Nishikori, Raonic, 3 Top 10 Exit at Canadian Open in Montreal; Federer, Nadal In Action Thurs
by Staff | August 9th, 2017, 11:23 pm
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Wednesday was upset day at the Canadian Open as three Top 10 seeds and five total went down in Montreal.


Upset-makers were France’s Gael “Force” Monfils topping No. 5 Kei Nishikori 6-7(4), 7-5, 7-6(6); France’s Adrian Mannarino ousting No. 6 Milos Raonic 6-4, 6-4; and South Korea’s Chung Hyeon downing No. 9 David Goffin 7-5, 6-3.

“It’s a good victory for many reasons,” said Monfils, who saw Nishikori serve for the match in the second set. “It’s a big revenge, because last year around this time I had the same thing actually against Kei.”

Nishikori led 5-2 in the second, 5-3 in the third and in the break held 4 match points at 6-2 before the Frenchman reeled off the last six points of the match.

“I needed courage and a lot of luck,” Monfils added. “Matches like this depend on luck also. As I said, in the second set, he started off better than I did. It took time for me to get into it after the first set. I was able to play at a higher level at 5-2. The same thing happened in the third set. Now, for the last points, I needed to be brave and also have some luck – a lot of luck.”

Ousting lower seeds were South African Kevin Anderson beating No. 11 Pablo Carreno 6-3, 7-6(6), and former Top 10er David Ferrer outlasting No. 15 Jack Sock 7-6(7), 3-6, 6-1.

Righting the ship were Top 10-seeded winners No. 1 Rafael Nadal rolling Borna Coric 6-1, 6-2; No. 2 Roger Federer cruising past Canuck Peter Polansky 6-2, 6-1; No. 4 Alexander Zverev struggling past injured Richard Gasquet 6-3, 4-6, 7-6(3); and No. 7 Grigor Dimitrov topping Mischa Zverev 6-3, 3-6, 6-3.

Nadal had lost to Coric in their most previous meeting.

“At the beginning of the match there were great points,” Nadal said. “I think I started playing so well in the first set and in general, I played a great match. Last time that I played against him I lost, last year in Cincinnati. It was not an easy round for me.”

Federer had no issues against the Canadian Polansky.

“Overall, I’m very satisfied with the match,” the Swiss said. “The conditions were tough here in Montreal. There was a lot of wind today and it was fast. Sometimes it’s difficult to find the rhythm. But I was happy that I was very focused on my service games. I was aggressive. This is how I want to play for the whole week. Anyway, it’s a good start.”

Lower-seeded winners on the day were No. 12 Roberto Bautista defeating Ryan Harrison 7-5, 6-2, and No. 16 Nick Kyrgios rolling over Italy’s Paolo Lorenzi 6-2, 6-3.

Canadian youngster Denis Shapovalov continued his coming-out party on Wednesday, winning his second match with a 6-3, 7-6(4) victory over former Grand Slam winner Juan Martin del Potro.

Matches to look for on Thursday in Montreal are (12) Roberto Bautista Agut vs. Gael Monfils, (2) Roger Federer vs. David Ferrer, (4) Alexander Zverev vs. (16) Nick Kyrgios, and (1) Rafael Nadal vs. (WC) Denis Sharpalov.

THURSDAY MONTREAL SCHEDULE
COURT CENTRAL start 12:30 pm
G. Monfils (FRA) vs [12] R. Bautista Agut (ESP)

Not Before 2:30 pm
D. Ferrer (ESP) vs [2] R. Federer (SUI)

Not Before 6:30 pm
[4] A. Zverev (GER) vs [16] N. Kyrgios (AUS)
[1] R. Nadal (ESP) vs [WC] D. Shapovalov (CAN)


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169 Comments for Nishikori, Raonic, 3 Top 10 Exit at Canadian Open in Montreal; Federer, Nadal In Action Thurs

SnotNosedKid Says:

Raonic is just one giant pulled muscle. Losing early at home in straights to a tomato can like Mannarino, time to call it quits


Markus Says:

Zverev vs Kyrgios should be interesting. Kyrgios plays better against good opponents. I think Kyrgios, when his mind is straight, is a better player than Zverev. The latter was a bit lackluster yesterday against Gasquet. Zverev has an alarming tendency of playing poorly after doing very well in a previous tournament. He won last week so I expect him to lose early in this one. Let’s see if that trend continues.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Markus, I agree that Peak Kyrgios is better than Peak Zverev. I seem to be the only X-er not as bullish on Zverev. Thiem and Zverev have been complaining recently that they need to beat 2 or 3 of the Big 4 to win a Slam. Right now, they just need to beat 1 or 2 (with Andy, Novak and even Stan and Marin out). This is their chance. I can see Kyrgios beating 2 elite players in a row, but Zverev?
I just find Zverev’s game very vanilla. Its beautiful and big, but it seems so predictable. Thiem and Kyrgios seem to have more imagination, though Thiem is hampered lately by his move to Early Rafa positioning.


Markus Says:

Zverev, seems to be mentally better than both Thiem and Kyrgios but mental toughness can only get you so far against a superior physical player like Kyrgios. Nick has shown that he can mentally adjust against a good player. So my pick between the two will always be Kyrgios. I am not sold on Thiem who appears to be good for only one solid match per tournament and that’s not going to bode well in a tournament where there are many good players entered, like a major.


Daniel Says:

On paper Kyrgios would have the edge. But he lacks the will, discipline and drive, he just don´t care that much, maybe for 2-3 touneys a year, where he can have his big names wins. Zverev and Thiem have all those aspects to be greater. zevrev needs more bulking and Thiem improve his court postion. Year aftr year they are improving (Thiem improved his endurance).

Thiem has 2 slams semis at a young age and Zvreve already won a Masters. They will soon be #4 and #5 in rankings, after USO when Wawa and Djoko’s poitns drop. If Murray doesn´t play this year they will most likelly finish 33 and #4. somehting Kyrgios never even get close to.

Right now, I’ll bet my money on Thiem and Zevrev. Kyrgios may win one Slam in next 2-3 years. Zverev and Thiem seems multiple Slam winners potential, after Big 4 fade for good.

Dimi, Raonic, Kei and co, will lose their window. In this way, Thiem and Zeverev will be luckier, as their peak will coincide with Big 4 fading.


Humble Rafa Says:

Losing early at home in straights to a tomato can like Mannarino, time to call it quits

Does tomato refer to a country or a person?


Markus Says:

Dimitrov is mentally weak, Raonic is slow, Nishikori is short. Those are the handicaps which they cannot overcome to climb all the way to the top. They have already gone as far as they can. Now they are on the downslope.


fred stone Says:

Denis Sharpalo?

Who dat?


Markus Says:

To fred stone, I read your comment and then I saw your name…and I started laughing! :-D


Willow Says:

As upposed to Humble Rafa, might be just me, but i really dont understand his SOH ( SCRATCHES HEAD) ….


Markus Says:

Willow, it’s just like that thing that gathers on and sullies a piece of furniture, all you have to do is dust it off. Then it’s gone and it never even leaves a mark.


Willow Says:

Markus true, i dont even mind unfunny jokes, but the one above didnt even make any sense ….


fred stone Says:

markus

I was pointing out a wacko-typo from the story:

Matches to look for on Thursday in Montreal are (12) Roberto Bautista Agut vs. Gael Monfils, (2) Roger Federer vs. David Ferrer, (4) Alexander Zverev vs. (16) Nick Kyrgios, and (1) Rafael Nadal vs. (WC) Denis Sharpalov

So, what’s funny?
I may be dumb but I’m not stupid.


Daniel Says:

Federer struggling on his serve, down a Break


Markus Says:

fred stone, it was a purely happy laugh, not a demeaning derisive laugh. I knew the typo was deliberate and your name reminded me of Fred Flinstone, and thought they matched well and really clever. No offense was intended.


Markus Says:

Flintstone, left out one “t”.


FedExpress Says:

how slow is that court? you cant hit through.

Federer wasting BPs like in his hey days.


Okiegal Says:

WOW…. I will have to repeat myself again……Roger looks sharpe…….loving these colors together. He’s rockin’ this outfit……..but eeek he’s behind!! Is this pink “shocking” pink??? Lol Yes I’m shocked over how the first set is going, but it ain’t over until the fat lady sings! 🎼🎼🎼.


FedExpress Says:

Finally breaks.

But thos surfarce is a paradise for counter punchers. the slowest of the HC masters.


Willow Says:

Disagree not keen on men in pink sorry, and that crowd is terrible cheering Ferrer missing ….


Giles Says:

Fed wearing baby pink.


Okiegal Says:

@Humble…..I know I’m definitely an Okie…..when I read your above post at 2:14……I first read TORNADO instead of
tomato……..LOL! Not only is Oklahoma considered tornado alley, we can now boast about earthquakes too! Felt one at my house just this week……… Eeek Margot!!


Markus Says:

I have a shirt in that in that exact color which my wife says should not come out of the closet.


FedExpress Says:

just shit. would have been better if hadnt broken back. now ferrer serves first.

federer is stuggling big time.


Willow Says:

Markus men in pink is a no no lol sorry ….


Madmax Says:

Relax FedExpress. You are back to your old ways. On paper yes. Roger should win but Ferrer is the terrier who should never be underestimated. Let’s see and hope that Roger does not leave things too late. He certainly needs to crack on with the game plan.


Madmax Says:

Markus. Wear pink! Be brave. Get in touch with the real you! :-) Pink suits everyone when the sun shines.


FedExpress Says:

madmax, yeah too greedy. want him to win every match and dont waana see his momentum disturbed.

all good do far bar the baseline game


Markus Says:

Federer is struggling. I hate pink!


FedExpress Says:

joke of a service game.


fred stone Says:

Markus

I hate to belabor this but you laughed at the typo?
“Sharpalov” doesn’t fit as funny in my book of funny.


Daniel Says:

Damm it, everytime Fed breaks he is broken right back. What is worng with hos servoce game? Unable to watch the match, only following scores, will arrive home soon and hope he is able to push to a third.


FedExpress Says:

godly last two points to break.


Willow Says:

Markus ugly outfits only work for the other Swiss ….


Madmax Says:

Come on the Fed. Have some faith FedExpress. I know about wanting him to win everything but God. He has given us so much already. Give the guy a break! (Literally!). Let him fly and be free with his tennis. It will happen. I fully expect him to come through.


Markus Says:

fred stone, do you know Fred Flinstone? He is a cartoon character from the stone age. I would think people from that era would not be good at spelling and grammar. So the wrong spelling of Shapovalov, followed by “who dat” would be something that would come straight out of the mouth of Fred Flintstone. Then I saw your name which I thought was made up to match the comment (I have not seen you post here before). I thought everything was cleverly funny. And that is why I laughed. I never thought I would need to explain so much just for laughing. I was amused and that was the only reason I laughed.


Madmax Says:

Fred Stone. Leave Markus be. He’s one of the good guys and means you no harm. Think you are over reacting. It’s just a bit of fun. You are way too serious.


Willow Says:

^Agree ^ ….


J-Kath Says:

Hey Okie: You pinching my lines from a previous thread…naughty, naughty….but you’re nice.


FedExpress Says:

What a useless player Dimitrov has become. Sad to see.


Markus Says:

Thank you Madmax. That made me feel as good as seeing Federer won the second set. Now let’s see if the third set will make me want to get that pink shirt out of the closet.


Markus Says:

“…Federer win…” 0h, my grammar is becoming like Fred Flintstone’s!


Willow Says:

Now Ferrer is capitulating against Federer ….


Willow Says:

To parrot a cliche from Fedexpress Ferrer is choking ….


fred stone Says:

To various…

Now I get it.
I know about the Flintstones.
“Who dat”, where I reside, (Mid North America) is common talk among us non-cavemen.
I was just pointing out, in a very short manner, the typo.

… the way Fed’s playing is kind of funny, not.


FedExpress Says:

2-1 with a break. but i think the match is far from over.


Madmax Says:

Fred Stone. Markus was kind of funny. Had me smiling; glad now you see the funny side of things.

Come on Fed! Come on!


FedExpress Says:

yes baby

shoukd be it

agut, schhwarztman-haase in the semis.

surely federer will reach the final


FedExpress Says:

but wasnt there something in 2009

5-2 up vs tsonga


Willow Says:

We needed Ferrer to win this to save tennis but he choked :-P


Daniel Says:

Ugly but went through, saw the last set and he played good tennis, pulling th trigger when needed.

Can’t see him losing before finals: Agut and Hasse/Swartz won’t beat Federer.

Question is who he will play in finals: Nadal (as all expect), Kyrgios or Zverev?


Willow Says:

And BTW im joking, just using one of Fedexpress cliches, that he uses ….


Markus Says:

fred stone, it’s all water under the bridge now, just like that first set that Federer lost to Ferrer.


Markus Says:

Ferrer never chokes against anybody. This guy gives everything each time he plays regardles of who he plays against.


Willow Says:

Would be great if other posters here would follow suit, and also bury the hatchet, some here hold grudges like their lives depend on it ….


Willow Says:

Markus i know, im only joking, its an expression that Fedexpress seems to over use here ….


Markus Says:

Willow, it was a generic post not addressed to anybody but meant only to praise Ferrer’s work ethics. Besides, I saw your earlier posts about “parroting” a cliche from FedExpress. So if there is any tangential reference at all, it would not be for the “parrot” but the one who she heard it from.


Okiegal Says:

Breast cancer awareness is being adhered to in every sport. Bull riders wear pink! I love it that men are willing to wear pink for the cause! But in all actuality, I’ve never met a man that didn’t go for boobs…….just saying! LOL


Okiegal Says:

@JK………Help me out here…….what did I pinch??? I’m lost …….as usual !!!! Lol


t4t Says:

Willow seems to be forever complaining about other posters. Too negative!


t4t Says:

Okie, I agree, is a doll.


t4t Says:

Kyrgios out.


Berghain Says:

Holly smokes, Shapovalov is hitting the ball hard. Good match so far.


Daniel Says:

Nadal was 1 point away from being down 5-1 in second set, but as usual he stood strong, held his serve and broke Shapov next game.


Daniel Says:

Shapovalov is hitting winners at will, 33-11 so far at 2-1 third set. Held a long (12 minutes game) with Nadal making some unusual mistakes in important times.


skeezer Says:

Rafa out. Against who? Leave it to the Bull to make a best of 3 set match go 2 hours 45
Minutes.


Daniel Says:

What a courageous brave Kid. Nadal felt the nerves, DF in tiebreak and than missing a sitter FH. Shapovalov hit 2 aces in tiebreak also. Brave kid.

Nadal missed a golden opportunity, he was 1 set away from a match against Mannarino to return to #1.

Nw if Fed wins the title once Murray points comes out and Nadal defends 90 pts next week, Federer will be in drivers seat to be #1 after Cincy. He wouldn’t even need to win Cincy, just does as well or Nadal there and he gets #1 ranking and #1 seed in USO.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

A legend is born tonight!!

Big night in tennis. Now, Shapovalov gets into the main draws of Masters events- which means, we’ll be seeing him regular now.

What a great game, and great mental strength. Not a lot of people are beating Rafa in a deciding tiebreak, starting down 3-0. Not a lot of people can come back against Rafa after losing a first set at all. Kid’s got game! 18 years old.


Old School Says:

Denis is exactly what the sport needs, young dynamic talent. His win over chem boy Nadal was thrilling and gutsy. Now I have a new player to root for.


Daniel Says:

Also big opening for Zverev, who is favorite to reach finals. It could be his second back to back Masters final after his title in Rome, last Masters played. Not bad at all. He may very well win it all as Fed is not impressive so far.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

My bad, he needs another match or two to break top 60, but at least he’ll be at USO for sure.


Daniel Says:

Things are not gonna get easier for Nadal in Cincy, fastest court on tour. His best shot may be USO as the format best of 5 and day rest is best for him. With Djoko and Stan out, very few can win 3 sets off him. And even with this loss he still is playing well and injury free. But the no HC title in ore than 3 years is hunting him in the back of his mind in close match on HC. IF the match get close he shows some nerves.


montecarlo Says:

Another off day for Nadal, Losing all crucial points and gifting away sitters. He had a break point in almost every game of third set but somehow managed to mess it up.
I am sure this kid won’t win another big match for 2-3 years atleast.


Dan The Man Says:

Way to go Shapovalov! Great win for last year’s junior Wimbledon champ (and junior French Open semifinalist). This kid appears to be for real, making great strides in the last half year. Beating del Potro the day before shows this was no fluke. The future of tennis is looking good!


DC Says:

This is the second time in the past 3 matches that Nadal has lot to a player ranked in the 100s.
Nadal overplayed the first half of the season and it’s showing in the results.
However these early exists provide him good match practise without tiring him.
A few matches at Cincy should be good practise for him to get started at the US open.
Though I doubt he would be able to win another tournament this year.


Okiegal Says:

Did Roger get a warning today for ball abuse? I heard it mentioned…..just got to watch a tiny bit of his match so I missed the incident. Did he lose his temper about something???


Tony N Says:

Come Monday, Shapovalov might pass No. 94-ranked Bernard Tomic (or higher if he keeps winning). 18-year 3-month old Shapovalov is the youngest quarter-finalist in the history of the Canadian Open since Bjorn Borg in 1974. According to the ATP, Shapovalov is the youngest quarter-finalist in the history of the ATP Masters 1000 (since 1990). Shapovalov’s tough victory over a fit, rested and in-form Nadal is more significant than 17-year old Nadal’s victory at 2004 Miami Masters over a flu-ridden Federer (who was drained by his preceding match against Nikolay Davydenko as well as by his winning Indian Wells a few days earlier) or 19-year old Federer’s victory over Sampras at 2001 Wimbledon.

When the going got tough, Shapovalov showed mental toughness and delivered. Tonight Shapovalov demonstrated a sliver of what Ice Hockey GOAT Wayne Gretzky recently explained: “the thing that separates stars from superstars is that superstars want to be under pressure. They want to be under the microscope. They want to play in the finals. They want to be 2-2 going into the fifth set. That’s where they’re comfortable… they want to be under the gun. It makes them play that much better, the bigger the game the more relaxed they seem to be and the more inspired they are and the better they play.”

Despite certain deficiencies of youth, Shapovalov has the potential to be the next big young superstar like Borg, Nadal, Wilander, McEnroe (… as long as he has to keep impressing his swim-star gf Penny Oleksiak, who sat next to his mom). I hope he gets to play against Zverev on Saturday (although it would be understandable if he succumbs to Mannarino on Friday). When he improves on his volleying, unforced errors and consistency as well as enhances his team, the possibilities for Shapovalov could be phenomenal.
http://montrealgazette.com/sports/rogers-cup-denis-shapovalov-18-stuns-top-seed-rafael-nadal

The hugely-talented Shapovalov beating Nadal on the summer hard courts does not surprise me – had Shapovalov been a more competent volleyer, the match would have been much quicker. Since 2014, in the summer hardcourt events (Canada, Cincinnati, USO), Nadal’s best results were QF at 2015 Canada (Montreal, lost to Lucas Pouille) and R4 at 2016 USO (lost to Nishikori) – in other words, Nadal usually lost by the third round in these events since 2014. Indeed, since Jan 2014 (Qatar Open 250, won against Monfils), Nadal has failed to win a hardcourt title at any level. During this period, Nadal lost in the finals of eight other hardcourt tournaments (outside summer): 2014 AO (lost to Wawrinka), 2014 Miami (lost to Djokovic), Beijing 250 (lost to Djokovic), Basel 500 (lost to Federer), 2016 Qatar 250 (lost to Djokovic), 2017 AO (lost to Federer), 2017 Acapulco 500 (lost to Querrey), 2017 Miami (lost to Federer). Like most years, Nadal may have peaked during the clay season and is unable to sustain that level into the grass court and hard court seasons – unable to dominate the overall tennis tour in the way that Federer and, to a lesser extent, Djokovic have done.

Once again an in-form Federer does not get a chance to play Nadal. Now Roger might have to decide whether he wants to stay in Montreal to fight for the title… or join his family in Cincinnati for the weekend.


J-Kath Says:

Okie: – it was “the fat lady still had to sing” bit. I said on one thread and almost simultaneously you used it on another. Here’s where I need a “smiley face”.


madmax Says:

FedExpress Says:
but wasnt there something in 2009

5-2 up vs tsonga

August 10th, 2017 at 5:56 pm

FedExpress,

You need to get a serious dose of happy before you watch any of Federer’s matches from hereonin. To read your posts make me feel quite depressed.

Yeah, 5:2 against Tsonga FE, but that was then, and this is now. Must be difficult living with you at times.


madmax Says:

The match was daunting, but I did not for one moment think that he would not pull through. He was not really tested in the first round, just powered through it in the style we have become accustomed to since January. When he does not power through, does he fold? No he doesn’t. He dug deep, got the break, found a bit more rhythm and then we saw the champion’s mentality he is born with, this is the Federer I expect to see, if he really wants to win a tournament.

Of course his love for the game is evident. I don’t think that he has won Cincinnati, why is that the case? What has happened in the past for him not to have conquered this tournament? Perhaps he has demons regarding this tournament, but I really think is is all out there to win, to win everything he challenges himself with.

It’s just a joy to see him continue with this incredible success and I don’t know how he does it, where he finds his mental strength, against all odds. It’s just very, very special.


Giles Says:

” his love for the game is evident ….”. Lol. Not love for the game but love for glory more like.
Wish he’d tell us more about his special ” pills”.


FedExpress Says:

stfu Giles


FedExpress Says:

@madmax

hehehe madmax. I will try to return my optimism.

Golden chance to win another HC masters title.

One thing I dont understand is that Federer said that the HC are fast. From TV perspective and looking at the shots and rallies it is quite difficult to hit winners and hit through the opponent.

Sky commentators also were the opinion that the court is slowish.


Giles Says:

Fedexpress. Lol. No I will not stfu. Hit a nerve did I?
36 year old running around like a rabbit, that’s something to ponder over, no?


Arnold Says:

I think Humbilitio is taking pills. He looks like a dog on Rogaine.


Margot Says:

Hi Kath! Have had family/friends staying and haven’t watched any tennis since Wimbledon, so have had nothing “tennissy” to contribute. But will say saw young Denis at Queens where he lost to Berd. The whole stadium, including me, were cheering extremely enthusiastically for Denis…..poor old Berd…..;)


Markus Says:

Let Giles spew out his bilious gut. We should all know by now that it is his way of expressing his frustration when Nadal loses or Federer wins. It gets even worse when both circumstances occur as what happened yesterday. Besides, it really does not change what happened. Just get your feather duster and brush it off. His comments have become so predictable and light, like dust on furniture. They and light and do not leave a mark.


Markus Says:

Oops. Should be: “They are light..”


Markus Says:

I was not able to see the Nadal match as my wife, a big Nadal fan who loves pink but hates it on me, did not want to watch because she said she had a feeling it would not come out well for Nadal. She gets miserable when that happens. However, I was confident Nadal would win because of his recent form which had been incredible until last night. I think he still has a little bit less confidence on hardcourts unlike clay. I really wanted him and Roger to be the two top players all the way to the end of the year. Of course, I want Roger to end up #1 but if not him, I prefer Nadal to take it.


Willow Says:

Cant see Federer not winning this title now, or getting the number 1 ranking ….

Okie and Markus continue to make me laugh ….

Great to see the Federer die hards that stuck around even through the tough times, shame about the rest ….


Tony N Says:

Federer’s biographer Rene Stauffer: “Anyone who thought that the Swiss was still concentrating on Grand Slam victories is deceiving himself.” (translate from German)
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/sport/tennis/federers-appetit-auf-rang-1-erwacht/story/25067061


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Tony, whats the context of that? Now? Last year? Ever?


Markus Says:

TV, I think the title of the article Tony N shared is misleading. Here is a translation of part of that interview and decide for yourself:

When asked on Sunday in Montreal, whether he would prefer to get another Grand Slam title or be the number one again, Federer’s answer makes clear how much the world’s top-level glue again attracts him. Even if he is avoiding: “That is impossible to answer. But it is true: I am so close to number one, and it would be nice to be at the top again with 36 years. Because I’ve already won two Grand Slam tournaments, I would probably prefer this now. “


Daniel Says:

He knows another Year End #1 and he will be co-leader with Sampras 6 year end #1, for another major record where he will be leader or co-leader. And he probably thought a few years ago that he would never be #1 again, specially at an old age. He will set another record as the oldest year end #1.

The only record he will not lead will be total Masters and that can chnage because at the pace he is at, with no Djoko, Murray and Wawa, wouldn´t be surprised if he finished the year with 28-29 Masters. Djoko ain´t increasing his 30 this year and hard to see Nadal winning Masters again this season at Cincy (where he won only once in 2013, his best HC year to date) or Shangai / Paris, which he never won before.

Fed may very well win Montreal – Cincy combo, somehting only Roddick and Nadal did, together with USO. But that is thinking too much ahead, right now he has to beat the guys he should: Agut and Hasse and have a chance at another Masters title come Monday


Daniel Says:

^…title come Sunday”;-)


Okiegal Says:

@Willow 7:53……Well I try to maintain a sense of humor when Rafa is winning or losing. On to Mason…..hopefully he will do better there…….

PS…..Glad I made you laugh!


Markus Says:

That was not the first time Nadal and Shapovalov met across the net. Their first encounter was also at the Roger’s Cup in 2008:

https://i.redd.it/0k7wa9zyd1fz.jpg


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Markus, WOW!!!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Thanks Markus- sounds more like someone who knows he’s playing with house money and doesn’t really care what ‘success’ comes next.


Tony N Says:

Tennis Vagabond: “Tony, whats the context of that? Now? Last year? Ever?”

The answers to your questions are in the above article, once you it translate from German (and use common sense to understand the meaning and context of anything ‘lost in translation’).

Contrary to what Markus said, there is nothing misleading about the title. In the big picture, Stauffer is probably sending a message to tennis commentators, analysts, journalists and writers around the world who have claimed that Federer’s priority is to win grand slam titles at his age and stage of his career.

Rene Stauffer is the person who — outside Roger’s family and team — knows the most about Federer. Stauffer is Switzerland’s top tennis journalist; author of “the Roger Federer Story: Quest For Perfection” book; and knows Federer, his parents, Mirka and Tony Godsick.
http://www.spox.com/de/tennisnet/turniere/atp/1708/Artikel/roger-federer-biograf-rene-stauffer-interview-federers-karriere-ist-kein-zufall.html


Markus Says:

Tony N: I didn’t even have to use common sense in reading that article to know that the title “Anyone who thought that the Swiss was still concentrating on Grand Slam victories is deceiving himself.” is misleading. Nowhere in the article did it say that Roger is not interested in winning majors. And if apply common sense, I would wonder why Roger would continue to play in majors if he is not interested in it. Why do you think he skipped the whole clay season?

Oh, well, Roger himself gave an explanation: Federer posted a message entitled “Roger to skip Roland Garros” on his website on Monday, announcing that he will stay away from competing on clay entirely in 2017 and instead will prepare for the grass- and hard-court events that follow.

Common sense tells me that Roger wants to focus on those majors where he has a much better chances of winning.


Markus Says:

…drop the “a” in that last paragraph. That’s for picky grammar police here.


madmax Says:

FedExpress Says:
@madmax

hehehe madmax. I will try to return my optimism.

Golden chance to win another HC masters title.

One thing I dont understand is that Federer said that the HC are fast. From TV perspective and looking at the shots and rallies it is quite difficult to hit winners and hit through the opponent.

Sky commentators also were the opinion that the court is slowish.

August 11th, 2017 at 4:35 am

FedEx, this is your challenge, but you are great. Great when the going is going well, not so great, when the going gets tough. Chill a while and remember what Federer has been through. He wants to win every match, every match and if he has prepared so well, then he will.

This match though against Agut, he’s a dark horse, seems to have done well in many previous matches, will no doubt give Roger a run for his money.

Willow, I think at some point, you sent to me a link and I seem to have lost your post along the way. Could you resend.

Childs needs to go back to Kindergaten or even the womb, he is so young for this adult site.


madmax Says:

FedEx, yes. I hear what you say. There has been a disagreement as to whether the courts are slower or faster this year. I would think they are slower, I say that because I think it was Rafa who said that the balls seemed heavier here at Cinny, moving more slowly through the air.

It’s Markus who will have the answer to this.


FedExpress Says:

Set and a break up.

Sharp.


Giles Says:

Madmax. Rumour has it that you are an old woman so I guess most are considered a ” child” to you.
Now please tell us whether fed is on soft gels or capsules. Thanking you in advance. Geez he’s still running around like a rabbit. Not surprising tho considering …….


FedExpress Says:

That wasnt in the script.

Break back.


FedExpress Says:

Good response.

3 BPs


FedExpress Says:

Should have made that


FedExpress Says:

Break. Focus Federer.


madmax Says:

Childs. You are correct. I am an old woman, who used to be a man, decided to take a risk, got caught in a bubble, stayed there ever since.

What’s your excuse?


madmax Says:

FedEx,

On the edge of your seat yet?

One set in the bag, but Agut will not give up.

Neither will Fed.


FedExpress Says:

not again Federer


FedExpress Says:

Lol.


FedExpress Says:

Good hold and save.


FedExpress Says:

Federer having dates with the net today. He is approaching it a lot.


FedExpress Says:

Federer serving for a place in the semis


Giles Says:

Madmax. You didn’t answer my question – soft gels or capsules??


FedExpress Says:

Victory.


Markus Says:

This is what the Wichita lineman hears on the line:
“Huhuhu…Federer wins and gets to another semifinal. My heart is broken again. Therapy time. Let me insult him to annoy his happy fans.”


Madmax Says:

Files

You need to ask for a day release. Good luck.

If you are suggesting anything child’s then you had better collate the evidence yourself. Try to use reputable sources I might add and not the you story website or Wikipedia. Then submit it once you are able to remove your strait jacket.


Madmax Says:

FedEx yes. A better game. What a start to the year. What a middle too.

Go federer!

Keep taking the medicine child’s. It might help. Then go lie in a dark room and sing nursery rhymes until the moon disappears.


Berghain Says:

I am German and the Title to the Article Tony N posted is simply not being translated properly.
The correct translation would be “Those who thought Federer was only concentrating on Grand Slam Victories is mistaken” – something like that.


Willow Says:

madmax https://youtu.be/jJV-mF6chSg for you aain ….


Giles Says:

Too much pill popping is not good for the system. Poor fed.


skeezer Says:

well the weak era argument is gone, the “lucky” argument is gone, now we have a Rafa minion trying to start a ridiculous pill popping Fed routine. What makes this argument even funnier is Rafa is having one of his best years moving around the court with arthritic knees @ 30, how is he doing that? I know, Ask the Rafa minion, PED specialist extraordinaire.


Daniel Says:

Skeeze,

Not @30, 31 yld😜


skeezer Says:

@Daniel,
I defer to your good knowledge 😎😀


Daniel Says:

Shapovlov playing great this third set. Almost 30 winners to mannarino 9.

A break up and he can reach semis in hos home tourney.


Markus Says:

Thank you, Berghain. That’s more like it.


Markus Says:

Wasn’t it Nadal who a French lady tennis official referred to as using PEDs? Nadal allegedly has some association with a doctor who supplied PEDs to Spanish athletes, cyclists if I remember correctly. Nadal said he would sue her. What became of that?


Markus Says:

…even the lovely Sharapova who should know about PEDs alluded to that in one of her defiant interviews after she was caught.


Daniel Says:

Wow, what a BH passing shot on the run by Shapovalov, amazing kid! Have just became a fan this tourney. If not Federer hope he wins it all.


Markus Says:

This kid is starting to impress me.


Daniel Says:

He breaks and will serve for the match, awesome another comeback and criwd going crazy.


Daniel Says:

Backing up Nadal win. Can he reach finals?


Markus Says:

Now I’m impressed. If Zverev beats Anderson, we might be finally witnessing the first match of two potential torch carriers of the game.


Humble Rafa Says:

Rafa is having one of his best years moving around the court with arthritic knees @ 30, how is he doing that? I know, Ask the Rafa minion, PED specialist extraordinaire.

You need food for your cats?


skeezer Says:

HR ❤️ Giles


madmax Says:

Giles, I have been looking into some recent posts from you, (not having a life right now, and being an old transgender woman in your books, which is fine by me). Since January this year, there is not one post from you congratulating Federer. So, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that all of this nonsense that flows from your fingers is really in the shape and form of a batty old bint who is fraught with jealousy and denial. You remind me of Miss Havisham, bitterness killed her in the end. Her own bile. But, in order to be fair. I thought really, I had to look into the ‘rumours’ surrounding Rafa and the drug issues surrounding him. This is what I did find and it appears they are not rumours.

Nadal was – according to the leak – given TUEs in 2009 and 2012.

On both occasions, the exemption was for the use of betamethasone, a steroid medication that helps prevents inflammation.

Nadal did not play from June 2012 to February 2013 due to injury. It’s such a shame, because why is it that this is allowed Childs? As you seem to be an expert on popping pills (the ones that you are on though are not doing you any good), time for another trip to the medical centre for you.

Then I recalled, I asked you a question about this many months ago and you did not answer.

Willow, thank you for the link. I will look at it now. :-) (what it is!).


madmax Says:

Willow!

Yes..I love it, I love it. I have watched this over and over and it is my absolute favourite. Thank you for taking me back down memory lane. :-)


Giles Says:

Markus. Hearing postponed till October


Giles Says:

Hey madmax. Have you done any research on what medication fed is on? At least Rafa’s medication is transparent for all to see. Yes he missed all those months whilst in rehab for his ailing knees. Just think if he was in competition how much more fed would have had his butt kicked by Rafa. So be thankful, don’t criticise.


madmax Says:

Giles Says:
Markus. Hearing postponed till October

August 12th, 2017 at 5:07 am

Thans for the update Giles. I didn’t kow that. Keep us all informed won’t you?

Giles,

You really are baseline immature. I feel extremely sorry that you can’t do your own dirty work and look to others to fill in the gaps in your very sad life. You seem to want to find holes in an athlete who is respected worldwide, and you act like the gutter press. Part of the Trump administration is where you should apply for any position, there are thousands I hear. You would do well.

And seriously, don’t give me that – ailing knees? So your the nadal doctor now are you? Rumours have been circulating since he has been on tour, since his physique has changed so drastically. After reading the information about him, I still don’t want to believe it, it seems though, more conclusive but it is what it is and not for anyone other than WADA/ATP to deal with.

As for trying to go for Federer because of his incredible consistency this year, it shows how jealous and misguided you are Giles. I can only feel sympathy and wish you well in your life for a speedy recovery.

19 Grand Slams Giles, and counting, I can understand why you would feel like throwing yourself off a cliff. Try to save yourself by concentrating on the athlete that brings you the most joy. Try to see the good things in life Giles, it might help you overcome your deep depression when watching Federer.


madmax Says:

Another thing Giles.

Rafa was NOT transparent. IF he was transparent, then he would not have tried to hide this information. He had no choice. His medical records were hacked. What could he do? Deny it? I don’t believe that would have been a wise choice for him. Now, as you keep incessantly bringing up this topic, end it Giles with the following:

CONGRATULATIONS FEDERER FOR WINNING AUSTRALIA, WIMBLEDON GRAND SLAM NUMBER 19!

What a sport you would be.


Tony N Says:

Madmax and skeezer: ditto, ditto and ditto

Berghain: ‘I am German… (the title) is simply not being translated properly… The correct translation would be “Those who thought Federer was only concentrating on Grand Slam Victories is mistaken” ‘

Fehlanzeige! Your so-called “correct translation” is incorrect: the words “der Schweizer” literally mean “the Swiss”. The quoted title did not mention “Federer”.

However, your common sense correctly understood that “der Schweizer” was referring to Federer, given the context of the rest of the title and the article.

The rest of your so-called “correct translation” was, similarly, just nitpicking. There is not much difference in meaning between my Google translation and your so-called “correct translation” of the same title.

The title “Wer dachte, der Schweizer konzentriere sich nur noch auf Grand-Slam-Siege, täuscht sich”) can be translated to: Anyone who thought (or ‘whoever thought/believed’ or ‘those who thought/believed’ or ‘who thought/believed’)… the Swiss… was still concentrating on Grand Slam victories (or ‘focuses only on Grand Slam victories’ or ‘was only concentrating on Grand Slam victories’)… is deceiving themselves (or ‘is wrong’ or ‘is mistaken’ or ‘is deluding themselves’).

Applying some common sense: simply only add “only” to the Google translation. It’s really not a big deal, is it.


Tony N Says:

Markus: “Nowhere in the article did it say that Roger is not interested in winning majors.”
Nowhere in the title did it say that Roger is not interested in winning majors :)
Furthermore, the article mentions that when asked whether he’d prefer another grand slam or the world number one ranking, Federer replied: “But it is true: I am so close to Number One, and it would be nice to be at the top again at 36 years. Because I’ve already won two Grand Slam tournaments (this season), I would probably prefer this now.” Since you mentioned this point in an earlier post, our common sense tells us that you are really quite clear about what this article is about.
Thus the title “Anyone who thought that the Swiss was still concentrating on Grand Slam victories is deceiving himself” is NOT misleading, if only we use some common sense to understand its context and meaning.

Markus: “And if apply common sense, I would wonder why Roger would continue to play in majors if he is not interested in it. Why do you think he skipped the whole clay season?”
If we really apply better common sense, I would wonder why Roger would skip a major championship (Roland Garros)if he is interested in winning more majors. Given he had beaten Nadal four matches in a row, Roger could have simply showed up at the French Open to see how far he could go from keeping points short by playing ultra-aggressive tennis.

Markus: “Oh, well, Roger himself gave an explanation: Federer posted a message entitled “Roger to skip Roland Garros” on his website on Monday, announcing that he will stay away from competing on clay entirely in 2017 and instead will prepare for the grass- and hard-court events that follow. Common sense tells me that Roger wants to focus on those majors where he has a much better chances of winning.”
Actually, you gave yourself an explanation by plagiarizing from part of this Tennis Mag article. However, you conveniently omitted to quote Federer’s actual posted message – since it does not support your theory that Roger wants to focus on those majors where he has a much better chances of winning.
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/05/roger-federer-says-he-will-skip-french-open/66053/
This is what Roger actually stated on his website: “Roger to skip Roland Garros; will focus on the grass & hardcourt season. Regrettably, I’ve decided not to participate in the French Open. I’ve been working really hard, both on and off the court, during the last month but in order to try and play on the ATP World Tour for many years to come, I feel it’s best to skip the clay court season this year and prepare for the grass and hard court seasons. The start to the year has been magical for me but I need to recognize that scheduling will be the key to my longevity moving forward. Thus, my team and I concluded today that playing just one event on clay was not in the best interest of my tennis and physical preparation for the remainder of the season… Roger” Hmm, he said nothing about wanting to win majors where he has better chances of winning.


Giles Says:

More favouritism for the old f@rt, he gets the first sf in order for him to be fresh for the final.
Madmax. Btw rumours are just that, rumours. Show me the facts. You are starting to sound like mat4, remember him with all his conspiracy theories regarding Rafa?
Sooo, you really think fed is lily white? Lol.
Btw you talk too much.


madmax Says:

Tony N Says:
Madmax and skeezer: ditto, ditto and ditto

Tony N,

Ditto


Giles Says:

https://www.sapeople.com/2017/01/31/watch-famous-federer-nadal-laughing-clip-speeded-like-helium/
Madmax. Here’s something to put a smile on your grumpy old face, perhaps! Lol


madmax Says:

Giles,

I am going to respectfully ask you not to keep stalking me. I made the wrong decision responding to your inflammatory posts and then realised than entering into any form of discussion with you was well below my capabilities and literary expertise. I haven’t clicked onto your link as I think it may cause you a serious heart attack, and I don’t want to be responsible for that.

Get Fit. Eat well. Be healthy Giles.


Berghain Says:

@Tony D

The only point I was making was the difference between – this part:

“Federer is still concentrating on Grandslams”

and the correct translation

“Federer is only concentrating on Grandslams”

There is a big difference between the two, some might misunderstand the first translation and think Fed is not concentrating on Grandslams anymore. Yes for you it might of been obvious but perhaps for others not.


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

#Markus. It was Dr. Eufemianio Fuentes. Hi is a Spanish doctor who was busted for providing doping services for a lot of top cyclists. Rumor had it there were a lot of athletes from other sports specifically soccer and tennis as clients. There was supposed to be a list of them. During the trial the judge had it destroyed. I would be interested to see who is on that list.


Giles Says:

^^^^ Lololol. If the list has been destroyed how on earth can you even talk about seeing it.


Okiegal Says:

@JK 4:01……Well, if I saw your comment, it didn’t stay with me long…..since my 2008 stroke, short term memory loss is gone! Love the saying, it’s used a lot in the realm of sports. Here ya’ go girl! 😊😊😊


Okiegal Says:

@Giles 7:56 I love this clip of them. Even though their respective fan bases can’t stand either player, they have always seemed to like each other!


Tony N Says:

Berghain, you should be more accurate: your misquote “Federer is still concentrating on Grandslams” differs from my Google translation “the Swiss was still concentrating on Grand Slam victories”

In any case, to clear things up, I asked the editor of the Swiss newspaper Tages Anzeiger for the correct translation of their article title: “Überraschende Antworten von Federer: Wer dachte, der Schweizer konzentriere sich nur noch auf Grand-Slam-Siege, täuscht sich.” I prefer the getting the “correct translation” from the horse’s mouth rather than from those who presume to know the correct translation.

I just received this reply from a senior journalist at Tages Anzeiger: “Surprising answers from Federer: Who thought the Swiss would concentrate on Grand Slam titles alone, is wrong.” This is the official correct translation.

Thus “Who thought the Swiss would concentrate on Grand Slam titles alone, is wrong” is the relevant part of the official Tages Anzeiger translation (I had not included the first part of the title when I originally posted it)

The Google translation that I originally used: “Anyone who thought that the Swiss was still concentrating on Grand Slam victories is deceiving himself.”

Berghain’s translation: “Those who thought Federer was only concentrating on Grand Slam Victories is mistaken” Berghain keeps presuming his version is the “correct translation”.

This should clear things up. As I said, it is nitpicking. Those who read any news article title (even in the English media) or read a Google-translated article are expected to exercise common sense, discretion and good judgment in order to understand the meaning and context of what they read. If a person needs to be spoon fed every aspect of meaning, then they should not be reading such articles. Nuff said.


Markus Says:

Tony N, you are so riled up about that German article. All I said was that the title which you posted accompanying the website link was misleading. You posted: “Anyone who thought Federer was still concentating on Grand Slam victories is deceiving himself” (please note that I did not accuse you of plagiarizing like you did to me when both of us did the same thing, posted translations).

As Berghain who is German said, the title was not translated properly and the correct interpretation is: “Those who thought Federer was only concentrating on Grand Slam victories is mistaken”.

Can you detect the difference between the two statements? The first, the one you posted, implies that Federer has stopped concentrating on winning majors. As I said, nowhere in that article was that impllied

in the proper translation given by Berghain, it implies that Federer concentrates on other tournaments just as well, not just the majors. That’s is what was explained further in the article.


Markus Says:

…and with that, I rest my case. I want to go back to tennis and be happy that Roger has reached another finals.


Okiegal Says:

I believe the post by Old School on Aug 10 @ 11:14 got the PED discussion started when Rafa was referred to as “chem boy Nadal”…….that riled me up too Giles!


Markus Says:

Berghain, I just read your most recent post. It was Tony N ho did not get it right because he was insisiting that the incorrect translation which he posted is not misleading. The German text and your translation are not mislaeding. The incorrect translation Tony N keeps defending is misleading.


Markus Says:

Okie, it was Giles who starred this PED discussion when he started insinuating that Federer is on it. He must have forgotten that if there us any of the Big 4 who is openly questioned about it’s use, it is Nadal. As you may have read, there is a case going on where Nadal is involved. Giles is not Nadal’s hero. He is Nadal’s pest.


Berghain Says:

Markus, no worries. I think we can all some-what agree now. Also we are all Fed fans so no point that we discuss it further as you said.

Should be a really good match tomorrow. Looking forward to it.


Tony N Says:

Markus: The irony is that while you incorrectly claimed that the title was ‘misleading’ when it is not… I have proven above that you used misleading information to support your claim that “Roger wants to focus on those majors where he has much better chances of winning”.

Regardless, the Swiss-German newspaper informed me that the correct translation and interpretation is: “Who thought the Swiss would concentrate on Grand Slam titles alone, is wrong.” I had emailed the editor of the Swiss-German newspaper to ask for the correct translation of their title.

Furthermore, the entire article pertains to Federer’s chances of achieving the Number One ranking. in the article Federer explained that “I am so close to Number One, and it would be nice to be at the top again at 36 years. Because I’ve already won two Grand Slam tournaments (this season), I would probably prefer this now (being Number One).”

Thus we can stop bickering about the translation since we now have the official translation that clears things up about what the title means. So your presumption is wrong that Berghain’s inaccurate translation of the title provides the correct interpretation (“Those who thought Federer was only concentrating on Grand Slam victories is mistaken”). I’ve already shown that Berghain keeps adding ‘Federer’ to the title – even though the title does not mention Federer by name, only “the Swiss” (or the Swiss person/player). Berghain also adds “Federer” into my Google translation – even though the word is not there.

As I said, it is nitpicking.

Those who read any news article title (even in the English media) or read a Google-translated article are expected to use some common sense, discretion and good judgment in order to understand the meaning and context of what they read. If a person needs to be spoon fed the entire meaning of everything they read, then they should not be reading such articles.


skeezer Says:

OK,
Markus is right, Giles started this with accusing Fed of pill popping….
Jealousy gets you nowhere.


Okiegal Says:

@Markus…. I can’t say that Old School’s comment prompted Giles to comment farther down in the thread regarding Fed……don’t know …..probably didn’t. But what I am saying is that when I read it, I was almost compelled to say something myself in retaliation. And yes I have read everything out there regarding Rafa and PEDs…nothing new…..Do I think Fed and Rafa would ever use PEDs??? No I really don’t. Rafa is too paranoid about his body to ingest anything performance enhancing and Roger has perfect genetics for sports and wouldn’t need to…..just saying.


Okiegal Says:

Skeezer….. my above post explains my thoughts a little better……


J-Kath Says:

Much of the above reminds me of Shakespeare, specifically his “Much Ado About Nothing”.


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