Kyrgios Cleans Nadal’s Clock, Big 4-Less Semifinal Set In Cincinnati
by Sean Randall | August 19th, 2017, 12:59 am
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A rather uneventful day in the Cincinnati men’s draw Friday finished with a loud, thunderous boom as Nick Kyrgios all but destroyed Rafael Nadal 6-2, 7-5 in the quarterfinals.

“Being a little kid playing on centre court of Cincinnati against Nadal, that’s the way the best has to come out,” said Kyrgios.

Kyrgios, who lost to Rafa the last two times they played after beating him at Wimbledon, came out with a purpose and quickly blitzed Nadal breaking him twice to go up 3-0. The set was effectively over. Playing at hyper-speed and crushing forehands, crushings serves, Kyrgios raced to a 6-2 first set in 25 minutes.

Nadal had no answer early on. Had no read of Nick’s serve and standing back, standing up to return wasn’t making much of a difference. And on serve, he won just one single point of 8 on his second serve in the opening set.

In the second, just when it looked like momentum would change Rafa’s way, it didn’t. Thanks to two Kyrgios double faults, Nadal had 15-30 and then break point at 30-40 on the Kyrgios serve at 2-1 in the second, but Nadal couldn’t convert.

Then, as it happens so often, promptly Nadal dropped serve in the next game.

Kyrgios resumed his roll until he had to serve for it at 5-4. And the kid got tight and couldn’t close it right then. But inexplicably, Nadal was broken at love in the next game at 5-all and then Kyrgios cashed it in with a final ace to register his second win over Rafa and another Big 4 scalp.

“He obviously is a tough match always,” said Nadal. “Nick is a great player, but I played poorly. I started the match well and then I played a very bad game in the second set when he broke me. I played some good points. He had some mistakes and I was able to be back in the match. And then I played a terrible game. So it was a bad match for me. Congrats to him. That’s it.

“I love this tournament so much. It is improving every year. But I don’t know why I don’t find my rhythm here. It is tough for me to compete well here. But I’m going to keep trying next year.”

Kyrgios is into his second Masters semifinal and what’s scary is, before the match he even said on TV that he still wasn’t feeling 100%. Well, I’m sure he’s feeling better now.

Sure, Nadal was playing his second match of the day, but so too was Nick. And playing four sets or five shouldn’t be an issue.

Kyrgios moves on to meet another Spaniard, former finalist David Ferrer who got past No. 3 seed Dominic Thiem 6-3, 6-3.

In the other semifinal, 2013 finalist John Isner will face 2016 semifinalist Grigor Dimitrov. Both had routine wins today over first-time Masters quarterfinalists.

Isner enjoyed his third straight American wildcard by beating Jared Donaldson 7-6(4), 7-5. Dimitrov overwhelmed Japanese No. 2 Yuichi Sugita 6-2, 6-1.

“It’s a good feeling, for sure,” Dimitrov said. “It’s a good feeling. I like playing in Cincinnati. I love that centre court, as well. I think all that brings me good memories and just a positive way of thinking when I come out there on the court.

“I think that was about it, to be honest. I didn’t think I did anything spectacular except playing the game the right way today. Just glad to get off court for about an hour. Save some energy and prepare for tomorrow.

“It was just one of those days that you just had to adjust to the conditions. I just had to adjust a lot to the conditions. It was pretty swirly out there. I knew what I had to do against him. From the first point, I think I was on top of the game. That carried me on throughout the whole match.”

Earlier, Nadal didn’t play his best but good enough to eliminated Albert Ramos-Vinolas 7-6(1), 6-2 while Kyrgios had to come from a set down and a mini-break down in the second set breaker to deny Ivo Karlovic 4-6, 7-6(6), 6-3.

So that leaves us with no Big 4 players in a Masters event for the first time since 2012 Paris which was won by Ferrer. And get used to it. They are old, they are injured and they are fading away.

As for Rafa, once again he just cannot get it done on hardcourts. Last year he got blown out by Borna Coric in Cincinnati. But then it was in part because of fatigue from the Olympics. This year? Playing two matches? No.

Rafa just has issues on hardcourts and faster surfaces where his serve, especially second serve, gets more exposed. And it’s the second half the year and that’s been the pattern. Therefore, my guess is something like this is going to happen to him at the US Open. Unless he has a truly gift of a draw, someone will get him.

As for tomorrow, it’s anyone’s guess. Only Ferrer has won a Masters before but if Kyrgios plays like he did tonight he should win the title. Then again, Ferrer is going to make Nick work and I don’t know how “up” Kyrgios will be for facing a Ferrer vs a Rafa.

“I’m not even looking ahead,” Kyrgios added. “Obviously tomorrow against Ferrer, it’s going to be a tough battle. He’s a great competitor. I don’t even know how long he’s been on tour for. Looks like he’s trying to find his range again. Looks like he’s playing much better now than he was last year.

“I know that he’s feeling confident. To beat Dominic in straight sets. He’s beat guys like Jack Sock the last couple of weeks, as well. He’s playing good tennis against good players. I know it’s going to be tough.”

In the first semi, Isner got that serve going and he’s been to a Masters final before, so I lean slightly his way. But Dimitrov should win it, though probably won’t.

“Moving on to tomorrow, I should be feeling good,” said Isner. “Just looking forward to that. Against Grigor, he’s playing well this week. He’s won some matches pretty easily. I think physically both of us should be coming into this match both feeling pretty good, not too haggard. We both should have a lot of confidence as well. So it’s going to be a tough match. Very well could be my toughest match. It’s one that I’m looking forward to and I know he is.”

Moving on, we’ll crown a new Cincinnati champion on Sunday.

SATURDAY CINCINNATI SCHEDULE
WTA – [1] K. Pliskova (CZE) vs [4] G. Muguruza (ESP)

Not Before 2:00 pm
ATP – [14] J. Isner (USA) vs [7] G. Dimitrov (BUL)

Not Before 4:00 pm
WTA – [WC] S. Stephens (USA) vs [2] S. Halep (ROU)

Not Before 7:00 pm
ATP – N. Kyrgios (AUS) vs D. Ferrer (ESP)
WTA DOUBLES FINAL – S. Hsieh (TPE) / M. Niculescu (ROU) vs [2] Y. Chan (TPE) / M. Hingis (SUI)


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89 Comments for Kyrgios Cleans Nadal’s Clock, Big 4-Less Semifinal Set In Cincinnati

John Rand Says:

Oh really … “They are old, they are injured and they are fading away”. What are you, 16?

The next gen guys have talent and they better start beating the “big four” more often but 7 of the top 10 are hurt and still the oldest of the big four are leading in the rankings.

Kyrios doesn’t have close to the durability of Federer or Djokovic and he might be able to concentrate for long enough to win something good but then he will get hurt again and falter.


skeezer Says:

^don’t believe it!
From his own mouth;
Montreal:
“Need to accept what happened, that I played badly.”
From Cinci:
“And then I played a terrible game. So it was a bad match for me. Congrats to him. That’s it.”
Admittingly playing bad nowadays. Welcome to the truth……and Hardcourts.


Giles Says:

^^^ Howz your man’s back or is it the knee? Lol


AndyMira Says:

Yeah,yeah Skeezer!…We Rafans already know that he played badly nowadays okay?…In fact he played badly for the last 2 1/2 years outside of clay with the exception of Olympic last year…What’s new??…But,u don’t have to keep on rub the salt on the wound okay?It’s painful enough as it is!


Giles Says:

AM. Don’t take much notice of that poster. He’s sulking cos the back’s out!


J-Kath Says:

AndyMira:

Rafa is No.1 – he can afford the odd hiccup – and he’ll be No.1 at the US Slam —- ignore the blah, blah blah – and smile beauteously while others scratch their dandruff….


AndyMira Says:

JK & Giles!…Thank u guys!…Yeah,i will keep quiet now…


Markus Says:

I think Kyrgios is the best and the most dangerous of all the new guys in tennis. I hope he will clear up his head and focus on the game because he has enormous talent and it would be a pity if he does not fulfill his potentials due to factors he could control.


Daniel Says:

Cheering for Kyrgios tp go all the way. This Masters and 1000 pts could be vital to place him in London.

Nadal, Fed, Zverev and Thiem are a shoe in, so there are 4 spots left. Murray if recovered from injury will qualify,so there are actually 3. Cilic still a question mark so probably Dimi, Kyrgios and maybe Raonic/Goffin/Berdych/Querrey


Humble Rafa Says:

Need to accept what happened

I am only number 1. I can be number zero but they won’t let me. I have the accept that I am merely a goat and goat owner.


the_mind_reels Says:

Always entertaining to witness the posters duke it out over which player said what about their favorite ;) Skeez — you know I’m a Fed fan!

Kyrgios is perhaps a talented politician as well, though I suspect he likes to pump up his own victories with statements like that (which, for what it’s worth, I think are merited).

I’d like to think Kyrgios is making a real effort to mature as a player and to find his focus. He’s definitely brazen, to put it mildly, but I think that helps him a lot. What he lacks is fear against players like Nadal, which is key to beating him. He knows he’ll win more often than not against Nadal on a quick court, so he just needs to believe and step up. And he did that last night.

Nadal may feel like he again played very poorly, but the truth is that this is just the same pattern we’ve seen for years now: he struggles against big hitters on fast courts, and so as someone above noted, unless the draw completely opens up for him in New York, it seems like a tall task to go deep at the Open. He got back to #1, which is incredible, and now has some time to rest before New York, which is probably the best thing for him.


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

@Humble Rafa that goat you say you own has broke the leash the last few times you played him.


Giles Says:

lol skeezer. You post that dated March 2017? He obviously changed his mind in August 2017.


the_mind_reels Says:

^ 😂😂😂

I’m trying to remember what happened since March of this year. Ah, yes: Nadal won RG and then Federer won Wimbledon.


skeezer Says:

lol Giles. You win the FO and you become “the greatest of all time”? Highly doubt it.
Krygios knows good and well who the greatest is. BTW his played his cards right by saying “arguably”. Didn’t say that with Fed.

It’s all just in response to your desperate attempt to post something positive after consecutive “bad losses” by RN on HC. Can’t blame ya though, he is having a tough go on the HC season.

My view about NK and his quotes fall in line with the mind reels.


Andrew Miller Says:

Mr. Randall, great analysis. I’m surprised Nadal didn’t put the clamps down on Kyrgios and that Kyrgios’ back didn’t buckle on him – Nadal was upset with his performance and seems to be heading into the us open either with low confidence or in need of some coaching around a few areas to shorten up points on the hardcourts. US open may revive him too as a former champ in the big apple.

The no big four at the end of the tournament is shocking, and with most of them injured, or half of them in Wawrinka and Djokovic, or injured spiritually and emotionally (see Djokovic and his guru buddy), is something.

Never can count the #1 and #2 out though – mind and heart of a champion matter, so too the experience of a Cilic etc. We might have four non big four semifinalists as soon as Australia.

That said – I’m very doubtful about the heart and mind of Kyrgios, Zverev Alex etc. Zverev Alex has shown himself to be a world class best of three set player, but that hasn’t been the case at the slams, where he’s been put prepared


Andrew Miller Says:

Guys who’ve been in the big matches still hold the cards at the slams. It may be Tsonga etc. But it’s inevitable and somewhere on the horizon. The big four will be affected by conditions or having to play back to back matches or something, and like Lendl and Becker and Agassi with the mid court aspirin, they’ll opt for handing trophies to the next generation in a suit and tie rather than suiting up.

We’re not there yet, and Federer and Nadal have shown they don’t have any peers in best of five set matches – it takes a miracle to beat them at slams.

But like the wta, whose stars have migrated to the sidelines for now at least, other players will have a say. I just doubt their courage.

If they win big matches at the us open and escape early rounds and eager opponents and find themselves in week two, then I think the ATP order will unravel. But they have never done that and i think they are still too intimidated to take out Federer and Nadal and Murray in the biggest matches.


Giles Says:

Skeezer. Rafa didn’t just win the FO, he won it for the TENTH time. You know LA DECIMA!!


Tennisfan Says:

Why can’t he play like he did in 2013? It’s so frustrating. And to get broken back immediately at 5-5. That seemed like he was not even thinking. He is world no.1 and playing like a joker.
Losing is fine, but to lose like that is ridiculous.


Markus Says:

Too bad Nadal lost to Kyrgios last night. Some of his fans are already quite ornery even when Rafa loses. Can you imagine how much more they will be in victory? Nadal may be gracious in defeat but I cannot say the same to his more rabid fans.


Giles Says:

Lol. “Some of his fans are already quite ornery even when Rafa loses” . ” even when” or do you mean ” only when”?


Truth Says:

Fed fans are always bitterly jealous because Fed was left with “fans” such as Roddick, Safin, Hewitt and Gonzalez.


J-Kath Says:

Sean says:
“So that leaves us with no Big 4 players in a Masters event for the first time since 2012 Paris which was won by Ferrer. And get used to it. They are old, they are injured and they are fading away”.

It strikes me as extraordinary that anyone can reach the above conclusion given that it is the first and hence only time since 2012 that such an occasion occurred.

INJURED: OK: 3 out of 4 were injured
OLD: 3 out of 4 are younger than 2 of the Cincy semi-finals.
FADING AWAY: 2 out of 4 won this year’s Grand Slams and collectively 4 have won virtually every Grand Slam for the past ten years.
AND 3 out of 4 have won a huge majority of all Masters to date.

Phew – Lordie – Gasp.


Tony N Says:

Giles: “NK ” He is arguably the greatest tennis player of all time…” blah, blah, blah and “lol skeezer. You post that dated March 2017? He obviously changed his mind in August 2017.”

Actually Kyrgios changed his mind after just 12 seconds. At 1:35 on the source clip, after blurting out “he’s ARGUABLY the greatest of all time…”, Kyrgios later clarified: “…he’s going to go down as ONE OF the greatest.” The second-hand article you quoted conveniently omitted this. This is what happens when players are spewing sound bites in front of a TV camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6o_ZpzmocY

I can’t think of another player who became number one after a series of defeats on two different surfaces over the previous 11 weeks – this is a pattern that fits previous patterns… it’s not the odd hiccup. Nadal was able to become number one because of the unusually low ranking points held by outgoing number one Murray as well as injuries to key rivals like Federer and Djokovic.

When 31-year old Nadal becomes No. 1 on Monday, he will have only 7,645 points. That’s the lowest points held by a number one player since at least well before 2003 (maybe even the 1990s) — if today’s ranking points structure and formula is applied to previous eras (in those eras, the tournaments were awarded half the points given today, so winning a grand slam gets only 1,000 points and winning a Masters gets 500 points).

I think all the number ones in the early 2000s (Andy Roddick, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Lleyton Hewitt, Andre Agassi, Marat Safin, Gustavo Kuerten, Pete Sampras) would have had more than Nadal’s 7,645 points based on today’s ranking points formula.

In 2012, 31-year old Federer had 12,165 points when he was number one. In 2006, Federer had 8,370 points under the old ranking points formula so he would have had over 16,500 points today. When Federer first reached number one after 2004 Australian Open, he had 5,225 points (worth over 10,000 points today) in order to surpass Juan Carlos Ferrero’s 4,345 and Andy Roddick’s 4,335 (which are both worth over 8,500 points today).

Anyway, those are the facts.


Giles Says:

Federer this Federer that. Federer is nursing a back injury ATM!!!


Markus Says:

Giles, since you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Rabid Rafa fans of your kind are ornery when he wins. That’s a given. Last night he lost and in spite of that you still remain ornery. Hence “even when he loses” and clearly not “only when he loses”. In short, you are ornery all the time and even worse when he wins. Maybe you can understand that better now. Unfortunately. if you are in denial, you will still not get it. But don’t worry, I understand because se it may st hurt to see him lose just when you think he is going to do well. Failure can have deleterious effects on the psyche.


Giles Says:

And by the way, since when does it matter how many points the #1 player has to accumulate to become #1??
Is there any stipulation as such?
The truth is that no one player is dominating 2017 and therefore the ranking points are diluted.
Now, if federer won the French Open which he conveniently didn’t enter he would probably have bagged the #1 spot with a huge lead over the rest. So there you have it. The #1 spot will probably change hands a few times because of the small difference between 1 and 2.


Tony N Says:

Giles: “^^^ Howz your man’s back or is it the knee? Lol” blah, blah, blee, blee and blah “Don’t take much notice of that poster. He’s sulking cos the back’s out!”

Skeezer won’t be sulking since he is experienced and very used to Federer’s many real injuries over the years – including real injuries so severe that it requires surgery (2016 knee) or he has to use crutches (2005 ankle). Below is an interactive photo of some of Federer’s injuries and illnesses – even this is missing several of Federer’s other injuries, e.g., separate injuries in 2005 led to his withdrawal from Rome 2005 (both feet injured), Montreal 2005 (foot injury), Madrid Indoor 2005 and Paris 2005 (right ankle ligament tears).
http://tinyurl.com/yam35a6n

These are real injuries that Federer has… not the type of injuries where, after whining about his knees being injured, the whining player avoids losses at major hardcourt tournaments to go water skiing in an island resort in one year and play golf tournaments in another year.

That said, my guess is that Federer’s latest injury and subpar performance is probably due to his prematurely returning to the tour with inadequate fitness/conditioning and practice (even though he said “practice is overrated” at a Montreal post-match interview) after an extended post-Wimbledon vacation. Federer was able to absorb three five setters without injury or exhaustion at the Australian Open because he was probably much fitter and better conditioned after several months of training at the end of 2016. [Zverev, who lost one week earlier than Federer at Wimbledon, probably had a shorter vacation and got back to training and practice so that he was fit and ready to go at Washington.]. Hopefully, Federer’s back heals soon and he returns to the practice court using the Wilson US Open balls. The only three players who have the possibility of being number one at the end of the US Open are Federer, Nadal and Murray.


Okiegal Says:

Here we go again…….is the GOAT thread still around?? Lol

@ AM….. great post way up there……..spot on!

Rafa is number one like it or not. Had a great clay season. that insured this ranking…….oopsy…… clay isn’t a real sur-frace, I totally forgot……….yeah right! VAMOS!!!!

Good match going on atm…….GO BIG JOHN!!


Willow Says:

Okie exactly , and who cares, lets enjoy the tennis ….


Willow Says:

Dimi wins first set ….


Okiegal.... Says:

Willow……Yes let’s!!! 🙄🙄🙄 Grrr…….. 😡😡😡


Giles Says:

https://twitter.com/jane79591745/status/898946766837436416
Since there’s no fed thread I have no choice but to post this here.
Don’t laugh too hard folks! ROFL


Willow Says:

Giles i think the Jane on there, is the same one that used to post here, the Canadian Novak fan, taking a dig at Federer, it would seem shes not as angelic as she appeared here ….


Giles Says:

Willow. That IS the same Jane


J-Kath Says:

I do not think it is the same Jane – Jane who used to support Nole was much more academic.


Giles Says:

JK. It is the very same Jane. I follow her twitter a/c


Tony N Says:

Giles: “Don’t laugh too hard folks! ROFL”

Why would anybody laugh at that? We should instead be laughing at Giles and Jane for believing what some unknown person has claimed without providing proof (in this age of cellphone cameras).


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

Well done Grigor. You know on these servebot matches they ought to give the option if both players agree of just skipping the sets and going direct to the tiebreaker.


Andrew Miller Says:

If Nadal or Federer or Murray win us open, that will tame the talk about the big four meltdown. They are still the best players by far at slams, though the second tier or Cilic Del Potro and then Berdych Tsonga etc still have the ability to win epic five set or slam matches.
Kyrgios has shown the ability to make the second week of slams, Raonic of course and Thiem.
But Kyrgios breaks down when challenged and he’s more frail physically. Raonic might lose a battle of attrition in NYC too.
That leaves Thiem, whose game isn’t compact enough to hoist a us open trophy I don’t think.
So to me the us open is still in the hands of a veteran, maybe a surprise veteran too who upsets the ailing top two players, but likely someone who’s been there before and can handle the rigor and emotion of big matches.
That isnt likely to be kyrgios despite his ridiculous and crazy talent. Or Alex Zverev despite a smooth game.
But those two guys will make it interesting in the near future when Nadal and Federer and Murray hang up their racquets and give the young guys some open road.
Just not today. Those guys aren’t done yet at all.


J-Kath Says:

Giles:

Re: Jane If you say so – but it bewilders me – she was extremely “proper” and usually very formal in her Tx posts – as well as very much a dedicated admirer of Nole.


chrisford1 Says:

10:24AM – One of Humble Rafa’s best posts ever!


Wog Boy Says:

…and what exactly jane said in that tweet that is not “proper”?

Taking a pot shots on person that is not posting anymore and spying on her, t4t couldn’t be more right in giving description about certain poster, last time she took pot shots on Yolita, another Nole fan that doesn’t post here anymore.


chrisford1 Says:

Tony N’s point exercise is nice oolie stats! no one really cares to much about..You can’t compare the points in 2006, in a weak era, to the high competition era of Rafa and Nole faced, all throughout their careers.
And Big Congrats to Nadal on making #1 again, his 4th time back at the Top of the rankings. Fed has 3, Novak has made #1 at 3 different times.


t4t Says:

I thought that was a great post by Jane whoever she might be. Nothing improper. Wonderfully hilarious!
Wog boy, nice to see you back!


t4t Says:

Poor Tony N is disappointed there are no pictures! ?Ha ha!


skeezer Says:

Big congrats to Nick… Ferrer has been playing tough as of late, and Nick played 2 matches yeaterday.


Daniel Says:

Great that either one of Dimi or Kyrgios will finally have a masters.

Didn’t see nothing in that twitter offensive to Federer. Anyone who went to big tourneys saw fans doing crazy thinks. Saw something similar in RG 2015 with Nadal posters and some woman as well.

These days of selfies anyone with a camera can produce ridiculous situations, specially towards some iconic figures.


FedExpress Says:

2 semis, no one could break each others serve. 4 Tie Breakers played.


Willow Says:

Whos Yolita ?, and dont even remember a Yolita, and this is coming from a poster that takes pot shots about just about every poster, pot calling kettle there ….


Margot Says:

Tennisfansince1976 @ 5.24 pm: what a brilliant idea. In fact it should be THE LAW whenever Isner plays!


Willow Says:

t4t i didnt personally attack you in any of my posts !


Willow Says:

Andrew Miller its hard to see alot of these players having the stamina for best of 5 sets over the big 4 ….


Wog Boy Says:

“Whos Yolita ?, and dont even remember a Yolita…”

Not just taking a potshots at people who don’t post anymore, bitching all the time but now even blatantly lying, just few week ago Giles posted another tweet and it involved Yolita, your comment to Giles was excatly this one… “Yolita was one very biased Nole fan”.
This is not first time you are having a go at jane, during Miami after somebody posted video of those fedfanatics bashing full size cardboard with Nole’s picture you sheepishly asked posters to look at the tweet of someone called “jane” in that video (what a coincidence to pick “someone” called jane) and how she called Federer fans “wankers”, which wasn’t true since she called only those three idiots bashing Nole’s cardboard wankers, but not generally Federer fans. You probably don’t remember that either. This time around you are judging her “not so angelic” on what ground who on earth are you to judge somebody that never insulted anyone on this forum nor disrespected anyone?
Pure jealousy since you are not worth one jane’s fingernail!


Wog Boy Says:

“Whos Yolita ?, and dont even remember a Yolita…”

Not just taking a potshots at people who don’t post anymore, bit€hing all the time but now even blatantly lying, just few week ago Giles posted another tweet and it involved Yolita, your comment to Giles was excatly this one… “Yolita was one very biased Nole fan”.
This is not first time you are having a go at jane, during Miami after somebody posted video of those fedfanatics bashing full size cardboard with Nole’s picture you sheepishly asked posters to look at the tweet of someone called “jane” in that video (what a coincidence to pick “someone” called jane) and how she called Federer fans “wank€rs”, which wasn’t true since she called only those three bashing Nole’s cardboard wank€rs, but not generally Federer fans. You probably don’t remember that either. This time around you are judging her as “not so angelic” on what ground who on earth are you to judge somebody that never insulted anyone on this forum nor disrespected anyone?
Pure jealousy since you are not worth one jane’s fingernail!


Wog Boy Says:

t4t
Thanks, just passing by… but just on time;)


Van Persie Says:

WB,

Come on, a person who tweets something, which includes the words “french kiss” has to be the opposite of angelic.:)

The tweet posted by Giles was funny, but the comments here afterwards made me ROFL.


Wog Boy Says:

Hi VB,

Good time to catch up, no stress involved since our man is on indefinite leave;)


Wog Boy Says:

^^Should say VP


Van Persie Says:

Exactly WB :)

Btw, good decision by Djoko. Much better so than to see him struggling. A well deserved break for Nole fans.

Hope Dimi wins tonight.


Wog Boy Says:

I am with you on Dimi, he is running out of the time, Kyrgios has plenty of time, unless he decides to switch to basketball:)


J-Kath Says:

Well now – the missing links are back – WB & VP – why not put us up-to-date on Nole? Has he put on weight – is the Guru still around? Fitness improvements?

Right now, I’m rooting for Kyrgios to beat Grigor in the final hoping that a win will stimulate Kyrgios for the future….as he’s got more future potential than opponent.


Giles Says:

Toni N. Do you really want ” proof” of the fedfans kissing his poster? That’s gross. Just as well there isn’t any.


Wog Boy Says:

JK,

I am wrong person to ask that, I am not on social media (no FB, tweeter, instagram…), you probably know more than me. I only follow everyday news on TV, radio or papers here and back in the old country and there is not much about Nole, not at all. The only thing I know that he is in MC with family and according to this short video having fun and doesn’t worry much about the tennis. Check the video (the news is in Serbian so just skip it) in this link when he interrupts practice session of his friend, saxophone player Nikola Demonja in MC, BTW he still looks very thin:

https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.kurir.rs/amp/2897835/video-s-noletom-je-uvek-sou-djokovic-se-pojavio-ni-od-kuda-zaigrao-valcer-pa-kolce


J-Kath Says:

WB: Yep Nole does look thin. Perhaps the positive is that he seems able to bend and swing arms at will….elbow must be improving.


Van Persie Says:

Hi JK,

Do not know more than “News now” provided on Nole. Was also busy with private issues and Holliday, si, was not so very focussed, on what Nole did lately. Did red, he spended his time with the family.


Willow Says:

Wogboy as i say pot calling kettle black, youve insulted just about everybody here at one time or another, and you have cheek to lecture me, go ahead if you like i dont care, even Skeezer at the time picked up on the wanker comment, and im not lying i just forget people do sometimes you know, have to ask are you permenantly on your man period ? ….


Tony N Says:

t4t: “Poor Tony N is disappointed there are no pictures! ?Ha ha!”
Giles: “Toni N. Do you really want ” proof” of the fedfans kissing his poster? That’s gross. Just as well there isn’t any”

This just proves that you both are willing to believe unverified stuff posted by clowns who don’t provide evidence. What’s gross is Giles caught kissing Rafa…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG0ThC4TSoQ


J-Kath Says:

Hi back to you too VP – good to “see” U again.


Tony N Says:

chrisford1: “no one really cares to much about..You can’t compare the points in 2006, in a weak era, to the high competition era of Rafa and Nole faced, all throughout their careers.”

You are obviously the “no one” who really cares so much about it that you replied. So my post is for you (read only if you are not interested)

2006 was not a weak era when Nadal was year-end No. 2 with 4,470 points (approx. over 8,500 points using today’s ranking points formula ), which would have been enough to make him No. 1 in many years before the Federer era. If 2006 was a weak era then Nadal must have been a weak players for getting only half the number of points as Roger did: No. 1 Federer had 8,370 ranking points (over 16,500 points using today’s ranking points formula).

Your weak era argument has been debunked by using the same standards to explain Nadal’s dominance on clay. Read the article “The Weak Era Argument” by Gaurav Sood. The author provocatively questioned: “Allow me to say something blasphemous. Nadal isn’t the greatest clay court player ever to have played the sport. Sacrilege, right? But how could he be the greatest clay court player ever, when his opposition for ten years has included just one grand slam winner on clay? All this serves to indicate is that the competition during his era happened to be a bunch of players who turned flat-footed on the sight of the red dirt… What could explain such unprecedented dominance over a particular surface and at a particular venue?… The answer’s much simpler than that obviously. It could all be attributed to one ingenuous fact — A weak clay court era!!”

Read “Roger Federer’s ‘weak era’? Even Rafael Nadal knows it never existed”
http://www.oregonlive.com/the-spin-of-the-ball/index.ssf/2014/10/the_roger_federer_and_rafael_n.html

Also search for and read the article: “Is Rafael Nadal the best because Roger Federer comes from a weak era?” as well as the article “Roger Federer and the myth of the ‘weak era’ “ both by Douglas Perry.

Both Nadal and Djokovic achieved their greatest success since 2008 under lighter ATP tournament conditions. After 2007, all ATP tournaments no longer had best-of-five set matches in the finals and the top seeded players were given a first round bye. So Federer had played the 2006 season under tougher conditions: Federer played an average of about 6 matches per tournament (97 total matches: 92-5 win-loss) over his 17 ATP tournaments, not including a Davis Cup tie. First, in 2006 Federer played an additional seven more best-of-five set matches (than he would have played today) because several tournaments he played outside the Grand Slams had best-of-five set finals: Basel (final), Indian Wells (final), Miami (final), Monte Carlo Masters (final), Rome Masters (final), Madrid Indoor Masters (final), ATP World Tour Finals final (Tennis Masters Cup), Davis Cup, Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon, US Open. Second, in 2006 Federer played an extra four rounds of matches (than he would have today) because several tournaments he played did not give a first round bye to the top seeds: Monte Carlo Masters R64, Rome Masters R64, Canada Masters R64, Cincinnati Masters R64.

If Federer’s generation of players was such a ‘weak era’, then the fact that many second-tier and third-tier players from Federer’s ‘weak era’ are still succeeding today must make today’s era an even ‘WEAKER era’. Take a look at where Federer’s 2006 second and third tier players are today (most have beaten Nadal and/or Djokovic in their careers):
38-year old Ivo Karlovic is around No. 20 in recent years from year-end No. 98 in 2006 (he has a 2-1 winning record over Djokovic).
36-year old Juergen Melzer is No 149 today from year-end No. 41 in 2006 (he has wins over Nadal and Djokovic).
35-year old David Ferrer is No. 31 today… probably will be No. 24 or 25 tomorrow… from year-end No. 14 in 2006 (he has 6 wins over Nadal and 5 wins over Djokovic; his record against Federer: 0-17).
35-year old Feliciano Lopez is No. 34 today and No. 12 came in 2015 from year-end No. 79 in 2006 (he has 4 wins over Nadal and 1 win over Djokovic; his record against Federer: 0-12).
35-year old Mikhail Youzhny is No. 93 today from year-end No. 24 in 2006 (he has 4 wins over Nadal and 3 wins over Djokovic; his record against Federer: 0-16).
35-year old Julien Benneteau is No. 96 today from year-end No. 40 in 2006 (he has wins over Nadal and Djokovic).
35-year old Nicolas Mahut is No. 106 today from year-end No. 66 in 2006 (he has a win over Nadal; his record against Federer: 0-4).
34-year old Gilles Muller has improved to No. 22 today from year-end No. 105 in 2006 (he has 2 wins over Nadal, and beat Alex Zverev and Sam Querrey in recent months; his record against Federer: 0-5).
34-year old Yen Hsun Lu has improved to No. 61 from year-end No. 89 in 2006.
33-year old Fernando Verdasco is still No. 40 today from year-end No. 35 in 2006 (he has 3 wins over Nadal and 4 wins over Djokovic; his record against Federer: 0-6).
33-year old Philipp Kohlscreiber has improved to No. 39 today from year-end No. 62 in 2006 (he has wins over Nadal and Djokovic; his record against Federer: 0-11).
33-year old Florian Mayer is still No. 62 today from year-end No. 56 in 2006 (he has beaten Nada; his record against Federer: 0-8).
33-year old Janko Tipsarevic is still No. 69 today from year-end No. 64 in 2006 (he twice beat Djokovic; he is 0-6 against Federer, and couldn’t even beat a mono-sick Fed in a 5 setter).
33-year old Andreas Seppi has improved to No. 44 today from year-end No. 74 in 2006 (he beat Kyrgios at this year’s Australian Open in a five setter).
32-year old Stan Wawrinka has improved to No. 4 today from year-end No. 30 in 2006 (he is 3-16 with Nadal and 5-19 with Djokovic; his record against Federer is worse: 3-20).
32-year old Gilles Simon has improved to No. 42 today from year-end No. 45 in 2006 (he has beaten both Nadal and Djokovic, and played Djokovic in a tough 3-6 6-3 5-7 at this year’s Monte Carlo).
32-year old Marcos Baghdatis is No. 72 today from year-end No. 12 in 2006 (he has beaten Nadal).
31-year old Tomas Berdych is still No. 15 today from year-end No. 13 in 2006 (he has 4 wins over Nadal and 3 wins over Djokovic; at this year’s Wimbledon, Berdych beat Djokovic and Thiem and also beat Raonic earlier this year).
31-year old Richard Gasquet is No. still 29 today from year-end No. 18 in 2006 (he has beaten Djokovic, and last week had 4 matchpoints against Alex Zverev).
31-year old Nicolas Almagro is No. 91 today from year-end No. 32 in 2006 (he has beaten Nadal and last year beat Kyrgios; he is 0-5 against Federer).
30-year old Gael Monfils has improved to No. 21 from year-end No. 46 in 2006 (he has twice beaten Nadal, and this year Nishikori).

Given what these 2006 players have done, if only the top tier players from Federer’s golden era might still be having some success today had they not prematurely retired after being frustrated by Federer.


Willow Says:

I Dont care whether Nadal got his 10 FOs, or 15 GS in a weak era, the point is he got them, much enjoyed the video of that fan kiss though lol ….


Giles Says:

Toni N alias Dave. You’ve been rumbled!


skeezer Says:

Tomy N,
Shamoon! Weake era debunked once again.
—–
t4t alias Hawkeye
Giles alias HR
WB alias Truth
margo alias……margo.


skeezer Says:

Krygios conitines to serve like this……game set match.


Wog Boy Says:

“..and im not lying i just forget people do sometimes you know..”

What did you forget, that you have strong opinion about the person that you don’t even know exists, Yolita?
Lying again, you are exposed and you keep digging yourself into bigger hole. Let me refresh your memory about what you said about the person you don’t remember existed just three weeks ago:

_______
Willow Says:
Madmax you like Novak more than i do theres the difference, although im not a hater, just not a fan ….

Giles that link from Yolita is from a very biased Novak fan the one that used to post here ….

July 28th, 2017 at 7:10 am
_________

You see, if you kept quiet you wouldn’t be exposed as a liar, we already knew you are hater even you said you are not, but it is not first time you said a lie, sorry, truth hurts.


J-Kath Says:

I like to pick my short stories not have them chosen for me by others.


t4t Says:

We always knew that Fedfans are a cult. I imagine they all have little shrines at home dedicated to their hero. Female fans french kissing Fed’s picture is gross and male fans wanting to look at those pictures is just as bad. Ugh!


Tony N Says:

t4t: We always knew your little shrine in your bedroom has this poster…
http://tinyurl.com/y6v2zk9p

skeezer: “Shamoon! Weak era debunked once again.”

Exactly, wise master

Giles: “You’ve been rumbled!”

Either you are unable/unwilling to understand what you read… or you immediately twist the truth, hoping others will misunderstand it :)

If you foist a principle to support one player’s titles, points and rankings, it would be a hypocritical double standard not to apply the same principle to all his rivals as well


t4t Says:

skeezer alias lucky cord
is obsessed with the weak era. Not surprising I suppose as his hero won 12 slams in the first weak era and two more now ( another weak era). Djokovic and Murray have been out of sorts and Nadal is not what he was pre 2015. Prime Fed could not beat Nadal but the 36 year old man can beat this Nadal who is clearly a shadow of his former self.
Fed fans feel the thrill of the return of the weak era which with cup cake draws and favorable scheduling can help their man pad his stats.


Willow Says:

Wogboy no need to make such a big issue when making your point, and i dont take too kindly to been called a liar either, as i say i just forgot, and you did say lets refresh your memory, which is fair enough, but calling somebody biased is not a personal attack on them its an observation, there are alot of biased fans on this forum, and im not a hater just because im not a Novak fan, jeez not everyone is, if you see me as a hater theres squat i can do about that, but thats you with a problem not me, really you would find an argument with anyone about anything, Okie, Danica, Margot, Jalep, BBB,i dont know maybe your intimidated by strong opinionated women, time to grow up, and lets just ignore each other from now on, by the way i did enjoy the Mrs Browns Boys link you put so thanks for that “PEACE” ….


Willow Says:

As cult fan bases go, i dont think any were as bad as the Novak fan base, although they all have their fair share ….


Tony N Says:

t4t: “Prime Fed could not beat Nadal”

Were you stuck inside a dark cave with no WiFi in 2006 and 2007?

Prime Federer had figured out how to beat Nadal on all surfaces during the 18-month period between July 2006 and December 2007 (see below), winning 5 out of 7 matches. Federer bageled Nadal twice – on clay and on grass. If not for Federer’s groin injury, Roger might have been able to beat Nadal at the 2007 French Open.
2007 World Tour Finals (Tennis Masters Cup) Semifinal Hard Roger Federer 64 61
2007 Wimbledon Final Grass Roger Federer 76 46 76 26 62
2007 Roland Garros Final Clay Rafael Nadal 63 46 63 64
2007 Hamburg Masters Final Clay Roger Federer 26 62 60 (yes, that’s a bagel on Nadal)
2007 Monte Carlo Masters Final Clay Rafael Nadal 64 64
2006 World Tour Finals (Tennis Masters Cup) Semifinal Hard Roger Federer 64 75
2006 Wimbledon Final Grass Roger Federer 60 76 67 63 (yes, that’s another bagel on Nadal)

Days after Federer thrashed Nadal in under an hour at the 2007 WTF, his distraught coach Uncle Toni claimed Nadal’s ‘injured’ foot will affect his playing career – two days later Nadal held a press conference with his doctor to deny his Uncle’s claims (see “Nadal is in perfect condition says his doctor” and also “Rafael Nadal’s doctor says the second-ranked Spaniard’s foot injury won’t affect his form”) – this injury soap opera was probably Team Nadal’s publicity stunt to downplay and make excuses for his losses to Federer… since we all know that (a) Nadal has gone on to become one of the top ten players in the Open Era who have played the most career matches and (b) none of Nadal’s many supposed injuries were serious enough to require surgery/operation.

Nadal was lucky that a bout of mononucleosis compromised Federer’s ability to play for the next 17 months allowing the pendulum to swing back to Nadal for their next 5 matches… until 2009 Madid, when Federer once again beat Nadal in straight sets on clay in his home tournament of Madrid. Nadal avoided playing Federer for the next year until Federer cooled off.

Roger Federer and the myth of the ‘weak era’
http://blog.oregonlive.com/tennis/2010/10/roger_federer_and_the_myth_of_the_weak_era.html


Tony N Says:

t4t: skeezer is obsessed with the weak era. Not surprising I suppose as his hero won 12 slams in the first weak era and two more now ( another weak era)”

Actually you’re the one obsessed with myths and weak eras.

Is Rafael Nadal the best because Roger Federer comes from a weak era?
http://www.oregonlive.com/the-spin-of-the-ball/index.ssf/2014/06/is_rafael_nadal_the_best_becau.html


skeezer Says:

Re; 1:01 post.
I counted 6 excuses in that post.


Willow Says:

I Might be alone in thinking that alot of these arguments about weak eras are pointless, and dont make much sense anyway ! ….

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