Early Test for Murray, Others in Loaded Field at Aegon/Queen’s Club; ATP Preview
by Staff | June 17th, 2017, 4:06 pm
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World No. 1 Andy Murray debuts on the grass courts for 2017 at the Aegon Championships in front of the home crowd, looking for his third consecutive title and sixth career at the Queen’s Club.


He is joined by three other Top 10ers, including three other former champions. The draw is loaded with first-round popcorn matches, including early challenges for Murray and No. 2 seed Stan Wawrinka.

Here’s a look at the draw:

AEGON CHAMPIONSHIPS
QUEEN’S CLUB, London, England; surface: grass

Seeds: Andy Murray, Stan Wawrinka, Milos Raonic, Marin Cilic, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Grigor Dimitrov, Tomas Berdych, Nick Kyrgios

Floaters: Sam Querrey, Gilles Muller, John Isner, Donald Young, Ryan Harrison, Nicolas Mahut, Daniil Medvedev, Feliciano Lopez

Notes: Four of the Top 10 in attendance — should this storied event not be a Masters 1000 or Stupid 9 or whatever they’re marketing the top events as nowadays?…

Some brutal opening and early-round match-ups for top players including (1) Murray second round vs. Querrey, (5) Tsonga second round vs. Muller, (4) Cilic vs. Isner, (9) Kyrgios vs. Young, (6) Dimitrov vs. Harrison, (3) Raonic vs. (WC) Thanasi Kokkanakis (winner to meet the Mahut-Medvedev winner), and (2) Wawrinka vs. F-Lo…

Wildcards went to the Aussie Kokkinakis and Brits Cameron Norrie and James Ward…

Pulling from the event were Rafael Nadal, Juan Martin del Potro, David Goffin, Diego Schwartzman and Jack Sock…

The five-time champion Bryan brothers are the fourth (!) seeds in the doubles…

Murray beat Raonic in last year’s final for his second consecutive title…

Former champs in the field are Murray (2016-15,’13,’11,’09), Dimitrov (2014), Cilic (2012), and Querrey (2010).

 


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89 Comments for Early Test for Murray, Others in Loaded Field at Aegon/Queen’s Club; ATP Preview

AndyMira Says:

@M!…Shout a BIG HI to Andy for me!!…And please wear a shirt that says…”Hi AM..i’m Margot..EEEKK!!”…


AndyMira Says:

My predicted semi finals…Andy over Bratty Nick,Milos over Wawa..

final…Andy over Milos..Possibly in 2 sets..

C’mon Andy!!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Loaded with grass talent. I’d love to see Milos get his revenge on Andy!


Margot Says:

That’s mine too AM. United we stand…..;)


AndyMira Says:

M!!…Yayyyyy!!….We’re rock M!!!!

PS…I’d love to see Andy get his 6th Queen’s!…C’mon Andy!!Wooohooo!!


Willow Says:

^Oh dear ^ ….


chrisford1 Says:

Andy, reacting to criticism in that tabs that he is not a bona fide great player to the extent the Big 3 was named the Big 4:

““I’m very proud of the Olympic medals, they mean a lot to me. Within tennis, a lot of people just go, ‘Oh, that guy was a better player because he won more slams than that one.’ If that’s the case, then what’s the point of us all being here? Why is everyone covering this event? There are other tournaments outside the slams. Everyone’s criteria for judging a player will be different. If it’s purely on slams, then my Olympic medals mean nothing to that person – but they mean a lot to me.”

Andy has a ton of Masters 1000s as well, led GBR to it’s 1st Davis Cup in almost 80 years, got the WTF title, and has been as consistently excellent since 2008 as almost always deep into the 2nd week in a way only the other 3 of the Big 4 managed in the last decade. The 2 gold medals are monster. He has had spectacular success as a tennis pro.

Djokovic has previously defended Andy as solid Big 4 material – on his talent, results, consistency and no one under his rankings being close to his accomplishments. “He and Roger are perhaps the most talented of the 4 of us.”

Preach it, Andy! The sport is a lot more than counting Slams won. If not, why even bother an ATP Tour? Why bother with more than 4 events a year?


skeezer Says:

^ they are proving grounds for the ultimate prizes, the Slams.


chrisford1 Says:

A hard fought Masters can be worth as much as a weak era Slam if it is a classic and breaks the spirit of one rival forever. An example is Rafa’s 5 set victory over Federer in Monte Carlo. That one broke Federer’s belief that he would ever win on clay over Rafa in the future, unless the Spaniard was exhausted and injured after playing Djokovic, as was the case in the 2009 Madrid Masters.

And I think Djokovic or Federer would have traded one of their spare AO trophies in return for a gold medal from Andy.


Amit Says:

What an idiotic statement by this chrisford… Stop hallucinating and get your facts right… When was there a 5 set final at Monte Carlo between federer and nadal???!!! First of all it was in Rome.. And its not just federer who can’t bear Rafa on clay,none else can,when Rafa’s at his best. None comes even close to Rafa on clay,not even federer who is undoubtedly the second best clay courter of this era,with a FO and 4 finals at RG… And theres not a single person apart from Rafa who could stop him from winning almost all of the clay masters… Keep that in mind.. If Djokovic had faced the motivated Rafa of 2005-10, he woulda get his ass handed over… And yeah,federer had to beat Hewitt,Safin,roddick etc to win, and they weren’t exactly afraid of federer until he instilled in them fear.. Rather Hewitt,Nalbandian etc were all trouncing Federer before he turned it around.. And for all the talk of djokovic/nadal playing in the stronger era,well at least djokovic and federer are equal against each other,despite federer facing him well beyond his prime… His AO-IW-Miami is just a streak,which will end sooner than later.. And honestly,after seeing the last three times,fed faced Rafa,one thing is crystdl clear,at least now Rafa is not going to beat him easily or continuously, coz fed knows now that he can still rout Rafa in any kinda hard court…


Danica Says:

Amit,
why such venom? I noticed you hate anything Djokovic but such harsh words towards CF1 are uncalled for. And for an honest mistake at that. Ok, it wasn’t MC, it was Rome, big deal. More or less, same thing. For your record, Nole and Rafa did have great clay fights before 2010, you are just lazy to remember when in doesn’t fit your criteria. Nole was the one player who played Rafa the toughest even on clay.

Skeez,
Robredo was always a jealous jerk. He said it was his opinion. Sure, everyone can have an opinion but in this case, the results are the only things that matter. And Rafa’s aren’t light years ahead of Nole’s.


Amit Says:

Danica

Look, if you say I have hatred for Djokovic,then I guess you have the hatred for federer… We have probably similar sentiments,but for different guys. Btw I called the statement idiotic,not the person an idiot.. So cool Down.. In fact people,your fellow Djokovic fans had the audacity to actually preach me about my profession in the beginning.. Where were you then. Dont remember you uttering a word back then.. So why so unsettled now?? I can attack personally,but I don’t. You people need a reality check as much as the federer fans need.. And btw pl tell me about the close matches between djokovic and nadal on clay prior to 2010.. I remember the Madrid semi of 2009, and also remember Rafa complaining about the nature of clay in it.. In fact Rafa destroyed not only Fed in FO 08_ but also djokovic..


RZ Says:

If Andy is back to his best, he should win Queens. I’m curious to see how Stan does now that he’s got Annacone coaching him during the grass season.

Nice that 4K got a wild card.


Truth Says:

To John McEnroe, the only worthy player is Fed and Nadal is the only significant clay player.
When Nadal wins on clay over Fed, that’s the only great “clay rivalry”.
Since when did anyone care about John Mc’s career?
He depended on a listless, retiring Borg to win a Slam and he couldn’t even beat “no personality” Lendl on clay.
Mc’s idiotic just like rabid Fed fanatics.
His brother Patrick is a known liar, Fed floon and Davis Cup cheater.
They trash anyone that isn’t Fedal and Espn is trash.
The media is used to intimidate rivals of the strong era to make it less valuable than the weak era.
So espn hired these muppets.


chrisford1 Says:

I’ll leave it to others to frame their own opinion about if my mistaking a MC match vs. Rome match 11 years ago was idiotic or not. But my post was reacting to Andy Murray fighting back against the notion only Slamcount matters, after one of the Brit tabloids jumped on McEnroe’s remarks Andy is a “distant 4th” – to charge he did not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Novak, Rafa, and Fed or be part of any Big 4. Because he tabloid said only Slamcount matters, ergo -Slamcount makes the others 4, 6, and 6 times better a player than Andy.

Andy’s comments were saying in response to the rag – there is more to tennis and his career than Slamcount criterion some tennis fans use to boost their fave.

My second comment was to Skeezers dismissal of Murrays remarks. On the rest of tennis only being a ‘proving ground’ for the 4 Slams – to I suppose buttress his oft-repeated line about only Slamcount matters. (And Skeezer’s apparent belief the competition level in tennis never varies, and what is regarded as important accomplishments never changes.)

Obviously, Australia’s national championships more not more important at the beginning of the Open Era than Davis Cup, or the 2nd Year End Championships, or the big indoor money events in the USA and Europe that paid far more than the Australian nationals. So “Slamcount” doesn’t work for Borg on that basis or his leaving at 26. And Andy’s 3 wins at Slams fail to acknowledge his 8 RUPs (to Fed and Djoko) or his 10 SF losses in Slams to guys ranked 1-2-3.

Stan also laughed at notions after last years USO that he was then “equal to Andy” because each had drawn equal in Slams. Wawrinka said he was not even close to accomplishment as what Andy has done, let alone USO RUP Djokovic.


lylenubbins Says:

Good point about Borg and how AUS was not as important back then and it screws up the slamcount analysis comparing to present day

However, for the Big 4 they are all in the same era and going for the same titles and Murray is way behind the others, so McEnroe is right


Truth Says:

Obviously, Murray admitted that he was not On Djoker level, but ex-players are jealous so they belittle anyone not named Fed.
Fed is counting his lucky stars because he fakes appreciation for Djoker and acts sentimental about “dominating tennis”. It almost makes you want to believe Fed and cryyyyy. LMAO

Djoker joined the evil cult that disguised itself as “love cult”.
Djoker thought he was less than human for ignoring his nasty manipulative brother Marko.
He decided to throw matches, act unnatural and go away.

The result was disastrous Fraud’s opportunity to become more worshipped by the Frauds.
It’s a vicious cycle of cult of personality and tennis propaganda, except there is no personality that stands out in tennis after Djoker disappeared.


J-Kath Says:

What is your profession Amit? Genuine request – not taking the mickey.

Wow the Canadian kid Denis beat Kyle Edmonds today in style. He’s evidently just turned 18 years of age. Perhaps we should forget the current up-and-coming generation of 20-26 year olds???

Margot – Was this one of the matches you watched?

Chrisford 1: When people try to diminish a player – it’s usually about themselves making choices – ignore it.


Travis Bickle Says:

Wawrinka and Murray have the same number of slams, and according to idiotic opinions on this blog, they are the same in terms of greatness!!!

The small fact that Murray has way more non-slam trophies, consistently better ranking, etc… does not mean much to the “slams are everything” brigade! Of course Wawrinka himself would be the first to tell you he is nowhere close to Murray in terms of historical tennis greatness, but that is because Wawrinka is not an idiot. On the other hand, good folks like our posters Skeezer and Amit are quite different than Wawrinka – a known medical side-effect of too much Federer worship…


J-Kath Says:

Travis

There’s a well-known big party song: “And he’s a jolly good fellow and so say all of us”. See that you know it too.
Cheers K.


skeezer Says:

CF1,
I stand by my statement. I did not say the Olympic medals were not important. Nor how Andy feels about it…….as he says.. “but they mean a lot to me.” To him. But to the Tennis Game at large ….and for that matter over the history of Tennis, Slams are the ultimate prize, and I don’t think your going to find very many to say otherwise on tour, past & present.
It is a 56 man draw, not a 128(Slam), it plays best of 3 till the final, Slam is best of 5. Olympic Tennis has only been around since 1988( it was around for a short period prior 1896-1924 ).
It is also more about playing for your country, like Davis Cup, than playing for singular glory.
That said, All of the top 4 have gone on record to say how important it was to win a Medal for their country, so it is/can be an invaluable achievement to them no doubt. But you cannot put it in the same category as winning a Slam in Tennis., and the history of the games achievements therein.
Finally, you mention my name and made several wrong assumptions about what I say and/or said, but I am not surprised that those assumptions came from the failed “weak era” expert.


J-Kath Says:

I posted this on the wrong thread – for anyone who is interested – be my guest.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/06/no-1-ranking-federer-djokovic-wawrinka-murray-nadal-atp-tennis/66970/


RZ Says:

Thanks J-Kath. Great article on the points at play and what the results will mean for the top guys.


RZ Says:

Murray is going to donate all of his Queen’s prize money to the victims of the Grenfell Tower fire.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2017/06/19/andy-murray-plans-donate-queens-prize-money-grenfell-tower-disaster/


J-Kath Says:

RZ: I hope Andy wins ….wouldn’t it be awful if he didn’t win a single match. Thanks for reading the article and many thanks for commenting. I found it quite surprising.


J-Kath Says:

A-Mira:

If you didn’t spot Margot today, look tomorrow when Andy plays – she’ll be the one who stands up first and cheers like crazy when he hits an “incredible” return.

Peaceful Ramadan to you and yours.


chrisford1 Says:

More on Andy’s Big 4 “worthiness” – 651 career wins 18th on list so far, chance for Top 12 of Open Era. 9th in Masters 1000 wins Open Era, chance to be in Top 5. 6th so far in ATP 500 events. 9th in ATP 250 Titles.

J-Kath -”Wow the Canadian kid Denis beat Kyle Edmonds today in style. He’s evidently just turned 18 years of age. Perhaps we should forget the current up-and-coming generation of 20-26 year olds??”
If you go to the kids Twitter site you will see one of the best serves and serving form I’ve seen in a teen. https://twitter.com/felixtennis He will do serious damage in the ATP when he is ready. Bruno Soares hailed him yesterday for being among the youngest to ever win a Challenger, and it was pretty lopsided over Kyle Edmund. He only has 4,000 followers so time for bandwagoneers to jump on that bandwagon. But not jump off the Thiem, A Zeverev fan radar screen. And I still think Milos can win a Slam.
Off Topic – Frechgal Alize Cornet does Fathers Day pic showing where she got her nose and bustline from. Athletic windsurfer and businessman “Cool Daddy Cornet”. https://www.instagram.com/p/BVfNstXDDoU/


chrisford1 Says:

Typical of Andy to not only boost things British, but take the time to meet with, encourage, even give serious money to UK unfortunates. He will donate his Queens Club money to those hit hard with the Grenfell fire.
When I saw the Tower ablaze I was disappointed Brtain has stopped hanging people, because whoever built or rennovated it did not put in place proper fire barriers meant to confine fire. A few decent hangings would be cautionary t others.


AndyMira Says:

@JK…Hahaha..yeah!…I certainly will pay a close attention to someone who scream…”EEEEEEEKKK!” everytime Andy make a winner…Obviously,that is our Margot…hehehe..

Btw,thank u so much for precious wishes JK…It meant so much to me…I want to wish u a very peaceful and happy life as well JK…

A warm thoughts from afar…


Margot Says:

Lol you guys, going Wednesday and Thursday, so any EEEEKING you hear wont be coming from me!
So Andy just better beat Alize is all I can say! If I can, I’ll give you a wave from the stands.


AndyMira Says:

@M!!….Only wednesday and thursday??…What if Andy can go to the final and then winning?U mean,you’re not going to be there EEEEEEKKING! when it mattered most??


J-Kath Says:

Sorri Margot:

It must have been the seagulls I heard yesterday……..

Chrisford 1: I can’t access Twitter……..


Margot Says:

AM: tickets are £115 a day, rising to God knows what for the final.
Please send Clarissa along straightaway, clutching a lovely millionaire in her beak…..;)


Willow Says:

When it comes to the bigger picture overall, Andys career is streets above Stans, more Masters, more titles, weeks at no1, more finals been consistently in the top 3/4 for years, 2 OG medals, however if Stan wins more GS than Andy i very much doubt Stan would care about any of that, as it is and always will be the GS that carry the most weight and hold the most importance ….


AndyMira Says:

@M!!…115 pound/day??…Oh my God!!…That’s 600 more/less my currency M!!…ohohohohoho!…Suddenly i’m very glad Andy will come to play ‘in’ my house everyday M!!

About Clarissa…Sorry M…she has a bad diarrhea due too much curry chicken last nite…Stupid me for feeding her non stop!!..Urgh!!


Willow Says:

AM Chicken curry sounds right up my street lol, loving you profile picture on FB by the way ….


AndyMira Says:

Hey Al!!…Oh really Al??If only we’re all neighbours..i will cook a tons of chicken curry and give it to u,M,JK,Okie etc etc…

Btw…My FB profile?U mean the pic of my hubby and my daughter?..Ermm..i put it there only to honoured my hubby for a Father’s Day..I will take it off pretty soon….But,hey,hey,hey…thank u for your wonderful words Al!!


Willow Says:

AM I have an Indian restaurant downstairs from where i live, the foods not bad, but you cant beat homemade curry ….

And your hubby and daughter are both gorgeous, my profile picture now says dad underneath in honour of my late father, which is only temporary, i had one for Easter, and one for Manchester, my hubby and i dont have children though ….


Margot Says:

“Feeding Clarissa chicken curry non stop!” OMG! OMG! Well AM all I can say is, you’ve let me down, you’ve let Andy down, you’ve most certainly let Clarissa down, but worst of all you’ve let yourself down…… ;)
I suppose it’s only fair that you’ve had to spend the whole day cleaning up the pigeon doo.


AndyMira Says:

Hey back Willow![haha!..now,i feel weird to call u willow coz i'm used to call u Al on FB and TG!]…btw…yeah Al…can’t beat the homemade curry..especially to me Malay curry and Indian curry way way different from each other…

Haha..thank u for the compliments Al!…Yeah,i just your profile Al…even though they’re not here anymore but they’re always in our heart right?


AndyMira Says:

It’s not my fault M!!…She’s the one who can’t stop eating…one moment want curry chicken and next want coconut milk shake and then the dessert etc etc!…Man!I didn’t know your Clarissa can eat that much!!…I’m broke because of her u know!!Urgh!!

And yeah…talk about doo doo!…yuck!!


J-Kath Says:

Thank you for your good wishes A.Mira. While I’m still running around like a crazy person, I am inwardly at a better place than I was….despite (a)an infestation of flies coming in thru my extraction fan and (b)having to go to the Fraud Squad re. illegal withdrawals from my account.

C’est la vie!


Willow Says:

J-Kath OMG Hope you get it soted, scary stuff when any Tom, Dick or Harry can hack into your account ….


AndyMira Says:

You’re welcome JK!…Always!!…and sorry to hear about the unfortunate event that happen to u okay?Hope the presence of Andy at Queens and Wimby can cure any of that…


AndyMira Says:

M!!…Our projected final Andy vs Milos is not going to happen as Milos already lost to Kokki!…and our Bracket is sooooo merriful with red now!!hehehe….


Markus Says:

CF1′s weak ear theory cannot hold ground because of the way CF1 uses it. It is obviously prejudicial against only one player, Federer. His use of it is to bolster another player, specifically Djokovic because he never analyzes his competition when he ammassed the majority of his major titles. Who were his competition during his majors run? An old Federer with his old racket. An often injured Nadal. An undetermined Murray. A del Potro sidelined by wrist problems. Need I add the lost generation? So CF1, if you truly believe in your weak ear theory, why don’t you analyze every major winner’s every single title and competition? Do it objectively for it to be believable because the way you have been applying it is nothing but biased crap.


Markus Says:

of course I mean “era’ not “ear” (for the brainless people who would find fault in the typo error).


RZ Says:

Sorry about your brackets M and AM, but yay for 4K!


Daniel Says:

Lopez already upsetting Wawrinka who keeps his standard and consistency of underperforming outside Slams.
Than at Wimbledon he will reach QF or semis… go figure!

Raonic also out of Queens, big names getting out.

Zverev Jr winning in Halle. Murray next in London and Fed in a Fed right after Zverev.


AndyMira Says:

Oh God RZ!!…I guess i have to ‘pretend’ to be happy just for your sake…Anything for u sis!!


RZ Says:

Wimbledon seedings update (courtesy of Stuart Fraser’s Twitter feed): Wawrinka’s loss to Lopez ensure that Djokovic will be 2nd seed at Wimbledon (Murray will be #1 seed no matter what happens). If Federer wins 2 matches at Halle, he’ll be guaranteed a top 4 seeding.


Daniel Says:

Murray strugling on his first service game, had to save 3 BP´s already. Normal for first match on grass to be a bit tense.


Daniel Says:

35 min and Fed already played 12 games.


Daniel Says:

If fed breaks again for a 5-0 lead he will serve for the match potentially ending in 45 minutes😱


Daniel Says:

Meanwhile Murray loses first set tiebreaker. Will have to recover


RZ Says:

This will be a good test for Murray if he pulls out the win. Thompson doesn’t get talked about much but he’s dangerous. He beat Jack Sock in Davis Cup


Daniel Says:

Damm it, Thompson just broke Murray. If Murray loses here with the rabkings somebody posted Nadal could ve #1 after Wimbledon if he oges a round further than Murray evenif tbeybdon’t win it.


armelwani Says:

Thompson just broke Murray again. Now serving for the match. Oh, Andy, why must you make everything so difficult??


RZ Says:

Well I guess Andy isn’t defending his Queen’s title this year, unless Thompson chokes.


Margot Says:

Bloody hell! I suppose the good news is I didn’t see Andy lose and the bad news is I wont see him play.
You’ll recognise me at Queens gals, I’ll be the one sobbing in the stands!
Bum.


RZ Says:

Ugh. All that prize money that Andy would have donated not happening. :-(


J-Kath Says:

I couldn’t bear to watch Andy any more. I had the sinking feeling that he might not win one match after he promised to give all his Queen’s winnings to the victims of the London fire.

Willow: Supposed to be en route to being sorted. My debit card was compromised. A large amount had been removed and another smaller amount was about to be taken as well but this was able to be stopped.


gonzalowski Says:

sorry about Andy :(
WB will be different, I guess, as RG was


AndyMira Says:

@M!…Sorry Andy lost…U cried because u can’t see him play…i cried because my Bracket totally ruined by now!…Uhuk!uhuk!Uhuk!


RZ Says:

Sorry Margot – bummer.
That’s one of the problems with tennis. No guarantees that you’ll get to see the players you want. Every time I’ve tried to watch Laura Robson play at Indian Wells, she’s lost one or two days before I’m there.


RZ Says:

It seems that as boring as Andy’s white, gray, and black shirts are, he has far fewer losses in those colors than when Under Armor gives him bolder colors to wear.


Willow Says:

Damn a bit dissapointed, but i dont think Andy will be too worried about this result, give him a bit more time to practice, first round matches when you change to a different surface can be tricky ….


Giles Says:

Andy won’t have any prize money to donate but he can donate the appearance fees. :)


Margot Says:

True RZ. I did think that by going two days, I’d catch him once at least. Oh well……hoping to see 4xK now. Blimey, dunno whose left! What a day.
Yes, AM our bracket is shot down too. Did other one, think I’ve got Kei winning. And Petra at one of the WTAs


kjb Says:

Top 3 seeds out! Wide open draw now. It would be nice to see Kokkinakkis breakthrough here.


Willow Says:

J-Kath it happened to a friend of mine, its horrible, glad your getting it sorted ….


Truth Says:

A weak player was ranked #1-10, but couldn’t return the ball for winners like most of the good hardcourt and clay players in the top 50. That was the special education kid Roddick that Fed coddled.

Roddick could barely make high percentage shots and winners in a Houston clay tournament, but he was allowed to intimidate opponents with verbal abuse, distracting harassment and mindless ball bashing. It was as bad as a walkover. Fake drama to get attention and money.
There was plenty of those guys in Fed’s 2004-2006 Roddick type draws.
If you can only break serve 23%, you are weak. Ljubicic was #3 and Blake was #4, over Roddick. LOL!
I didn’t know Blake won Slams…
Rabid Fed fanatics have trouble understanding this.
They think a cowardly guy is a wonderful and gracious player because he played Fed.
I never realized that Roddick’s greatness came after he avoided tournaments, and demanded to “entertain” with fake tennis and nasty wrestler behavior.
Essentially, a weak era cheater and embarrassed phony, that couldn’t again get lucky in Slams, Masters events and Davis Cup was superior to anyone in the top 20 now.


RZ Says:

@kjb – I would love to see 4K win it – it would be well-deserved after all of his injury issues. I think more realistically Cilic, Tsonga, or Lopez wins. I would also give chances to Berdych and Dmitrov. I doubt Benneteau would win but it would be amazing if he finally snagged a singles title. I may have to root for him just for that.


RZ Says:

Crazy stat time (again courtesy of Stuart Fraser’s Twitter feed): until today’s loss, Andy Murray had broken serve at least once in 136 consecutive matches. Looks like the record is held by Davydenko according to this blog http://www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2016/11/22/andy-murray-and-the-longest-break-per-match-streaks/


Daniel Says:

Rz, Dimitrov side is less loaded, apart from Berdych and I think he won this tourney before. He can play well on grass.


Margot Says:

Cilic is the highest seed left in, big opportunity, especially as he’s won before.


RZ Says:

@Daniel – true, but after a strong start to the year, Dmitrov hasn’t done much lately.


AndyMira Says:

Even though very disappointed Andy lost..but,very very happy Andy showed how pure his heart is by still donates the money to the victims of Grenfell Tower…Thank u Andy for being a wonderful human being…

#SALUTE,RESPECT#


Truth Says:

Sub 100 ranked Jordan Thompson won over Murray.
Djoker must be ashamed if he truly cares about himself.
Raonic even hopes Djoker returns. Good luck to your fairweather friend, Raonic. LOL

It wasn’t as difficult 5-11 years ago but mug players couldn’t win Wimbledon at all after beating Roddick on grass.
It was miserable for Roddick because Serbs beat him on grass and he was supposedly the U.S. Golden Child.
It proves how fake the “Fed rival” clown was.
Fed let dickk win, and Fed still won over the creep.


chrisford1 Says:

Markus – “CF1′s weak ear theory cannot hold ground because of the way CF1 uses it. It is obviously prejudicial against only one player, Federer. His use of it is to bolster another player, specifically Djokovic.”

Hardly. If you had been paying attention to my argument you would know:

1. The Weak Era really started with several Mutt&Jeffs making #1, then the less than legendary talent Leyton Hewitt getting 75 straight weeks as #1 then Federer, a true great, finally coming to form and dominating for almost 4 years in a lack of competition.

2. My argument is that Rafa Nadal was always a clay force, but did not come to full form until mid-2007. Nadal, not just Djokovic and Murray, faced a very strong field when he arrived in form. Which is why I side with Rafa fans saying that his 15 were a lot harder to get than Federer’s 18, due to Fed’s “Slamcount” being padded with 13 Weak Era titles.

3. Critics of the Weak Era argue that saying this is calling Fed a lesser talent. No, far from it. He is a great player. But most of his Big Wins happened when he was Gulliver amongst Lilliputians. When Rafa and Novak finally reached full form, Roger was still good enough at times to beat Nadal and Djokovic or play very close matches in defeat, but the days of 5 straight USOs or Wimbledons and so on due to dearth of peer players was over.

4. Roger’s own self belief in the Superiority of Roger was shattered in 2008 when he lost often to Nadal and also Djokovic. By the time Rafa had beaten him on all surfaces at Slams with the 2009 AO loss following his loss to the Serb upstart, Roger was crying uncontrollably – the shock was so bad.

5. If God himself had decided to intervene to save the sobbing wreck once named the “Religious Experience that is Roger”, it couldn’t have played out better than both Nadal and Djokovic damaging themselves in the Madrid semi and allowing Fed to get a French Open title and Wimbledon. (barely beating his old whipping boy Roddick)
That gave him 15 for his Slamcounters.

6. It is to his credit and his great greed for sponsor money as the best paid endorser the sport has ever seen that he stuck around the past 8 years to get his Rafa-less AO win in 2010, lose some close ones to Djokovic….and assemble a silver medal, 2 WTFs, and 2 more Slams.

7. But both Rafa and Novak have better H2Hs because he stuck around post 2007 when he was not as good a player as either of them, bye and large.


skeezer Says:

^Did you spend all day writing that? What a waste of time.


Sirius Says:

the nutcase has increased Fed’s “weak era” titles to 13 from 12, probably counting this years AO?


Danica Says:

Amit,

Sorry, not being around to answer your questions.

No, I do not hate Federer, nor do I have such sentiments towards anyone on tour. I dislike Jerzy J. and Pouille for some unknown reasons even to me. Back in the day, I didn’t like Soderling for one sole offense he committed against Rafa when he showed a totally wrong mark and continued to dispute it. I have zero tolerance for that kind of theft. I recognize Roger as one of the greatest, certainly as the most accomplished player ever, and if I had to pick a GOAT (although I do not subscribe to theorizing about that) he would be my pick. I do have a problem with some of his press conference comments regarding the accomplishments of his peers. Those became rarer still recently so, no, really no reason to hate him.

Where was I when some fellow fans attacked you and your profession? I have no clue. Probably missed it altogether as I don’t come here often and do not read all the threads. I don’t even know how long you have been here and certainly do not know what your profession is.

As far as close matches between Rafa and Nole on clay, there was a number. At the FO 2008 Nole was the closest to giving any real fight to Rafa. The Madrid 2009 semis was pure luck, anyone could have won it. Please, don’t look for excuses like the condition of clay and such because I could find a ton of examples where conditions impacted Nole’s game even more (like putting him to play during the worst heat, or scheduling only him even as a #1 and a double defending champion to play on rainy days on courts that don’t have roofs, or even playing 9 consecutive days at Wimbledon 2007 which resulted in his retirement against Rafa after he won the first set… too many to list here). Then, there was a tight match in Hamburg in 2008. There was also a tight match in Monaco 2009. Even the Rome of that year was a solid match where Novak played great first set. That’s more than any other player against Rafa. Note that those were the years Rafa was in his absolute peak while Nole was still reaching his and what’s more, 2009 was probably his worst year. Like it or not, Novak is the only player that has multiple (7) clay wins over Rafa, which all came at the biggest stages – Monaco, Rome, Madrid and Roland Garros. This in no way tarnishes Rafa’s reputation on that surface, but it solidifies Nole’s accomplishments in broader context.


Okiegal Says:

J-Kath….,,I hate a stinkin’ thief!!! I had never had a purse stolen before….it’s a real pain in the backside. I have everything replaced except for my Medicare health card….it’s a bummer! I hope the thief eventually gets caught……I’m sure it’s his occupation…..ripping people off on a daily basis. Fresno, California left a bad taste in my mouth….. 😡😡😡 Sorry for your misfortune.


J-Kath Says:

Ditto, Okiegal. To add to my misfortune I missed my train because I was determined to report it. Yes thieves – no matter the form of the abuse – create a lot of misery. Sod them.


Markus Says:

The biggest hoax in Tennis-X is the “Weak Era Theory”.

It only takes into consideration the extrinsic factors that makes a player win. It has taken out of the equation the more important aspect which is the intrinsic factor, the player’s inherent ability that makes him win.


Okiegal Says:

@JK…..we let ours go…..didn’t report it…had to get to San Francisco We we’re on a tight schedule….Hope they get um!!


J-Kath Says:

Margot:

I simply love Medvedev whether he beats Grigor or not. What did you think of him yesterday?


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