYPRIVILIGEDTOBEANDYFANS[Even though it's 2nd class]


lakie Says:

Congrats to Andy, a very deserving # 1! Hope he keeps up the momentum and wins AO 2017. He has been the finalist there 5 times in the last six years. It is time he won there!
Congrats to Andy fans! Hope you will have much to cheer next year!
As for me, I am glad Andy is providing competition to Nole. Tennis was getting boring in the extreme. A super weak boring era dominated by a player who has been around for ages, not an exciting new comer as Fed was when he was dominating. The nextgen are just not up to the level of the Big Four at their peak. Maybe the new guys have the talent but not the discipline, the commitment and faith. What a bunch of losers! I will probably stop watching tennis after the last Big 4 guy retires.


Farah Diba Says:

Oh Markus..I’m so sorry i forgot to add your name,please forgive me okay?Enjoy this moment Markus..You guys truly deserve it…


J-Kath Says:

Farah – It is only fair to continue to acknowledge the success of others – Nole and Rafa are way ahead of Andy – Andy has been “in there” for a long time and now with a measurable success – you as a major Tennis Fan are very welcome and no need for anyone’s permission. PS: You are a naughty flatterer – my sisters would snigger at the “elegant” but my parents would beam at the well mannered. We both know I’m neither.


J-Kath Says:

DA: I’ve been posting for over 2 years. I’m a Scot drawn in by a certain well known Scottish tennis player…whom I’ve supported for much longer. I realise you are a friend of the indubitable, much-loved, respected Margot. Are you US-based?.


chrisford1 Says:

Without a doubt, Andy is now the better player. I’d say with all the points Novak has to defend 1st half, Andy will now have a reign as #1 lasting at least half a year, barring injury.

With all the discussions we will have on what happened to the Djuggernaut – I think it is important to recognize Andy has improved. He is where he is because he got his shit together, finally. Credit parenthood, a big confidence boost, Lendl – but Andy has truly joined the other members of the Big 4 in learning how to win and win over long spans. And believe, once again, like he did in 2012-13, that he can beat Djokovic anywhere. Novak did not play badly in his 3 RR matches and semis.

Now on the Novak discussions – surely we will learn more as he and his coaches hash things out in the short “off-season”. There is a lot of sports science going on in his camp – stats on every performance category, his weight, blood and urine analysis, how much strength and stamina is shown when he works out on various exercise equipment. Forehand stroke racket velocity, why he still can’t get power on his net volleys, serve speed, and team people that assess his degree of focus and psychological state. And all the other elite athlete metrics – aerobic capacity, recovery time from exertion, vision acuity, and on and on.
They obviously know more than fans and writers what has been going on. But some thing or things broke and they have to fix it.
Without any evidence other than how thin and frail-looking Djokovic is, the dropoff in serve and stroke speed, I think going vegan has weakened him. And I think there is or was some serious family thing that hurt is focus – and I don’t think “follow Pepe’s teachings” is the way back.


Margot Says:

@The DA
Darling it’s wonderful! Can’t stop beaming! It’s a privilege to be a fan and OMG the lows make the highs even more brilliant.
Bring on 2017! Andy’s got more work to do!
Raising a glass to you :)


J-Kath Says:

Lakie – Welcome your comments. Think we’ve got another couple of years before definitive changes occur. May those years be fruitful.


J-Kath Says:

Travis:

Thank you for your posting. I know I may be skinned alive but seeing Jelena courtside tonight, I barely recognised her. Until very recently she was like a young girl with a happy, flushed face. But – I’m not trying to be nasty – I was unhappily surprised at the tightness of the bones against her skin – I have a teenage niece who until the last year looked like that and the cause was an eating disorder (her parents both medics) and she had to put in a special Private “care” home. She has recovered – but took a year. I honestly think Nole and Jelena have gone over-board and need to claw back – Nole himself looked like he was meditating on one of the sit-down breaks.

Thank you for your kind words re. Andy.


Farah Diba Says:

JK..My Darling..First of all,i want to ask don’t be mad at me for what i’m going to say next..A few weeks ago,you asked FARAH to bring my magic on courts and tonight i delivered to you…Ha ha ha..Don’t be mad i’m just kidding!!….

JK,M,RZ…I wanna thank you guys so so much for the warm welcomed you guys gave to Farah Diba this past 3,4 weeks…It’s a pleasure to cheered,shout,crying and traded joyful comments with you guys..What’s more i’m honoured to be Andy fans and even when i’m an AndyMira,Andy will always be my 2nd fav..

JK..From reading your post,i think i’m not wrong when i said you’re a wealthy,elegant and well mannered women..And i’m not naughty flatterer..It’s true..


Danica Says:

BBB,
If I may give some answers to the question regarding Serbian press about Pepe. Niki Pilic allegedly was surprised that Nole said Pepe was part of his team for years. He said that he never heard of the guy before and was confused as to why Nole is “working” with him.

Bogdan Obradovic, the Serbian DC sellector wad a bit upset about Pepe being around and more than not approving of Nole’s diet change.

Everything else are just speculations. I mentioned earlier here that both Troicki i Vajda said that Nole went through some kind of huge problems during the summer and that it was a miracle he was where he was.


lakie Says:

Andy is humble and respectful even when he wins. He is “stoic” as another poster described him. Had Nole won, he would probably have ripped his shirt and bellowed to the heavens. The curious thing about Nole is that he is gracious in defeat but obnoxious in victory, quite the opposite of most people. But anyway I prefer an obnoxious Nole to the nextgen losers.


J-Kath Says:

Khb

Not sure who you are supporting it seem to change with the minute dial of the clock. Just saying……………….


Wog Boy Says:

TB,

Makes few really good points, particularly about “street fighter”, this is gladiator sport, you can’t be “treehuger”, and that’s what you become by eating seeds and grass, unless it is medical condition that is making you eating like that. Humans are carnivores, they’ve been that since they came down from trees, unless we want to go back on the tree then it’s ok to be vegan.
Danica,

On Saturday I had a dinner with group of people from Belgrade, pretty well connected there, who made their money here and now spending part time Belgrade, part time Sydney (what I am planing to do in the near future). More or less we all came here around 30 years ago and been socializing since on regular bases,.. One of them told me with certainty, something that I heard before, that prior Wimbledon Jelena left Stefan and Nole and went to South America, Equador, for spiritual enlightenment, if that is true, no wonder everything started at Wimbledon.
I know I am running a risk of being called sexist, but I remember what my father told me ages ago, it is very dangerous when wife has too much time on her hands, all sort of ideas are going through he head. I would add..and money.


theDA Says:

@J-Kath – US citizen based in Europe,sometimes in Asia. I’ve never picked players based on nationality. Preferred Borg to McEnroe, anyone over Sampras, etc. Just something about Andy, his underdog status with the other 3, the outsider status struck a chord with me. I was hooked as early as 2006 when he smacked Roddick at Wimbledon. I’ll have a rusty nail on ice to celebrate in true Scottish style ;)


BBB Says:

Thanks Daniel. Wog Boy is right – this should be a congrats to Andy thread for the remainder, so I’ll leave it at that for now and hope that the Andy fans enjoy this well-deserved victory. I was pleased for him when Lendl returned – whatever their relationship, Lendl finds a way to get the best out of Andy. It would be a shame to leave any of it on the table.


Raj Says:

Consolation win for Murray.. After losing so much finals to faker..Good job!


emilia Says:

Congratulations to Andy and his fans. Andy was better and deserves the title. I like the way he behaved at the ceremony — he was serious, humble and unpretencious. But I could also see Nole and Andy are good friends and how gracious Nole is even when defeated.

The happiest person tonight is Matts Wilander, I believe.

As for Pepe, there was a lot of talk in private circles in Belgrade, less so in the press. The guy is strange and not
liked by many including myself.


lakie Says:

“Wog Boy Says:
TB,

Makes few really good points,..”

Exactly right!!! Though unintentionally, I am sure, as Wogboy is an admirer of TB’s posts. Few doesn’t mean “some” but emphasizes TB has virtually no really good points. The beauty of the English language!


Margot Says:

@the DA
Nope. Still convinced you’re a Brit, that humour…;)


J-Kath Says:

Enjoy your wee drink DA. I was attracted to Andy because there simply was no player on this side of the Atlantic (other than Henman/Greg R.) to give a home context. I did enjoy MacEnroe…he was always great for naughtiness – more allowable those days. I also liked Borg. Andy’s story as a young lad in the killing spree at his school was kind of the glue that kept me alive to his potential. My husband was originally American and took dual citizenship (US/Brit.).


BBB Says:

WB – it’s not just wives. Justine Henin’s first husband was a nightmare.


J-Kath Says:

WogBoy

You may have noticed my comments on Jelena’s current appearance – gone the happy, shiny, healthy young woman/sweet looking as well – now drawn etc. – although this was only a TV image and perhaps I’m wrong. You say maybe: “too much time on their hands”. I thought Jelena was head of Nole’s charities (or similar) + her own interests – OK the Boss doesn’t need to be too heavily involved but they need to be available or reachable.

Outsiders like myself should not assume to make definitive comments – but it seems there is something wrong and from a tennis point of view – whatever it is will continue to have an adverse effect on Nole – he’s got a lot to defend early 2017, and Nadal and Fed. will be back should he begin to struggle.


Wog Boy Says:

BBB,

Yes, but my father assumed that man are fully employed. It does apply the other way too, I am fully aware off that since I have one in my family :)


Wog Boy Says:

lakie,
You can take it anyway you want, front, behind, sideways…but I am sure the others understood me perfectly since English is not my first language, besides, TB is far more entertaining and knowledgeable than you, though you probably disagree, that’s all you can do anyway, to disagree.


Wog Boy Says:

JK,

Yes, she is the Head of the charity, but others (big team) are running it.
I’ll leave you to celebrate, you deserve it, though I can see others (no Andy fans) are trying to use his achievements to cure their frustrations that are lasting since 2011, good luck to them;)


Danica Says:

Wog Boy,
Yes, Jelena went to Equador during the spring and spent a week or two there. She is not an idle wife and stay at home mom. She is a director of Novak’s charity, editor in chief of their magazine ( I have one copy here but as I’m still in bed cannot loo for it now to tell you what it’s called), very often talking at conferences (see her Instagram), currently also co-owner of a restaurant in MC. My parents meet her parents once a year at the slava of mutual friends ( parents of my classmate). And each time, my mom tells me one bit that they commented during that evening. Last year, Jelenin father complained how he cannot be just any grandpa in a park. He cannot take Stefan to Kalemegdan without having a few body gards around. This year, Jelena’s mom just said that she would not be able to sustain one day of life her kidds are living. I could dig more as a friend of mine is a former Davis Cup player for Yugoslavia, but I just don’t care to ask. If it’s now important at all, he told me a few years back that he had had a conversation with Nole at RG where N had told him there was no title he wanted more than RG.


skeezer Says:

Fans of Novak need to stay on point with the conversation. Andy is the Number one player in the world, and earned it in a mano vs mano showdown to determine it. Historic. Magnamanus. Humungus, and well……Novak could not hold on to dominate despite Fed and Rafa being out. Andy had his own plans of attacking #1.
There’s a new kid in town. He earned it.


Wog Boy Says:

Stop sucking up to Andy fans.

This is Andy and Nole thread if you haven’t noticed, so we are quite entitled to discuss Nole, there is new Andy thread, you can go there and continue sucking up to Andy fans on that one.


Markus Says:

The more I read about Wog Boy’s posts, the more it becomes obvious that he is really a narrowminded selfish boor who sucks up to people who suck up to him.


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

I knew it wouldn’t be long before internecine war broke out. This is tennis-x after all.


BBB Says:

No football scores to report, skeezer? How about basketball?


chrisford1 Says:

Sounds like Skeezer is prepping for a new player to cheer for, believing the end is well neigh near for his last fave, I guess.


Danica Says:

Skeez,
I really don’t see where we, Nole fans, missed the point. Everything written about Nole on this thread is related to the topic and discussion. I also did not notice that anyone was trying to diminish or belittle Andy’s success and deserved YE#1.


skeezer Says:

@Danica
Surely you don’t think my opinions are directed towards you, or the likes of courban. I have observed you both from afar and have seen you post back when Nole was up and coming. Unlike these late wannabees. He is a great warrior and has made his own mark on tennis history. Its the fair weather Novak fans I am talking to who trash any other player but Nole and have an excuse for any failure. U all know who, and cover by talking ethnic and political garbage. I apologize if any offense has been felt, Novak had all in all a fantastic year. He’ll be back.


lakie Says:

Oh WB, I will accept your word for it that TB is knowledgeable. So that means we have to accept what he said about players being asked to give walk overs etc is true. In which case it looks like ATP is hell bent on trying to promote Nole as #1 and is rigging draws to give him cupcakes and asking players to retire or withdraw or play passively to get 1 and 1 so Nole can get to the finals fresh as a daisy (as in USO and WTF). But once there, he is on his own as he would be meeting the guy who has fought his way through the tough other half.
Curious to see whom ATP would be rigging draws and fixing matches for next year. Wait for AO. Whoever gets a cupcake draw is the man.Right?


skeezer Says:

@Markus
Yep. And add sour grapes syndrome to that…


lakie Says:

I always find skeez’s posts very sensible and often witty and entertaining. Too bad the Nole fans cannot recognize value.


Okiegal Says:

@J Kath…..Thanks for the “hairy” Rafa story! I had wondered if he would ever do this and by jove he has! I am with Mira, I can not wait to see the finished project! Hopefully he will get to do this again>>>>πŸ’‡πŸ’‡πŸ’‡! Lol


Okiegal Says:

Congratulations to all Andy fans! I have not seen the match…… was out of pocket all day, but I will be watching a replay soon. Andy has just killed it this year and I know you guys are busting your buttons! To grab the number one spot was a tall order but he showed a lot of poise on court and got the job done. Thank goodness Ivan chose to coach him again. Is he Andy’s kryptonite?? Lol Seriously, I think he is the perfect fit for Andy……and I bet Andy is glad he’s back in his corner! Good job Andy! The win today put the icing on the cake!!!


Margot Says:

Lol skeeze: “new kid on the block!” Not strictly accurate, but I like it!
The champers was great, thank you.Still beaming, as I hope all Andy fans first and second class are and those like you who admire his grit and determination. BTW he’s promised to get better! Yahoo!
Nole had an amazing 12 months leading up to an apparently life-long ambition to achieve RG. Don’t be too sad guys and girls. No-one can diminish what he has done.


Danica Says:

Hi Margot,
Thanks for nice words ;). Believe you me, I am not sad at all that Nole lost, not even disappointed. I consider this 2016 another great year of his. Even in the second half of the season, he did have some great results. Losses are part of sport and life and he was always beaten by a better guy. Nothing to cry over ;). I would only like for him to win Cincy once and as far as I am concerned, everything more is just a bonus.

This is now Andy’s time. He was patient, he waited for his moment, he improved, he looked for solutions, he fought… He managed and deserved the top spot. It would be quite unfair if he did not achieve it as he is a great player. He is my #2 in terms of the game and personality. There are things I read that I love about him: sold his fancy car he won as it didn’t seem right to show off in it in Surrey; traveling economy when on short distance flights (within Europe)… The fact that he survived a school massacre as a wee lad is one thing more that maybe added to his determination. Andy fans, yes, your time to beam ;)


J-Kath Says:

Great wee lassie, Danica.


Willow Says:

I Just wanted to wish all Tennis-X posters, HAPPY HOLIDAYS ;-)), now that the tennis season is almost closed XXXX ….


Willow Says:

Danica nice post, a once terrified little boy, rising to the top to become the worlds best tennis player, same with Nole before, these two players are an inspiration ;-)) ….


Khb Says:

Wog boy, it’s funny. Those who can barely learn a 2nd language always badmouth the multilingual people. Strange how these Fed fans criticize you for mocking the comments here. Their hero Fed was upset that Novak was the only one that made Fed look horrific on every surface, year after year!

It’s extra ironic because a few fedmurray fans always kiss each other’s deluded asses while being condescending pricks.
Too bad novak won’t lose all year and fedal still is far better than Murray, their leftover idol…


skeezer Says:

@Khb,
As always, thanks for the obsessive attention you give Fed and his fans.πŸ‘
He has been missed.


J-Kath Says:

To Khb

1) I don’t think multilingualism is the problem.

2)You indicate that Wogboy will share your views – then shoot yourself in the foot with:

“Too bad novak won’t lose all year”

Good luck with that.

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