Djokovic v Thiem, Nadal v Carreno Busta; French Open Tuesday Picks And Pans
by Sean Randall | June 5th, 2017, 5:13 pm
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Nine days in on the men’s side at the French Open and things have gone pretty much according to form. Seven of Top 8 seeds remain with only No. 5 Milos Raonic missing the QF party, and that to no one’s surprise really.

And really, there’s weren’t many surprises over the first four rounds. There was, what I think, a poor performance from the French. JW Tsonga losing in the first to …What was his name? Renzo Olivo?

Richard Gasquet had no fight in him yesterday against Gael Monfils, and today Monfils had little to offer Stan Wawrinka – there was never a feeling Gael could win it. Lucas Pouille also fell a little flat up 2-sets-to-1 on Albert Ramos-Vinolas. And if you blinked you missed Gilles Simon.

Alexander Zverev was also a big disappointment getting dismissed by vet Fernando Verdasco. It was a tough draw, yes, but guess what, Zverev is going to face a lot of tough draws in Slams with the expectation that he now gets through. And he’s going to have to start winning those. And I’m sure he will like Karen Khachanov did. The big 6-foot-6 21-year-old from Russia powered his way into the fourth round proving he’s going to be a force for many years.

It was tough to see Juan Martin Del Potro limping around again, though he did have some good moments against Murray. Bad luck for David Goffin turning his ankle and it was tough to watch Nicolas Almagro breaking down after hurting his knee again. Steve Johnson was everyone’s sentimental favorite – how could you not feel for him.

And what in the world has happened to Grigor Dimitrov?

As for the top guys, other than Rafael Nadal, it’s been a little patchy. Novak Djokovic’s looked good at times, then bad. Andy Murray is playing better, but not exceptional. Wawrinka’s been winning in straights, but not in dominating fashion. But Marin Cilic and Dominic Thiem look razor sharp.

So with just six days left, the quarterfinals begin tomorrow. To the matches.

Rafael Nadal v Pablo Carreno Busta

Rafa’s got his game in gear and thus far he’s lost only 20 games in 12 sets. Granted, he’s had a nice draw up to Robert Bautista Agut but even he got destroyed. So what’s going to happen to first time Grand Slam quarterfinalist Pablo Carreno Busta when he meets the King of Clay? Well, he’s going to get busted up, also.

PCB has a big game for a Spaniard. Big serve, good of the backhand and moves well. And unlike RBA, he’s a better fit on the clay. The problem is, this is his first quarter, he’s never beaten Rafa before and he comes off a 5-set win over Milos Raonic, his first Top 10 win in 17 tries.

And he’s in awe of Rafa. He’s friends with him. He’s happy. He’s got to be satisfied. Meanwhile, Nadal is starving. PCB will get at least nine games but nine isn’t enough if my math is right.
The Pick: Nadal in three

Novak Djokovic v Dominic Thiem
Thanks to the funky French scheduling (do you really need to schedule Novak and Rafa at the same time?), the match of the day and maybe the best quarter of the bunch is over on Suzanne Lenglen. And that of course if not Wozniacki-Ostapenko but instead Djokovic-Thiem.

Djokovic has won all five from Thiem dropping just one set. He whipped him at the French last year in the semifinals and whipped him even worse in Rome a few weeks ago. I’ll give Thiem a pass for the French semi – it was his first big stage match – and a small one for Rome – ok, he was tired and he came off an emotional with over Rafa.

But, it’s still 5-0 Djokovic and 12-1 in sets.

Thiem’s played better than Novak this week but like last year, who’s Dominic played of worth? Zeballos? Bolelli? Tomic? Johnson? Not exactly top tier threats on clay. But to his credit he took care of business and as he should have, he didn’t lose a set.

Djokovic has lost a couple sets during a head-scratching performance against Diego Schwartzman. And he’s been so-so in his other matches, though turned it on late against Ramos-Vinolas yesterday.

On form this year Thiem should win this. With his power off the ground, his angles he can create. But I just get a sneaky feeling Djokovic is going to summon that winning formula, channel some Andre Agassi, and take it. And that head-to-head is too much to ignore. Mentally, if Thiem goes down early it could turn into another blowout.
The Pick: Djokovic in four

The forecast I’ve heard calls for some rain, but I don’t think that makes much of a difference. Both Rafa and Novak have the experience in all conditions. And I think they get through to our dream Friday semifinal! Though maybe Thiem really ignores that 0-5 deficit, treats it as a new opponent and figures out a better approach. We’ll see.

Tennis Channel has live coverage of the quarters starting with the women at 8an ET.

TUESDAY FRENCH OPEN SCHEDULE
Philippe-Chatrier Court 2:00 PM
Kristina Mladenovic (FRA) [13] vs. Timea Bacsinszky (SUI) [30]
Pablo Carreno Busta (ESP) [20] vs. Rafael Nadal (ESP) [4]

Suzanne-Lenglen Court 2:00 PM
Jelena Ostapenko (LAT) vs. Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) [11]
Dominic Thiem (AUT) [6] vs. Novak Djokovic (SRB) [2]


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158 Comments for Djokovic v Thiem, Nadal v Carreno Busta; French Open Tuesday Picks And Pans

RZ Says:

Carreno Busta is not going to busta any brackets (sorry, could help it).

Go Thiem!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

This is the quietest this forum has been for a grand slam that I’ve seen – and I’ve been here many years.

Anywhoo, I’ll be happy for Novak if he wins, but I’d love to see a youth breakthrough, and I’ll be cheering for Thiem. Really looking forward to this one.


Travis Bickle Says:

Hey Tennis Homeless,

No, you won’t be happy if Novak wins, it’s your trademarked PC bullshit.

You always cheer for Novak’s opponent, same as Giles. Except, Giles is honest and openly admits he is not happy when Novak wins and wants him to lose every time. Giles’ honesty and consistency in hate should be respected.

You are free to cheer against and for whomever you want, but I am kinda fed up with all those “new age” Novak haters who say publicly they are happy for his triumphs but then always cheer for his opponents for various reasons (youth this time…) I bet you didn’t cheer for a 25 year old Cilic (for a youth breakthrough reasons) in the 2014 USO semi when he played a 33 year old Federer…

Let me try your shtick:
I am always happy for Federer if he wins, but since I love to see younger guys succeed, I ALWAYS vigorously cheer for Federer’s opponent unless it is Haas or Karlovic who are older than Fed.
Also, this Wimbledon, I’ll be really-really happy for Federer to get his 19th slam and 8th Wimbledon, but will cheer for his qualifier opponent in 1st round because it’d be nice to see a qualifier breakthrough… but believe me, I’ll be very happy if Federer wins ;-) And I’ll be sad if he loses, but happy for his opponent, etc… blah, blah, blahhhhhhh…


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Hahaha.

Thanks for that.


chrisford1 Says:

It is quiet in this forum for a Slam, I agree. Some interesting things for fans of all varieties could happen.

1. Yes, Roger not being here is very interesting for Federer fans, perhaps.
2. The slow fading away of David Ferrer, Tomas Berdych, JO Tsonga became obvious here at this FO.
3. La Decima, the only one really hyped.
4. The chance of Thiem arriving as a possible Top 5 player should he take out Djoko. Thiem is already in the Yop 10 and will not be leaving it for many years bar injury, IMO.
5. Murray, trying to show he is not a fluke #1 and can get back to his winning ways. Yes, he has physical issues, but the Rankings system doesn’t care.
6. Djokovic has low expectations thanks to Djokovic. (with a little help fromn Pepe, his wife, and brother Marco.)
So all his fans wait to see if he is on track again with Andre. A win over Thiem could help, upsetting Rafa in the form Rafa is in would establish his Mojo is back. A title, as remote that possibility seems today would mean he is the 1st player in the Open Era to win a double career slam.


James Says:

Quiet on this forum – yes, that’s what happens when federer is not playing. Nobody else is really that exciting.

Nextgen? We’ll see what Thiem has got.

So far, this looks like Nadal’s 10th in 22 sets (he will lose one set to Djokovic in the semi).

After that the forum will come alive starting Stuttgart!


JM01 Says:

Weather conditions may favour Thiem, Novak hates playing in windy conditions. Going with Thiem in four. Thiem has been serving and returning well so far in this tournament and should not have any in problem in dealing with Novak’s serve.


Nits Says:

All eyes on Djokovic Thiam today


Sivaji Says:

Thiem may win over Novak in 5 sets


Van Persie Says:

They play on Suzanne Lenglen, this will be an advantage for Djoko, as the court is faster.
Djoko in 4, if not in 3!


Van Persie Says:

Djoko is taking the ball earlier, in the rise….Thiem loves it to have the time to react and Rafa is giving him this time, but not Djoko. Do not think Thiem can change this over night.


Wog Boy Says:

TB,

You couldn’t be more right 👍

VP,

The more I read you the more I respect you 👍


Wog Boy Says:

TB,

That’s same soft speaking Canadian that expects and demands chair umpire (with broken eye socket) to have some sense of humor, what a boofhead.
Same soft speaking Canadian who was nowhere to be seen when Nole was kicking shit out of his favorite, going camping with his kids or some other BS excuses, check TX threads after Nole kick the shit out of his favorite..nowhere to be seen, it usually took him him few days to post something, sort of sensible 🇷🇸


Willow Says:

Well for me, ive always found Tennis Vagabond, to be one of the fairest and most clever and knowledgeable posters on this forum, he doesnt belittle other posters and their opinions, and is a good reader of the game, hes a Federer fan but you find it difficult to tell because of the way he talks about all the other all time greats, hes said what an amazing player Novak is on a number of occasions, and how he doesnt care about the whole GOAT thing, and records are there to be broken, he also wrote his own book called THE FLOOD which is on kindle, along the lines of THE LORD OF THE FLIES, which i read and it was brilliant, and i think he should write more, my two cents, because i couldnt let this one go sorry, although im probably throwing a stone on a wasps nest ….


Wog Boy Says:

Nothing against Nole…but, cut the crap, will you??


Willow Says:

TV Never insulted anyone, i never insulted anyone, yet we were both personally insulted, as per usual when it comes to having a reasonable dicussion, some people just dont listen ….


Wog Boy Says:

Nothing against Nole…but…


Willow Says:

Its pathetic ….


Okiegal Says:

……and Novak may win over Theim in straights……


Willow Says:

Okie i think so too, Novak seems to be finding his groove, how are you BTW ? good to see you here ;-) ….


Wog Boy Says:

The same soft speaking Canadian, literature asked for Nalbandian to be executed for accidentally injuring line judge, but at the same time expects Chair Umpire to have a sense of humor aftrer “Canadian” deliberately hit the ball towards the stands breaking the eye socket of the chair umpire on the way!
I guess Nalbandian was Argentinian and the other one was Canadian, sort of, that was the difference?


J-Kath Says:

Chrisford 1 says:

“Yes, Roger not being here is very interesting for Federer fans, perhaps.”

However, there’s a “Who will win the FO” poll on one site and Federer is included among the possible Winners. So far he’s gained 24% of the vote…..

…..I’m walking around with a bag of frozen peas on my head to reduce the inflammation.


Okiegal Says:

@Willow…,…Got in from my long road trip yesterday evening….6300 milles to be exact. Had a great time and saw some amazing things. It’s good to be home in time to go to the French Open…,,,,I’m hoping for number 10….just can’t help myself! Lol btw it’s nice to be missed! Hope all is well with you!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Great thread!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Willow, thanks for the comments on the Flood. That’s very kind.


Danica Says:

Nole, Nole, Nole…!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Travis, I’m sorry to disappoint you as a fan, but I don’t hate any players. I can cheer against players without a deep personal vendetta. Its not a war to me, its a game. There’s no evil villains, just athletes.

I find the visceral hate fans here have of rival players creepy and unhinged. But knock yourself out!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

It just occurred to me that I missed an opportunity to respond with “Are you talking to me? Well there’s no one else here!”
Next time, Travis.


Wog Boy Says:

” I can cheer against players without a deep personal vendetta.”
Really?

“Tennis Vagabond Says:
That is really an incredible video.

The body language and interview after the fact are quite deplorable. First, he really doesn’t look like someone who just realizes he’s injured someone: the normal reaction would be a shocked rush to the injured person a hand on their shoulder, words like “Oh my god! I;m so sorry! Are you alright!” Watch the video and tell me if it looks like that’s what David is doing. Looks more like he’s leaning away from the injured person, wondering how he can get out of here incognito. And then the apology- a quick sorry and then on to how unfair this all is to him.

(and MadMax, context for a tantrum is critical. You can punch the air and no one will consider you a criminal, but if that air happens to contain a face, its a whole different story isn’t it?)

DAVID NALBANDIAN: You are Tennis-X’s PUTZ OF THE WEEK!

June 18th, 2012 at 9:29 pm”

..and what this soft speaking Canadian said about his “Canadian” countryman who broke eye socket of the chair umpire?
Well, that soft speaking Canadian said that chair umpire needed some sense of humor!?


Willow Says:

Theres enough hatred going on in the world without bringing it into sport, and no i dont hate any player either, no matter what other posters choose to believe, and squat i can do about that, seems to be no point trying to reason with some people as they just wont or dont want to listen anyway, and with everything thats going on at the moment, you would think people would just lighten up a bit ….


Wog Boy Says:

Nothing against you…but…


Willow Says:

Okie glad you enjoyed it, im going on one of my own soon :-) ….


Daniel Says:

Go with Djoko also, THiem has the power, but his serve is also attackable and Djoko is returning better and better with each match.

I would just like to see him unleash some return winners, sometime. But I guess as it´s lcay he knows there is no need to it, retunr deep mid court. But I like those shots, it´s an itimidating weapon and can give you an ocasionally DF, as the server knows you may junmp on his second serve. JUst to make them second guess a bit more.

I think Djoko will have another great performance vc Thiem today and once in semis, 2 matches away, anyone can win it.


skeezer Says:

Can hear a lot of crickets…..bring on Wimby!
This FO will be remembered for “taking too much time” to win. What a crutch. Yawn. Umpires have no b@lls..


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Man, looks like we’ll have to wait till tomorrow.
Should be a feast of tennis.


lylenubbins Says:

@ chris ford: As a long time Novak watcher, I have noticed a tendency to lose matches where the crowd really wants his opponent to win, like with Murray at Wimbledon. It might be that, if he plays Rafa, Novak psychologically will let himself settle for reaching the semis since that is a good result given where he has been lately and since Rafa is the sentimental favorite and is playing well.

Obviously that is speculative but something to keep in mind.


kriket Says:

Hopefully Novak wins and then we get to watch the Novak-Rafa slugfest in the semis. Because if Thiem wins he’s just gonna lose to Nadal and we know Rafa has another RG in the bag. He already has it by many accounts but the only one who can pull an upset over Rafa is Novak – history teaches us that.
And beyond this match I hope Novak returns to his winning form, for he is the only one to stop Federer from winning 100 GS titles.
Just look at what would have happened if there wasn’t for Novak last few years. Roger would have at least 21 slams under his belt now, those are just the finals he lost in Wimby ’14′/15 and USO ’15, where he more/less had a cakewalk through to the finals where only Novak was able to stop him. He beat Murray comfortably on numerous occasions, Wimbledon ’15, USO ’15 I think also, but he couldn’t get past Đoković.
It would have been like this years AO for Fed, all those slams, if it wasn’t for Novak.


kriket Says:

lylenubbins, you really don’t know what you’re talking about. Rafa is by no means a crowd favorite at RG, in fact they nicknamed him “Ogre” I think. I’m not saying that Novak is the crowd favorite, not at all, but neither is Rafa.


kriket Says:

And historically Novak always kinda drew his power from the underdog status, just remember the USO ’15 vs Fed, where the crowd openly boooed him, just like in Wimbledon and many other occasions, when he would come out on top.


Okiegal Says:

@Willow…Good for you! Have fun and be safe and hang on to your purse. Don’t go to California that’s where we got our purses stolen….,,sorry prune pickers! Never ever want to go to that state again!! Bad experience….,,,

Now about the French Open! Loving clay tennis…..I watched some replays all night and because of the rain I got to see the King whoop up on Agut..,,,and maybe just maybe he’ll get all of those mean umpires straightened out about time violations! BOORAH!!
@Willow……my friends I travel with,,,,his wife told me this morning our next trip is going to be a tennis tournament for me! They hate tennis but they want me to get my bucket list checked off one by one! They are so good to me. I wish there was clay here in the states….,.that would be the ultimate…watching the King of Clay on clay…,Love the red dirt ….,as I said the other day it reminds me of Oklahoma …,,lots of red clay here……..


Willow Says:

Okie i wont be leaving the counrty, ill be seeing friends in our campervan around GB, however at the moment know where seems safe right now, so i dont know if its a good thing or not, and sadly something else has happened at Notre Damn cathedral so they were saying, i suppose we will find out though soon enough :-( ….


Daniel Says:

Did they call it quit for the matches today? rad somehwere that will rain until 8 pm local time. All mens QF for tomorrow for sure. Will have to “feel sick” and skip work


Daniel Says:

Agree kriket, the French don´t love Nadal like that. This year maybe they will lean more towards him due to him coming back, 3 years without a Slam, but there was a point they could stand him winning RG anymore. We´ll soon find out if they are pro La Decima or not.


RZ Says:

@Daniel – I was also thinking that the French crowd may be more appreciative of Nadal this year, considering he hasn’t won the title for 3 years, and if he plays against Djokovic there’s the fact that Djokovic won last year.


RZ Says:

@Willow – My attitude is that unless people are planning to go to a war zone or a location where the situation is really dire, they should go ahead and travel. Sure bad stuff happens every now and then that scares them off, but there’s often a greater possibility of everyday bad stuff happening at home base (e.g., car accidents, food poisoning, shootings, earthquakes, etc.). Go and enjoy yourself.


Okiegal Says:

@Skeezer…….here ya’ go 🎾🎾🎾🎾🎾🎾!!! BOORAH!….
Love this new word I learned from another poster…forgot who it was???? Did see the movie starring Al Pacino…..loved it….but the name of the movie has escaped me atm???


Okiegal Says:

Rain, rain go away…..this rain delay is wearing me thin!! Surely they will call it a day……


Okiegal Says:

I just now saw a clip of Roger and Mira having a cool encounter after he FINALLY won Roland Garros….sweet moment between the loving couple.

Tournament just now called….


Giles Says:

Skeezer. As Mark Nixon would say GO AWAY!! Lol


Willow Says:

RZ Its not like i can afford to go abroad anyway anytime soon, but i always do enjoy my time away visiting friends, and going to our Pagan rituals etc, have friends all over the country leading this lifestyle im happy to say, i have a friend that cancelled a trip to a Robbie Williams concert in Manchester at the weekend because she was scared after the recent terrorist attacks which is a shame, i dont think i could let anything stop me seeing someone like that :-) ….


Okiegal Says:

Oopsy…….Roger and Mirka…….not Mira……hope I didn’t offend anyone named Mira……. my sincerest apologies…….


RZ Says:

@Willow – sometimes the safest time to go somewhere is right after an incident. Vigilence and security is higher then.


Okiegal Says:

@Willow 1:07

Yep, our world is in dire straights atm……no place is safe. Terrorism is a household word these days……I hate what has happened in the UK……horrible and disgusting….I was fussing about having my purse stolen….it could have been worse…. I could have been shot and lost it in a really horrible crime……


Margot Says:

RZ: London has been on high alert since the incident when a van was driven into people on Westminster Bridge and a policeman was stabbed outside the House of Commons, so alas your argument doesn’t follow. The same with security in Paris. But it can’t possibly stop every determined terrorist.
BTW not too many earthquakes or shootings in the UK ;)


RZ Says:

@Margot – fair point, but those are different locations within the U.K. I was thinking Manchester’s stadium would be safe a few days after an incident (though of course one never knows). And you are right that nothing can possibly stop every determined terrorist.

But statistically I’m more likely to get shot or get into a bad car accident here in the U.S. than someone getting injured in an attack in the U.K.


Okiegal Says:

@RZ…….When we’re passing through Kingman AZ there was a shoot out between policemen and a man they were in hot pursuit of from a town 1 hr away from Kingman. This happened about a half block from our motel. In San Francisco 4 cars were broken into while we were having breakfast at Mel’s diner…..broad open daylight in the diner parking lot….crazy….I’m glad we made it home safe and sound!


Okiegal Says:

@RZ….I agree you can’t stop doing things you want to do out of fear…… that’s what the terrorist thrives on…..


RZ Says:

@Okie – what a crazy trip for you! I guess the likelihood of being a caught up in a shooting or being hit by a crazy driver is why I go ahead and travel places and don’t let incident stop me (though it’s not like I’m going places like Syria). TBH I was a little nervous when in Belgium recently because of the incidents there over the last few year, but to a certain extent it comes down to luck and coincidence. Also, perhaps I’ve hardened by the fact that I had moved to Washington, DC exactly one week before 9/11 and was not too far from the Pentagon when the plane hit.


Willow Says:

All the more reason why i get sick of all this silly bickering about what is essentially only a bloody game when all said and done, posters finding an argument with anyone about anything, i mean why ? …


Okiegal Says:

@Willow I would bet my last dollar that the thieves that stole our purses were drugged up…. and when they are in that condition they could less whether they get caught or not…..they want money for the next fix…….


Armend Says:

Great lineup tomorrow :)

It’s a good thing RG doesn’t have four large courts, I’m pretty sure they would have the four matches running simultaneously!


Okiegal Says:

@RZ….Wow…,,,that was a close call…….and the plane that went down because of brave men taking action before it got to the intended target……..they were my heroes!!


AndyMira Says:

@Okie 2:00pm….Awww Miss Jan!!…I didn’t know u think of me that much???Ohohohohoho!!


Okiegal Says:

@Willow 2:42…… Exactly……..why???


Humble Rafa Says:

It is an embarrassment that I have to play the early rounds against these minions. They should grandfather me into the semis.


Humble Rafa Says:

A 100 year old man walking is more impressive than winning the FO 10 times. You have to put it in “perspective”.

#bs


skeezer Says:

HR,
Who’s BS, you or Agassi?
#thinkhard


Danica Says:

Kriket,
Just one interesting thing regarding the USO 2015 when pretty much everyone was chanting Roger’s name. In one of the Serbian TV shows, Novak’s father said he had asked Nole how he felt during those moments. Novak was surprised as if not understanding the question. He
(Novak) said that he heard them cheer “Nole, Nole”. Tells you something about focus and mental strength.


Danica Says:

I read that article about Rafa and the nickname “The Ogre”. While the article is complimentary towards Rafa, calling him The Ogre is totally uncalled for. One wonders why. It could be the reference to one of the biggest French novels of the 20th century, “The Ogre” by Michael Tournier. But then again, I fail to find the connection. Rafa is anything but. Specially when he was 18-19-20 years old.


wilfried Says:

@kriket June 6th, 2017 at 12:21 pm
That article from baseline.tennis.com to which you gave us the hyperlink, doesn’t mention that Rafa was suspected of using PED, and that parts of the crowd didn’t like him for that reason.
As for their behavior towards Djokovic, in 2016 the french crowd clearly cheered Novak Djokovic on in the Roland Garros final, not Murray.


Van Persie Says:

Should Nole and Rafa play on Friday, I have the feeling, the crowds would treath both with respect this time. Who knows, if they will play against each other at the French in the years to follow, cause Winter will come for the Big 4 at some point.
The French cheered for Nole last year, they felt for him, when he lost to Wawa in 2015, they appreciate him because of the big matches against Rafa at the FO.
They will also be nice to Rafa this year, he is the biggest FO champion of all times.


Navdeep Says:

My goodness! how deep thiem hits with his backhand!


squirrel Says:

Djoko’s BHDTL is not working..come on Nole!!


squirrel Says:

Yeah, Thiem’s backhand is super deep..something about him ticks me off, he looks a bit cocky i dare day?


gonzalowski Says:

Great first set! 6 first points of the tie break, won by the rester.
The TB, both with knife on the teeth.
Thiem saved 2 set p. earlier in the set.


squirrel Says:

Thiem got the set. What a horrible backhand from Nole, arghhh


Anto Says:

Nole playing very bad at times.


Nits Says:

Tough set could have gone Djokovic way


Van Persie Says:

Do not see the match, but I saw he missed some opportunities.


Van Persie Says:

Still think he will make it in 4


Anto Says:

if thiem takes the second set, he have a good chance.


Van Persie Says:

^^ If Thiem gets the 2 set, then I obviously underestimated him


Anto Says:

Btw PCB retirement makes this, I think, the 7th retiring in this French Open. Is this some kinda record?


gonzalowski Says:

Whatever happens from here ahead at RG, it appears that Rafa will be rested for the final, and for WB too, don’t you think?


Nits Says:

Thiem three games away from taking the second set.


Nits Says:

Wimbledon is far off before that he will be playing somewhere on grass I think for preparation.


gonzalowski Says:

I think Nole is a bit too thin, skinny


Anto Says:

Man thiem is really doing a good job so far.


Anto Says:

OMG thiem did take the second set. It is gonna be intresting


Navdeep Says:

Thiem 2 sets to love up !


Van Persie Says:

Well, I guess it’s over.
The good thing: it was his best tournament since FO 2016. Do not count UO2016, where he benefitted over 2-3 retirements. He’s on a good path.


Van Persie Says:

^^ his best GS tournament, correction.


Anto Says:

Now thiem lead by two sets and a break. Now from this position surely thiem is not going to lose right?


Anto Says:

Wtf is happening here. thiem a double break up


the_mind_reels Says:

Make that two sets and a double-break. Djokovic is just rolling over right now.


Anto Says:

Now as a Nadal fan I am sacred. Will this be the start of a new era? Will thiem will it all


Navdeep Says:

Now 4-0 up in 3rd set. Novak please don’t get bagelled


Van Persie Says:

I think Thiem whant’s it all, but can he? I would say, no chance. But I said the same regarding today, so, who knows?


Anto Says:

Has djokovic ever been bagelled in a GS match?


squirrel Says:

Bagel on its way..poor Nole. I don’t know what’up with hium, very poor level and he was all that against Thiem two weeks ago.

Congrats Thiem I guess but no way he’s beating Rafar, he’ll just take one set I guess.

Again, what’s up with Nole? :(


Navdeep Says:

Thiem now serve for the match.A brilliant performance from him but Novak is really below par


Anto Says:

two points away from victory and a bagel for Nole


Anto Says:

he did it. Un-f**king-believable.


Van Persie Says:

And he got a bagel. Do not know, but guess it’s the first time for him.
Congrats to Thiem. He got he’s revenge now.


Navdeep Says:

Omg! A straight set victory for thiem. Really unbelievable


Wog Boy Says:

Congrats to Thiem, well done.


the_mind_reels Says:

What a demolition derby in that final set! Poor Novak looked content just watching the balls go by him.

I’m not sure what happened to the guy’s fighting spirit. Seems like either the partnership with Agassi may take a bit more time to bear fruit if it’s going to work; or, it may just be that it doesn’t matter whom Djokovic teams up with because if he doesn’t show up on any given day, no advice will work regardless of who’s talking.


Van Persie Says:

WB,

Did Nole play so poorly? The 3 set was a killer


Temple Says:

Novak Djokovic has been bageled twice in Slams, by Safin in his first ever match and Monfils, but it’s not really the bagel that matters here…


Giles Says:

Geeeez! What happened to joker? A bit strange to say the least.


Wog Boy Says:

VP,

Yes, he did, he is just a mess.


Van Persie Says:

WB,

Didi not see this coming. Had no expectations at the beginning of the tournament but got high hopes afterwards…
have to really get used to this new Nole.
Truth is: he will need more time to get to the form from the last years, if he really wants it


Van Persie Says:

WB,

At the beginning of the tournament (when I thought Nole would leave the tournament in the first week) I put a bet on a beer (with my father in law), that Thiem get’s the FO this year. My father in law can’t stand Thiem. Looks like I have a shot at that beer. LOL


Wog Boy Says:

The bagel is the least of the problem, agree. Nole was playing like buddhist monk, no fighting spirit, no aggression, just indifferent, ten Agassis won’t help him, they messed up his head, that idiot of his brother and his “business” partner Pepe, he is finished.


Margot Says:

Wow! First Rafa now Nole.
Next gen Thiem is the real deal.😎😍😏🙌


Van Persie Says:

WB,

If that’s so, glad I did not see the match…


Wog Boy Says:

VP,
I don’t think Thiem will pass Rafa, but I can see rain predictions for Friday, that doesn’t suit Rafa’s game. Why your father in law doesn’t like Thiem?


Wog Boy Says:

VP,
Look on the bright side, Rafa would’ve demolished this Nole, so I prefer he lost to Thiem, besides, I like Thiem.


Van Persie Says:

WB,

Father in law remembers a match Thiem-Djoko from Miami last year, I guess. and he did not like Thiem’s body language. Since then, he hates Thiem, no matter what he does…


Wog Boy Says:

That’s true, he can be cocky.


Daniel Says:

WTHekc.
Wake up snd check scores and matches were bummer. Not surprised by Busta returning but Djoko losing in straights to Thiem and bagel third set?!?!?!?!

Man, reading the comments seems Thiem is playing the same level all tournament regarding of his opponent.
H sure do have a shot against Nadal and he has been to semis before here last year, so is not like the inexperience factor. He knows he is a established top 10 now.

Djoko losing 1640 pts and first time since entering Wimbledon 2014 he is not holding a Slam (last year he was holding all 4). Also he will drop to #3 first time since forever, Nadal will move ahead of him just with semis results.

If Wawrinka makes finals, Djoko drops to #4


Van Persie Says:

But I also like Thiem, so agree with you, WB. Better that he lost to Thiem than to Rafa


Okiegal Says:

Got the straights part right in my prediction…..but wrong player. I thought Novak played that third set to get off the court as quick as possible. He’s in a real funk…..he barked at the ball kids a little bit today also. A bad day at the office for him.

@Margot……this kid you are liking made a great showing today. Rafa will have his hands full for sure. Maybe you will see someone from the younger generation get his first slam! He really looked great today…..winning the first set was key…….. Your Andy is still in it. How about Stan. He seems to play his best tennis in a slam and goes away in the lessor tournaments. He’s a hard one to figure out. Good luck to Andy btw……


Daniel Says:

Clash of old and new clay in semis, Nadal the clay GOAT versus Thiem who loves the surface and is 4th on clay wins percentage active players. He sure will be a Roland Garros champion eventually, could very well be this year with the way he is playing.

They are both the in form players of the tuner, him and Nadal reaching semis without losing a set, both distributed 6 6-0 or 6-1 sets each in their run (Nadal could have 2 more of those as Busta returned mid second set). First set will be vital for Thiem, more for his confidence. If he lose it, reality will hit and he may overthink it. Best to keep his mojo going like is just another round.


squirrel Says:

Twitter @carole_bouchard

Asked if he wanna take a break from tennis:”Trust me,I’m thinking about many things right now”.Wow.Novak adds “But I have responsibilities”

——————–

Wow, I am right, Nole really is sick of tennis. Poor soul, he’s just not into it anymore. After w<innign four slams in a row, he deserves a break..he should get it..


chrisford1 Says:

I woke up late, missed Thiem-Rafa. Opened Live Scores expecting to see the match only half way over. Was very surprised when I saw Dom tore him apart.
Just when you are thinking Novak has turned the corner…….

Had a bad thought that even if he does come back, even if Roger retires and Rafa joins Roger in only playing a few events, and Andy reverts to just falling short more often than not, Jokovic may not be winning many more trophies. Kyrgios, A Zverev, and Thiem have all beaten him. An impaired Djokovic, yes, but the writing is on the wall. They are getting better and even if Djokovic dislodges his head from his ass, his skills will decline naturally as he ages.
The next Gen seems to finally have arrived, apologies to Delpo, Kei, Grigor, and Milos who all have been their times David Ferrer – good but no metal cups handed to them. Those guys just are not winning Masters and above for the most part.


Margot Says:

Okiegal: I really like 👍 Dom and Sasha too. And we all know what Stan can in a slam! And after Andy’s poor form coming in, really happy he’s made the second week😍
Glad you enjoyed your trip in spite of mishaps. Where is your nearest tennis 🎾 tournament?


chrisford1 Says:

Only decent news tempered with bad on Djokovics physical state is an interview where he says eggs and fish are part of his diet.

Even that, it is troubling Novak says he hasn’t eaten meat in part due to ethical concerns. Lets hope Djokovic still as a few crumbs of high functioning brain matter left, and he is not joining PETA.


RZ Says:

It’s Thiem Time! (He won’t beat Rafa but I wanted to say that)


shamboozie Says:

Why is everyone so sure Nadal wont be beaten. As if it is his birthright.Nothing wrong with Thiem.


Tennisvel Says:

FYI… If we play tennis with mindset of buddhist monk , no one can beat them.

Only Focus, no distractions in the mind


Tennis Vagabond Says:

CF1, I agree with your comments.

What a match. First set, neither was at his best, but still some incredible tennis. Novak seemed forced to go to Plan-B, lots of variety, which just shows how much Novak has as a player, that he could still fight when his Plan-A, Basic Baseline game, wasn’t working. 2nd set Thiem really picked it up, and Novak’s focus and fight was just not there. Some amazing points here and there, but for the most part, Novak really didn’t have the body language we expect from him.

Thiem was, in the 2nd and 3rd sets, revelatory. Almost as good as he played against Rafa in Rome.


RZ Says:

@shamboozie – I give Thiem a much better chance than I gave Carreno Busta, but Nadal has been in beast mode this whole tournament. Hard for me to see him losing to anyone at Roland Garros, especially over 5 sets.


squirrel Says:

Crazy level play by Wawrinka. Dare I say he could beat Nadal??


Tennis Vagabond Says:

CF1, a long way away, but— if Wawrinka wins the coupe, is he still not in the same historic tranche as Murray? Do we go from a Big 3+1+1 to a Big 3+2?


tennis lover Says:

My two cents on Nadal will be beaten in the semifinal in 4 tight set by Thiem


Willow Says:

Hi Squirrel im hoping for a Murray / Nadal final its the one permation weve never had in a GS final between the tennis elite and both are my favorites, however i digress as you say Stan is playing very well, assuming he gets past Cilic, and then Murray or Nisikori, and Rafa beats DT then he certainly doesnt fear the top players that for sure, if DT beats Rafa and faces Stan i think Stan will get a second FO, but if Stan and Rafa lose and DT faces Murray he loses, but i think he could beat Kie, and now ny head has turned to mush lol ….


Daniel Says:

Murray lost first set 6-2 but is 4-1 second set. That match could go the distance.

Wawa about to break Cilic, will head for a straight set victory and sudenly one of the favorites for the title. With kust 2 matches left he knwos deep in a slam he can beat everybody, and with his perfect 3-0 record in finals he will belive his chances. He doesn´t get intimidated, not even by an in form Nadal if that actually happens.

Let´s see if Murray will recover and beat Kei, he may still hasbe something to said also.


Willow Says:

If DT beats Rafa, then Stan, Cilic, Murray or Nishikori in the final after beating Novak, then thats a possible 5 out of the 6 players left that are GS champions, only Kei that was a RU ….


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Daniel, if my memory isn’t too frazzled, the first glimpse of Wawrinka’s greatness was a USO (losing) match against Rafa during Rafa’s near invincible period. Can’t recall the year.


squirrel Says:

Hi Willow,

Nice to hear from you, been meaning to write specifically to you as I saw you were under attack from someone someone yesterday, but I’m so happy with your gracious replies and above them attitude!

You’re absolutely right, it’s high time we get Nadal-Murray final and the thought of both playing final at each best is mouth-watering…but that’s the problem for me, only Nadal is at his best but not Murray. It would be shame for Murray to lose comprehensively in this case.

Ha ha you’re running lots of scenarios! Impressive! I’m thinking Kei won’t pass Wawrinka and that we’ll have Wawrinka-Nadal or Wawrinka-Thiem. Which one do you prefer??


RZ Says:

@squirrel – if I could pummel my backhand the way Thiem does his, I would look a bit cocky too. :-)


Navdeep Says:

Murray showing exactly what champions are made of.So bad in the lead up tournaments but still hanging here


RZ Says:

@TV – Re: Wawrinka’s first show of brilliance, for me it was the 2013 4th round at the Aussie Open that Djokovic won 12-10 in the 5th set.


RZ Says:

Listening to the Murray-Nishikori match on Radio Roland Garros (since Margot would hunt me down if I watched Murray play), I have to think of how apt the Murray’s Masochists name is.


Willow Says:

Squirrel lol, i just want Rafa winning the title if he gets to the final, second favorite would be Murray if he got there and Rafa didnt, if its DT or Stan i do like both so i wouldnt care who won, i think Stan is in better form, and a better CC player than Murray at the moment though, maybe a Stan / Rafa final would be a better one ….

As for the personal attacks, ive tried to be reasonable but certain people just dont listen so its pointless, maybe i shoulnt have jumped in the fray when i saw another poster that i respect alot being attacked ….


Truth Says:

I don’t buy the “amazing improvement” and “lights out tennis from his opponent” hyperbole bullcrap.
If everyone was so great, how come Djoker wasn’t swept away in 80 minutes, without letting Djoker delay the match much with show pony arguments with the umpire or ball bouncing?

Djoker’s gone forever. That’s it. No need to hang onto hope for him.
He’s living a lie now.


Daniel Says:

Nice win by Murray.
Many of the remaining could win the title.

I think this odds at this point.
Nadal 50%
Wawrinka 30%
Murray 10%
Thiem 10%


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Daniel, sounds close, but I can’t believe Rafa’s odds are ONLY a coin flip as of the semifinals. After all, he was favoured against the WHOLE field before he won a match.

More like 60, 20, 10, 10.


squirrel Says:

@RZ

Haha yeah fair enough, his BH is amazing..


squirrel Says:

Well then, Rafa-Murray would be your dream final, i cross my finfers for you for Nadal or Murray victory :)

Yeah, you were just defending a post, rightly so, I checked the book The Truth, sounds interesting, I’ll to give it a try this summer :)

Ignore those rude posts!


Okiegal Says:

@Margot 8:53…..The closest one l Ada is Mason, Ohio…….but we’re going to do the one in Florida, the one Rafa’s never won. Friends I go to church with loved the one in Mason. Reasonably priced and they loved the laid back venue. Buying tickets to see your favorite can back fire……read hard luck stories on TX all time……should Rafa not be there I would still love seeing top guys. Seems like tennis and viruses go hand in hand……


Willow Says:

Squirrel thanks, and not long till Federers back now :-) ….


chrisford1 Says:

TV – “CF1, a long way away, but— if Wawrinka wins the coupe, is he still not in the same historic tranche as Murray? Do we go from a Big 3+1+1 to a Big 3+2?”

I think you are saying another Stan win would possibly put him at Andy’s level. Thing is, there is no comparison between Andy and Stan in terms of stats and titles, ranking points over the years. We remember Stan’s great days, but far more often are the events he plays where he eventually loses because he plays a sucky match.
Andy has all those Slam RUPs, 14 Masters 1000 titles compared to Stan’s 1, more 500 titles, 1 WTF trophy and 2 gold medals.

Had Stan not been so cowed by being honored to be from the same country as the Maestro and had the same confidence, self belief in his earlier years, Stans stats would be better.

What’s important the way I see it is Big 3, Big 4 or the Fedal duopoly in years gone by – is that it is historical and in the here and now, Andy and Novak cannot be considered in the mix until they win titles again. But Stan is! Thiem is! Rafa is! and we will see if Feds late winter-early spring winning spree was a last glorious fluke. But Fed right now is in contention.

Who could have predicted this time of year what would befall Andy and Novak??? That’s what makes sports so compelling for many…..outcomes are rarely certain. Rafa playing a WTA star, perhaps, but he could hurt his knee and the girl wins, one time out of 100 million chances.


Khojie Says:

Wawrinka-Thiem match, although 99.99% unlikely to happen, can be a great match. Would love to see the one-handed backhands firing from both ends of the court.

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